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Title: Wasting time.
Post by: Walko on March 20, 2015, 04:58:03 pm
So Like many others in this community, I spent about three years of my life basically based around NW and the community. When I turned 18 and had to focus on real life I realized how absolutely wasted the past years were, pursuing goals that meant nothing, and getting worked up over what is really just a game.

If I could go back I would trll myself to stay away from NW and do real life shit. Life has been so much better not carinng about all the arbitrary bullshit of internet regiments.

What are your guys thoughts on this? How do you justify the obsurd amount of time we have collectively devoted to this game?

My advice to everyone is turn off the game and live your lives.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: AeroNinja on March 20, 2015, 05:02:07 pm
I really agree with you Walko. I had a big addiction to this forum and Game. Some friendships I just had to let go just for some freakin game. I decided to do more with my irl friends and not to go much on PC. And it works. Also my grades go deep down with the addiction I had. I had to work it all up. You are right, people need to spend more real life time than sitting hours and hours on this forum and game.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Karth on March 20, 2015, 05:11:08 pm
It's called time management.  It's up to you to control if you have an addiction or not, you cannot blame anyone or any entity for it.  It's a game after all and the satisfaction of playing this game may be higher than that of doing real life stuff, for me I found that balance years ago.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Destiny on March 20, 2015, 05:12:39 pm
warband is life
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: AeroNinja on March 20, 2015, 05:12:52 pm
That is also true. Found the Balance too late myself. I just wish I never played.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Walko on March 20, 2015, 05:26:01 pm
It's called time management.  It's up to you to control if you have an addiction or not, you cannot blame anyone or any entity for it.  It's a game after all and the satisfaction of playing this game may be higher than that of doing real life stuff, for me I found that balance years ago.

Of course, I was more emphasising the fact that I let this became more than just entertainment, and was consumed by it, and lloking back I regret spending over 1,500 hours doing something that doesn't really mean much, when Incould have been using it for so many other things.

I guess I'm just trying to say that NW put blinders on my life and made me miss a bunch of oppurunities that I should have taken.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Gared on March 20, 2015, 05:28:15 pm
Uh, Karth is right, as long as you can manage your time it works. You can still play NW and be in the community, but number one rule is to always put more time IRL than in game. Always reserve yourself a time to play, but not all day. 2 hours to 4 is enought on the week ends, like at nights. 8pm to 11 is good enought.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Karth on March 20, 2015, 05:29:54 pm
It's called time management.  It's up to you to control if you have an addiction or not, you cannot blame anyone or any entity for it.  It's a game after all and the satisfaction of playing this game may be higher than that of doing real life stuff, for me I found that balance years ago.

Of course, I was more emphasising the fact that I let this became more than just entertainment, and was consumed by it, and lloking back I regret spending over 1,500 hours doing something that doesn't really mean much, when Incould have been using it for so many other things.

I guess I'm just trying to say that NW put blinders on my life and made me miss a bunch of oppurunities that I should have taken.

If you think like that: watching TV also makes you miss a bunch of opportunities in life, along with any other form on virtual entertainment.  1500 hours of you being happy/enjoying something you like playing is something you have to have some value for.. cant always think "missed opportunities" and look down on it.  Playing a linebattle 3 times a week is nothing, thats literally like watching a movie or 2.  It all comes down to how to manage that time, and how to value it. Not gonna go into economics and opportunity costs but you get my drift
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Gokiller on March 20, 2015, 06:34:31 pm
Had that back in the day when I still really enjoyed NW, -> MM. When I was around 13-15.

Now I pretty much only play it when I'm bored. But a lot of time was wasted those years...
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Peter Broetz on March 20, 2015, 07:22:13 pm
Eat your shoes
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Dekkers on March 20, 2015, 07:53:44 pm
Had that back in the day when I still really enjoyed NW, -> MM. When I was around 13-15.

Now I pretty much only play it when I'm bored. But a lot of time was wasted those years...

Lies


He plays M&B everyday, the entire day, even at work

Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Alexander on March 20, 2015, 07:55:06 pm
Take me 100% seriously when I say this.

Game is life. Life is game.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Herishey on March 20, 2015, 08:32:50 pm
As Karth said. It is pretty much how much time you devoted to the game and how much you let it affect your actual life. I have never let any aspect of NW over take anything remotely important or fun irl. If there is a tournament or big event I would always miss it for a party or a gathering. It really depends on how it affected you.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Riddlez on March 20, 2015, 09:08:43 pm
It's called time management.

And self-discipline.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Nicos on March 20, 2015, 10:50:26 pm
Depends the way you play the game.I just left my regiment for some reasons that one of those were IRL stuff.I was leading 16th and as it was a new regiment i needed to do a lot of stuff to keep it alive and improve it.So when someone is playing as a ranker  in a regiment he doesnt really need to waste that much time to play the game.He basically plays the game cause he enjoys it.But when you have responsibilities in a regiment as an NCO/CO you want you regiment to improve in any way it can.So you play more and more to do your best to improve it.That is when you waste time.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Dekkers on March 20, 2015, 10:54:17 pm
When you enjoy doing something I don't see how you can call it ''wasted'' time. If you play this and you actually don't enjoy it, then you're ''wasting'' time as you could be spending that time on something you do enjoy.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Marton on March 20, 2015, 11:23:34 pm
Eat your shoes

Everyone must obey to Broetz.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Peter Broetz on March 20, 2015, 11:56:01 pm
Eat your shoes

Everyone must obey to Broetz.
yes
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Henry Cadogan on March 21, 2015, 01:38:04 am
Eat your shoes
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.13gne.com%2Fblog%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F12%2Fgoldrushshoe-1024x788.jpg&hash=10245ff22a119decf2dde1075e08a9ce636b05b6)
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: KurassierNixon on March 21, 2015, 01:53:40 am
Eat ur shoes or die
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Peter Broetz on March 21, 2015, 01:57:39 am
Walko aint a man of his word sadly, I have been asking him nicely for over a year now.  :'(
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Earth Bby on March 21, 2015, 01:58:30 am
It's called time management.  It's up to you to control if you have an addiction or not, you cannot blame anyone or any entity for it.  It's a game after all and the satisfaction of playing this game may be higher than that of doing real life stuff, for me I found that balance years ago.

I feel sorry for those who play Groupfighting everyday, I agree with the idea that some are addicted. I personally rarely play and even when I was playing with a regiment I'd only play for events then piss off to do something else. I think the game dies quicker for leaders as it's like being a mother to 80 retarded children.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: |Heinrich| on March 21, 2015, 01:02:39 pm
It's called time management.  It's up to you to control if you have an addiction or not, you cannot blame anyone or any entity for it.  It's a game after all and the satisfaction of playing this game may be higher than that of doing real life stuff, for me I found that balance years ago.

I feel sorry for those who play Groupfighting everyday, I agree with the idea that some are addicted. I personally rarely play and even when I was playing with a regiment I'd only play for events then piss off to do something else. I think the game dies quicker for leaders as it's like being a mother to 80 retarded children.
+1
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Rhen on March 21, 2015, 02:46:31 pm
it's like being a mother to 80 retarded children
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Dekkers on March 21, 2015, 03:01:34 pm
It's called time management.  It's up to you to control if you have an addiction or not, you cannot blame anyone or any entity for it.  It's a game after all and the satisfaction of playing this game may be higher than that of doing real life stuff, for me I found that balance years ago.

I feel sorry for those who play Groupfighting everyday, I agree with the idea that some are addicted. I personally rarely play and even when I was playing with a regiment I'd only play for events then piss off to do something else. I think the game dies quicker for leaders as it's like being a mother to 80 retarded children.

lol u r just jaelous cuz' they rek you in melee (https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2F5xtDarxnQF7dPEHv2kE%2Fgiphy.gif&hash=df889baf684843be288cee3d56452b31d89a10fe)
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: NickyJ on March 21, 2015, 03:26:09 pm
To add on to what others have said, there are other positive things about the game as well. In the two years I've been playing this game, I've met some cool people that became friends along the way. It may sound weird to others, but I value those friendships as well. This is a community, and with the jerks that take the fun out of it, there are the awesome ones that make it entirely worth it. People have to decide whether it's worth the trouble we go through or not. For me, it still is.

I think the game dies quicker for leaders as it's like being a mother to 80 retarded children.
This is the truth. Needing to deal with people acting like 5 year-olds really sucks the fun out. Not all of it, but a lot.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Rikugun Taishō Ito on March 21, 2015, 06:38:53 pm
lol wat NW dont evn play
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: hobbitcankill on March 21, 2015, 07:07:36 pm
i would want to quite that i think what would i do irl if i stop playing casue i have no friend who i could hang around with :(
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Nipplestockings on March 21, 2015, 07:24:06 pm
There was a time, I think the summer of 2012 or 2013 that I played at least 10 hours a day. Those times during the summer I had absolutely no obligations and so I just spent the entire day, from waking up to going to bed playing NW and other games. My social life didn't really suffer as I still managed to make time for friends, but when the school year started again I had completely lost any good work habits and self discipline, and I nearly flunked that year. Luckily I stopped playing NW after only about 750 hours, which is pretty low compared to a lot of people in the community. Can't imagine what it must be like for people who have 2,000+.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Earth Bby on March 22, 2015, 12:09:12 am
Spoiler
It's called time management.  It's up to you to control if you have an addiction or not, you cannot blame anyone or any entity for it.  It's a game after all and the satisfaction of playing this game may be higher than that of doing real life stuff, for me I found that balance years ago.

I feel sorry for those who play Groupfighting everyday, I agree with the idea that some are addicted. I personally rarely play and even when I was playing with a regiment I'd only play for events then piss off to do something else. I think the game dies quicker for leaders as it's like being a mother to 80 retarded children.

lol u r just jaelous cuz' they rek you in melee (https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2F5xtDarxnQF7dPEHv2kE%2Fgiphy.gif&hash=df889baf684843be288cee3d56452b31d89a10fe)
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Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Alexander on March 22, 2015, 01:15:49 am
Marks is god.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Vaska on March 22, 2015, 10:04:32 pm
When you enjoy doing something I don't see how you can call it ''wasted'' time. If you play this and you actually don't enjoy it, then you're ''wasting'' time as you could be spending that time on something you do enjoy.
I wonder how can people (or why would they) play what they actually don't enjoy? It's bullshit


Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: OttoFIN on March 22, 2015, 10:22:55 pm
I got 1000 hours on the game, its time to uninstall.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Alexander on March 22, 2015, 10:50:42 pm
This game is shit. I hate it with 2400 hours. I just fucking hate it. Is it a waste of time when I still play for my boys? Help me.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Peppers on March 23, 2015, 01:08:15 am
3000 hours here, I do what I love I have no regrets I work I hang with friends about 4 years later 3000 hours oh well  ;D
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Superbad on March 23, 2015, 03:48:34 am
3000 hours here, I do what I love I have no regrets I work I hang with friends about 4 years later 3000 hours oh well  ;D

+1

Almost 1900 hours. Don't regret a second.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Ambiguous on March 23, 2015, 05:57:56 am
It's called time management.  It's up to you to control if you have an addiction or not, you cannot blame anyone or any entity for it.  It's a game after all and the satisfaction of playing this game may be higher than that of doing real life stuff, for me I found that balance years ago.

I feel sorry for those who play Groupfighting everyday, I agree with the idea that some are addicted. I personally rarely play and even when I was playing with a regiment I'd only play for events then piss off to do something else. I think the game dies quicker for leaders as it's like being a mother to 80 retarded children.

You are so right...
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Riddlez on March 23, 2015, 02:09:04 pm
If it's so awful, why not just quit?

or quit whining.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Earth Bby on March 23, 2015, 03:21:34 pm
If it's so awful, why not just quit?

or quit whining.

I did
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Walko on March 23, 2015, 04:13:07 pm
If it's so awful, why not just quit?

or quit whining.

I did
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Betaknight on March 23, 2015, 06:19:11 pm
Ya'll need to chill. Your life is still young (for some). You still have plenty time to make a life again. I agree with Karth. Its about time management and self discipline. I never played nw for more than an hour without it being an event. If a friend came to me to ask to play (RL friend) I would drop the event and go play with him. I can always play with the reg another day. Or I modded, because I enjoyed doing that and it is going to be my job soon. So it was a nice experience.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Alexander on March 23, 2015, 08:03:51 pm
If it's so awful, why not just quit?

or quit whining.

I did
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Gunther AV on March 23, 2015, 09:24:43 pm
What is wrong wasting your time and throwing away opportunities? You waste your time hanging out with your friends, you waste your time eating, watching TV, going to see movies, you throw opportunities down everyday and step on them and move on.
What is the definition of wasting time? What are these so called opportunities? You dont waste time, you spend it, you spend it for entertainment and on the forums, for socializing, all of it is being spent into this community and game, what is wrong with that? It wont matter in 20 years? No, you are wrong, you are living an experience that is unique and can only be defined to yourself. What you people are doing is trying to reject this game and you are trying to reject yourself and attitude towards the game.

 You have wasted no opportunities, you spent opportunities to use this community and organization of your own personal regiment to create new opportunities for yourself and others. There is nothing wrong with that, whats only wrong with this is that you are trying to reject the opportunity that you took.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Menelaos on March 24, 2015, 04:09:55 pm
There was a time, I think the summer of 2012 or 2013 that I played at least 10 hours a day. Those times during the summer I had absolutely no obligations and so I just spent the entire day, from waking up to going to bed playing NW and other games. My social life didn't really suffer as I still managed to make time for friends, but when the school year started again I had completely lost any good work habits and self discipline, and I nearly flunked that year. Luckily I stopped playing NW after only about 750 hours, which is pretty low compared to a lot of people in the community. Can't imagine what it must be like for people who have 2,000+.

2000+ no longer playing Warband checking in. I feel like this thread is good time for an honest reflection for those who stuck around for a while and can't fully check out because of old ties.

I started freshman  year of high school with some social life,  with the potential to grow within school. Instead of doing that I pretty much turned into a socially awkward yet normal looking kid without friends or desire to make any because I grew more attached to a team speak of people online dedicated to having fun in a niche game doing niche shit. The Internet allowed me to have friends who shared more common interests instead of being stuck with a few potential ones (phones make it easy to escape social situations as we all know). My interest in the game at first was purely immersion, I remember being giddy as fuck just to join a server then die in a line after shooting a single ball at the enemy. I saw videos about MM because of CHkilroy (still am a fan because of his Shacktac content)  and that really got me interested. However,  this interest eventually turned me in the average narcissistic community leader or someone more interested in power and organization (not necessarily totally but other people I remember seemed to embody this). I felt like I got my online community experience but neglected to leave earlier (thus the original topic,  wasting time).  I did neglect grades often times but I think that's unrelated. I legitimately wasted weeks of time when I was not actually playing the game so when I did play the experience was better. I still have this issue but at least it's not invested in a community that's toxic with narcissism. I do more productive things now like make videos and generally just have an attachment to being online instead of playing games.

 This seems to be an epidemic in the maturing world of youth in developed countries nowadays. Shit,  look at Korea and Japan with a staggering loss of birthrate faster than other developed nations currently. But there's good news,  and that this is mostly a phase thing instead of lifestyle. I'm going off to college like you did,  Walko. Hopefully on a personal level I don't continue these habits excessively there.

Sorry this post may be near the epicenter of people who may have these tendencies unknowingly but now that NW is getting older and more people are leaving like I did I hope to at least have some sort of closure with those who have been through this. If you read this,  don't understand it or think it's a problem then you may not have invested enough in online communities to at least realize that some people struggle to balance their lives offline.

What is wrong wasting your time and throwing away opportunities? You waste your time hanging out with your friends, you waste your time eating, watching TV, going to see movies, you throw opportunities down everyday and step on them and move on.
What is the definition of wasting time? What are these so called opportunities? You dont waste time, you spend it, you spend it for entertainment and on the forums, for socializing, all of it is being spent into this community and game, what is wrong with that? It wont matter in 20 years? No, you are wrong, you are living an experience that is unique and can only be defined to yourself. What you people are doing is trying to reject this game and you are trying to reject yourself and attitude towards the game.

 You have wasted no opportunities, you spent opportunities to use this community and organization of your own personal regiment to create new opportunities for yourself and others. There is nothing wrong with that, whats only wrong with this is that you are trying to reject the opportunity that you took.

I don't think that was the message, it was meant to be directed toward those who neglect priceless things such as family and their own futures. That or I just exploded randomly and I thought the thread was close enough.

tl;dr: if you read this first you shouldn't be in this thread, go find somewhere else to boost your post count or fill the void of boredom.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Tango on March 24, 2015, 04:12:31 pm
jeez there has been so many threads about people wasting their lives on this game... I think a lot of people get involved in this game and community so they can feel respected and seem like they have a purpose in their life while IRL they really have no proper place for them and so they try to create one artificially. I think there is actually a lot of psychology involved in all of this.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Lemon on March 24, 2015, 05:38:33 pm
Spoiler
There was a time, I think the summer of 2012 or 2013 that I played at least 10 hours a day. Those times during the summer I had absolutely no obligations and so I just spent the entire day, from waking up to going to bed playing NW and other games. My social life didn't really suffer as I still managed to make time for friends, but when the school year started again I had completely lost any good work habits and self discipline, and I nearly flunked that year. Luckily I stopped playing NW after only about 750 hours, which is pretty low compared to a lot of people in the community. Can't imagine what it must be like for people who have 2,000+.

2000+ no longer playing Warband checking in. I feel like this thread is good time for an honest reflection for those who stuck around for a while and can't fully check out because of old ties.

I started freshman  year of high school with some social life,  with the potential to grow within school. Instead of doing that I pretty much turned into a socially awkward yet normal looking kid without friends or desire to make any because I grew more attached to a team speak of people online dedicated to having fun in a niche game doing niche shit. The Internet allowed me to have friends who shared more common interests instead of being stuck with a few potential ones (phones make it easy to escape social situations as we all know). My interest in the game at first was purely immersion, I remember being giddy as fuck just to join a server then die in a line after shooting a single ball at the enemy. I saw videos about MM because of CHkilroy (still am a fan because of his Shacktac content)  and that really got me interested. However,  this interest eventually turned me in the average narcissistic community leader or someone more interested in power and organization (not necessarily totally but other people I remember seemed to embody this). I felt like I got my online community experience but neglected to leave earlier (thus the original topic,  wasting time).  I did neglect grades often times but I think that's unrelated. I legitimately wasted weeks of time when I was not actually playing the game so when I did play the experience was better. I still have this issue but at least it's not invested in a community that's toxic with narcissism. I do more productive things now like make videos and generally just have an attachment to being online instead of playing games.

 This seems to be an epidemic in the maturing world of youth in developed countries nowadays. Shit,  look at Korea and Japan with a staggering loss of birthrate faster than other developed nations currently. But there's good news,  and that this is mostly a phase thing instead of lifestyle. I'm going off to college like you did,  Walko. Hopefully on a personal level I don't continue these habits excessively there.

Sorry this post may be near the epicenter of people who may have these tendencies unknowingly but now that NW is getting older and more people are leaving like I did I hope to at least have some sort of closure with those who have been through this. If you read this,  don't understand it or think it's a problem then you may not have invested enough in online communities to at least realize that some people struggle to balance their lives offline.

What is wrong wasting your time and throwing away opportunities? You waste your time hanging out with your friends, you waste your time eating, watching TV, going to see movies, you throw opportunities down everyday and step on them and move on.
What is the definition of wasting time? What are these so called opportunities? You dont waste time, you spend it, you spend it for entertainment and on the forums, for socializing, all of it is being spent into this community and game, what is wrong with that? It wont matter in 20 years? No, you are wrong, you are living an experience that is unique and can only be defined to yourself. What you people are doing is trying to reject this game and you are trying to reject yourself and attitude towards the game.

 You have wasted no opportunities, you spent opportunities to use this community and organization of your own personal regiment to create new opportunities for yourself and others. There is nothing wrong with that, whats only wrong with this is that you are trying to reject the opportunity that you took.

I don't think that was the message, it was meant to be directed toward those who neglect priceless things such as family and their own futures. That or I just exploded randomly and I thought the thread was close enough.

tl;dr: if you read this first you shouldn't be in this thread, go find somewhere else to boost your post count or fill the void of boredom.
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Menelaos. I see what you're saying there. I recently joined this community about 1 year ago. I join right into your regiment actually. Last year in 9th grade (last year) I failed, got kicked out of that school, and had to switch to a slacker school. Well, not so much a slacker school but like.. I don't know. But it wasn't your regiment that failed me :P (I was in there for a week lol) But it was just video games, in general, including mount and blade. I came home every day after school last year and hopped on my computer until 1 in the morning. In fact some days I am still doing that. I liked my friends that I have in school and I would have loved to hang out with them out of school, but I never get invited anywhere. The only times I saw them outside of school was at school football games and school dances. Now let me tell you a bit about my schedule. My mom doesn't live with my family anymore, my sister is up north about 3 hours at college, and my dad works every night until 2-3 in the morning but sometimes later. I see my dad for about 1-3 hours before he heads off to work. Then I have the house to myself mostly all night. I could go outside and do shit, But video games are fun, they get my mind off of stuff that is happening in the real world and I have met tons of awesome people who are funny as shit in tons of different teamspeaks, Mount and Blade, JANFU (Arma 3) and tons of other groups. The way I see it is that if I'm enjoying it. I'm going to have fun and play. I learned this year how to balance my grades and homework shit (which was my main problem) and I'm doing pretty good now.

tl;dr The way I see it is that if I'm enjoying it. I'm going to have fun and play. I have met many cool people that I would rather talk to than IRL people that I can only stand at school.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Lawbringer on March 24, 2015, 05:51:47 pm
I have 3 IRL friends in the 58e

Lol


Don't regret a second for playing this game. I have made many friends who I connect with outside of M&B and I love them all :D

I wish I wasnt't so addicted to the forums tho :p

Then maybe my grades would be a bit higher
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: DaCrowh on March 24, 2015, 08:01:18 pm
This game isnt a waste of time, whatever makes you happy is never waste.
Yes it might not be very useful for you but for example leading a regiment at a "young age" helps you a lot I think,
you work a lot with people and have to handle a lot of different situations, situations a lot of other people wont be in for a long time, which is an amazing experience

There is something to learn from everything you do and as long you enjoy yourself I wouldnt say anything is wasted of course there is always the "what if": "What if I spend my time in an other way?" What if I studied more, learned another language..." Well I dont know what would happen if you did something else, it isnt too late just do what ever you want, and if playing games is what you want then so be it, no shame about it.

I mean I am studying Philosophy and History it's like the nr.1 waste of time, but I like it, in fact I love it, so I think I will get through and if I dont, so be it.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Riddlez on March 24, 2015, 11:13:17 pm
This game isnt a waste of time, whatever makes you happy is never waste.
Yes it might not be very useful for you but for example leading a regiment at a "young age" helps you a lot I think,
you work a lot with people and have to handle a lot of different situations, situations a lot of other people wont be in for a long time, which is an amazing experience

God help you, man.

Experiencing those 'situations' at an early age in fatc may be helpful. The bigger chance, however, is that it completely backfires on the people. Proven is that young kids are not caapable of making a mostly-objective, rational decision when it comes to the most serious things. The greatest threat on the internet is that it is essentially anarchy. You cannot be held responsible in any proper way and therefor there are no incentives to do what most people would see as the 'right' thing to do. Add to that, that in gaming vs. school, named kids would, in their logic, go for what gives them the most pleasure, at the immediate moment. Keep in mind that this is not school.
Add to that, that perhaps the parents aren't quite as strict, you get a potentially dangerous cocktail of bad choices. Mind you, choices that may very well influence one's future.

Vote Riddlez, 2016
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: NickyJ on March 24, 2015, 11:55:32 pm
Pretty much everything we do for fun is a waste of time. Dream jobs aside, most of the things we enjoy can be considered time wasting in one way or another. Instead of playing NW, could I be doing something else more productive? Sure. Instead of posting on internet forums, could I instead take extra college courses? I suppose so. Instead of spending time in real life with friends, could I be working at a job while also going to college? That also is true. Anything we do, besides eating, sleeping, and working, could be called a waste of time by some stretch or another because it isn't making us any wealthier. But then again, what do we do with the wealth we make? Oh, I don't know, I guess just spend it on things we enjoy, things that waste our time. ;D

NW, and video games themselves, are no greater wastes of time than watching a TV show or reading a book for enjoyment. As with anything, doing it in excess is when it really does become a waste of time. If you spend all your time reading books, or playing video games, or going out clubbing and getting drunk with friends, then yeah, that's a problem. The people that spend an hour or two a day playing a game that they enjoy? They're fine. Everything needs a balance, work to play, seriousness to fun-loving. Each is important, and each person balances it out in his own way. Don't paint everyone with the same brush and say that the joy people get out of a game is entirely worthless.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Nipplestockings on March 25, 2015, 12:00:17 am
The incentive to making good decisions as a regiment leader is social recognition and the satisfaction of organizing a successful group of players into a respected force in the community. While we've clearly seen that not all regiment leaders are responsible, mature people, being a leader does contribute to vital socialization skills and does develop your maturity through social pressure making it important to be competent and level headed. Yes, the stakes are not actually high enough for a real developmental lesson to be learned if something goes wrong, but it certainly helps, and the claim that it's far more likely to backfire than to be a force of good in a person's development is not really something I can agree with.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: chuckdeezoo on March 25, 2015, 02:56:28 am
I liek you Walko.
I didnt waistid tiem with ur regiment Walko.
Eat shoe Walko.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: EdwardC on March 25, 2015, 02:59:23 am
Eat your shoes
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Locust on March 25, 2015, 03:29:02 am
I feel like I learned something from leading regiments in NW. Was it a waste of time? I don't know. I feel like this whole NW experience taught me more about people and how they behave than anything. Interesting stuff. Alas, I will be in college soon and will most likely not be playing computer games at the volume I used to (50-60+ hours a week easy). I will still play from time to time but who doesn't enjoy playing video games?

The one thing I don't understand is how people become social outcasts in real life from playing too much video games. I mean, you are socializing with random people on the internet already. Whats so hard to make friends in real life?

Another component I found interesting was how people could become very good friends without having actually seen what each looked like or in some cases knew what the other person sounded like. I could never see myself being friends with say Stox for example, who is 20 something year old guy who is bartender while I'm just a high school student yet, I got to know him pretty well. Interesting stuff.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Betaknight on March 25, 2015, 06:43:16 pm
Because on the internet you can be anything and not face the consequences like in real life.
Title: autism
Post by: Michael Sparks on March 25, 2015, 08:28:49 pm
i've actually managed to stop playing NW as a whole. I find it extremely tedious now and can barely handle one LB
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Professor on March 25, 2015, 08:54:37 pm
When I first looked at the topic it made me want to turn off the computer. I guess that's bad.
So, after playing this game a lot over a pretty concentrated period (2500 hours over 2.5 years, yea, it's pretty cringeworthy when you do the math) I guess I got pretty attached to the game. There was a period sometime last year where I devoted waaay too much time to improving my skills at melee, spending like 30-40 hours a week playing nw, which is clearly way too much. Lately, however, now with my NCO/CO sorta stuff going on I've been more focused on trying to improve the reg, and it's tough, but going to be rewarding I believe. The only really regret I have right now is the hours I spent "training" to better myself at melee, even though I was still really good. I mean, great, now I'm really darn good at melee and that shiz now, but who cares? I'd rather be MLG pro for a game that people actually care about. However, the time that I spent bonding with members of my reg, trying to improve it, attending events, that's time I cherish, in a way. I got to know a great group of guys, and while some other things in my life might have suffered, no real permanent damage was done, and I don't think I would have it any other way. (Except for the hours "training")  As of now I'm trying to cut down my time more, maybe to 10 hours a week if possible, but I'm not going to be leaving the community for a long time. Still love the game, don't think I will stop loving it. So, yea. That's my rambly response to the question.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: EdwardC on March 25, 2015, 09:58:25 pm


I feel like I learned something from leading regiments in NW. Was it a waste of time? I don't know. I feel like this whole NW experience taught me more about people and how they behave than anything. Interesting stuff. Alas, I will be in college soon and will most likely not be playing computer games at the volume I used to (50-60+ hours a week easy). I will still play from time to time but who doesn't enjoy playing video games?



The only video games you play are Mount & Blade.  Lol.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Millander on March 25, 2015, 11:13:16 pm
I had my fun and spent ALLOT of time leading in MM and NW from the beginning of my freshman year till just before my senior year. Im lad ive stopped since it has given me time to focus on my running, yoga, mountain biking and spending time with my friends. I dont regret my time with NW because I had a great time leading and also meting some really awesome people.

Also helped my public speaking skills allot.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Getty on March 26, 2015, 08:15:13 am
It's called time management.  It's up to you to control if you have an addiction or not, you cannot blame anyone or any entity for it.  It's a game after all and the satisfaction of playing this game may be higher than that of doing real life stuff, for me I found that balance years ago.

I feel sorry for those who play Groupfighting everyday, I agree with the idea that some are addicted. I personally rarely play and even when I was playing with a regiment I'd only play for events then piss off to do something else. I think the game dies quicker for leaders as it's like being a mother to 80 retarded children.
This...very true
You are so right...
Your regiment wouldn't be filled with 80 retarded children if you actually monitored and had standards for acceptance. I do this and my regiment is probably only about 10% retarded and none are children.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Lawbringer on March 26, 2015, 09:49:18 am
My name is Getty and my boys are top memesters bc I throw the non-memesters in the ovens of Auschwitz
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Earth Bby on March 26, 2015, 11:51:56 am
Spoiler
It's called time management.  It's up to you to control if you have an addiction or not, you cannot blame anyone or any entity for it.  It's a game after all and the satisfaction of playing this game may be higher than that of doing real life stuff, for me I found that balance years ago.

I feel sorry for those who play Groupfighting everyday, I agree with the idea that some are addicted. I personally rarely play and even when I was playing with a regiment I'd only play for events then piss off to do something else. I think the game dies quicker for leaders as it's like being a mother to 80 retarded children.
This...very true
You are so right...
Your regiment wouldn't be filled with 80 retarded children if you actually monitored and had standards for acceptance. I do this and my regiment is probably only about 10% retarded and none are children.
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Oh I did. I'm guessing you've never been in an event/regiment with me. It was more directed to leaders without a backbone, I invite from time to time and I leave most with a headache from people talking about what they had for dinner.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Tardet on March 26, 2015, 11:57:36 am
I stopped the game (atleast the community activity) after nearly 5000 hours on Mount and Blade Warband, in overall 4 years of gaming. Even though it took a consequent amount of my time, it was a wonderfull experience and I hardly regret a single hour of it. It's all about assuming the choices you make.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Moral on March 26, 2015, 12:09:58 pm
Life is a game.
Why do you care how much time you play a game?
Did it make you happy while you played, did you have fun trying to reach those goals?
Then don't regret it. You'll never get that time back, so think of the times you did have fun playing.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Suns on March 27, 2015, 03:12:39 am
As long as it made you happy during those years, it was not wasted time imo.  :)
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Walko on March 27, 2015, 03:49:48 am
Lol for me it never made me happy, it was just a goal/obligation, and an arbitrary one as well.

Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Hugonaut on March 27, 2015, 04:46:59 am
Walko gets it! I always liked you Walko. You're a smart man. With the exception of not joining the 29th! lol. gg no re.

NW is a waist of life. What I am seeing is the intelligent people are realizing this and quitting. It was a shame to be sucked into it in the first place. It's such a delusion that we all have or are dealing/dealt with. I personally think it's a actual problem.

I actually wrote something like this a month or so ago.


Spoiler
You guys won't like this.
I come back and poke on the forums every month maybe just to see how it's going, and see if there is any new devblogs. There never is.....But that's not the point. I'm here and I'm on a rant.
/startrant

Hi everyone, I'm Hugo and I'm a teamaholic.

I regret every second. A lot of you guys say that you've "met cool people" or "learned things" but the reality is this is a game, and there is next to nothing to actually be learned. And you haven't really met anyone. The best skill that can be achieved from playing this game is having the ability to administer/babysit children on the internet.

The game itself isn't even fun. It's aggravating, time consuming, and filled with douchebags. It's the community, the politics involved, and the people you play with that make it addicting. The time period is interesting and it's the only one of its kind. And that what makes the game seem to be worth while. But read my lips! IT'S A WAIST OF TIME!


To play as a ranker in this game is to sacrifice X hours of your life every week. Only to impress internet people. Your rank only signifies how well you function in an internet community. If you're a Sgt in the xxth no one cares. No one ever will. Even if you actually meet someone from the game IRL they still really don't care.  No one really does. You're all lying to yourselves about how it really isn't a waiste of time because you're all to scared of life. To go out and actually experience it. And I'm guilty of the same crime. At least I was.

As a officer/reg leader you learn how to babysit. And I saw Karth's post about the air force. If you think leading a regiment will help you in the military your world is upside down. Especially an officer in it. ESPECIALLY A PILOT! Leading/being a CO in a regiment takes a tremendous amount of time, dedication, and hard work. Now. think if you took all that power, all that drive and put it towards something real. Anything real. I don't care and neither does anyone in this community. Some people may think that what you're doing in life is interesting, and maybe you have some friends on here that you feel are real friends. Let me tell you something about them. They are real friends. But they're not REAL. Yeah, they're a real person on the other side of a keyboard. But they're not really there for you. They can't really help you, all they can do for you is play games with you. And what really is a game?  A game is an activity engaged in for diversion or amusement. Diversion. Diversion from what? REAL LIFE. The sooner you guys realize this the better. And karth. If you are serious about joining the AF, I preemptively thank you for serving. Not now but if you do(it's hard to be a officer nowadays with the peacetime and such).

Now some of you guys (a lot) of you guys are still in HS, Middle school, and I know they're are some 12thyearolds too(I had to!). And I urge you guys to not get swept into this diversion. If I could relive my life I would have never bought the game. In HS and below you guys haven't started life yet. There is not a whole lot that can really be done above and beyond. But let me carry on that point. You could. You could do almost anything else outside of this game in HS. Even drugs. And I'm not advocating drugs, but at least it's a real experience. But my point is this game is an utter waist of energy, life, and thousands upon thousands of player hours. Don't do drugs. Do something constructive. Like join 4H. or boyscouts, the list goes on. Just stop playing the game.


So for me personally I was addicted as one can be to this game. Line battles gave me a euphoric rush. And I told myself that it's what I enjoy(I did, and I still would) and I'd do it forever. And I was sincerely intending to do so. I told myself "eh, It'll keep me out of drugs." but playing this game didn't even stop that. Another really interesting thing, that I've heard time and time again from players is "I'd go hand out with my friends but nothing is ever going on." That's a lie a lot of us tell to ourselves. We all have friends. Not all of us, but most of us(I'm talking real life here). I would pull this card. You pull this card. We all do. But the brutal reality is that we all are/were letting life, and our friends pass us by. Sometimes you have to pick up the phone and make some plans. sometimes you have to leave the computer off and see what's actually going on in the world. Once I realized this stuff it hurt. It's not easy, nor fun to actually partake in real life. It's hard. But that's the problem we have as gamers. We don't want to grow up. But I urge you to do so.

This game was my addiction and I successfully kicked it to the curb. Doing so free'd up so much of my time.  Since the 29th disbanded I've lost 54 pounds. Gained some real life life long friends, and had a lot more time, energy and dedication to actually think about my life and how to further my self in this world. For me I was addicted to the team. Being on a team meant a lot to me, and still does. I had lost interest in the game long before the 29th disbanded. But it was the feeling of being on a team, and not letting internet people down is what brought me back time and time again. And a lot of you may never be able to shake that feeling. For you reg leaders: it only gets harder to disband. Never easier. You'll never outgrow it. You just have to say I'm done. And then a couple months down the road you'll realize how much of an idiot you were(for playing).

One thing I would like to urge is if you find yourselves addicted to the team atmosphere go join the military. Karth knows what's up. Even though his world is a little upside down. And I still can't shake the team mentality. And I never will. So I've joined the Army as a Medic and I intend to do that for as long as I can.

Most of you guys are good people and I hope you become successful in life. I'm just trying to help out in any way that I can and I hope this cleared up some things for you.


I've been clean since  Aug 15, 14
So what have we learned?
-You learn how to be in an internet clan
-all the time and effort you put into learning how to be in an internet clan has got you no where in real life, now you're 250 pounds, eat hot pockets for breakfast, lunch, and supper, and lie to yourself about achieving a meaningless title in an internet clan that means nothing in real life. But hey, you're having fun.
-No friends
-No time
I'm going to leave you guys with this and if there is a god. I hope you guys take heed to my words. Thanks for reading.
Spoiler
(https://cdn.empowernetwork.com/user_images/post/2014/02/05/0/f2/2b96/540x293_20140205_0f22b969a8164d1d7416f34e349900a1_jpg.jpg)
[close]
/endrant

-Hugo
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Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: The Rebel on March 27, 2015, 04:51:45 am
Its a waste of time. Probs will quit. But you know, no one cares
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Newkirk on March 27, 2015, 05:25:58 am
Over the past three and a half years I have spent 2,220 hours on Warband, the vast vast vast majority of that in NW / MM. Most of that time was devoted to trying to make my regiment a better one, whether I was the one leading or someone else. For me, most of my time spent was seen as trying to A) make a difference in the community or in my regiment B) just enjoy pretending to live in a time in history that I love learning about.  I think B more than anything was why I stuck around so long. They rewards of success were so much greater than the agony of putting up with the drama and bs that the game and community flings around, or at least they seemed greater then. Looking back, really the only thing I regret is not spending more time with my friends IRL. I have no regrets about leading my regiment and devoting nearly 2 years of my spare time to it. It was a great escape from the stress of school, and if I had to go back and do it all over again, knowing what I would be getting in to, I still think I would. There would be some differences, sure. But I would still have spent my time with a community and game I enjoyed. Unfortunately that enjoyment died out when I got tired of this game and being restricted to a strict schedule. When i finally retired in September 2014 it was just phenomenal how much time I had and how much I could devote to other things that mean more. Since then I'm proud to say I've only been to 1 linebattle, and it's been almost six months since I've played NW at all. All that's over now and I'm focusing on college, music and my career right now, as it should be. The thing that gets me is... I've spent 40 days of my life on this damn forum. That... that I can't get over.

TL:DR, had a lot of fun, got bored after three years. 8/10 would do again.

And I just love how certain community members see this game as alcoholism. Soon there will be enough of us to start NW Retiree's Anonymous.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Kore on March 27, 2015, 08:33:40 am
You guys are desperate, lol
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Betaknight on March 27, 2015, 11:27:44 am
You guys makes this more depressing than it needs to be. Be optimistic and look at the amount of good times you had with your friends or just people you were in ts with. If you really found out that it wasn't fun then really, you would have left way earlier.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Michael Fish on March 27, 2015, 12:17:26 pm
You guys makes this more depressing than it needs to be. Be optimistic and look at the amount of good times you had with your friends or just people you were in ts with. If you really found out that it wasn't fun then really, you would have left way earlier.
+1
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Riddlez on March 27, 2015, 02:36:30 pm
You guys are desperate, lol
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: chuckdeezoo on March 27, 2015, 05:59:49 pm
@Walko @Hugonaut.

If you really hated your time in this game so much, why are you guys even on the forums here?
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: NickyJ on March 27, 2015, 07:26:50 pm
@Walko @Hugonaut.

If you really hated your time in this game so much, why are you guys even on the forums here?
So that they may save us from our addictive ways that will land us in homeless shelters and halfway houses. If we're lucky, they may even give us a 25% discount for their books when they come out describing how they turned their lives around, and how we can too.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Nipplestockings on March 27, 2015, 07:49:31 pm
Everyone in this thread saying shit like "lol why didn't you leave" and "lol so desperate you had gud time get over it" clearly doesn't understand how addiction works. Video game and computer addiction is very real, btw.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Betaknight on March 27, 2015, 07:56:06 pm
Everyone in this thread saying shit like "lol why didn't you leave" and "lol so desperate you had gud time get over it" clearly doesn't understand how addiction works. Video game and computer addiction is very real, btw.
Yet we are all here.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Nipplestockings on March 27, 2015, 08:01:44 pm
What's your point?
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: bdd458 on March 27, 2015, 08:07:34 pm
When you enjoy doing something I don't see how you can call it ''wasted'' time. If you play this and you actually don't enjoy it, then you're ''wasting'' time as you could be spending that time on something you do enjoy.
this, if you enjoyed your time with I'd hardly call it wasted. Yeah I've spent a lot of time with the 8th, but they're my friends. I couldn't have imagined spending that time any other way, especially since most of my friends IRL started to have wildly different interests from me and found a different friend group. I essentially wound up with a small group of really good friends, and that's all you really need anyway.

I started back before my sophomore year of High School (August of 2011, back in MM), only a week prior to actually starting school. I don't regret it at all. Without people like Jorge, I wouldn't be the guy I am today. To be frank, before meeting Jorge I was far more awkward and shy and weird (officer's training and leading helped with that bit); Jorge is like an older brother to me. I don't consider my time wasted at all.

I have great memories of linebattles, I got to hone some of my organization skills when I ran my fairly successful LB for nearly a year, and have helped the 8th grow and stick together for all this time. I hardly consider that wasted. Now I'm in college with some great friends and I'm doing really well gradewise, and yet I still find time to linebattle and have fun.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Betaknight on March 27, 2015, 08:11:34 pm
What's your point?
That this is pointless. This thread has become a more of a "weep for my soul" thread. People will keep playing, whether or not they stop is up to them. What you are experiencing now is maturity, many others will too and it takes time for some. For those who are now realizing this (I already realized this long time ago, when I started modding) as I always say: Crying about it will not fix anything. The question now is: WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT? ARE YOU GOING TO KEEP REGRETTING THIS FOR YOUR ENTIRE LIFE? OR ACTUALLY GO AND DO SOMETHING PROGRESSIVE? The world is open. Go and take the advantages now instead of crying about the lost past. The future is the present not the past.
Keep discussing or go and do something progressive. I understand the message and so do others.
But imo there is no need to make this more depressing for others than it already is, specially in this dying community.
Case closed on my behave.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: NickyJ on March 27, 2015, 09:24:33 pm
For me, it's mostly that the overall message so far comes off as pontificating. 'I didn't manage my life properly, and it became an addiction until I quit. And because I couldn't keep a healthy balance, I'm here to tell you are all addicted too, and have to stop playing right this very moment because until then, you're all going to be failures in life.'

THAT is the message I'm getting from particular posts on here, and THAT is what turns me off the most. It goes into the same category as 'Some people get fat because they drink soda too much, so screw the rest of you who don't, we're banning large sized drinks because we know better than you and think you can't take care of yourselves.'

I get it, you're trying to give a cautionary tale. Fine. But don't climb onto your thrones to preach to us about how we're all addicted and can't help ourselves until we quit, and expect there isn't going to be blow back.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Riddlez on March 27, 2015, 09:27:04 pm
I'm here to tell you are all addicted to, and have to stop playing right this very moment because until then, you're all going to be failures.'

I'd strongly advice you to speak for yourself.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: NickyJ on March 27, 2015, 09:37:58 pm
Already have.

My advice to everyone is turn off the game and live your lives.
NW is a waist of life. What I am seeing is the intelligent people are realizing this and quitting. It was a shame to be sucked into it in the first place. It's such a delusion that we all have or are dealing/dealt with. I personally think it's a actual problem.
Sounds kinda preachy to me, implying that people who don't do as they advise either aren't living their lives or are unintelligent. But then again, I still enjoy NW, so maybe I'm just not one of the intelligent people that can figure it out.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: EdwardC on March 28, 2015, 05:46:37 pm
Walko gets it! I always liked you Walko. You're a smart man. With the exception of not joining the 29th! lol. gg no re.

NW is a waist of life. What I am seeing is the intelligent people are realizing this and quitting. It was a shame to be sucked into it in the first place. It's such a delusion that we all have or are dealing/dealt with. I personally think it's a actual problem.

I actually wrote something like this a month or so ago.


Spoiler
You guys won't like this.
I come back and poke on the forums every month maybe just to see how it's going, and see if there is any new devblogs. There never is.....But that's not the point. I'm here and I'm on a rant.
/startrant

Hi everyone, I'm Hugo and I'm a teamaholic.

I regret every second. A lot of you guys say that you've "met cool people" or "learned things" but the reality is this is a game, and there is next to nothing to actually be learned. And you haven't really met anyone. The best skill that can be achieved from playing this game is having the ability to administer/babysit children on the internet.

The game itself isn't even fun. It's aggravating, time consuming, and filled with douchebags. It's the community, the politics involved, and the people you play with that make it addicting. The time period is interesting and it's the only one of its kind. And that what makes the game seem to be worth while. But read my lips! IT'S A WAIST OF TIME!


To play as a ranker in this game is to sacrifice X hours of your life every week. Only to impress internet people. Your rank only signifies how well you function in an internet community. If you're a Sgt in the xxth no one cares. No one ever will. Even if you actually meet someone from the game IRL they still really don't care.  No one really does. You're all lying to yourselves about how it really isn't a waiste of time because you're all to scared of life. To go out and actually experience it. And I'm guilty of the same crime. At least I was.

As a officer/reg leader you learn how to babysit. And I saw Karth's post about the air force. If you think leading a regiment will help you in the military your world is upside down. Especially an officer in it. ESPECIALLY A PILOT! Leading/being a CO in a regiment takes a tremendous amount of time, dedication, and hard work. Now. think if you took all that power, all that drive and put it towards something real. Anything real. I don't care and neither does anyone in this community. Some people may think that what you're doing in life is interesting, and maybe you have some friends on here that you feel are real friends. Let me tell you something about them. They are real friends. But they're not REAL. Yeah, they're a real person on the other side of a keyboard. But they're not really there for you. They can't really help you, all they can do for you is play games with you. And what really is a game?  A game is an activity engaged in for diversion or amusement. Diversion. Diversion from what? REAL LIFE. The sooner you guys realize this the better. And karth. If you are serious about joining the AF, I preemptively thank you for serving. Not now but if you do(it's hard to be a officer nowadays with the peacetime and such).

Now some of you guys (a lot) of you guys are still in HS, Middle school, and I know they're are some 12thyearolds too(I had to!). And I urge you guys to not get swept into this diversion. If I could relive my life I would have never bought the game. In HS and below you guys haven't started life yet. There is not a whole lot that can really be done above and beyond. But let me carry on that point. You could. You could do almost anything else outside of this game in HS. Even drugs. And I'm not advocating drugs, but at least it's a real experience. But my point is this game is an utter waist of energy, life, and thousands upon thousands of player hours. Don't do drugs. Do something constructive. Like join 4H. or boyscouts, the list goes on. Just stop playing the game.


So for me personally I was addicted as one can be to this game. Line battles gave me a euphoric rush. And I told myself that it's what I enjoy(I did, and I still would) and I'd do it forever. And I was sincerely intending to do so. I told myself "eh, It'll keep me out of drugs." but playing this game didn't even stop that. Another really interesting thing, that I've heard time and time again from players is "I'd go hand out with my friends but nothing is ever going on." That's a lie a lot of us tell to ourselves. We all have friends. Not all of us, but most of us(I'm talking real life here). I would pull this card. You pull this card. We all do. But the brutal reality is that we all are/were letting life, and our friends pass us by. Sometimes you have to pick up the phone and make some plans. sometimes you have to leave the computer off and see what's actually going on in the world. Once I realized this stuff it hurt. It's not easy, nor fun to actually partake in real life. It's hard. But that's the problem we have as gamers. We don't want to grow up. But I urge you to do so.

This game was my addiction and I successfully kicked it to the curb. Doing so free'd up so much of my time.  Since the 29th disbanded I've lost 54 pounds. Gained some real life life long friends, and had a lot more time, energy and dedication to actually think about my life and how to further my self in this world. For me I was addicted to the team. Being on a team meant a lot to me, and still does. I had lost interest in the game long before the 29th disbanded. But it was the feeling of being on a team, and not letting internet people down is what brought me back time and time again. And a lot of you may never be able to shake that feeling. For you reg leaders: it only gets harder to disband. Never easier. You'll never outgrow it. You just have to say I'm done. And then a couple months down the road you'll realize how much of an idiot you were(for playing).

One thing I would like to urge is if you find yourselves addicted to the team atmosphere go join the military. Karth knows what's up. Even though his world is a little upside down. And I still can't shake the team mentality. And I never will. So I've joined the Army as a Medic and I intend to do that for as long as I can.

Most of you guys are good people and I hope you become successful in life. I'm just trying to help out in any way that I can and I hope this cleared up some things for you.


I've been clean since  Aug 15, 14
So what have we learned?
-You learn how to be in an internet clan
-all the time and effort you put into learning how to be in an internet clan has got you no where in real life, now you're 250 pounds, eat hot pockets for breakfast, lunch, and supper, and lie to yourself about achieving a meaningless title in an internet clan that means nothing in real life. But hey, you're having fun.
-No friends
-No time
I'm going to leave you guys with this and if there is a god. I hope you guys take heed to my words. Thanks for reading.
Spoiler
(https://cdn.empowernetwork.com/user_images/post/2014/02/05/0/f2/2b96/540x293_20140205_0f22b969a8164d1d7416f34e349900a1_jpg.jpg)
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/endrant

-Hugo
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My boy knows. (https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.troll.me%2Fimages%2Fdrizzy-obama%2Fthats-my-boy.jpg&hash=c3e2cf2141acfe5ffafcb0a09bd6d98265d975b7)
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Nico on March 28, 2015, 09:19:35 pm
no one cares about your life story that you wasted on wb/nw, people live their life by gamingothers by sports etc.
you cannot change that, I personally find that I have spent way too much time on wb but why the hell would anyone care and read about that lol

what is live your life? doing something what you like, right? Well people enjoy this game and gaming in general! of course you don't need to spend your time on it 24/7
as we all know yes that's unhealty :)), but you can do it as hobby whats wrong with that
And you can combine work/school/gaming/family together wisely
A lot of people have a great life with good grades or good job and gf/wife while playing the game 2000 hours, so i don't know why you're saying turn off the game and do better in real life
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Alexander on March 28, 2015, 11:39:39 pm
simple statement. If you want to quit, quit. If you want to keep playing, play. Jesus.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Dekkers on March 28, 2015, 11:55:49 pm
This topic... lol

The only hours I ''wasted'' playing M&B were the hours that I didn't enjoy, like playing some LB's and stuff like that. Every second I enjoyed was not wasted IMO

Anyone knows a good keyboard? My D key ripped while typing this
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Windflower on March 30, 2015, 04:24:34 am
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nathancaton.com%2Fnathancaton%2Fwp-content%2Fthemes%2Fonlyagame%2Fimages%2Fitsonlyagame.png&hash=662bf4aad4c4112c2ddbe6dccd89f1dde4418c23)

Why you heff to be mad?
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on March 30, 2015, 06:25:31 am
Nerds
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Dekkers on March 30, 2015, 11:36:14 am
Nerds
1v1 Rust, now
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on March 30, 2015, 12:31:35 pm
Spoiler
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nathancaton.com%2Fnathancaton%2Fwp-content%2Fthemes%2Fonlyagame%2Fimages%2Fitsonlyagame.png&hash=662bf4aad4c4112c2ddbe6dccd89f1dde4418c23)
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Why you heff to be mad?

rufuckingserius
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Gared on March 30, 2015, 07:25:05 pm
This community would definitly be better without a forum. All the game would need is in game servers up and no forum to cause these fucking drama. Honestly we don't need to hear people bitch , cry and whine about the game. If you do , you should just turn off your computer and quit your room, and never comeback to the game, simply.

We should all stick with talesworld
Edit: talesworld forums
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Alexander on March 30, 2015, 09:06:48 pm
This community would definitly be better without a forum. All the game would need is in game servers up and no forum to cause these fucking drama. Honestly we don't need to hear people bitch , cry and whine about the game. If you do , you should just turn off your computer and quit your room, and never comeback to the game, simply.

We should all stick with talesworld
Edit: talesworld forums
LOL
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Bear on March 30, 2015, 09:19:30 pm
The only thing I regret about playing this game is meeting you autists.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: chuckdeezoo on March 30, 2015, 09:25:09 pm
The only thing I regret about playing this game is meeting you autists.

+1
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Tyrionpk on March 30, 2015, 11:08:15 pm
Eat your shoes
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Llama on March 31, 2015, 12:23:07 am
The only thing I regret about playing this game is meeting you autists.

Red pilled son.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on March 31, 2015, 01:49:10 am
man I bet people of play video games just on average have spent well over 3000 $ on just buying video games.

out of everything you complain about the hours?

wrong
My Steam Profile (from SteamDB (https://steamdb.info/calculator/76561198121545900/?cc=uk))

  • Worth: £266 (£86 with sales)
  • Games owned: 23
  • Games not played: 8 (35%)
  • Hours on record: 1,326.2h
got about 655 hours on my old account too - but the total amount spent is nothing compared to the hours I have put in
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Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Nipplestockings on March 31, 2015, 01:55:22 am
(https://i.imgur.com/Vz9kEeZ.png)

Feels alright.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Betaknight on March 31, 2015, 02:13:52 am
(https://i.imgur.com/T9trmIV.png?1)
Not even 2000.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Nipplestockings on March 31, 2015, 02:15:36 am
The vast majority of people have under 100 games on steam. I think it's safe to say that most people only spend like $500 or so on games over a period of several years. Of course, many people in this community will have much higher than that average but whatever.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Betaknight on March 31, 2015, 02:23:22 am
Yeah.. even though most of these were gifted by old and kind forumers who enjoyed my work.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Nipplestockings on March 31, 2015, 02:32:14 am
For PC gaming it secures the vast majority of game sales revenue. Probably something like 80%.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Betaknight on March 31, 2015, 02:36:16 am
Lord Gaben has shown us the way. Plus most games you buy outside require a steam account.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on March 31, 2015, 02:50:20 am
man I bet people of play video games just on average have spent well over 3000 $ on just buying video games.

out of everything you complain about the hours?

wrong
My Steam Profile (from SteamDB (https://steamdb.info/calculator/76561198121545900/?cc=uk))

  • Worth: £266 (£86 with sales)
  • Games owned: 23
  • Games not played: 8 (35%)
  • Hours on record: 1,326.2h
got about 655 hours on my old account too - but the total amount spent is nothing compared to the hours I have put in
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I didn't realize steam was the only only place to buy games.

For PC gaming it secures the vast majority of game sales revenue. Probably something like 80%.
Lord Gaben has shown us the way. Plus most games you buy outside require a steam account.

...and the fact that the vast majority of regiments in whatever this monstrosity of a community we have left actually require you to join a Steam Group and add the COs on Steam. It's the dominant platform used for communicating between players, with websites and shit probably coming second or something.

Oh, and speaking about underlying assumptions here:
Spoiler
man I bet people of play video games just on average have spent well over 3000 $ on just buying video games.

out of everything you complain about the hours?
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I never realised that gamers necessarily spent more than $3000 dollars on their games. But then of course gamers are shady creatures living in their mother's basement who have wasted all of their pocket money on videogames in the last ten years since they left school. So they must have spent inexplicably large amounts of money on their addiction, right?
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Nipplestockings on March 31, 2015, 03:09:30 am
Don't forget that he's the only golden angel who doesn't do that. What a terrible time he must be having playing gamed if he's surrounded by neckbeards and permavirgins. So sad.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Alexander on March 31, 2015, 04:10:12 am
1st world problems. kek
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: NickyJ on March 31, 2015, 05:32:52 am
The majority of my games are not on Steam. Back before Steam was the shiz, I got Call of Duty, Medal of Honor, Civilization, and a bunch of other games from brick and mortar stores, or bought them off of sites like Amazon.com. Am I the only one here who actually did that? Jeeze, I'm only 19 and I'm already starting to feel like I'm more old-fashioned than the rest of you. :o

But yeah, no, I haven't spent $3,000 on games. I think I'd cry if I had spent even just $1,000 on games.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Nipplestockings on March 31, 2015, 05:49:20 am
Yes, we all did that too - not sure if you think we just didn't play video games before using steam.

Anyway, spending money on something you're interested in and passionate about is nothing to be ashamed of. Do you think gaming is an inherent waste of time?

Spoiler
90% of my games throughout the years have been purchased with my parents money anyway. Only recently have I started using my own hard earned cash on games. Feels good. Not like a waste at all considering I enjoy playing.
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Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: bdd458 on March 31, 2015, 05:54:44 am
Yeah, I enjoy video games hence I spend money on them. It's far from an issue lmao
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Riddlez on March 31, 2015, 03:08:00 pm
Teh actual value should be way, way lower: I bought a lot via Kinguin, so it only cost me a few bucks.

Spoiler
67 Games with a total value of 1023€
Value with sales 317€

Jaeger
2,142.5 hours on record, level 7
Profile created 3 years ago
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I mean, I did not even pay full Sniper Elite 3, Watch_Dogs, Sleeping Dogs and L.A. Noire... More like less than half...
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on June 09, 2015, 04:49:45 pm
I have 968 hours, most of it's from NW.

However, I find it very boring now... especially playing MP without anyone else.. I usually quit after 10-15 minutes. The only reason I play is for regiments, but now that's getting boring. I am also developing a mod so I think that I'm gaining something.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Nipplestockings on June 09, 2015, 06:46:09 pm
Earlier this week my playtime in RO2 surpassed my playtime in M&B. I consider it the end of an era in its truest sense. Even though I haven't played M&B for more than half an hour in over a year but whatever.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Turin Turambar on June 10, 2015, 07:25:56 am
https://steamdb.info/calculator/76561198029676636/?cc=us

How exactly isn't it a problem lol
I have 2000hrs more playtime but payed less than an eighth the money.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: MrTiki on June 11, 2015, 09:57:46 pm
I mean, I did not even pay full Sniper Elite 3, Watch_Dogs, Sleeping Dogs and L.A. Noire... More like less than half...
I don't remember the last time I paid full price for any game.
Rome 2: TW, Medieval 2: TW, Far Cry 3, Metro: LL, EU IV + 4 of the DLC all 75% off at one point or another.
Plus crap loads of games from Humble Bundle and Bundlestars, and two or three from G2A.
I have no problem with waiting a year for most games, at which point they go to half price during Summer/Winter sales and I buy them then. Only real exceptions are MP games which I generally try to get soonish if a number of my friends have them. I've also been gifted a few games like N:TW and I got Sniper Elite 2 when it was free for a weekend.
Then there's also the F2P games like WoT, War Thunder, DotA/Smite, TF2 etc, although of those I only really play Smite with any regularity. Still sunk a good number of hours into them over the years.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Suns on June 12, 2015, 09:53:08 am
https://steamdb.info/calculator/76561198035796658/?cc=us

Eh, it was a great 4 years so far. Still shitty computer but that changes June 22nd!
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: fieldshire on June 15, 2015, 01:49:42 am
Trick is just get really high and go to Taco Bell. Buy a taco 12 pack. From there just offer people tacos.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: SilverFlamingo on June 16, 2015, 02:17:51 pm
So Like many others in this community, I spent about three years of my life basically based around NW and the community. When I turned 18 and had to focus on real life I realized how absolutely wasted the past years were, pursuing goals that meant nothing, and getting worked up over what is really just a game.

If I could go back I would trll myself to stay away from NW and do real life shit. Life has been so much better not carinng about all the arbitrary bullshit of internet regiments.

What are your guys thoughts on this? How do you justify the obsurd amount of time we have collectively devoted to this game?

My advice to everyone is turn off the game and live your lives.

After the amount of posts you have and the many regiments you have been in and left I don't blame you for thinking you have wasted your time. I mean, I've been playing one year and I'm still in the same regiment. I enjoy it within moderation.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Nick Lazanis on June 16, 2015, 05:12:17 pm
It's called time management.  It's up to you to control if you have an addiction or not, you cannot blame anyone or any entity for it.  It's a game after all and the satisfaction of playing this game may be higher than that of doing real life stuff, for me I found that balance years ago.


+1.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Locust on June 17, 2015, 01:46:31 am
Gaming is fun but in the end it's really not the most productive thing you can be doing, especially if you are in still in high school. Karth is right, it is about time management but a lot of people in the end especially in this community aren't mature enough to balance school, personal health, and NW all in one and I will be the first person to say I wasn't mature enough to.  After I quit playing, I noticed my grades improve at least half a letter grade in all my subjects. I also was less stressed out because I didn't have to worry about dumbass regiment stuff. I found I had more free time to spend with my family and generally felt better because I wasn't sitting in front of a computer for 5-7 hours a day. My advice is if you are in high school, especially if you are a regiment leader or officer, please focus on your school work more than your regiment. I closed a lot of doors for myself by getting average-ish grades in high school rather than do the best I could have. But I'm sure there are people here that can manage their life better than I could so give yourselves a pat on the back.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Stunned Lime on June 17, 2015, 02:52:15 am
Gaming is fun but in the end it's really not the most productive thing you can be doing, especially if you are in still in high school. Karth is right, it is about time management but a lot of people in the end especially in this community aren't mature enough to balance school, personal health, and NW all in one and I will be the first person to say I wasn't mature enough to.  After I quit playing, I noticed my grades improve at least half a letter grade in all my subjects. I also was less stressed out because I didn't have to worry about dumbass regiment stuff. I found I had more free time to spend with my family and generally felt better because I wasn't sitting in front of a computer for 5-7 hours a day. My advice is if you are in high school, especially if you are a regiment leader or officer, please focus on your school work more than your regiment. I closed a lot of doors for myself by getting average-ish grades in high school rather than do the best I could have. But I'm sure there are people here that can manage their life better than I could so give yourselves a pat on the back.
Whata loser
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on June 17, 2015, 07:10:14 pm
Gaming is fun but in the end it's really not the most productive thing you can be doing, especially if you are in still in high school. Karth is right, it is about time management but a lot of people in the end especially in this community aren't mature enough to balance school, personal health, and NW all in one and I will be the first person to say I wasn't mature enough to.  After I quit playing, I noticed my grades improve at least half a letter grade in all my subjects. I also was less stressed out because I didn't have to worry about dumbass regiment stuff. I found I had more free time to spend with my family and generally felt better because I wasn't sitting in front of a computer for 5-7 hours a day. My advice is if you are in high school, especially if you are a regiment leader or officer, please focus on your school work more than your regiment. I closed a lot of doors for myself by getting average-ish grades in high school rather than do the best I could have. But I'm sure there are people here that can manage their life better than I could so give yourselves a pat on the back.

Some of the things what you said are true.

But you say that this isn't productive, and I disagree with you. You can be productive, just look in the Mini Modifications page. This will help you become a better texturer and modeller, and look at some of the mods people have made. I don't think this is unproductive.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Rutger Müller on June 18, 2015, 03:27:05 am
after this was made it seems Walko has started a trend of people pretending to quit NW lol
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Bear on June 18, 2015, 04:38:01 pm
Thats been going on since before Walko
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Locust on June 19, 2015, 04:10:11 am
Gaming is fun but in the end it's really not the most productive thing you can be doing, especially if you are in still in high school. Karth is right, it is about time management but a lot of people in the end especially in this community aren't mature enough to balance school, personal health, and NW all in one and I will be the first person to say I wasn't mature enough to.  After I quit playing, I noticed my grades improve at least half a letter grade in all my subjects. I also was less stressed out because I didn't have to worry about dumbass regiment stuff. I found I had more free time to spend with my family and generally felt better because I wasn't sitting in front of a computer for 5-7 hours a day. My advice is if you are in high school, especially if you are a regiment leader or officer, please focus on your school work more than your regiment. I closed a lot of doors for myself by getting average-ish grades in high school rather than do the best I could have. But I'm sure there are people here that can manage their life better than I could so give yourselves a pat on the back.

Some of the things what you said are true.

But you say that this isn't productive, and I disagree with you. You can be productive, just look in the Mini Modifications page. This will help you become a better texturer and modeller, and look at some of the mods people have made. I don't think this is unproductive.
That's true, I haven't thought about that. But I think only a small percentage of people make warband mods. I've only known several.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Theodin on June 19, 2015, 04:22:17 am
IMO, many people play this game and chill on the internet in general to get away from shit happening irl. Gotta say i'm in that boat, getting good at NW gave me a purpose and becoming a forum memer gave me something fun to do that doesn't bring up shit irl.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Walko on June 19, 2015, 04:28:54 am
after this was made it seems Walko has started a trend of people pretending to quit NW lol

I don't play NW anymore, just fuck around with people who take the Internet too seriously
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: fieldshire on June 19, 2015, 05:23:28 am
I play too much Europa.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Nipplestockings on June 19, 2015, 07:37:52 am
I play RO2 almost exclusively now and honestly it's gotten almost as bad as it was for me in NW. Some days I play for like six hours straight, and then I take a half hour break to eat or get up and I get back to it. Usually it's more like 3-4 hours per day on average though. Not the greatest.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Thundersnow on June 19, 2015, 09:55:02 am
I spent a ton of time playing Hearthstone.

Then I was like "Hey, why the fuck am I spending tons of time playing Hearthstone?" 


Problem solved.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Nipplestockings on June 19, 2015, 03:10:38 pm
Cool.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Layton on June 19, 2015, 05:19:25 pm
If you left NW why you on the NW Forums? Just go live your life then don't need to tell us all lol!
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on June 19, 2015, 06:31:01 pm
Every issue here could have been solved with better self-reflection and/or time management. NW is not the sole culprit for being so hopelessly addictive and eating up your life  :P
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Walko on June 19, 2015, 08:05:07 pm
I play RO2 almost exclusively now and honestly it's gotten almost as bad as it was for me in NW. Some days I play for like six hours straight, and then I take a half hour break to eat or get up and I get back to it. Usually it's more like 3-4 hours per day on average though. Not the greatest.

Get a life you God damn neckbeard
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: MrTiki on June 19, 2015, 08:14:14 pm
I like the new Walko.
The question remains, will he eat shoes?
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Nipplestockings on June 19, 2015, 08:40:49 pm
I play RO2 almost exclusively now and honestly it's gotten almost as bad as it was for me in NW. Some days I play for like six hours straight, and then I take a half hour break to eat or get up and I get back to it. Usually it's more like 3-4 hours per day on average though. Not the greatest.

Get a life you God damn neckbeard

n-no :-[
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Rutger Müller on June 19, 2015, 08:48:15 pm
after this was made it seems Walko has started a trend of people pretending to quit NW lol

I don't play NW anymore, just fuck around with people who take the Internet too seriously
Walko is too cool dank 420 for us now
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: fieldshire on June 20, 2015, 02:45:52 am
Europa Universalis IV all day, every day. Proud.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: EdwardC on June 20, 2015, 03:15:45 am
get a life m8
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Audiate on June 20, 2015, 04:10:13 am
Walko, he eat shoes
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Nick Lazanis on June 20, 2015, 12:53:33 pm
Walko, he eat shoes  his shoes.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Peter Broetz on June 20, 2015, 01:48:33 pm
I like the new Walko.
The question remains, will he eat shoes?
Been waiting a while now. You really are a huge disappointment to us all, Walko.
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: EdwardC on June 20, 2015, 04:36:06 pm
Walko, he eat shoes
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Walko on June 21, 2015, 01:20:57 am
Jesus Christ beat the fucking dead horse enough and maybe It will be funny again.

1. You are fucking retarded for thinking I'd keep my word.

2. I can't believe people still thinks it's funny years later.

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F25.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_lv7qqlJNJx1qjizy6o1_500.jpg&hash=ea0f8c7329a47d6154d54b8ca9927e3a2bc41438)

God damn chucklefucks
Title: Re: Wasting time.
Post by: Rutger Müller on June 21, 2015, 01:25:12 am
Eat your shoes pussy