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Title: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Norwegian13 on November 14, 2016, 05:35:11 pm
A new thread where we can discuss World Politics in general.

Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Norwegian13 on November 15, 2016, 01:31:53 am
Duuring said that he deleted the old World Politics Thread because it exceeded a 100 pages and we all know the FSE 100-page rule.

However, to drive this thread on-topic a bit we could discuss the recent elections in Moldova and Bulgaria that saw two Eurosceptic and pro-Russian presidents get elected.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: MrTiki on November 15, 2016, 01:42:59 am
I mean it wasn't just one thing; obviously it's been over 100 for a long time now. Now that the campaign is over, you 'Muricans have to either get over it or get making 'Murica great again, depending on which candidate you wanted to win. Either way, the memes can stop now and we can move on to more grown up things. It's simply a convenient time to merge the politics threads and hopefully keep them more mature (although I'll believe it when I see it).

There's nothing wrong with discussing politics, but just keep it at discussions, rather than spamming memes, spewing insults and so on. Obviously this applies to (and always has) people at any point on the political spectrum, but for some reason those on one side in particular seem to enjoy playing the victim card. It gets you nowhere. Don't bother.



Anywho, what do people think of Trump's talks with Putin, potential attempts to defrost the relationship and so on?
On the one hand I welcome any reduction in jingoism between the US and Russia, but on the other I hope it doesn't also imply that Trump will turn a blind eye to the massive abuse in Russia.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Thunderstormer on November 15, 2016, 01:57:56 am
Going off topic or whining about the past thread is not what this thread is for.

and pretty much  this.

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I mean it wasn't just one thing; obviously it's been over 100 for a long time now. Now that the campaign is over, you 'Muricans have to either get over it or get making 'Murica great again, depending on which candidate you wanted to win. Either way, the memes can stop now and we can move on to more grown up things. It's simply a convenient time to merge the politics threads and hopefully keep them more mature (although I'll believe it when I see it).

There's nothing wrong with discussing politics, but just keep it at discussions, rather than spamming memes, spewing insults and so on. Obviously this applies to (and always has) people at any point on the political spectrum, but for some reason those on one side in particular seem to enjoy playing the victim card. It gets you nowhere. Don't bother.

now back to the topic.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: StevenChilton on November 20, 2016, 10:58:19 pm
Anyone watching the French Presidential elections? The Republicans (French conservatives) are having their open primary tonight.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Duuring on November 20, 2016, 11:05:50 pm
I hope Juppé, but I predict Fillon. Anything is better then SarkoPen though.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: BabyJesus on November 20, 2016, 11:18:19 pm
will it be live streamed with english subtitles?
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Norwegian13 on November 20, 2016, 11:18:35 pm
Rooting for Le Pen. Let's secure another glorious Eurosceptic and "deplorable" victory.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: BabyJesus on November 20, 2016, 11:24:46 pm
if you dont vote foe Le Pen then you are a women hater
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Norwegian13 on November 20, 2016, 11:24:59 pm
if you dont vote foe Le Pen then you are a women hater

Words.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: BabyJesus on November 20, 2016, 11:25:49 pm
if you dont vote foe Le Pen then you are a women hater

Words.
just using Hilary logic
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: DanielG453 on November 20, 2016, 11:31:53 pm
Rooting for Le Pen. Let's secure another glorious Eurosceptic and "deplorable" victory.

Le Pen for Victory, it's time for the French people to take back control of their nation!
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Golden. on November 20, 2016, 11:35:03 pm
Rooting for Le Pen. Let's secure another glorious Eurosceptic and "deplorable" victory.

Le Pen for Victory, it's time for the French people to take back control of their nation!

I would agree looking at the other candidates
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Duuring on November 20, 2016, 11:37:18 pm
Le Pen is nothing but a homophobic collaborator-in-waiting funded by Putin.

Before we have the French and German elections, there will be parliamentary elections in my country on March the 15th, which will probably be seen as an indicator for the outcome of the German and French elections. Polls show a very splintered result. No majority coalition with less then four parties seem likely. Nobody has much faith in Dutch Trump Wilders.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: BabyJesus on November 20, 2016, 11:42:23 pm
Le Pen is nothing but a homophobic collaborator-in-waiting funded by Putin.

Before we have the French and German elections, there will be parliamentary elections in my country on March the 15th, which will probably be seen as an indicator for the outcome of the German and French elections. Polls show a very splintered result. No majority coalition with less then four parties seem likely. Nobody has much faith in Dutch Trump Wilders.
is there a "Dutch trump" in the Netherlands?   
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Golden. on November 20, 2016, 11:47:42 pm
Personnaly I would always vote for a centre-right leadership, and I think we will see Juppe taking the presidency over Fillon, despite Pen's appeal. Oh and can everyone stop giving the UK a hard time, please forgive for brexit! :'(
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Duuring on November 20, 2016, 11:48:08 pm
Just look at him

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b6/Geert_Wilders_op_Prinsjesdag_2014_(cropped).jpg/266px-Geert_Wilders_op_Prinsjesdag_2014_(cropped).jpg)

In his defence, he looked like this long before he even split from the liberals in 2004.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Golden. on November 20, 2016, 11:49:28 pm
Just look at him

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b6/Geert_Wilders_op_Prinsjesdag_2014_(cropped).jpg/266px-Geert_Wilders_op_Prinsjesdag_2014_(cropped).jpg)

In his defence, he looked like this long before he even split from the liberals in 2004.
Wow, that's quite the resemblance.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Norwegian13 on November 20, 2016, 11:49:56 pm
Personnaly I would always vote for a centre-right leadership, and I think we will see Juppe taking the presidency over Fillon, despite Pen's appeal. Oh and can everyone stop giving the UK a hard time, please forgive for brexit! :'(

Brexit wasn't bad at all. Just trigger that article already ;)
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: DanielG453 on November 20, 2016, 11:50:40 pm
Le Pen is nothing but a homophobic collarborator-in-waiting funded by Putin.

Before we have the French and German elections, there will be parliamentary elections in my country on March the 15th, which will probably be seen as an indicator for the outcome of the German and French elections. Polls show a very splintered result. A three-party centre-right coalition or a four to five-party centre-left coalition are the most likely outcomes. Nobody has much faith in Dutch Trump Wilders.

I don't see what Le Pens stance on gay marriage has to do with this. I think Brexit and the election of President Elect Donald J Trump are a watershed moment for the world; this is why I believe the elections in France and Germany will lead to the end of the broken and the corrupt European Union.  Reflected in the words of Donald Trump  "The nation-state remains the true foundation for happiness and harmony." the dangerous dream of a United States of Europe is coming to and end.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Duuring on November 20, 2016, 11:55:23 pm
We'll see.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: DanielG453 on November 20, 2016, 11:56:11 pm
Personnaly I would always vote for a centre-right leadership, and I think we will see Juppe taking the presidency over Fillon, despite Pen's appeal. Oh and can everyone stop giving the UK a hard time, please forgive for brexit! :'(
Why would you ask for forgiveness for democracy, Brexit is a great opportunity for Britain. Secondly, the cause of European integration is one Britain never requested to be a part of, respect the vote and decision made by our people. Hold your head high and be proud to be British!
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Golden. on November 21, 2016, 12:00:51 am
Spoiler
Le Pen is nothing but a homophobic collarborator-in-waiting funded by Putin.

Before we have the French and German elections, there will be parliamentary elections in my country on March the 15th, which will probably be seen as an indicator for the outcome of the German and French elections. Polls show a very splintered result. A three-party centre-right coalition or a four to five-party centre-left coalition are the most likely outcomes. Nobody has much faith in Dutch Trump Wilders.

I don't see what Le Pens stance on gay marriage has to do with this. I think Brexit and the election of President Elect Donald J Trump are a watershed moment for the world; this is why I believe the elections in France and Germany will lead to the end of the broken and the corrupt European Union.  Reflected in the words of Donald Trump  "The nation-state remains the true foundation for happiness and harmony." the dangerous dream of a United States of Europe is coming to and end.
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Coming to an end, yes. But a better end? Now we just have a bunch of rag-tag states, with in my opinion silly leaders (Trump) with exactly zero political knowledge or experience, and they will most likely just ruin everything, long serving, dedicated representatives have attempted to build for years such as the EU which really only had a lot of good going for it. Brexit has just triggered all the salty Europeans to give the UK a hard Brexit which will in turn cause significant economic damage, and will in no way help anybody in the UK. For years people complain about, corrupt, unrepresentative politicians and they think voting in complete baboons is any better? Absolutely baffling in my opinion. :(
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Golden. on November 21, 2016, 12:03:23 am
Personnaly I would always vote for a centre-right leadership, and I think we will see Juppe taking the presidency over Fillon, despite Pen's appeal. Oh and can everyone stop giving the UK a hard time, please forgive for brexit! :'(
Why would you ask for forgiveness for democracy, Brexit is a great opportunity for Britain. Secondly, the cause of European integration is one Britain never requested to be a part of, respect the vote and decision made by our people. Hold your head high and be proud to be British!
I know I mixed US politics back there, I apologise. However it still remains the same Brexit was stupid just consider that the majority of Parliament disagree, and that we have seen nothing, nothing postive come of Brexit yet.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: StevenChilton on November 21, 2016, 12:04:37 am
I think Fillon is going to win the second round of the primary-he got over 40% in the first round and Sarkozy has endorsed him, so I can't see Juppe in with much of a chance. Le Pen will probably win the first round of the general, so I think the main thing here is a) by how much she wins, and b) who comes second.

It's also incredible that Merkel is standing for a fourth term as Chancellor, mainly because her own MPs are saying there's nobody else within the party who has the standing to take over. Likewise she has no serious rival in the opposition parties either. Really quite bizarre that a woman who's been in office since 2005 has no opponent in a nation of 80 million people-either she's the luckiest politician alive or at the very least she's purged/sidelined potential challengers within her own party (in that sense putting a 74 year old, wheelchair-bound cripple in as finance minister was a smart move).
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Norwegian13 on November 21, 2016, 12:09:23 am
Spoiler
Le Pen is nothing but a homophobic collarborator-in-waiting funded by Putin.

Before we have the French and German elections, there will be parliamentary elections in my country on March the 15th, which will probably be seen as an indicator for the outcome of the German and French elections. Polls show a very splintered result. A three-party centre-right coalition or a four to five-party centre-left coalition are the most likely outcomes. Nobody has much faith in Dutch Trump Wilders.

I don't see what Le Pens stance on gay marriage has to do with this. I think Brexit and the election of President Elect Donald J Trump are a watershed moment for the world; this is why I believe the elections in France and Germany will lead to the end of the broken and the corrupt European Union.  Reflected in the words of Donald Trump  "The nation-state remains the true foundation for happiness and harmony." the dangerous dream of a United States of Europe is coming to and end.
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Coming to an end, yes. But a better end? Now we just have a bunch of rag-tag states, with in my opinion silly leaders (Trump) with exactly zero political knowledge or experience, and they will most likely just ruin everything, long serving, dedicated representatives have attempted to build for years such as the EU which really only had a lot of good going for it. Brexit has just triggered all the salty Europeans to give the UK a hard Brexit which will in turn cause significant economic damage, and will in no way help anybody in the UK. For years people complain about, corrupt, unrepresentative politicians and they think voting in complete baboons is any better? Absolutely baffling in my opinion. :(

Well, "unexperienced" leaders mean that they will give the politics a new point of view, meaning that it's not necessarily a bad thing. The idea of a European superstate is good in theory, but it would never work in practice, such as the great theory of Communism. There are just far too many differences between European nations to make one superstate work. And to be honest, I don't think the European Union will survive much longer. The rise of Euroscepticism throughout Europe will probably result in many more states leaving the union, and I don't think that it's a bad thing. It's rather positive in my opinion.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Duuring on November 21, 2016, 12:10:46 am
Or maybe she really just is the best candidate?

No candidate has ever won the French Presidential elections in the first round, and Sarkozy was the first in decades to win more then 30% in the first round. Le Pen's poll's average is a little under 30%. Undoubtly they may be off by a few percent, but 20% seems more like wishful thinking.

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Well, "unexperienced" leaders mean that they will give the politics a new point of view, meaning that it's not necessarily a bad thing.

Oh my sweet summer child.

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There are just far too many differences between European nations to make one superstate work.

Which is why nobody is argueing for a superstate. The Federalists are called the Federalists for a reason.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Norwegian13 on November 21, 2016, 12:13:32 am
Or maybe she really just is the best candidate?

No candidate has ever won the French Presidential elections in the first round, and Sarkozy was the first in decades to win more then 30% in the first round. Le Pen's poll's average is a little under 30%. Undoubtly they may be of by a few percent, but 20% seems more like wishful thinking.

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Well, "unexperienced" leaders mean that they will give the politics a new point of view, meaning that it's not necessarily a bad thing.

Oh my sweet summer child.

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There are just far too many differences between European nations to make one superstate work.

Which is why nobody is argueing for a superstate. The Federalists are called the Federalists for a reason.

I've heard arguements for a superstate earlier, and even if you perhaps don't stand for it, some do.

Regarding your comment about unexperienced leaders, it's not like Trump doesn't have a full government of experienced politicians to support him along the way, so I don't think we should be way too worried about him being unexperienced. It's not the first time we've seen an unexperienced president come to power.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Golden. on November 21, 2016, 12:17:44 am
Spoiler
Spoiler
Le Pen is nothing but a homophobic collarborator-in-waiting funded by Putin.

Before we have the French and German elections, there will be parliamentary elections in my country on March the 15th, which will probably be seen as an indicator for the outcome of the German and French elections. Polls show a very splintered result. A three-party centre-right coalition or a four to five-party centre-left coalition are the most likely outcomes. Nobody has much faith in Dutch Trump Wilders.

I don't see what Le Pens stance on gay marriage has to do with this. I think Brexit and the election of President Elect Donald J Trump are a watershed moment for the world; this is why I believe the elections in France and Germany will lead to the end of the broken and the corrupt European Union.  Reflected in the words of Donald Trump  "The nation-state remains the true foundation for happiness and harmony." the dangerous dream of a United States of Europe is coming to and end.
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Coming to an end, yes. But a better end? Now we just have a bunch of rag-tag states, with in my opinion silly leaders (Trump) with exactly zero political knowledge or experience, and they will most likely just ruin everything, long serving, dedicated representatives have attempted to build for years such as the EU which really only had a lot of good going for it. Brexit has just triggered all the salty Europeans to give the UK a hard Brexit which will in turn cause significant economic damage, and will in no way help anybody in the UK. For years people complain about, corrupt, unrepresentative politicians and they think voting in complete baboons is any better? Absolutely baffling in my opinion. :(
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Well, "unexperienced" leaders mean that they will give the politics a new point of view, meaning that it's not necessarily a bad thing. The idea of a European superstate is good in theory, but it would never work in practice, such as the great theory of Communism. There are just far too many differences between European nations to make one superstate work. And to be honest, I don't think the European Union will survive much longer. The rise of Euroscepticism throughout Europe will probably result in many more states leaving the union, and I don't think that it's a bad thing. It's rather positive in my opinion.
I'm going to have to disagree yes a euro-superstate is not going to work in practice but I do believe after a hard brexit, most EU countries will be deterred from leaving and it will only cause the EU to "gang up" on the UK and effectively, weaken the country as a whole. Depending on the latest european countries elections we could see the UK becoming horribly insignificant as its trade deals, and EU subsidies abruptly stop.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Duuring on November 21, 2016, 12:19:52 am
I thought he was going to 'drain the swamp' ?

I feel bad for the poorer regions of the United Kingdom who thrived on European subsidies. I doubt the Conservatives are going to make up the difference.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Norwegian13 on November 21, 2016, 12:21:34 am
Spoiler
Spoiler
Le Pen is nothing but a homophobic collarborator-in-waiting funded by Putin.

Before we have the French and German elections, there will be parliamentary elections in my country on March the 15th, which will probably be seen as an indicator for the outcome of the German and French elections. Polls show a very splintered result. A three-party centre-right coalition or a four to five-party centre-left coalition are the most likely outcomes. Nobody has much faith in Dutch Trump Wilders.

I don't see what Le Pens stance on gay marriage has to do with this. I think Brexit and the election of President Elect Donald J Trump are a watershed moment for the world; this is why I believe the elections in France and Germany will lead to the end of the broken and the corrupt European Union.  Reflected in the words of Donald Trump  "The nation-state remains the true foundation for happiness and harmony." the dangerous dream of a United States of Europe is coming to and end.
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Coming to an end, yes. But a better end? Now we just have a bunch of rag-tag states, with in my opinion silly leaders (Trump) with exactly zero political knowledge or experience, and they will most likely just ruin everything, long serving, dedicated representatives have attempted to build for years such as the EU which really only had a lot of good going for it. Brexit has just triggered all the salty Europeans to give the UK a hard Brexit which will in turn cause significant economic damage, and will in no way help anybody in the UK. For years people complain about, corrupt, unrepresentative politicians and they think voting in complete baboons is any better? Absolutely baffling in my opinion. :(
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Well, "unexperienced" leaders mean that they will give the politics a new point of view, meaning that it's not necessarily a bad thing. The idea of a European superstate is good in theory, but it would never work in practice, such as the great theory of Communism. There are just far too many differences between European nations to make one superstate work. And to be honest, I don't think the European Union will survive much longer. The rise of Euroscepticism throughout Europe will probably result in many more states leaving the union, and I don't think that it's a bad thing. It's rather positive in my opinion.
I'm going to have to disagree yes a euro-superstate is not going to work in practice but I do believe after a hard brexit, most EU countries will be deterred from leaving and it will only cause the EU to "gang up" on the UK and effectively, weaken the country as a whole. Depending on the latest european countries elections we could see the UK becoming horribly insignificant as its trade deals, and EU subsidies abruptly stop.

You have Le Pen in France working to get them out of the EU, you have the Bulgarian guy who just got elected (whom I don't remember the name of) who is anti-EU and who wishes to have a closer relationship with Russia instead of the EU. I'm sure the UK will work out a trade deal with the European Union, but at this moment it's just speculations. If I remember correctly, May said that she planned on triggering the article next spring. We'll see how it goes. I'm looking at it positively and I believe that it'll go well for the UK.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Golden. on November 21, 2016, 12:25:49 am
Spoiler
Spoiler
Spoiler
Le Pen is nothing but a homophobic collarborator-in-waiting funded by Putin.

Before we have the French and German elections, there will be parliamentary elections in my country on March the 15th, which will probably be seen as an indicator for the outcome of the German and French elections. Polls show a very splintered result. A three-party centre-right coalition or a four to five-party centre-left coalition are the most likely outcomes. Nobody has much faith in Dutch Trump Wilders.

I don't see what Le Pens stance on gay marriage has to do with this. I think Brexit and the election of President Elect Donald J Trump are a watershed moment for the world; this is why I believe the elections in France and Germany will lead to the end of the broken and the corrupt European Union.  Reflected in the words of Donald Trump  "The nation-state remains the true foundation for happiness and harmony." the dangerous dream of a United States of Europe is coming to and end.
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Coming to an end, yes. But a better end? Now we just have a bunch of rag-tag states, with in my opinion silly leaders (Trump) with exactly zero political knowledge or experience, and they will most likely just ruin everything, long serving, dedicated representatives have attempted to build for years such as the EU which really only had a lot of good going for it. Brexit has just triggered all the salty Europeans to give the UK a hard Brexit which will in turn cause significant economic damage, and will in no way help anybody in the UK. For years people complain about, corrupt, unrepresentative politicians and they think voting in complete baboons is any better? Absolutely baffling in my opinion. :(
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Well, "unexperienced" leaders mean that they will give the politics a new point of view, meaning that it's not necessarily a bad thing. The idea of a European superstate is good in theory, but it would never work in practice, such as the great theory of Communism. There are just far too many differences between European nations to make one superstate work. And to be honest, I don't think the European Union will survive much longer. The rise of Euroscepticism throughout Europe will probably result in many more states leaving the union, and I don't think that it's a bad thing. It's rather positive in my opinion.
I'm going to have to disagree yes a euro-superstate is not going to work in practice but I do believe after a hard brexit, most EU countries will be deterred from leaving and it will only cause the EU to "gang up" on the UK and effectively, weaken the country as a whole. Depending on the latest european countries elections we could see the UK becoming horribly insignificant as its trade deals, and EU subsidies abruptly stop.

You have Le Pen in France working to get them out of the EU, you have the Bulgarian guy who just got elected (whom I don't remember the name of) who is anti-EU and who wishes to have a closer relationship with Russia instead of the EU. I'm sure the UK will work out a trade deal with the European Union, but at this moment it's just speculations. If I remember correctly, May said that she planned on triggering the article next spring. We'll see how it goes. I'm looking at it positively and I believe that it'll go well for the UK.
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There's a hell of a lot at stake...
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Duuring on November 21, 2016, 12:28:52 am
Oh, he might want a closer relationship with Russia, but he's not stupid. As eurosceptic as the Poles, Bulgarians or Slovaks may be, nobody actually wants to leave. The most eurosceptic party of Poland has been in power for well over a year, and nobody is saying Poland will leave the EU. Same goes for Hungary - Eurosceptics have been in power since years, yet they have no plans to move.

National pride and hathred towards refugees are one thing, but it's somehow hard to convince people they should agree to less money, less access to other countries and less opportunity to work.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: StevenChilton on November 21, 2016, 12:44:29 am
I thought he was going to 'drain the swamp' ?

I feel bad for the poorer regions of the United Kingdom who thrived on European subsidies. I doubt the Conservatives are going to make up the difference.

Nice try, but EU regional funds are worth £700 million a year to the UK on average...that's peanuts considering the UK's annual budget is some £760 billion, and because it's so tiny the Conservatives have already said they'd match it.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: DaMonkey on November 21, 2016, 01:39:47 am
Because of your post Duuring, I learned that "Traditional" English spells it "Sceptic/Sceptical" whereas North American English spells it "Skeptic/Skeptical." I'm glad I looked that up before saying something about it, else I'd have looked like an ass.

Anyways on topic, I'm not too sure I'm sold on the EU being a requirement for poor parts of the UK to receive financial aid- it's not rocket science to do it at the National level. I'm also sure British taxpayers would much prefer their money be going to [Insert British equivalent of Detroit] than to somewhere in another country.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: UniversitasMetal on November 21, 2016, 04:53:24 am
Turkey now has 2+ million(actual number is closer to 4 million) Syrian refugees. Why is US so reluctant to accept a small fraction of that given that its as large as entire fucking Europe.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: junedragon on November 21, 2016, 05:50:06 am
Turkey now has 2+ million(actual number is closer to 4 million) Syrian refugees. Why is US so reluctant to accept a small fraction of that given that its as large as entire fucking Europe.

Maybe its because Turkey is wheeling toward being an islamic theocracy again? Or because a huge portion of those that have flooded into europe are economic migrants masquerading as refugees and/or not even from Syria? Or because it would be incredibly simple to sneak through even the tightest screening procedures coming from a failed state with no verifiable documents (and ISIS has already claimed they are doing so - and it is confirmed they have done so already in attacks)? Or because even logistically speaking it is no small endeavour to move tens of thousands of people halfway around the world then disperse and resettle them (whereas turkey is walkable/drivable from much of syria)?
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: MaxLam on November 21, 2016, 05:58:16 am
With Fillon's victory, fascist Le Pen's chances have dramatically increased.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: BabyJesus on November 21, 2016, 06:23:33 am
#ImWithHer
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: MaxLam on November 21, 2016, 07:20:29 am
I know.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: junedragon on November 21, 2016, 08:23:11 am
With Fillon's victory, fascist Le Pen's chances have dramatically increased.

Good. Frexit will be the death blow.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on November 21, 2016, 10:23:12 am
Do these look like small hands?
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Not sure how these elections are gonna go, but I am ready for Duuring to go 0 for 3
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Olafson on November 21, 2016, 10:25:51 am
I think Fillon is going to win the second round of the primary-he got over 40% in the first round and Sarkozy has endorsed him, so I can't see Juppe in with much of a chance. Le Pen will probably win the first round of the general, so I think the main thing here is a) by how much she wins, and b) who comes second.

It's also incredible that Merkel is standing for a fourth term as Chancellor, mainly because her own MPs are saying there's nobody else within the party who has the standing to take over. Likewise she has no serious rival in the opposition parties either. Really quite bizarre that a woman who's been in office since 2005 has no opponent in a nation of 80 million people-either she's the luckiest politician alive or at the very least she's purged/sidelined potential challengers within her own party (in that sense putting a 74 year old, wheelchair-bound cripple in as finance minister was a smart move).

I see no reason to switch from Merkel anyway. I think she has been doing very well, and if she wants to continue working as Chancellor I am more than happy to see her elected again. Sure I do not agree with all she is doing, but overall she is doing a pretty good job. Equally, I think the "74 year old, wheelchair-bound cripple" did a very good job. I do not agree with the choices they have made for the all of the ministers (I do not like the defence minster at all) but its fine.

Turkey now has 2+ million(actual number is closer to 4 million) Syrian refugees. Why is US so reluctant to accept a small fraction of that given that its as large as entire fucking Europe.

Maybe its because Turkey is wheeling toward being an islamic theocracy again? Or because a huge portion of those that have flooded into europe are economic migrants masquerading as refugees and/or not even from Syria? Or because it would be incredibly simple to sneak through even the tightest screening procedures coming from a failed state with no verifiable documents (and ISIS has already claimed they are doing so - and it is confirmed they have done so already in attacks)? Or because even logistically speaking it is no small endeavour to move tens of thousands of people halfway around the world then disperse and resettle them (whereas turkey is walkable/drivable from much of syria)?

If a country is allowing economic migrants to stay, it is its own fault. Obviously there are economic migrants. There have always been and always will be. But it does not mean that you have to keep them. For example, in Germany you are not allowed to stay if you are an economic migrant. You are send back.

Also, a huge portion of Syrian refugees are economic migrants? How so? As far as I know there is a war going on in Syria.  Additionally, you do not have to be from Syria to apply for asylum... There are enough countries in this world that have problems with political persecution, religious persecution etc.

I thought he was going to 'drain the swamp' ?

I feel bad for the poorer regions of the United Kingdom who thrived on European subsidies. I doubt the Conservatives are going to make up the difference.

Nice try, but EU regional funds are worth £700 million a year to the UK on average...that's peanuts considering the UK's annual budget is some £760 billion, and because it's so tiny the Conservatives have already said they'd match it.

Its actually worth £732 million a year. (That is less developed regions only. The UK also receives money for more developed regions which would bring it to a 1.78 Billion a year) Also, who says that the Uk government is actually going to give that money to the regions, in the same proportions? For all we know, exiting the EU quickly would mean that they would have to quickly change their whole budget plan and try to match the EU funding. There are 4 possible outcomes.
1.) The UK manages to match the funding in time.
2.) The UK manages to match the funding, but it needs more time, meaning that the regions are going to be without funding for as long as the UK needs to change their budget.
3.) The UK spends the money on something else and the regions are screwed.
4.) The UK spends less/more money on the regions.

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Le Pen is nothing but a homophobic collarborator-in-waiting funded by Putin.

Before we have the French and German elections, there will be parliamentary elections in my country on March the 15th, which will probably be seen as an indicator for the outcome of the German and French elections. Polls show a very splintered result. A three-party centre-right coalition or a four to five-party centre-left coalition are the most likely outcomes. Nobody has much faith in Dutch Trump Wilders.

I don't see what Le Pens stance on gay marriage has to do with this. I think Brexit and the election of President Elect Donald J Trump are a watershed moment for the world; this is why I believe the elections in France and Germany will lead to the end of the broken and the corrupt European Union.  Reflected in the words of Donald Trump  "The nation-state remains the true foundation for happiness and harmony." the dangerous dream of a United States of Europe is coming to and end.
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Coming to an end, yes. But a better end? Now we just have a bunch of rag-tag states, with in my opinion silly leaders (Trump) with exactly zero political knowledge or experience, and they will most likely just ruin everything, long serving, dedicated representatives have attempted to build for years such as the EU which really only had a lot of good going for it. Brexit has just triggered all the salty Europeans to give the UK a hard Brexit which will in turn cause significant economic damage, and will in no way help anybody in the UK. For years people complain about, corrupt, unrepresentative politicians and they think voting in complete baboons is any better? Absolutely baffling in my opinion. :(

Well, "unexperienced" leaders mean that they will give the politics a new point of view, meaning that it's not necessarily a bad thing. The idea of a European superstate is good in theory, but it would never work in practice, such as the great theory of Communism. There are just far too many differences between European nations to make one superstate work. And to be honest, I don't think the European Union will survive much longer. The rise of Euroscepticism throughout Europe will probably result in many more states leaving the union, and I don't think that it's a bad thing. It's rather positive in my opinion.

I see no reason for a gazillion of different countries, with different laws, currency etc. It just complicates things without the need to do so. Culture is not a problem, because who says that you can not have different culture in different regions? The laws can still apply to both regions. It is not like the tax laws in Sweden have to be different than the tax laws in Spain.

Another thing the EU does is to get the "differences between European nations" smaller. It is there to close the gap.
The point of the EU, as far as I always understood it, is to communicate and help each other on the short term and on the long term to create a more unified EU. It takes time, but this is what it is doing. It is boosting the poorer regions of the EU to come up to match the other regions. Basically it is trying to get all countries within the EU to the same level. Ofc. that means that more wealthy countries have to spend more money on less wealthy countries. But in the end everyone is going to profit from it. Equally, EU laws are slowly unifying the countries (get the same moral standards), so that the laws of all the member states will start to match more and more.
It is a long process, but I see no reason for an "EU Superstate" to fail. It is something I support.

With Fillon's victory, fascist Le Pen's chances have dramatically increased.

Good. Frexit will be the death blow.

France has absolutely nothing to gain from leaving the EU.

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Le Pen is nothing but a homophobic collarborator-in-waiting funded by Putin.

Before we have the French and German elections, there will be parliamentary elections in my country on March the 15th, which will probably be seen as an indicator for the outcome of the German and French elections. Polls show a very splintered result. A three-party centre-right coalition or a four to five-party centre-left coalition are the most likely outcomes. Nobody has much faith in Dutch Trump Wilders.

I don't see what Le Pens stance on gay marriage has to do with this. I think Brexit and the election of President Elect Donald J Trump are a watershed moment for the world; this is why I believe the elections in France and Germany will lead to the end of the broken and the corrupt European Union.  Reflected in the words of Donald Trump  "The nation-state remains the true foundation for happiness and harmony." the dangerous dream of a United States of Europe is coming to and end.
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Coming to an end, yes. But a better end? Now we just have a bunch of rag-tag states, with in my opinion silly leaders (Trump) with exactly zero political knowledge or experience, and they will most likely just ruin everything, long serving, dedicated representatives have attempted to build for years such as the EU which really only had a lot of good going for it. Brexit has just triggered all the salty Europeans to give the UK a hard Brexit which will in turn cause significant economic damage, and will in no way help anybody in the UK. For years people complain about, corrupt, unrepresentative politicians and they think voting in complete baboons is any better? Absolutely baffling in my opinion. :(
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Well, "unexperienced" leaders mean that they will give the politics a new point of view, meaning that it's not necessarily a bad thing. The idea of a European superstate is good in theory, but it would never work in practice, such as the great theory of Communism. There are just far too many differences between European nations to make one superstate work. And to be honest, I don't think the European Union will survive much longer. The rise of Euroscepticism throughout Europe will probably result in many more states leaving the union, and I don't think that it's a bad thing. It's rather positive in my opinion.
I'm going to have to disagree yes a euro-superstate is not going to work in practice but I do believe after a hard brexit, most EU countries will be deterred from leaving and it will only cause the EU to "gang up" on the UK and effectively, weaken the country as a whole. Depending on the latest european countries elections we could see the UK becoming horribly insignificant as its trade deals, and EU subsidies abruptly stop.

You have Le Pen in France working to get them out of the EU, you have the Bulgarian guy who just got elected (whom I don't remember the name of) who is anti-EU and who wishes to have a closer relationship with Russia instead of the EU. I'm sure the UK will work out a trade deal with the European Union, but at this moment it's just speculations. If I remember correctly, May said that she planned on triggering the article next spring. We'll see how it goes. I'm looking at it positively and I believe that it'll go well for the UK.

A trade deal would not make sense. The UK is exporting less and less into the EU, (I think it fell to 42-44% of all exports (UK) earlier this year.) while imports from the EU stayed stable at 54% of all imports (UK). Therefore the UK is more reliant on the EU than the other way around.
A large portion of exports from the UK is also in the field of services. If the UK were to leave the EU, it would probably make more sense for the companies offering these services to relocate.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: StevenChilton on November 21, 2016, 01:26:49 pm
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If a country is allowing economic migrants to stay, it is its own fault. Obviously there are economic migrants. There have always been and always will be. But it does not mean that you have to keep them. For example, in Germany you are not allowed to stay if you are an economic migrant. You are send back.

Also, a huge portion of Syrian refugees are economic migrants? How so? As far as I know there is a war going on in Syria.  Additionally, you do not have to be from Syria to apply for asylum... There are enough countries in this world that have problems with political persecution, religious persecution etc.

How many economic migrants has Germany deported? Come on, the system is crap and overloaded-I still remember that time a Chinese tourist got mixed up in the bureaucracy and ended up living in a refugee centre for two weeks receiving handouts http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-tourist-idUSKCN10J206

Every Syrian migrant in Germany is an economic migrant under international law. The minute a refugee leaves the first safe country they reach then they no longer have refugee status.

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Its actually worth £732 million a year. (That is less developed regions only. The UK also receives money for more developed regions which would bring it to a 1.78 Billion a year) Also, who says that the Uk government is actually going to give that money to the regions, in the same proportions? For all we know, exiting the EU quickly would mean that they would have to quickly change their whole budget plan and try to match the EU funding

It changes every year, often quite significantly, but whatever. The UK budget for 2016 was around £760 billion-considering we're a net contributor to the EU budget anyway I don't think matching the funding commitments is a big deal. We're still talking peanut money here and Westminster already spends tens of billions in the poorer regions.

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Culture is not a problem, because who says that you can not have different culture in different regions?

We tried that in Canada with Quebec, and it barely works. I also note it's not functioning so well in Belgium and Spain.

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The laws can still apply to both regions. It is not like the tax laws in Sweden have to be different than the tax laws in Spain.

But the Spanish economy is fundamentally different to that of Sweden, so the tax laws have to be different. If the Spanish economy goes into recession but the Swedish one does not, then obviously fiscal policy has to change in Spain to take account of that. What you're proposing is yet another economic straightjacket, just like the Euro, which will do a lot of harm.

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A trade deal would not make sense. The UK is exporting less and less into the EU, (I think it fell to 42-44% of all exports (UK) earlier this year.) while imports from the EU stayed stable at 54% of all imports (UK). Therefore the UK is more reliant on the EU than the other way around.

Actually it's the other way round...we don't have to buy your stuff. It's usually businesses that are beholden to the customer rather than vice versa. There's a reason the German car industry refers to the UK as 'treasure island'. Obviously what should, and probably will, happen is that the UK will stay in the Single Market via EFTA.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Olafson on November 21, 2016, 04:47:41 pm
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Actually it's the other way round...we don't have to buy your stuff. It's usually businesses that are beholden to the customer rather than vice versa. There's a reason the German car industry refers to the UK as 'treasure island'. Obviously what should, and probably will, happen is that the UK will stay in the Single Market via EFTA.
Yeah, but the exports to the UK only make about 6-8% (Varying data) of exports from the EU. (Not including britain)
Without a trade deal, I think the UK would loose more than the EU. It probably is going to end with one though, the UK is very close, part of NATO, had good relationship with the EU for many years, etc.
I guess you can argue about this one forever, trade obviously needs both sides, and both sides profit from it.

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It changes every year, often quite significantly, but whatever. The UK budget for 2016 was around £760 billion-considering we're a net contributor to the EU budget anyway I don't think matching the funding commitments is a big deal. We're still talking peanut money here and Westminster already spends tens of billions in the poorer regions.

Yeah, as I said, I don't know if they will, but they very well might.

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But the Spanish economy is fundamentally different to that of Sweden, so the tax laws have to be different. If the Spanish economy goes into recession but the Swedish one does not, then obviously fiscal policy has to change in Spain to take account of that. What you're proposing is yet another economic straightjacket, just like the Euro, which will do a lot of harm.

Yeah sorry, I should have made clear that I do not want to see it changed NOW. What I meant is, that IF it ever comes to the point that the countries are so close together that they decide to get into a closer relationship, that it would also require the same laws. And if that were the case, if part of the economy in Spain would fail, the newly founded "Swain" (Wow super nice pun country name) could adjust for it easily.
Enforcing various laws on different countries, without the ability to change them or adjust them is never a good idea. But if the whole of the EU acts like one big country, that problem no longer exists.
It might not even be necessary to do such a thing, because theoretically the country would be large enough to handle a regional crisis by simply redistributing some of the wealth. I.e. additional funding in the areas that have a failed/failing economy etc.

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How many economic migrants has Germany deported? Come on, the system is crap and overloaded-I still remember that time a Chinese tourist got mixed up in the bureaucracy and ended up living in a refugee centre for two weeks receiving handouts http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-tourist-idUSKCN10J206

Every Syrian migrant in Germany is an economic migrant under international law. The minute a refugee leaves the first safe country they reach then they no longer have refugee status.

Yes, the system is overloaded. There are various other reasons though too, but I guess (No idea if true) that the bulk of it is due to an overloaded system. However that does not mean that you should not let anyone in...
Sorry, I am German, but for me there is no question, you help refugees.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: StevenChilton on November 21, 2016, 06:11:34 pm
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Actually it's the other way round...we don't have to buy your stuff. It's usually businesses that are beholden to the customer rather than vice versa. There's a reason the German car industry refers to the UK as 'treasure island'. Obviously what should, and probably will, happen is that the UK will stay in the Single Market via EFTA.
Yeah, but the exports to the UK only make about 6-8% (Varying data) of exports from the EU. (Not including britain)
Without a trade deal, I think the UK would loose more than the EU. It probably is going to end with one though, the UK is very close, part of NATO, had good relationship with the EU for many years, etc.
I guess you can argue about this one forever, trade obviously needs both sides, and both sides profit from it.

Doesn't matter about UK destined exports as a % of total EU trade, it's meaningless in this context. As Charles de Gaulle made clear 'Europe is France and Germany, the rest are just trimmings'. The UK is Germany's third biggest export market, and France's fourth biggest (going by 2015 figures). Both have a very large trade surplus with the UK. Do you think France and Germany would sacrifice their interests for Europe as a whole? That'd be a first. The history of the EU has been one of Franco-German greed at everybody else's expense.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: DanielG453 on November 21, 2016, 06:41:06 pm


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Doesn't matter about UK destined exports as a % of total EU trade, it's meaningless in this context. As Charles de Gaulle made clear 'Europe is France and Germany, the rest are just trimmings'. The UK is Germany's third biggest export market, and France's fourth biggest (going by 2015 figures). Both have a very large trade surplus with the UK. Do you think France and Germany would sacrifice their interests for Europe as a whole? That'd be a first. The history of the EU has been one of Franco-German greed at everybody else's expense.

Yes, the European project is one of Franco-German greed, it has done nothing but damage other member states competitiveness on an international level by limiting trade and cooperation. Not to mention the dreadful Schengen policy that allows terrorists to travel freely and commit atrocities like the Paris attacks. Unfortunately, it just keeps getting worse with the truly absurd common fisheries policy that has destroyed the livelihoods of many British trawler Captains. Thank God we British are leaving the sinking ship that is the EU.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on November 22, 2016, 12:19:44 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0i90-arfyE
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: UniversitasMetal on November 22, 2016, 06:47:26 pm
 Make Donald Drumpf again!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o6-bi3jlxk&spfreload=10
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Norwegian13 on November 22, 2016, 07:52:42 pm
Added a poll about the French conservative elections
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on November 22, 2016, 09:47:00 pm
I think its pretty clear Fillon wins this.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Norwegian13 on November 24, 2016, 09:08:44 pm
Well Juncker just made a fool of himself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPgiI46FCDU
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: BabyJesus on November 24, 2016, 11:48:07 pm
http://710wor.iheart.com/onair/mark-simone-52176/60-minutes-goes-to-sweden-to-14515160/#ixzz4Qk1BKYtA (http://710wor.iheart.com/onair/mark-simone-52176/60-minutes-goes-to-sweden-to-14515160/#ixzz4Qk1BKYtA)
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Furrnox on November 26, 2016, 12:40:15 am
Well Juncker just made a fool of himself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPgiI46FCDU

Just? That was over a year ago.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Duuring on November 26, 2016, 12:42:32 am
Juncker is the most socially skilled unsocial person ever.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: StevenChilton on November 26, 2016, 01:16:01 am
Actually I think he's just drunk
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: StevenChilton on November 27, 2016, 08:12:03 pm
Fillon, according to exit polls, is on around 60% in the second round of the French Republican primary. Him vs Le Pen will be interesting-Fillon has promised a massive austerity programme, eliminating half a million public sector jobs, scrapping 35-hour working week, etc. How many French socialists will want to vote for that? Le Pen on the other hand is firmly to the left when it comes to economic issues.

Fillon winning is good news for her and possibly also Emmanuel Macron.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Duuring on November 28, 2016, 01:54:42 am
Fillon, according to exit polls, is on around 60% in the second round of the French Republican primary. Him vs Le Pen will be interesting-Fillon has promised a massive austerity programme, eliminating half a million public sector jobs, scrapping 35-hour working week, etc. How many French socialists will want to vote for that? Le Pen on the other hand is firmly to the left when it comes to economic issues.

Fillon winning is good news for her and possibly also Emmanuel Macron.

Agreed. Though polls show Fillon at a distinct advance, I won't be surprised if we see another 'I dunno, better vote populist, what's the worse that can happen?'.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Karth on November 28, 2016, 02:58:27 pm
Turkey now has 2+ million(actual number is closer to 4 million) Syrian refugees. Why is US so reluctant to accept a small fraction of that given that its as large as entire fucking Europe.

We have higher security clearance protocols that we give to refugees than other countries.  And we already take in a ton of other refugees from other countries such as Myanmar, Bhutan, Africa, etc..
Not to mention until they change how where we place refugees, and provide them with actual care I am against taking in ANY refugees.  Its absurd how mistreated the refugees we do have are taken care of.  I personally have seen the Bhutanese refugees (who escaped persecution in their own country), be put in the ghettos of Philly, given one year of rent and some allowance and thats it.  No education, no guides, no nothing- volunteers were their only source of motivation, otherwise they would literally get involved in the drug trade and suicide rates spiked drastically after two years of them there. 

So yea, unless the refugees we take in are given proper attention, there is no point in them coming here (I mean this sincerely, as I witnessed this firsthand (apart of an assignment), and the refugees I interacted to wanted to go back to their internment camps back home).  And we have enough homeless and underprivileged individuals as it is than any other country to deal with. 

In regards to the French election, my money is on Fillon winning, and I could see the right wing take over/ seems to be a trend nowadays unfortunately.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: StevenChilton on November 28, 2016, 04:37:43 pm
I think Le Pen's chances have certainly improved-her main threat was Juppe and he's lost the nomination, so she'll face either Hollande or more likely Fillon in the final round (it's generally considered that Macron is placing himself to run next time and this isn't a wholly serious bid). Hollande has said he'll run again which is brave, and I doubt anyone serious will challenge him for the nomination since this will be a very difficult election for the French left and nobody wants to wreck their career by getting humiliated. Manuel Valls and others are probably going to sit it out and wait till next time.

Neither Hollande or Fillon are well placed to rally a broad coalition against Le Pen which is what they have to do to win. Few leftists will actively vote for Fillon even to stop FN, and it's the same thing reversed for Hollande. Most will probably just stay at home, although I could see Fillon's core support plumping for Le Pen if Hollande somehow ends up as her run-off opponent.

Basically I think she'll win narrowly against Hollande, but lose narrowly against Fillon. Whatever happens France is in for a lot of disruption whichever of those three wins.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Nipplestockings on November 28, 2016, 11:56:18 pm
bump. also right wingers are globalists too you sheepies.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Theodin on November 29, 2016, 02:50:43 am
bump. also right wingers are globalists too you sheepies.
Depends on which right wing you're talking about. I'm more of a traditional Conservative on economics and foreign policy, which makes me more globalist than my Trump supporter friends. But obviously less then the IR liberals on the left.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: StevenChilton on November 29, 2016, 02:55:51 am
Pretty sure the best combination is to be economically liberal and socially conservative.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Theodin on November 29, 2016, 03:14:13 am
Pretty sure the best combination is to be economically liberal and socially conservative.
l0l
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Duuring on December 01, 2016, 07:38:14 pm
internal party democracy is a great thing
(https://i.imgur.com/NSQHiNr.png)
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Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: StevenChilton on December 01, 2016, 08:04:56 pm
internal party democracy is a great thing
(https://i.imgur.com/NSQHiNr.png)
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Ayyy lmao this is an English language thread go post that shit in the Arabic sub-forum or whatever.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Furrnox on December 01, 2016, 08:09:47 pm
Pretty sure the best combination is to be economically liberal and socially conservative.

Basically Republicans.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Duuring on December 01, 2016, 08:25:27 pm
internal party democracy is a great thing
(https://i.imgur.com/NSQHiNr.png)
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Ayyy lmao this is an English language thread go post that shit in the Arabic sub-forum or whatever.

The Dutch language is glorious and superior. All must sing its praise.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Nipplestockings on December 01, 2016, 08:31:19 pm
duuring I hope you're not still an EU shill because I learned today that many of the founding members of the EU were nazi party members and american globalist bankers, etc. so you're just a complete tard pretty much falling for a trap that will lead us all to our deaths along with all life on earth.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Olafson on December 01, 2016, 08:33:27 pm
Seig Hiel?
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Theodin on December 01, 2016, 10:01:58 pm
internal party democracy is a great thing
(https://i.imgur.com/NSQHiNr.png)
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Ayyy lmao this is an English language thread go post that shit in the Arabic sub-forum or whatever.
This
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Norwegian13 on December 01, 2016, 10:44:18 pm
Seig Hiel?
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: StevenChilton on December 01, 2016, 11:09:02 pm
Lel, Francois Hollande has decided not to run, making him the first French President of modern times not to seek re-election. He'll go down as one of the worst leaders in French history, probably slightly above Petain in the rankings.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Rutger Müller on December 03, 2016, 09:32:24 am
I think I made the Alt-right implode.
yeah bro, definitely all religious
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on December 03, 2016, 09:56:06 am
I think I made the Alt-right implode.

?

What?
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Peppers on December 03, 2016, 11:43:23 am
I'm full of myself and love to double post like a tool bag.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on December 03, 2016, 12:41:58 pm
I'm legit totally lost.

How is Hitler getting a hard on for Islam making the alt right implode?

Doesn't that kinda help the whole anti-Islam case?
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Theodin on December 03, 2016, 03:49:00 pm
I would also argue the alt-right as a whole is basically secular, so.. Not sure what's going on
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on December 04, 2016, 01:35:06 am
I've been baited
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Edwin on December 04, 2016, 05:16:44 am
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/739275/Dutch-watchdog-OK-send-gay-people-death-threats-Muslim

best country in the world, right Duuring?
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Theodin on December 04, 2016, 05:27:48 am
I still don't understand
But you got muted
And you're kinda making no sense anyways
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Duuring on December 04, 2016, 12:22:51 pm
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/739275/Dutch-watchdog-OK-send-gay-people-death-threats-Muslim

best country in the world, right Duuring?

Their has been a huge reaction and some parties even call for the organisation to lose its public funding. It's a very small, barely known organisation anyway.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: StevenChilton on December 04, 2016, 01:14:59 pm
I'm predicting Hofer will win tonight and the Italians will vote 'No' in their referendum.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Duuring on December 04, 2016, 04:31:44 pm
An Italian No is very likely, but the Austrian Election can really go both ways.

Also, Italy will have a quite fucked up parliament once the changes get refused.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: StevenChilton on December 04, 2016, 06:06:06 pm
Well, looks like Hofer lost. Can't say I'm disappointed about that he was a bit nuts. That's a sideshow however compared to the Italian referendum and it's looking bad for Renzi based on turnout thus far but it's still early.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Duuring on December 04, 2016, 06:46:57 pm
'Trumpeffect' apparantly means anti-populists getting 3% votes more.  ::)
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: StevenChilton on December 04, 2016, 11:16:16 pm
Well, Renzi's lost big according to exit polls. If they're right (they don't have a good record in Italy apparently) then question is if he resigns or not as promised. Press conference any minute regarding his future-I think he'll probably step down given the turnout was high (69%) and he lost badly.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Duuring on December 04, 2016, 11:20:46 pm
Honestly I don't see why he should. Italy will not benefit from another period of political uncertainty and it won't result in snap elections. Renzi shouldn't have made that pledge.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: StevenChilton on December 04, 2016, 11:59:03 pm
Well, given he's staked everything on this referendum (quite stupidly, because he then made it all about him rather than the question on the ballot) his authority is in tatters. He could have survived a narrow defeat but early indications point to something close to 60-40. Maybe he'll stay on for 6 months as interim PM then leave the stage, maybe he'll even call an election I dunno. But I'm not quite sure he can brush this under the carpet when he was very clear he'd resign if he lost. If he's clever he'd make clear he accepts the result, call a no confidence motion and hope to win it (which he probably could).

I think it depends how the night goes as far as the markets are concerned and what happens to Italian bond yields, share price of major Italian banks, etc. If the whole thing starts crashing down then he'll have to stay to steady the ship-resigning might make things even worse. I think the former looks more credible at this stage given he's delayed his press conference that was scheduled for an hour ago...
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Duuring on December 05, 2016, 12:01:26 am
Renzi can't call early election. Only the president can. If he resigns, it's very likely the current coalition will remain in place under a new prime minister.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on December 05, 2016, 12:18:14 am
I just discovered this awesome thing

https://www.reddit.com/r/StormfrontorSJW/
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: StevenChilton on December 05, 2016, 12:39:47 am
Renzi can't call early election. Only the president can. If he resigns, it's very likely the current coalition will remain in place under a new prime minister.

Of course, but the President will take advice on what to do and Mattarella is formerly of Renzi's party. Unlikely he'd get in the way if that's what Renzi decided upon, but that's a moot point given he's just resigned.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Duuring on December 05, 2016, 12:58:08 am
Sad days.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Ambiguous on December 05, 2016, 07:33:38 am
Sad days.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Janne on December 05, 2016, 08:10:15 am
i'll just sub to this thread ok
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Ambiguous on December 05, 2016, 08:52:55 am
i'll just sub to this thread ok
no go away cuck
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on December 05, 2016, 06:22:36 pm
Going to be taking my International Studies final in roughly 2 and a half hours.

He actually gave the final to us last week:

https://docs.google.com/a/georgiasouthern.edu/document/d/1brC87R8aMDE4ns69nW3rAi62Ky46lRJ1YNZLvDkWBiU/edit?usp=sharing

Any thoughts?
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: BabyJesus on December 05, 2016, 06:30:15 pm
Going to be taking my International Studies final in roughly 2 and a half hours.

He actually gave the final to us last week:

https://docs.google.com/a/georgiasouthern.edu/document/d/1brC87R8aMDE4ns69nW3rAi62Ky46lRJ1YNZLvDkWBiU/edit?usp=sharing

Any thoughts?
the link asks for a login which I'm sure you don't want to give ;)
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on December 05, 2016, 06:32:24 pm
rip guess it wanted you to login to the university website

Ill just copy paste the prompt:

Congratulations, the Secretary-General of the United Nations, Ban Ki Moon, has just asked you to address the General Assembly.  He heard that you had been paying attention to international studies particularly close the past few months and had an exceptionally good understanding of the subject.  He would like for you to tell the assembled delegations what you consider to be the most important issue that is confronted today by the international community.  Your presentation, in essay form, should indicate why you have chosen this issue and not others.  It should also provide a brief description of the issue and indicate how anything you have discussed/learned in INTS 2130 sheds light on this issue.  Indicate within your answer how you believe this issue will be dealt with over the next 5-10 years. Provide EVIDENCE in your response which supports your position.


Finally, while your detailed knowledge may well be limited, discuss the conflicts in either Iraq or Afghanistan or Syria.  What role, if any, do you see for the international community here?  Is Iraq an international problem?  Is Afghanistan an international problem?  Is Syria an international problem?  ISIS?  Or are they strictly problems for the United States and President Obama and zpresident-Elect Trump?  Why or Why not?  Indeed, given your understanding of international studies, what would you say, if given the opportunity?
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Theodin on December 05, 2016, 07:23:42 pm
That's your final exam? Wtf
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on December 05, 2016, 07:24:47 pm
Yeah it was a joke of a class tbh

We were quizzed over New York Times articles
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Reginald Schneider on December 05, 2016, 07:26:57 pm
Yeah it was a joke of a class tbh

We were quizzed over New York Times articles
This is why you should study a science lol
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on December 05, 2016, 07:30:48 pm
I am studying computer science.

This counted as a history credit though.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Reginald Schneider on December 05, 2016, 07:41:52 pm
I am studying computer science.

This counted as a history credit though.
Ohh, I forgot that people outside of the UK had to do modules not related to their degree. Fun.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on December 05, 2016, 07:47:03 pm
You mean in the UK you can actually study what interests you?

Damn entitled bastards
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: GeneralSquirts on December 05, 2016, 07:47:59 pm
I didn't know Thunderstormer studied computer science. damn son.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Theodin on December 05, 2016, 07:51:59 pm
I'm actually doing a degree in Pols lol
Someone fund me plz
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on December 05, 2016, 07:55:39 pm
I didn't know Thunderstormer studied computer science. damn son.

Yeah dude I love me some Computer Science

I'm actually doing a degree in Pols lol
Someone fund me plz

You poor meme.

Just after Trump once and for all proved that POLS is a useless degree. Swap to Sociology or something like that. Its like POLS but more relevant.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: StevenChilton on December 05, 2016, 08:34:38 pm
My answer:

Spoiler
Well, the biggest issue is probably the political backlash against globalisation in the western democracies. You've got a large proportion of the population, previously employed in primary and secondary industries like manufacturing/mining/logging/etc who've lost their jobs as a result of competition in low-wage economies overseas and have failed to find meaningful employment elsewhere. This is especially bad as in places like the Rust Belt/North of England where the local economies were particularly dependent on these industries and now they're gone the region has suffered an economic collapse and the misery is multi-generational. They've been alienated by conventional politics for some time given the major parties have mostly accepted the neoliberal mantra of free and open trade. At the same time, the process of globalisation has greatly increased the profit margins of major companies due to tariff reductions, decreased labour costs and so on, so the wealthy have benefited massively and inequality between rich and poor has ballooned.

The economies of the West have thus de-industrialised to being services based, and this has caused wealth to become evermore concentrated in the major cities where these service sector jobs naturally gravitate to. The process has again benefited the wealthy since jobs in the tertiary sector require degrees and expensive education, not as accessible to the poor. So you now have an urban population increasingly wealthier than their rural/small town counter-parts and from a particular class-cultural background. They do not share the concerns of the minimum-wage workers outside the big cities or in the rundown suburbs as for them mass immigration from Mexico/Eastern Europe means cheaper nannies, cheaper restaurant bills and so on rather than increased job competition. For them free trade means cheaper iPhones and cars rather than unemployment. They have the economic security to worry about things like trans-gender toilets or climate change. It is from these groups of urban dwellers that the political classes (and donors) are often drawn. All this has contributed to a very large economic and cultural divide between the big cities and everyone else.

Naturally the group that has lost out from globalisation is not motivated by conventional politics, and often hold it in contempt given the huge disconnect between them and traditional political elites who have been zealot advocates for neoliberalism. They're also very difficult to be accounted for in the polling owing to their disinterest in a political system which has failed them. There's a general feeling that their economic interests have been sacrificed in Washington and elsewhere owing to the capture of politics by urban interests. The situation is thus ripe for a populist, an 'anti-politician' untainted by conventional politics, to rile this group up and win power on the back of such sentiments; it is little wonder this has been exploited by radical politics on both the left and right. As to what happens in 5-10 years? No idea. If one populist fails them they could search for an even more radical alternative. Personally I think this is a taster of what's to come. Technological change and increasing automation will eliminate a lot of unskilled and low-skilled job in the near future and I can't see where the replacement jobs will come from. Human labour is becoming increasingly redundant, so where does that leave capitalism? The answer is probably some form of 'citizens income' where everyone will be paid by the government, but will those not yet replaced by machine workers find such a situation acceptable? No idea.





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Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on December 05, 2016, 08:37:27 pm
ty my man

just in time too

23 more minutes til final
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: BabyJesus on December 05, 2016, 08:56:31 pm
I'm currently studying gender studies but I think I might change
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on December 05, 2016, 08:57:34 pm
I'm currently studying gender studies but I think I might change

Dont

Protest against the patriarchy and get laid
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Ambiguous on December 05, 2016, 09:05:38 pm
I'm currently studying gender studies but I think I might change

Dont

Protest against the patriarchy and get laid
Masterplan
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on December 05, 2016, 10:20:07 pm
k done.

wrote a 3 and a half page paper about how

De-stablization of Middleast = Terrorist Attacks + Refugees = Rise of Nationalism

Movement of Industry from West = Wealth Disparity = Anti-Establishment movements = Polarized Politics

Wealth disparity increasing + Rise of Nationalism + Anti-Establishment Movements = Fall of Globalism = Rise of Far Right

= Modern World

Made sure to talk about all the European elections to sound knowledgeable and shit. RIP EU.

Also talked about RIP World Police USA. Trump guide us.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Theodin on December 06, 2016, 01:53:10 am
Quote from: Apoc
I'm actually doing a degree in Pols lol
Someone fund me plz

You poor meme.

Just after Trump once and for all proved that POLS is a useless degree. Swap to Sociology or something like that. Its like POLS but more relevant.
Soc is even more useless and its boring as fuck
Nah i'm probably going to do a medial POLS with phils, hist, ling or psyche
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on December 06, 2016, 02:13:38 am
Quote from: Apoc
I'm actually doing a degree in Pols lol
Someone fund me plz

You poor meme.

Just after Trump once and for all proved that POLS is a useless degree. Swap to Sociology or something like that. Its like POLS but more relevant.
Soc is even more useless and its boring as fuck
Nah i'm probably going to do a medial POLS with phils, hist, ling or psyche

tbh the only two meme majors you just missed are Gender Studies and Art History
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Nipplestockings on December 06, 2016, 02:31:01 am
>Fall of Globalism
Lol. They haven't even initiated the next step yet. NWO soon.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Theodin on December 06, 2016, 03:00:24 am
Quote from: Apoc
I'm actually doing a degree in Pols lol
Someone fund me plz

You poor meme.

Just after Trump once and for all proved that POLS is a useless degree. Swap to Sociology or something like that. Its like POLS but more relevant.
Soc is even more useless and its boring as fuck
Nah i'm probably going to do a medial POLS with phils, hist, ling or psyche

tbh the only two meme majors you just missed are Gender Studies and Art History
How about classics
or devs


I got an arts university lol
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on December 06, 2016, 03:31:41 am
>Fall of Globalism
Lol. They haven't even initiated the next step yet. NWO soon.

Yo Nipple what brand of tinfoil do you wear? been looking to get some myself
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Theodin on December 06, 2016, 03:42:35 am
>Fall of Globalism
Lol. They haven't even initiated the next step yet. NWO soon.

Yo Nipple what brand of tinfoil do you wear? been looking to get some myself
Also what shape is your hat
Like normal tinfoil hat? or did you make it into a ball cap or something
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Nipplestockings on December 06, 2016, 05:38:35 am
So you really think that Trump defeated globalism? A one world government has been a project centuries in the making, and we're already pretty much there and getting closer by the year. Just read the UN accords to see that it's not a secret or even controversial. All they need is the next big catastrophe and they can convince the public to accept the next step, which will probably be relatively soon at this rate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_government
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on December 06, 2016, 05:56:01 am
So like is it the Reptilians or the Rothschilds or the Repchilds or what?

Also hmu with that Tinfoil hat still fam, waiting.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Ambiguous on December 06, 2016, 07:24:47 am
So like is it the Reptilians or the Rothschilds or the Repchilds or what?

Also hmu with that Tinfoil hat still fam, waiting.
(https://werunandride.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/tinfoil-hat-guy.jpg)
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Phailur on December 06, 2016, 02:45:25 pm
Someone's changed their mind

http://uk.businessinsider.com/merkel-says-full-islamic-veil-should-be-banned-in-germany-2016-12?utm_content=bufferde31c&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer (http://uk.businessinsider.com/merkel-says-full-islamic-veil-should-be-banned-in-germany-2016-12?utm_content=bufferde31c&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer)
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Karth on December 06, 2016, 03:56:52 pm
Someone's changed their mind

http://uk.businessinsider.com/merkel-says-full-islamic-veil-should-be-banned-in-germany-2016-12?utm_content=bufferde31c&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer (http://uk.businessinsider.com/merkel-says-full-islamic-veil-should-be-banned-in-germany-2016-12?utm_content=bufferde31c&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer)
Makes sense as she is seeking re-election, would not be surprised if she changed that position IF she was reelected
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: William on December 06, 2016, 05:44:58 pm
I really do hope something is done to make this country give basic human rights to people like that to a fair trial.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/saudi-court-sentences-15-men-to-death-for-spying-for-iran-1481036902 (http://www.wsj.com/articles/saudi-court-sentences-15-men-to-death-for-spying-for-iran-1481036902)
https://www.rt.com/news/369353-saudi-arabia-execute-iran-espionage/ (https://www.rt.com/news/369353-saudi-arabia-execute-iran-espionage/)
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Ambiguous on December 06, 2016, 07:25:08 pm
I really do hope something is done to make this country give basic human rights to people like that to a fair trial.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/saudi-court-sentences-15-men-to-death-for-spying-for-iran-1481036902 (http://www.wsj.com/articles/saudi-court-sentences-15-men-to-death-for-spying-for-iran-1481036902)
https://www.rt.com/news/369353-saudi-arabia-execute-iran-espionage/ (https://www.rt.com/news/369353-saudi-arabia-execute-iran-espionage/)
There is nothing we can do. They have immunity from human rights violations because they have Oil.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Karth on December 06, 2016, 07:27:17 pm
Don't worry under Trump we will be occupying their country within the next few years
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Ambiguous on December 06, 2016, 07:55:55 pm
Don't worry under Trump we will be occupying their country within the next few years
Okay.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: StrandThe_Selmy on December 10, 2016, 07:01:07 am
Alot of edgy Germans and other Europeans here.

First of Nigel Farage is not a elected official in the UK, neither has he ever been elected. He sits in the European Parliament.(Like he has for the past 20yrs) So no idea why people here have accused him of "abandoning Britain".

2nd, I keep seeing salty Europeans posting random comments like this

"I think the UK will lose trade more then the EU"
"If the UK leaves the single market its economy will die"

Back it up with facts? Many of you are typing absolute rubbish that is based on a prejudice to see the UK suffer.

"Scotland will get independence"

Which clown thinks this? Polling just came out showing less then 40% of Scots want another referendum.
SNP also, don't have a majority in its own parliament to pass a independence bill.

Now, in a final fuck you. I hope you enjoy millions of Islamic refugees (Cough economic migrants). Great to see the German Dictator now reverting to banning the Burka, very illiberal.

Durring, you're a absolute clown. I remember when you spamming this forum on the idea that bombing Libya was some great source for good.

You have been wrong on every single international event. You often post on here and you have been wrong. Wrong on Brexit, wrong on Libya, wrong on trump.


Nobody has much faith in Dutch Trump Wilders.

Ahhh guess what, he's now winning in the Polls.

You even posted about bombing Syria, and how we should "arm" the moderate rebels. That turned into ISIS.

Honestly, Duuring, you have been wrong on everything. 

1, Wrong on Brexit.
2,Wrong on the EU Referendum.
3, Wrong in bombing Syria - ISIS.
4, Wrong on Bombing Libya.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Gluk the Walrus on December 10, 2016, 07:15:28 am
So you really think that Trump defeated globalism? A one world government has been a project centuries in the making, and we're already pretty much there and getting closer by the year. Just read the UN accords to see that it's not a secret or even controversial. All they need is the next big catastrophe and they can convince the public to accept the next step, which will probably be relatively soon at this rate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_government
Please stop nipple, you don't know this for a fact and you sound like a mental conspiracy theorist.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Nipplestockings on December 10, 2016, 07:53:44 am
It's not contoversial at all that we are transitioning to world government. The globalists aren't just a fringe ideology, they're the most powerful people in the world right now. You can read Kissinger's words, George Bush sr's speech in 1990 where he literally said we're entering a new world order, the philosophies of the fouders of the league of nations, EU and UN, along with all the other leaders of the Europe since the enlightenment. The world has gone through many orders, and it's only natural that a new one will arise once the world crisis reaches its boiling point.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steady-state_economy
^they want this
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Ambiguous on December 10, 2016, 10:05:42 am
You want a tin-foil hat buddy?
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Rhen on December 10, 2016, 10:29:13 am
@Duuring

You haven't banned: "StrandThe_Selmy" yet. Check the previous page for further details.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Duuring on December 10, 2016, 03:16:33 pm
Quote
1, Wrong on Brexit.
2,Wrong on the EU Referendum.

They're the same thing?

Quote
Ahhh guess what, he's now winning in the Polls.

Yes, in the polls. Woopdiedoo: He is polling at approx. 30 seats, while you need 76 for a majority. Based on the polls, that requires at least two governing partners if he works with the current in-government Liberals, or three if he refuses to form a coalition with them or they refuse to form a coalition with him. Please educate me on how he is going to 'win'.

The installation of a no-fly zone was the right decision. No-one opposed Resolution 1973, not even Russia and China. Yes, the developments afterwards have been disappointing but I don't see how a Qaddifi-organized genocide of his own people (like the Assad-organized genocide of his own people in Syria) would be a better alternative. You may disagree, of course. We simply do not know what would have happened had we not intervened. I suspect another Syria, you apparantly suspect peace and tranquility.

Quote
3, Wrong in bombing Syria - ISIS

So we shouldn't be bombing IS?

We should continue to arm and support moderate rebel groups in Syria, most importantly the Syrian Democratic Forces, which have proven that they're the best force-on-the-ground against IS. The coalition between them and us has proven entirely succesful.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: StevenChilton on December 10, 2016, 04:31:36 pm
-Actually the referendum and Brexit aren't the same thing. You said the UK wouldn't vote to leave (it did) and you said Brexit would cause economic collapse (it hasn't so far, in fact the UK economy grew faster than any other G7 country in 2016).

-Wilders won't become PM but he will win the election by having the most seats.

-Gaddafi was not about to 'organise a genocide' there's zero evidence for that. And it's total hypocrisy for the West to turn on him after he was made out to be some great guy and went to great lengths to rehabilitate him for so long.
Spoiler
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.dailymail.co.uk%2Fi%2Fpix%2F2010%2F06%2F04%2Farticle-0-09E4EA7D000005DC-234_468x329.jpg&hash=0151c13c3bdc124ed6986c209aee7468be7a3d6a)(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmyownworldnews.files.wordpress.com%2F2011%2F03%2Fgaddafi-rompuy.jpg&hash=1f4c096f42c32e1bdb5fc21376101084a8c13a3c)(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.dailymail.co.uk%2Fi%2Fpix%2F2011%2F09%2F05%2Farticle-2033926-0DAC06E400000578-337_468x410.jpg&hash=75f00b1ec6c2cea1756c7bcc4cc8412dbe85c662)(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic5.businessinsider.com%2Fimage%2F561fc11b9dd7cc03308b6cab-480%2Flibyan-leader-muammar-gaddafi-r-holds-hands-with-italian-prime-minister-silvio-berlusconi-during-a-meeting-in-sirte-600-km-370-miles-east-of-tripoli-march-2-2009.jpg&hash=e00e8e5c8c677adf69e26fcbac59a9863a3f1965)
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-The situation in Libya was worse than Syria. Not so long ago the Libyan Govt had to meet in a ferry moored off the coast (it now sits in a naval base, so at least there's been some improvement), and the PM was kidnapped from his hotel in the capital. There's still plenty of fighting but press attention has shifted to Syria and Iraq.

-There are no moderate rebels (not in any significant number anyway). At best they'd lock up gays in prison rather than throw them off rooftops like ISIS does. Anyway, if ISIS and/or Assad went the rebels would have fought among themselves for control of the country. I think the rebels will eventually lose so the coming conflict will be between the Kurds and Assad (they're not fighting each other at the moment).
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Edwin on December 10, 2016, 07:32:18 pm
Get btfo'd duuring
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Ambiguous on December 10, 2016, 10:39:06 pm
StevenChilton you made some valid points, and I agree with you on the Kurd-Assad conflict in the future, my only question is who do you think out of the World Powers will support who?
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on December 10, 2016, 11:10:33 pm
Russia would support Assad

I think Trump will stay out of it

China will continue not caring
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Theodin on December 10, 2016, 11:24:56 pm
^
Maybe Germany hops onto the Kurds cause, but I really doubt it. If US doesn't support, no one will..
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: StevenChilton on December 10, 2016, 11:56:43 pm
It would be difficult for any NATO country to support the Kurds given the strong objections from Turkey, which doesn't want to see an independent Kurdish state as it has problems with its own militant Kurdish minority. Having said that however it is in the interests of Saudi Arabia for a Kurdish state to be formed since any war to bring that about would involve Iraq, Syria, Turkey and Iran which all have sizable Kurdish populations. The House of Saud would love to see a Kurdish state, because:
a) That would cut Syria down to size,
b) It would prevent a large chunk of Iraq falling into the Iranian sphere of influence, and
c) Any Kurdish state would be hostile to Iran due to the Iranian mistreatment of its Kurdish population and a natural view to seeing Iranian Kurdistan as somewhere that should be part of its own territory.

These are our two big regional allies, so Western countries would be caught between a rock and a hard place over which side to support. I genuinely have no idea, but supporting the Kurds would probably mean an end to Turkish NATO membership (since Turkey could activate NATO's mutual defence clause if she were attacked by Saudi-backed Kurds and would have every right to do so). Ten years ago the rest of NATO would not have risked its relationship with Turkey, but with the direction of the country under Erdogan things are less certain. You've also got to consider that an independent Kurdistan would be a useful, highly-strategically placed Western ally in the region.

The Russians would back Assad, the Turks and the Iranians. The Gulf states led by Saudi Arabia would back the Kurds. That's all that can be certain. However there might not even be a war-Assad, recognising his own weakness, might offer the Syrian Kurds a high degree of regional autonomy. Baghdad will certainly do so in order to keep Iraq together. Would that be acceptable to the Syrian and Iraqi Kurds, whose ranks have been swelled by PKK nationalist fighters from Turkey? Is a unified Iraq even worth saving? Would they want to return to Assad rule? I think they would answer 'no' to all those questions but who knows what could happen. Ultimately I think the West is too exhausted from constant wars in the Middle East and won't lift a finger to help the Kurds, but nor will they actively go against them. So what will happen is we'll have a long, drawn out conflict that the Kurds can't win, but might be able to fight to a draw and win concessions surrounding greater autonomy (either that or they'll lose badly).
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Theodin on December 11, 2016, 12:49:51 am
Russia and Turkey have shit relations, though
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Ambiguous on December 11, 2016, 12:50:19 am
Russia and Turkey have shit relations, though
+1
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: StevenChilton on December 11, 2016, 12:54:34 am
They'd have a common enemy in the Kurds, plus if the opportunity arose that Turkey might leave/get kicked out of NATO Russia would try to influence things in that direction.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Thunderstormer on December 11, 2016, 12:59:01 am
Russia and Turkey have shit relations, though
If lets say turkey broke off from Nato/the west,  would they stay that way?   
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Furrnox on December 11, 2016, 01:05:36 am
As Turkey moves closer to a dictatorship they move closer to Russia.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: StrandThe_Selmy on December 11, 2016, 01:44:48 am
Duuring...
1. Wrong on Brexit economical collapse.
2. Wrong on the EU-UK Referendum.
3. Said Trump would not win the USA Republic primaries/.
4. Said Trump would not win the USA Election.
5. Said back in 2013 that bombing Libya was the right thing to do.
6. You advocated bombing Syria which led to ISIS. If we had removed Assad, ISIS would be significant larger.
7. You supported Germany in allowing large-scale immigrants to come into the EU. Which has also failed hugely.

Duuring, what have you been right about? You appear to reasonably educated yet have failed in everything.
How can you be so wrong all the time.
You once said Gert Wilders and the Front National are jokes and no one takes them seriously. Yet, in the polls there the largest Party?
Duuring, you need to accept responsibility that you have been wrong on a catastrophic scale.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Theodin on December 11, 2016, 02:06:05 am
Russia and Turkey have shit relations, though
If lets say turkey broke off from Nato/the west,  would they stay that way?
Hard to say what Russia sees in it's allies, so idk if they would really care
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Ambiguous on December 11, 2016, 09:45:37 am
Russia and Turkey have shit relations, though
If lets say turkey broke off from Nato/the west,  would they stay that way?
Hard to say what Russia sees in it's allies, so idk if they would really care
Russia sees what it wants in it's allies so if someone bails from nato, russia will start diplomatic negotiations immidiately.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on December 11, 2016, 12:33:46 pm
Russia and Turkey have shit relations, though
If lets say turkey broke off from Nato/the west,  would they stay that way?
Hard to say what Russia sees in it's allies, so idk if they would really care

It sees countries that are not actively trying to fuck them.

So countries leaving an alliance that was basically built to fuck them without consent probably means good relations I would say.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Duuring on December 11, 2016, 03:02:34 pm
NATO was never designed to 'fuck Russia'. The original plans after the fall of the USSR was to create a safety organisation with Russia and eventually integrate them into NATO which would be then be focused on regional and human safety. Some Russian parties even ran on a Join-EU/Join-NATO-platform during the 2000 elections.  Gorbachev was originally planning on the USSR joining NATO and using the partnership to stabilize the Union, but of course that failed when Yeltsin and other Nationalist leaders took over.
 
Turkey and Russia have opposing goals and interests. The best they can do is agreeing not to fuck with eachother, but Turkey leaving NATO is just a fantasy. Why destroy your relationships with the world strongest economies to cozy up with a country with an economy 20 times smaller and an untrustworthy dictator for a leader? Especially now that Russia will run out of money somewhere in the next two years.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on December 11, 2016, 10:23:20 pm
NATO was NEVER designed to 'fuck Russia'.

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Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Peppers on December 11, 2016, 10:57:36 pm
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That feel when Russia has done more to ISIS then nato  :-\
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Duuring on December 11, 2016, 11:39:53 pm
What exactly have the Russians achieved? The Kurdish/NATO-led alliance in Syria and the Iraq-NATO alliance in Iraq have recaptured a quarter of IS-held territory and are currently busy with large-scaled offensives against both Mosul in Iraq and Raqqa in Syria. Meanwhile, the only note-worthy change that clearly has been because of the Russians was the re-capture of Palmyra, which has just been re-captured again by IS along with a good batch of Syrian equipment. Of course, that's unless you believe Russian claims that they killed 10.000 terrorists while not harming a single civilian.  ::)

Is that post even real? NATO has been focusing on terrorism since the beginning of this century and is only now re-focusing back on inter-state conflicts, due to Russia.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: StevenChilton on December 12, 2016, 12:08:27 am
What exactly have the Russians achieved?

Um, I dunno, maybe the fact that Assad is still in power and has just re-captured Aleppo.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Duuring on December 12, 2016, 12:52:33 am
I meant achievements against IS.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Theodin on December 12, 2016, 01:09:25 am
NATO has clearly been focusing on terrorism.
Just don't talk about the reassurance measures in Eastern Europe, I guess.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Ambiguous on December 12, 2016, 09:21:18 am
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Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: AP0CALYPS3 on December 12, 2016, 01:12:30 pm
I guess I blame the jews and thr government
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Ambiguous on December 12, 2016, 01:36:38 pm
I guess I blame the jews and thr government
preach11111
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: junedragon on December 12, 2016, 04:58:10 pm
NATO was never designed to 'fuck Russia'. The original plans after the fall of the USSR was to create a safety organisation with Russia and eventually integrate them into NATO which would be then be focused on regional and human safety.

Except the first Secretary General of NATO openly stated that the goal is "to keep the Russians out, the Americans in, and the Germans down."

The Soviet Union even offered to join NATO in 1954 but was rejected... Then West Germany was admitted (a major rationale pretty much openly being to provide the necessary manpower to blunt a Soviet invasion) and subsequently the Warsaw Pact was drawn up essentially in direct response to these developments.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Duuring on December 23, 2016, 11:43:43 pm
Yes, NATO was designed to offer collective defensive to the western (capitalist) states and, in the beginning, to crack down on German militarism. But the enemy was the USSR, not Russia. Westerns called every Soviet Citizen 'Russian'.

Of course it was rejected. NATO accepting the USSR into their defensive pact would have been the same as Germany becoming part of the Triple Entente before WW1.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: William on December 24, 2016, 06:03:50 am
So as I was listening to my typical Friday night music  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocW3fBqPQkU)I came across this interesting piece on The Donald subreddit. It's interesting in concept, thought you all might want to take a look at it:
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5k0aud/breaking_i_believe_i_have_uncovered_evidence_that/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5k0aud/breaking_i_believe_i_have_uncovered_evidence_that/)
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Rutger Müller on December 24, 2016, 06:15:22 am
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Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Ambiguous on December 24, 2016, 05:40:23 pm
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Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: StevenChilton on December 31, 2016, 05:45:43 am
This is interesting. Also says Iraqi Army and Kurdish/Iranian paramilitary groups having a tough time re-taking Mosul and suffering high casualties. Re-capturing it might not even be possible in the short term, despite military figures claiming in August that they could take it by Christmas.

http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/12/30/why-politicians-are-blame-most-terrorist-attacks.html
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Ambiguous on December 31, 2016, 11:58:23 am
Media providing false Information? What is that nonsense????
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Gurkha on January 01, 2017, 01:44:42 am
hello 2017

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Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Mexican on January 01, 2017, 02:49:38 am
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i gotchu fam
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Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Fwuffy on January 01, 2017, 03:56:16 am
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Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Ambiguous on January 01, 2017, 04:01:38 am
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Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Peppers on January 01, 2017, 06:38:57 pm
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Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Riddlez on January 01, 2017, 10:06:50 pm
So as I was listening to my typical Friday night music  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocW3fBqPQkU)I came across this interesting piece on The Donald subreddit. It's interesting in concept, thought you all might want to take a look at it:
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5k0aud/breaking_i_believe_i_have_uncovered_evidence_that/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5k0aud/breaking_i_believe_i_have_uncovered_evidence_that/)

That is literally the largest pile of pure bullshit ever....
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Duuring on January 02, 2017, 01:59:46 am
People always take great lenghts in explaining how Merkel is going to conquer Europe with her secret EU-Islamic conspiracy, but nobody gives a reason why she would do that.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Rutger Müller on January 02, 2017, 02:16:41 am
People always take great lenghts in explaining how Merkel is going to conquer Europe with her secret EU-Islamic conspiracy, but nobody gives a reason why she would do that.
>implying Merkel is more than merely a pawn in the grand scheme
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Furrnox on January 02, 2017, 04:24:31 am
The tinfoil hats are to stronk.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Rutger Müller on January 02, 2017, 06:31:37 am
The tinfoil hats are to stronk.
coincidence???
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ELEVATE YOUR MENTAL STATE
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: junedragon on January 02, 2017, 07:48:22 am
Thank you humble water filter salesman.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Ambiguous on January 02, 2017, 01:00:49 pm
Thank you humble water filter salesman.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Duuring on January 02, 2017, 10:11:34 pm
So I saw the first political campaign TV advertisement for our national elections today. God, it was retarded.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Gluk the Walrus on January 02, 2017, 10:43:54 pm
So I saw the first political campaign TV advertisement for our national elections today. God, it was retarded.
They are all bad. Clinton's were cringeworthy, trumps were unironically funny. Kinda glad our election is over tbh, tired of hearing about it. Good luck m8.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Thunderstormer on January 02, 2017, 11:04:50 pm
The best commercials are by those you have never heard of before.  The ones drawn by the person running(or seems like it was).  had a few of those goodies during the Iowa caucuses.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Ambiguous on January 02, 2017, 11:37:26 pm
The best commercials are by those you have never heard of before.  The ones drawn by the person running(or seems like it was).  had a few of those goodies during the Iowa caucuses.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS6lQxhIMoI

Ukraine ftw
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Duuring on January 03, 2017, 12:42:23 am
The one I saw was by the Christian-Democrats which had kids asking their parents 'Why can you only work six hours a week?' and 'Why doesn't the police keep order?' and other right-wing crap, and then their party leader voice-over saying 'If you can't even explain it to kids...'.

It beats the Socialist party though. They had a commercial that sorta looks like the new intro to a netflix series. I wish they added english subtitles, it would be fun to share.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: MrTiki on January 03, 2017, 01:05:59 am
Can you link for those who can speak Dutch? :P
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Rutger Müller on January 03, 2017, 03:15:53 am
'Why doesn't the police keep order?'
...soon
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Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Edwin on January 03, 2017, 06:31:00 am
'Why doesn't the police keep order?'

Such a silly and trivial right-wing question.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Ambiguous on January 03, 2017, 12:09:04 pm
'Why doesn't the police keep order?'

Such a silly and trivial right-wing question.
get keked on
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Riddlez on January 03, 2017, 02:16:10 pm
The one I saw was by the Christian-Democrats which had kids asking their parents 'Why can you only work six hours a week?' and 'Why doesn't the police keep order?' and other right-wing crap, and then their party leader voice-over saying 'If you can't even explain it to kids...'.

It beats the Socialist party though. They had a commercial that sorta looks like the new intro to a netflix series. I wish they added english subtitles, it would be fun to share.

Which parties?
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Duuring on January 03, 2017, 03:37:02 pm
This is the Christian-Democrat one (God the Cringe)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SimHZ7_ZQ10


And the one by the Socialist party:

https://www.facebook.com/SocialistischePartij/videos/1553464848002123/
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Riddlez on January 03, 2017, 03:46:45 pm
Good lord. I was considering voting for CDA... getting second thoughts now  ;D
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Edwin on January 03, 2017, 04:55:06 pm
That Socialist one has some serious InjuryLawyers4U vibes.

Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Duuring on January 03, 2017, 05:29:00 pm
And it's still ten weeks to the election, why is the campaign already starting?

I know Americans have like 8 months of elections, but we really don't.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Riddlez on January 03, 2017, 09:51:40 pm
They had a commercial that sorta looks like the new intro to a netflix series.

Not suprising when polticians hand over 50% of their salary to the party.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Duuring on January 03, 2017, 09:56:39 pm
Which is such a stupid rule.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Riddlez on January 03, 2017, 10:32:31 pm
Which is such a stupid rule.

It is though. Still. It most likely won them seats.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Duuring on January 03, 2017, 11:08:01 pm
It makes them a very rich party that is able to fund large-scaled campaigns all the time. Which wins them seats, I guess. Even though they're doing quite bad in the polls.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Riddlez on January 04, 2017, 12:22:18 am
It makes them a very rich party that is able to fund large-scaled campaigns all the time. Which wins them seats, I guess. Even though they're doing quite bad in the polls.

Which is a waste. They could've been the perfect alternative to Wilders, since somehow they were spared in the whole 'crush the established order' business.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Duuring on January 04, 2017, 12:30:22 am
I disagree. They're a typical left-populist party and their backing of the no-campaign during the referendum was nothing short of absolutely shameful. They still have many communists and other 'anti-imperialists' in their party organisation. They're doing some good stuff, of course, like the recent campaign to abolish youth minimum wage, but all in all I'm very happy they're struggeling. Their leader will resign after this election, too.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Riddlez on January 04, 2017, 12:15:45 pm
I disagree. They're a typical left-populist party and their backing of the no-campaign during the referendum was nothing short of absolutely shameful. They still have many communists and other 'anti-imperialists' in their party organisation. They're doing some good stuff, of course, like the recent campaign to abolish youth minimum wage, but all in all I'm very happy they're struggeling. Their leader will resign after this election, too.

He will?

I can get behind your reservations but surely you'd rather see the SP in power than PVV?
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Duuring on January 04, 2017, 02:49:52 pm
I rather see neither of them in power.

The following might not be easy to follow for non-Dutchies, but nevertheless:

Yeah, he will. You might have noticed the small rebellion in their faction a few weeks ago. Add to that the fact that Lilian Marijnissen, daughter of Jan 'Mao Zedong' Marijnissen (Their previous leader who was both faction leader and party chairman) has been put on no. 3 on the list, despite having no experience on the national level. Roemer (their current leader) has been unable to give to them a national victory and, looking at the polls, it's very unlikely he'll win it this time. He'll resign or be voted out - maybe not directly after the election, but surely before the one after this.

Now, if you look at any possible sucessors, it's noteworthy that many senior MP's aren't returning or are unlikely to return. Harry van Bommel and Sharon Gesthuizen are both leaving politics. Jasper van Dijk, a senior and active MP on especially education has been put on place 14 of the list. Considering the Socialists are polling at anything between 11 and 16, it's not position that assures election. It's very odd why someone who has been active, succesful and an MP for over 10 years is put on such a low and unsecure position. To me, it's clear that the party establishment is paving the way for Lilian Marijnissen to take over. Maybe another MP will be faction leader for a few years so Lilian can built up her expertise.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: StevenChilton on January 04, 2017, 04:39:54 pm
I'm not a Hollander, but who's likely to be PM after the elections? From the opinion polls (the collated ones on Wikipedia anyway) it looks like there will have to be a grand coalition of some kind since nobody wants to work with PVV and they're probably going to emerge as the largest party. I dunno if that analysis is wrong correct me if it is.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Riddlez on January 04, 2017, 04:57:31 pm
I'm not a Hollander, but who's likely to be PM after the elections? From the opinion polls (the collated ones on Wikipedia anyway) it looks like there will have to be a grand coalition of some kind since nobody wants to work with PVV and they're probably going to emerge as the largest party. I dunno if that analysis is wrong correct me if it is.

THe point with the PVV, is that the polls are usually higher than what he actually gains after election days, since many of his followers don't trust 'the system' and don't turn up to vote (which is rather dumb).

YET, because he has such a major chance of winning, his voters may this year very well turn up.

Then we face the following problem: there is currently only 1 party that would ever agree to working together with Wilders, and that party is 2 seats strong.. at the moment, and they most likely will not gain any seats coming election. The rest of the party publicly stated they will not work together with the PVV, so any chance of a Wilders-led government are gone.
Of the other parties, however, none comes above 30 seats ()out of 150 and 76 for a majority). So without Wilders, there will be no effective government, because a coalition of 6 or 7 parties won't ever work out.

Even IF Wilders has ALL the seats in the polls, and EVERYONE would be DYING to work with him, it'd take at least 4 parties for a government.

SO yeah. We're fucked.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Duuring on January 05, 2017, 04:10:30 pm
My money is on another term for Rutte. A right-wing coalition of the Liberals, Social-Liberals and the Christian-Democrats seems most likely, but such a coalition polls at 50-60 seats. However, 50+ (Pensioners party) is doing pretty good in the polls and they are publicaly stating they want to be in government. But even if they're accepted in the coalition, that still won't be enough for a majority, and they'll need the help of the Greens, or Labour, or, most likely, what we call the 'small Christian Parties'. But the Social-Liberals and the small Christian Parties have very opposing platforms, so such a minority-coalition-construct will be very fragile. Still, I think this scenario is the most likely based on the current polls. I could be dead wrong, of course, because this is a pretty new situation.

The parties on the left are also stating they want to form a left-wing coalition government but I just don't feel that's really realistic at this point. Labour, the socialists, the greens combined poll at roughly 43 seats. With the social-liberals, 55. How they're supposed to reach 76, I just don't know.

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there is currently only 1 party that would ever agree to working together with Wilders, and that party is 2 seats strong.. at the moment, and they most likely will not gain any seats coming election
I think you mean VNL (a PVV-splitoff), right? They'll be back, I think. People think that they and Forum voor Democratie will keep eachother out of the parliament, but VNL has a better organisation with local figures and chapters, whereas FvD campaigns only online and on universities. Don't underestimate the power of the ground campaign.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Riddlez on January 05, 2017, 04:26:20 pm
I am actually pleasantly surprised by our dear Friend Baudet. He is a liberal at heart but still believes the state should take care of the weakest in our society, however weirdly that combines.
I am detested by his character, but the points of this party align very much with my own. Except for the direct democracy part, the chosen mayors and president. That could lock-down prograssion such as we are seeing in the U.S. Not that his 'direct democracy' thing would actually make ity, it'd need a constitutional amendment. Which won't fly. Ever.

And, now we're on the constitution, his plan for defense are unconstitutional as well. It is illegal to an isolationist when it comes to the military. You just can't.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Duuring on January 05, 2017, 04:37:21 pm
I support the direct election of mayors. Our current system is just odd and there's no real point to it. However, there are plenty of small counties with a few thousand voters or less, that don't necessarily want or can handle direct elections. Local government councils should be able to elect their mayor or decide to hold an direct election for it. And the constitutional amendment might very well pass, plenty of parties are in favour of it or will be willing to vote for the above mentioned idea.

His plan for direct election of the prime minister is unworkable, though. For the non-dutchies: He proposes we should give people two votes: One for which party to vote for, and one for who should form the government. However, I'm guessing that for most people, both those votes will go to the same party which whoever wins might just get 20-25% of the vote. What if he/she can't form a government? What if his proposed government is directly sent out of office with a vote of no confidence? New elections? There's no real point to it, because the biggest party always gets the first try at forming a government anyway. His proposal to give the PM much more power also basically makes him a president. Which we don't need. Our system works fine.

I don't think he so much wants to be isolationist. He's very clearly pro-Russian, though. He has mentioned this on various occasions even when Russia wasn't even a subject of debate, going as far as stating that not signing the AA-treaty with Ukraine would 'immediatly lead to peace' in Eastern Ukraine.  ::)

The Dutch constitution pledge for support in international affairs is nice and all, but it's just a friendly pledge that is in no way enforced.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Furrnox on January 06, 2017, 05:51:25 am
I am actually pleasantly surprised by our dear Friend Baudet. He is a liberal at heart but still believes the state should take care of the weakest in our society, however weirdly that combines.
I am detested by his character, but the points of this party align very much with my own. Except for the direct democracy part, the chosen mayors and president. That could lock-down prograssion such as we are seeing in the U.S. Not that his 'direct democracy' thing would actually make ity, it'd need a constitutional amendment. Which won't fly. Ever.

And, now we're on the constitution, his plan for defense are unconstitutional as well. It is illegal to an isolationist when it comes to the military. You just can't.

So a social-liberal..
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Riddlez on January 06, 2017, 09:04:25 am
As I said, a tad weird. He seems to get off on the Scandinavian model.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: Duuring on January 06, 2017, 01:20:39 pm
Not really. He wants to drastically lower taxes and even abolish some like inheritence-tax. On the spending department, he's in favour of, quote 'Drastic cuts in the size of the government and the billions of euros spend on subsidies every year'. Which doesn't really mean anything.

As far as welfare goes, the only thing he says that he's in favour of keeping it for 'those who really need it'. Guess what - everybody shares that opinion, it's just that we all feel different about who really needs it.

I don't think he really cares about the economic side of politics, and just gets off on cultural and political stuff.
Title: Re: World Politics Thread - Round 2
Post by: StevenChilton on January 13, 2017, 03:22:26 pm
lmao http://www.euractiv.com/section/global-europe/news/trump-transition-team-asked-eu-officials-which-countries-will-be-next-to-leave-the-eu/