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The Mess Hall / Re: Wursti's Statistics Thread | Players completed

« on: November 20, 2023, 05:37:09 pm »

Blacktham was fresh off a very strong finals performance against RT, which Renegades won, a couple of weeks before this list. You’re “remembering” things how you want them to be, I’m talking about what actually happened

You literally went out your way for 10 months rinsing RT yet consistently losing to them, you've also been rinsing my placement in lists for the last 7 years, you're just coping and pretending you're spitting facts on the basis of you playing with these players - stop joking around, you're only complaining about the people you want to complain about but wouldn't touch any of your comrades, anyways I'm sure Wursti will understand exactly what's happening and bun you off.

You also admitted one strong final performance 2 weeks before this list yet that was a 2022 list as a whole, just goes to show the delusion. Besides, if I wasn't apparently top 15 by October (in your eyes), I was definitely top 20 and moved to top 10-15 by the end of the year, so what's your point? The more you type, the more delusional you look. By the end Bagins literally stepped down from Renegades because of his piss-poor actions and performance from the team, something you always want to forget. Whilst RT were dancing around, playing games, Renegades were just complaining about each other like babies, it was super toxic, was an episode of gossip girl and was memed on.

Why did nobody in your team think you were top 15 if you deserve to be in the top 10 dream team?

They did, not everyone contributed, plus there was still some sauce left over from Envy, which is why friends of friends were rated higher. Top 10 dream team wasn't based on only skill, it's consistency across the year with palmares, something that literally little to no one else has. Again, this is all your eyes, my contribution to the team in accordance with my palmares means that I'm a valuable asset, dream team isn't about how flashy you are. The same reason why a broken RT trashed your stack in our final tournament with me at the helm dealing damage, that shit was like child's play, didn't even need to practice or do trainings lmao

I don’t know if you’re just lying or what, half of your team contributed to the thread and none of them put you top 15. This is insane giga cope and you keep taking jabs at me as though it has anything to do with this situation 😂. You have “consistency across the year” cuz you benched in envy and rt, it’s not impressive and it doesn’t make you a “valuable asset”. The cope levels are off the chart and you’re actually attempting some weird revisionist history outplay when nobody at the time put you close to top 10

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The Mess Hall / Re: Wursti's Statistics Thread | Players completed

« on: November 20, 2023, 05:26:41 pm »

Blacktham was fresh off a very strong finals performance against RT, which Renegades won, a couple of weeks before this list. You’re “remembering” things how you want them to be, I’m talking about what actually happened

You literally went out your way for 10 months rinsing RT yet consistently losing to them, you've also been rinsing my placement in lists for the last 7 years, you're just coping and pretending you're spitting facts on the basis of you playing with these players - stop joking around, you're only complaining about the people you want to complain about but wouldn't touch any of your comrades, anyways I'm sure Wursti will understand exactly what's happening and bun you off.

You also admitted one strong final performance 2 weeks before this list yet that was a 2022 list as a whole, just goes to show the delusion. Besides, if I wasn't apparently top 15 by October (in your eyes), I was definitely top 20 and moved to top 10-15 by the end of the year, so what's your point? The more you type, the more delusional you look. By the end Bagins literally stepped down from Renegades because of his piss-poor actions and performance from the team, something you always want to forget. Whilst RT were dancing around, playing games, Renegades were just complaining about each other like babies, it was super toxic, was an episode of gossip girl and was memed on.

Why did nobody in your team think you were top 15 if you deserve to be in the top 10 dream team?

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The Mess Hall / Re: Wursti's Statistics Thread | Players completed

« on: November 20, 2023, 04:55:57 pm »

Well as I said, in the end it could also be that someone else of the Dreamteams wasnt a main player but we just dont know it so I cant really rob Fietta there as that would be unfair

No matter how big or small the impact was, in the end he was part of their success and still got voted 11-20 in 2022, just as Narrow whos also in that team

As late as October nobody in his team or outside of it thought he was 1-15 - it just seems unfair for someone to be on the “dream team” after speccing for 10 months and “supporting” Achilles on a flank for 2 over someone like Bagins who everyone saw as a top 3 player for half the year. Narrow was at least playing main lineup the whole time for RT.

I never specced for 10 months, that's an absolute joke lmao. Again that list thing was stupidly weighted and held no substance. I played in almost every 6v6 or 7v7, the same as Narrow then even more so after. People just underrated on the basis of being a support player and lists such as that heavily weighted individual skill, that isn't something that wasn't unknown. I also played with many others in RT, it's just Achilles and I were a great flank and it stook.

It's obviously fair on this basis, but you talking about someone being leadership of a team (namely NWWC) and then falling short in the rest of the year is worthy. Individual mechanics is not the correct way of weighting people. Again, it's baseless on the condition you've been playing with Bagins the last two years. I was placed in the dream team due to my input as a support player and contributing greatly to the team, I'm a smart player, not a flashy one. Otherwise you'd be having the same discussion about Chuckster in Envy being a partner with Achilles and then completely dropping off after, but you just like to target, which is funny actually, even you, yourself complained about both Bagins and especially Chuckster.

Actually this thread makes it pretty clear which one of us is being revisionist and which one is remembering things accurately: https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?topic=48541.0

You were not regarded as a top 15 player at the time, and if you want to talk about impact outside of “individual mechanics” Bagins had the biggest of anyone that year by making and mentoring Renegades and with his leading

This was top 15 on the basis of individual skill, they always have been - it also didn't really have that many reliable contributers, and the ones who contributed were mainly L2 or your pals bud. It wasn't made on the basis of it being an accurate list, mainly just people copy-pastering the same 15 names someone else put but moving them around. A great example is putting fucking blacktham in there xddddddddd Not much thought went into that list and was created on a whim by Achilles, originally as a fukin meme, many posts got removed

Blacktham was fresh off a very strong finals performance against RT, which Renegades won, a couple of weeks before this list. You’re “remembering” things how you want them to be, I’m talking about what actually happened

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The Mess Hall / Re: Wursti's Statistics Thread | Players completed

« on: November 20, 2023, 04:35:31 pm »

Well as I said, in the end it could also be that someone else of the Dreamteams wasnt a main player but we just dont know it so I cant really rob Fietta there as that would be unfair

No matter how big or small the impact was, in the end he was part of their success and still got voted 11-20 in 2022, just as Narrow whos also in that team

As late as October nobody in his team or outside of it thought he was 1-15 - it just seems unfair for someone to be on the “dream team” after speccing for 10 months and “supporting” Achilles on a flank for 2 over someone like Bagins who everyone saw as a top 3 player for half the year. Narrow was at least playing main lineup the whole time for RT.

I never specced for 10 months, that's an absolute joke lmao. Again that list thing was stupidly weighted and held no substance. I played in almost every 6v6 or 7v7, the same as Narrow then even more so after. People just underrated on the basis of being a support player and lists such as that heavily weighted individual skill, that isn't something that wasn't unknown. I also played with many others in RT, it's just Achilles and I were a great flank and it stook.

It's obviously fair on this basis, but you talking about someone being leadership of a team (namely NWWC) and then falling short in the rest of the year is worthy. Individual mechanics is not the correct way of weighting people. Again, it's baseless on the condition you've been playing with Bagins the last two years. I was placed in the dream team due to my input as a support player and contributing greatly to the team, I'm a smart player, not a flashy one. Otherwise you'd be having the same discussion about Chuckster in Envy being a partner with Achilles and then completely dropping off after, but you just like to target, which is funny actually, even you, yourself complained about both Bagins and especially Chuckster.

Actually this thread makes it pretty clear which one of us is being revisionist and which one is remembering things accurately: https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?topic=48541.0

You were not regarded as a top 15 player at the time, and if you want to talk about impact outside of “individual mechanics” Bagins had the biggest of anyone that year by making and mentoring Renegades and with his leading

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The Mess Hall / Re: Wursti's Statistics Thread | Players completed

« on: November 20, 2023, 03:23:36 pm »

Well as I said, in the end it could also be that someone else of the Dreamteams wasnt a main player but we just dont know it so I cant really rob Fietta there as that would be unfair

No matter how big or small the impact was, in the end he was part of their success and still got voted 11-20 in 2022, just as Narrow whos also in that team

As late as October nobody in his team or outside of it thought he was 1-15 - it just seems unfair for someone to be on the “dream team” after speccing for 10 months and “supporting” Achilles on a flank for 2 over someone like Bagins who everyone saw as a top 3 player for half the year. Narrow was at least playing main lineup the whole time for RT.

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The Mess Hall / Re: Wursti's Statistics Thread | Players completed

« on: November 20, 2023, 09:49:58 am »

Bagins was 1-10 in the votes but as I said its not all that matters on here as it would just be a clone from what Gibby and Herishey did

In the end saying that Fietta shouldnt be there from an individual level is obviously true, but in the end he had his part in the dominant team of that year and still was voted 11-20
And im sure many people dont like him either and thats what many had to suffer from on lists (hello) which is why I always was a fan of pure numbers

But in the end I want this to be accurate so I could change it of course

Thank you very much for appreciating the best support player in NW 2022, I even have clips of farming Gibby and co in rotations! I see you removed me from the best team 2022, ultimately support players are always needed and the fact you caved in to Gibby and Zeyden's dribble is disappointing.

Oneil is irrelevant and has been trash talking me since 2016, randomly comes here and is useless as per

I've been beating Gibby and Zeyden in the entirety of 2022 with enough videos to prove it, they're talking about individual skill but obviously don't talk about smart play, which is something I excelled in way more than these two. The end of RT without Python, no trainings or anything similar, unfortunately for Gibby, his team with Zeyden got bodied in the finals, with me starting it off with a quadrakill. As tommy has said, this is about statistics, not about fancy feints or ranges, thus my rightful place in the 2022 team would make absolute sense and the creme de la creme of support players. The fact you listen to such monstrous fools and obvious rivals is silly, the scent of jealousy in the air is rampant!

Don't be fooled or baited by people who are jealous of RT, you're way smarter than that. I'd also like to humble Gibby and say that I was a core member of RT near the start, and he is blinded by 5v5 tournaments or anything similar. Bagins spent more time trolling his team half-way through, causing more issues than playing, no chance with that dead-ass attitude he even sniffed top 10, it's no wonder he couldn't be in any team without him leaving or being kicked for his piss-poor attitude. It's even more comical seeing Chuckster in top 10 2022 when he was farmed after he didn't have Achilles next to him and was memed on for not even being able to rotate in rotations and running in like an absolute buffoon, Chuckster made any team worse in 2022 because of his terrible trolling attitude, no one can deny that.

It's funny how they mention only me but don't mention people like Chuckster who's impact with the first two months of the year in Envy then considerably dropped off after. It's blatant bias and one sided. Think harder Wursti, don't get baited by rivals.

kind regards,
trot888

you can write whatever turbo essay you want, but you didn’t play main lineup in 2022 until September/October. nobody should be on the top 10 of a year when they were only playing proper matches for a few months

What's your opinion on Chuckster after Envy then? Or Bagins after NWWC? You're a joke lmao

Chuckster played the whole year and Bagins had massive impact on the scene from like April-October before he lost interest. you can’t be on the top 10 when you comparatively barely played and to think otherwise is just cope

Sorry, I asked what your opinion of Chuckster was after Envy, because we all know who the biggest fall from grace was, I want to hear the cope dribble that you come up with surrounding Chuckster too, or you'll just not respond on the basis that you can't form an opinion without dobbing the biggest fall from grace in 2022 in. You could argue he wasn't even top 20-30 in 2022.

This is nonsense and you’re parroting hyperbolic reactionary comments made by players actually capable of judging others’ skill levels.
Check this thread: https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?topic=48541.0
In October of 2022 nobody rated you top 15, not even any of your own teammates. Meanwhile, Chuckster is still in the conversation for top 10, and that’s at his lowest or close to lowest point.

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The Mess Hall / Re: Wursti's Statistics Thread | Players completed

« on: November 20, 2023, 09:43:26 am »

Bagins was 1-10 in the votes but as I said its not all that matters on here as it would just be a clone from what Gibby and Herishey did

In the end saying that Fietta shouldnt be there from an individual level is obviously true, but in the end he had his part in the dominant team of that year and still was voted 11-20
And im sure many people dont like him either and thats what many had to suffer from on lists (hello) which is why I always was a fan of pure numbers

But in the end I want this to be accurate so I could change it of course

Thank you very much for appreciating the best support player in NW 2022, I even have clips of farming Gibby and co in rotations! I see you removed me from the best team 2022, ultimately support players are always needed and the fact you caved in to Gibby and Zeyden's dribble is disappointing.

Oneil is irrelevant and has been trash talking me since 2016, randomly comes here and is useless as per

I've been beating Gibby and Zeyden in the entirety of 2022 with enough videos to prove it, they're talking about individual skill but obviously don't talk about smart play, which is something I excelled in way more than these two. The end of RT without Python, no trainings or anything similar, unfortunately for Gibby, his team with Zeyden got bodied in the finals, with me starting it off with a quadrakill. As tommy has said, this is about statistics, not about fancy feints or ranges, thus my rightful place in the 2022 team would make absolute sense and the creme de la creme of support players. The fact you listen to such monstrous fools and obvious rivals is silly, the scent of jealousy in the air is rampant!

Don't be fooled or baited by people who are jealous of RT, you're way smarter than that. I'd also like to humble Gibby and say that I was a core member of RT near the start, and he is blinded by 5v5 tournaments or anything similar. Bagins spent more time trolling his team half-way through, causing more issues than playing, no chance with that dead-ass attitude he even sniffed top 10, it's no wonder he couldn't be in any team without him leaving or being kicked for his piss-poor attitude. It's even more comical seeing Chuckster in top 10 2022 when he was farmed after he didn't have Achilles next to him and was memed on for not even being able to rotate in rotations and running in like an absolute buffoon, Chuckster made any team worse in 2022 because of his terrible trolling attitude, no one can deny that.

It's funny how they mention only me but don't mention people like Chuckster who's impact with the first two months of the year in Envy then considerably dropped off after. It's blatant bias and one sided. Think harder Wursti, don't get baited by rivals.

kind regards,
trot888

you can write whatever turbo essay you want, but you didn’t play main lineup in 2022 until September/October. nobody should be on the top 10 of a year when they were only playing proper matches for a few months

What's your opinion on Chuckster after Envy then? Or Bagins after NWWC? You're a joke lmao

Chuckster played the whole year and Bagins had massive impact on the scene from like April-October before he lost interest. you can’t be on the top 10 when you comparatively barely played and to think otherwise is just cope

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The Mess Hall / Re: Wursti's Statistics Thread | Players completed

« on: November 20, 2023, 09:40:17 am »

Bagins was 1-10 in the votes but as I said its not all that matters on here as it would just be a clone from what Gibby and Herishey did

In the end saying that Fietta shouldnt be there from an individual level is obviously true, but in the end he had his part in the dominant team of that year and still was voted 11-20
And im sure many people dont like him either and thats what many had to suffer from on lists (hello) which is why I always was a fan of pure numbers

But in the end I want this to be accurate so I could change it of course

Thank you very much for appreciating the best support player in NW 2022, I even have clips of farming Gibby and co in rotations! I see you removed me from the best team 2022, ultimately support players are always needed and the fact you caved in to Gibby and Zeyden's dribble is disappointing.

Oneil is irrelevant and has been trash talking me since 2016, randomly comes here and is useless as per

I've been beating Gibby and Zeyden in the entirety of 2022 with enough videos to prove it, they're talking about individual skill but obviously don't talk about smart play, which is something I excelled in way more than these two. The end of RT without Python, no trainings or anything similar, unfortunately for Gibby, his team with Zeyden got bodied in the finals, with me starting it off with a quadrakill. As tommy has said, this is about statistics, not about fancy feints or ranges, thus my rightful place in the 2022 team would make absolute sense and the creme de la creme of support players. The fact you listen to such monstrous fools and obvious rivals is silly, the scent of jealousy in the air is rampant!

Don't be fooled or baited by people who are jealous of RT, you're way smarter than that. I'd also like to humble Gibby and say that I was a core member of RT near the start, and he is blinded by 5v5 tournaments or anything similar. Bagins spent more time trolling his team half-way through, causing more issues than playing, no chance with that dead-ass attitude he even sniffed top 10, it's no wonder he couldn't be in any team without him leaving or being kicked for his piss-poor attitude. It's even more comical seeing Chuckster in top 10 2022 when he was farmed after he didn't have Achilles next to him and was memed on for not even being able to rotate in rotations and running in like an absolute buffoon, Chuckster made any team worse in 2022 because of his terrible trolling attitude, no one can deny that.

It's funny how they mention only me but don't mention people like Chuckster who's impact with the first two months of the year in Envy then considerably dropped off after. It's blatant bias and one sided. Think harder Wursti, don't get baited by rivals.

kind regards,
trot888

you can write whatever turbo essay you want, but you didn’t play main lineup in 2022 until September/October. nobody should be on the top 10 of a year when they were only playing proper matches for a few months

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Competitive EU Events/Tournaments / Re: Roni Tournament #2 l 19th November

« on: November 19, 2023, 10:22:43 pm »

gg had fun, it was not very balanced putting me on the same team as red and kennedy tho

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Competitive EU Events/Tournaments / Re: Roni Tournament #2 l 19th November

« on: November 19, 2023, 07:29:09 pm »

I mean i find it amazing how ppl who signed up before the deadline dont get into any teams but people who sign up after the deadline get instantly picked to the team. Ridiculous

If someone who signed up before me wants to play instead of me I’m happy playing vermintide tonight instead

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The Mess Hall / Re: Wursti's Statistics Thread | Players completed

« on: November 19, 2023, 05:09:35 pm »

Bagins should be in 2022 over Fietta

it's based on statistics

This is obviously incorrect, or it would be exactly the same as the percentage of points section

We can argue about the skill lvl Fietta ended up with, but he was a spec npc for 80% of the year, through all of Envy and the first half of RT, up until September/October. That’s not controversial, he wasn’t good enough to play before that point and didn’t. So he played in matches for like 3 months of the year, while Bagins put the England 2022 team together when it was a mess, went onto Renegades and finished the year with Regrouped and was generally regarded as a top 3 player until he quit Renegades in October. I think you were asking the wrong ppl if they put someone that barely played that year in their top 10.

Bagins being in 2022 is not just about skill, it’s about him having more impact on the year than anyone else by making Renegades out of nothing. 2022 would’ve been a complete wash if he didn’t make it, and if he didn’t put the effort in to create a team as good as RT out of players very few ppl thought could do that. Renegades fell off after roster changes and less motivation from Bagins, but for the first few months he made a team that was outcompeting a giga stack.

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The Mess Hall / Re: Wursti's Statistics Thread | Players completed

« on: November 19, 2023, 03:40:33 am »

Bagins should be in 2022 over Fietta

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Competitive EU Events/Tournaments / Re: Roni Tournament #2 l 19th November

« on: November 19, 2023, 03:36:30 am »

Past the deadline but can play if it's needed for balance

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M.Tournaments Board / Re: NWMC S2 | Semis | Single Elimination

« on: October 28, 2023, 01:02:52 am »

WW 16 - 9 NiP

gg easy match as expected without admin advantage, unfortunate ciomcio couldn't perform today

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M.Tournaments Board / Re: NWMC S2 | Semis | Single Elimination

« on: October 27, 2023, 06:10:35 pm »

Match: WW vs NiP
Date & Time: Today 8:30 BST
Server Number (1-3): FRA 1