Just a question. Is it correct that Ireland after only having won against ‘bad’ teams in the worse bracket can now get to third place if they play a single good match against Germany which had to defeat many much better teams of the winner bracket including Ukraine in a ‘third place match’ to get to the same stage? How on earth would Ireland be deserving of this third place?
So youre saying if germany cant beat ireland that defeated a load of "bad" teams. Surely if germany lose vs ireland (That only defeated "bad" teams). Surely germany are less deserving.
Just a thought is all
Well here's the problem. That's not how it works or at least that's not how it works in any sport (not saying that this is a sport lol) that I'm familiar with. A third place is not achieved by winning a single match on one day. It's won by winning loads of matches. Germany had to win against the Netherlands and Chzechoslovakia in order to get to a position where they can challenge for a top 3 spot. Now why are these teams not given an opportunity to play for a top 3 spot? Because they did better than Ireland in the first place and as a result of this had to face better opposition which made them lose earlier? Doesnt make any sense to me. Also by your logic which is, if I understand correctly, the following: "if A beats B and B beats C then surely A is better than C", Germany should already have gotten their third place as they defeated Ukraine which beat Ireland. So again this match would give Ireland an unfair opportunity. You're basically arguing with the fact that Germany are favorites here and completely ignoring everything done by and other team.
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Just want to clarify that Im not arguing because Germany are somehow afraid; to the contrary: lets play another match ! Its probably going to be fun. I just want to say that the logic behind this match doesnt make any sense to me and that the only reason no one has a problem with it is that Germany are favorites.
Well. What it looks like is that you're arguing against any Double elimination bracket....ever.... Its double elimination except instead of the winner of the secondary bracket getting another shot at the final, they get a shot at third place. Otherwise that would be a pisstake. The only difference is that Teams knocked out of the groupstage get another shot, instead of teams in the final stage getting another shot.
The reason this might seem stupid, is because we've never done double elimination/Secondary Brackets for NWWC before. I 100% understand where you are coming from, but i made this clear right from the start and i heard no complaints back then, why am i hearing them now?
This Secondary bracket is new to NWWC, i introduced it to allow other teams to stay in the tournament and have more fun, instead of the weaker teams being knocked out instantly. If you have half a brain cell (not being insulting) then you would see from the bracket that ireland were going to make it to the final of the secondary bracket, so my question comes back to why you never brought this up a while back.
Well if you do double elimination without including teams that lose after the group stage (first round or QFs) then this is a fucking bad system for the reasons that I have stated in my comment. Teams like Chzechoslovakia and the Netherlands are better teams than Ireland, have performed better in the actual tournament and still end up with a worse result (if Ireland lose they still finish 4t right?). With this ruleset it would have been better for Chzechoslovakia for example to lose their group stage matches on purpose as it would basically have guaranteed them a top 4 spot.
My half a brain cell is complaining now (without wanting a change, I dont want to prevent the match as Im quite confident about our chances) because I wasnt concerned before and I had no clue about this rule as I hadnt read a single sentence of the ruleset just like basically everyone else. I would problably not complain if Germany had lost in the QFs or won in the SFs either as I wouldnt be concerned and just wouldnt know about it. However this doesnt discredit my argument in the slightest as I never asked for the match to be cancelled, I just stated an opinion on the ruleset.
1st. I wasn't specifically pointing that you have half a braincell at all. I apologise if it sounded that way, i'm just trying to put across the obvious that it wasn't a big surprise Ireland made 1st place in the secondary bracket.
Secondly. This tournament has been massive. Also its been a Long one. The biggest NWWC we've had. As the organiser, who lets be honest, has been the only one really putting alot of effort into this years NWWC out of all the staff (Minus referees) have tried to make it as fun as possible. I cannot see peoples mentality when they say to me they want random brackets. It will end up like 2017 with such an anti-climactic final. Nobody wants that. All i heard off people when the brackets were announced was that these are extremely fair, nobody messaged me saying " i don't approve of these brackets". So the fact everyone is saying it now really just makes me laugh at how hard of sore losers you are. England had one of the toughest groupstages and Final stages. We went vs Germany ffs. i could've easily gave France team Germany but i didnt. So i really dont see how anyone can take high ground and say they were shit brackets. Next time if you have a problem, say it before you lose. not after.
Sorry Pheonix i completely went off you're point xD
