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Title: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Volk on September 06, 2016, 02:42:26 am
T-B-D
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread)
Post by: BabyJesus on September 06, 2016, 02:43:19 am
Hype?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread)
Post by: DoctorWarband on September 06, 2016, 10:12:52 am
Hype!
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread)
Post by: Bravescot on September 06, 2016, 03:10:24 pm
Hype?
No
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread)
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on September 06, 2016, 04:33:33 pm
Hype?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread)
Post by: Emperor Napoleon on September 06, 2016, 09:54:12 pm
hype
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread)
Post by: DoctorWarband on September 06, 2016, 10:36:44 pm
Question: will these be the only nations available to play?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread)
Post by: BabyJesus on September 06, 2016, 10:52:34 pm
Question: will these be the only nations available to play?
i think those are just the nations that get special bonuses
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread)
Post by: Volk on September 06, 2016, 10:56:17 pm
Question: will these be the only nations available to play?
i think those are just the nations that get special bonuses
These are just the nations I had time to write down between closing the poll & going to bed. There'll be more, I just need to work on it.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread)
Post by: BabyJesus on September 06, 2016, 10:57:43 pm
O ok.

So can I be the Pope?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread)
Post by: Volk on September 06, 2016, 11:06:43 pm
O ok.

So can I be the Pope?
Papal States will be playable; I don't know, can you?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread)
Post by: Raddeo on September 06, 2016, 11:13:14 pm
Question: will these be the only nations available to play?

Hmm... what nations? Am I not able to see something what everybody else can see?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread)
Post by: Volk on September 06, 2016, 11:26:27 pm
Question: will these be the only nations available to play?

Hmm... what nations? Am I not able to see something what everybody else can see?
Check the BoP: Napoleonic Wars game thread (https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?topic=33199.0)

Edit: I'm still looking for someone to make a header for the game as well as a map.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread)
Post by: Volk on September 07, 2016, 12:36:15 am
Oh my god. We're all idiots.  :o

That "lake" in Montenegro that all of our old maps had isn't a lake at all. It's Montenegro itself. When the Ottomans owned the Balkans "Montenegro" was still their vassal, though at that time the only land the Prince/Duke/Count/whatever of Montenegro owned was that one "lake" looking province in the middle of what should be modern day Montenegro. None of us ever realized that it was just a map artifact from having to copy over maps and editing them for different time periods.

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(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/Montenegro_territory_expanded_%281830-1944%29.png/1280px-Montenegro_territory_expanded_%281830-1944%29.png)
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Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread)
Post by: Furrnox on September 07, 2016, 01:28:34 am
This is supposed to be a map from 1803.

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(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.alternatehistory.com%2Flib%2Fexe%2Ffetch.php%3Fmedia%3Dresources%3A1803.png&hash=bd67f4f3fe7fee0e0ff1ef4e67f5dcfaf927a8b7)
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Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread)
Post by: Volk on September 07, 2016, 02:41:53 am
So I've done the first (VERY) rough draft of the game map. I simply took the old BoP 1914 map and edited it heavily (which is why you can see the massive splotch of "Empire of Germany" color where the HRE states should be.

It should be obvious that this is not the complete version. I edited the areas I knew by heart or where I could edit with faith in my knowledge of the region. There are multiple areas of contention that I admit I am not knowledgeable enough to edit, and so I need your help. I would like help with:

-The German States (The HRE is the most confusing thing I've ever seen. Enclaves within enclaves within exclaves, counties here here and there, etc etc. I've done Baden, Bavaria, East Frisia, French Hanover (technically British Hanover but occupied by French) Mecklenburg, Oldenburg, Saxony, and Wurttemberg to the best of my knowledge, however feel free to correct any mistakes or make your own corrections to the area. I admit ignorance of the HRE.)
-North Italy (I think I've done a decent job getting the basic borders of the region, mainly Kingdom of Italy, Papal States, and Etruria. However, I am also not particularly confident in the region so please do me a favor and look it over. If you spot a province belonging to the wrong Italian state please let me know.)
-Egypt (I'm not sure at all about Egypt. Is it British? Is it French? Is it Ottoman? Mameluke? All of the above?)
-Partitioned Poland (I think I got it right. However, the borders are not as rigid as this province map mode, so please give it a look over.)

All help is appreciated. Here is first rough draft:
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(https://i.imgur.com/lYc0aFq.png)
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Shoot, I forgot Luxembourg is French territory.

Edit: I've also tweaked the colors ever so slightly to better differentiate between nations as well as just look slightly better. Some are almost unnoticeable while others are very noticeable (Russia, Prussia, Sweden etc).

Edit Edit: I've also decided on the first possible start date of the game, which is January of 1804. Napoleon has just crowned himself emperor in December of 1803, which should give people time to prepare stuff and react to the news. It also would give me time to instigate a few historical things with France, including the execution of the Duke of Enghien, which should also give you all something to react to and which should, rp and history wise, should push the monarchies of Europe to begin hostilities against France. I've also come up with the idea of the game moving in either blocks of 3 months (which I prefer) to allow a Winter, Spring, Summer, and Fall turn, or in blocks of 4 months.

Please discuss.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread)
Post by: DoctorWarband on September 07, 2016, 11:56:37 am
I agree on the 3 months thing. It should have various bonuses and penalties to each season. Like for example winter gives more attrition and you will not be able to raise troops.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread)
Post by: Nick Lazanis on September 07, 2016, 01:02:47 pm
Hype?

Ja
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread)
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on September 07, 2016, 04:29:20 pm
North Africa and Egypt both belonged to the Ottomans at this point. And I also think that Etruria should be owned by the Spanish Empire. Other than that, I think that map looks good for a very rough draft - you might have to change the sizes and shapes of some provinces to make it resemble the map that Furrnox just provided.

Also I think that 3 months is a better round period. That's exactly what I was thinking too. Hopefully with 3 months per round we will finish a BoP.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread)
Post by: Vald on September 07, 2016, 04:36:54 pm
North Africa and Egypt both belonged to the Ottomans at this point. And I also think that Etruria should be owned by the Spanish Empire. Other than that, I think that map looks good for a very rough draft - you might have to change the sizes and shapes of some provinces to make it resemble the map that Furrnox just provided.

Also I think that 3 months is a better round period. That's exactly what I was thinking too. Hopefully with 3 months per round we will finish a BoP.

Egypt was having a civil war between the Egyptian Mameluks who wanted independence and Ottoman Turks who wanted to bring it back under control of the Empire so its kinda hard to say who it should belong to.
Personally i think it would fit more if Egypt was a puppet state of the Ottomans.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread)
Post by: Raddeo on September 07, 2016, 08:14:08 pm
Concerning Poland, borders should be a little different. Border between Russia and Prussia should lay on the Neman river just west of the Vilnius and Trakai. Also Austrian-Prussian border should be changed a little, as Warsaw was taken by Prussians during Partitions. I believe it should look rather like this:
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(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.tinypic.pl%2Fi%2F00818%2Fxsrot4ur21t6.png&hash=f2cceff3bca2ff01603e95885ba8c1ae0170b579)
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And if we're talking about Poland already. I know it's not on the list but will it be playable in any way? It's true that it didn't appear on the map until 1807, but even before that date Poles were quite active during the war (for example as Dąbrowski Legions). Also it would be a shame to totally wipe them from the history of our game :(
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread)
Post by: Volk on September 07, 2016, 08:45:59 pm
I've edited map as best I can so far without cutting provinces apart. I still need help with the HRE area so if anybody has an idea of the borders of Hesse-Kessel, Prussian lands in the region, etc pls help.


And if we're talking about Poland already. I know it's not on the list
If it's not on the list, it's not playable. If it is on the list, it is playable.* If you want something not on the list to become playable, ask France to make it playable (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaties_of_Tilsit).  ;)

*Unless it's a client state/a state owned personally by Napoleon, ie (Kingdom of Italy - King Napoleon Bonaparte) Then it's still technically playable but... you know, Napoleon.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread)
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on September 07, 2016, 09:21:11 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/s6Ds7JO.png)

So I  made a few changes to the map... I'll start with north italy. The Ligurian Republic (above Corsica) was an independent but satellite state of France. I also gave France another province to make it resemble the map more. Also, the Spanish Empire controlled Etruria at this point and Sicily and Naples were in a union, Kingdom of the Two Sicilies, the purple one. Now in Germany, the Swedish ruled over parts of Pomerania until 1815 and Mecklenburg was made bigger. Also, I gave Austria another province next to Montenegro, as they historically ruled over this. Meanwhile, I have also expanded the French as they controlled huge parts of the Rhineland, much further than Alsace-Lorainne.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread)
Post by: Nick Lazanis on September 08, 2016, 01:16:00 am
Nice work :)
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread)
Post by: Furrnox on September 08, 2016, 01:22:16 am
I'm not sure if that blue stuff inside of Germany is French or not with that color (it's supposed to be independent), also Prussia had enclaves inside of Germany. Other than that it looks mostly correct since we don't seem to be doing the smallest German states.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread)
Post by: BabyJesus on September 08, 2016, 01:23:37 am
I'm not sure if that blue stuff inside of Germany is French or not with that color (it's supposed to be independent), also Prussia had enclaves inside of Germany. Other than that it looks mostly correct since we don't seem to be doing the smallest German states.
i think Volk asked people to help her with the smaller German states because she didn't really know where all of them go
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread)
Post by: Volk on September 08, 2016, 02:01:58 am
Here is rough draft 2 of the BoP map. I've edited according to input from you all in both this thread and my PM's. Some things I still need help with, mainly HRE (welp). Most of the map has been resolved though. I advise you all take a look at this and see if you spot either any artifacts from the BoP 1914 map (Dead pixels, pixels colored a different color etc) or any mistakes. (HRE, Italy, etc)

I've kept some things unchanged because of reasons in-game, they're easier for me as a GM, or they're just not worth the effort to change them (Looking at you "Barbary States". Absolutely useless, didn't even do a damn thing in these wars.)
Map Draft 2
(https://i.imgur.com/MyqaGmm.png)
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Change List
-Made  Batavian Republic more ORANGE
-Changed some nations' colors to better differentiate between each other (Italy made lighter, Russia made darker and greener, Portugal color made slightly less grey, Spain and Papal States colors made more unique, etc)
-Added Ligurian Republic (annexed by France later)
-Added Electorate of Salzburg
-Added Swedish Pomerania
-Added Mecklenburg-Strelitz
-Added Prussian... whatever that land is called. (Westphalia? Rhine? The land stretching from East Frisia down the border of Batavian Republic.
-Flipped 1 border province from Russia to Prussia
-Removed map artifacts from BoP 1914
-Extended France's Rhineland border

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I'm not sure if that blue stuff inside of Germany is French or not with that color (it's supposed to be independent)

It was occupied in 1803 by the French, though no formal treaty between France and GB ever came about so it is technically not France's but Great Britain's. For our purposes it's French (unless GB decides to reclaim it?).

Map is going well, however once again I admit ignorance of the HRE. I know there's Hesse Kessel & Prussian enclaves somewhere in that "Germany" region, however because the HRE is such a fuckfest of enclaves and exclaves I am not confident enough to really put down provinces there. Once again if you see an error point it out, specifically in Germany if possible.

Also, does anybody know if East Frisia was independent or not? When I looked through books the only mention I found of East Frisia was that it was annexed by Prussia in the late 1700's right before the Revolution. Also I think the Prussian enclave should be bigger but I'm not confident enough to make it so.

Also I think I might start opening up reservations once I finalize a few things. I would like to add some country modifiers before players start picking their nations so I can be fair in judgement. My only request for when I open up reservations is that the non-France client states be picked first (that means avoid Switzerland, Ligurian Republic, Batavian Republic possibly, the Republic of Italy possibly); preferably I'd like the major nations picked first and then the smaller but important states picked next (Bavaria, Portugal, Baden, Wurttemburg, Saxony, Denmark-Norway, Sweden etc).

Thanks for help in advance.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread)
Post by: BabyJesus on September 08, 2016, 02:06:51 am
i am going to reserve France and Russia and great britain and austira and prussia
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread)
Post by: Volk on September 08, 2016, 03:24:25 am
Just a heads up, I hope to get the game ready to play by this Sunday/Monday. However, if work permits I might be able to have the BoP ready by the weekend or even Friday.

Edit: Sometime next week appears to be what my work schedule will allow. Since I do not want you all to just simply sit here doing nothing however I am going to let you all reserve your nations. There is a list of priority which will detail which nations I would like taken first & which ones I'd like people to avoid.

Nation Reservation Priority List

1. All of the major nations.
2. Coalition Nations: Naples-Sicily, Kingdom of Sweden
3. Major minor nations: Kingdom of Denmark-Norway, Kingdom of Etruria, Kingdom of Portugal, Papal States, Kingdom of Sardinia
4. French German allies (Be warned, these nations may be annexed and form the Confederation of the Rhine): Electorate of Baden, Electorate of Wurttemberg, Electorate of Bavaria, Electorate of Saxony, Hesse-Kessel
5. French Client States (I'd prefer people not to play these, specifically Italy, because they are almost always annexed by France) : Batavian Republic, Swiss Confederation, Republic of Italy, Ligurian Republic

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Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Furrnox on September 08, 2016, 04:04:58 am
France pretty please.

Also so you decided to make the Barbary states independent even though their sort of part of the Ottoman Empire?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Raddeo on September 08, 2016, 05:51:34 am
I'd try Russian Empire then.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: DoctorWarband on September 08, 2016, 06:09:47 am
UK. Please. 
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 08, 2016, 07:16:18 am
I'm thinking about being Sweeden or Naples but I want to do some research cuz what is Napoleonic wars?

Edit: I'll take Sweden
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on September 08, 2016, 08:47:48 am
Prussia
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Volk on September 08, 2016, 06:49:59 pm

Also so you decided to make the Barbary states independent even though their sort of part of the Ottoman Empire?
Mhm. They kind of did their own thing (mainly get rekt by the Americans & raid a bit) out of sync with whatever Europe or even the Ottomans were doing. They'll still be vassal of Ottomans though.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 08, 2016, 07:32:44 pm
I think Napoleon should be France for obvious reasons :P
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Volk on September 08, 2016, 08:14:10 pm
Caz says he wants Austria. If anybody has any conflicts with it talk to Caz. Same for every person who Rsv'd; if you want the same country too, discuss it or pick a new one.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Emperor Napoleon on September 08, 2016, 09:37:01 pm
Damnit Furrnox.........

I guess Ill go Ottomans then....
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Ted on September 08, 2016, 09:44:17 pm
Damn McLovin taking mu beloved Prussia....

Bavaria!
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on September 08, 2016, 09:57:24 pm
Damn McLovin taking mu beloved Prussia....

Bavaria!

Well my beloved UK was taken
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 08, 2016, 10:08:28 pm
Can one my beloved America?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Superbad on September 08, 2016, 10:16:28 pm
Can one my beloved America?

Make America great again.

I'll sit out on this one, I'll wait for a Medieval one :P
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Volk on September 08, 2016, 10:59:16 pm
Updated list - Not permanent yet.

We still need a Portugal, a Denmark-Norway, a Spain, & a Naples-Sicily player to complete the basic map.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: DoctorWarband on September 09, 2016, 10:21:14 am
Damn McLovin taking mu beloved Prussia....

Bavaria!

Well my beloved UK was taken
I can switch with you, but I want a country that is going to be easier to manage because of its size. You don't even understand how tough it is to play as a small nation like Belgium. Almost anyone can destroy them with 10% of their army deployed.
I can compromise, you just need to talk to me!
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Theodoor on September 09, 2016, 04:19:17 pm
I'd like to be Spain, if that's alright?

Pls no backstabbing Furrnox :c
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on September 09, 2016, 04:36:51 pm
So me and Warband have switched places.

To clarify, I play as UK and Warband plays Prussia.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on September 09, 2016, 05:02:43 pm
I'd like to be Spain, if that's alright?

Pls no backstabbing Furrnox :c

Well Spain is not yet France's satellite state  :P
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Commander Bondage on September 09, 2016, 05:18:03 pm
Ayy lmao
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Furrnox on September 09, 2016, 05:46:25 pm
I'd like to be Spain, if that's alright?

Pls no backstabbing Furrnox :c

It's okay just let me station 100k troops in your country.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 09, 2016, 06:04:16 pm
France is weak. Sweden is strong.
France is weak. Sweden is strong.
France is weak. Sweden is strong.
France is weak. Sweden is strong.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 09, 2016, 06:21:50 pm
Really we just need a Naples player. I'm gonna take over Denmark right away do their irrelevant
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Superbad on September 09, 2016, 06:27:06 pm
I'd like to be Spain, if that's alright?

Pls no backstabbing Furrnox :c

It's okay just let me station 100k troops in your country.

"station"
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on September 09, 2016, 06:51:18 pm
I'd like to be Spain, if that's alright?

Pls no backstabbing Furrnox :c

It's okay just let me station 100k troops in your country.

"station"

What do you mean?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Furrnox on September 09, 2016, 07:30:56 pm
In 1803 Spain and France where allied but as Spain keept shifting sides the French and some Spaniards made a  popular coupe (since even the people where tired of the king) in favor of his son however Napoleon did not trust the new king and installed his brother instead and since Napoleon had about 100,000 troops in Spain at the time, the people couldn't do much other than protest until they started their guerrilla warfare that is.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Commander Bondage on September 09, 2016, 07:43:33 pm
What countries are available rn?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: DoctorWarband on September 09, 2016, 08:31:21 pm
What countries are available rn?
Look at the list you fucking nub
 :-*
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 09, 2016, 09:10:14 pm
What countries are available rn?
Naples Denmark and Portugal
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Volk on September 09, 2016, 09:29:35 pm
And the Pope!
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on September 09, 2016, 09:31:47 pm
Well we only need now Naples-Sicily, Papal States and Portugal players to begin.

By the way, will this feature a world map?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Commander Bondage on September 09, 2016, 09:51:32 pm
Naples it is
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 09, 2016, 09:54:03 pm
Well we only need now Naples-Sicily, Papal States and Portugal players to begin.

By the way, will this feature a world map?
we need a Denmark-Norway
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Furrnox on September 09, 2016, 10:14:24 pm
Naples it is

good luck  :-X
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Nick Lazanis on September 09, 2016, 10:47:08 pm
Denmark-Norway please.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Volk on September 09, 2016, 11:37:13 pm
Unless I counted incorrectly that means we have all the independent states done. Except Portugal & Papal States, with Portugal having the priority as Papal States were kinda like Napoleon's bitch as well.

Edit: Oh and Etruria. Which is sort of vassal of Spain because the queen regent and king are spaniards, but also vassal of France because... France. We could just leave Etruria as just another one of France's client states that they may/may not annex.

Edit Edit: We also still have Sardinia & a whole bunch of other minor nations available if people don't want to play a German state or are joining late.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Commander Bondage on September 10, 2016, 02:20:52 am
volk did you know the girl in your avatar cant poop because she doesnt have a mouth? So if she cant eat anything she cant poop. But then im also thinking that if she cant eat then she's not gonna be alive for much longer now. RIP
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Superbad on September 10, 2016, 02:52:45 am
volk did you know the girl in your avatar cant poop because she doesnt have a mouth? So if she cant eat anything she cant poop. But then im also thinking that if she cant eat then she's not gonna be alive for much longer now. RIP

She has a mouth if you look close enough, it's pretty much just a dot.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Commander Bondage on September 10, 2016, 03:19:28 am
volk did you know the girl in your avatar cant poop because she doesnt have a mouth? So if she cant eat anything she cant poop. But then im also thinking that if she cant eat then she's not gonna be alive for much longer now. RIP

She has a mouth if you look close enough, it's pretty much just a dot.
Oh, unfortunate. It looks like it was a birth defect. I dont think her mouth developed enough to be able to insert food in there. Maybe she survives off smoothies with a straw. That would explain her slim figure
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Windflower on September 10, 2016, 03:52:14 am
Can I be the Papal States

volk did you know the girl in your avatar cant poop because she doesnt have a mouth? So if she cant eat anything she cant poop. But then im also thinking that if she cant eat then she's not gonna be alive for much longer now. RIP

She has a mouth if you look close enough, it's pretty much just a dot.
Oh, unfortunate. It looks like it was a birth defect. I dont think her mouth developed enough to be able to insert food in there. Maybe she survives off smoothies with a straw. That would explain her slim figure
A good example would be like Arseface from Preacher
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 10, 2016, 04:18:59 am
Superbad said he would join as Portugal
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Superbad on September 10, 2016, 04:20:17 am
Superbad said he would join as Portugal

No I didn't, I'd get taken over in a heart beat. I'd be like Poland circa September 1939...
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 10, 2016, 04:33:37 am
Superbad said he would join as Portugal

No I didn't, I'd get taken over in a heart beat. I'd be like Poland circa September 1939...
lies i have screens to prove
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Commander Bondage on September 10, 2016, 04:33:50 am
VOLK'S INTO HOT BRASS DILDOS
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Superbad on September 10, 2016, 05:16:50 am
Superbad said he would join as Portugal

No I didn't, I'd get taken over in a heart beat. I'd be like Poland circa September 1939...
lies i have screens to prove

Oh, do ya now? I give you permission to post these "screens" lol
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 10, 2016, 05:44:03 am
Superbad said he would join as Portugal

No I didn't, I'd get taken over in a heart beat. I'd be like Poland circa September 1939...
lies i have screens to prove

Oh, do ya now? I give you permission to post these "screens" lol
(https://gyazo.com/d183c5483721d756cc13d7f8dcac691d.png)
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Superbad on September 10, 2016, 05:46:26 am
The notepad literally says "SuperbadIV"...

but...

seems...

legit...
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 10, 2016, 05:50:03 am
The notepad literally says "SuperbadIV"...

but...

seems...

legit...
you literally just cahnged your name
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Volk on September 10, 2016, 06:19:13 am
So I have a question for you all and it's really important. The last time we did a BoP, BoP 1914, I told you all to research your own countries to see what you could find about armies, navies etc & use that to guide you all regarding how you did war. I did that then because the armies were so large, the countries so innumerable, and the information so vague or non-existent for certain countries or groups that it was hard for me to tell you confidently "you can raise this many men".

However, we are in the weird situation where all of us (except for a few *Cough Cough* Baby J) have studied, learned, read about and explored the Napoleonic Wars. I myself have an entire mini library of Napoleonic Wars books (my favorite rn being "The Napoleonic Wars: 1803-1815" by David Gates) not including the many many books & resources I can find in libraries and in Google Books as well as online. Theoretically, I could do research all of your nations and give you all a decent amount of detail in how big your armies were (peak and depending on the nation, by year & who composed it), the number of cavalry and guns you had at a certain point in history, etc etc. That's actually what I've started doing in the main BoP thread. However I must admit it is a lot of work having to comb through books and books and pages of stuff trying to find "The King of Bavaria left with all 22 thousand of his troops" & "By the time of the start of the war of the Third Coalition, Napoleon's Grande Armee comprised 194 thousand peronnel, with 396 guns, and of which 29 thousand were horsemen."

What do you guys think we should do? Should I continue to look for information and put it on the page for everyone to see to help you all figure out how big your armies are or should I let you all research your armies? Or should we work together and compile a mini database so that we all have a general idea of men to nation?

Work on the game is going well. I'm enjoying reading through my books again. I still need help with the map (HRE, Hesse-Kassel why are the borders so bad). The only system I would want is a system for battles. Everything else I'd like to have more Caz-Duuring style GM discretion instead of purely relying on abstract equations and number crunching for every little tiny thing. Then again, idk. I don't know what you guys want until you tell me. So please do. Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 10, 2016, 06:32:57 am
ill have you know that i read all teh wikipedia articles. so get rekt volkerino
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Salcos on September 10, 2016, 07:41:43 am
Can I be the papals? I'll be a good boy.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Ted on September 10, 2016, 08:19:54 am
I can help you with the troop numbers of German states if you want me to, the sources are in German though but I can give it to you in order to make sure noone gets mad ;) E. g. Bavaria had more troops then most of you have expected so far ayy lmao...
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Reznov on September 10, 2016, 09:23:06 am
I'll play as Barbary States. Won't do a whole lot....just raid and ransom people :^)
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Vald on September 10, 2016, 10:16:48 am
*snip
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Nick Lazanis on September 10, 2016, 11:06:47 am
Having helped Caz manage the game. I think the battle system was excellent,that's just my opinion though. I'd like to hear what everyone else thinks.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread)
Post by: Rhen on September 10, 2016, 02:20:19 pm
Map Draft 2
(https://i.imgur.com/MyqaGmm.png)
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Just thought I would help out with the map. The western territories that you have given to Prussia aren't the Westphalian areas that belonged to Prussia. Also, on the map, French Hannover's most Western province wasn't part French Hannover, and should be the province below instead. I am not sure, but I also don't remember Gibraltar being that "large" and Swedish Pomerania stretching that far inwards. The lands which I'm assuming belong to Oldenburg (?) also weren't that big. You should probably also cut the far most Northern and Eastern province of Saxony in two, and give the top part to Prussia. Bavaria also did not stretch that far west, but meh.

Anyway, I'm here to be the Pope. Gib Papal States.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Frederik on September 10, 2016, 03:07:07 pm
I would like to be saxony, if thats ok. They were not an puppetstate of napoleon in 1803 yet.
I could also help you with numbers for some german armies if you want.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Duuring on September 10, 2016, 03:44:29 pm
Are fortresses going to be a thing?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Volk on September 10, 2016, 04:51:34 pm
Are fortresses going to be a thing?
Elaborate?

Salcos to Papal States, Reznov to Barbary States (sigh), Vald to... snip, Frederik to Saxony. Sorry Rhen, Salcos reserved right before you. If you really want it go talk to him. If not then we still have Etruria & Portugal as well as some of the German states.

So should I stop gathering information or should I continue to gather information but just with your help as well? Regarding the army sizes. Also, navy. I can't seem to be able to find any reliable sources for navy stuff. Nowhere so far do any of my books say "Spain had X ships of the line, Y Frigates". So help with that would be great.

Edit: And Sardinia.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Rhen on September 10, 2016, 05:12:07 pm
I will settle with Württemberg, if they're available.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 10, 2016, 05:28:03 pm
I can help you with the troop numbers of German states if you want me to, the sources are in German though but I can give it to you in order to make sure noone gets mad ;) E. g. Bavaria had more troops then most of you have expected so far ayy lmao...
but not more than the legendary Sweden

I actually did a lot of reading about the Swedish army. Boy is this going to be interesting xD
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: DoctorWarband on September 10, 2016, 06:34:21 pm
Prussia really wasn't in a good state militarily.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Frederik on September 10, 2016, 06:40:41 pm
Prussia really wasn't in a good state militarily.
That's pretty much a myth, their soldiers were quite well trained and armed, the biggest problem was that their highest officers were quite old.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: DoctorWarband on September 10, 2016, 07:11:21 pm
Prussia really wasn't in a good state militarily.
That's pretty much a myth, their soldiers were quite well trained and armed, the biggest problem was that their highest officers were quite old.
They were quite small for their size though.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 10, 2016, 07:11:46 pm
Are fortresses going to be a thing?
Elaborate?

Salcos to Papal States, Reznov to Barbary States (sigh), Vald to... snip, Frederik to Saxony. Sorry Rhen, Salcos reserved right before you. If you really want it go talk to him. If not then we still have Etruria & Portugal as well as some of the German states.

So should I stop gathering information or should I continue to gather information but just with your help as well? Regarding the army sizes. Also, navy. I can't seem to be able to find any reliable sources for navy stuff. Nowhere so far do any of my books say "Spain had X ships of the line, Y Frigates". So help with that would be great.

Edit: And Sardinia.
Imo it's better if you find your own history and numbers. It makes the game more enjoyable. Obviously if you can't find anything about your country then you should ask for help

Also Ted Bavaria is bad. Only 33,000 troops. Who even cares if their some of the most highly trained soldiers in Germany
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on September 10, 2016, 07:16:48 pm
I have found statistics for British troops and their positions, unfortunately its from 1805.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Windflower on September 10, 2016, 09:54:06 pm
I asked to be the Papal States first but okay ... :'(
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Volk on September 10, 2016, 10:01:11 pm
I asked to be the Papal States first but okay ... :'(

 ??? You did?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Raddeo on September 10, 2016, 10:13:43 pm
Concerning research, I'm not at home this weekend, but I'll do my research about mother Russia as fast as possible after my return home. So I'm still alive ;)

Personally I think that it would be nice if you, Volk, could gather and post at least some basic numbers and informations for everyone to use. More detailed info (rather for role play use) players should of course find themselves, but some basic informations should be available for everyone to avoid situations when each player use different sources and number for the same things.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Windflower on September 10, 2016, 10:28:55 pm
I asked to be the Papal States first but okay ... :'(

 ??? You did?

Can I be the Papal States

It's fine though, Salcos can play the Papal Sates.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Emperor Napoleon on September 10, 2016, 10:45:24 pm
Concerning research, I'm not at home this weekend, but I'll do my research about mother Russia as fast as possible after my return home. So I'm still alive ;)

Personally I think that it would be nice if you, Volk, could gather and post at least some basic numbers and informations for everyone to use. More detailed info (rather for role play use) players should of course find themselves, but some basic informations should be available for everyone to avoid situations when each player use different sources and number for the same things.

Yea, some basic info would be nice. As he said, that way each player doesn't end up with a different number each time. Also, it means that we're all balanced out, or as much as possible.

From the little research I've done so far, I cant seem to find any info on the strength of the ottoman army around this time. All I can find is about reforms n stuff. Any idea's/suggestions on sources? It'd be nice to have some solid facts
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 10, 2016, 11:01:39 pm
Concerning research, I'm not at home this weekend, but I'll do my research about mother Russia as fast as possible after my return home. So I'm still alive ;)

Personally I think that it would be nice if you, Volk, could gather and post at least some basic numbers and informations for everyone to use. More detailed info (rather for role play use) players should of course find themselves, but some basic informations should be available for everyone to avoid situations when each player use different sources and number for the same things.

Yea, some basic info would be nice. As he said, that way each player doesn't end up with a different number each time. Also, it means that we're all balanced out, or as much as possible.

From the little research I've done so far, I cant seem to find any info on the strength of the ottoman army around this time. All I can find is about reforms n stuff. Any idea's/suggestions on sources? It'd be nice to have some solid facts
here are some numbers, although im not sure how accurate they are. it seems like they could only actually raise like 50,000 soldiers

http://napoleonicmilitarymodelling.blogspot.com/2012/05/ottoman-empire-turkey-sublime-port.html (http://napoleonicmilitarymodelling.blogspot.com/2012/05/ottoman-empire-turkey-sublime-port.html)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_the_Ottoman_Empire (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_the_Ottoman_Empire)
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Volk on September 11, 2016, 03:32:06 am
Just a few things I've been thinking about. Should I use the same combat system that I use for land battles for naval actions? Also, some generals died in/right after battles like Kutozov & Bagration. Should I make it so if the enemy rolls a certain number over your roll your general is killed, or if you roll a certain dice roll (7 or 10 for examples) general dies, or should I just use judgement & the plans you guys send me (ie battle complete disaster, general dies).

I am going to continue to try to find as much info about nations' armies & navies as much as I can. So far everything's going great. Still need help in the HRE though.

Also, if anybody can create a BoP Napoleonic Wars header that'd be great.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Raddeo on September 11, 2016, 10:50:47 pm
Emperor Napoleon, have you seen this page?
http://www.ottoman-uniforms.com/napoleonic-till-1826-janissary-led-ottoman-army/
It's mostly about uniforms, not a numbers, but maybe you can use their sources to find some more informations. Or at least get some overall idea about Ottomans' army from this period.

And Volk, concerning Ottomans, you've written in main game topic, that Ottomans cannot reform their army. Sultan Selim III was the one who tried to reform Ottoman army, he introduced so called New Model Army, changed organisation of military, reduced role of Janissaries, etc. His reforms were one of the reasons of Janissary rebellion and his assassination in 1807. So removing them from the game seems to be strange idea to me. Why have you done so?

And also I may try to make a simple header tomorrow if you want.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Rhen on September 11, 2016, 11:19:05 pm
After some discussions with a Württembergian and endless of useless articles, I have come to the conclusion that the supposed Württembergian army size at the time (1803) was around 8000 men small. Rest in peace Württemberg.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Volk on September 12, 2016, 12:27:52 am
And Volk, concerning Ottomans, you've written in main game topic, that Ottomans cannot reform their army. Sultan Selim III was the one who tried to reform Ottoman army, he introduced so called New Model Army, changed organisation of military, reduced role of Janissaries, etc. His reforms were one of the reasons of Janissary rebellion and his assassination in 1807. So removing them from the game seems to be strange idea to me. Why have you done so?
By reform military I mainly meant tactics/doctine wise. At the start of the war of the third coalition the allied powers all used (by Napoleon's standards) outdated tactics; mainly the super linear way they used infantry (those really still and stagnant Fredericken Lines focused on fire rather than the more attack-focused columns and carres), their disposition towards artillery (Grand Battery & horse artillery), the piecemeal use of cavalry, the whole Frederick era system of logistics, etc. The whole "reform" mechanic is mainly to give France an early edge in the beginning due to new tactics but allows the other powers to catch up.

Ottomans did do reforms it is true, mainly the Nizam-ı Cedid reforms, however the new army was both very scarcely used and was almost always impeded by conservative Turk ministers, generals, the Yeniceri, etc. Plus even though they were trained in western tactics, the tactics of the leaders and military overall remained "old". IE over reliance on the initial charge of cavalry like in previous centuries & the Yeniceri corps being the backbone of the infantry with basically levies supporting it. Plus, if the player did try to reform their military to get the Napoleonic tactics bonus, I'd have to do massive Yeniceri rebellions that would distract me from the main affairs of Europe, be nearly impossible for the player (Napoleon) to beat (considering the New Model Army at its peak was about 25,000 strong), and just be another thing on my plate to worry about. I figured I could just simplify matters by just keeping the Ottomans from getting that bonus.

If Napoleon really wants to try the whole reform thing or you guys just want to allow Ottomans to reform I can change it. Just remember that it's another thing I'll have to worry about, mainly because every nation but the Ottoman Empire can reform without having massive rebellions. Keeping the Ottomans from reforming their military doesn't mean I won't do some of the key historical flavor events (like Selim III's assassination), it just means they won't be able to get that +1 bonus in rolls that everyone else might enjoy.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Commander Bondage on September 12, 2016, 01:14:29 am
Hmmm interesting. But can we all agree that BabyJ is worst NW?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 12, 2016, 02:01:43 am
Any idea when this will start? I'm ready to take over the world
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Volk on September 12, 2016, 02:07:21 am
Any idea when this will start? I'm ready to take over the world
https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?topic=33229.msg1434259#msg1434259
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Emperor Napoleon on September 12, 2016, 08:49:19 am
Spoiler
Emperor Napoleon, have you seen this page?
http://www.ottoman-uniforms.com/napoleonic-till-1826-janissary-led-ottoman-army/
It's mostly about uniforms, not a numbers, but maybe you can use their sources to find some more informations. Or at least get some overall idea about Ottomans' army from this period.

And Volk, concerning Ottomans, you've written in main game topic, that Ottomans cannot reform their army. Sultan Selim III was the one who tried to reform Ottoman army, he introduced so called New Model Army, changed organisation of military, reduced role of Janissaries, etc. His reforms were one of the reasons of Janissary rebellion and his assassination in 1807. So removing them from the game seems to be strange idea to me. Why have you done so?

And also I may try to make a simple header tomorrow if you want.

And Volk, concerning Ottomans, you've written in main game topic, that Ottomans cannot reform their army. Sultan Selim III was the one who tried to reform Ottoman army, he introduced so called New Model Army, changed organisation of military, reduced role of Janissaries, etc. His reforms were one of the reasons of Janissary rebellion and his assassination in 1807. So removing them from the game seems to be strange idea to me. Why have you done so?
By reform military I mainly meant tactics/doctine wise. At the start of the war of the third coalition the allied powers all used (by Napoleon's standards) outdated tactics; mainly the super linear way they used infantry (those really still and stagnant Fredericken Lines focused on fire rather than the more attack-focused columns and carres), their disposition towards artillery (Grand Battery & horse artillery), the piecemeal use of cavalry, the whole Frederick era system of logistics, etc. The whole "reform" mechanic is mainly to give France an early edge in the beginning due to new tactics but allows the other powers to catch up.

Ottomans did do reforms it is true, mainly the Nizam-ı Cedid reforms, however the new army was both very scarcely used and was almost always impeded by conservative Turk ministers, generals, the Yeniceri, etc. Plus even though they were trained in western tactics, the tactics of the leaders and military overall remained "old". IE over reliance on the initial charge of cavalry like in previous centuries & the Yeniceri corps being the backbone of the infantry with basically levies supporting it. Plus, if the player did try to reform their military to get the Napoleonic tactics bonus, I'd have to do massive Yeniceri rebellions that would distract me from the main affairs of Europe, be nearly impossible for the player (Napoleon) to beat (considering the New Model Army at its peak was about 25,000 strong), and just be another thing on my plate to worry about. I figured I could just simplify matters by just keeping the Ottomans from getting that bonus.

If Napoleon really wants to try the whole reform thing or you guys just want to allow Ottomans to reform I can change it. Just remember that it's another thing I'll have to worry about, mainly because every nation but the Ottoman Empire can reform without having massive rebellions. Keeping the Ottomans from reforming their military doesn't mean I won't do some of the key historical flavor events (like Selim III's assassination), it just means they won't be able to get that +1 bonus in rolls that everyone else might enjoy.
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Raddeo does make a point, Selim was the first Sultan to try and reform the Ottoman army, but it wasn't successful mainly because generals, ministers and most importantly the actual soldiers (like Volk said) didn't like being trained to western standards.

Personally, I'd like the option to reform, but I might not even bother especially if its just going to result with a rebellion.


Thanks Raddeo for that link, will have a proper read through today
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Ted on September 12, 2016, 01:29:15 pm
Also Ted Bavaria is bad. Only 33,000 troops. Who even cares if their some of the most highly trained soldiers in Germany

Nope, that's wrong. 33.000 marched to Russia, however the Bavarian Army had about 60.000-65.000 men alone in the professional army, they were able to raise even more men for the field while keeping the nation going when needed. Let's not forget that Bavaria rekt Austria hard.... Since 1805 Bavaria had to bring up 30.000 men for the French cause all the time, but the Bavarian army itself was much larger.



These are the infantry divisions that marched to Russia in 1812:


19. Division General Deroy (Generalstab: Major von Gravenreuth)

1. Brigade Generalmajor von Siebein
1. Leichtes Infanteriebataillon (Major Gedoni)    16 Offiziere - 581 Mann
1. Linieninfanterie-Regiment König (Oberst Baron Ströhl)    38 Offiziere - 1.514 Mann
9. Linieninfanterie-Regiment Ysenburg (Oberst de la Motte)    41 Offiziere - 1.507 Mann

2. Brigade Generalmajor von Raglovich
3. Leichtes Infanteriebataillon (Major Bernklau)    19 Offiziere - 745 Mann
4. Linieninfanterie-Regiment Sachsen-Hildburghausen (Oberst von Zoller)    39 Offiziere - 1.444 Mann
10. Linieninfanterie-Regiment Junker (Oberst Graf Preysing)    37 Offiziere - 1.473 Mann

3. Brigade Generalmajor Graf Rechberg
6. Leichtes Infanteriebataillon (Major La Roche)    20 Offiziere - 1.009 Mann
8. Linieninfanterie-Regiment Herzog Pius (Oberst Wreden)    37 Offiziere - 1.272 Mann



20. Division General Graf von Wrede (Generalstab: Oberst von Comeau)

1. Brigade Generalmajor von Vincenti (später Generalmajor Minucci)
2. Leichtes Infanteriebataillon (Major Treuberg)    21 Offiziere - 710 Mann
2. Linieninfanterie-Regiment Kronprinz (Oberst Graf Spaur)    41 Offiziere - 1.513 Mann
6. Linieninfanterie-Regiment Herzog Wilhelm (Oberst von Deroy)    36 Offiziere - 1.528 Mann

2. Brigade Generalmajor Beckers (später Generalmajor von Vincenti)
4. Leichtes Infanteriebataillon (Major Theobald)    19 Offiziere - 732 Mann
3. Linieninfanterie-Regiment Prinz Carl (Oberst Graf Waldkirch)    37 Offiziere - 1.508 Mann
7. Linieninfanterie-Regiment Löwenstein-Werthheim (Oberst Maillot de la Treille)    37 Offiziere - 1.481 Mann

3. Brigade Oberst Baron Habermann
5. Leichtes Infanteriebataillon (Major Buttler)    13 Offiziere - 460 Mann
5. Linieninfanterie-Regiment Preysing (Oberst Baron Habermann)    39 Offiziere - 1.504 Mann
11. Linieninfanterie-Regiment Kinkel (Oberst Graf Dallwigk)    39 Offiziere - 1.528 Mann



Both Divisions also had cavalry and artillery, I could not find the exact numbers though. However, all in all 33.000 men as you said - after years of war, let's not forget this!


However the infantry regiments went to Russia with one batallion out of two only, the other one was kept in Bavaria. That means that more then 20.000 additional men of the professional line infantry were stationed in Bavaria to be able to defend the homeland against a possible Austrian attack.




Earlier in 1809 the Bavarian army consisted out of the following troops:

    13 Linien-Infanterie-Regimentern
    12 Reserve-Bataillons
    7 leichten Infanterie-Bataillons
    2 freiwilligen Jäger-Bataillons zu Fuß
    1 freiwilligen Jäger-Corps zu Pferd
    2 Dragoner-Regimenter
    4 Chevauxlegers-Regimenter
    20 Batterien Artillerie.
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Summing up to about 55.000-60.000 professional soldiers

+ The Royal Guards with about 3000 men, both cavalry and infantry
+ The Gendarmerie with about 2000 men, both cavalry and infantry
+ Professional Mountain-Riflemen (Gebirgsschützen, about 7000 men).
+ The National Militia (Every man up to 40)


(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffs5.directupload.net%2Fimages%2F160912%2Fim59mo48.png&hash=e2cdd0e2cdc56fed0b09dc4784667a4d228aff09)



Bavaria also was much more advanced in the cultural and technical sector then Austria or Russia, the Electorate and later Kingdom of Bavaria was very very modern and the FIRST ONE to have cartographed a full detailed map of itself.



So, to end it: As I said, Bavaria was much stronger then most people know. The German States had the most citizens in all Europe. If they were united in one state they would have easily been the major power in the world.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: DoctorWarband on September 12, 2016, 01:43:57 pm
tl:dr
I am Ted, I am a proud German, here look at numbers
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Cazasar on September 12, 2016, 02:34:32 pm
tl:dr
I am Ted, I am a proud German, here look at numbers
Are you jealous? :D
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: DoctorWarband on September 12, 2016, 02:54:17 pm
tl:dr
I am Ted, I am a proud German, here look at numbers
Are you jealous? :D
Nah m8
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on September 12, 2016, 04:06:12 pm
muh British navy
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 12, 2016, 06:06:49 pm
Can you post your source Ted? I can't seem to find anything even close to those numbers. I hoghest I found was 37,000 (33000 in the march to Russia, 4,000 stayed back). And only 4,000 made it back from Russia. They did form another army, but that one sucked and got rekt. I couldn't find any troop numbers for that one

Side note: I went to the 5th page of Google. Do you know how scary that is?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Volk on September 12, 2016, 07:06:28 pm
Can you post your source Ted? I can't seem to find anything even close to those numbers.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Ted on September 12, 2016, 07:16:09 pm
Can you post your source Ted? I can't seem to find anything even close to those numbers. I hoghest I found was 37,000 (33000 in the march to Russia, 4,000 stayed back). And only 4,000 made it back from Russia. They did form another army, but that one sucked and got rekt. I couldn't find any troop numbers for that one

Side note: I went to the 5th page of Google. Do you know how scary that is?

Yup, I'm going to post it after dinner  ;)  :)


Edit:

Here you go, but as I told you the stuff is in German :P

http://www.napoleon-online.de/armee_bayern_infanterie1812.html
http://www.napoleonwiki.de/index.php?title=Bayerische_Armee_(1809)
http://www.napoleonwiki.de/index.php?title=Bayerische_Armee
http://www.bayerische-staatszeitung.de/staatszeitung/unser-bayern/detailansicht-unser-bayern/artikel/thraenen-und-wehmut.html
https://books.google.de/books?id=wNMjCQAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&hl=de#v=onepage&q&f=false


And information about the Bavarian army given in the following books:

Alois Schmid & Katharina Weigand "Bayern mitten in Europa - Vom Frühmittelalter bis ins 20.Jhd"
Thomas Schuler: "Napoleon und Bayern"
Eckart Kleßmann: "Die Verlorenen - Die Soldaten in Napoleons Rußlandfeldzug"
Andreas Platthaus: "1813 Die Völkerschlacht und das Ende der Welt"
Dominic Lieven: "Russland gegen Napoleon"

+ dozens of other books, but the five listed above are my main sources for the Bavarian situation during the Napoleonic Wars.



However let me make this clear here: Bavaria never moved more then 45.000 men into the field in ONE army during the Napoleonic Wars (at least as far as I am aware of), but the Bavarian army itself was much larger. English sources tend to use the 33k-35k (depends on the source) Bavarian soldiers that took part in Russia as if they were the whole Bavarian army - in fact, they were not. These 35k were the soldiers under direct French command, but not the whole Bavarian army. There were multiple thousands of regular soldiers in Tirol as well as in the Bavarian mainland - plus the Gebirgsschützen and other things. Only a fool would send all men far away when you  still have possible enemies - e. g. Austria - on your borders.


Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 12, 2016, 07:58:33 pm
Can you post your source Ted? I can't seem to find anything even close to those numbers. I hoghest I found was 37,000 (33000 in the march to Russia, 4,000 stayed back). And only 4,000 made it back from Russia. They did form another army, but that one sucked and got rekt. I couldn't find any troop numbers for that one

Side note: I went to the 5th page of Google. Do you know how scary that is?

Yup, I'm going to post it after dinner  ;)  :)
im just gonna post do you don't double post and get banned :P
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Ted on September 12, 2016, 08:00:39 pm
im just gonna post do you don't double post and get banned :P

Thx  :-*


Here you go, but as I told you the stuff is in German :P

http://www.napoleon-online.de/armee_bayern_infanterie1812.html
http://www.napoleonwiki.de/index.php?title=Bayerische_Armee_(1809)
http://www.napoleonwiki.de/index.php?title=Bayerische_Armee
http://www.bayerische-staatszeitung.de/staatszeitung/unser-bayern/detailansicht-unser-bayern/artikel/thraenen-und-wehmut.html
https://books.google.de/books?id=wNMjCQAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&hl=de#v=onepage&q&f=false


And information about the Bavarian army given in the following books:

Alois Schmid & Katharina Weigand "Bayern mitten in Europa - Vom Frühmittelalter bis ins 20.Jhd"
Thomas Schuler: "'Napoleon und Bayern"
Eckart Kleßmann: "Die Verlorenen - Die Soldaten in Napoleons Rußlandfeldzug"
Andreas Platthaus: "1813 Die Völkerschlacht und das Ende der Welt"
Dominic Lieven: "Russland gegen Napoleon"

+ dozens of other books, but the five listed above are my main sources for the Bavarian situation during the Napoleonic Wars.



However let me make this clear here: Bavaria never moved more then 45.000 men into the field in ONE army during the Napoleonic Wars (at least as far as I am aware of), but the Bavarian army itself was much larger. English sources tend to use the 33k-35k (depends on the source) Bavarian soldiers that took part in Russia as if they were the whole Bavarian army - in fact, they were not. These 35k were the soldiers under direct French command, but not the whole Bavarian army. There were multiple thousands of regular soldiers in Tirol as well as in the Bavarian mainland - plus the Gebirgsschützen and other things. Only a fool would send all men far away when you  still have possible enemies - e. g. Austria - on your borders.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Volk on September 12, 2016, 10:18:58 pm
You're getting 30k, at most 30 & some change. I don't see where you're getting these imaginary 30 thousand standing Bavarians, all of my sources and yours say that the Bavarian army was about 30k & some change strong.

I think the "ghost" 30k you're referring to are the men raised to replenish losses of the Bavarian army. In which case yes Bavaria raised 60+ thousand men throughout the Napoleonic Wars but really the army (as a whole) never cracked the 40k limit. Plus this is all after conquests, treaties, & awesome reforms including conscription reforms that Bavaria undertook, so really at start, January 1804, you're army is about/slightly under 30k. Obviously it will grow/wane following game events. At the moment (start) your army's in the 20-30k range & can grow obv based on game events. This isn't power gaming either, it's just history.

Or you can go ahead and raise 60k or more men ignoring history, at which case don't rage when you lose men & can't replenish because you used up all your manpower. ( Remember we're only playing about 10 years Cough coughEU4 HoI4)

Same kinda goes for everyone. "Men raised" is over the whole period of the Napoleonic Wars, but "King of Bavaria and his 22 thousand bayonets" is that many at that time.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Ted on September 13, 2016, 06:56:00 am
You're getting 30k, at most 30 & some change. I don't see where you're getting these imaginary 30 thousand standing Bavarians, all of my sources and yours say that the Bavarian army was about 30k & some change strong.

I think the "ghost" 30k you're referring to are the men raised to replenish losses of the Bavarian army. In which case yes Bavaria raised 60+ thousand men throughout the Napoleonic Wars but really the army (as a whole) never cracked the 40k limit. Plus this is all after conquests, treaties, & awesome reforms including conscription reforms that Bavaria undertook, so really at start, January 1804, you're army is about/slightly under 30k. Obviously it will grow/wane following game events. At the moment (start) your army's in the 20-30k range & can grow obv based on game events. This isn't power gaming either, it's just history.

Or you can go ahead and raise 60k or more men ignoring history, at which case don't rage when you lose men & can't replenish because you used up all your manpower. ( Remember we're only playing about 10 years Cough coughEU4 HoI4)

Same kinda goes for everyone. "Men raised" is over the whole period of the Napoleonic Wars, but "King of Bavaria and his 22 thousand bayonets" is that many at that time.

I'm fine with this. But just to make this history-wise clear, Bavaria was running on some kind of conscription-madness where they recruited tons of people although they had only 4 Million citizens. The army was in fact as large as I said, but as you said if they would have lost these 60k they would have had real problems to reinforce.
They sent only 33k to Russia (this number allready has the 1812 reinforcements counted in), but they still had troops left.
At the start of the game Bavaria still is an Electorate anyways and therefore far away from the strong Kingdom-times - but I just wanted to point out the real numbers of the Bavarian army on its peak to BabyJ ;) Doesn't mean that you would have 60k on the start, this would be false indeed.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 14, 2016, 01:22:26 am
You're getting 30k, at most 30 & some change. I don't see where you're getting these imaginary 30 thousand standing Bavarians, all of my sources and yours say that the Bavarian army was about 30k & some change strong.

I think the "ghost" 30k you're referring to are the men raised to replenish losses of the Bavarian army. In which case yes Bavaria raised 60+ thousand men throughout the Napoleonic Wars but really the army (as a whole) never cracked the 40k limit. Plus this is all after conquests, treaties, & awesome reforms including conscription reforms that Bavaria undertook, so really at start, January 1804, you're army is about/slightly under 30k. Obviously it will grow/wane following game events. At the moment (start) your army's in the 20-30k range & can grow obv based on game events. This isn't power gaming either, it's just history.

Or you can go ahead and raise 60k or more men ignoring history, at which case don't rage when you lose men & can't replenish because you used up all your manpower. ( Remember we're only playing about 10 years Cough coughEU4 HoI4)

Same kinda goes for everyone. "Men raised" is over the whole period of the Napoleonic Wars, but "King of Bavaria and his 22 thousand bayonets" is that many at that time.

I'm fine with this. But just to make this history-wise clear, Bavaria was running on some kind of conscription-madness where they recruited tons of people although they had only 4 Million citizens. The army was in fact as large as I said, but as you said if they would have lost these 60k they would have had real problems to reinforce.
They sent only 33k to Russia (this number allready has the 1812 reinforcements counted in), but they still had troops left.
At the start of the game Bavaria still is an Electorate anyways and therefore far away from the strong Kingdom-times - but I just wanted to point out the real numbers of the Bavarian army on its peak to BabyJ ;) Doesn't mean that you would have 60k on the start, this would be false indeed.
the Swedish army, at its peak, had 64k. All volunteer if I remember correctly and with a smaller overall population (3.4 million).

I've been actually reading quite a bit if the Napoleonic wars stuff. The whole conversation was just baiting you for sources. You fell right into my trap :P
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Volk on September 14, 2016, 01:30:17 am
So I've made Draft 3 of the BoP map...

I'm glad Napoleon dismantled the HRE. It's so god awful.
I mean
(https://i.imgur.com/VlhJvjd.png)
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Seriously?
(https://i.imgur.com/hAfYaDy.png)
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Wasn't much better even after Napoleon
(https://i.imgur.com/V25UKsm.png)
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Map Draft 3
(https://i.imgur.com/BD3fxBR.png)

Changes:

-Added minor duchies, states, principalities. (Arenburg, Hesse, etc)
-Tried to make the border gore region under Saxony as best I could
-Reduced the size of Swedish Pomerania (I despise cutting up provinces)
-Gave Wurttemburg and Baden more land
-Flipped Bavarian lands to minor HRE states, gave Bavaria (as best I could) Wurzburg
-Took away Saxony's weird province
-Added Prussia's enclave (as best I could, there were a ton of free counties and cities in and around the enclave)
-All changes besides Pomerania were in HRE
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All that's left to do now, notwithstanding any player complaints following the HRE completion, is for me to write up the rules and set up the main thread for game play.

There is one problem I thought of. If we are going to do 4 turns (of 3 months) per year, that means starting from January 1804, say, game end of December 1815, difference is about 12 years, so 4 x 12 is... 48 turns? I'm starting to think that's a bit too little time, considering we had weeks then month long turns in 1914. Idk, should I perhaps do 6 2-month-long turns per year until December 1815, which is about 12 (years) x 6 (turns per year) = 72? Or should we do months, considering some wars lasted mere months in the Napoleonic Wars? Idk, I need input from you all. The same goes for the map as well. I despise the HRE with a passion.

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: DoctorWarband on September 14, 2016, 02:30:45 am
The more BoP the better imo.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on September 14, 2016, 08:44:35 am
Well, the Napoleonic Wars might last longer in this timeline. No one knows.

Btw, the majority of the Rhineland was not owned by the Prussians until the Vienna Congress.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Ted on September 14, 2016, 01:13:32 pm
You're getting 30k, at most 30 & some change. I don't see where you're getting these imaginary 30 thousand standing Bavarians, all of my sources and yours say that the Bavarian army was about 30k & some change strong.

I think the "ghost" 30k you're referring to are the men raised to replenish losses of the Bavarian army. In which case yes Bavaria raised 60+ thousand men throughout the Napoleonic Wars but really the army (as a whole) never cracked the 40k limit. Plus this is all after conquests, treaties, & awesome reforms including conscription reforms that Bavaria undertook, so really at start, January 1804, you're army is about/slightly under 30k. Obviously it will grow/wane following game events. At the moment (start) your army's in the 20-30k range & can grow obv based on game events. This isn't power gaming either, it's just history.

Or you can go ahead and raise 60k or more men ignoring history, at which case don't rage when you lose men & can't replenish because you used up all your manpower. ( Remember we're only playing about 10 years Cough coughEU4 HoI4)

Same kinda goes for everyone. "Men raised" is over the whole period of the Napoleonic Wars, but "King of Bavaria and his 22 thousand bayonets" is that many at that time.

I'm fine with this. But just to make this history-wise clear, Bavaria was running on some kind of conscription-madness where they recruited tons of people although they had only 4 Million citizens. The army was in fact as large as I said, but as you said if they would have lost these 60k they would have had real problems to reinforce.
They sent only 33k to Russia (this number allready has the 1812 reinforcements counted in), but they still had troops left.
At the start of the game Bavaria still is an Electorate anyways and therefore far away from the strong Kingdom-times - but I just wanted to point out the real numbers of the Bavarian army on its peak to BabyJ ;) Doesn't mean that you would have 60k on the start, this would be false indeed.
the Swedish army, at its peak, had 64k. All volunteer if I remember correctly and with a smaller overall population (3.4 million).

I've been actually reading quite a bit if the Napoleonic wars stuff. The whole conversation was just baiting you for sources. You fell right into my trap :P

Well played I say  ;)  ::)
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Nick Lazanis on September 14, 2016, 03:02:41 pm
Denmark norway had  around 36k troops during the dano swedish war of 1808 according to wikipedia.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Ted on September 14, 2016, 03:41:34 pm
However, better stop using wikipedia-articles as source for troop numbers. It's just a no, a no aaaand... a no. See, taking numbers for armies due to the strength of one fieldarmy would be the same as if you scaled the modern British army down to 10.000 men because the British army had 10.000 men during the Falklands War according to Wikipedia.

And especially @Volk: Troops taking part in one campaign/one operation and the actual armysize at the time are two COMPLETLY different things. There are no "ghost"-troops, but troops in action and reserves.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Bravescot on September 14, 2016, 03:48:56 pm
And this is why I wasn't hyped to see Volk back. Once again her stupidity reigns supreme.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Furrnox on September 14, 2016, 03:54:32 pm
However, better stop using wikipedia-articles as source for troop numbers. It's just a no, a no aaaand... a no. See, taking numbers for armies due to the strength of one fieldarmy would be the same as if you scaled the modern British army down to 10.000 men because the British army had 10.000 men during the Falklands War according to Wikipedia.

And especially @Volk: Troops taking part in one campaign/one operation and the actual armysize at the time are two COMPLETLY different things. There are no "ghost"-troops, but troops in action and reserves.

I'm pretty sure nobody ever said there was any "ghost"-troops?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 14, 2016, 05:00:29 pm
However, better stop using wikipedia-articles as source for troop numbers. It's just a no, a no aaaand... a no. See, taking numbers for armies due to the strength of one fieldarmy would be the same as if you scaled the modern British army down to 10.000 men because the British army had 10.000 men during the Falklands War according to Wikipedia.

And especially @Volk: Troops taking part in one campaign/one operation and the actual armysize at the time are two COMPLETLY different things. There are no "ghost"-troops, but troops in action and reserves.
what the are you on about?

O wait I see what your talking about.

I still have yet to find anything saying the Bavarian army was 60k strong at any given point. So when volk said "ghost 30k" she was referring to the random 30k soldiers you were adding to their standing army. Obviously, you dont wanna give people double their army size without being able to find anything on those extra numbers.

What I did find was that after Russia, Bavaria raised/conscripted another army (and I think that army lost every battle it was in).

If it said it in one of the links you posted let me know. Because I obviously didn't see it.

Also Wikipedia is a solid source. For everything. No matter teh topic.

Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Rhen on September 14, 2016, 05:30:32 pm
In accordance to the third draft of the map, Württemberg's army size increases from 8000 men to 10000/11000+ men.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Nightdragger on September 14, 2016, 08:34:33 pm
I'd like to participate as Portugal. If this is not possible, I'd like to play sardinia
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Commander Bondage on September 14, 2016, 08:35:57 pm
And this is why I wasn't hyped to see Volk back. Once again her stupidity reigns supreme.
"i killed volk xd"
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Volk on September 14, 2016, 09:15:29 pm
I'd like to participate as Portugal. If this is not possible, I'd like to play sardinia
Portugal's open I think.

Edit: Looking at my schedule, it looks like the game will be up Friday/Saturday. Map draft 3, unless player complaints are raised & addressed (I'm looking at you HRE), will be the map we use for the game. We also now have all the major nations filled including 2 German states so that's great. I've decided that the previously agreed upon 3-month turns will be used, with each turn being 1 season (I will post the seasons and the months on main thread in the rules). I don't think there is anything else I need to do, & I don't want to make anymore systems besides our simple battle system. However if you guys think something should be changed then say so by Friday/Saturday.

My job is going well & I get paid a decent amount, so I might buy yet another book(s) on the Nap. Wars to help. I also will add a few more great leaders for balance reasons (Nelson).

Thanks in advance for help.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Furrnox on September 14, 2016, 09:58:21 pm
I expect us Frenchies will have huge bonuses? I mean since it took almost all the major nations of Europe to defeat Napoleon and his France.
If France isn't OP than what's the point?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Volk on September 14, 2016, 10:09:54 pm
I expect us Frenchies will have huge bonuses? I mean since it took almost all the major nations of Europe to defeat Napoleon and his France.
If France isn't OP than what's the point?
They do. Unless I forgot to update the thread battle wise.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Lawrence on September 15, 2016, 01:52:20 am
Can I reserve Portugal?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Volk on September 15, 2016, 01:53:37 am
Can I reserve Portugal?
Portugal was just taken earlier today  :-\ You can talk to "Nightdragger" or pick another nation...

Though I think the only one left is Sardinia?  :-\

Edit: Nightdragger is now Portugal and Lawrence has PM'd me that he wants to be Sardinia. That means every major nation now has a player for it. Woo.
I've taken a look at the starting bonus for France and besides the obvious benefits GM side that France has (Like more leeway for player decisions starting out, ie rp, reforms, actions, decisions etc) France also has, at start, a minimum +4 roll on all land battles (Provided that Napoleon is participating in the battle), and since the minimum value that the dice can give is always 1, that means France at start has a minimum roll of 5 for land combat. Some nations, like Britain, have a minimum roll of 2 but have a handicap, while some nations like Russia might have minimum roll of 0 or even -1! Obviously players will be able to reform and catch up, but starting out France has a good lead on everybody else land wise.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Reznov on September 15, 2016, 07:46:18 pm
Anyone got some sources regarding Barbary States?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: DoctorWarband on September 15, 2016, 08:32:24 pm
Anyone got some sources regarding Barbary States?

http://scholar.lmgtfy.com/?q=barbary+states+napoleonic+wars
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Nick Lazanis on September 15, 2016, 09:26:42 pm
I think reznov was referring to books considering the internet is quite untrustworthy
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: DoctorWarband on September 15, 2016, 09:57:28 pm
I think reznov was referring to books considering the internet is quite untrustworthy
That's why I gave him a google scholar link.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Volk on September 16, 2016, 02:59:25 am
Nativemann reserves the Swiss Confederation.

Although I advise him to switch to something slightly less annexable, like Etruria.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Commander Bondage on September 16, 2016, 03:45:47 am
Nativemann reserves the Swiss Confederation.

Although I advise him to switch to something slightly less annexable, like Etruria.
That woman on your avatar is asian. Asian people develop tiny noses
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Volk on September 16, 2016, 03:52:53 am
Nativemann reserves the Swiss Confederation.

Although I advise him to switch to something slightly less annexable, like Etruria.
That woman on your avatar is asian. Asian people develop tiny noses
That woman in my avatar is actually Russian, I just had to drastically shrink and cut off half the picture because she's so tall. If FSE had bigger avatars this wouldn't be a problem  :'(

Edit: Still looking for a header. I'm still receiving information and PM's daily so I may do one last edit to the game map. (HRE yet again) Though I do admit, I am hesitant to waste any more time on the HRE since it'll probably just implode, get annexed by human players, or Confederation of the Rhine'd.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Commander Bondage on September 16, 2016, 03:53:43 am
Nativemann reserves the Swiss Confederation.

Although I advise him to switch to something slightly less annexable, like Etruria.
That woman on your avatar is asian. Asian people develop tiny noses
That woman in my avatar is actually Russian, I just had to drastically shrink and cut off half the picture because she's so tall. If FSE had bigger avatars this wouldn't be a problem  :'(
Russia is in Asia
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: DoctorWarband on September 16, 2016, 12:38:05 pm
I would make a header if my PC wasn't a shitface.
I need to install so many things...  :'(
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Furrnox on September 16, 2016, 04:55:50 pm
Nativemann reserves the Swiss Confederation.

Although I advise him to switch to something slightly less annexable, like Etruria.
That woman on your avatar is asian. Asian people develop tiny noses
That woman in my avatar is actually Russian, I just had to drastically shrink and cut off half the picture because she's so tall. If FSE had bigger avatars this wouldn't be a problem  :'(

Edit: Still looking for a header. I'm still receiving information and PM's daily so I may do one last edit to the game map. (HRE yet again) Though I do admit, I am hesitant to waste any more time on the HRE since it'll probably just implode, get annexed by human players, or Confederation of the Rhine'd.

Oh hey guys.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Volk on September 16, 2016, 07:07:18 pm
So I have some headers by Raddeo & McLovin. I know McLovin said he was still working on one, so I'll post the ones I have right now shortly

McLovin's proof of concept
(https://i.imgur.com/z28GEwY.png)
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Raddeo's stuff
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Spoiler
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Spoiler
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Spoiler
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Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 16, 2016, 07:44:26 pm
I like Radeon winter one and the one with the horses
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Furrnox on September 16, 2016, 07:44:53 pm
I like Raddeo's first one it's pretty dank.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 16, 2016, 11:36:24 pm
I couldnt find much abut the Barbary states (like numbers and stuff) but they seem like a fun nation to play as. like all the raiding and ransoming and shit
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Furrnox on September 16, 2016, 11:40:32 pm
"Well if they raid me I will tear them apart" - Furrnox aka Napoleon Bonaparte 2016
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 17, 2016, 12:08:41 am
"Well if they raid me I will tear them apart" - Furrnox aka Napoleon Bonaparte 2016
like you would have the time or navy to deal with them
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Furrnox on September 17, 2016, 12:15:09 am
Before trafalgar Napoleon had a pretty decent navy.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on September 17, 2016, 12:22:56 am
Before trafalgar Napoleon had a pretty decent navy.

Can't compare to the British though  ;)
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 17, 2016, 12:24:18 am
Before trafalgar Napoleon had a pretty decent navy.
Brtains navy will keep you a little occupied
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Volk on September 17, 2016, 12:38:53 am
While finishing the game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGh5LTaWhPU
[close]
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Volk on September 17, 2016, 03:58:28 am
Here is map draft 4. McLovin kept sending more updated maps, which makes me sad considering he's the only person who sent me maps this whole time. I edited what I knew enough about to be true or whatever was acceptable for the game. 99% of the changes were to the same region of the HRE, I also flipped another province to France because I was looking at more maps and the French border didn't match up exactly. It is the province above Alsace Lorraine, bordering Hesse, Baden, and those German States.

Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/qbqGaaz.png)
[close]

Everything else was too insignificant, involved province cutting, etc for me to worry about. I think this is the last map draft I will do. I've wasted too much time in the HRE for non-player nations. I'll let Furrnox and the German Electorate players figure that out if they want to partition, expand, Confederation of the Rhine, etc. (Or any other European powers who might take an alt. path through history...)

Currently adding all of the game info and rules into the page. I'll also add the prologue event and PM Furrnox the beginning events I have planned for him, then I'll unlock the thread and post here to alert that the game is starting. I'll be continually researching and archiving more information as time goes on, so if you have any minor questions feel free to ask or ask another player, considering certain people might know more about certain areas.

Just a heads up, I think I said this before but I want to try to interfere as little as possible, considering we're all knowledgeable in this area (most of us anyway). Like I said, the only systems I want are battle systems, which our simple little equation fills the role of. Everything else I'll just control and note down, it won't be like 1914 with equations for every little facet. I like it better that way, that's how I ran my forum games after 1914 and it worked out better.

Thanks in advance for all help and thanks to Raddeo for making those headers. If you want still want to submit a header feel free to do so; signatures and banners would also be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 17, 2016, 04:11:26 am
someone wanna make me a Sweden sig? :P
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Furrnox on September 17, 2016, 04:15:46 am
I can certainly try.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Volk on September 17, 2016, 06:28:49 am
Game Start.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Ted on September 17, 2016, 12:47:37 pm
Game Start.

Btw it's not Maximilian I. Joseph, but Maximilan IV. Joseph. He became Maximilian I. when appointed King.

Good luck to everyone.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: DoctorWarband on September 17, 2016, 04:01:17 pm
Austria - he only place to acknowledge me as of yet.  :'(
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Raddeo on September 17, 2016, 04:12:09 pm
In a recent turn of events his Majesty, King Frederick William III, King of Prussia would like to address the following:

- He invites the Duchy of Warsaw to sign an alliance.

Doctor, are you aware, that Duchy of Warsaw doesn't even exist in 1804? It's to be created in 1807 from lands annexed by Prussia during Partitions of Poland. So basically for now you're offering alliance to your own province.

Beside that, fact that many players immediatelly start to reform their countries somehow bothers me...
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: DoctorWarband on September 17, 2016, 04:12:59 pm
How would I know that?
I don't read stuff, I just go along with it
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 17, 2016, 04:14:18 pm
In a recent turn of events his Majesty, King Frederick William III, King of Prussia would like to address the following:

- He invites the Duchy of Warsaw to sign an alliance.
Beside that, fact that many players immediatelly start to reform their countries somehow bothers me...
This ^
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Ted on September 17, 2016, 04:27:24 pm
In a recent turn of events his Majesty, King Frederick William III, King of Prussia would like to address the following:

- He invites the Duchy of Warsaw to sign an alliance.
Beside that, fact that many players immediatelly start to reform their countries somehow bothers me...
This ^

^ Yup

These unhistorical reforms are going to take ages though (at least I hope so); Prussia would never have been able to reform its military in a short-time reform starting in 1804 lol, they simply did not have the know-how. Where should the know-how come from right now? I doubt France is going to send military advisors....
Prussia also had big problems with its own administration, they were not able to do ANY reforms until they got rid of noble idiots sitting in important positions because they were nobles.

Ayy lmao some people here know less about the Napoleonic Wars then they do about WW1.... let me repeat the same thing that I've asked people to do in every BoP since the very first one: Research first - post after so we do not have to face salt and cancer waves rolling through again.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 17, 2016, 04:42:02 pm
Ty furrnox for the sig
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Cazasar on September 17, 2016, 04:45:44 pm
I am aware of the fact that it will take ages, but I think Austria, since they got rekt multiple times by french troops, is in a position where uts leaders should be aware of the fact that their troops need change.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 17, 2016, 04:46:30 pm
I am aware of the fact that it will take ages, but I think Austria, since they got rekt multiple times by french troops, is in a position where uts leaders should be aware of the fact that their troops need change.
Mack will change your organization. Don't worry
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Ted on September 17, 2016, 04:54:56 pm
I am aware of the fact that it will take ages, but I think Austria, since they got rekt multiple times by french troops, is in a position where uts leaders should be aware of the fact that their troops need change.
Mack will change your organization. Don't worry

I do not know that much about the Austrian military during the NWs to be honest, but I assume Caz is not going to send Mack anywhere but home   ::) :P :D



(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffs5.directupload.net%2Fimages%2F160917%2F5mmze54h.jpg&hash=ca3879b25d1b0c840668e4c879bca28f0fc211a8)
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 17, 2016, 05:46:05 pm
Sweden is currently seeking allies. To apply simply pm this application to BabyJesus

Name:
Nation:
Worthiness (on a scale of 1-10):
Army size:
Naval Size:
Give me all your shit?:
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Ted on September 17, 2016, 07:02:14 pm
Did Switzerland just offer support to France and seek a trade agreement with Austria at the same time? Interesting.....
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 17, 2016, 07:04:06 pm
Did Switzerland just offer support to France and seek a trade agreement with Austria at the same time? Interesting.....
idk it's not like France and Austria are at war. Yet.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Nativemann on September 17, 2016, 07:05:55 pm
Trade is trade, and I'm at odds with neither.. yet, yeah. Not like I offered an alliance.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 17, 2016, 07:06:53 pm
Btw I edited my post so that I asked for trades with the Iberian nations as well. Plz look Portugam and Spain
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Commander Bondage on September 17, 2016, 08:49:39 pm
I forgot how to play this game
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Salcos on September 17, 2016, 08:50:49 pm
I'll give you a pass to heaven if you convert back to Catholicism, and then we'll go Crusade or something
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 17, 2016, 09:12:15 pm
I'll give you a pass to heaven if you convert back to Catholicism, and then we'll go Crusade or something
ew religion
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Reznov on September 17, 2016, 10:32:55 pm
Who wants white slaves? Trade agreement to highest bidder.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 17, 2016, 10:34:23 pm
OO ME I WANT WHITE SLAVES!

Maybe one of these days France will post something
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 18, 2016, 01:15:36 am
Add me on steam if i dont already have you

https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198070484764/ (https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198070484764/)

Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Bravescot on September 18, 2016, 02:50:07 pm
Nativeman, do me proud as Switzerland. Show this rabble the power of the great jew nation!
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Volk on September 18, 2016, 02:57:52 pm
Erm... just a heads up, the crowning of Napoleon with the Iron Crown of Lombardy is supposed to be something that shocks Europe and is a reaction event. So... you know...

react?

Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Nativemann on September 18, 2016, 03:38:41 pm
Nativeman, do me proud as Switzerland. Show this rabble the power of the great jew nation!
A man can dream!
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Volk on September 18, 2016, 05:29:03 pm
Btw there won't be a schedule for updates. I'll update when it looks and feels like everyone has done their moves and people are asking for updates. I tried schedules again after 1914 and it was awful player side.  So updates will come simply when

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Update?

happens enough times. Or when everyone says they're ready.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 18, 2016, 05:30:22 pm
Erm... just a heads up, the crowning of Napoleon with the Iron Crown of Lombardy is supposed to be something that shocks Europe and is a reaction event. So... you know...

react?
pshh who cares about that! We gotta get hat Sweden guy for trading worth one of the richest nations and most powerful nation the world1111
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Volk on September 18, 2016, 08:05:04 pm
So even though the starting date is January 1st 1805, I accidentally mistyped and put the date 1 year back, ie 1804. I fixed now, no big problem. It's still 1805.

I have to stop typing at night.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on September 18, 2016, 08:10:42 pm
So even though the starting date is January 1st 1805, I accidentally mistyped and put the date 1 year back, ie 1804. I fixed now, no big problem. It's still 1805.

I have to stop typing at night.

Rly? I thought that it was still 1804.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Volk on September 18, 2016, 08:14:47 pm

Rly? I thought that it was still 1804.

Nope, it's 1805. Salcos brought up why half my posts are 1805 while the starting event was 1804. I published starting event right before going to bed so I must've mistyped.

Nothing's changed obv. Just a few digits to the starting date.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 18, 2016, 08:19:22 pm
i thought we were starting in 1804. I definitely would have acted different considering Sweden cut all diplomatic ties with France and started to support the Coalition...........................................................................................
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Volk on September 18, 2016, 08:32:38 pm
i thought we were starting in 1804. I definitely would have acted different considering Sweden cut all diplomatic ties with France and started to support the Coalition...........................................................................................
After events (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Crown_of_Lombardy#History) that haven't happened yet (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ligurian_Republic) or are occurring right now.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 18, 2016, 08:39:04 pm
O wait I'm dumb. We would have started in the winter if 1804 anyways so I would have already cut diplomatic ties with France. Oops I made mistake xD

I'm gonna guess that it's too late to cancel that trade with France?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Volk on September 18, 2016, 09:01:12 pm
Well don't I feel bad.  :-[

If it's that big of a change, I could just revert back to 1804, which is technically the "wrong" date but... if it's that much of a problem I can just change it. I have no problem with it, It's my fault I didn't proofread the date.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on September 18, 2016, 10:23:30 pm

Rly? I thought that it was still 1804.

Nope, it's 1805. Salcos brought up why half my posts are 1805 while the starting event was 1804. I published starting event right before going to bed so I must've mistyped.

Nothing's changed obv. Just a few digits to the starting date.

Wait, so if the starting date is January 1805, shouldn't France be at war with Austria, Naples-Sicily, Russia and Sweden - not only Britian?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Volk on September 18, 2016, 10:33:25 pm


Wait, so if the starting date is January 1805, shouldn't France be at war with Austria, Naples-Sicily, Russia and Sweden - not only Britian?
Historically that happens in 1-2 turns, because France (Furrnox) has yet to do some stuff yet that historically causes Europe to go "Yep time to war now" and there's no "Coalition" yet. (Get on that)

Edit: That's also why I gave Furrnox and Salcos (Mainly Furrnox) the Crown of Lombardy event. That was supposed to be a major event that causes people to go "right time to war" but... I think some people didn't know the significance.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 18, 2016, 10:38:25 pm

Rly? I thought that it was still 1804.

Nope, it's 1805. Salcos brought up why half my posts are 1805 while the starting event was 1804. I published starting event right before going to bed so I must've mistyped.

Nothing's changed obv. Just a few digits to the starting date.

Wait, so if the starting date is January 1805, shouldn't France be at war with Austria, Naples-Sicily, Russia and Sweden - not only Britian?
no
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Raddeo on September 18, 2016, 10:38:44 pm
Nice, I was also sure that it's 1804 (thus my didaskalia in first post). And personally I'm quite surprised that it's already a year later. I believed that we all have a lot more time before things start.

Also, last time you mentioned anything about starting date was on the page 9 of this topic and it was
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There is one problem I thought of. If we are going to do 4 turns (of 3 months) per year, that means starting from January 1804, say, game end of December 1815, difference is about 12 years, so 4 x 12 is... 48 turns?
And before that on page 2
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I've also decided on the first possible start date of the game, which is January of 1804.

Both times we were supposed to start in 1804 :D Personally I would vote to change a date and start in 1804 as it was to be.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 18, 2016, 10:49:19 pm
Eh it doesn't really matter tbh
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Volk on September 18, 2016, 11:08:44 pm
Changed back to 1804. Resume as if nothing happened.

This will be interesting... this gives me more time to do some events for Furrnox.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Furrnox on September 19, 2016, 03:32:14 am
Lawerence you do realize France have been bullying Sardinia since the beginning of the Revolutionary wars right? Taking all of their lands on mainland Europe.
And now you want an alliance? Hello? You applaud me for taking the lombardian crown? HELLO? What's going on?

But hey the French Empire is pretty dank so I would probably do the same.  ::)
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Volk on September 19, 2016, 05:04:00 am
I have added a link to the title "Treaties". Clicking on it leads to a spreadsheet where I will detail diplomatic relations between nations. For example, wars, trade agreements, truces, non-aggression pacts, etc. This is just to help all of you and I remember and organize who's trading with who, who non-aggression pact'd who, etc.

Only public diplomatic relations will be put on the spreadsheet I have linked.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on September 19, 2016, 09:06:27 am
Jesus christ all these trade agreements
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Ted on September 19, 2016, 01:49:51 pm
I have added a link to the title "Treaties". Clicking on it leads to a spreadsheet where I will detail diplomatic relations between nations. For example, wars, trade agreements, truces, non-aggression pacts, etc. This is just to help all of you and I remember and organize who's trading with who, who non-aggression pact'd who, etc.

Only public diplomatic relations will be put on the spreadsheet I have linked.

Where did my Trade Agreements with Switzerland, Saxony and Portugal go?  :o
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Nightdragger on September 19, 2016, 03:24:24 pm
I have added a link to the title "Treaties". Clicking on it leads to a spreadsheet where I will detail diplomatic relations between nations. For example, wars, trade agreements, truces, non-aggression pacts, etc. This is just to help all of you and I remember and organize who's trading with who, who non-aggression pact'd who, etc.

Only public diplomatic relations will be put on the spreadsheet I have linked.

Where did my Trade Agreements with Switzerland, Saxony and Portugal go?  :o

Where did my Trade Agreements with Spain, Austria and the Ottoman Empire go?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 19, 2016, 03:42:38 pm
I think it's still a wip. I wouldn't really worry about it if your missing stuff
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Bravescot on September 19, 2016, 04:00:24 pm
Nativeman, do me proud as Switzerland. Show this rabble the power of the great jew nation!
A man can dream!
I know you will do well my child. Just do what I did; abuse the shit out of Volk's lack of knowledge.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Theodoor on September 19, 2016, 05:56:19 pm
Nativeman, do me proud as Switzerland. Show this rabble the power of the great jew nation!
A man can dream!
I know you will do well my child. Just do what I did; abuse the shit out of Volk's lack of knowledge.
I believe you've made your point about Volk. Shouldn't you be taking care of your 'personal problems' instead of criticizing others about something that you couldn't do yourself?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Reznov on September 19, 2016, 06:59:33 pm
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I believe you've made your point about Volk. Shouldn't you be taking care of your 'personal problems' instead of criticizing others about something that you couldn't do yourself?

Couldn't have said it better.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 19, 2016, 07:49:29 pm
Inb4 other EU nations think I'm a botch for paying the tribute
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Commander Bondage on September 19, 2016, 07:56:29 pm
Im relevant
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 19, 2016, 07:57:11 pm
Im relevant
no. Ur not
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Commander Bondage on September 19, 2016, 07:59:56 pm
Im relevant
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Volk on September 20, 2016, 02:53:46 am
I forgot to ask beforehand, just a simple question to all the players. I should keep the game (and things related to it) simple right? For example, no Soundcloud, special maps, etc. Those were fun and all but distracted from the basic game.

Just wanted to ask. I personally think I should revert back to simple "run the game" like Duuring and Caz.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 20, 2016, 03:03:06 am
Yes
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: DoctorWarband on September 20, 2016, 08:34:09 am
I liked those but if you think it's mindless effort then no.
It's your game, make the choices...
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Rhen on September 20, 2016, 12:05:46 pm
I don't want to be that guy, but, uh, shouldn't like there also be some sort of stated alliance between all the HRE members?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Ted on September 20, 2016, 12:44:11 pm
I liked those but if you think it's mindless effort then no.
It's your game, make the choices...

I would love to see some more detailed posts.
Posts that do consist out of one action only without any flag or roleplay are extremly boring in my opinion and make the gamethread look boring as well.

The Austrian Empire would like to accept all Trade Agreements(Portugal, Prussia).

We also begin to reform our military, as it is clear after the defeats in Italy changes have to be made!
Austria accepts all Trade Agreements that were offered.

^ Posts like this are not fit for a major power in my opinion, because playing like this is going to break the game the same way as it has happened before: Major powers do not really care about diplomacy and creative strategies in the game and make it unplayable for longer time.

No offense against Caz, but I just hate this playstyle because it looks like "Hey I'm Austria, I do not need to care because people can not mess with me anyways". Such playstyles have broken our games before and I would rather enjoy to NOT see it happen again.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 20, 2016, 02:34:54 pm
I hate it when players add a bunch of useless information and have really long posts that don't actually do anything.

I don't remember that play style ever breaking our games before. However, I do remember over detailed posts ruining our game

Also I think you might have gotten confused by what volk actually was asking. She was talking about updates being detailed, not individual players.

Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Raddeo on September 20, 2016, 06:02:32 pm
I'd also vote for detailed updates, as detailed as possible. Roleplaying is what makes this game interesting. I agree with Ted, that this also applies to players, those who can't write anything more that "I accept all offers" simply ruin the game.

Btw. for some of you guys, magical trick...
Code
[img height=150]LINK TO THE FLAG[/img]
Thanks to this piece of magic your flags won't take half of the screen ;)
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Lawrence on September 20, 2016, 06:23:08 pm
We should do a Pike and Shotte BoP next set in the 30 years war in Europe.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Ted on September 20, 2016, 06:29:29 pm
We should do a Pike and Shotte BoP next set in the 30 years war in Europe.

Ffs we have just started this BoP....

@BabyJ nope, I was referring to the players because DoctorWarband had allready posted something that covered my opinion on the matter, that's why I quoted him.

And yes, things like this killed our games before. A major power going rather afk and posting only two or three sentences per turn instead of taking part in actual diplomacy is completly breaking the game. Remember what happened when France went afk during the last BoP....

And @McLovin: Bold your actions please  ::)
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Bravescot on September 20, 2016, 06:37:53 pm
You know what, I got a lot of time to kill: Batavian Republic please. If I am permitted to play that is.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: DoctorWarband on September 20, 2016, 06:40:31 pm
You know what, I got a lot of time to kill: Batavian Republic please. If I am permitted to play that is.
Oh no, the Jew is back! (said the only real Jew here)
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Bravescot on September 20, 2016, 06:41:50 pm
You know what, I got a lot of time to kill: Batavian Republic please. If I am permitted to play that is.
Oh no, the Jew is back! (said the only real Jew here)
Native man is my true nation, but he was first and I respect that. He will carry on my legacy as the great jew of our times.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Nativemann on September 20, 2016, 06:57:30 pm
You know what, I got a lot of time to kill: Batavian Republic please. If I am permitted to play that is.
Oh no, the Jew is back! (said the only real Jew here)
Native man is my true nation, but he was first and I respect that. He will carry on my legacy as the great jew of our times.
I'll keep her alive for 'ya.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Furrnox on September 20, 2016, 06:57:56 pm
You know what, I got a lot of time to kill: Batavian Republic please. If I am permitted to play that is.

*France intergrates the Batavian Republic. xD
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Bravescot on September 20, 2016, 07:01:14 pm
You know what, I got a lot of time to kill: Batavian Republic please. If I am permitted to play that is.
*France intergrates the Batavian Republic. xD
Well shit xD
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Furrnox on September 20, 2016, 07:19:42 pm
in all seriousness I don't mind if you want to play the Batavian Republic.
But it's volks decision though.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 20, 2016, 08:52:40 pm
We should do a Pike and Shotte BoP next set in the 30 years war in Europe.

Ffs we have just started this BoP....

@BabyJ nope, I was referring to the players because DoctorWarband had allready posted something that covered my opinion on the matter, that's why I quoted him.

And yes, things like this killed our games before. A major power going rather afk and posting only two or three sentences per turn instead of taking part in actual diplomacy is completly breaking the game. Remember what happened when France went afk during the last BoP....

And @McLovin: Bold your actions please  ::)
France was actually afk. That's why the game was ruined. That is a little different than posts like caz's. I worked pretty closely with caz in 1914 (like honestly how did people actually think Ethiopia became a tech power on their own?). He responded to almost all my pms and he posted when he needs to.

Now it's kinda funny that you of all people are talking about ruining games. Multiple times you over complicated plans have led to huge issues. Too much details kills games much faster than too little detail.

Note: I had a different response typed out but I lost connection and the post was deleted. It was better written imo.

Some type of middle ground is probably best tbh
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Ted on September 20, 2016, 09:35:35 pm
We should do a Pike and Shotte BoP next set in the 30 years war in Europe.

Ffs we have just started this BoP....

@BabyJ nope, I was referring to the players because DoctorWarband had allready posted something that covered my opinion on the matter, that's why I quoted him.

And yes, things like this killed our games before. A major power going rather afk and posting only two or three sentences per turn instead of taking part in actual diplomacy is completly breaking the game. Remember what happened when France went afk during the last BoP....

And @McLovin: Bold your actions please  ::)
France was actually afk. That's why the game was ruined. That is a little different than posts like caz's. I worked pretty closely with caz in 1914 (like honestly how did people actually think Ethiopia became a tech power on their own?). He responded to almost all my pms and he posted when he needs to.

Now it's kinda funny that you of all people are talking about ruining games. Multiple times you over complicated plans have led to huge issues. Too much details kills games much faster than too little detail.

Note: I had a different response typed out but I lost connection and the post was deleted. It was better written imo.

Some type of middle ground is probably best tbh

Well, that's true. I still believe that the Emperor could at least use his flag though, but that's cosmetic  ::)  ;)

But seriously, I do not see how complicated plans ruin BoPs. Complicated stuff makes it interesting, having "Major Power X declares war on Miner Power Y and sends 10.000.000 men" instead makes it boring and ruins the game for the minor nations because the big one can ruin your whole setup with one poor sentence.




However, let's just keep our mouths shut about the matter on this point because we are here to play the game. I fear that my comments here could get a saltwave rollin' and that would really destroy the game.  :-X
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Bravescot on September 20, 2016, 09:42:01 pm
in all seriousness I don't mind if you want to play the Batavian Republic.
But it's volks decision though.
Aye that it is
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Volk on September 20, 2016, 11:58:33 pm
Based on what I've seen & heard of B-Scot & his attitude since being back, as well as prior knowledge, I've decided admitting B-Scot is not in the best interest of the BoP. He can ask again later.

Just a thing before you all start arguing again. Remember, this is still Turn 1. The point of the start is to make mistakes now & try different things (flags, formats, etc) so you can do better later. Don't be so hard on each other, just fix mistakes & errors then move on.  ;)

Also, whenever you all are ready I can update. I still see people setting up diplomatic relations, so whenever I get a general "Okay" I'll update.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 21, 2016, 12:07:30 am
I think I'm ready for an update
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Volk on September 21, 2016, 02:06:39 am
I've updated the diplomacy sheet. I've also made it so any nation that trades with France automatically trades with France's AI client states. This rule also applies to embargoes, non-aggression pacts, wars (starting wars at least), etc.

Edit: I am going to assume for simplicity's sake that if you are not trading with a nation then you are embargoing them.

Edit Edit: I have updated the diplomacy sheet. I advise you to check it regularly to make sure it is up to date. I will update it daily. To find your country's relations, just find your nation on the left side and go down the list of nations to see what specific relations you have with each nation.

Triple Edit: I've also figured out how to use the "Save Draft" mechanic that is on this Forum. I will create the update as a draft and continuously update and edit it until it is ready for publish following general player "Go Ahead".

Quadruple Edit Oh My: I've also decided that (although rare), major nation modifiers will be dynamic. For example if Prussia (this is just an extreme example) were to focus 100% on its expansion and training of its navy, then Prussia might get a +1 bonus to Naval combat if I deem it worthy of the bonus. These bonuses/changes will be extremely rare though, and will only be granted in the most extreme of cases or most specific circumstances.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 21, 2016, 04:51:40 am
Hmm can i have a great admiral? I found a Swedish admiral that was actually pretty good.

He was responsible for Sweden's victory in one of the largest naval battles in history, and the largest one in Baltic Sea history. Swedes were largely outnumbered and won a decisive victory. A1 if you ask me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Olof_Cronstedt (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Olof_Cronstedt)


give +1 plz. its not like i have any other good people :(

Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Furrnox on September 21, 2016, 05:01:26 am
Hmm can i have a great admiral? I found a Swedish admiral that was actually pretty good.

He was responsible for Sweden's victory in one of the largest naval battles in history, and the largest one in Baltic Sea history. Swedes were largely outnumbered and won a decisive victory. A1 if you ask me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Olof_Cronstedt (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Olof_Cronstedt)


give +1 plz. its not like i have any other good people :(



He also surrendered half the Swedish navy without battle in the siege of Sveaborg (1808) and was considered a traitor after that..

Then again that wasn't a battle and he did win Sweden the largest naval battle in Swedish history..

So I guess +1?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 21, 2016, 05:02:43 am
Hmm can i have a great admiral? I found a Swedish admiral that was actually pretty good.

He was responsible for Sweden's victory in one of the largest naval battles in history, and the largest one in Baltic Sea history. Swedes were largely outnumbered and won a decisive victory. A1 if you ask me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Olof_Cronstedt (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Olof_Cronstedt)


give +1 plz. its not like i have any other good people :(



He also surrendered half the Swedish navy without battle in the siege of Sveaborg (1808) and was considered a traitor after that..

Then again that wasn't a battle and he did win Sweden the largest naval battle in Swedish history..

So I guess +1?
in that siege, he also had some of the worst conditions possible. and if it really is that big of a deal jsut give him +1 for sea skillz and a -1 for sieges
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Furrnox on September 21, 2016, 05:19:36 am
Hmm can i have a great admiral? I found a Swedish admiral that was actually pretty good.

He was responsible for Sweden's victory in one of the largest naval battles in history, and the largest one in Baltic Sea history. Swedes were largely outnumbered and won a decisive victory. A1 if you ask me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Olof_Cronstedt (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Olof_Cronstedt)


give +1 plz. its not like i have any other good people :(



He also surrendered half the Swedish navy without battle in the siege of Sveaborg (1808) and was considered a traitor after that..

Then again that wasn't a battle and he did win Sweden the largest naval battle in Swedish history..

So I guess +1?
in that siege, he also had some of the worst conditions possible. and if it really is that big of a deal jsut give him +1 for sea skillz and a -1 for sieges

Hue hue >next turn "Carl Olof Cronstedt" get's relieved as commander of Sveaborg with immediate effect.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Bravescot on September 21, 2016, 05:41:22 am
Based on what I've seen & heard of B-Scot & his attitude since being back, as well as prior knowledge, I've decided admitting B-Scot is not in the best interest of the BoP. He can ask again later.

Yo Doctor, you own me! Told you I'd struck a nerve! Seems I didn't hit hard enough though because she came back after saying s/he never would return.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Raddeo on September 21, 2016, 05:47:15 am
Also, whenever you all are ready I can update. I still see people setting up diplomatic relations, so whenever I get a general "Okay" I'll update.

I'm also quite ready for on update.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 21, 2016, 05:57:37 am
Based on what I've seen & heard of B-Scot & his attitude since being back, as well as prior knowledge, I've decided admitting B-Scot is not in the best interest of the BoP. He can ask again later.

Yo Doctor, you own me! Told you I'd struck a nerve! Seems I didn't hit hard enough though because she came back after saying s/he never would return.
well with how your currently acting you would just cause problems. I mean go back and look at the posts you made since this bop started. Tbh your acting pretty childish right now, and that's coming from me
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Commander Bondage on September 21, 2016, 07:03:52 am
Based on what I've seen & heard of B-Scot & his attitude since being back, as well as prior knowledge, I've decided admitting B-Scot is not in the best interest of the BoP. He can ask again later.

Yo Doctor, you own me! Told you I'd struck a nerve! Seems I didn't hit hard enough though because she came back after saying s/he never would return.
Dude get a gf lol


Actually, don't. You'd be a shit boyfriend
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on September 21, 2016, 09:06:07 am
Also, whenever you all are ready I can update. I still see people setting up diplomatic relations, so whenever I get a general "Okay" I'll update.

I'm also quite ready for on update.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Bravescot on September 21, 2016, 09:07:02 am
well with how your currently acting you would just cause problems. I mean go back and look at the posts you made since this bop started. Tbh your acting pretty childish right now, and that's coming from me
Shall we have a look at some of the serial offenders that are often causing mayhem and yet are aloud back in? I am simply sowing discord and pointing out the mass floors all over the shop.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Furrnox on September 21, 2016, 09:51:20 am
I'm not 100% ready yet. But if the majority of people want an update now I guess ill live through it.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: DoctorWarband on September 21, 2016, 11:50:44 am
Based on what I've seen & heard of B-Scot & his attitude since being back, as well as prior knowledge, I've decided admitting B-Scot is not in the best interest of the BoP. He can ask again later.

Yo Doctor, you own me! Told you I'd struck a nerve! Seems I didn't hit hard enough though because she came back after saying s/he never would return.
Expected as much.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 21, 2016, 07:56:58 pm
I think I'm ready for an update
i take it back I'm not ready yet
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 21, 2016, 11:54:26 pm
I think I'm ready for an update
i take it back I'm not ready yet
i take it back I am ready
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Volk on September 22, 2016, 01:48:38 am
I've added the Great Admiral: Carl Olof Cronstedt for the Kingdom of Sweden. He is +1 to Naval combat only.

Updated Diplomacy sheet.

Am willing to update whenever people are ready.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Commander Bondage on September 22, 2016, 01:56:11 am
Im ready for update
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Volk on September 22, 2016, 04:36:11 am
Just a small question. How should I convey the update? In 1914 the GM was kind of like the world press, while in Enlightenment the writers were kind of like Medieval chroniclers who described battles and whatnot as "acts of God" etc. Should I just be simple and "this is what has happened, is happening, what looks like is happening, and what looks like might happen" or try to spin the update a certain way (like write it as if the game already happened and these are just chapters in a history book or something or the update is some American Boston or New York newspaper talking about "those Europeans")?

I'm "done" with the update as it stands right now, though clearly not everyone has moved or finished moving yet so I'm technically not done. If you all can't really think of anything then I'll just publish as just a normal update.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Raddeo on September 22, 2016, 05:40:11 am
So can we all now start demanding additional bonuses because some of our historical commanders have won some battles? If we're already taking about navy, Fyodor Ushakov have never lost a battle and never even lost any ship for example.

Concerning style of an update, I believe it's totally up to you. What I would disilke would be this "american newspaper" style, in which mightiest rulers of the world would be called "those europeans". But I believe that I've recently read some articles from English press from this period, and they were quite nice. A lot of "Their Majesties", etc. Anyway, surprise us with something nice ;)
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Dazzer on September 22, 2016, 02:15:21 pm
We should do a Pike and Shotte BoP next set in the 30 years war in Europe.
I love you
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 22, 2016, 02:43:38 pm
So can we all now start demanding additional bonuses because some of our historical commanders have won some battles? If we're already taking about navy, Fyodor Ushakov have never lost a battle and never even lost any ship for example.

Concerning style of an update, I believe it's totally up to you. What I would disilke would be this "american newspaper" style, in which mightiest rulers of the world would be called "those europeans". But I believe that I've recently read some articles from English press from this period, and they were quite nice. A lot of "Their Majesties", etc. Anyway, surprise us with something nice ;)
i never "demanded" anything I asked nicely :P. But anyways I think one of the reasons that volk was more willing to give me a bonus was because of Swedens lack of bonuses and close great power status. Like France has so many good generals, but obviously you won't give all of them bonuses. Also be won the biggest naval battle in Baltic Sea history. Get rekt Russia (I'm referring to his win over Russia not you, plz no take wrong way)
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on September 22, 2016, 04:34:16 pm
I feel like only the great powers of Europe, like Russia, Austria, the UK, France, Prussia and the Ottomans should be given bonuses. Else the game gets messed up.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 22, 2016, 04:51:03 pm
I feel like only the great powers of Europe, like Russia, Austria, the UK, France, Prussia and the Ottomans should be given bonuses. Else the game gets messed up.
sweden is great because Sweden is good
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on September 22, 2016, 05:12:08 pm
Nah Sweden's days are long gone
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 22, 2016, 05:18:29 pm
Nah Sweden's days are long gone
its only been like 100 years

And also you missed the Hilary reference.  :-[
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Cazasar on September 22, 2016, 05:21:15 pm
Better Ted?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 22, 2016, 06:07:27 pm
Isn't it winter rn which means no recruiting?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: DoctorWarband on September 22, 2016, 06:10:26 pm
Isn't it winter rn which means no recruiting?
no shh
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Nativemann on September 22, 2016, 06:14:16 pm
Isn't it winter rn which means no recruiting?
RIP
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Ted on September 22, 2016, 07:22:29 pm
Better Ted?

Yes I love it  :-*



Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Furrnox on September 22, 2016, 08:10:48 pm
Nah Sweden's days are long gone
its only been like 100 years

And also you missed the Hilary reference.  :-[

Keep politics to the politics thread, KAPPA.

McLovin seems to be forgetting the fact that they're one of Europes main suppliers of timber, iron and other naval supplies.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 22, 2016, 08:11:37 pm
Nah Sweden's days are long gone
its only been like 100 years

And also you missed the Hilary reference.  :-[

Keep politics to the politics thread, KAPPA.

McLovin seems to be forgetting the fact that they're one of Europes main supplies of timber, iron and other naval supplies.
and denmark was up there to
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Furrnox on September 22, 2016, 08:15:51 pm
I agree with Caz the French are a great thread!  ;)
Nah Sweden's days are long gone
its only been like 100 years

And also you missed the Hilary reference.  :-[

Keep politics to the politics thread, KAPPA.

McLovin seem to be forgetting the Swedish navy.
And the fact that they're one of Europes main supplies of timber, iron and other naval supplies.
swedish navy sucks. idk what your on about. they have good crews and stuff but not enough ships to capitalize
Fuck you man Sweden stronk.  ;)
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Ted on September 22, 2016, 08:50:43 pm
#Update
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 22, 2016, 08:51:31 pm
Ted, question. Was Bavaria still with Austria at this time or were they with France?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Raddeo on September 22, 2016, 08:53:42 pm
#Update
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Ted on September 22, 2016, 08:56:09 pm
Ted, question. Was Bavaria still with Austria at this time or were they with France?

Rather neutral
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on September 22, 2016, 10:15:58 pm
Right. I'm ready for an update.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Emperor Napoleon on September 23, 2016, 08:13:44 am
Right. I'm ready for an update.

+1
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Frederik on September 23, 2016, 03:06:49 pm
Right. I'm ready for an update.

+1
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: DoctorWarband on September 23, 2016, 04:20:03 pm
Right. I'm ready for an update.

+1
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Valkyrie on September 23, 2016, 04:53:29 pm
What a cringe fest
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on September 23, 2016, 04:57:09 pm
What a cringe fest

anime avatar
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 23, 2016, 06:54:14 pm
What a cringe fest

anime avatar
mclovin watches anime everyday. He told me irl when I went to the UK
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on September 23, 2016, 06:55:38 pm
What a cringe fest

anime avatar
mclovin watches anime everyday. He told me irl when I went to the UK

True  :'(
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Volk on September 23, 2016, 07:22:19 pm
Locked for update today. Speak up for time or send plans fast. Will finish once I get off work.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 23, 2016, 09:09:41 pm
Update hype?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Lawrence on September 24, 2016, 03:31:13 am
Update hype?
yes
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Volk on September 24, 2016, 06:17:55 am
Updated.

Will update Diplomacy Sheet soon.

Will update Treaties soon.

Edit: Also, before arguments erupt, yes Great Britain told me that they were stopping "all trade" in the Skagerrak.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 24, 2016, 06:29:16 am
So Britain attacks their allies and neutral nations? Interesting....

Also I won a battle even tho I'm technically not in a war. Ayy lmao
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Furrnox on September 24, 2016, 07:08:47 am
Pretty dank update.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Bravescot on September 24, 2016, 07:53:30 am
Pretty dank update.
I like this style of update better than 1914's. I must say my hat comes off.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Ted on September 24, 2016, 08:27:40 am
Britain has just sunk allied ships? Bye-bye coalition then....

That's one great update, keep your style like this!  :)
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Emperor Napoleon on September 24, 2016, 10:37:27 am
gg britain

Nice update too. I like the way you put the aggressive acts together and named them ;)
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Raddeo on September 24, 2016, 11:56:54 am
Technical question - why do all battles of this turn have -1 modifier? I believe it's season modifier, but winter only affects land battle, not sea ones.

And what is correct battle equation? In game rules you, Volk, have stated that it's
D10 Roll +/- General +/- Nation Modifier +/- Season +/- Season = Total Roll
But it doesn't make any sense seeing, that in all battles two last elements were different, so they cannot be the same season modifier. Shouldn't the last one be Doctrine modifier?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 24, 2016, 02:51:30 pm
UK should give back all the ships they sunk



Kappa123
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Volk on September 24, 2016, 04:05:54 pm

But it doesn't make any sense seeing, that in all battles two last elements were different, so they cannot be the same season modifier. Shouldn't the last one be Doctrine modifier?
It is indeed the doctrine modifier, I don't know why it says Season twice. Small change, have fixed. Apologies for confusion.

Edit: Just another thought. Should I change the Dice value from a D10 to a D30? When I was doing the naval battles and when I simulated other battles, I noticed that it was a bit hard to get a definitive and clear victor because the numbers are so low or so close together. Making it a D30 would allow more values in between and make more battles actually significant.

It would effectively triple the amount of possible casualties though.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: DoctorWarband on September 24, 2016, 05:22:46 pm

But it doesn't make any sense seeing, that in all battles two last elements were different, so they cannot be the same season modifier. Shouldn't the last one be Doctrine modifier?
It is indeed the doctrine modifier, I don't know why it says Season twice. Small change, have fixed. Apologies for confusion.

Edit: Just another thought. Should I change the Dice value from a D10 to a D30? When I was doing the naval battles and when I simulated other battles, I noticed that it was a bit hard to get a definitive and clear victor because the numbers are so low or so close together. Making it a D30 would allow more values in between and make more battles actually significant.

It would effectively triple the amount of possible casualties though.
Yes, please.
Imo the number of casualties per battle is absolutely unrealistic.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Ted on September 24, 2016, 05:44:26 pm
UK sinks Ottoman ships --> Ottomans are outraged --> UK tells Ottomans to shut the fuck up

I assume we are not going to see a real coalition form up against Napoleon now, but one against Britain instead.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Volk on September 24, 2016, 06:07:36 pm
Added an extra phrase to the last paragraph of the update. Helps clarify some meaning.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 24, 2016, 06:38:28 pm
Declares war on me but not France, Denmark, or any other of France's logic. Also completely ignores the fact that the UK attacked him

#WhatIsLogic

Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Raddeo on September 24, 2016, 06:42:38 pm
Logic is for the weak, real men of 19th century followed their hearts. Romanticism, you ever heard of it?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Volk on September 24, 2016, 06:44:23 pm
Logic is for the weak, real men of 19th century followed their hearts. Romanticism, you ever heard of it?
Isn't romanticism after Napoleon?

Also I forgot to say, it's Turn 2. Woo.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Raddeo on September 24, 2016, 06:52:23 pm
Before? Rather not. By most sources it started before 1800. But in the east it was a bit later, so if you're from the east (Russia I believe?) then it may indeed be after Napleon in your country.

Wooo! Turn 2! I've almost missed that change :D
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Furrnox on September 24, 2016, 07:21:06 pm
When roleplay falls apart I cry  :'(

I think people who just make non/bad rp wars should get penalties hue hue.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Raddeo on September 24, 2016, 07:25:34 pm
Also those who make non rp alliances, treaties, posts, decisions. I think we should open a theatre and perform some play about history of Europe. Then it would be fully historical.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 24, 2016, 07:25:43 pm
i still find it odd that everyone is declaring war on me for being an ally of France, instead of just France itself.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Volk on September 24, 2016, 07:31:28 pm
Everybody forgot about Denmark...
Spoiler
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fruskino.ru%2Ffilm%2F1012%2Fkadr%2F45988.jpg&hash=9d5b24c866d7842a3f43f515c6023f58f7455c89)
[close]
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 24, 2016, 07:34:41 pm
Everybody forgot about Denmark...
Spoiler
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fruskino.ru%2Ffilm%2F1012%2Fkadr%2F45988.jpg&hash=9d5b24c866d7842a3f43f515c6023f58f7455c89)
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who?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Raddeo on September 24, 2016, 07:40:18 pm
To avoid making mess in game topic...

Tsar Alexader believes that some people should educate themselves on the matter of punctuation, as it's difficult for him to read such walls of text.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Furrnox on September 24, 2016, 07:41:45 pm
I'm not at home ill fix my text later.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Superbad on September 24, 2016, 07:43:34 pm
This shit gonna be good.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Theodoor on September 24, 2016, 07:44:31 pm
Salcos, you've got a ton of trade agreements and other shit waiting for your approvement.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Volk on September 24, 2016, 08:11:45 pm
And the third coalition is born. Hype

Updated Wars and Treaties
Updated Diplomacy Chart
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Cazasar on September 24, 2016, 08:28:01 pm
mfw im not invited into the coalition
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Superbad on September 24, 2016, 08:49:24 pm
I should've joined in on the fun :/

I wouldn't know what I'd be doing
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Volk on September 24, 2016, 09:27:23 pm
I should've joined in on the fun :/

I wouldn't know what I'd be doing
You could join later as a new nation (Poland or something) if you don't want to play as a French Client state. It's not as hard as it looks
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Ted on September 24, 2016, 09:49:47 pm
When roleplay falls apart I cry  :'(

I think people who just make non/bad rp wars should get penalties hue hue.

+1
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Nightdragger on September 24, 2016, 09:59:53 pm
I should've joined in on the fun :/

I wouldn't know what I'd be doing
You could join later as a new nation (Poland or something) if you don't want to play as a French Client state. It's not as hard as it looks

He's playing austria. Austria as a Frnech Client state? Ofc, shure
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Volk on September 24, 2016, 10:00:56 pm
I should've joined in on the fun :/

I wouldn't know what I'd be doing
You could join later as a new nation (Poland or something) if you don't want to play as a French Client state. It's not as hard as it looks

He's playing austria. Austria as a Frnech Client state? Ofc, shure
Cazasar is Austria though?  ???
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Superbad on September 24, 2016, 10:55:08 pm
I'd want to be a nation where I can stay neutral so I can learn the basics and shit
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Glenn on September 24, 2016, 11:43:46 pm
I'd want to be a nation where I can stay neutral so I can learn the basics and shit

somebody give him Mexico
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Volk on September 24, 2016, 11:51:06 pm
I'd want to be a nation where I can stay neutral so I can learn the basics and shit
He could be the United States, but really all he'd do is be a useless ghost posting and not having an actual impact on the game. Even if the War of 1812 happened, since everything would just be happening off the map with no real input. More of a spectator really.

There's also Morocco. But you know, Morocco.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 24, 2016, 11:57:26 pm
I'd want to be a nation where I can stay neutral so I can learn the basics and shit
He could be the United States, but really all he'd do is be a useless ghost posting and not having an actual impact on the game. Even if the War of 1812 happened, since everything would just be happening off the map with no real input. More of a spectator really.

There's also Morocco. But you know, Morocco.
morocco had a war with the uS
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Volk on September 24, 2016, 11:58:56 pm
I'd want to be a nation where I can stay neutral so I can learn the basics and shit
He could be the United States, but really all he'd do is be a useless ghost posting and not having an actual impact on the game. Even if the War of 1812 happened, since everything would just be happening off the map with no real input. More of a spectator really.

There's also Morocco. But you know, Morocco.
morocco had a war with the uS
The Barbary States had a war with the US, Morocco was the first nation to recognize America as a country. They're also the nation with the only unbroken friendship with America, no wars or anything between them.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Superbad on September 25, 2016, 12:09:47 am
Is it time to make America great again?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: DoctorWarband on September 25, 2016, 06:13:50 am
Is it time to make America great again?
It is time to make America great. Not again. To mame it for the first time!
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Volk on September 25, 2016, 04:33:56 pm
Changed dice value to a D-30. That should make things more pitched.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 25, 2016, 05:31:25 pm
Changed dice value to a D-30. That should make things more pitched.
rip napoleons. Opness
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 25, 2016, 06:04:14 pm
It's always quiet before death
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Furrnox on September 25, 2016, 06:07:48 pm
RIP France.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Raddeo on September 25, 2016, 06:09:05 pm
As we're already talking about dices and battle rules. I want to bring here something you've explained to me in PW, as it still seems to me strange I'd like others to express their opinions.
According to your equation, result of dice roll shows percent of troops player loses after battle. And that's fine. But it means, that if one player uses, for example 100k troops, while the other only 10k and they both get, lets say, 15 on the dice, then first player looses 15k men, while the other only 1,5k. It means, that having more troops is disadvantage in the battle, as you may lose much more units in single battle. And, a bit hypothetically of course, it would be wiser to send 1 man to the battle and keep 99 999 men as reserve for next battles, than to use whole 100k, as this one man will kill the same amount of enemies as would 100k.
Wouldn't it me more realistic, if result of the roll showed how many of your men achieved to kill one of the enemies? Then player with 100k would kill 15k of enemy men, and player with 10k would kill 1,5k. Equation would be of course changed a bit then, to allow situations where army kills more men that it has itself. Smaller army may still win the battle and force the enemy to fall back and slower their movements by having larger result of dice roll, but even then it would be much less probable to totally destroy bigger army (yet, historically correct, it would still be possible with series of lucky rolls in following battles). What do you guys think about such idea?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 25, 2016, 06:24:23 pm
So much math
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Nightdragger on September 25, 2016, 06:31:07 pm
As we're already talking about dices and battle rules. I want to bring here something you've explained to me in PW, as it still seems to me strange I'd like others to express their opinions.
According to your equation, result of dice roll shows percent of troops player loses after battle. And that's fine. But it means, that if one player uses, for example 100k troops, while the other only 10k and they both get, lets say, 15 on the dice, then first player looses 15k men, while the other only 1,5k. It means, that having more troops is disadvantage in the battle, as you may lose much more units in single battle. And, a bit hypothetically of course, it would be wiser to send 1 man to the battle and keep 99 999 men as reserve for next battles, than to use whole 100k, as this one man will kill the same amount of enemies as would 100k.
Wouldn't it me more realistic, if result of the roll showed how many of your men achieved to kill one of the enemies? Then player with 100k would kill 15k of enemy men, and player with 10k would kill 1,5k. Equation would be of course changed a bit then, to allow situations where army kills more men that it has itself. Smaller army may still win the battle and force the enemy to fall back and slower their movements by having larger result of dice roll, but even then it would be much less probable to totally destroy bigger army (yet, historically correct, it would still be possible with series of lucky rolls in following battles). What do you guys think about such idea?

I like this idea :P

Sounds complicated, but once you figured it out it's very simple. I like it.
Now: result of dice roll shows percent of troops player loses after battle

What it should like: result of dice roll shows percent of enemie tr loses after battle
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Volk on September 25, 2016, 06:36:06 pm
 ??? You lost me after 100k.

If the concern is "Why send large armies if 1 man can theoretically kill 30% of their army?"

First of all that's power gaming straight & simple so I wouldn't allow it.

Secondly, if the difference in men is abysmally great or the battle is not started by the smaller force, let's say 30 thousand frenchies pounce upon a force of 4 thousand Prussians, the Prussian force could outright surrender if no option besides annihilation is available.

Furthermore, like we discussed and I think I also explained to another person who asked, theoretically a smaller force could win/ simply not lose against a larger force, say 8 thousand Russian rearguard vs 30 thousand Frenchmen. Theoretically the Russians could win/not lose yes, but they would probably be damaged so severely that, if forced into battle again, they would be annihilated or surrender immediately. It's all strategy; either fight for a long time or win once but be forced to surrender that army right after, etc.

Edit: I realise where you went wrong. You read my equation wrong. Your dice roll is the damage you inflicted upon the enemy, not the damage you take as you interpreted it.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Ted on September 25, 2016, 06:39:17 pm
Changed dice value to a D-30. That should make things more pitched.

I really think Napoleon should be given a better modfier as well then. Wellington said Napoleon on the battlefield was worth forty thousand men, so let's give Napoleon something better then his current bonus. +9 or +10 would be legit according to the old bonus/dice ratio.
Over all every bonus should be raised due to the new D30 in my opinion.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Volk on September 25, 2016, 06:41:32 pm
Changed dice value to a D-30. That should make things more pitched.

I really think Napoleon should be given a better modfier as well then. Wellington said Napoleon on the battlefield was worth forty thousand men, so let's give Napoleon something better then his current bonus. +9 or +10 would be legit according to the old bonus/dice ratio.
Over all every bonus should be raised due to the new D30 in my opinion.
I did triple the D-10 to a D-30. For balance I could just triple everything else as well. IE Napoleon = +9, Doctrine = +3, etc.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: Ted on September 25, 2016, 06:42:32 pm
Changed dice value to a D-30. That should make things more pitched.

I really think Napoleon should be given a better modfier as well then. Wellington said Napoleon on the battlefield was worth forty thousand men, so let's give Napoleon something better then his current bonus. +9 or +10 would be legit according to the old bonus/dice ratio.
Over all every bonus should be raised due to the new D30 in my opinion.
I did triple the D-10 to a D-30. For balance I could just triple everything else as well. IE Napoleon = +9, Doctrine = +3, etc.

^ Yup, that would be good.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Raddeo on September 25, 2016, 06:56:13 pm
Volk, is 100k wrong? Would it be better to calculate 17% of 32572 men just to make it realistic? :D It was an example, not quote from historical book. It was to make it simple, not to make it realistic.
So let's talk in the language of math, it's more universal.
me_after_battle = me_before_battle - (enemy_roll * me_before_battle)
That's current equation as far as I know, right? What I propose is
me_after_battle = me_before_battle - (enemy_roll * enemy_before_battle)
Do you see it now? In your second example, why shouldn't Frenchies send only about 4 or 8 thousand into battle? Of course beside argument of "they don't know how many enemies there is", which is weak, for I can always write in orders, that I want to use in battle only as many men as enemy has. By using only 4k result of battle would be exactly the same, but they would lose almost 10 times less men. Of course, I don't take into consideration option of you, as GM, introducing deus ex machina to magically change the fate of battle. I'm talking about math only, so I assume that battle do take place, that no magical events happen, that it's normal typical battle. I do understand, that even with current equation bigger force may win after suffering significant loses. But I still do not understand why would one indeed use big army to suffer such loses, if he could order most of troops to stand just few metres from the field and survive without any influence on the result of battle.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Reservations Open]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 25, 2016, 09:10:23 pm
Changed dice value to a D-30. That should make things more pitched.

I really think Napoleon should be given a better modfier as well then. Wellington said Napoleon on the battlefield was worth forty thousand men, so let's give Napoleon something better then his current bonus. +9 or +10 would be legit according to the old bonus/dice ratio.
Over all every bonus should be raised due to the new D30 in my opinion.
I did triple the D-10 to a D-30. For balance I could just triple everything else as well. IE Napoleon = +9, Doctrine = +3, etc.
pls do
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Raddeo on September 25, 2016, 09:37:57 pm
So Napoleon would automaticaly kill 12% of every army? Sick idea for me, I vote against. If I were you I would rather change addition to multiplying to balance bonuses. Equation would be then
result = roll * (1 +  bonuses)
and give 0.3 to Napoleon, 0.1 to doctrine, etc. Then, if he rolls 30 so the battle goes especially well, he would indeed kill additional 12%. But if he rolls 1 and the battle goes like a shit, he would kill almost no additional units. That's what I would consider to do if I were you. But even then I believe these bonuses would be too huge. 12% can easily win any war.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Volk on September 25, 2016, 11:03:56 pm
So Napoleon would automaticaly kill 12% of every army? Sick idea for me, I vote against. If I were you I would rather change addition to multiplying to balance bonuses. Equation would be then
result = roll * (1 +  bonuses)
and give 0.3 to Napoleon, 0.1 to doctrine, etc. Then, if he rolls 30 so the battle goes especially well, he would indeed kill additional 12%. But if he rolls 1 and the battle goes like a shit, he would kill almost no additional units. That's what I would consider to do if I were you. But even then I believe these bonuses would be too huge. 12% can easily win any war.
??? But 3 x 3 = 9 not 12? Honestly Raddeo, your math isn't making sense to me in numerous sections. It looks like you're trying to find the % of damage an army receives instead of the % of damage an army gives? It feels like it's making something simple into something overly complicated.

Are you sure you understood my equation right? My equation is to find how much damage (in %) that side deals to the other. So if it's Roll of 10 + Kutuzov + Fighting in Russia + Summer + Frederick's Tactics, that means the equation is (10 + 6 + 1 + 0 + 0) which is 17, which means you roll a 17, and damage 17% of the enemy army. Then let's say America rolls a 1 with no good modifiers, that means they have a critical failure and only barely damage 1% of Kutuzov's army. In purely battle terms, that means 17% of America's troops are casualties and only 1% of yours are casualties. In game terms, it means Kutuzov's forces won a major victory, and that that particular American Army basically implodes following that disastrous battle, with the remnants fleeing, surrendering, being killed, or going missing.

Going deeper though, let's say the America player tried to Power Game and only sent 10k vs your, let's say, 60k. Because the battle was not only a critical failure for that American Army, but because there is such a massive gap between the forces, I could make it so that "battle was total disaster, almost 1/5th of army was killed in combat, rest were hunted down by Russia's pursuing Hussars and Cossacks. Remaining men were captured or are missing in action. Russian casualties were basically insignificant. Army is annihilated." And then going even deeper, that one battle might effectively ruin the America player's plans or their whole overarching strategy (in this hypothetical situation).

I think my equation is fine. I don't see the need to over complicate it or start adding multipliers and dividers into it. If you really want to change it, give it some turns and battles and we'll talk about it then; however, I think you should review your equation and simulate it before trying to change mine.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Raddeo on September 26, 2016, 12:02:07 am
Last thing I want is to argue with you on this matter, but I'm mathematician, my math is probably fine ;) And it's the only reason why I've proposed my versions - for math should always make sense and be perfectly logical. I'm afraid your equations aren't.
Napoleon always uses Napoleonic Tactics. So 3*3 + 1*3 = 12. Much magic.

And I do understand your equation, really, I do.
D30 Roll +/- General +/- Nation Modifier +/- Season +/- Doctrine = Total Roll
After changes proposed by you, fighting as Napoleon and having roll of 1
1 + 9 (Napoleon) + 0 (no bonus for France I believe) + 0 + 3 (Napoleonic Doctrine) = 13
Even though battle was total disaster, roll was worst possible, soldiers were imbeciles and reserves of powder were so poor, that they had to use baguettes in fight, Napoleon kills 13% of any army he encounter. Even starting battle against Napoleon means, that 13% of your army will be destroyed. No matter what you do. No matter how many men he has. No matter anything. Don't even try to attack, for after few battles Napoleon will destroy even the greatest army with power of his beautiful face only. And to talk about others also, not only Napoleon, Russian winter with Kutuzow also won't let anyone win any battle. 10% of any army will be killed in every battle. Fight against forces 10 times weaker than yours and you'll still lose 10% because of awesomeness of Kutuzow.
With my proposition
D30 Roll * (1 + General + Nation + Season + Doctrine) = Total Roll
With D30 Roll of 1 we have
1 * (1 + 0.3 + 0 + 0 + 0.1) = 1*1.4 = 1.4
Battle was a disaster, even Napoleon cannot save it, he kills only 1,4% of enemies.
With D30 Roll of 30 we have
30 * (1 + 0.3 + 0 + 0 + 0.1) = 30*1.4 = 42
Battle was a great success and thanks to his amazing skills Napoleon achieved to kill 12% more enemies.
Now starting battle against Napoleon means that at least 1.4% of your army will be destroyed, but you have to be aware, that in worst case scenario his skills will allow him to destroy almost half of your forces. Do attack, but do it with caution.
That's concerning the first equation.
Concerning the second equation - in fact it's your equation that find damage army receives. For it's percent of soldiers that will be killed. 
me_after_battle = me_before_battle - (enemy_roll * me_before_battle)
That's your equation (or at least you claimed so in PW). Percent is multiplicated by army that receives damage. So it's damage received, even though bonuses are from side that deals damage. That's how math works. Army A rolls for damage received by army B. It's percent of soldiers that receive damage (roll is 15, so 15% of B's army is killed, so army B receives damage of 15%). In equation proposed by me
me_after_battle = me_before_battle - (enemy_roll * enemy_before_battle)
roll is damage dealt by an army. Army A rolls for damage given to army B (roll is 15, so 15% of A's soldiers achieved to kill one enemy, so army A gives damage of 15%).

Anyway, I wanted to ask other players to give their opinion, not start argument with you. That wasn't really my aim, so, to avoid further arguments, unless you prove me wrong or other player ask for explanation, I won't continue to explain my ideas. It was a proposition, not an attempt to force you to do anything. So if neither players nor you are interested in it, I won't try to convince you any further, as I really don't want to try to force you to anything ;)

Btw. in your hypothetical situation any equation doesn't even matter, for after lost of 17% of men you destroy whole army. And all my propositions are about situations in which both armies survives and continue campaigns after suffering loses. If every battle ends in one side being totally destroyed after losing not even 1/5 of men, then case is closed, sorry for time I took from you with this discussion, as we're discussing something that doesn't matter.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 26, 2016, 12:34:29 am
Napoleon is suppose to be op. Especially when you consider half of Europe declared war on him and completely ignores when one nation attacks their ships

#StillSaltyAboutLackofRP
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Furrnox on September 26, 2016, 02:08:29 am
Napoleon is suppose to be op. Especially when you consider half of Europe declared war on him and completely ignores when one nation attacks their ships

#StillSaltyAboutLackofRP

#StillSaltyAboutLackofRP

Let's make it a trading # on twitter.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Volk on September 26, 2016, 03:01:51 am
Spoiler

Concerning the second equation - in fact it's your equation that find damage army receives. For it's percent of soldiers that will be killed. 
me_after_battle = me_before_battle - (enemy_roll * me_before_battle)
That's your equation (or at least you claimed so in PW). Percent is multiplicated by army that receives damage. So it's damage received, even though bonuses are from side that deals damage. That's how math works. Army A rolls for damage received by army B. It's percent of soldiers that receive damage (roll is 15, so 15% of B's army is killed, so army B receives damage of 15%). In equation proposed by me
me_after_battle = me_before_battle - (enemy_roll * enemy_before_battle)
roll is damage dealt by an army. Army A rolls for damage given to army B (roll is 15, so 15% of A's soldiers achieved to kill one enemy, so army A gives damage of 15%).


Ah I see what you did. It is kind of like the equation I made for BoP 1914. What I did not understand was how you used your Roll to determine casualties and Battle Result. I understand your "2nd equation(?)" now, as in how Roll is applied to determine casualties.
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We should seriously make a math thread in the Mess Hall. The amount of math we've done just here is insane.

So I took your equation and mine and simulated both in a mock battle between 2 armies, a 60 thousand strong French army and an 80 thousand strong Russian army. I made the rolls 40 for France and 30 for Russia for simulation purposes and plugged them into both equations. Here's what I got.

Raddeo's Casualty Equation
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi66.tinypic.com%2Fjb4xdz.png&hash=1a243bafc9157a8f378a0b4370420b6377d36a98)

R = Roll
C = Casualties
A = Army (Or Army_After_Battle)
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Volk's Casualty Equation
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi68.tinypic.com%2Fets95x.png&hash=fd355695a34180dbcea11087d0b54a2ce65a7de6)

R = Roll
D = Damage (as in how much damage that force dealt)
A = Army (Or Army_After_Battle)
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There is obviously a significant difference between both results. Although the French Army has won by a considerable margin, the army was worse off in Raddeo's equation than in mine. Which would make sense in Raddeo's equation, as he calculates how many of your men killed somebody. However, it does make the battle much more pyrhic for France, as Raddeo's equation favors those with larger armies. I plugged the same numbers into my equation and got the above result.

I decided to test Raddeo's equation with the battle I devised my equation from: the battle of Austerlitz. I devised my equation when I was researching the game, and used the Battle of Austerlitz, Borodino, and Wagram as examples, but Austerlitz is my favorite so I used that one.

First I demonstrate how I devised my equation from scratch. I knew what France and the allies (for simplicity's sake I simply called them Russia) started with, and I knew the casualties of the battle for both sides. So I had to connect in some way the starting army to it's casualties.
Austerlitz Equation
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi65.tinypic.com%2Fnew2tl.png&hash=d18708485a7074bdfe5adbbaeacd61a2b8dc5c79)

I didn't bother multiplying X by the population, which is algebraically what you're supposed to do, since the outcome would be the same. I did, however, multiply X by the army population in my notebook when I was first developing the game.

D = Damage that army dealt. I knew that the French Army inflicted 36 thousand casualties on the Russians, and the Russians only dealt 9000 casualties to the French. So I have to find a relationship or connection between the two.

I divided the part by the whole and found that that the "Russians" lost 42% of their army, while the French lost only 13% of their army. Now, how could I simulate this in a game sense? I could try a system like BoP 1914, but that was for a different type of warfare and I had used a D-100 for that system. So how could I make it so the France player, or any other player for that matter, could damage 43% of the enemy army? That's when I developed my other equation, the Roll + General etc etc  = Total Roll equation. Then I could just take the Total Roll and convert it into "Damage". IE "France dealt 43% damage to Russia at the Battle of Austerlitz, and Russia dealt 13% damage to France at the Battle of Austerlitz."

My thought process was to make it a D-40 and have minor modifiers to allow people (France) to reach that magic 43%. (I chose 43% because it was the highest % of casualties for an army I've found in a major battle. Borodino both sides lost around 20% of their armies, etc. Waterloo France lost 36% roughly of their army to combat, many more missing/fled, while Allies lost roughly 16% of their armies from combat, with many more missing/fled.

I also contemplated a D-50 but I thought it would be too high and give an unfair advantage to France and the Great Powers in general since they'd have the only positive modifiers in the game (that was my thought process at the time.) I decided on a D-10, however it was just temporary until I could simulate more. If it worked out well, or if I simply had to for example multiply the entire Total Roll by some number like I did in BoP 1914 to get casualties I would've just done that. However, D-10 was not to my liking so I switched it back to my original pick of D-30 and here we are now.
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Now that we know the %'s of the armies that were casualties (killed wounded captured), we theoretically know the rolls of both sides. Since we now know the rolls of both sides, I plugged the rolls into both our equations to see what our equations have to say about the Battle of Austerlitz.

Raddeo's Equation Simulating the battle of Austerlitz as a BoP Battle
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Volk's Equation Simulating the Battle of Austerlitz as a BoP Battle
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2 things are made clear. One is that my equation is more accurate towards history, however that is a given and biased considering this battle is what I devised my equation on, so I'm basically checking my work.

The second thing made clear is that Raddeo's equation favors larger armies, and that's perfectly fine. However, as Napoleon, other French Generals, allied generals, and Russian Generals fighting against the Persians and Turks in the same time period have shown, it's that larger armies don't always necessarily triumph or necessarily do well against smaller ones, especially in this time period. For examples, the Battle of Battle of Schöngrabern aka Bagration Clutch Master, Battle of Auerstadt aka Davout Clutch Master, etc etc. In the Russo Persian War, the Russian Army in the theatre never grew past 10 thousand men yet did exceptionally well against the Persian Armies, with one battle resulting in 2000 Russians stomping 30,000 Persians (it was a surprise night attack, but still, look at the casualties). Putting too much advantage into large armies effectively makes the amazing battles of Austerlitz, Jena-Auerstadt, etc actually impossible. Which would be a tragedy; because of these awesome battles and miraculous victories by all nations in this time period people like us are so fascinated by it that we spend hours creating, debating, playing and arguing a game to simulate this time period. It might look like it's just to make France OP, in particular Napoleon, but really every nation had some OP-ness.  :-[

I do like your previous equation a bit though. The Total Roll finding one. Although if I had to use it I might change it slightly because it would effectively nerf all the generals with modifiers attached to them.

I swear some threads should be made for different subjects. Covering Math and History and whatnot. Hell, you could make an entire section devoted to helping people get through classes in College and whatnot just with the amount of information that passes through the forum on a daily basis.

Also remember, the game isn't just battles and casualties. Like what was shown in Turn 1's naval skirmishes, battles will happen sure, but the strategies and plans that you give me for what to do in the many scenarios a battle might create affect equally, if not more, the outcomes of said battles. If you say "if we get attacked fight, but pull away to safety at the soonest possible chance. I just want to test the enemy strength" that might influence the result, while "get stuck in, if we are engaged fight to the death, if we fall upon them never stop pursuing" might result in you losing the first battle, but because of your plans you maybe attack twice, three times, etc in the same turn.

TL:DR - One equation gives larger armies an advantage. This time period proves that larger army /=/ advantage. May edit equation(s) either way depending on input.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 26, 2016, 03:57:08 am
im happy im not a gm
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Volk on September 26, 2016, 04:02:49 am
im happy im not a gm

 :-[
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Superbad on September 26, 2016, 04:13:49 am
Fuck math.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Commander Bondage on September 26, 2016, 05:10:59 am
Fuck math.
Thats why I dropped out
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Furrnox on September 26, 2016, 05:45:58 am
Fuck math.
Thats why I dropped out

Game or school?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 26, 2016, 04:59:49 pm
Fuck math.
Thats why I dropped out

Game or school?
he dropped out of life
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Commander Bondage on September 26, 2016, 05:11:35 pm
Fuck math.
Thats why I dropped out

Game or school?
he dropped out of life
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on September 26, 2016, 07:18:52 pm
Edited the coalition to include Austria also.
Mistake when typing it..
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Cazasar on September 26, 2016, 07:26:31 pm
Edited the coalition to include Austria also.
Mistake when typing it..
yay
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Volk on September 26, 2016, 07:27:05 pm
Edited the coalition to include Austria also.
Mistake when typing it..
Updated Austria's relations in spreadsheet. (Remind me to update alliances. Spreadsheets on mobile don't allow custom colors)
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Raddeo on September 26, 2016, 09:31:04 pm
By the message I've received from you, Volk, I believe that I'm allowed (or even encouraged) to continue my little mathematical-historical lecture here. You are not aware what kind of demon you've awaken by encouraging me to speak there :D

Are you aware, that your example with Battle of Austerlitz is totally wrong? It is wrong not because you've based your equation on this battle - it's wrong, for you use your own equation to calculate rolls of both sides, and then you claim that they don't fit into my equation. You start with your equation, then calculate roll out of it, and then once more put this roll into the same equation. No matter what battle you take, it will seem correct, for you calulate totally nothing. Your whole calculations can be shortened to 1=1, so they are true no matter what strengths and loses you put at the beginning, no matter what you do. You basically use your own equation to prove that it's correct. So whole your proof is based on the assumption, that it's correct. You assume that your equation is correct, and then you use this assumption to prove that it's correct. That's something that cannot be done in math, it's middle school level of mathematics. Below I present you mathematical proof, that your calculations are wrong.
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I'm using here following symbols:
A - strenght of one army before the battle
B- strenght of second army before the battle
x_A - roll of army A
x_B - roll of army B
A' - strenght of army A after the battle
B' - strenght of army B after the battle
A' = A - (A * x_b)              that's your basic equation to calculate number of troops after the battle
A - A' = A * x_b                just some transfomations
x_b = A/A - A'/A               that's the very equation that gave you rolls of 42 and 13 for the battle of Austerlitz
now let's place it back in your original equation (so we'll do what you've done to "calculate" loses of both sides and "prove" your equation to be correct)
A' = A - (A * x_b)             we start with basic equation of course and put there calculated x_b
A' = A - (A * (A/A - A'/A))
A' = A - (A - A')                we've multiplied the inner bracket
A' = A - A + A'                 we're almost there
A' = A'                             no matter what numbers we put in your logic, result is always A' = A', so it's correct no matter of used numbers. Thus you've proved nothing.
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But I've done something else, about what I've not thought before. I've indeed simulated 100 000 battles using our both equations, input data from battle of Austerlitz and pseudo-random generator to simulate D30 rolls. Then I've calculated avarage result of the battle using both equations. Below I present the results of this simulation
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Firstly I've simulated it using D30 only, without any additional bonuses
France by Volk: 56293
Russia by Volk: 72495
France by Raddeo: 53637
Russia by Raddeo: 74311
France by History: 58000
Russia by History: 49400

How we can see, none of our equations can simulate results of this battle.

Secondly, I've added proposed bonuses - with addition for your equation, and multiplying for mine. I've assumed that it's summer, leaders are Bonaparte and Alexander, battle takes place outside Russia and only France uses new tactics. So to sum up, +12 for France and - 9 for Russia in your equation, and *1.4 for France and *0.7 for Russia in mine. Here are the results.
France by Volk: 67041
Russia by Volk: 60892
France by Raddeo: 57713
Russia by Raddeo: 70417
France by History: 58000
Russia by History: 49400

My equation achieved to quite well calculate loses of French side, but failed to calulate loses of bigger Russian army. Your equation gave almost no loses to France (due to huge negative "bonus" for Russia), but achieved to simulate overall proportion of troops after the battle.

But to gain better view at the real ability of equations to simulate battle I've performer several additional tests, this time only in the second version, using all bonuses.

Battle of Leipzig
France by Volk: 199603
Coalition by Volk: 271942
France by Raddeo: 172817
Coalition by Raddeo: 327569
France by History: 167000
Coalition by History: 326000

My equation almost perfectly calculated forces after the battle. Yours missed a bit more and gave better results to the weaker side. I gave bonuses for Napoleon and Tactics to France, and reduced roll for Coalition for Russians outside Russia and for Alexander, but gave them +1 (according to old notation) for Schwazenberg and austrian units (to make them a little stronger than clear russian army).

Battle of Jena-Auerstedt
France by Volk: 57253
Prussia by Volk: 89445
France by Raddeo: 48599
Prussia by Raddeo: 105793
France by History: 60170
Prussia by History: 82500

This time your equation achieved to better simulate the battle, results after battle are quite close to real outcome. My equation created bigger gap between fighting armies.

Battle of Landshut
Austria by Volk: 30989
France by Volk: 55351
Austria by Raddeo: 21253
France by Raddeo: 69046
Austria by History: 26500
France by History: 74000

My equation was much closer to the historical results, as it was battle won by stronger force which is always prefered by my equation.

Finally, battle of Waterloo
France by Volk: 54259
UK by Volk: 86498
France by Raddeo: 49642
UK by Raddeo: 102676
France by History: 32000
UK by History: 94000

This time, both our results have missed a bit. But mine gave bigger advantage to winning side, while your helped losing one.
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So as we can clearly see - it's not possible to correctly calculate results of every battle (or even just major battles) with such simple equations. Results of battle depends on multiple factors - used tactics, generals, technology, weather, terrain, condition of troops, and many, many more. If you wish Volk, I could try to mathematically create such equation basing it on multiple historical battles, but job of GM to balance the factions then would be indeed terrible. For now, all those factors are simulated by D30 roll. Differently, amount of troops is not random, so it should be in logical way included into the mechanics. So as we cannot simulate result of battle with our equations, we shouldn't try to argue which equation can do it better. So should argue about which is more logical. And it is not logical to punish player for having bigger army (as your equation do). Historically bigger army was always advantage. But other factors may also change the result of battle. Russians won battles against Persians because they had better technology, better tactics, better trained troops, not because they used fewer troops. Using more troops would allow them to win these battles even easier. And according to your equation having bigger army is disadvantage what is irrational. If you want to realistically simulate the battles you should work a bit more on the bonuses for technology, tactics and generals. But that may easily destroy the balance of the game.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Commander Bondage on September 26, 2016, 09:34:38 pm
I dream of a day where Salcos will finally post something
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: DoctorWarband on September 26, 2016, 09:41:42 pm
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By the message I've received from you, Volk, I believe that I'm allowed (or even encouraged) to continue my little mathematical-historical lecture here. You are not aware what kind of demon you've awaken by encouraging me to speak there :D

Are you aware, that your example with Battle of Austerlitz is totally wrong? It is wrong not because you've based your equation on this battle - it's wrong, for you use your own equation to calculate rolls of both sides, and then you claim that they don't fit into my equation. You start with your equation, then calculate roll out of it, and then once more put this roll into the same equation. No matter what battle you take, it will seem correct, for you calulate totally nothing. Your whole calculations can be shortened to 1=1, so they are true no matter what strengths and loses you put at the beginning, no matter what you do. You basically use your own equation to prove that it's correct. So whole your proof is based on the assumption, that it's correct. You assume that your equation is correct, and then you use this assumption to prove that it's correct. That's something that cannot be done in math, it's middle school level of mathematics. Below I present you mathematical proof, that your calculations are wrong.
Spoiler
I'm using here following symbols:
A - strenght of one army before the battle
B- strenght of second army before the battle
x_A - roll of army A
x_B - roll of army B
A' - strenght of army A after the battle
B' - strenght of army B after the battle
A' = A - (A * x_b)              that's your basic equation to calculate number of troops after the battle
A - A' = A * x_b                just some transfomations
x_b = A/A - A'/A               that's the very equation that gave you rolls of 42 and 13 for the battle of Austerlitz
now let's place it back in your original equation (so we'll do what you've done to "calculate" loses of both sides and "prove" your equation to be correct)
A' = A - (A * x_b)             we start with basic equation of course and put there calculated x_b
A' = A - (A * (A/A - A'/A))
A' = A - (A - A')                we've multiplied the inner bracket
A' = A - A + A'                 we're almost there
A' = A'                             no matter what numbers we put in your logic, result is always A' = A', so it's correct no matter of used numbers. Thus you've proved nothing.
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But I've done something else, about what I've not thought before. I've indeed simulated 100 000 battles using our both equations, input data from battle of Austerlitz and pseudo-random generator to simulate D30 rolls. Then I've calculated avarage result of the battle using both equations. Below I present the results of this simulation
Spoiler
Firstly I've simulated it using D30 only, without any additional bonuses
France by Volk: 56293
Russia by Volk: 72495
France by Raddeo: 53637
Russia by Raddeo: 74311
France by History: 58000
Russia by History: 49400

How we can see, none of our equations can simulate results of this battle.

Secondly, I've added proposed bonuses - with addition for your equation, and multiplying for mine. I've assumed that it's summer, leaders are Bonaparte and Alexander, battle takes place outside Russia and only France uses new tactics. So to sum up, +12 for France and - 9 for Russia in your equation, and *1.4 for France and *0.7 for Russia in mine. Here are the results.
France by Volk: 67041
Russia by Volk: 60892
France by Raddeo: 57713
Russia by Raddeo: 70417
France by History: 58000
Russia by History: 49400

My equation achieved to quite well calculate loses of French side, but failed to calulate loses of bigger Russian army. Your equation gave almost no loses to France (due to huge negative "bonus" for Russia), but achieved to simulate overall proportion of troops after the battle.

But to gain better view at the real ability of equations to simulate battle I've performer several additional tests, this time only in the second version, using all bonuses.

Battle of Leipzig
France by Volk: 199603
Coalition by Volk: 271942
France by Raddeo: 172817
Coalition by Raddeo: 327569
France by History: 167000
Coalition by History: 326000

My equation almost perfectly calculated forces after the battle. Yours missed a bit more and gave better results to the weaker side. I gave bonuses for Napoleon and Tactics to France, and reduced roll for Coalition for Russians outside Russia and for Alexander, but gave them +1 (according to old notation) for Schwazenberg and austrian units (to make them a little stronger than clear russian army).

Battle of Jena-Auerstedt
France by Volk: 57253
Prussia by Volk: 89445
France by Raddeo: 48599
Prussia by Raddeo: 105793
France by History: 60170
Prussia by History: 82500

This time your equation achieved to better simulate the battle, results after battle are quite close to real outcome. My equation created bigger gap between fighting armies.

Battle of Landshut
Austria by Volk: 30989
France by Volk: 55351
Austria by Raddeo: 21253
France by Raddeo: 69046
Austria by History: 26500
France by History: 74000

My equation was much closer to the historical results, as it was battle won by stronger force which is always prefered by my equation.

Finally, battle of Waterloo
France by Volk: 54259
UK by Volk: 86498
France by Raddeo: 49642
UK by Raddeo: 102676
France by History: 32000
UK by History: 94000

This time, both our results have missed a bit. But mine gave bigger advantage to winning side, while your helped losing one.
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So as we can clearly see - it's not possible to correctly calculate results of every battle (or even just major battles) with such simple equations. Results of battle depends on multiple factors - used tactics, generals, technology, weather, terrain, condition of troops, and many, many more. If you wish Volk, I could try to mathematically create such equation basing it on multiple historical battles, but job of GM to balance the factions then would be indeed terrible. For now, all those factors are simulated by D30 roll. Differently, amount of troops is not random, so it should be in logical way included into the mechanics. So as we cannot simulate result of battle with our equations, we shouldn't try to argue which equation can do it better. So should argue about which is more logical. And it is not logical to punish player for having bigger army (as your equation do). Historically bigger army was always advantage. But other factors may also change the result of battle. Russians won battles against Persians because they had better technology, better tactics, better trained troops, not because they used fewer troops. Using more troops would allow them to win these battles even easier. And according to your equation having bigger army is disadvantage what is irrational. If you want to realistically simulate the battles you should work a bit more on the bonuses for technology, tactics and generals. But that may easily destroy the balance of the game.
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I feel sorry for being your ally.  :'(

 :-*
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 26, 2016, 09:43:26 pm
I miss the simple caz times of BoP :(
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Ted on September 26, 2016, 10:00:46 pm
I miss the simple caz times of BoP :(

No, just no.... "Hey let's just kill Austria's president off for fun...."
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 26, 2016, 10:05:35 pm
I miss the simple caz times of BoP :(

No, just no.... "Hey let's just kill Austria's president off for fun...."
bro you just need to learn how to roll better xD
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Bravescot on September 26, 2016, 10:09:29 pm
Could it be? Is Raddeo becoming the new me? :D
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Furrnox on September 26, 2016, 10:22:34 pm
You should add a modifier for a larger army facing a smaller army.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 26, 2016, 10:54:12 pm
Instead of math can we talk about the lack of RP? Looking at you coalition memeber who continue to ignore Britains attack on your nation

#StillSaltyAboutLackofRP
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Raddeo on September 26, 2016, 11:05:20 pm
Jesus, you're starting to be boring. Wanna talk about lack of RP? So firstly, let's start with fact, that, despite what you may believe, you don't know everything. There are talks, pacts, plans, gifts and discussions of which you may not be aware and in which you cannot take part. Huge part of RP takes place there. Especially in game placed in times of Napoleonic Wars, in which factions used to switch side in a blink of an eye. I understand, that vision of facing war against almost all major faction in game may be terryfing to you, but please, stop trying to change the fates of game with your cries. You had a chance to change them in RP way, and you declined to do so. Secondly, if you want to talk about RP, how come, that King Gustav Adolf, ruler of one of the oldest monarchies in Europe, somehow became an ally of Buonaparte, who was rather destroying the old order, instead of supporting it? In next update Duke of Enghien will be probably executed. Will you RP then and declare war on France? If so, I can immediatelly sign peace treaty with you. It's a game, not history lesson. Our decisions may be different from historical ones (as yours were) and you have to deal with it.

Beside that, can you please quote at least one your (and Furrnox's) post from the main topic in which any RP can be noticed? For all I can see is "I propose trade agreement" and "I accept trade agreement". Not even one historical character, not even one historical allusion, not even one historical situation. Much RP.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Volk on September 26, 2016, 11:24:57 pm
 :-[
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Reznov on September 26, 2016, 11:30:12 pm
chill pls
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Commander Bondage on September 26, 2016, 11:38:07 pm
All I see is wall after wall after wall of text. Im not the only one that's not reading that, right?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 27, 2016, 12:04:35 am
Jesus, you're starting to be boring. Wanna talk about lack of RP? So firstly, let's start with fact, that, despite what you may believe, you don't know everything. There are talks, pacts, plans, gifts and discussions of which you may not be aware and in which you cannot take part. Huge part of RP takes place there. Especially in game placed in times of Napoleonic Wars, in which factions used to switch side in a blink of an eye. I understand, that vision of facing war against almost all major faction in game may be terryfing to you, but please, stop trying to change the fates of game with your cries. You had a chance to change them in RP way, and you declined to do so. Secondly, if you want to talk about RP, how come, that King Gustav Adolf, ruler of one of the oldest monarchies in Europe, somehow became an ally of Buonaparte, who was rather destroying the old order, instead of supporting it? In next update Duke of Enghien will be probably executed. Will you RP then and declare war on France? If so, I can immediatelly sign peace treaty with you. It's a game, not history lesson. Our decisions may be different from historical ones (as yours were) and you have to deal with it.
It seems a caught a big one today boys

Says it's a game, writes essays on math equations.

Firstly, I'm not scared of any major power. That should be obvious considering I allied France, knowing what I was getting into. Secondly, Gustav stayed neutral, but admired Napoleon. I tried to stay neural, multiple times. Initially I was trading with almost all the major coalition members, but then you guys broke your trade agreements with me and I think UK actually broke diplomatic relations. So why would I want to ally them? France has always been a friend of Sweden, so no I do not think it is impossible for Sweden to ally France. Also you asked me to ally with you after Britain attacked me? Like Wut. Logic please? And the duke execution won't happen. If you read the update (I'm assuming you didn't, hence why you didn't react to Briatians attack on you) then you would know that he was sentenced to life in prison. If he was to be executed, then yes I would probably break my alliance with France.

And yes I know a lot of behind the scene things happen. I have been in every BoP on this forum. So I know about the private stuff. But that doesn't mean you just completely ignore it when another nation attacks you, private arrangements or not.

There are reasons why I don't post super detailed stuff with characters and everything. For one I see myself as a poor writer (and I actually hate writing). Two, I don't really know any historical Swedish people in the Napoleonic era. Three, I don't see any purpose in all those extra details.

Now do I expect everything to be historically accurate? No. Do I expect people to act somewhat how their countries actually would? Yes. My decisions have almost always been somewhat based on how I think my nation would react. For example, if everyone in an alliance begins embargoing you, would you join them? In my mind that would just push a nation to the other side.

And can you just say Bonaparte instead of Buonaparte?

I'm not going to respond to anything else. You should get the general idea as to what I mean. You will probably never see me write something like this again

here are some random lyrics that have nothing to do with anything:

Spoiler
I won't lie to you
I know he's just not right for you
And you can tell me if I'm off
But I see it on your face
When you say that he's the one that you want
And you're spending all your time
In this wrong situation
And anytime you want it to stop

I know I can treat you better than he can
And any girl like you deserves a gentleman
Tell me why are we wasting time
On all your wasted crying
When you should be with me instead
I know I can treat you better
Better than he can

I'll stop time for you
The second you say you'd like me too
I just wanna give you the loving that you're missing
Baby, just to wake up with you
Would be everything I need and this could be so different
Tell me what you want to do

'Cause I know I can treat you better than he can
And any girl like you deserves a gentleman
Tell me why are we wasting time
On all your wasted crying
When you should be with me instead
I know I can treat you better
Better than he can [x2]

Give me a sign
Take my hand, we'll be fine
Promise I won't let you down
Just know that you don't
Have to do this alone
Promise I'll never let you down

(I know I can treat you better) [x3]
Promise I'll never let you down

'Cause I know I can treat you better than he can
And any girl like you deserves a gentleman
Tell me why are we wasting time
On all your wasted crying
When you should be with me instead
I know I can treat you better
Better than he can

Here are some more:

I hear the drums echoing tonight
But she hears only whispers of some quiet conversation
She's coming in, 12:30 flight
The moonlit wings reflect the stars that guide me towards salvation
I stopped an old man along the way
Hoping to find some long forgotten words or ancient melodies
He turned to me as if to say, "Hurry boy, it's waiting there for you"
It's gonna take a lot to take me away from you
There's nothing that a hundred men or more could ever do
I bless the rains down in Africa
Gonna take some time to do the things we never had
The wild dogs cry out in the night
As they grow restless, longing for some solitary company
I know that I must do what's right
As sure as Kilimanjaro rises like Olympus above the Serengeti
I seek to cure what's deep inside, frightened of this thing that I've become
It's gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
There's nothing that a hundred men or more could ever do
I bless the rains down in Africa
Gonna take some time to do the things we never had
Hurry boy, she's waiting there for you
It's gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
There's nothing that a hundred men or more could ever do
I bless the rains down in Africa
I bless the rains down in Africa
(I bless the rain)
I bless the rains down in Africa
(I bless the rain)
I bless the rains down in Africa
I bless the rains down in Africa
(Ah, gonna take the time)
Gonna take some time to do the things we never had

and more:

Just a small town girl
Livin' in a lonely world
She took the midnight train
Goin' anywhere
Just a city boy
Born and raised in South Detroit
He took the midnight train
Goin' anywhere

A singer in a smokey room
The smell of wine and cheap perfume
For a smile they can share the night
It goes on and on, and on, and on

Strangers waiting
Up and down the boulevard
Their shadows searching
In the night
Streetlight people
Livin' just to find emotion
Hidin' somewhere in the night

Workin' hard to get my fill
Everybody wants a thrill
Payin' anything to roll the dice
Just one more time
Some will win
Some will lose
Some were born to sing the blues
Oh, the movie never ends
It goes on and on, and on, and on

Strangers waiting
Up and down the boulevard
Their shadows searching
In the night
Streetlight people
Livin' just to find emotion
Hidin' somewhere in the night

[Instrumental interlude]

Don't stop believin'
Hold on to that feelin'
Streetlight people
Don't stop believin'
Hold on
Streetlight people
Don't stop believin'
Hold on to that feelin'
Streetlight people

Some more

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah
Yeah, look

I don't know how to talk to you
I don't know how to ask you if you're okay
My friends always feel the need to tell me things
Seems like they're just happier than us these days
Yeah, these days I don't know how to talk to you
I don't know how to be there when you need me
It feels like the only time you see me
Is when you turn your head to the side and look at me differently

Yeah, and last night I think I lost my patience
Last night I got high as the expectations
Last night, I came to a realization
And I hope you can take it
I hope you can take it

I'm too good to you
I'm way too good to you
You take my love for granted
I just don't understand it
No, I'm too good to you
I'm way too good to you
You take my love for granted
I just don't understand it

I don't know how to talk to you
I just know I found myself getting lost with you
Lately you just make me work too hard for you
Got me on flights overseas, and I still can't get across to you

And last night I think I lost my patience
Last night I got high as the expectations
Last night, I came to a realization
And I hope you can take it
I hope you can take it

I'm too good to you
I'm way too good to you
You take my love for granted
I just don't understand it
No, I'm too good to you
I'm way too good to you
You take my love for granted
I just don't understand it

Years go by too fast
I can't keep track
How long did we last?
I feel bad for asking
It can't end like this
We gotta take time with this
Cock up yuh bumper, sit down pon it
Let me see if this is something I can fix
You got somebody other than me
Don't play the victim when you're with me
Free time is costing me more than it seems
Sacrificing things
And I wanna tell you my intentions
I wanna do the things that I mention
I wanna benefit from the friendship
I wanna get the late night message from you, from you
I put my hands around you
Gotta get a handle on you
Gotta get a handle on the fact that

I'm too good to you
I'm way too good to you
You take my love for granted
I just don't understand it
No, I'm too good to you
I'm way too good to you
You take my love for granted
I just don't understand it

Gyal a you mi waan
Pay fi yuh visa meck yo fly out regular
Baby, cock up yuh bumper, sit down pon it
Gyal yo pum pum good and yuh fit
Mi wi give you everything weh deh in my wallet
And in my pocket
Cock up yuh bumper, sit down pon it
Gyal yo pum pum good and yuh fit
Mi wi give you everything weh deh in my wallet
And in my pocket

one more:

Can you feel that?
Ah, shit
Oh, ah, ah, ah, ah
Oh, ah, ah, ah, ah
oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh

Drowning deep in my sea of loathing
Broken your servant I kneel
(Will you give in to me?)
It seems what's left of my human side
Is slowly changing in me
(Will you give in to me?)

Looking at my own reflection
When suddenly it changes
Violently it changes (oh no)
There is no turning back now
You've woken up the demon in me

Get up, come on get down with the sickness
Get up, come on get down with the sickness
Get up, come on get down with the sickness
Open up your hate, and let it flow into me
Get up, come on get down with the sickness
You mother get up come on get down with the sickness
You fucker get up come on get down with the sickness
Madness is the gift, that has been given to me

I can see inside you, the sickness is rising
Don't try to deny what you feel
(Will you give in to me?)
It seems that all that was good has died
And is decaying in me
(Will you give in to me?)

It seems you're having some trouble
In dealing with these changes
Living with these changes (oh no)
The world is a scary place
Now that you've woken up the demon in me

Get up, come on get down with the sickness
Get up, come on get down with the sickness
Get up, come on get down with the sickness
Open up your hate, and let it flow into me
Get up, come on get down with the sickness
You mother get up come on get down with the sickness
You fucker get up come on get down with the sickness
Madness is the gift, that has been given to me

No mommy, don't do it again
Don't do it again
I'll be a good boy
I'll be a good boy, I promise
No mommy don't hit me
Why did you have to hit me like that, mommy?
Don't do it, you're hurting me
Why did you have to be such a bitch

Why don't you
Why don't you just fuck off and die
Why can't you just fuck off and die
Why can't you just leave here and die
Never stick your hand in my face again bitch
Fuck you
I don't need this shit
You stupid sadistic abusive fucking whore
How would you like to see how it feels mommy
Here it comes, get ready to die

Oh, ah, ah, ah, ah
Get up, come on get down with the sickness
Get up, come on get down with the sickness
Get up, come on get down with the sickness
Open up your hate, and let it flow into me
Get up, come on get down with the sickness
You mother get up come on get down with the sickness
You fucker get up come on get down with the sickness
Madness has now come over me

las one:

Uh huh, life's like this
Uh huh, uh huh, that's the way it is
'Cause life's like this
Uh huh, uh huh that's the way it is

Chill out, what you yellin' for?
Lay back, it's all been done before
And if you could only let it be
You will see
I like you the way you are
When we're drivin' in your car
And you're talking to me one on one
But you've become

Somebody else 'round everyone else
You're watching your back like you can't relax
You're tryin' to be cool
You look like a fool to me
Tell me

Why do you have to go and make things so complicated?
I see the way you're
Acting like you're somebody else, gets me frustrated
And life's like this you,
You fall and you crawl and you break and you take what you get and you turn it into
Honesty, you promised me I'm never gonna find you fake it
No, no, no

You come over unannounced
Dressed up like you're somethin' else
Where you are ain't where it's at you see, you're making me
Laugh out when you strike your pose
Take off all your preppy clothes
You know, you're not fooling anyone
When you've become

Somebody else 'round everyone else
You're watchin' your back like you can't relax
You're tryin' to be cool
You look like a fool to me
Tell me

Why do you have to go and make things so complicated?
I see the way you're
Acting like you're somebody else, gets me frustrated
And life's like this you,
You fall and you crawl and you break and you take what you get and you turn it into
Honesty, you promised me, I'm never gonna find you fake it
No, no, no

No, no, no (No)
No, no, no (No)
No, no, no (No)(No)

Chill out, what you yellin' for?
Lay back, it's all been done before
And if you could only let it be
You will see

Somebody else 'round everyone else
You're watching your back like you can't relax
You're trying to be cool,
You look like a fool to me
Tell me

Why do you have to go and make things so complicated?
I see the way you're
Acting like you're somebody else, gets me frustrated
And life's like this you,
You fall and you crawl and you break and you take what you get and you turn it into
Honesty, you promised me, I'm never gonna find you fake it
No, no

Why do you have to go and make things so complicated? (Yeah, yeah)
I see the way you're
Acting like you're somebody else, gets me frustrated
And life's like this you,
You fall and you crawl and you break and you take what you get and you turn it into
Honesty, you promised me I'm never gonna find you fake it
No, no, no

i lied:

Yeah
Can you feel it, baby?
I can too

Come on swing it
C-come on swing it
Come on swing it
C-come on swing it

1-2-3 - Now we come to the pay off

It's such a good vibration
It's such a sweet sensation
It's such a good vibration
It's such a sweet sensation

Yo, it's about that time
To bring forth the rhythm and the rhyme
I'ma get mine, so get yours
I wanna see sweat comin' out your pores

On the house tip is how I'm swingin' this
Strictly hip-hop boy, I ain't singin' this
Bringing this to the entire nation
Black, white, red, brown, feel the vibration

Come on, come on
Feel it, feel it
Feel the vibration

It's such a good vibration
It's such a sweet sensation
It's such a good vibration
It's such a sweet sensation

Vibrations good like Sunkist
Many wanna know who done this
Marky Mark and I'm here to move you
Rhymes will groove you and I'm here to prove to you

That we can party on the positive side
And pump positive vibes
So come along for the ride
Making you feel the rhythm is my occupation
So feel the vibration

Come on, come on
Feel it, feel it
Feel the vibration

It's such a good vibration
It's such a sweet sensation
It's such a good vibration
It's such a sweet sensation

Donnie D break it down

Donnie D's on the back up
Drug free, so put the crack up
No need for speed, I'm the anti D-R-U-G-G-I-E
My body is healthy
My rhymes make me wealthy
And the Funky Bunch helps me
To bring you a show with no intoxication
Come on feel the vibration

Yeah
Can you feel it, baby?
I can too

It's such a good vibration
It's such a sweet sensation
It's such a good vibration
It's such a sweet sensation

Now the time has come for you to get up
The rest had you fed up but yo, I won't let up
On the rhythm and rhyme that's designed to
Make your behind move to what I'm inclined to

Pure hip hop, no sell out
If you ain't in it to win it then get the hell out
I command you to dance, I wanna see motivation
Come on now feel the vibration

It's such a good vibration
Come on, come on, come on
It's such a sweet sensation
Feel it, feel it

It's such a good vibration
It's such a sweet sensation (Feel the vibration)
It's such a good vibration
It's such a sweet sensation
It's such a good vibration
It's such a sweet sensation

It's such a good vibration
It's such a sweet sensation
It's such a good vibration
It's such a sweet sensation

one more:

I'm gonna fight 'em off
A seven nation army couldn't hold me back
They're gonna rip it off
Taking their time right behind my back
And I'm talkin' to myself at night
Because I can't forget
Back and forth through my mind
Behind a cigarette

And the message comin' from my eyes says, "Leave it alone."

Don't wanna hear about it
Every single one's got a story to tell
Everyone knows about it
From the Queen of England to the hounds of hell
And if I catch it comin' back my way
I'm gonna serve it to you
And that ain't what you want to hear
But that's what I'll do

And the feeling coming from my bones says, "Find a home."

I'm going to Wichita
Far from this opera for evermore
I'm gonna work the straw
Make the sweat drip out of every pore
And I'm bleeding, and I'm bleeding, and I'm bleeding
Right before the lord
All the words are gonna bleed from me
And I will think no more

And the stains comin' from my blood tell me, "Go back home."

Antha one:

Aiyyo, ya niggaz must be outcha fuckin mind
Thinkin dog can't pull another motherfuckin rabbit out the hat
Nigga I ain't gotta check out my motherfuckin sleeves you bitch ass niggaz
Fuck is y'all niggaz...
Y'all niggaz just thinkin I'm sittin around doin nothin?
Oh my God, y'all niggaz can't be serious

[Chorus: DMX - repeat 2X]
Where the hood, where the hood, where the hood at?
Have that nigga in the cut, where the wood at?
Oh, them niggaz actin up?!? Where the wolves at?
You better BUST THAT if you gon pull that

[DMX]
Man, cats don't know what it's gonna be
Fuckin with a nigga like me, D-to-the-M-to-the-X
Last I heard, y'all niggaz was havin sex, with the SAME sex
I show no love, to homo thugs
Empty out, reloaded and throw more slugs
How you gonna explain fuckin a man?
Even if we squashed the beef, I ain't touchin ya hand
I don't buck with chumps, for those to been to jail
That's the cat with the Kool-Aid on his lips and pumps
I don't fuck with niggaz that think they broads
Only know how to be ONE WAY, that's the dog
I know how to get down, know how to BITE
Bark very little, but I know HOW TO FIGHT
I know how to chase a cat up in the tree
MAN, I GIVE Y'ALL NIGGAZ THE B'INESS FOR FUCKIN WIT ME, IS YOU CRAZY?!?

[Chorus]

[DMX]
Once a song, I come though, guns is drawn
BLAM BLAM, lungs are gone, sons will mourn
From dusk till dawn, nighttime belongs to the dog
On the street passed midnight, look for 'em in the morgue
Don't play with these cats cuz I ain't got nothin to say to these cats
For the mothers that really do love em, please pray for these cats
Cuz I know niggaz is hardheaded but I ain't got the patience
Don't want me havin no patience turn into more patience
More trips to ICU cuz I see you
Tryna get away with shit a real nigga wouldn't do
Where my dogs at? (RIGHT HERE) See them niggaz? (RIGHT WHERE?!?)
GET EM BOY! (RIGHT THERE) That's how we do... (AIIGHT THEN)
This is for my dogs, this is for my dogs
YO, WHERE WE AT BABY?!? (CREEPIN THROUGH THE FOG)
From then till now, don't ask me how
Know that we gon roll like them niggaz and hit every block on the job

[Chorus]

[DMX]
I get tapes doin times, stop niggaz like grapes makin wine
Five CD's with mad rhymes
Don't hit me with that positive shit, I know you lyin
You really wanna stop niggaz from dyin? Stop niggaz from tryin
I cuz I ain't really got that time to waste
and I thought I told you to get these fuckin bums out my face
Lookin atchu in your grill, I might be nice to cut
Once I split ya ass in two, you'll be twice as butt
Yeah, you right, I know ya style - PUSSY cuz I'm fuckin it
Since we all right here, you hold my dick while he suckin it
MOTHERFUCKER, don't you know you'll never come near me
Shove ya head up ya ass, have you seein shit clearly
Never heard that D be runnin, cuz D be gunnin
I beat my dick and bust off in ya eye so you can see me comin/cumin
Empty clips and shells are what I leave behind
and if they get me with the joint, they hit me with a three-to-nine

[Chorus]

[DMX talking]
WHERE THE FUCKIN HOOD AT?!? (It's all good, the dog is the hood)
NO ONES' FUCKIN WITH ME NIGGA, FO REAL (It's all good, the dog is the hood)
I AM THE HOOD, I AM THE STREETS (It's all good, the dog is the hood)
YOU BITCH ASS NIGGA (It's all good, the dog is the hood)
TAKE IT HOW YOU WANT, MOTHERFUCKER (It's all good, the dog is the hood)
I'M IN THE HOOD ALL DAY (It's all good, the dog is the hood)
I THINK I'M LIKE THE ONLY NIGGA, DOG (It's all good, the dog is the hood)
THAT CAN GO TO THE PROJECTS (SCHOOL STREET, HOME OF THE BRAVE)
BY HIS FUCKIN SELF AND BE GOOD
YEAH NIGGA, ASK NIGGAZ ON Y.O. (MY PROJECTS, Y.O.)
WHEN THE LAST TIME THEY SEEN DOG (Not too long ago baby)
MOTHERFUCKER..
DEE, WAAH, UGH... (Y'all niggaz is homeless)
KATO... (Where the hood at?)

Anotha One:

Yeah
You know what
I like the playettes
No diggity, no doubt
Play on playette, play on playette
Yo Dre, drop the verse

It's going down, fade to blackstreet
The homies got rb, collab' creations
Bump like acne, no doubt
I put it down, never slouch
As long as my credit can vouch
A dog couldn't catch me ass out
Tell me who can stop when dre makin' moves
Attracting honeys like a magnet
Giving 'em eargasms with my mellow accent
Still moving this flavor
With the homies blackstreet and teddy
The original rump shakers

Shorty get down, good lord
Baby got 'em up open all over town
Strictly biz, she don't play around
Cover much ground, got game by the pound
Getting paid is her forte
Each and every day, true player way
I can't get her out of my mind
I think about the girl all the time
East side to the west side
Pushin' phat rides, it's no surprise
She got tricks in the stash
Stacking up the cash
Fast when it comes to the gas
By no means average
She's on when she's got to have it
Baby, you're a perfect ten, I wanna get in
Can I get down, so I can win

I like the way you work it
No diggity, I got to bag it up, bag it up

I like the way you work it
No diggity, I got to bag it up, bag it up

I like the way you work it
No diggity, I got to bag it up, bag it up

I like the way you work it
No diggity, I got to bag it up, bag it up

She's got class and style
Street knowledge by the pound
Baby never act wild, very low key on the profile
Catchin' feelings is a no
Let me tell you how it goes
Curve's the words, spins the verbs
Lovers it curves so freak what you heard
Rollin' with the phatness
You don't even know what the half is
You gotta pay to play
Just for shorty, bang-bang, to look your way
I like the way you work it
Trumped tight all day, every day
You're blowing my mind, maybe in time
Baby, I can get you in my ride

I like the way you work it
No diggity, I got to bag it up, bag it up

I like the way you work it
No diggity, I got to bag it up, bag it up

I like the way you work it
No diggity, I got to bag it up, bag it up

I like the way you work it
No diggity, I got to bag it up, bag it up

Hey oh, hey oh, hey oh, hey oh (hey yo that girl looks good)
Hey oh, hey oh, hey oh, hey oh (play on, play on, play on)
Hey oh, hey oh, hey oh, hey oh (you're my kind of girl)
Hey oh, hey oh, hey oh, hey oh (hey yay oh)

'Cause that's my peeps and we row g
Flyin' first class from new york city to blackstreet
What you know about me, not a motherfuckin' thing
Cartier wooded frames sported by my shortie
As for me, icy gleaming pinky diamond ring
We be's the baddest clique up on the scene
Ain't you getting bored with these fake ass broads
I shows and proves, no doubt, I be taking you, so
Please excuse, if I come across rude
That's just me and that's how the playettes got to be
Stay kickin' game with a capital G
Axe the peoples on my block, I'm as real as can be
Word is bond, faking jacks never been my flavor
So, teddy, pass the word to your nigga chauncey
I be sitting in car, let's say around three thirty
Queen pen and blackstreet, it's no diggity

I like the way you work it
No diggity, I got to bag it up, bag it up

I like the way you work it
No diggity, I got to bag it up, bag it up

I like the way you work it
No diggity, I got to bag it up, bag it up

I like the way you work it
No diggity, I got to bag it up

Yeah, Come on
Jackie in full effect
Lisa in full effect
Nicky in full effect
Tomeka in full effect
Ladies in full effect
Ain't nothing goin' on but the rent
Yeah play on playette, play on playette
Play on play on, play on play on
'Cause I like it
No diggity, no doubt, yeah
Blackstreet productions
We out, we out right
We out, we out

anotha one

Arf arf
Yeah, yeah, yeah (grrrr)
Uh, yeah don't get it twisted
This rap shit, is mine
Motherfucker, it's not, a fucking, game
Fuck what you heard
It's what you hearing
It's what you hearing (listen)
It's what you hearing (listen)
It's what you hearing (listen)

[Verse 1]
X gon' give it to ya
Fuck wait for you to get it on your own
X gon' deliver to ya
Knock knock, open up the door, it's real
Wit the non-stop, pop pop and stainless steel
Go hard getting busy wit it
But I got such a good heart
Then I'll make a motherfucker wonder if he did it
Damn right and I'll do it again
'Cause I am right so I gots to win
Break bread wit the enemy
But no matter how many cats I break bread wit
I'll break who you sending me
You motherfuckers never wanted nothing
But your life saved,
bitch that's for the light day
I'm getting down, down
Like a nigga said, "Freeze!"
But won't be the one ending up on his knees
Bitch, please
If the only thing you cats did is came out to play
Stay out my way, motherfucker

[Chorus - DMX]
First we gonna rock, then we gonna roll
Then we let it pop, don't let it go
X gon' give it to ya
He gon' give it to ya
X gon' give it to ya
He gon' give it to ya

[Verse 2]
Ain't never gave nothing to me
But every time I turn around
Cats got they hands out wanting something from me
I ain't got it so you can't get it
Let's leave it at that 'cause I ain't wit it
Hit it wit full strength
I'm a jail nigga
So I face the world like it's Earl in the bullpen
You against me, me against you
Whatever, whenever
Nigga, fuck you gon' do?
I'm a wolf in sheep clothing
Only nigga that you know who can chill
Come back and get the streets open
I've been doing this for nineteen years
Niggas wanna fight me? Fight these tears
I put in work and it's all for the kids
But these cats done forgot what work is (uh-huh!)
They don't know who we be
Looking! But they don't know who they see, nigga

[Chorus - DMX]
First we gonna rock, then we gonna roll
Then we let it pop, don't let it go
X gon' give it to ya
He gon' give it to ya
X gon' give it to ya
He gon' give it to ya

[Verse 3]
Aiiyo where my niggas at?!
I know I got them down in the game
Give em love and they give it back
Talk too much for too long (what?!)
Don't give up you're too strong (what?!)
A dog to bow bow hug it (yeah!)
Shout-out to niggas that done it (come on!)
And it ain't even about the dough
It's about getting down for what you stand for yo (for real)

[Chorus - DMX]
First we gonna rock, then we gonna roll
Then we let it pop, don't let it go
X gon' give it to ya
He gon' give it to ya
X gon' give it to ya
He gon' give it to ya
[2x]

anotha one:

Ha ha ha ha ha
Yo, I'll tell you what I want, what I really, really want
So tell me what you want, what you really, really want
I'll tell you what I want, what I really, really want
So tell me what you want, what you really, really want
I wanna, (ha) I wanna, (ha) I wanna, (ha) I wanna, (ha)
I wanna really, really, really wanna zigazig ah

If you want my future, forget my past
If you wanna get with me, better make it fast
Now don't go wasting my precious time
Get your act together we could be just fine

I'll tell you what I want, what I really, really want
So tell me what you want, what you really, really want
I wanna, (ha) I wanna, (ha) I wanna, (ha) I wanna, (ha)
I wanna really, really, really wanna zigazig ah
If you wanna be my lover, you gotta get with my friends
(Gotta get with my friends)
Make it last forever, friendship never ends
If you wanna be my lover, you have got to give
Taking is too easy, but that's the way it is

Oh, what do you think about that
Now you know how I feel
Say, you can handle my love, are you for real
(Are you for real)
I won't be hasty, I'll give you a try
If you really bug me then I'll say goodbye

Yo I'll tell you what I want, what I really, really want
So tell me what you want, what you really, really want
I wanna, (ha) I wanna, (ha) I wanna, (ha) I wanna, (ha)
I wanna really, really, really wanna zigazig ah

If you wanna be my lover, you gotta get with my friends
(Gotta get with my friends)
Make it last forever, friendship never ends
If you wanna be my lover, you have got to give
(You've got to give)
Taking is too easy, but that's the way it is

So, here's a story from A to Z
You wanna get with me, you gotta listen carefully
We got Em in the place who likes it in your face
You got G like MC who likes it on a
Easy V doesn't come for free, she's a real lady
And as for me, ha you'll see

Slam your body down and wind it all around
Slam your body down and wind it all around

If you wanna be my lover, you gotta get with my friends
(Gotta get with my friends)
Make it last forever, friendship never ends
If you wanna be my lover, you have got to give
(You've got to give)
Taking is too easy, but that's the way it is

If you wanna be my lover
You gotta, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta
Slam, slam, slam, slam (make it last forever)

Slam your body down and wind it all around
Slam your body down and wind it all around
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha
Slam your body down and wind it all around
Slam your body down and zigazig ah
If you wanna be my lover

last one. i mean it this time

Life is a mystery
Everyone must stand alone
I hear you call my name
And it feels like home

When you call my name it's like a little prayer
I'm down on my knees, I wanna take you there
In the midnight hour I can feel your power
Just like a prayer you know I'll take you there

I hear your voice
It's like an angel sighing
I have no choice, I hear your voice
Feels like flying

I close my eyes
Oh God I think I'm falling
Out of the sky, I close my eyes
Heaven help me

When you call my name it's like a little prayer
I'm down on my knees, I wanna take you there
In the midnight hour I can feel your power
Just like a prayer you know I'll take you there

Like a child
You whisper softly to me
You're in control just like a child
Now I'm dancing

It's like a dream
No end and no beginning
You're here with me it's like a dream
Let the choir sing

When you call my name it's like a little prayer
I'm down on my knees, I wanna take you there
In the midnight hour I can feel your power
Just like a prayer you know I'll take you there

When you call my name it's like a little prayer
I'm down on my knees, I wanna take you there
In the midnight hour I can feel your power
Just like a prayer you know I'll take you there

Life is a mystery
Everyone must stand alone
I hear you call my name
And it feels like home

Just like a prayer, your voice can take me there
Just like a muse to me, you are a mystery
Just like a dream, you are not what you seem
Just like a prayer, no choice your voice can take me there

Just like a prayer, I'll take you there
It's like a dream to me
Just like a prayer, I'll take you there
It's like a dream to me

Just like a prayer, I'll take you there
It's like a dream to me
Just like a prayer, I'll take you there
It's like a dream to me

Just like a prayer, your voice can take me there
Just like a muse to me, you are a mystery
Just like a dream, you are not what you seem
Just like a prayer, no choice your voice can take me there

Just like a prayer, your voice can take me there
Just like a muse to me, you are a mystery
Just like a dream, you are not what you seem
Just like a prayer, no choice your voice can take me there
Your voice can take me there
Like a prayer

Just like a prayer
Just like a prayer, your voice can take me there
Just like a prayer
Just like a prayer, your voice can take me there
[close]
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Commander Bondage on September 27, 2016, 12:11:07 am
tl;dr
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Furrnox on September 27, 2016, 12:26:11 am
I like the lyrics.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Bravescot on September 27, 2016, 12:57:34 am
Jezz you guys don't even need Ted, McLovin or myself to get the salt train going. I'm so proud of you all
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 27, 2016, 01:08:53 am
Jesus, you're starting to be boring. Wanna talk about lack of RP? So firstly, let's start with fact, that, despite what you may believe, you don't know everything. There are talks, pacts, plans, gifts and discussions of which you may not be aware and in which you cannot take part. Huge part of RP takes place there. Especially in game placed in times of Napoleonic Wars, in which factions used to switch side in a blink of an eye. I understand, that vision of facing war against almost all major faction in game may be terryfing to you, but please, stop trying to change the fates of game with your cries. You had a chance to change them in RP way, and you declined to do so. Secondly, if you want to talk about RP, how come, that King Gustav Adolf, ruler of one of the oldest monarchies in Europe, somehow became an ally of Buonaparte, who was rather destroying the old order, instead of supporting it? In next update Duke of Enghien will be probably executed. Will you RP then and declare war on France? If so, I can immediatelly sign peace treaty with you. It's a game, not history lesson. Our decisions may be different from historical ones (as yours were) and you have to deal with it.
It seems a caught a big one today boys

Says it's a game, writes essays on math equations.

Firstly, I'm not scared of any major power. That should be obvious considering I allied France, knowing what I was getting into. Secondly, Gustav stayed neutral, but admired Napoleon. I tried to stay neural, multiple times. Initially I was trading with almost all the major coalition members, but then you guys broke your trade agreements with me and I think UK actually broke diplomatic relations. So why would I want to ally them? France has always been a friend of Sweden, so no I do not think it is impossible for Sweden to ally France. Also you asked me to ally with you after Britain attacked me? Like Wut. Logic please? And the duke execution won't happen. If you read the update (I'm assuming you didn't, hence why you didn't react to Briatians attack on you) then you would know that he was sentenced to life in prison. If he was to be executed, then yes I would probably break my alliance with France.

And yes I know a lot of behind the scene things happen. I have been in every BoP on this forum. So I know about the private stuff. But that doesn't mean you just completely ignore it when another nation attacks you, private arrangements or not.

There are reasons why I don't post super detailed stuff with characters and everything. For one I see myself as a poor writer (and I actually hate writing). Two, I don't really know any historical Swedish people in the Napoleonic era. Three, I don't see any purpose in all those extra details.

Now do I expect everything to be historically accurate? No. Do I expect people to act somewhat how their countries actually would? Yes. My decisions have almost always been somewhat based on how I think my nation would react. For example, if everyone in an alliance begins embargoing you, would you join them? In my mind that would just push a nation to the other side.

And can you just say Bonaparte instead of Buonaparte?

I'm not going to respond to anything else. You should get the general idea as to what I mean. You will probably never see me write something like this again

here are some random lyrics that have nothing to do with anything:

Spoiler
I won't lie to you
I know he's just not right for you
And you can tell me if I'm off
But I see it on your face
When you say that he's the one that you want
And you're spending all your time
In this wrong situation
And anytime you want it to stop

I know I can treat you better than he can
And any girl like you deserves a gentleman
Tell me why are we wasting time
On all your wasted crying
When you should be with me instead
I know I can treat you better
Better than he can

I'll stop time for you
The second you say you'd like me too
I just wanna give you the loving that you're missing
Baby, just to wake up with you
Would be everything I need and this could be so different
Tell me what you want to do

'Cause I know I can treat you better than he can
And any girl like you deserves a gentleman
Tell me why are we wasting time
On all your wasted crying
When you should be with me instead
I know I can treat you better
Better than he can [x2]

Give me a sign
Take my hand, we'll be fine
Promise I won't let you down
Just know that you don't
Have to do this alone
Promise I'll never let you down

(I know I can treat you better) [x3]
Promise I'll never let you down

'Cause I know I can treat you better than he can
And any girl like you deserves a gentleman
Tell me why are we wasting time
On all your wasted crying
When you should be with me instead
I know I can treat you better
Better than he can

Here are some more:

I hear the drums echoing tonight
But she hears only whispers of some quiet conversation
She's coming in, 12:30 flight
The moonlit wings reflect the stars that guide me towards salvation
I stopped an old man along the way
Hoping to find some long forgotten words or ancient melodies
He turned to me as if to say, "Hurry boy, it's waiting there for you"
It's gonna take a lot to take me away from you
There's nothing that a hundred men or more could ever do
I bless the rains down in Africa
Gonna take some time to do the things we never had
The wild dogs cry out in the night
As they grow restless, longing for some solitary company
I know that I must do what's right
As sure as Kilimanjaro rises like Olympus above the Serengeti
I seek to cure what's deep inside, frightened of this thing that I've become
It's gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
There's nothing that a hundred men or more could ever do
I bless the rains down in Africa
Gonna take some time to do the things we never had
Hurry boy, she's waiting there for you
It's gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
There's nothing that a hundred men or more could ever do
I bless the rains down in Africa
I bless the rains down in Africa
(I bless the rain)
I bless the rains down in Africa
(I bless the rain)
I bless the rains down in Africa
I bless the rains down in Africa
(Ah, gonna take the time)
Gonna take some time to do the things we never had

and more:

Just a small town girl
Livin' in a lonely world
She took the midnight train
Goin' anywhere
Just a city boy
Born and raised in South Detroit
He took the midnight train
Goin' anywhere

A singer in a smokey room
The smell of wine and cheap perfume
For a smile they can share the night
It goes on and on, and on, and on

Strangers waiting
Up and down the boulevard
Their shadows searching
In the night
Streetlight people
Livin' just to find emotion
Hidin' somewhere in the night

Workin' hard to get my fill
Everybody wants a thrill
Payin' anything to roll the dice
Just one more time
Some will win
Some will lose
Some were born to sing the blues
Oh, the movie never ends
It goes on and on, and on, and on

Strangers waiting
Up and down the boulevard
Their shadows searching
In the night
Streetlight people
Livin' just to find emotion
Hidin' somewhere in the night

[Instrumental interlude]

Don't stop believin'
Hold on to that feelin'
Streetlight people
Don't stop believin'
Hold on
Streetlight people
Don't stop believin'
Hold on to that feelin'
Streetlight people

Some more

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah
Yeah, look

I don't know how to talk to you
I don't know how to ask you if you're okay
My friends always feel the need to tell me things
Seems like they're just happier than us these days
Yeah, these days I don't know how to talk to you
I don't know how to be there when you need me
It feels like the only time you see me
Is when you turn your head to the side and look at me differently

Yeah, and last night I think I lost my patience
Last night I got high as the expectations
Last night, I came to a realization
And I hope you can take it
I hope you can take it

I'm too good to you
I'm way too good to you
You take my love for granted
I just don't understand it
No, I'm too good to you
I'm way too good to you
You take my love for granted
I just don't understand it

I don't know how to talk to you
I just know I found myself getting lost with you
Lately you just make me work too hard for you
Got me on flights overseas, and I still can't get across to you

And last night I think I lost my patience
Last night I got high as the expectations
Last night, I came to a realization
And I hope you can take it
I hope you can take it

I'm too good to you
I'm way too good to you
You take my love for granted
I just don't understand it
No, I'm too good to you
I'm way too good to you
You take my love for granted
I just don't understand it

Years go by too fast
I can't keep track
How long did we last?
I feel bad for asking
It can't end like this
We gotta take time with this
Cock up yuh bumper, sit down pon it
Let me see if this is something I can fix
You got somebody other than me
Don't play the victim when you're with me
Free time is costing me more than it seems
Sacrificing things
And I wanna tell you my intentions
I wanna do the things that I mention
I wanna benefit from the friendship
I wanna get the late night message from you, from you
I put my hands around you
Gotta get a handle on you
Gotta get a handle on the fact that

I'm too good to you
I'm way too good to you
You take my love for granted
I just don't understand it
No, I'm too good to you
I'm way too good to you
You take my love for granted
I just don't understand it

Gyal a you mi waan
Pay fi yuh visa meck yo fly out regular
Baby, cock up yuh bumper, sit down pon it
Gyal yo pum pum good and yuh fit
Mi wi give you everything weh deh in my wallet
And in my pocket
Cock up yuh bumper, sit down pon it
Gyal yo pum pum good and yuh fit
Mi wi give you everything weh deh in my wallet
And in my pocket

one more:

Can you feel that?
Ah, shit
Oh, ah, ah, ah, ah
Oh, ah, ah, ah, ah
oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh

Drowning deep in my sea of loathing
Broken your servant I kneel
(Will you give in to me?)
It seems what's left of my human side
Is slowly changing in me
(Will you give in to me?)

Looking at my own reflection
When suddenly it changes
Violently it changes (oh no)
There is no turning back now
You've woken up the demon in me

Get up, come on get down with the sickness
Get up, come on get down with the sickness
Get up, come on get down with the sickness
Open up your hate, and let it flow into me
Get up, come on get down with the sickness
You mother get up come on get down with the sickness
You fucker get up come on get down with the sickness
Madness is the gift, that has been given to me

I can see inside you, the sickness is rising
Don't try to deny what you feel
(Will you give in to me?)
It seems that all that was good has died
And is decaying in me
(Will you give in to me?)

It seems you're having some trouble
In dealing with these changes
Living with these changes (oh no)
The world is a scary place
Now that you've woken up the demon in me

Get up, come on get down with the sickness
Get up, come on get down with the sickness
Get up, come on get down with the sickness
Open up your hate, and let it flow into me
Get up, come on get down with the sickness
You mother get up come on get down with the sickness
You fucker get up come on get down with the sickness
Madness is the gift, that has been given to me

No mommy, don't do it again
Don't do it again
I'll be a good boy
I'll be a good boy, I promise
No mommy don't hit me
Why did you have to hit me like that, mommy?
Don't do it, you're hurting me
Why did you have to be such a bitch

Why don't you
Why don't you just fuck off and die
Why can't you just fuck off and die
Why can't you just leave here and die
Never stick your hand in my face again bitch
Fuck you
I don't need this shit
You stupid sadistic abusive fucking whore
How would you like to see how it feels mommy
Here it comes, get ready to die

Oh, ah, ah, ah, ah
Get up, come on get down with the sickness
Get up, come on get down with the sickness
Get up, come on get down with the sickness
Open up your hate, and let it flow into me
Get up, come on get down with the sickness
You mother get up come on get down with the sickness
You fucker get up come on get down with the sickness
Madness has now come over me

las one:

Uh huh, life's like this
Uh huh, uh huh, that's the way it is
'Cause life's like this
Uh huh, uh huh that's the way it is

Chill out, what you yellin' for?
Lay back, it's all been done before
And if you could only let it be
You will see
I like you the way you are
When we're drivin' in your car
And you're talking to me one on one
But you've become

Somebody else 'round everyone else
You're watching your back like you can't relax
You're tryin' to be cool
You look like a fool to me
Tell me

Why do you have to go and make things so complicated?
I see the way you're
Acting like you're somebody else, gets me frustrated
And life's like this you,
You fall and you crawl and you break and you take what you get and you turn it into
Honesty, you promised me I'm never gonna find you fake it
No, no, no

You come over unannounced
Dressed up like you're somethin' else
Where you are ain't where it's at you see, you're making me
Laugh out when you strike your pose
Take off all your preppy clothes
You know, you're not fooling anyone
When you've become

Somebody else 'round everyone else
You're watchin' your back like you can't relax
You're tryin' to be cool
You look like a fool to me
Tell me

Why do you have to go and make things so complicated?
I see the way you're
Acting like you're somebody else, gets me frustrated
And life's like this you,
You fall and you crawl and you break and you take what you get and you turn it into
Honesty, you promised me, I'm never gonna find you fake it
No, no, no

No, no, no (No)
No, no, no (No)
No, no, no (No)(No)

Chill out, what you yellin' for?
Lay back, it's all been done before
And if you could only let it be
You will see

Somebody else 'round everyone else
You're watching your back like you can't relax
You're trying to be cool,
You look like a fool to me
Tell me

Why do you have to go and make things so complicated?
I see the way you're
Acting like you're somebody else, gets me frustrated
And life's like this you,
You fall and you crawl and you break and you take what you get and you turn it into
Honesty, you promised me, I'm never gonna find you fake it
No, no

Why do you have to go and make things so complicated? (Yeah, yeah)
I see the way you're
Acting like you're somebody else, gets me frustrated
And life's like this you,
You fall and you crawl and you break and you take what you get and you turn it into
Honesty, you promised me I'm never gonna find you fake it
No, no, no

i lied:

Yeah
Can you feel it, baby?
I can too

Come on swing it
C-come on swing it
Come on swing it
C-come on swing it

1-2-3 - Now we come to the pay off

It's such a good vibration
It's such a sweet sensation
It's such a good vibration
It's such a sweet sensation

Yo, it's about that time
To bring forth the rhythm and the rhyme
I'ma get mine, so get yours
I wanna see sweat comin' out your pores

On the house tip is how I'm swingin' this
Strictly hip-hop boy, I ain't singin' this
Bringing this to the entire nation
Black, white, red, brown, feel the vibration

Come on, come on
Feel it, feel it
Feel the vibration

It's such a good vibration
It's such a sweet sensation
It's such a good vibration
It's such a sweet sensation

Vibrations good like Sunkist
Many wanna know who done this
Marky Mark and I'm here to move you
Rhymes will groove you and I'm here to prove to you

That we can party on the positive side
And pump positive vibes
So come along for the ride
Making you feel the rhythm is my occupation
So feel the vibration

Come on, come on
Feel it, feel it
Feel the vibration

It's such a good vibration
It's such a sweet sensation
It's such a good vibration
It's such a sweet sensation

Donnie D break it down

Donnie D's on the back up
Drug free, so put the crack up
No need for speed, I'm the anti D-R-U-G-G-I-E
My body is healthy
My rhymes make me wealthy
And the Funky Bunch helps me
To bring you a show with no intoxication
Come on feel the vibration

Yeah
Can you feel it, baby?
I can too

It's such a good vibration
It's such a sweet sensation
It's such a good vibration
It's such a sweet sensation

Now the time has come for you to get up
The rest had you fed up but yo, I won't let up
On the rhythm and rhyme that's designed to
Make your behind move to what I'm inclined to

Pure hip hop, no sell out
If you ain't in it to win it then get the hell out
I command you to dance, I wanna see motivation
Come on now feel the vibration

It's such a good vibration
Come on, come on, come on
It's such a sweet sensation
Feel it, feel it

It's such a good vibration
It's such a sweet sensation (Feel the vibration)
It's such a good vibration
It's such a sweet sensation
It's such a good vibration
It's such a sweet sensation

It's such a good vibration
It's such a sweet sensation
It's such a good vibration
It's such a sweet sensation

one more:

I'm gonna fight 'em off
A seven nation army couldn't hold me back
They're gonna rip it off
Taking their time right behind my back
And I'm talkin' to myself at night
Because I can't forget
Back and forth through my mind
Behind a cigarette

And the message comin' from my eyes says, "Leave it alone."

Don't wanna hear about it
Every single one's got a story to tell
Everyone knows about it
From the Queen of England to the hounds of hell
And if I catch it comin' back my way
I'm gonna serve it to you
And that ain't what you want to hear
But that's what I'll do

And the feeling coming from my bones says, "Find a home."

I'm going to Wichita
Far from this opera for evermore
I'm gonna work the straw
Make the sweat drip out of every pore
And I'm bleeding, and I'm bleeding, and I'm bleeding
Right before the lord
All the words are gonna bleed from me
And I will think no more

And the stains comin' from my blood tell me, "Go back home."

Antha one:

Aiyyo, ya niggaz must be outcha fuckin mind
Thinkin dog can't pull another motherfuckin rabbit out the hat
Nigga I ain't gotta check out my motherfuckin sleeves you bitch ass niggaz
Fuck is y'all niggaz...
Y'all niggaz just thinkin I'm sittin around doin nothin?
Oh my God, y'all niggaz can't be serious

[Chorus: DMX - repeat 2X]
Where the hood, where the hood, where the hood at?
Have that nigga in the cut, where the wood at?
Oh, them niggaz actin up?!? Where the wolves at?
You better BUST THAT if you gon pull that

[DMX]
Man, cats don't know what it's gonna be
Fuckin with a nigga like me, D-to-the-M-to-the-X
Last I heard, y'all niggaz was havin sex, with the SAME sex
I show no love, to homo thugs
Empty out, reloaded and throw more slugs
How you gonna explain fuckin a man?
Even if we squashed the beef, I ain't touchin ya hand
I don't buck with chumps, for those to been to jail
That's the cat with the Kool-Aid on his lips and pumps
I don't fuck with niggaz that think they broads
Only know how to be ONE WAY, that's the dog
I know how to get down, know how to BITE
Bark very little, but I know HOW TO FIGHT
I know how to chase a cat up in the tree
MAN, I GIVE Y'ALL NIGGAZ THE B'INESS FOR FUCKIN WIT ME, IS YOU CRAZY?!?

[Chorus]

[DMX]
Once a song, I come though, guns is drawn
BLAM BLAM, lungs are gone, sons will mourn
From dusk till dawn, nighttime belongs to the dog
On the street passed midnight, look for 'em in the morgue
Don't play with these cats cuz I ain't got nothin to say to these cats
For the mothers that really do love em, please pray for these cats
Cuz I know niggaz is hardheaded but I ain't got the patience
Don't want me havin no patience turn into more patience
More trips to ICU cuz I see you
Tryna get away with shit a real nigga wouldn't do
Where my dogs at? (RIGHT HERE) See them niggaz? (RIGHT WHERE?!?)
GET EM BOY! (RIGHT THERE) That's how we do... (AIIGHT THEN)
This is for my dogs, this is for my dogs
YO, WHERE WE AT BABY?!? (CREEPIN THROUGH THE FOG)
From then till now, don't ask me how
Know that we gon roll like them niggaz and hit every block on the job

[Chorus]

[DMX]
I get tapes doin times, stop niggaz like grapes makin wine
Five CD's with mad rhymes
Don't hit me with that positive shit, I know you lyin
You really wanna stop niggaz from dyin? Stop niggaz from tryin
I cuz I ain't really got that time to waste
and I thought I told you to get these fuckin bums out my face
Lookin atchu in your grill, I might be nice to cut
Once I split ya ass in two, you'll be twice as butt
Yeah, you right, I know ya style - PUSSY cuz I'm fuckin it
Since we all right here, you hold my dick while he suckin it
MOTHERFUCKER, don't you know you'll never come near me
Shove ya head up ya ass, have you seein shit clearly
Never heard that D be runnin, cuz D be gunnin
I beat my dick and bust off in ya eye so you can see me comin/cumin
Empty clips and shells are what I leave behind
and if they get me with the joint, they hit me with a three-to-nine

[Chorus]

[DMX talking]
WHERE THE FUCKIN HOOD AT?!? (It's all good, the dog is the hood)
NO ONES' FUCKIN WITH ME NIGGA, FO REAL (It's all good, the dog is the hood)
I AM THE HOOD, I AM THE STREETS (It's all good, the dog is the hood)
YOU BITCH ASS NIGGA (It's all good, the dog is the hood)
TAKE IT HOW YOU WANT, MOTHERFUCKER (It's all good, the dog is the hood)
I'M IN THE HOOD ALL DAY (It's all good, the dog is the hood)
I THINK I'M LIKE THE ONLY NIGGA, DOG (It's all good, the dog is the hood)
THAT CAN GO TO THE PROJECTS (SCHOOL STREET, HOME OF THE BRAVE)
BY HIS FUCKIN SELF AND BE GOOD
YEAH NIGGA, ASK NIGGAZ ON Y.O. (MY PROJECTS, Y.O.)
WHEN THE LAST TIME THEY SEEN DOG (Not too long ago baby)
MOTHERFUCKER..
DEE, WAAH, UGH... (Y'all niggaz is homeless)
KATO... (Where the hood at?)

Anotha One:

Yeah
You know what
I like the playettes
No diggity, no doubt
Play on playette, play on playette
Yo Dre, drop the verse

It's going down, fade to blackstreet
The homies got rb, collab' creations
Bump like acne, no doubt
I put it down, never slouch
As long as my credit can vouch
A dog couldn't catch me ass out
Tell me who can stop when dre makin' moves
Attracting honeys like a magnet
Giving 'em eargasms with my mellow accent
Still moving this flavor
With the homies blackstreet and teddy
The original rump shakers

Shorty get down, good lord
Baby got 'em up open all over town
Strictly biz, she don't play around
Cover much ground, got game by the pound
Getting paid is her forte
Each and every day, true player way
I can't get her out of my mind
I think about the girl all the time
East side to the west side
Pushin' phat rides, it's no surprise
She got tricks in the stash
Stacking up the cash
Fast when it comes to the gas
By no means average
She's on when she's got to have it
Baby, you're a perfect ten, I wanna get in
Can I get down, so I can win

I like the way you work it
No diggity, I got to bag it up, bag it up

I like the way you work it
No diggity, I got to bag it up, bag it up

I like the way you work it
No diggity, I got to bag it up, bag it up

I like the way you work it
No diggity, I got to bag it up, bag it up

She's got class and style
Street knowledge by the pound
Baby never act wild, very low key on the profile
Catchin' feelings is a no
Let me tell you how it goes
Curve's the words, spins the verbs
Lovers it curves so freak what you heard
Rollin' with the phatness
You don't even know what the half is
You gotta pay to play
Just for shorty, bang-bang, to look your way
I like the way you work it
Trumped tight all day, every day
You're blowing my mind, maybe in time
Baby, I can get you in my ride

I like the way you work it
No diggity, I got to bag it up, bag it up

I like the way you work it
No diggity, I got to bag it up, bag it up

I like the way you work it
No diggity, I got to bag it up, bag it up

I like the way you work it
No diggity, I got to bag it up, bag it up

Hey oh, hey oh, hey oh, hey oh (hey yo that girl looks good)
Hey oh, hey oh, hey oh, hey oh (play on, play on, play on)
Hey oh, hey oh, hey oh, hey oh (you're my kind of girl)
Hey oh, hey oh, hey oh, hey oh (hey yay oh)

'Cause that's my peeps and we row g
Flyin' first class from new york city to blackstreet
What you know about me, not a motherfuckin' thing
Cartier wooded frames sported by my shortie
As for me, icy gleaming pinky diamond ring
We be's the baddest clique up on the scene
Ain't you getting bored with these fake ass broads
I shows and proves, no doubt, I be taking you, so
Please excuse, if I come across rude
That's just me and that's how the playettes got to be
Stay kickin' game with a capital G
Axe the peoples on my block, I'm as real as can be
Word is bond, faking jacks never been my flavor
So, teddy, pass the word to your nigga chauncey
I be sitting in car, let's say around three thirty
Queen pen and blackstreet, it's no diggity

I like the way you work it
No diggity, I got to bag it up, bag it up

I like the way you work it
No diggity, I got to bag it up, bag it up

I like the way you work it
No diggity, I got to bag it up, bag it up

I like the way you work it
No diggity, I got to bag it up

Yeah, Come on
Jackie in full effect
Lisa in full effect
Nicky in full effect
Tomeka in full effect
Ladies in full effect
Ain't nothing goin' on but the rent
Yeah play on playette, play on playette
Play on play on, play on play on
'Cause I like it
No diggity, no doubt, yeah
Blackstreet productions
We out, we out right
We out, we out

anotha one

Arf arf
Yeah, yeah, yeah (grrrr)
Uh, yeah don't get it twisted
This rap shit, is mine
Motherfucker, it's not, a fucking, game
Fuck what you heard
It's what you hearing
It's what you hearing (listen)
It's what you hearing (listen)
It's what you hearing (listen)

[Verse 1]
X gon' give it to ya
Fuck wait for you to get it on your own
X gon' deliver to ya
Knock knock, open up the door, it's real
Wit the non-stop, pop pop and stainless steel
Go hard getting busy wit it
But I got such a good heart
Then I'll make a motherfucker wonder if he did it
Damn right and I'll do it again
'Cause I am right so I gots to win
Break bread wit the enemy
But no matter how many cats I break bread wit
I'll break who you sending me
You motherfuckers never wanted nothing
But your life saved,
bitch that's for the light day
I'm getting down, down
Like a nigga said, "Freeze!"
But won't be the one ending up on his knees
Bitch, please
If the only thing you cats did is came out to play
Stay out my way, motherfucker

[Chorus - DMX]
First we gonna rock, then we gonna roll
Then we let it pop, don't let it go
X gon' give it to ya
He gon' give it to ya
X gon' give it to ya
He gon' give it to ya

[Verse 2]
Ain't never gave nothing to me
But every time I turn around
Cats got they hands out wanting something from me
I ain't got it so you can't get it
Let's leave it at that 'cause I ain't wit it
Hit it wit full strength
I'm a jail nigga
So I face the world like it's Earl in the bullpen
You against me, me against you
Whatever, whenever
Nigga, fuck you gon' do?
I'm a wolf in sheep clothing
Only nigga that you know who can chill
Come back and get the streets open
I've been doing this for nineteen years
Niggas wanna fight me? Fight these tears
I put in work and it's all for the kids
But these cats done forgot what work is (uh-huh!)
They don't know who we be
Looking! But they don't know who they see, nigga

[Chorus - DMX]
First we gonna rock, then we gonna roll
Then we let it pop, don't let it go
X gon' give it to ya
He gon' give it to ya
X gon' give it to ya
He gon' give it to ya

[Verse 3]
Aiiyo where my niggas at?!
I know I got them down in the game
Give em love and they give it back
Talk too much for too long (what?!)
Don't give up you're too strong (what?!)
A dog to bow bow hug it (yeah!)
Shout-out to niggas that done it (come on!)
And it ain't even about the dough
It's about getting down for what you stand for yo (for real)

[Chorus - DMX]
First we gonna rock, then we gonna roll
Then we let it pop, don't let it go
X gon' give it to ya
He gon' give it to ya
X gon' give it to ya
He gon' give it to ya
[2x]

anotha one:

Ha ha ha ha ha
Yo, I'll tell you what I want, what I really, really want
So tell me what you want, what you really, really want
I'll tell you what I want, what I really, really want
So tell me what you want, what you really, really want
I wanna, (ha) I wanna, (ha) I wanna, (ha) I wanna, (ha)
I wanna really, really, really wanna zigazig ah

If you want my future, forget my past
If you wanna get with me, better make it fast
Now don't go wasting my precious time
Get your act together we could be just fine

I'll tell you what I want, what I really, really want
So tell me what you want, what you really, really want
I wanna, (ha) I wanna, (ha) I wanna, (ha) I wanna, (ha)
I wanna really, really, really wanna zigazig ah
If you wanna be my lover, you gotta get with my friends
(Gotta get with my friends)
Make it last forever, friendship never ends
If you wanna be my lover, you have got to give
Taking is too easy, but that's the way it is

Oh, what do you think about that
Now you know how I feel
Say, you can handle my love, are you for real
(Are you for real)
I won't be hasty, I'll give you a try
If you really bug me then I'll say goodbye

Yo I'll tell you what I want, what I really, really want
So tell me what you want, what you really, really want
I wanna, (ha) I wanna, (ha) I wanna, (ha) I wanna, (ha)
I wanna really, really, really wanna zigazig ah

If you wanna be my lover, you gotta get with my friends
(Gotta get with my friends)
Make it last forever, friendship never ends
If you wanna be my lover, you have got to give
(You've got to give)
Taking is too easy, but that's the way it is

So, here's a story from A to Z
You wanna get with me, you gotta listen carefully
We got Em in the place who likes it in your face
You got G like MC who likes it on a
Easy V doesn't come for free, she's a real lady
And as for me, ha you'll see

Slam your body down and wind it all around
Slam your body down and wind it all around

If you wanna be my lover, you gotta get with my friends
(Gotta get with my friends)
Make it last forever, friendship never ends
If you wanna be my lover, you have got to give
(You've got to give)
Taking is too easy, but that's the way it is

If you wanna be my lover
You gotta, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta
Slam, slam, slam, slam (make it last forever)

Slam your body down and wind it all around
Slam your body down and wind it all around
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha
Slam your body down and wind it all around
Slam your body down and zigazig ah
If you wanna be my lover

last one. i mean it this time

Life is a mystery
Everyone must stand alone
I hear you call my name
And it feels like home

When you call my name it's like a little prayer
I'm down on my knees, I wanna take you there
In the midnight hour I can feel your power
Just like a prayer you know I'll take you there

I hear your voice
It's like an angel sighing
I have no choice, I hear your voice
Feels like flying

I close my eyes
Oh God I think I'm falling
Out of the sky, I close my eyes
Heaven help me

When you call my name it's like a little prayer
I'm down on my knees, I wanna take you there
In the midnight hour I can feel your power
Just like a prayer you know I'll take you there

Like a child
You whisper softly to me
You're in control just like a child
Now I'm dancing

It's like a dream
No end and no beginning
You're here with me it's like a dream
Let the choir sing

When you call my name it's like a little prayer
I'm down on my knees, I wanna take you there
In the midnight hour I can feel your power
Just like a prayer you know I'll take you there

When you call my name it's like a little prayer
I'm down on my knees, I wanna take you there
In the midnight hour I can feel your power
Just like a prayer you know I'll take you there

Life is a mystery
Everyone must stand alone
I hear you call my name
And it feels like home

Just like a prayer, your voice can take me there
Just like a muse to me, you are a mystery
Just like a dream, you are not what you seem
Just like a prayer, no choice your voice can take me there

Just like a prayer, I'll take you there
It's like a dream to me
Just like a prayer, I'll take you there
It's like a dream to me

Just like a prayer, I'll take you there
It's like a dream to me
Just like a prayer, I'll take you there
It's like a dream to me

Just like a prayer, your voice can take me there
Just like a muse to me, you are a mystery
Just like a dream, you are not what you seem
Just like a prayer, no choice your voice can take me there

Just like a prayer, your voice can take me there
Just like a muse to me, you are a mystery
Just like a dream, you are not what you seem
Just like a prayer, no choice your voice can take me there
Your voice can take me there
Like a prayer

Just like a prayer
Just like a prayer, your voice can take me there
Just like a prayer
Just like a prayer, your voice can take me there
[close]
honeslty im sorry about all this. i got a little carried away Xd
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Thunderstormer on September 27, 2016, 01:56:16 am
spoilers are your friend.   refrain from making posts as long as that in the future.(as in length in scrolling on the screen.)
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Commander Bondage on September 27, 2016, 03:34:46 am
I hate songs about guys wanting to get with girls that are taken
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Volk on September 27, 2016, 05:22:36 am
Updated Values. Updated diplomacy sheet.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Cazasar on September 27, 2016, 08:35:08 am
So much salt :( I think the RP is fine. BoPs are never historically correct.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Bravescot on September 27, 2016, 11:31:30 am
So much salt :( I think the RP is fine. BoPs are never historically correct.
BabyJ's salt is perfectly valid. Britain fired upon and sunk a number of allied ships and nobody has batted an eye. What Britian has done is pretty serious.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 27, 2016, 05:16:21 pm
So much salt :( I think the RP is fine. BoPs are never historically correct.
BabyJ's salt is perfectly valid. Britain fired upon and sunk a number of allied ships and nobody has batted an eye. What Britian has done is pretty serious.
Britain: *Sinks Russian ships*
Russia:Hey Britain let's be friends. That Napoleon is a bad dude lets invade him.
*Russia declares war on Sweden*
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Bravescot on September 27, 2016, 05:58:07 pm
So much salt :( I think the RP is fine. BoPs are never historically correct.
BabyJ's salt is perfectly valid. Britain fired upon and sunk a number of allied ships and nobody has batted an eye. What Britian has done is pretty serious.
Britain: *Sinks Russian ships*
Russia:Hey Britain let's be friends. That Napoleon is a bad dude lets invade him.
*Russia declares war on Sweden*
Bingo! Where is the logic?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Emperor Napoleon on September 27, 2016, 08:06:43 pm
So much salt :( I think the RP is fine. BoPs are never historically correct.
BabyJ's salt is perfectly valid. Britain fired upon and sunk a number of allied ships and nobody has batted an eye. What Britian has done is pretty serious.
Britain: *Sinks Russian ships*
Russia:Hey Britain let's be friends. That Napoleon is a bad dude lets invade him.
*Russia declares war on Sweden*
Bingo! Where is the logic?

Surely everyone at this point should follow in the ottoman footsteps and punish the Brits in some way? Not being biased but I do seem to be the only one after publicly doing something about the incident, and Im not even relevant in the context of what happened.....
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Ted on September 27, 2016, 08:22:44 pm
Well I removed my ambassador from London  :P  ::)
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 27, 2016, 08:25:27 pm
Well I removed my ambassador from London  :P  ::)
and you wernt even affected by Britians actions. So you would think those that actually were affected would at least condemn their actions or something
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Reznov on September 27, 2016, 08:27:41 pm
I dont have ambassadors pls
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Furrnox on September 28, 2016, 03:02:01 am
So much salt :( I think the RP is fine. BoPs are never historically correct.
BabyJ's salt is perfectly valid. Britain fired upon and sunk a number of allied ships and nobody has batted an eye. What Britian has done is pretty serious.
Britain: *Sinks Russian ships*
Russia:Hey Britain let's be friends. That Napoleon is a bad dude lets invade him.
*Russia declares war on Sweden*
Bingo! Where is the logic?

Surely everyone at this point should follow in the ottoman footsteps and punish the Brits in some way? Not being biased but I do seem to be the only one after publicly doing something about the incident, and Im not even relevant in the context of what happened.....

They did by declaring war on ME.  >:( :'(
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 28, 2016, 03:03:05 am
Spoiler
So much salt :( I think the RP is fine. BoPs are never historically correct.
BabyJ's salt is perfectly valid. Britain fired upon and sunk a number of allied ships and nobody has batted an eye. What Britian has done is pretty serious.
Britain: *Sinks Russian ships*
Russia:Hey Britain let's be friends. That Napoleon is a bad dude lets invade him.
*Russia declares war on Sweden*
Bingo! Where is the logic?

Surely everyone at this point should follow in the ottoman footsteps and punish the Brits in some way? Not being biased but I do seem to be the only one after publicly doing something about the incident, and Im not even relevant in the context of what happened.....

They did by declaring war on ME.  >:( :'(
[close]
no they declared war on me >:( :'(
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Ted on September 28, 2016, 07:18:36 am
Watch the quotepyramide boys  ::)  :P  :-X  :-*
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Lawrence on September 28, 2016, 02:45:36 pm
The amount of autism on this thread Lmfao.


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Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 28, 2016, 02:50:27 pm
The amount of autism on this thread Lmfao.


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:-[

Did you want some more song lyrics?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Ted on September 28, 2016, 02:53:17 pm
The Electorate of Bavaria colonizes the moon by sending Baron von Münchhausen riding a cannonball.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Bravescot on September 28, 2016, 03:30:34 pm
The amount of autism on this thread Lmfao.
This is why we can't have nice things
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Lawrence on September 28, 2016, 05:55:49 pm
 Can we just play the game? :(


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Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Commander Bondage on September 28, 2016, 06:53:27 pm
Since salcos doesnt do shit can I technically declare war on him and conquer everything he has? I mean its not like he's gonna post anything saying he's raising troops to fight back or anything
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on September 28, 2016, 06:54:02 pm
Since salcos doesnt do shit can I technically declare war on him and conquer everything he has? I mean its not like he's gonna post anything saying he's raising troops to fight back or anything

Why would Two Sicilies conquer Pope?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Commander Bondage on September 28, 2016, 07:01:52 pm
Since salcos doesnt do shit can I technically declare war on him and conquer everything he has? I mean its not like he's gonna post anything saying he's raising troops to fight back or anything

Why would Two Sicilies conquer Pope?
Hence technically
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on September 28, 2016, 07:02:07 pm
o
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Furrnox on September 28, 2016, 07:27:00 pm
Since salcos doesnt do shit can I technically declare war on him and conquer everything he has? I mean its not like he's gonna post anything saying he's raising troops to fight back or anything

You do that and see what happens.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 28, 2016, 07:44:44 pm
Mclovin thanks for clarifying. I never would have guessed that saxony joined the coalition

mclovin made me cry irl :'(
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on September 28, 2016, 08:21:24 pm
Mclovin thanks for clarifying. I never would have guessed that saxony joined the coalition

I wasn't clarifying retard. Saxony asked to join and I accepted.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 28, 2016, 08:28:17 pm
Mclovin thanks for clarifying. I never would have guessed that saxony joined the coalition

I wasn't clarifying retard. Saxony asked to join and I accepted.
o u right :'(
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Kory on September 29, 2016, 12:43:08 am
I think the Kingdom of Etruria needs new leadership perhaps i shalt try my hand?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Volk on September 29, 2016, 01:05:31 am
I think the Kingdom of Etruria needs new leadership perhaps i shalt try my hand?
S Bogom.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Theodoor on September 29, 2016, 06:43:58 pm
Kory, France is your overlord. That means that you're already trading with every country France is trading with.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 29, 2016, 08:52:58 pm
My school has thousands of books and articles on the Napoleonic wars and I just now found out. Rip
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Ted on September 29, 2016, 08:57:33 pm
My school has thousands of books and articles on the Napoleonic wars and I just now found out. Rip

Oh look, the boy has finally managed to understand that you can actually LEARN things in school. See me clapping.... not.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Furrnox on September 29, 2016, 09:19:21 pm
Wat?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: DoctorWarband on September 29, 2016, 09:20:56 pm
My school library barely has Harry Potter in it
RIP
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on September 29, 2016, 09:24:09 pm
My school library has Shrek ???
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Commander Bondage on September 29, 2016, 09:38:20 pm
I dont have a school
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: DoctorWarband on September 29, 2016, 09:39:41 pm
I dont have a school
Your school is the streets of Copa Cabana
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 29, 2016, 10:29:01 pm
My school has thousands of books and articles on the Napoleonic wars and I just now found out. Rip

Oh look, the boy has finally managed to understand that you can actually LEARN things in school. See me clapping.... not.
well I just started going to a university. I figured they had a couple of books there but I didn't know about all the online books they had.

Also just imagine how drama you could have saved yourself if you posted that earlier raddeo.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Raddeo on September 29, 2016, 10:40:44 pm
But this drama was funny, why would I try save it? I have honestly expected you to start even more of it after this post...
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on September 29, 2016, 10:50:16 pm
But this drama was funny, why would I try save it? I have honestly expected you to start even more of it after this post...
i mean if you really want drama then do you want me to go on about how Russia and the U.K. hate each other and would never refer to one another as "close friends"?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Furrnox on September 30, 2016, 10:18:31 pm
I like how all major nations call me the French threat when I am the one who keeps getting declared upon.  :'(

"How cruel Napoleon is what a warmongerer!"
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on September 30, 2016, 10:20:53 pm
Well, Napoleon kinda did usurp the ancient French throne.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Ted on September 30, 2016, 10:30:19 pm
Well, Napoleon kinda did usurp the ancient French throne.

Nope. He overthrew the Republic by a coup and the Pope himself took part in the coronation - he is as legitimated as any other monarch.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on September 30, 2016, 10:32:31 pm
Well, Napoleon kinda did usurp the ancient French throne.

Nope. He overthrew the Republic by a coup and the Pope himself took part in the coronation - he is as legitimated as any other monarch.

Yes, I know of the Brumaire Coup. But still, the French monarchy had been expelled from Paris and Napoleon ruled over France unlawfully.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Ted on September 30, 2016, 10:52:21 pm
Well, Napoleon kinda did usurp the ancient French throne.

Nope. He overthrew the Republic by a coup and the Pope himself took part in the coronation - he is as legitimated as any other monarch.

Yes, I know of the Brumaire Coup. But still, the French monarchy had been expelled from Paris and Napoleon ruled over France unlawfully.

How comes that the Pope took part in the coronation then? After all this legitimated Napoleon's rule in the name of god. All the other monarchs who took their power as granted by god ignored it out of personal interests, nothing more. The POPE legitimated his rule as well as the population, but the other European monarchs decided to ignore that. Napoleon's coronation was bigger then anything else seen at this time, he was 100% legitimated at this point.

After all there should be a coalition against the UK instead for sinking allied and neutral ships, but hey..... let's ignore facts.

(That's not meant salty, it is just meant to show the huge logical breaks happening in this game atm)
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Volk on October 01, 2016, 03:03:14 pm
Plans?  ???

Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Furrnox on October 01, 2016, 05:09:12 pm
working on it now actually.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Commander Bondage on October 01, 2016, 05:11:32 pm
I have an announcement to make...

BabyJ and I are having a baby and we will no longer have enough time to play this BoP please remove BabyJ from the list of players. Thank you.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on October 01, 2016, 05:12:01 pm
Plans?  ???
ive had mine pretty much done for the past week. I've been a lazy cuck :(
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on October 01, 2016, 05:17:09 pm
I have an announcement to make...

BabyJ and I are having a baby and we will no longer have enough time to play this BoP please remove BabyJ from the list of players. Thank you.
wtf? You told me I couldn't get pregnant!
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Bravescot on October 01, 2016, 05:55:50 pm
Batavian Republic?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on October 01, 2016, 06:10:50 pm
Batavian Republic?

What do you mean?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Commander Bondage on October 01, 2016, 06:11:04 pm
I have an announcement to make...

BabyJ and I are having a baby and we will no longer have enough time to play this BoP please remove BabyJ from the list of players. Thank you.
wtf? You told me I couldn't get pregnant!
Im sorry. All I wanted was to start a family with you...
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Bravescot on October 01, 2016, 07:07:25 pm
Batavian Republic?
What do you mean?
Gib
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on October 01, 2016, 07:11:53 pm
Batavian Republic?
What do you mean?
Gib
get outta here with that white priveldge. You think everything in life should just be handed to you? Well some of us have to actually for a living. I just found out I'm pregnant today. You think I want this kid? I can't afford a kid. Just because I'm an Apache attack helicopter doesn't mean I'm not a person too
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Volk on October 01, 2016, 07:55:47 pm
Plans?  ???
Update?  ???

Added Massena for the French Empire. Massena = +3
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Bravescot on October 01, 2016, 08:00:48 pm
Batavian Republic?
What do you mean?
Gib
get outta here with that white priveldge. You think everything in life should just be handed to you? Well some of us have to actually for a living. I just found out I'm pregnant today. You think I want this kid? I can't afford a kid. Just because I'm an Apache attack helicopter doesn't mean I'm not a person too
Did you just assume I'm white you particracy attack helicopter?! I'll have you know I'm a proud blue man!
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on October 02, 2016, 01:22:58 am
Plans?  ???
Update?  ???

Added Massena for the French Empire. Massena = +3
ill send my plans later tonight. I've been a lazy boy:(

Just curious, which one of France's marshals is the best?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Furrnox on October 02, 2016, 06:23:12 am
IMO it's Davout.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Ted on October 02, 2016, 06:35:41 pm
It would be cool if we had a spoiler on the first page where all the old updates are put in, that would make looking after old events much easier.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Raddeo on October 02, 2016, 06:48:05 pm
True. Also some kind of legend for map would be nice. Having to re-identify all german states every time I look at the map is quite wearing.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on October 02, 2016, 08:08:08 pm
IMO it's Davout.
thats what a lot of websites are saying

And yes Ted I agree. That would be awesome
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Ted on October 02, 2016, 09:35:41 pm
#UpdateReady
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on October 02, 2016, 09:39:00 pm
#UpdateReady
teh delay may or may not be my fault             
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Volk on October 02, 2016, 09:47:08 pm
No update today. Was update ready all week, now influx of plans is too many at one time. Go frolick for a bit.

Edit: Some people still haven't sent me plans. Among the list are major nations as well. Get to it.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Ted on October 03, 2016, 05:32:19 pm
I can not wait for this update  :-*
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on October 03, 2016, 06:49:29 pm
I can not wait for this update  :-*
Swedens gonna wreck Russia
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Raddeo on October 03, 2016, 10:26:51 pm
I can not wait for this update  :-*
Swedens gonna wreck Russia

Just to make it clear... Sweden is just this strip of land in far north? And Russia is that big green that covers half of the map, right? You know, to avoid mistakes...
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on October 03, 2016, 11:05:15 pm
I can not wait for this update  :-*
Swedens gonna wreck Russia

Just to make it clear... Sweden is just this strip of land in far north? And Russia is that big green that covers half of the map, right? You know, to avoid mistakes...
half of it is inhabitable so in this case size doesn't matter
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on October 04, 2016, 08:44:33 am
Im pretty sure that the only inhabitable parts of Russia aren't on this map. In Siberia/Asia etc.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on October 04, 2016, 08:49:45 am
Im pretty sure that the only inhabitable parts of Russia aren't on this map. In Siberia/Asia etc.
shush
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Salcos on October 04, 2016, 03:23:13 pm
Time for Shekels kids.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Ted on October 04, 2016, 03:39:45 pm
I'm starving, I NEED an update!
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on October 04, 2016, 04:14:14 pm
I'm starving, I NEED an update!
volk said she worked on the update a little bit last night. I'm guessing it will be tonight or tomorrow
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on October 05, 2016, 12:22:31 am
I hope it's tonight

Wouldn't be too surprised tho if people still didn't send in their plans
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on October 05, 2016, 05:00:11 pm
Today's the day

unless it's tomorrow
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Ted on October 05, 2016, 07:07:19 pm
Today's the day

unless it's tomorrow

I can't take waiting for the update anymore  :-X It's going to be great ayy lmao  :D

Edit: Volk is looking at the gamethread! HYPE HYPE HYPE
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Volk on October 05, 2016, 08:00:29 pm
Just a minor thing...

Starting next turn any army or force that doesn't have a named leader will suffer a -3 penalty in combat. Please guys, it makes it 10x easier for me if you simply attach a name to an army, or even if a force is separating from the main army, if it's sizeable give it a leader. Even if he's -1 or just some average general who was not noteworthy in the war. When I attach names to armies GM wise it makes is infinitely easier for me to go "Kutuzov's Army attacks Davout's Army, great I know the sizes and make ups of those armies let's battle" instead of "Uh... 4th Prussian Corps, not army, vs... 12th French Division? No that's in Romania rn, which one's the one in Portugal atm? Is that the one with 2k or 40k?"

Also reread plans before you send them, I notice sometimes people put the wrong/same names. "Corps X attacks Paris while Corps X defends Marseille" etc. I usually catch it and ask for clarification if it's truly confusing, most of the time though I can figure out what you meant by comparing old movements and where forces are on my map, but still.

Please.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Furrnox on October 05, 2016, 08:04:51 pm
Just a minor thing...

Starting next turn any army or force that doesn't have a named leader will suffer a -3 penalty in combat. Please guys, it makes it 10x easier for me if you simply attach a name to an army, or even if a force is separating from the main army, if it's sizeable give it a leader. Even if he's -1 or just some average general who was not noteworthy in the war. When I attach names to armies GM wise it makes is infinitely easier for me to go "Kutuzov's Army attacks Davout's Army, great I know the sizes and make ups of those armies let's battle" instead of "Uh... 4th Prussian Corps, not army, vs... 12th French Division? No that's in Romania rn, which one's the one in Portugal atm? Is that the one with 2k or 40k?"

Also reread plans before you send them, I notice sometimes people put the wrong/same names. "Corps X attacks Paris while Corps X defends Marseille" etc. I usually catch it and ask for clarification if it's truly confusing, most of the time though I can figure out what you meant by comparing old movements and where forces are on my map, but still.

Please.

That's pretty dank makes it so people actually have to look up historic commanders.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on October 05, 2016, 09:35:37 pm
Can we switch Ney and Davout? Davout was God while ney was just good

#Davout+6
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on October 05, 2016, 09:48:46 pm
Thomas Cochrane should be added as another British naval modifier. He's badass. I also agree BabyJesus.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on October 05, 2016, 09:53:41 pm
Can Jean Bernadotte get a +20? I hear he was really really good

See that I got jokes ^
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Furrnox on October 05, 2016, 10:17:18 pm
Can Jean Bernadotte get a +20? I hear he was really really good

See that I got jokes ^

After he becomes the crown prince of Sweden I assume?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on October 05, 2016, 10:18:23 pm
Can Jean Bernadotte get a +20? I hear he was really really good

See that I got jokes ^

After he becomes the crown prince of Sweden I assume?
nah he can just get the bonus now
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on October 06, 2016, 12:04:54 am
Thomas Cochrane should be added as another British naval modifier. He's badass. I also agree BabyJesus.
no.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Volk on October 06, 2016, 03:20:39 am
Update may take longer than expected. I am having trouble with FSE's draft and post systems. Update versions aren't saving properly, drafts are bugging out and it takes me longer to safely work and save my work.

Edit: Locked thread until I can re-finish the update from google and (hopefully) post without hiccups.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Furrnox on October 06, 2016, 06:42:02 am
FSE is cancer confirmed.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on October 06, 2016, 02:38:49 pm
FSE ruined our update
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on October 06, 2016, 10:13:39 pm
Soon.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on October 06, 2016, 10:14:42 pm
Soon.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Ted on October 06, 2016, 10:18:39 pm
It's dead
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Raddeo on October 06, 2016, 10:24:40 pm
Just wait...
Spoiler
https://youtu.be/otZKdoHs06g?t=1m10s
[close]
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Volk on October 06, 2016, 10:30:35 pm
I've PM'd Duuring yesterday all of the errors and error messages I got while trying to make the update. I am still working on it and it is actually near completion. However, Spoilers have been bugging out a bit, which doesn't bode well for the update since... everything is in a spoiler.  :-\ I'm trying to find a work around while Duuring and the mods are looking into the problem to see if it's a minor issue or something needing fixing. Expect it today unless posting bugs out again.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Furrnox on October 07, 2016, 12:13:17 am
Thanks for the update Volk let's hope this problem get's resolved soon.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Volk on October 07, 2016, 12:47:43 am
So I tried to insert the update into a post on the game thread to post.
Here is what happened.

Check the attached files because spoilers do not seem to work anymore.

I can't update safely until this thing gets resolved. 

Edit: To explain the screenshots, the first screenshot is me after clicking Preview to see if the update will show up. FSE says that I have nothing typed even though it is clearly shown that I have the entire update typed into the box waiting to publish.

Second screenshot is me trying to save the update as a draft. FSE says that the message is empty even though it is clearly visible the entire update is right there.

Edit Edit: Like I said, I sent screens and more detailed information to duuring who is working on addressing the problem. If the problem persists we may need to set up an alternative medium to temporarily post the updates and we just keep playing on the thread. (Posting the update on a steam group and playing on FSE, etc) Duuring's working with the Forum devs on the issue, so a fix should be coming soon. Soon.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Furrnox on October 07, 2016, 12:58:21 am
Try posting it on a different web browser?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Volk on October 07, 2016, 01:03:56 am
Try posting it on a different web browser?
Same problem

Major Edit: So I sent BBJ a portion of the update (without detailed information regarding battles/major events of course) upon his request to look into the issue. One of the Battle spoilers in the update that I scrolled up to hide in my screenshots was a naval battle. In the text I sent to BBJ, the battle name and some words were typed. These words were formatted in the usual way I normally type: Font Times New roman, Font size 12, center, etc. He pressed Preview and got the same error that I got. However, upon deleting all of the bb code in the naval battle event spoiler, the message returned to normal and he could preview it no problem. The event obv was just normal standard fse text however it was visible.

We can now reasonably conclude, thanks to BabyJ, that the problem lies somewhere between FSE's BB code and FSE's spoilers. Perhaps some of the BB code bugs out when in spoilers or there is a conflict when BB code is inserted inside a spoiler which is already inside the main spoiler. We still don't know for sure, however it should help in figuring out what exactly the problem is. Thanks to BBJ for figuring out that crucial piece.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Furrnox on October 07, 2016, 01:14:44 am
If you add any text besides what you pasted in and than click post/preview does anything show up then?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Volk on October 07, 2016, 01:18:11 am
If you add any text besides what you pasted in and than click post/preview does anything show up then?
Yes, I tried that yesterday when I was testing the problem for Duuring. Let's say I also typed up the Summary under the Update, you know "Corsican fighting Austria with Britain, woo scary, Russia doing stuff, It's a European War wooooo". The Summary would show up once I hit Preview and Post, however the Spoiler and everything inside it would simply disappear. And if after posting I quoted the post to see if the BB code was still there, just invisible, the BB code would disappear after posting as well.

I tried it with test posts on the OOC thread and the same problem occurred during my test PM's and even in my PM to Duuring about the issue.  :-\

The issue is being resolved by Duuring and the devs, however I just wanted to bring attention to the problem in case any of you all experience it or figure out a way to work around or even fix it.

Major Edit: So I sent BBJ a portion of the update (without detailed information regarding battles/major events of course) upon his request to look into the issue. One of the Battle spoilers in the update that I scrolled up to hide in my screenshots was a naval battle. In the text I sent to BBJ, the battle name and some words were typed. These words were formatted in the usual way I normally type: Font Times New roman, Font size 12, center, etc. He pressed Preview and got the same error that I got. However, upon deleting all of the bb code in the naval battle event spoiler, the message returned to normal and he could preview it no problem. The event obv was just normal standard fse text however it was visible.

We can now reasonably conclude, thanks to BabyJ, that the problem lies somewhere between FSE's BB code and FSE's spoilers. Perhaps some of the BB code bugs out when in spoilers or there is a conflict when BB code is inserted inside a spoiler which is already inside the main spoiler. We still don't know for sure, however it should help in figuring out what exactly the problem is. Thanks to BBJ for figuring out that crucial piece.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Furrnox on October 07, 2016, 01:37:49 am
Yeah I was going to say try starting to remove BB Code to see where the issue is. Gj BabyJ
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on October 07, 2016, 01:39:56 am
i think i solved it boyos

jk...
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Ted on October 07, 2016, 09:36:24 am
Can'lt we just have the update without fancy formating?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on October 07, 2016, 09:37:35 am
Can'lt we just have the update without fancy formating?

No
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on October 07, 2016, 07:22:18 pm
Can'lt we just have the update without fancy formating?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on October 07, 2016, 10:11:45 pm
update?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Ted on October 07, 2016, 10:12:13 pm
Can'lt we just have the update without fancy formating?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Commander Bondage on October 07, 2016, 10:22:27 pm
le big SIGH
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on October 08, 2016, 02:25:48 am
le big SIGH
who are you?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Volk on October 08, 2016, 07:22:30 am
Update.

It's so ugly  :-[ Hopefully Duuring and the mods fix the issue soon so I can make my updates decent to read again. I also admit that it's not the best quality of writing I've been able to produce. I wasn't able to come up with as much creative stuff to say about events this time. The problems posting the update didn't help either.

I will be PM'ing non-event stuff separately to respective players (Like Russia and Sweden).
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on October 08, 2016, 08:28:00 am
Rip Nelson
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on October 08, 2016, 09:06:16 am
Rip Nelson

 :'(
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on October 08, 2016, 02:31:30 pm
Gibraltar is occupied but there is no mention of it in the update.  :-\
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Commander Bondage on October 08, 2016, 02:40:07 pm
Rip Nelson
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.joeydevilla.com%2Fwordpress%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F12%2Frip-nelson-mandela.jpg&hash=5600c8769e57c165bd09fcd91d4abc0f8052962e)

Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Bravescot on October 08, 2016, 02:58:41 pm
Rip Nelson

 :'(
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Bravescot on October 08, 2016, 04:07:46 pm
*Rip me connection spazzed up*
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on October 09, 2016, 12:51:21 am
Thanks warband for repairing my town :) fuck you too then warbanf

Side note. I really lover teh Russia vs. Sweden. They actually are exact opposites

Sweden: Military is an honor, Small Volunteer force, Highest morale in the world
Russia: Slave soldiers, huge conscription force, low morale
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on October 09, 2016, 01:45:27 am
can i get a "You Tried" sticker?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Raddeo on October 09, 2016, 12:05:04 pm
Indeed, BabyJesus, you truly deserve this sticker
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/LXUhoVdqEIk/hqdefault.jpg)
I believe that place of such role-playing propaganda is rather in the game thread, not here. If you want to talk here, then please, stay true to historical facts. Military in Sweden wasn't an honour, it was a business. Son of landless peasant would receive own farm in exchange for his service, so it was just profitable to join an army. Morale was indeed guite good in Swedish forces (for soldiers wanted to win and return to their farms), but on the other hand, indelta were rather militia than real standing army, so Swedish army was terribly trained and could not be compared to real armies of any european powers. Also morale of Russians cannot be called "low". These people were one of the best drilled soldiers in Europe, thanks to brutal discipline they were like machines fighting to the very last moment. Russian generals were bad, it's true, they used obsolete tactics, had no knowledge about advanced manoeuvres, etc but the soldiers themselves were very good, well trained and with quite high morale.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Bravescot on October 09, 2016, 12:12:50 pm
Gib me dur Dutch pl0x
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on October 09, 2016, 04:25:03 pm
Indeed, BabyJesus, you truly deserve this sticker
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/LXUhoVdqEIk/hqdefault.jpg)
I believe that place of such role-playing propaganda is rather in the game thread, not here. If you want to talk here, then please, stay true to historical facts. Military in Sweden wasn't an honour, it was a business. Son of landless peasant would receive own farm in exchange for his service, so it was just profitable to join an army. Morale was indeed guite good in Swedish forces (for soldiers wanted to win and return to their farms), but on the other hand, indelta were rather militia than real standing army, so Swedish army was terribly trained and could not be compared to real armies of any european powers. Also morale of Russians cannot be called "low". These people were one of the best drilled soldiers in Europe, thanks to brutal discipline they were like machines fighting to the very last moment. Russian generals were bad, it's true, they used obsolete tactics, had no knowledge about advanced manoeuvres, etc but the soldiers themselves were very good, well trained and with quite high morale.
http://www.napoleon-series.org/military/battles/c_finnish.html (http://www.napoleon-series.org/military/battles/c_finnish.html)

Your right about the Swedish being poorly trained. They had like 1 training a year.

And this wasn't really propaganda or anything. It's just something I found interesting
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Volk on October 09, 2016, 04:41:12 pm
Trafalgar Square?  :-[

Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on October 09, 2016, 04:46:34 pm
Trafalgar Square?  :-[

Sorry - renamed it.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Bravescot on October 09, 2016, 04:50:17 pm
Gib me dur Dutch pl0x
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on October 09, 2016, 05:57:40 pm
Trafalgar Square?  :-[

Sorry - renamed it.
should name the square Oresund Square. That way people will always remember Nelson for his last battle
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Furrnox on October 09, 2016, 08:40:07 pm
The battle he got absolutely annihilated in.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on October 09, 2016, 11:59:22 pm
The battle he got absolutely annihilated in.
the best way to honor him
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Ted on October 10, 2016, 05:28:31 pm
Well, this game just turned far more interesting then any other BoP we have played here so far.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Volk on October 10, 2016, 05:33:44 pm
Well, this game just turned far more interesting then any other BoP we have played here so far.
Less is more?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on October 10, 2016, 05:58:40 pm
Well, this game just turned far more interesting then any other BoP we have played here so far.
Less is more?
53e?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Commander Bondage on October 10, 2016, 06:23:02 pm
Well, this game just turned far more interesting then any other BoP we have played here so far.
Less is more?
Is the character in your avatar positioning herself to place that weapon into her rectum? That's not very hygienic or safe.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Ted on October 10, 2016, 06:24:59 pm
Well, this game just turned far more interesting then any other BoP we have played here so far.
Less is more?
Is the character in your avatar positioning herself to place that weapon into her rectum? That's not very hygienic or safe.


Now I somehow think that Bondage really got something into his rectum - why is he so keen in stuff like that?  :P  But ok, as the guy who used to have a bf I shouldn't be the one talking about stuff like that here....
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on October 10, 2016, 06:25:18 pm
Well, this game just turned far more interesting then any other BoP we have played here so far.
Less is more?
Is the character in your avatar positioning herself to place that weapon into her rectum? That's not very hygienic or safe.
i bet she's taken bigger things
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on October 10, 2016, 06:26:13 pm
Well, this game just turned far more interesting then any other BoP we have played here so far.
Less is more?
Is the character in your avatar positioning herself to place that weapon into her rectum? That's not very hygienic or safe.
i bet she's taken bigger things

Examples pls
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on October 10, 2016, 06:27:52 pm
Well, this game just turned far more interesting then any other BoP we have played here so far.
Less is more?
Is the character in your avatar positioning herself to place that weapon into her rectum? That's not very hygienic or safe.
i bet she's taken bigger things

Examples pls
giant tentacle
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Volk on October 11, 2016, 04:13:48 am
Just a heads up, until the BB code or spoilers or whatever the problem is, is fixed I will not be editing the main game thread. I can't afford to lose the main thread trying to add a "Previous Updates" section or something along those lines.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on October 11, 2016, 05:14:41 am
Just a heads up, until the BB code or spoilers or whatever the problem is, is fixed I will not be editing the main game thread. I can't afford to lose the main thread trying to add a "Previous Updates" section or something along those lines.
hm what if you added it to this section for now. that way theres no risk
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: DoctorWarband on October 13, 2016, 07:51:49 pm
napoleon (the Ottoman one) is thirsty for attention
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Emperor Napoleon on October 13, 2016, 07:53:52 pm
it also went a bit quiet


everyone forgets about me anyway :'(
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: DoctorWarband on October 13, 2016, 08:11:07 pm
it also went a bit quiet


everyone forgets about me anyway :'(
it's because you're thirsty for attention
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on October 14, 2016, 01:15:31 am
when your about to get  trading post adn then you remember your Sweden and involved in a giant war
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on October 15, 2016, 07:49:17 pm
Much plan much wow
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on October 17, 2016, 06:39:01 pm
Bump
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Volk on October 18, 2016, 01:23:21 am
I've gotten more messages saying "Plans coming soon" than messages with actual plans.  ???
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Freedom on October 18, 2016, 01:30:55 am
Bump
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on October 18, 2016, 01:47:27 am
I've gotten more messages saying "Plans coming soon" than messages with actual plans.  ???
dont worry my plans are coming soon
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Volk on October 19, 2016, 05:47:33 am
Sigh
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Emperor Napoleon on October 19, 2016, 07:23:04 pm
have people lost interest?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on October 19, 2016, 07:25:31 pm
have people lost interest?
im just lazy
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Rhen on October 19, 2016, 08:11:39 pm
Just update, ffs.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Volk on October 19, 2016, 08:30:19 pm
Just update, ffs.
might as well
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Ted on October 19, 2016, 08:39:39 pm
Just update, ffs.
might as well

Wait one more day plox
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on October 21, 2016, 05:40:39 am
You should do a deadline or something. Like tomorrow is the last day to send in plans
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Volk on October 21, 2016, 06:16:52 am
Might just start updating whenever I feel like it after an absurd amount of time
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Emperor Napoleon on October 21, 2016, 09:07:23 am
Just set a time, like every 3/4 days or something. waiting 2 weeks for something to happen is kinda stupid....
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Furrnox on October 21, 2016, 09:51:59 am
Just update, ffs.
might as well

I need to finnish my shit pls.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on October 22, 2016, 03:44:37 am
Finally sent in my plans. Am I a good boy yet?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Volk on October 22, 2016, 06:15:39 am
Sigh

All plans past this point will be considered late

Edit: I would like to propose 2 amendments to the rules:

- Change 1 is a new rule regarding the deadline of plans. There still wouldn't be a deadline for plans, however after a certain period of time (minimum 1 week) for every day a player fails to send in their plans their plans are delayed in game by 1 week. So if a player spends 10 days before finally sending plans, the plans actually go into effect 3 weeks into the update. Etc etc. Ignore the details, just the general idea of a delayed plan implentation penalty for delaying of sending plans.
- Change 2 is regarding espionage. Not even 5 people have sent me their plans, however already I count nearly 10 acts of espionage. Should there be sort of cap or limit to espionage targets, acts, etc? Like only 1 espionage act per turn, or only 1 target of espionage per turn.

I also implore all of you to work on your communication. Not just between myself & you all, but between yourselves. I have spoken to only 3 people in the past 2 weeks regarding the BoP, & I'm not only counting being contacted about plans. From even the most mundane questions to confirmation of ideas to simple "I'll be gone these days, if my allies say so then do so" only about 3 people have contacted me at all. I notice as well that even players that are supposed to be allies & planning together aren't even on the same page sometimes, or assumptions are made. The game will progress as smoothly & quickly as you all want it to. I can't really do anything other than wait continually for plans (& oh how I still wait).

I'm tired & I can't think of an ending, so I'll just say thanks in advance. I've been working on a few side projects & side forum games for future experimentation to keep myself busy, so I also would greatly appreciate it if you all could give me insight on certain things in the future should I ever ask. Like I said, thanks in advance.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Theodoor on October 25, 2016, 09:36:50 am
I like the amendments, you've got my support!
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Volk on October 26, 2016, 01:55:38 am
I've now finally received plans from all the major powers and the minor nations. I will now focus my attention towards the very belated update, so if you have any changes to your plans at all get them in by the end of Wednesday night. Update will be Friday-Saturday, I'm shooting for Friday.

Just so everyone knows, plans submitted after 21 October 2016, 23:15:39 will still have the late penalty, ie in game circumstances will happen that will cause the implementation of a player's plans to be implemented late. I'm shooting for under 1 month (as in weather or messenger being shot etc causes plans to be delayed by less than or equal to 1 month). This will be upheld unless unanimous or near unanimous player support for a delay of the new Late Plan rule is shown on this thread.

I implore you all to communicate more effectively with each other and me. Being kept in the dark helps nobody.  :-[ Thank you in advance
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Furrnox on October 26, 2016, 09:34:50 pm
Changing rules in-between updates is a bit silly changes should be implemented after an update not during one imo.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on October 26, 2016, 09:57:46 pm
Changing rules in-between updates is a bit silly changes should be implemented after an update not during one imo.
i agree. It should apply from now on. I'm sure if people knew about the penalty they would never have been late in the 1st place :P
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Emperor Napoleon on October 26, 2016, 10:19:05 pm
Changing rules in-between updates is a bit silly changes should be implemented after an update not during one imo.
I agree, but since it's taken this long for people to send in plans it doesn't really matter
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Volk on October 27, 2016, 12:10:36 am
I am currently doing all of the espionage actions and moves. Everybody who sent me their plans before the date I assigned as late will be able to edit their plans according to the results of their espionage with no penalty. Those who sent me their plans after the date will also be able to send me edits to their plans according to the espionage results, however their plans will remain with a penalty; however, the penalty will be applied as if the edits were the original late plans, so there's no added penalty for editing your late plans.

I might change my previous proposal regarding a new Espionage rule.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Ted on October 27, 2016, 06:55:50 am
I am currently doing all of the espionage actions and moves. Everybody who sent me their plans before the date I assigned as late will be able to edit their plans according to the results of their espionage with no penalty. Those who sent me their plans after the date will also be able to send me edits to their plans according to the espionage results, however their plans will remain with a penalty; however, the penalty will be applied as if the edits were the original late plans, so there's no added penalty for editing your late plans.

I might change my previous proposal regarding a new Espionage rule.

Wtf? Couldn't you have told us earlier that you can edit your plans after espionage in the same turn?  I totally disagree with these midturn-rulechanges.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on October 27, 2016, 08:21:02 am
I am currently doing all of the espionage actions and moves. Everybody who sent me their plans before the date I assigned as late will be able to edit their plans according to the results of their espionage with no penalty. Those who sent me their plans after the date will also be able to send me edits to their plans according to the espionage results, however their plans will remain with a penalty; however, the penalty will be applied as if the edits were the original late plans, so there's no added penalty for editing your late plans.

I might change my previous proposal regarding a new Espionage rule.

Wtf? Couldn't you have told us earlier that you can edit your plans after espionage in the same turn?  I totally disagree with these midturn-rulechanges.
whats the point of spying if you can't capitalize on it? I've never really used spies but I figured you would be able to edit your plans. Otherwise the spy would be useless
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Volk on October 27, 2016, 01:19:54 pm
I am currently doing all of the espionage actions and moves. Everybody who sent me their plans before the date I assigned as late will be able to edit their plans according to the results of their espionage with no penalty. Those who sent me their plans after the date will also be able to send me edits to their plans according to the espionage results, however their plans will remain with a penalty; however, the penalty will be applied as if the edits were the original late plans, so there's no added penalty for editing your late plans.

I might change my previous proposal regarding a new Espionage rule.

Wtf? Couldn't you have told us earlier that you can edit your plans after espionage in the same turn?  I totally disagree with these midturn-rulechanges.
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It's been this way since 1914?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Ted on October 27, 2016, 01:41:34 pm
I am currently doing all of the espionage actions and moves. Everybody who sent me their plans before the date I assigned as late will be able to edit their plans according to the results of their espionage with no penalty. Those who sent me their plans after the date will also be able to send me edits to their plans according to the espionage results, however their plans will remain with a penalty; however, the penalty will be applied as if the edits were the original late plans, so there's no added penalty for editing your late plans.

I might change my previous proposal regarding a new Espionage rule.

Wtf? Couldn't you have told us earlier that you can edit your plans after espionage in the same turn?  I totally disagree with these midturn-rulechanges.
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It's been this way since 1914?

There is NOTHING saying anything about that in the rules. After all I would have expected your plans to be delayed in this turn if you started to espionage in this turn. This way spying someone out takes seriously NO time and you can just get your secret information by magical deus ex machina.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Volk on October 27, 2016, 02:03:02 pm


There is NOTHING saying anything about that in the rules. After all I would have expected your plans to be delayed in this turn if you started to espionage in this turn. This way spying someone out takes seriously NO time and you can just get your secret information by magical deus ex machina.
You want me to delay the orders of people who sent me their plans which happened to also do espionage even though they were on time?  ???
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Ted on October 27, 2016, 02:09:25 pm


There is NOTHING saying anything about that in the rules. After all I would have expected your plans to be delayed in this turn if you started to espionage in this turn. This way spying someone out takes seriously NO time and you can just get your secret information by magical deus ex machina.
You want me to delay the orders of people who sent me their plans which happened to also do espionage even though they were on time?  ???

I want to see planchanges delayed due to espionage orders that were given together with the plan. According from what you said it currently looks like this to me:

Player sends plan + a new espionage order at the same time --- Espionage takes NO time, the player just gets magic information for having said "I send spys to xy" without any delay --- Player changes plan, no delays are put in effect and the whole espionage action happened without any time having passed on.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Volk on October 27, 2016, 05:43:03 pm

I want to see planchanges delayed due to espionage orders that were given together with the plan. According from what you said it currently looks like this to me:

Player sends plan + a new espionage order at the same time --- Espionage takes NO time, the player just gets magic information for having said "I send spys to xy" without any delay --- Player changes plan, no delays are put in effect and the whole espionage action happened without any time having passed on.
Not all spy actions are "I send spy to D city and bloop". Assassinations, sabotages, scouting & hussars exploring for example I count as "espionage" for simplicity's sake. Regarding travel time, not all spies move from X to Y. Some spies are already in major cities awaiting orders to infiltrate  group, sabotage something, assassinate someone, etc... Which negates the whole "travel time" factor. Or, due to turn ending, they simply are interrupted in the middle of their order and will continue the order into the next turn. So not all espionage deserves a massive time penalty to it.

If I did make edits penalized for lateness for people who sent plans on time, that means I also have to penalize those who sent their orders late. This means those who sent their plans late will receive a penalty for late implementation, then get penalized again because their espionage, which was also implemented late, makes them change their orders which would be an added penalty. So let's say your plans were late Ted. Your spy does his mission one month late & gives you information one month late. Then you send me a revision. Your plans, already a month behind, are delayed another (for example) 2 weeks. So your new plans are implemented a month and 2 weeks into the turn. That's a major disadvantage to anybody (except maybe the opponent you're fighting). I'd rather not start slapping penalty after penalty after penalty on people. We already have the Late penalty & the No General Penalty.  :-[
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Raddeo on October 27, 2016, 06:36:17 pm
I fully agree with Ted, using spies should (in most cases) lead to delaying of edited plans. Troops should start executing original orders and then, after for example two weeks, abandon old instructions and follow edited ones. That would make much more sense. That would also encourage players to use spies in more logical way, to discover the road ahead of their armies (to make edits possibly small and thus delays possibly insignificant) instead of sending them to the other part of the world and editing orders basing on news received from other part of continent. And even if the spy is already on place, then delivering the news, preparing new orders, delivering them to an army, etc. still should take time. You've once tried to explain me your theory about pace of movement of units and teleportation of spies doesn't seem to fit it ;)

I also think that whole idea of Late penalty is missed. It's all nice and fun when the only thing one has to worry about is math homework, but it's getting harder, when at the same time you have to study, work, prepare your thesis, etc. and of course you have to discuss your actions with several player who all have similar real life duties. One of major advantages of turn-based games is their time-independence. Why would we get stripped of it freely? Personally I don't care if I have to wait a week, two, or maybe a month to see an update. It's just a game, and I prefer to know that both my allies and my enemies had time to prepare their orders in peace, to think of best solutions, than to just play as fast as possible aware, that half of actions in each turn makes totally no sense due to lack of time to prepare them.

But I like the overall idea of limiting usage of spies. But maybe not by strict limit (as you've proposed), but rather by lowering change of success depending on number of used spies? So if you use just one spy in a turn, then probably he will succeed and bring a lot of info, but if you send four of them, then almost surely, all of them will fail. Strict limits are boring, they make game predictable.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on October 27, 2016, 07:10:34 pm
Some sort of deadline has to be in place otherwise everyone forgets about the game. If it takes a month for an update, people lose interest, especially those that only go on the forums for forum games. It has been a problem with nearly every single forum game so far

Btw I recommend pms to communicate with your allies instead of steam. It is a lot better because you both don't have to be online in order for you to talk. Also can talk about more in depth plans and include maps

The spy limitation idea you proposed raddeo is interesting although I it would be a lot simpler to limit how many actions a nation can do. Volk never really gave any specific numbers. The 1 espionage action was just an example. She even said ignore th details. She just wanted to see what people thought about limiting espionage
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Volk on October 29, 2016, 03:46:54 am
I need help. We have a dire situation.

Both sides rolled a 30 in a battle.  :-[  :o

Does this mean... both generals die...? That's what I had in mind for the meaning of 30-Rolls, but... this is...

Help.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Furrnox on October 29, 2016, 05:28:33 am
Neither should die I think.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Ted on October 29, 2016, 08:08:04 am
I need help. We have a dire situation.

Both sides rolled a 30 in a battle.  :-[  :o

Does this mean... both generals die...? That's what I had in mind for the meaning of 30-Rolls, but... this is...

Help.

Well, as the diceroll gives the damage for the enemy side I assume both Generals should be wounded or killed.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on October 29, 2016, 09:11:29 am
I don't think a 30 should always be a guaranteed general kill. Maybe do a separate roll for them or something
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on October 29, 2016, 02:27:22 pm
I think maybe you should raise the dice roll to kill generals to 30 rather than 40. At this rate, all our generals are gonna be dead within 1804. Anyway, I think in this case both generals should be wounded rather than killed.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Raddeo on October 29, 2016, 04:03:34 pm
Kill them! Kill them both! Let the blood be spilled and let the dead cover the field of battle! Death!
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Nightdragger on October 29, 2016, 05:00:36 pm
I need help. We have a dire situation.

Both sides rolled a 30 in a battle.  :-[  :o

Does this mean... both generals die...? That's what I had in mind for the meaning of 30-Rolls, but... this is...

Help.

Error 404, Volk.exe isn't working anymore. Do you want sent a bugreport to microsoft?

And yes, I think both Generals should die, maybe both side orderd that theyr arty should fire at the enemie HQ? :P
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Rhen on October 29, 2016, 05:58:31 pm
Kill them! Kill them both! Let the blood be spilled and let the dead cover the field of battle! Death!
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on October 29, 2016, 11:49:25 pm
Update hype?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Volk on October 30, 2016, 01:20:30 am
Update hype?
I feel equally pumped and equally... saddened. :-[ I feel bad for some nations...
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Emperor Napoleon on October 30, 2016, 06:09:08 pm
update?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Volk on October 30, 2016, 06:13:05 pm
update?
3/9 Battles written
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Cazasar on October 30, 2016, 06:30:16 pm
9 Battles? even more hype
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Ted on October 30, 2016, 06:36:19 pm
9 Battles? even more hype

hype hype hype
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: DoctorWarband on October 30, 2016, 07:16:34 pm
update?
3/9 Battles written
If you need help writing stuff let me know, I have some time and am bored.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on October 30, 2016, 07:17:55 pm
lol I bet my naval invasion of London was a success. Lol the U.K. are so bad
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on October 30, 2016, 07:22:00 pm
lol I bet my naval invasion of London was a success. Lol the U.K. are so bad

god damn it
i guess britain becomes a swedish colony
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Volk on October 30, 2016, 07:58:41 pm
Anybody want to write a minor delay-battle? I'm busy writing what is effectively Austerlitz and I have some minor rearguard actions that I need done.  :-\
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: DoctorWarband on October 30, 2016, 08:08:54 pm
Anybody want to write a minor delay-battle? I'm busy writing what is effectively Austerlitz and I have some minor rearguard actions that I need done.  :-\
Me!
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Ted on October 30, 2016, 08:45:08 pm
Anybody want to write a minor delay-battle? I'm busy writing what is effectively Austerlitz and I have some minor rearguard actions that I need done.  :-\

Omfg dat spoiler
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on October 30, 2016, 08:51:06 pm
Anybody want to write a minor delay-battle? I'm busy writing what is effectively Austerlitz and I have some minor rearguard actions that I need done.  :-\

Omfg dat spoiler
not really
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on October 30, 2016, 09:07:40 pm
Anybody want to write a minor delay-battle? I'm busy writing what is effectively Austerlitz and I have some minor rearguard actions that I need done.  :-\

Omfg dat spoiler
not really

RIP Austria and Russia
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Volk on October 30, 2016, 09:08:12 pm
I've encountered another bug.  :-[ I've posted to the Issue thread. I will continue working on the update.

Edit: 6/9 done. Ty to DoctorWarband. All that's left is a series of 3 battles connected to each other.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Volk on October 30, 2016, 11:14:23 pm
Update

Edit: See the Battle of Stockholm Waters for my most favorite work so far
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Cazasar on October 30, 2016, 11:32:35 pm
Never trust a turkroach
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on October 30, 2016, 11:56:20 pm
and ted wonders why everyone hates him xD
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Bravescot on October 31, 2016, 12:46:17 am
Update

Edit: See the Battle of Stockholm Waters for my most favorite work so far

A lot of Ships of the Line but very little mention of other rates :(. A great read though.

I would really like in a few of these story's to read the heroism of maybe a particular ship or regiment during these battles. We know that the Napoleonic Wars are full of the stories of valour by particular units. That for example the 3rd and 57th Regiments of Foot at the Battle of Albuera on the 16 May 1811. Their bravery in holding the flank of the British Army is credited as a major moment of the battle that helped the British recover and bring the battle to a stalemate when I could have been a bloody defeat.

Can I be Batavaria yet or are you determined to keep me out? xD
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Raddeo on October 31, 2016, 01:01:57 am
When was Austrian Empire (or even Holy Roman Empire itself) shrunk to Austrian Archduchy only? Have I missed some events again?

Also, RIP Cronstedt, it's nice that were getting rid of strange bonuses added after the game already started ;)
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Volk on October 31, 2016, 01:23:25 am
When was Austrian Empire (or even Holy Roman Empire itself) shrunk to Austrian Archduchy only? Have I missed some events again?

Also, RIP Cronstedt, it's nice that were getting rid of strange bonuses added after the game already started ;)
I messed up on my part. I knew that Francis II was Emperor of the HRE, but I incorrectly assumed that "that means Austria = Empire". Austria was in fact an Archduchy up until the dissolution of the HRE. Francis then remade Austria into it's own empire in order to make up the rank from Duke (technically) back to Emperor. I would edit the game thread but... FSE.  :-[

Also some nations might get a bonus should their generals do exceptionally well. Has to be exceptional though. Like... John Moore rolling a 30 to Napoleon's 1 exceptional for example. Or a particular person winning seemingly every battle. These should be extremely rare though.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on October 31, 2016, 02:06:01 am
When was Austrian Empire (or even Holy Roman Empire itself) shrunk to Austrian Archduchy only? Have I missed some events again?

Also, RIP Cronstedt, it's nice that were getting rid of strange bonuses added after the game already started ;)
Cronstedat did win every single battle he was a part of. And he rekt the best navy in the world. He was good admiral. Shame he is gone.

Side note: something I found funny is that both the Russian and Swedish admirals that were in that battle were at one point considered a disgrace
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Bravescot on October 31, 2016, 08:31:51 am
Completely skipped over me, kind of expected.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Ted on October 31, 2016, 09:37:52 am
*sigh*
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: DoctorWarband on October 31, 2016, 10:29:01 am
*sigh*
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Raddeo on October 31, 2016, 10:58:02 am
So... is this "Late Penalty" in the game, or not? It would be nice to know how many time we have now. Also, if this penalty is valid, then I'd like to ask when we can expect to see secret reports about things not connected with events in the update (movements of troops, rumors from the realm, situation in country, etc). If we have a week only to prepare orders, then even an hour of delay with such reports can matter. We have to discuss many things with players, and for now I don't even know where half of my forces are.
Also finally, what about spies? Any changes, or still we can use as many as we want and receive results of their actions immediatelly?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Volk on October 31, 2016, 12:50:02 pm
So... is this "Late Penalty" in the game, or not? It would be nice to know how many time we have now. Also, if this penalty is valid, then I'd like to ask when we can expect to see secret reports about things not connected with events in the update (movements of troops, rumors from the realm, situation in country, etc). If we have a week only to prepare orders, then even an hour of delay with such reports can matter. We have to discuss many things with players, and for now I don't even know where half of my forces are.
Also finally, what about spies? Any changes, or still we can use as many as we want and receive results of their actions immediatelly?
Like I said, the minimum time is 2 weeks. If 2 weeks pass and I see I don't have many/most plans, I'll ask how much more time feels like needs to be added. If most people have their plans in and you all say "2 more days, I want my update" then I apply to those who haven't sent by the two extra days.Etc etc

All this can be avoided easily though. :-\ Communication with other players should make planning easier. Communication with be as well would not only get your plans in faster but also keep me updated on anything that might require extension. This update I did the time penalty because I got plans way too late with no communication before or after. If let's say somebody said "I have finals all week" or better yet "We have finals all week" then I know I should not penalize and I'll just add more time. Communication is key  :-[

No spy changes, I'm still debating how to tackle it.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Bravescot on October 31, 2016, 06:00:33 pm
*sigh*
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: DoctorWarband on October 31, 2016, 06:10:35 pm
*sigh*
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Rhen on October 31, 2016, 06:14:26 pm
Put your feet together, your right hand up, stand straight and SIEG MOTHERFUCKING HEIL!
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on October 31, 2016, 06:22:44 pm
 8)
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Raddeo on November 01, 2016, 01:19:55 am
Ekhm... in 1804 Carl Adlercreutz was colonel, not a general. Shoudn't Swedish army in Lapland suffer -3 modifier for lack of general?

Also, Volk, you have little error in your treaties sheet. I have trade agreement with Austria, which is not menitoned in your sheet.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Volk on November 01, 2016, 01:21:15 am
Ekhm... in 1804 Carl Adlercreutz was colonel, not a general. Shoudn't Swedish army in Lapland suffer -3 modifier for lack of general?

Also, Volk, you have little error in your treaties sheet. I have trade agreement with Austria, which is not menitoned in your sheet.
I haven't updated the Game thread in weeks because FSE is currently broken.

It's been old for a long time.  :-[

Edit: Oh rip, I must've missed it then. I'll look over again
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Raddeo on November 01, 2016, 01:23:39 am
But treaties sheet is on Google, not on FSE. You can update it for sure. Also, I love your habit to ignore half of every message.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Volk on November 01, 2016, 01:29:14 am
But treaties sheet is on Google, not on FSE. You can update it for sure. Also, I love your habit to ignore half of every message.
I didn't ignore it. I just can't really answer it.

Unless you want me to say that BabyJ made him a General. Kind of a secret (or at least not something I should just tell) but you know.

I've fixed and identified the problem. The trade agreement was when Caz said "I accept all trade agreements offered." I must've forgotten to put you two as trading, which is weird because in the back of my mind I thought you two were trading.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on November 01, 2016, 02:07:04 am
Russia and the Ottomans relationship right now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jmpiAkV2l0
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on November 01, 2016, 10:20:36 pm
Nice update this week. Try and work on my orders tomorrow.

By the way, I've been wondering, whether our commanders have bonuses based on their actions and experience during the game rather than just starting with bonuses?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Volk on November 02, 2016, 12:06:26 am
The BB code bug has been fixed! I will edit the main thread along with adding much needed sections, like Previous Updates!

By the way, I've been wondering, whether our commanders have bonuses based on their actions and experience during the game rather than just starting with bonuses?
I don't exactly understand what you're asking. Do you mean if generals with +0 will get +3's etc if they do well? If that's what you mean then yes, if a leader does exceptionally well they may go from +0 to +3, or -3 to 0, etc. These will be rare though, or at the very least very difficult to acquire.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on November 02, 2016, 12:21:51 am
Is it possible for a general that already has a bonus to go up? Like lets say Napoleon wins rolls like 10 more 30s and everyone else rolls a 1. Would he go up to a +12?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on November 02, 2016, 08:51:19 am
That's what I was wondering, thanks
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Bravescot on November 02, 2016, 12:41:50 pm
My Batavaria is lies over the ocean. My Batavaria is lies over the seeaaaa! My Batavaria is lies over the ocean! To give me Batavaria pleeeeease.

Give me, give me, oh give Batavaria  to me, to me. Giiive me, giiive me, oh give Batavaria toooo meeeee!
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Reznov on November 02, 2016, 01:15:28 pm
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And this is why I wasn't hyped to see Volk back. Once again her stupidity reigns supreme.
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I know you will do well my child. Just do what I did; abuse the shit out of Volk's lack of knowledge.

Go on your knees and beg pls.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Bravescot on November 02, 2016, 01:44:35 pm
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And this is why I wasn't hyped to see Volk back. Once again her stupidity reigns supreme.
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I know you will do well my child. Just do what I did; abuse the shit out of Volk's lack of knowledge.

Go on your knees and beg pls.

I still stand by those comments. Others have done worse and said worse and been let back in so why should this be any different?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on November 02, 2016, 01:48:33 pm
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And this is why I wasn't hyped to see Volk back. Once again her stupidity reigns supreme.
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I know you will do well my child. Just do what I did; abuse the shit out of Volk's lack of knowledge.

Go on your knees and beg pls.

I still stand by those comments. Others have done worse and said worse and been let back in so why should this be any different?
Stark wasn't let into any of your games
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Bravescot on November 02, 2016, 02:18:17 pm
His actions got him permanently banned from the forums, big difference there.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Commander Bondage on November 02, 2016, 02:32:44 pm
His actions got him permanently banned from the forums, big difference there.
I think the only difference was you got super triggered
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Bravescot on November 02, 2016, 02:35:30 pm
His actions got him permanently banned from the forums, big difference there.
I think the only difference was you got super triggered
I can agree I got triggered
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Volk on November 03, 2016, 06:36:47 am
The Cubs won the world series. To celebrate I'm giving every player some sort of bonus or reward. Probably something small, or something. I'll think it over. Might just be some extra time too if you guys want.

Go Cubs Go
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on November 03, 2016, 06:43:53 am
Gib Sweden brand new ak-47s
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Ted on November 03, 2016, 09:15:00 am
His actions got him permanently banned from the forums, big difference there.
I think the only difference was you got super triggered
I can agree I got triggered

I actually have to support Bravescot in this point, Stark seriously supported terrorism and made fun of thousands that died.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Commander Bondage on November 03, 2016, 03:07:13 pm
His actions got him permanently banned from the forums, big difference there.
I think the only difference was you got super triggered
I can agree I got triggered

I actually have to support Bravescot in this point, Stark seriously supported terrorism and made fun of thousands that died.
You think he'll ever look back and cringe?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Volk on November 04, 2016, 07:38:54 pm
Thinking about the reward or bonus to you all, I've thought of 3 things:

-An extra week or so to plan.In honor of the Cubs winning & because election, working weekend, & birthday I can give you all an extra week.
-Choice between 2 Ships of the Line or Two-Three thousand infantry, spawned where you want or in an army away from immediate combat.
-Other
-Your suggestion here

You all have to agree.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on November 04, 2016, 07:39:50 pm
Choice between 2 ships of the line or the infantry
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Ted on November 04, 2016, 10:03:40 pm
Let's spawn to Ships of the Line at Munich  :D  :-*   ;)
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on November 04, 2016, 10:33:55 pm
I want my army to spawn at the tsars house
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Raddeo on November 04, 2016, 10:39:21 pm
None, and none! I don't think any of us really care about some team winning some game somewhere in the world. I can see no reason why our long planned actions should now go vain, just because someone would go full deus ex machina and magically create soldiers out of mud and dust. Either such spawns would make no difference (yay, add 3k men to army of 100k, such change) or would make terrible difference (double size of an army by adding 3k to almost destroyed ensembly and let it fight even if it should be destroyed in next battle). And concerning time for plans - either we claim that limits are there to make game enjoyable for all us and to avoid forcing us to wait too long, or we claim that they're here just because you want them here and we start manipulating it at every occasion. But if the latter is true, then I can see no reason for existance of such limits at all. So I vote against any proposition.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Ted on November 05, 2016, 10:10:45 am
None, and none! I don't think any of us really care about some team winning some game somewhere in the world. I can see no reason why our long planned actions should now go vain, just because someone would go full deus ex machina and magically create soldiers out of mud and dust. Either such spawns would make no difference (yay, add 3k men to army of 100k, such change) or would make terrible difference (double size of an army by adding 3k to almost destroyed ensembly and let it fight even if it should be destroyed in next battle). And concerning time for plans - either we claim that limits are there to make game enjoyable for all us and to avoid forcing us to wait too long, or we claim that they're here just because you want them here and we start manipulating it at every occasion. But if the latter is true, then I can see no reason for existance of such limits at all. So I vote against any proposition.

+1

I would agree to an extra week of planning though
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on November 06, 2016, 05:47:57 am
I was bored so i added up all the casualties. The numbers are killed, wounded, and captured all added together. I think im starting to feel bad for Austria.

British: 17 SOL* | 14,250

Denmark:4 SOL | 900

French: 2 SOL | 52,522

Sweden: 10 SOL | 15,000

Prussia: 22,900

Austria: 111,884

Spanish: 11 SOL | 11,500

Russia: 8 SOL | 21,000

Bavaria: 11,172


*SOL=Ships of the Line
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Cazasar on November 06, 2016, 10:37:58 am
I think the math mistake raddeo pointet put at the beginning is hurting me the most.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Ted on November 06, 2016, 11:20:16 am
I think the math mistake raddeo pointet put at the beginning is hurting me the most.

^
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on November 06, 2016, 05:35:08 pm
I think the math mistake raddeo pointet put at the beginning is hurting me the most.
i think it's just your bad luck. You rolled the lowest possible roll while France rolled the highest possible roll. That one battle was like 40,000 casualties. You also loss every battle
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Raddeo on November 06, 2016, 10:35:28 pm
BabyJesus, the fact that one is true, does not mean, that the other is not. Cazasar may indeed have terribly bad luck. But Volk's math may be as bad as Cazasar's luck.

I cannot think of any real battle during Napoleonic Wars, in which casualties of one side would be even remotely close to size of emeny's army. And in our game almost every battle ends with such results. In almost every battle in which size of one army is much bigger than size of the other, bigger army suffers irrational loses.
Battle of Emden, France had 6 500 men, Britain lost 4 350 men.
Battle of Torino, Russia had 20 000 men, Swedes lost 15 000 men.
Battle of Starnberg, France had 58 200, Austrians lost 53 750 men.
Battle of Viipuri, Denmark had 10 000, Russia lost 9 500 men.
Even in historical battle of Auestedt, casualties of Prussia were equal to only 55,5% of French army. Only event I can think of is pursuit after battle of Vauchamps, but if was a result of battle itself, in which loses of coallition were not even close to those which he have in our game.
Current mechanics and math used in this game make totally no sense. Neither historically nor tactically. It's impossible to predict results of any campaign, and even Montenegro could now rule the world after one battle with good rolls. I'm not starting this discussion again, I don't really care anymore, but as this topic was mentioned, I've felt obligated to show some things forth.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Ted on November 07, 2016, 07:32:30 am
BabyJesus, the fact that one is true, does not mean, that the other is not. Cazasar may indeed have terribly bad luck. But Volk's math may be as bad as Cazasar's luck.

I cannot think of any real battle during Napoleonic Wars, in which casualties of one side would be even remotely close to size of emeny's army. And in our game almost every battle ends with such results. In almost every battle in which size of one army is much bigger than size of the other, bigger army suffers irrational loses.
Battle of Emden, France had 6 500 men, Britain lost 4 350 men.
Battle of Torino, Russia had 20 000 men, Swedes lost 15 000 men.
Battle of Starnberg, France had 58 200, Austrians lost 53 750 men.
Battle of Viipuri, Denmark had 10 000, Russia lost 9 500 men.
Even in historical battle of Auestedt, casualties of Prussia were equal to only 55,5% of French army. Only event I can think of is pursuit after battle of Vauchamps, but if was a result of battle itself, in which loses of coallition were not even close to those which he have in our game.
Current mechanics and math used in this game make totally no sense. Neither historically nor tactically. It's impossible to predict results of any campaign, and even Montenegro could now rule the world after one battle with good rolls. I'm not starting this discussion again, I don't really care anymore, but as this topic was mentioned, I've felt obligated to show some things forth.

I totally agree with this statement. Under the current ciecumstances it has proofen a MISTAKE to unite armies against your enemies because it does not give you an advantage, but insane losses due to the roll of a dice which is luck only.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on November 07, 2016, 08:24:57 am
BabyJesus, the fact that one is true, does not mean, that the other is not. Cazasar may indeed have terribly bad luck. But Volk's math may be as bad as Cazasar's luck.

I cannot think of any real battle during Napoleonic Wars, in which casualties of one side would be even remotely close to size of emeny's army. And in our game almost every battle ends with such results. In almost every battle in which size of one army is much bigger than size of the other, bigger army suffers irrational loses.
Battle of Emden, France had 6 500 men, Britain lost 4 350 men.
Battle of Torino, Russia had 20 000 men, Swedes lost 15 000 men.
Battle of Starnberg, France had 58 200, Austrians lost 53 750 men.
Battle of Viipuri, Denmark had 10 000, Russia lost 9 500 men.
Even in historical battle of Auestedt, casualties of Prussia were equal to only 55,5% of French army. Only event I can think of is pursuit after battle of Vauchamps, but if was a result of battle itself, in which loses of coallition were not even close to those which he have in our game.
Current mechanics and math used in this game make totally no sense. Neither historically nor tactically. It's impossible to predict results of any campaign, and even Montenegro could now rule the world after one battle with good rolls. I'm not starting this discussion again, I don't really care anymore, but as this topic was mentioned, I've felt obligated to show some things forth.

I totally agree with this statement. Under the current ciecumstances it has proofen a MISTAKE to unite armies against your enemies because it does not give you an advantage, but insane losses due to the roll of a dice which is luck only.
Ted for the last fucking time proofen is not a word. It is proven. I swear this is like the 10th time I have told you. I'm triggered

I never actually noticed that raddeo. Although I also don't know the size of every army in the game. Like holy fuck how many spies do you have? No wonder why you were against volk limiting spies.

You should go back and see what the casualties would be with your formula
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Raddeo on November 07, 2016, 03:44:44 pm
I know everything. You can call me Raddeo The All-Seeing. And I have never been against limiting spies. Last time we talked about it, I was against strict numerical limit, like 1 spy per turn, for I am aware that such limits never work correctly. That's another thing math teaches us. It's better to have some fluent limit, like making chance of espionage failure proportional to amount of used spies, which I proposed last time. I also supported applying Late Penaulty to those who edit their orders basing on espionage results. So get your facts straight.

With my formula casualties would never be bigger than 30% (or about 40% with nation and commander bonuses) of enemy army. I these specific battles Britain would loose 1 885 men, Sweden 5 000, Austria 25 026 (in fact this numer would be different, as size of French army was result of two previous battles) and finally Russia would loose 1 900. Also in many cases results of whole battles would be different, as bigger armies would deal much more damage to the enemy (as it should be).
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on November 07, 2016, 04:19:02 pm
Napoleon was Corsican, not Sicilian.

By the way, I won't be able to work my plans until Friday - I have a lot of exams in my school which are important.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: DoctorWarband on November 07, 2016, 04:20:50 pm
Napoleon was Corsican, not Sicilian.

By the way, I won't be able to work my plans until Friday - I have a lot of exams in my school which are important.
I know.
It's to insult him
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on November 07, 2016, 05:14:05 pm
Napoleon was Corsican, not Sicilian.

By the way, I won't be able to work my plans until Friday - I have a lot of exams in my school which are important.
I know.
It's to insult him
so if being Sicilian is an insult, then how do you feel about Naples?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: DoctorWarband on November 07, 2016, 05:21:44 pm
Napoleon was Corsican, not Sicilian.

By the way, I won't be able to work my plans until Friday - I have a lot of exams in my school which are important.
I know.
It's to insult him
so if being Sicilian is an insult, then how do you feel about Naples?
A useless place
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on November 07, 2016, 05:30:18 pm
Napoleon was Corsican, not Sicilian.

By the way, I won't be able to work my plans until Friday - I have a lot of exams in my school which are important.
I know.
It's to insult him
so if being Sicilian is an insult, then how do you feel about Naples?
A useless place
you hear that bondage? Prussia called you useless
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Commander Bondage on November 07, 2016, 05:46:41 pm
Napoleon was Corsican, not Sicilian.

By the way, I won't be able to work my plans until Friday - I have a lot of exams in my school which are important.
I know.
It's to insult him
so if being Sicilian is an insult, then how do you feel about Naples?
A useless place
you hear that bondage? Prussia called you useless
Id like to hear him talk so lowly of Naples when his ruler turns up dead, ten cocks found in ass
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on November 07, 2016, 05:50:47 pm
Napoleon was Corsican, not Sicilian.

By the way, I won't be able to work my plans until Friday - I have a lot of exams in my school which are important.
I know.
It's to insult him
so if being Sicilian is an insult, then how do you feel about Naples?
A useless place
you hear that bondage? Prussia called you useless
Id like to hear him talk so lowly of Naples when his ruler turns up dead, ten cocks found in ass
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: DoctorWarband on November 07, 2016, 06:11:29 pm
Napoleon was Corsican, not Sicilian.

By the way, I won't be able to work my plans until Friday - I have a lot of exams in my school which are important.
I know.
It's to insult him
so if being Sicilian is an insult, then how do you feel about Naples?
A useless place
you hear that bondage? Prussia called you useless
Id like to hear him talk so lowly of Naples when his ruler turns up dead, ten cocks found in ass
Bring it
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on November 07, 2016, 06:21:18 pm
Naples would kick your ass kid
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: DoctorWarband on November 07, 2016, 06:36:46 pm
Naples would kick your ass kid
Bring it. Both of youz
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on November 09, 2016, 07:00:58 am
Can we get a bonus when Trump wins?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Volk on November 09, 2016, 07:12:55 am
Can we get a bonus when Trump wins?
Apparently they don't want any bonus or reward so I'm not doing one. Not even the time either  :-\
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Ted on November 09, 2016, 07:18:08 am
I'm going to nuke Stockholm for supporting Trump

Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Raddeo on November 13, 2016, 02:21:33 pm
Two weeks have passed since the last update so, just out of curiosity, when approximately could we expect another update? Have you, Volk, already received orders from all players?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Ted on November 13, 2016, 03:05:30 pm
Two weeks have passed since the last update so, just out of curiosity, when approximately could we expect another update? Have you, Volk, already received orders from all players?

I have not had time to give any orders so far as I'm currently taking three exams per week.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on November 13, 2016, 03:39:34 pm
Two weeks have passed since the last update so, just out of curiosity, when approximately could we expect another update? Have you, Volk, already received orders from all players?

I have not had time to give any orders so far as I'm currently taking three exams per week.

Same. I have two.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Cazasar on November 13, 2016, 07:07:32 pm
Same.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Reznov on November 13, 2016, 10:20:15 pm
lol, like giving orders is gone take 3 hours. Normaly just finish in like 5min.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Ted on November 14, 2016, 12:53:27 pm
lol, like giving orders is gone take 3 hours. Normaly just finish in like 5min.

Giving orders within a coalition of 6 different nations DOES actually take insane amounts of time. Last turn it took me five hours to get everything together.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Ted on November 14, 2016, 04:56:22 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pd6ibEuRTpw

(https://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/finals-are-here-and-so-are-the-memes-15-photos-28.jpg?quality=85&strip=info&w=600)
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on November 14, 2016, 06:03:16 pm
I have 5 projects and 2 papers due in 2 weeks. That's only 2 classes. I also have homework from other classes and real life stuff. I have an exam (really just a test) tomorrow. Final exams in 3 weeks.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Volk on November 17, 2016, 07:14:46 pm
Spoiler
(https://media.tenor.co/images/6a61ee4329a25dddc547206ffbf556e5/raw)
[close]

Still waiting. This is just a heads up post. I've only received plans from 2 players, I'm including spies, diplo, military, & interior actions by PM in the count. (Real plans, I've only received from 1 player) Obviously I'll keep waiting considering I understand the circumstances. Still, some insight or an occasional "I'm alive" would be appreciated.

I still recommend PMs for planning. It's much better to have messages & read when you have the chance instead of sitting down for an hour discussing via Steam. Much more convenient
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Emperor Napoleon on November 17, 2016, 07:43:29 pm
im alive
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on November 17, 2016, 08:40:57 pm
im alive
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Cazasar on November 17, 2016, 08:43:29 pm
My last Exam for a while is tommorow. I can do my plans then.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on November 17, 2016, 09:32:39 pm
Hmm, well I'm finished my exams for now.

I have an English one sometime in two weeks time, and perhaps a computer science one. I can finish my report tomorrow, or Saturday.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Volk on November 20, 2016, 12:55:17 am
Added Updates section, updated Current Map, updated Wars, updated Treaties and the Diplomacy Spreadsheet a bit.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on November 21, 2016, 09:24:38 am
Will probably have some time later this week. #ThanksgivingBreak
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Volk on November 25, 2016, 05:11:17 am
Happy Thanksgiving. How about those plans, eh?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: DoctorWarband on November 25, 2016, 11:50:19 am
Happy Thanksgiving. How about those plans, eh?
Think I sent mine
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Furrnox on November 26, 2016, 12:23:46 am
I'm free! FeelsGoodMan
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Volk on November 26, 2016, 08:24:24 am
Judging by my steam messages and questions and FSE stuff, I sense activity is erupting again. That's good, coincides perfectly with the weekend and Thanksgiving. Looking forward to those plans and actions and everything. If you have a question because you maybe forgot something after all this time, PM and I respond soonest time.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Commander Bondage on December 02, 2016, 05:27:33 am
Any more updates guys? Lets get this show back on the road
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Volk on December 02, 2016, 05:29:32 am
Any more updates guys? Lets get this show back on the road
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Emperor Napoleon on December 04, 2016, 12:13:10 am
update?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: DoctorWarband on December 04, 2016, 12:21:29 am
update?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Volk on December 04, 2016, 12:32:36 am
Plans?

Still have only from 1 player
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Emperor Napoleon on December 04, 2016, 11:01:41 am
Thought you said you had a few?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Raddeo on December 04, 2016, 12:35:33 pm
So you guys want an update despite the fact, that none of you have even sent any plans? Volk, maybe it's a sign that you should indeed update the game? It's over a month now, I wouldn't expect anyone to send you any plans after all this time. Either they'll start playing again after an update, or the game is already dead.
If we take this Late Penalty into consideration then they're all already twenty days after our two weeks deadline. You've once stated that one day of real-life delay is equal to one week of in-game delay. So all their orders would be already delayed for about five in-game months. One turn is three months, so any new orders wouldn't even matter now. I don't think longer waiting makes any sense now.

Soo... update?

P.S. what is this placeholder topic for?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Volk on December 05, 2016, 05:24:11 am
Here all are the people I have received absolutely nothing from:

Spoiler

Cazasar
The Mighty McLovin
Furrnox
Nick Lazanis
Baby Jesus
Salcos
Lawrence
Frederik
Ted
Nativemann


[close]

A note: of those players who are not in the above list, not all have sent me military plans. If your name is not in that list, it is because I simply received something for you. Something, in this case, = literally anything (even a pm saying "no actions decided yet, skip me"). Of the people who are not on the list, those who actually sent military plans are an extreme minority. Even more so those who sent me overall plans for every type of action for this turn and, when you take into account the inevitable edit, the number of people who's plans are truly final is, being generous, 1. If you're on that list that means I've gotten absolutely nothing, and so nothing will happen from that nation come the update. Those who sent me actions will see events happen for their nation, military or otherwise.

Update's Wednesday.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: DoctorWarband on December 07, 2016, 06:53:33 pm
^date?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Nick Lazanis on December 07, 2016, 08:55:24 pm
Hi.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Volk on December 08, 2016, 02:12:46 am
I have the update ready, however I am postponing the game for now. I've many projects about to come to fruition and am currently working with some other people, on and off these forums, on their projects as well. I may reignite this game in the near future, however considering player activity is somewhat of a barometer for interest, I doubt this will happen.

Expect new games from myself in the quite near future as well as from those I work with, both publicly and privately.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Raddeo on December 08, 2016, 05:53:05 am
So this game is over? And at the same time you says, that you'll make another one bacause you want some new toys to have fun with? Heh, good luck then...
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: DoctorWarband on December 08, 2016, 07:26:42 am
Yeah, no.
I am done.
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Emperor Napoleon on December 08, 2016, 12:24:22 pm
Was expecting as much. The gm is just as bad as us players...
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Bravescot on December 08, 2016, 12:27:41 pm
Yeeeees yeeeeeesss! Let the salt flow through you!
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Commander Bondage on December 08, 2016, 04:29:36 pm
Cmon guys do you really expect someone to continue running something that no one takes interest in anymore?
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on December 08, 2016, 05:03:46 pm
Cmon guys do you really expect someone to continue running something that no one takes interest in anymore?
are you retarded or something? there was a huge amount of interest. Just look at the 1 plan sent to volk or all the responses Volks received whenever she posted
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Commander Bondage on December 08, 2016, 05:41:48 pm
oh sorry sorry youre right

lets go do drugs
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: BabyJesus on December 17, 2016, 07:50:32 am
These are some pretty sick placeholders!
Title: Re: BoP: Napoleonic Wars (Out-of-character Thread) [Live]
Post by: Volk on December 18, 2016, 04:08:19 am
These are some pretty sick placeholders!
Same