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Title: United States Thread
Post by: Jorvasker on October 24, 2014, 05:53:02 pm
This thread is for the open discussion of our opinions on the United States, so people can have a nice clean debate about it.

Please follow the forum rules, because I don't want this taken down :3

My personal opinion, as a United States citizen, is that the United States is an absolute horrible country in so many ways. I will debate more about it as more people get involved. ;3

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Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on October 24, 2014, 05:58:09 pm
Bump for Obesity.
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: Jorvasker on October 24, 2014, 06:03:02 pm
Bump for Obesity.
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on October 24, 2014, 06:04:19 pm
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Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: Colonel Howe on October 24, 2014, 06:28:10 pm
Capitalism stronk
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: Augy on October 24, 2014, 06:39:10 pm
I like american people.
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: Turin Turambar on October 24, 2014, 06:44:02 pm
I hate american government.
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: Jorvasker on October 24, 2014, 07:19:02 pm
gud boi
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: Betaknight on October 24, 2014, 07:23:08 pm
Someone said america consisted of 3 continents...

Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: Jorvasker on October 24, 2014, 07:56:10 pm
Someone said america consisted of 3 continents...
They were probably from the United States then.
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: joer5835 on October 24, 2014, 07:59:53 pm
Quick, hide your oil. Those bloody Yanks are coming!
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: Jorvasker on October 24, 2014, 08:01:29 pm
We need your oil, if it means creating a pointless war for it, we will get it!
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: joer5835 on October 24, 2014, 08:06:27 pm
Go steal France's oil, easy victory.
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: Jorvasker on October 24, 2014, 08:09:19 pm
Ok, this is getting off topic. Lets actually talk about Americunts and not their oil diet.
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: Locust on October 24, 2014, 08:43:10 pm
Oil diet
Mfw Jorvasker
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: Jorvasker on October 24, 2014, 08:45:15 pm
oil craving* soz
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: Crescent Glow on October 24, 2014, 08:46:32 pm
I'm really Obama
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: Jorvasker on October 24, 2014, 08:48:26 pm
I'm really Obama
wat
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: joer5835 on October 24, 2014, 08:48:43 pm
I'm really Obama

Thanks Obama!
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: Jorvasker on October 24, 2014, 08:51:42 pm
sp00ky
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: Riddlez on October 24, 2014, 09:07:26 pm
I'm really Obama
Don't touch my girlfriend.
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: Karth on October 24, 2014, 09:37:48 pm
Nice saying our country is horrible with no support whatsoever, we have one of the highest qualities of life than any other country.  Personally having been to Switzerland Italy Austria England and others I wouldn't want to move anywhere else, as long as you work hard and study hard you can achieve the Merican dream.  I'm not saying we are perfect, we have high taxes and a costly education, but it all does pay off mostly in the end.  Please keep this on topic  :D
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: Turin Turambar on October 24, 2014, 09:42:37 pm
Yeah, it's not like the USA would not care for the people inside their borders, while bombing those who live outside of them.
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on October 24, 2014, 09:44:39 pm
Nice saying our country is horrible with no support whatsoever, we have one of the highest qualities of life than any other country.  Personally having been to Switzerland Italy Austria England and others I wouldn't want to move anywhere else, as long as you work hard and study hard you can achieve the Merican dream.  I'm not saying we are perfect, we have high taxes and a costly education, but it all does pay off mostly in the end.  Please keep this on topic  :D
Depends on where you live.
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: Crescent Glow on October 24, 2014, 09:48:52 pm
Nice saying our country is horrible with no support whatsoever, we have one of the highest qualities of life than any other country.  Personally having been to Switzerland Italy Austria England and others I wouldn't want to move anywhere else, as long as you work hard and study hard you can achieve the Merican dream.  I'm not saying we are perfect, we have high taxes and a costly education, but it all does pay off mostly in the end.  Please keep this on topic  :D
Depends on where you live.
Exactly

I am fortunate enough to go to a good private school but many people in the US don't have the same opportunities
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: Karth on October 24, 2014, 09:51:43 pm
Yes, obviously if you were born and raised in the ghetto of Detroit it's a much lower quality of life than many countries, but for the average person being born and raised in the suburbs/rural parts of America it's much higher than a majority of other countries. 
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on October 24, 2014, 10:00:02 pm
Yes, obviously if you were born and raised in the ghetto of Detroit it's a much lower quality of life than many countries, but for the average person being born and raised in the suburbs/rural parts of America it's much higher than a majority of other countries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index#Very_high_human_development
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: Crescent Glow on October 24, 2014, 10:02:00 pm
I didn't even mention the ghetto, Karth. There are average-income communities that have pretty piss poor school systems.
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: Shredder on October 24, 2014, 10:05:22 pm
Educational standards need to be raised and teachers should be paid more :P

make education not war <3
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: DaMonkey on October 24, 2014, 10:07:41 pm
Teachers already get paid quite a good amount, at least once you get a few years under your belt. The problem is the job's such a shit job that no money is worth it.
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on October 24, 2014, 10:08:57 pm
I didn't even mention the ghetto, Karth. There are average-income communities that have pretty piss poor school systems.
You should see Greece's ::D
From what I've heard, education in the US is kinda... wonky ( to put it diplomatically). Is dat true?
By the way, both the UK and the USA are characterised by their very high inequality. :/

Teachers already get paid quite a good amount, at least once you get a few years under your belt. The problem is the job's such a shit job that no money is worth it.
Ok
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: Ser Thomas on October 24, 2014, 10:09:08 pm
I'd rather go to a lower class school then to the one I go to where people wear confederate  belt-buckles and fly confederate flags off the back of their trucks, and I live in PA so its really just disgusting.
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on October 24, 2014, 10:10:44 pm
I'd rather go to a lower class school then to the one I go to where people wear confederate  belt-buckles and fly confederate flags off the back of their trucks, and I live in PA so its really just disgusting.
Confederates in PA? o.O Scuse mah poor history
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: Jorvasker on October 24, 2014, 10:14:00 pm
Nice saying our country is horrible with no support whatsoever, we have one of the highest qualities of life than any other country.  Personally having been to Switzerland Italy Austria England and others I wouldn't want to move anywhere else, as long as you work hard and study hard you can achieve the Merican dream.  I'm not saying we are perfect, we have high taxes and a costly education, but it all does pay off mostly in the end.  Please keep this on topic  :D
If you read the original post I am pretty sure I said I would debate future when the time comes. I have many reasons.
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: MrTiki on October 24, 2014, 10:14:42 pm
But if you compare that to other countries, the social mobility in the US is lower. (In Denmark, a poor child has twice as much chance of making it to the top quintile as in America. Sauce (http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21595437-america-no-less-socially-mobile-it-was-generation-ago-mobility-measured)) I.e. if you're born poor you stay poor, and the same with the rich. In Europe social mobility is higher, giving poor people  a much better chance at having a good life and ensuring their children have it better than they did. Social security is also much better in Europe, and healthcare too.
Using the Happy Planet Index's "Experienced well-being" ranking, the US comes 16th, slightly ahead of the UK (17th), but behind a host of other European countries (Denmark, Norway, Switzerland, Sweden, The Netherlands etc).

Other factors are a matter of preference and what you're used to. For example, I couldn't stand the political system in the US, nor the attitudes of the police. The fact that huge numbers of people carry guns also doesn't sit well with me. If you're used to that, props to you, but I'd rather not run the risk of being mugged/shot any time I'm getting back home late.

Sorry to be so negative, but that's simply my impression of the country. Americans themselves I have no problem with, in fact the Americans I've met have (mostly) been amazing people, but I still wouldn't want to live in their country :P
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: Jorvasker on October 24, 2014, 10:28:15 pm
Going back to the topic of public education. American public education is absolute shit. You can look at any other developed country in the world and their public education system is better than this one.
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: Riddlez on October 24, 2014, 10:36:39 pm
I agree with Ken Robinson on the education part, and with Finland, with that.
Folks need to be more creative.
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on October 24, 2014, 10:52:39 pm
Tiki, I assure you that the UK is something similiar. I can only speak for university admissions (which are admittedly a pretty substantial for social mobility), as I'm not old enough to experience the job market first-hand, but, well, the top Russel Group Unis (especially Oxbridge, I presume its a similar story over the pond with Harvard, Cornell, etc), are incredibly elitist when it comes to whom they choose.
It doesn't only have to do with you, buut also with your parent's education, the name of your school, etc.

Going back to the topic of public education. American public education is absolute shit. You can look at any other developed country in the world and their public education system is better than this one.
Lol Greece's is even worse
#WurstEdu[EU]2K14

Edit: Got added by MagicTeaTowel on Steam. He told me that, FYI, my comments are wrong. So naturally I removed him, blocked his ass, and reported him for good measure :D That's how you deal with these pussies.
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: joer5835 on October 24, 2014, 11:50:10 pm
How did this turn from a joke thread into a serious discussion about the quality of life in the States....
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: Jorvasker on October 24, 2014, 11:56:07 pm
How did this turn from a joke thread into a serious discussion about the quality of life in the States....
Because that is what it was meant to be.
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on October 24, 2014, 11:56:43 pm
How did this turn from a joke thread into a serious discussion about the quality of life in the States....
Because that is what it was meant to be.
^^
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: Jorvasker on October 25, 2014, 12:18:54 am
Thread updated

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Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: Ser Thomas on October 25, 2014, 12:36:17 am
I'd rather go to a lower class school then to the one I go to where people wear confederate  belt-buckles and fly confederate flags off the back of their trucks, and I live in PA so its really just disgusting.
Confederates in PA? o.O Scuse mah poor history
Yeah, exactly its disgusting they will have shirts with confederate flags and it will say "if this flag offends you take a history lesson".This is where PA is if you did not know(since your greek :P)
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fforevereating.com%2Fyahoo_site_admin%2Fassets%2Fimages%2FWeb_usa-PA.241311.jpg&hash=9adb066ea57ddf46f1a64715b40aaaf7b70a4345)
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on October 25, 2014, 12:42:14 am
I'd rather go to a lower class school then to the one I go to where people wear confederate  belt-buckles and fly confederate flags off the back of their trucks, and I live in PA so its really just disgusting.
Confederates in PA? o.O Scuse mah poor history
Yeah, exactly its disgusting they will have shirts with confederate flags and it will say "if this flag offends you take a history lesson".This is where PA is if you did not know(since your greek :P)
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fforevereating.com%2Fyahoo_site_admin%2Fassets%2Fimages%2FWeb_usa-PA.241311.jpg&hash=9adb066ea57ddf46f1a64715b40aaaf7b70a4345)
Nah, I know most of the states in the US, but I thought Philly was like a nice place, right? :D
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: Karth on October 25, 2014, 12:53:20 am
No offense Thomas but weren't you the one who stated PA should be apart of New England... in that regions melee tourney lol, and yes Philly is nice some parts  :D. I have been a PA resident most my life and have never seen confederate flags... not sure what you are on about but I live in Pensyltuckey so see my fair share of rednecks as we have the 2nd largest population of NRA members.
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on October 25, 2014, 12:59:15 am
... rednecks as we have the 2nd largest population of NRA members.
Ah, the NRA. Gawd Bless the Second Amendment. :D
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: Nipplestockings on October 25, 2014, 01:00:51 am
Yes, obviously if you were born and raised in the ghetto of Detroit it's a much lower quality of life than many countries, but for the average person being born and raised in the suburbs/rural parts of America it's much higher than a majority of other countries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index#Very_high_human_development

Love UK's awful HDI. Anyway, USA's HDI is held down by the Mexicans and blacks. New England as a region has a higher HDI than most of western Europe.
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on October 25, 2014, 01:12:11 am
Love UK's awful HDI. Anyway, USA's HDI is held down by the Mexicans and blacks. New England as a region has a higher HDI than most of western Europe.
Contrary to popular belief, the UK does not consist of sunny Oxfordshire and Berkshire with elderly gentlemen drinking cups of tea :) . Up in The North, strange things happen, from what I've been told...  :o
Actually, saying that New England is worth that much doesn't really mean anything haha  - that's where the old money's concentrated :D

Just thought I'd leave this here :)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11041812/Mapped-the-best-places-to-live-in-England-and-Wales.html
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: Ser Thomas on October 25, 2014, 01:15:17 am
No offense Thomas but weren't you the one who stated PA should be apart of New England... in that regions melee tourney lol, and yes Philly is nice some parts  :D. I have been a PA resident most my life and have never seen confederate flags... not sure what you are on about but I live in Pensyltuckey so see my fair share of rednecks as we have the 2nd largest population of NRA members.
lol yeah I did, but I mean come on man that shits so close to being in New England.
Well I live right on the border with Maryland so It's about as far south as you could get in PA.
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: Nipplestockings on October 25, 2014, 01:22:15 am
No offense Thomas but weren't you the one who stated PA should be apart of New England... in that regions melee tourney lol, and yes Philly is nice some parts  :D. I have been a PA resident most my life and have never seen confederate flags... not sure what you are on about but I live in Pensyltuckey so see my fair share of rednecks as we have the 2nd largest population of NRA members.
lol yeah I did, but I mean come on man that shits so close to being in New England.
Well I live right on the border with Maryland so It's about as far south as you could get in PA.

Well New York isn't a part of New England either, although I think it should be. Really, it's just about historical boundaries. Back around the time of the revolution New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania were all rather politically different from their neighbors up north. Hell, New York refused to sign the declaration of independence until it became clear that it was all or nothing. 
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: TheHunted0 on October 25, 2014, 01:26:19 am
Murica  :D
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: Karth on October 25, 2014, 01:35:51 am
No offense Thomas but weren't you the one who stated PA should be apart of New England... in that regions melee tourney lol, and yes Philly is nice some parts  :D. I have been a PA resident most my life and have never seen confederate flags... not sure what you are on about but I live in Pensyltuckey so see my fair share of rednecks as we have the 2nd largest population of NRA members.
lol yeah I did, but I mean come on man that shits so close to being in New England.
Well I live right on the border with Maryland so It's about as far south as you could get in PA.
Its geographically and culturally stupid to consider PA as a part of New England lol , you must live in the good part of PA then. More South does not mean more redneck, I have also lived in the coal region of PA where in one town close to where I grew up a bunch of high schoolers had race riots with the Mexicans, and it was a popular documentary just made about it (as they actually murdered one).  Unfortunately, I have to agree on one part, most of my family is from the South, specifically Georgia, and its a shame that parts of PA are x10 worse than many parts in Georgia.


Nipplestockings is right though, New Hampshire , MA , and those other states def have a much much higher HDI than any other country.
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: Turin Turambar on October 25, 2014, 01:36:56 am
It seems so much more important that one or two US citizens don't earn quite enough money to always buy the latest iPhone than the fact that the US goverment initiated 37 wars all over the world since 1945.
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: Karth on October 25, 2014, 01:41:07 am
It seems so much more important that one or two US citizens don't earn quite enough money to always buy the latest iPhone than the fact that the US goverment initiated 37 wars all over the world since 1945.

Yea. We actually care about our jobs, the economy, healthcare, taxes, education, retirement 401K's; than our government's horrible foreign policy (at least a majority do).  This should be the most important, its what everyday citizens focus on and worry about. 
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on October 25, 2014, 01:53:38 am
How did you compare between the states and the countries? And, in any case it's irrelevant, since these states have a smaller population, of which a huge part is definitely middle class or ^upper^, with presumably less inequality as well within their borders. It's like saying that Wiltshire in Britain has a higher HDI than France, which it does probably who knows, or that Attiki in Greece has a higher HDI than most of the Balkan countries. You can't really compare the two.
In any case, it's best probably better to compare nations as a whole with UN data, rather than by the US's specific interior HDI rankings system.
Just my two centz
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_American_Human_Development_Index
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: EdwardC on October 25, 2014, 02:28:41 am
Spoiler
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Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: The Rebel on October 25, 2014, 03:10:53 am
Obama = Poop
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: Karth on October 25, 2014, 03:25:16 am
Obama = Poop

Well at least he had guts to pass obamacare.  Everything else he has done in his presidency has been disappointing to say the least.
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: Crescent Glow on October 25, 2014, 03:25:45 am
I'm really Obama
Don't touch my girlfriend.
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: The Rebel on October 25, 2014, 06:13:48 am
Obama = Poop

Well at least he had guts to pass obamacare.  Everything else he has done in his presidency has been disappointing to say the least.
Eh Obamacare was pretty piss-poor. Otherwise ya, everything else he has down has gone down the drain. Can't believe some people still wanted to re-elect him after his first term, which was HORRIBLE. Can't wait till 2016 when he is gone.
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: Karth on October 25, 2014, 06:38:41 am
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Obama = Poop

Well at least he had guts to pass obamacare.  Everything else he has done in his presidency has been disappointing to say the least.
Eh Obamacare was pretty piss-poor. Otherwise ya, everything else he has down has gone down the drain. Can't believe some people still wanted to re-elect him after his first term, which was HORRIBLE. Can't wait till 2016 when he is gone.
Care to explain why it was pretty piss poor? Besides a bad website, I dont think insurance companies have the right to play God, dictating when not to pay or save a patient who has cancer by increasing his/her premium, they are people, could be your neighbor, and the insurance company used to be able to pull the plug if they wanted.  Other than that a majority of people now have healthcare (yea a few had to change because they were on cheap crap plans in the first place), and a majority pay less (including my self I get healthcare benefits from working part time and my premium as I am alone went down 30% because our company switched, scared people would leave, thus creating a market). It also makes it x10 easier for college students like myself to enroll independently, with more knowledge and cheaper costs.   This should have been dealt with decades ago.  Mitt Romney had a extremely similar plan like his, which is why I favored him more than Obama in 2012.
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: The Rebel on October 25, 2014, 06:51:20 am
Tbh. I have just listened to my parents and gone off my own knowledge.
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: Karth on October 25, 2014, 06:57:33 am
Tbh. I have just listened to my parents and gone off my own knowledge.
Haha atleast you are honest  :P  Its just politics, Republicans slandering Obamacare because of its faulty site, people buy into it, few people and small businesses are forced to pay healthcare for their employees then lobby the news stations to slander the ACA even more.  At the end of the day, I only see it helping people.  Thats not to see a few (like 30%) will have to change plans and pay more, but a overall majority (more so in Kentucky and other poor areas) are greatly benefiting from it.  It would be the exact same thing but the Dems slandering Romneycare if he was elected.  Either way, both parties at least had it in their plans.  Even small businesses who have to pay for their employees healthcare are given subsidies in the form of tax credits, which is pretty helpful.  The thing that still irks me is that these Tea Party members are trying to get it repealed (how dumb can you get), which will never happen considering the statistics.
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: Newkirk on October 25, 2014, 07:57:08 am
Tbh. I have just listened to my parents and gone off my own knowledge.
Haha atleast you are honest  :P  Its just politics, Republicans slandering Obamacare because of its faulty site, people buy into it, few people and small businesses are forced to pay healthcare for their employees then lobby the news stations to slander the ACA even more.  At the end of the day, I only see it helping people.  Thats not to see a few (like 30%) will have to change plans and pay more, but a overall majority (more so in Kentucky and other poor areas) are greatly benefiting from it.  It would be the exact same thing but the Dems slandering Romneycare if he was elected.  Either way, both parties at least had it in their plans.  Even small businesses who have to pay for their employees healthcare are given subsidies in the form of tax credits, which is pretty helpful.  The thing that still irks me is that these Tea Party members are trying to get it repealed (how dumb can you get), which will never happen considering the statistics.
Well when the Republican Speaker of the House says that the Tea Party is basically nuts, it's a pretty good indicator that something's wrong. I simply fail to understand why others must feel the need to repeal something that was not passed by their own party, regardless of how much it has helped or hindered the population. Karth I hadnt heard that Romney had a similar healthcare plan, but IMO the Democrats are a slightly stronger party at this point, so there's a good chance Romneycare or any healthcare reform at all would not be a thing currently if the roles were reversed.
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: MrTiki on October 25, 2014, 02:41:17 pm
Honestly the broken political system in the US is the cause of so many issues. If it were fixed, quality of life would vastly improve.
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: MarshalKim on October 25, 2014, 02:59:35 pm
Boring overdone topic that won't get anywhere because peoples opinion on the subject is stubborn.

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Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on October 25, 2014, 04:32:20 pm
Honestly the broken political system in the US is the cause of so many issues. If it were fixed, quality of life would vastly improve.

It would be nice if we could finally live in a more than two-party state, but at this point I don't know HOW we'd be able to shift that point.
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: Jorvasker on October 25, 2014, 04:35:27 pm
Honestly the broken political system in the US is the cause of so many issues. If it were fixed, quality of life would vastly improve.
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: Crescent Glow on October 25, 2014, 04:37:05 pm
Jorvasker's avatar and signature are America
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on October 25, 2014, 04:41:03 pm
This has been a debate for ages, it hasn't been since the friggen early 1900s since a 3rd party had a prayer of winning an election.

How do you change something which so many others claim is a non-issue?
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: Shredder on October 25, 2014, 04:45:07 pm
Bribes, money in campaigns? idk
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: MarshalKim on October 25, 2014, 05:35:00 pm
This has been a debate for ages, it hasn't been since the friggen early 1900s since a 3rd party had a prayer of winning an election.

How do you change something which so many others claim is a non-issue?

Communism.
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: Newkirk on October 25, 2014, 05:48:23 pm
To be quite honest I could see a split in the Republican party. You'd wind up with Democrats, Republicans and the Tea Party. But then of course if that happened neither the Republicans or the Tea Party would have a prayer at a House majority and a very slim chance at a Presidential Election.
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: Karth on October 25, 2014, 05:58:00 pm
The two majority party system will never change, nor can be changed at this point.  The most you can do is focus on who is elected in your district, your state reps are the ones who make the most calls about taxes and jobs relevant to you, and most of the time you can just call them, other than that unless you are extremely wealthy you cant change politics.  Back to Romneycare, its extremely similar to Obamacare, Romney instituted a similar plan in Massachusetts at the time and it was very successful, insurance companies had less control, and it made it way more affordable for college students to acquire healthcare plans.  Obviously there are still several differences as the scope and cost is on a much larger level with ACA.
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: MrTiki on October 26, 2014, 12:59:52 am
It can be changed, but it would require a complete revamp of the whole damn system, including the first past the post, electoral colleges, and a rebalancing of the "checks and balances".
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: Colonel Howe on October 26, 2014, 02:10:44 am
Jen Bush 2016

"Three times the charm"

Srs note doe. Whoever in this thread considers voting for Jeb fucking Bush, I can only think of a few reasons why:
-you're mentally retarded
-you're mentally retarded
-you're Jeb Bush
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: Shredder on October 26, 2014, 08:13:20 am
Jen Bush
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: DeoVindice61 on October 27, 2014, 03:30:00 pm
Oh hell no, not another Bush. No. Nope. Nein. No way Jose. Sorry Jen, not today.
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: Walko on October 27, 2014, 04:33:51 pm
Idunno man, us high school aged kids should stop pretending we know anything about politics/economics.
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: Riddlez on October 27, 2014, 04:48:57 pm
Idunno man, us high school aged kids should stop pretending we know anything about politics/economics.
Speak for yourself. Some people actually know shit.
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: Karth on October 27, 2014, 04:55:21 pm
Idunno man, us high school aged kids should stop pretending we know anything about politics/economics.

Im in university  :D  in high school I took an AP gov class and econ so.. im sure there are some high schoolers that understand/know what they are talking about ;p
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: Duuring on October 27, 2014, 05:05:36 pm
It takes like a day to educate yourself about the political system of your country, and maybe a few more to understand the basic concepts of how the system works, its history and how you must choose a good candidate to vote for. Sadly, it seems that spending a few nights behind your computer every four year is something that many people are unable to do.
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on October 27, 2014, 05:13:48 pm
Idunno man, us high school aged kids should stop pretending we know anything about politics/economics.
Speak for yourself. Some people actually know shit.
Shhh Riddlez let us bask in our ignorance please  :-[

It takes like a day to educate yourself about the political system of your country, and maybe a few more to understand the basic concepts of how the system works, its history and how you must choose a good candidate to vote for. Sadly, it seems that spending a few nights behind your computer every four year is something that many people are unable to do.
Depends how interested you are. Sadly, I feel that many of the people in this community who actually play NW and belong to a regiment and everything are more interested in "muh l3g1T_ Ch4mp skilSzS" than how their country is governed.
#AbstractGeneralisation
#Win
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: MrTiki on October 27, 2014, 05:54:11 pm
I find that last comment particularly amusing given your user name.
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: Walko on October 27, 2014, 06:04:08 pm
Idunno man, us high school aged kids should stop pretending we know anything about politics/economics.

Im in university  :D  in high school I took an AP gov class and econ so.. im sure there are some high schoolers that understand/know what they are talking about ;p

Well yeah, I took and Passed AP Gov and Econ as well, it really stems from memories or myself being 14-16 and spitting out the latest opinion I heard as my own.

I guess my point is that I'm pretty sure some of these people (myself included) don't know our points half as well as we should to debate them.
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: Nipplestockings on October 27, 2014, 06:27:36 pm
Idunno man, us high school aged kids should stop pretending we know anything about politics/economics.

Im in university  :D  in high school I took an AP gov class and econ so.. im sure there are some high schoolers that understand/know what they are talking about ;p

Well yeah, I took and Passed AP Gov and Econ as well, it really stems from memories or myself being 14-16 and spitting out the latest opinion I heard as my own.

I guess my point is that I'm pretty sure some of these people (myself included) don't know our points half as well as we should to debate them.

This so much. Politics discussion on the internet has always been somewhat of a shit shoot anyway. It's not only that some people don't understand the politics they're discussing, but that they simply don't have the experience in the world to make informed decisions. Maybe you know the facts, but not the wider implications behind those facts or the socioeconomics, or anything else required to actually understand the system you're living in. I'm not saying I'm excluded or innocent from this group of people. None of us are.
Idunno man, us high school aged kids should stop pretending we know anything about politics/economics.
Speak for yourself. Some people actually know shit.

Riddlez, sorry but you're a massive pseudointellectual. You're no better than anyone here.
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: MarshalKim on October 27, 2014, 07:39:06 pm
Well yeah, I took and Passed AP Gov and Econ as well, it really stems from memories or myself being 14-16 and spitting out the latest opinion I heard as my own.
Speak for yourself. Some people actually know shit.
Riddlez, sorry but you're a massive pseudointellectual. You're no better than anyone here.
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2FjimUSbnCl8Y%2Fhqdefault.jpg&hash=70ca798ba1e7cc0097a37ee671463a428da238a2)
This so much. Politics discussion on the internet has always been somewhat of a shit shoot anyway. It's not only that some people don't understand the politics they're discussing, but that they simply don't have the experience in the world to make informed decisions. Maybe you know the facts, but not the wider implications behind those facts or the socioeconomics, or anything else required to actually understand the system you're living in. I'm not saying I'm excluded or innocent from this group of people. None of us are.

Brilliant Dear Leader's generous educational system has revealed to me much about the political knowledge that is to be gained in this world. I must respectfully disagree.
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: Betaknight on October 27, 2014, 08:13:12 pm
Kim You turned a whole country into a dead waste land... (No offense).
I don't know much about politics, is a reason why I stay out of it whenever I can. Even in real life. (Few months before 18, so I'm not legal to vote). Although I did study Aruba's law and stuff... But it's barely knowledge worth knowing compared to EU and US government systems and law.
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: MrTiki on October 27, 2014, 08:52:29 pm
Well yeah, I took and Passed AP Gov and Econ as well, it really stems from memories or myself being 14-16 and spitting out the latest opinion I heard as my own.
Speak for yourself. Some people actually know shit.
Riddlez, sorry but you're a massive pseudointellectual. You're no better than anyone here.
This so much. Politics discussion on the internet has always been somewhat of a shit shoot anyway. It's not only that some people don't understand the politics they're discussing, but that they simply don't have the experience in the world to make informed decisions. Maybe you know the facts, but not the wider implications behind those facts or the socioeconomics, or anything else required to actually understand the system you're living in. I'm not saying I'm excluded or innocent from this group of people. None of us are.

Brilliant Dear Leader's generous educational system has revealed to me much about the political knowledge that is to be gained in this world. I must respectfully disagree.
You should probably edit your post for clarity. You used the same "quote" for all of the messages, making it look like Nipplestockings wrote all of that :P
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: Riddlez on October 27, 2014, 09:18:36 pm
Riddlez, sorry but you're a massive pseudointellectual. You're no better than anyone here.

Fix your fucking strawmen, please, I never claimed such thing.
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on October 27, 2014, 09:20:58 pm
I find that last comment particularly amusing given your user name.
Judging peoples' statements validity based on their names is like *facepalm*
But, as always, I have to say that you don't really understand greenglish (Greek written with English characters) as a language, so you only focus on the caps.

This post will be illuminating for many.
https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?topic=18476.msg833277#msg833277

(And this thread descends into a mild flame war)
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: MarshalKim on October 27, 2014, 09:25:43 pm
You should probably edit your post for clarity. You used the same "quote" for all of the messages, making it look like Nipplestockings wrote all of that :P

I think I fixed it correctly. Please confirm.

Kim You turned a whole country into a dead waste land... (No offense).
I don't know much about politics, is a reason why I stay out of it whenever I can. Even in real life. (Few months before 18, so I'm not legal to vote). Although I did study Aruba's law and stuff... But it's barely knowledge worth knowing compared to EU and US government systems and law.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7168/6509595461_92cb2ced4e_z.jpg)

I will pardon your offense to the Brilliant Dear Leader on the pretext that western education is failing you.

True Korea like all countries has it's issues. Most importantly the Imperialists sanctions and strategies of economic stagnation.
Yet, do not let the western lies fool you. There is no starvation anymore. That had happened due to massive floods in the 90's and collapse of our main trade partner (USSR). Today Korea has achieved 99% self sufficiency in staple foods. Malnutrition is caused by the damned imperialists.

To believe that our government is not a proper representation of its people is false. There is no revolt in the country and no government has ever stood long without the support of it's people. Soon Korea will have surpassed the existence of the USSR's length as a state.

The dead wasteland was caused by the imperialists and southern traitors during the Korean war.

*Please leave North Korean rants to your thread on the topic, not this one*
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: MrTiki on October 27, 2014, 09:37:30 pm
I find that last comment particularly amusing given your user name.
Judging peoples' statements validity based on their names is like *facepalm*
But, as always, I have to say that you don't really understand greenglish (Greek written with English characters) as a language, so you only focus on the caps.

This post will be illuminating for many.
https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?topic=18476.msg833277#msg833277

(And this thread descends into a mild flame war)
The fact I've never bothered to look up what "Klarinogampros" means in Greek doesn't really reflect my ability to read "greenglish" (what a name). Nor is that relevant anyway. Your post was about immature kids who play video games who think they're cool by using 1337-speak, yet you yourself use it in your name. THAT is what I found amusing. I would have respected your opinion on the  matter more had your name been "Klarinogampros" as opposed to KL4R1N0G4MPR0S. The hypocrisy is the only thing I'm pointing out.
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: Nipplestockings on October 27, 2014, 10:47:47 pm
Riddlez, sorry but you're a massive pseudointellectual. You're no better than anyone here.

Fix your fucking strawmen, please, I never claimed such thing.

I don't think you know what a stawman is, m8. Anyway, even if you never claimed to be an intellectual, you're still a pseudointellectual. Sry!
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on October 27, 2014, 10:54:48 pm
Riddlez, sorry but you're a massive pseudointellectual. You're no better than anyone here.

Fix your fucking strawmen, please, I never claimed such thing.

I don't think you know what a stawman is, m8. Anyway, even if you never claimed to be an intellectual, you're still a pseudointellectual. Sry!
Wai Flem Soo Mach?

Wait I forgot to read what Tiki said! :)
Tiki bae, I never coined the term. Blame the 'Nineties and the students who make up the word "greenglish" back then.
In any case, my name does not render my argument invalid. You see that the regulars who post in the Off-Topic section for "serious" discussions are all forumites (like Howe, Nipple, Riddlez, etc)  who I suspect have never even played the game. If you take a look at the other threads in the other boards of our glorious fora, you'll notice a sharp decline in "quality", which I suspect is linked to who is actually posting...
As for my name, it was concieved on a rowdy Sunday night during the holidays, and, unlike most of you, I didn't take serious time considering it. First slangy word that sprung to mind - translated into english characters - replacing numbers with letters - Job Done. 30 seconds. Now, of course, many people may try to use it to undermine my arguments, but a name is just that, and has precisely zero effect on what you are actually saying (although it could be used to indicate someone's character, I'll give you that). So, however hypocritic me making fun of such kiddies seems to you, I assure you that is not reflected on my in-game behaviour.

Now back to hating discussing the USA.
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: Riddlez on October 28, 2014, 12:10:29 am
Riddlez, sorry but you're a massive pseudointellectual. You're no better than anyone here.

Fix your fucking strawmen, please, I never claimed such thing.

I don't think you know what a stawman is, m8. Anyway, even if you never claimed to be an intellectual, you're still a pseudointellectual. Sry!

Strawman: Phallacy - Attacking someone on an argument they never used. Term strawman used because you're not attacking an actual argument (the man) but create a strawman and attack that (the false argument). You stated it as if I claimed that I think myself better, which I never did.

I know what a strawman is, m8.

And don't even get me started on the rest of your argumentation, you phallacious basterd.
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: Nipplestockings on October 28, 2014, 12:13:21 am
Boy, that wounded pride. Case in point.
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: Riddlez on October 28, 2014, 12:15:35 am
Boy, that wounded pride. Case in point.

You claim I don't know what something is, I explain that I do know. Then I proceed to point out you're basicly doing what you condemn yourself. You then proceed to claim my pride is wounded.
If in any case, it should've expanded by now.

You're still a fallacious basterd though.
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: MrTiki on October 28, 2014, 12:29:28 am
Ok, as much as I enjoyed that diversion off topic, the time has come to get back to discussing the US, both the good things and bad about it. I almost feel like we should make an argument thread, just so we can continue these discussions where it doesn't derail the thread. What are your thoughts guys?
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on October 28, 2014, 01:12:10 am
Ok, as much as I enjoyed that diversion off topic, the time has come to get back to discussing the US, both the good things and bad about it. I almost feel like we should make an argument thread, just so we can continue these discussions where it doesn't derail the thread. What are your thoughts guys?
Yep
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: MarshalKim on October 28, 2014, 01:49:06 am
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcompellingparade.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F04%2Fderailed_train.jpg&hash=ca5555afb77d610ce6bc1c6c2e6f316faf4a1da5)
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on October 28, 2014, 01:50:42 am
Vote plz Americuns
https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?topic=19901.0#new
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: MarshalKim on October 28, 2014, 01:52:26 am
Noob advertising his thread.
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: usnavy30 on October 28, 2014, 01:53:34 am
Voted in Argument thread  :D
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on October 28, 2014, 01:53:40 am
Back onto the topic of America!

We're funding the FSA now. Well, fuck.
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: usnavy30 on October 28, 2014, 01:57:40 am
NBC 7 News at 5 likes to talk about ebola too much.

West coast has nice weather.

Team American is a hilarious movie.

I really like the Continental Army uniform.

U.S.A doesn't need to police the entire world ^^

Now if only I would give a damn to register to vote in my local area. It's all advertising that attacks the other party..
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on October 28, 2014, 02:04:27 am
I like the Continental Marine uniform more than the Army one. Red and blue clashes a wee bit.

A link for some ARW uniforms lads: http://www.srcalifornia.com/uniforms/uindex.htm
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: usnavy30 on October 28, 2014, 02:12:40 am
I like the Continental Marine uniform more than the Army one. Red and blue clashes a wee bit.

A link for some ARW uniforms lads: http://www.srcalifornia.com/uniforms/uindex.htm
I meant the general era of uniforms of the military, but nice link those pictures are great references. That turquoise color though  :o
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: EdwardC on October 28, 2014, 05:28:36 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53X1K71G5AA
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: Augy on October 28, 2014, 08:45:50 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytS2HtUiER0
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: MarshalKim on October 28, 2014, 11:37:29 pm
+1 Auggy             Bens letter seems legit              http://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver


http://youtu.be/4heDXCdQhCA




Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: MarshalKim on October 28, 2014, 11:40:37 pm
Aint nothing like a communist party cuz a communist party is fucking mandatory

http://youtu.be/lwoSFQb5HVk
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: MrTiki on October 28, 2014, 11:46:21 pm
Back on topic guys. Kim, stop spamming North Korean propaganda at every opportunity. You already have your own thread for it, so keep it there.
Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on October 29, 2014, 12:01:44 am
+1 Auggy             Bens letter seems legit              http://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver 
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Holy Fuck another Conspiracy o.O
Spoiler
:P broken link haha
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Title: Re: United States Thread
Post by: MarshalKim on October 29, 2014, 12:09:59 am
+1 Auggy             Bens letter seems legit              http://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver 
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Holy Fuck another Conspiracy o.O
Spoiler
:P broken link haha
[close]

Fixed

Back on topic guys. Kim, stop spamming North Korean propaganda at every opportunity. You already have your own thread for it, so keep it there.
But everyone loves it.