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Mount & Blade Warband: Napoleonic Wars => Released Modifications => North & South: First Manassas => Topic started by: Colonel Francis on May 12, 2018, 01:49:18 am

Title: Update?
Post by: Colonel Francis on May 12, 2018, 01:49:18 am
I think it’s safe to say that everyone that still remains in North South, conducting events and leading regiments, are really wanting an update. Especially since Napoleonic Wars just recently got an update. As the North South Communities struggle to get a sliver of attendance (North Americans especially), a small update that just enables some of the newer features in NW would really come a long way.

Some of the various leaders in North and South have spoken with Hinkel, the main developer of North and South, the response is none. I myself have sent a message to Hinkel to update the mod. Expressing to him that doing so will result in bigger advertisement for War of Rights, and giving a hand to the communities that have remained here (Dixieland Army, Confederate States Army, and Union Brigade). But I have been ignored as well.

This isn’t throwing shade at Hinkel. Whom I know is extremely busy with War of Rights. But I know that various developers from several mods are happy just to do an update North and South. To continue its progress. To give some sort of relief to the people who haven’t jumped ship for Holdfast, War of Rights, or Post Scriptum. I know that eventually Warband will die until Bannerlord comes out (whenever that is), or Battle Cry of Freedom, but hosting events with an average of 50 to 100 people isn’t a relief.

I'm posting this to bring some sort of awareness to this mod. Or perhaps some attention to it. For the people that remained, would certainly be happy to have some sort of new content.

I would love to hear out some people’s opinion on it
Title: Re: Update?
Post by: Duke Of LongTree on May 12, 2018, 02:58:10 am
would be nice
Title: Re: Update?
Post by: Lilja Mariasdóttir on May 12, 2018, 03:37:51 pm
I have a patch pretty much ready since end of 2016.
The other Devs wanted to add stuff aswell, so I was told to wait.
This mod is not mine, and I cant publish the patch without permission.
If the DA leaders want a patch and Hinkel gives me green light, I can either
- Publish the old patch
or
- In my next free time, mid of august, come together with the officers of the DA and make a wishlist and then make a new patch out of the old patch.

However, this needs approval of Hinkel, as I wont update the Mod against his will.
Title: Re: Update?
Post by: Colonel Francis on May 12, 2018, 06:11:25 pm
I have a patch pretty much ready since end of 2016.
The other Devs wanted to add stuff aswell, so I was told to wait.
This mod is not mine, and I cant publish the patch without permission.
If the DA leaders want a patch and Hinkel gives me green light, I can either
- Publish the old patch
or
- In my next free time, mid of august, come together with the officers of the DA and make a wishlist and then make a new patch out of the old patch.

However, this needs approval of Hinkel, as I wont update the Mod against his will.

You see, this is a lifeline we have been needing for such a long time. I'm sure Hinkel wouldn't mind doing it if it's already made. I have already have a list. I know the DA has one, but if you can't recall, the NAs broke off from the DA and now we are the CSA. So the regiments I have, all have ideas on what to improve of. I can add you on steam and tell you. But this is such good news!
Title: Re: Update?
Post by: Lilja Mariasdóttir on May 12, 2018, 06:55:04 pm
I did not know, that the DA split up. In case of a new patch, we would of course take them on board aswell.
Title: Re: Update?
Post by: Duke Of LongTree on May 12, 2018, 11:44:06 pm
if the CSA supports we will stand by are NA friends and use it as well
Title: Re: Update?
Post by: Robert Ransom on May 14, 2018, 09:03:15 pm
Coming from a guy on the outside, I think updates should be regular and necessary, especially with the new NW stuff!
Title: Re: Update?
Post by: Hinkel on May 16, 2018, 12:19:23 pm
Hey guys,

I recieved your requests and messages, but I am really busy with some bad real-life stuff.
So I did not want to ignore your requests or upset you.

I do like the idea to make a new patch and like Kanade said, we have a patch "ready" since 2016, but we never finished it or combined all made parts (I even have a nearly complate Alamo mod ready since early 2017 with Texans, Mexicans, Native Americans and such).

I don't know how much time it would need, to add the new source code parts and features into the chaotic NaS source code, since its based on the source code of the very first release version of NW.

I will get in touch with Kanade and Parrot, maybe there could be a final version of North and South soon or later this year. But I don't know, how much stuff I am able to bring into this patch, due to real-life and War of Rights.

Cheers,
Hinkel
Title: Re: Update?
Post by: Freestyler on May 16, 2018, 03:54:55 pm
I think that does not need a patch


keep developing war of rights:)
Title: Re: Update?
Post by: Duke Of LongTree on May 16, 2018, 05:15:24 pm
I think that does not need a patch


keep developing war of rights:)

North and south is better than war of rights I ask papa parrot even though he was working with marks on the new whigs and tories
Title: Re: Update?
Post by: Dazzer on May 17, 2018, 07:28:11 pm
I was thinking if adding new musket stances would be possible (like order arms, shoulder shift arms etc...), though it would be useless, it would look cool  :) maybe adding a new regiment or two, maybe borrowing community made ones
Title: Re: Update?
Post by: Colonel Francis on May 18, 2018, 08:07:33 am
Just a few new changes. Adding the new NW update features would be nice on the admin aspect. But new regiments, new community maps, bug issues (not a few anyways)...just something to by the time until War of Rights, Bannerlord, Battle Cry of Freedom...something finishes.
Title: Re: Update?
Post by: Killobytes on May 21, 2018, 11:48:10 am
It would be very nice to at least have the new Nap Wars features in the mod. It's gonna be a while before any of the new games like this come out, so we might as well keep NaS alive & well, and give a reason for Nap Wars players to try this mod out again.
You may all find it to be a refreshing change to the usual European conflict.  :)
Title: Re: Update?
Post by: Duke Of LongTree on May 25, 2018, 06:18:09 am
I have a patch pretty much ready since end of 2016.
The other Devs wanted to add stuff aswell, so I was told to wait.
This mod is not mine, and I cant publish the patch without permission.
If the DA leaders want a patch and Hinkel gives me green light, I can either
- Publish the old patch
or
- In my next free time, mid of august, come together with the officers of the DA and make a wishlist and then make a new patch out of the old patch.

However, this needs approval of Hinkel, as I wont update the Mod against his will.

Can we have the patch now
Title: Re: Update?
Post by: Colonel Francis on May 25, 2018, 08:05:52 am
What harm would it cause to release the already made patch? Have that be the grounds for releasing more mature update. 
Title: Re: Update?
Post by: Moraine on May 27, 2018, 01:29:39 am
I have a patch pretty much ready since end of 2016.
The other Devs wanted to add stuff aswell, so I was told to wait.
This mod is not mine, and I cant publish the patch without permission.
If the DA leaders want a patch and Hinkel gives me green light, I can either
- Publish the old patch
or
- In my next free time, mid of august, come together with the officers of the DA and make a wishlist and then make a new patch out of the old patch.

However, this needs approval of Hinkel, as I wont update the Mod against his will.
Angel beats is such a good anime
Title: Re: Update?
Post by: Andersun on May 29, 2018, 01:03:57 am
NaS is in serious need of an update. A community that has run several years actively on a mod that is in poor connection with its devs is an endeavor. North and South still has its good moments, even after being here for over 3 years, but with a lack of pretty much anything, it's in a sad state. It would be amazing to see it alive again, or at least have a developing team that would see the mod grow.
Title: Re: Update?
Post by: Parrot on May 29, 2018, 08:45:19 am
for an update we have three options:

- use the same module system: faster release and more time to focus on new content
- use the new NW module system: requires building the whole mod from scratch (the same thing i did for b&i 3 and is not a process i'd recommend)
- rebuild the mod on a stripped down version of the new b&i module: faster than rebuilding from scratch, you'll get all the cool b&i features like more field artillery and balanced gatling guns, plus that module system has already been tidied up by me and is aimed at making the mod sub-mod friendly

i'm very busy at the moment, and i'm not too sure about doing anymore NW modding as i don't see the point with the ever decreasing population size
Title: Re: Update?
Post by: Duke Of LongTree on May 29, 2018, 03:21:50 pm
Keep the old system we just want new content
Title: Re: Update?
Post by: Moraine on May 29, 2018, 10:18:57 pm
Can we remove bleeding as a mechanic
Title: Re: Update?
Post by: Colonel Francis on May 31, 2018, 07:39:59 am
Pretty sure the whole end game isn't to gain a new mod. As Duke said, just new content. Maps...uniforms....maybe sounds? But nothing like a new melee system or changing the base for it. Yes population size it small. But there still remains a dedicated core of two communities playing this mod. If current devs are not interested, then why not pass the torch to those are who interested. Hinkel is off on War of Rights. Completely left behind a mod that support and outright made his game.
Title: Re: Update?
Post by: Lilja Mariasdóttir on May 31, 2018, 12:35:26 pm
Maps...uniforms....maybe sounds?
Maps can always be added by anyone, as those get downloaded by the client on the server.
And as I am no artist, I cant create any uniforms and stuff. But if there are communitycontributed uniforms with the same quality as the existing, those can of course be added by me.
Title: Re: Update?
Post by: Duke Of LongTree on May 31, 2018, 05:39:49 pm
I know there was a lot of special content in the 1.0 version maybe you could add all that back for us to use
Title: Re: Update?
Post by: Colonel Francis on June 01, 2018, 07:38:36 am
Tons of uniforms made by community members. If you could utilize those cool uniforms and maybe the gentlemen behind making them, there could be numerous new regiments to be made. And it looks really nice to have community based content in the mod. As for maps, there are various community maps, but none compared to the official attention and detail the preset maps in North and South have. Maybe one or two more would be awesome. New sounds are just a general suggestion, ACW, and other Empire/Napoleon Total war mods have nice sounds. Lot of small things that can be implemented. Again, nothing major has to be done. But just something to energize the worn out regiments.  ;D
Title: Re: Update?
Post by: Dazzer on June 01, 2018, 09:23:29 am
It just happens so that recently I've decided to make some reskins for N&S. Here are some samples, 55th NY and 11th IN. Shameful advertising, I know  :P

Spoiler
(https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/912421431247558688/22D5D1D7DDAA301F404FE33283A2CF7D3D620CDB/)
(https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/914673891442906721/C40257E3205F890239E4B4DDFC1AB7A9EF232B53/)
[close]
Next up im planning 41st NY (De Kalb regiment), Confederate Regulars and maybe some other interesting looking units I can find, even though most of them were already done...
Anyways, if you guys feel like they are good enough to be presented in the mod, I'd be willing to donate them ^_^ , that is, if you are even planning to add new units. Although I realize there are more better looking skins than mine
Title: Re: Update?
Post by: Colonel Francis on June 02, 2018, 12:09:34 am
It just happens so that recently I've decided to make some reskins for N&S. Here are some samples, 55th NY and 11th IN. Shameful advertising, I know  :P

Spoiler
(https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/912421431247558688/22D5D1D7DDAA301F404FE33283A2CF7D3D620CDB/)
(https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/914673891442906721/C40257E3205F890239E4B4DDFC1AB7A9EF232B53/)
[close]
Next up im planning 41st NY (De Kalb regiment), Confederate Regulars and maybe some other interesting looking units I can find, even though most of them were already done...
Anyways, if you guys feel like they are good enough to be presented in the mod, I'd be willing to donate them ^_^ , that is, if you are even planning to add new units. Although I realize there are more better looking skins than mine

Just a great example of those who have good uniforms. Ton of other people who have made special regiments that are really nice looking.
Title: Re: Update?
Post by: Colonel Francis on July 01, 2018, 10:38:21 pm
What if the other members of the developing team continued to create and add content to this half made update? I've spoken to the majority of them whom seemed to be distressed by the fact that their hands are tied?
Title: Re: Update?
Post by: Playingcard on July 01, 2018, 10:54:37 pm
Defnatly a good idea keep us in touch
Title: Re: Update?
Post by: Killobytes on July 02, 2018, 01:32:33 am
The most important thing I think is to us on par with NW in terms of admin tools.
Functions like spawn & revive are extremely useful to have for line battles.
On top of that, I think doing away with bleeding would be a nice touch, it's just a nuisance for everyone.
Title: Re: Update?
Post by: Moraine on July 03, 2018, 12:39:00 am
Can we remove bleeding as a mechanic
Title: Re: Update?
Post by: Colonel Francis on July 03, 2018, 12:47:32 am
Can we remove bleeding as a mechanic

Healing system in NW is pretty neat to add. Kinda gives officer the choice of bringing a surgeon or not. Unlike NaS where I literally have to bring enough NCOs to make sure we have enough bandages.
Title: Re: Update?
Post by: Dredd on August 05, 2018, 04:08:25 am
It'll be nice to have an update to get the newest content to NaS
Title: Re: Update?
Post by: Ben H. Phillips on August 06, 2018, 10:26:48 pm
It'll be nice to have an update to get the newest content to NaS

Agreed