Thoughts about "Confederate Flag" being banned

[Wigster600]

They've really gone too far banning it, it's a piece of history, only a fool or someone with improper intentions would want to delete a piece of history.

[Nipplestockings]

It hasn't been banned.

[StevenChilton]

I find the Confederate flag deeply offensive and I'm glad it's been removed from the Dukes of Hazzard car and also the S Carolina capitol. Those are two good steps, but there needs to be a complete ban now.

[MaxLam]

In the case of South Carolina Capitol, the flag was set there in the 1960's or 1970's to oppose the Civil Rights movement, so this flag was indeed actually used as an offensive and racist symbol.

[dukeofwellington]

In the case of South Carolina Capitol, the flag was set there in the 1960's or 1970's to oppose the Civil Rights movement, so this flag was indeed actually used as an offensive and racist symbol.

It is next to a Confederate War memorial and those dead soldiers deserve that flag more than any living person, a flag should never be removed from a memorial so that politicians gain the votes of incompetent and uneducated people that fill today's society.

[Wigster600]

In the case of South Carolina Capitol, the flag was set there in the 1960's or 1970's to oppose the Civil Rights movement, so this flag was indeed actually used as an offensive and racist symbol.

It is next to a Confederate War memorial and those dead soldiers deserve that flag more than any living person, a flag should never be removed from a memorial so that politicians gain the votes of incompetent and uneducated people that fill today's society.

You most likely just summed up the majority of the USA's population.

[Nipplestockings]

In the case of South Carolina Capitol, the flag was set there in the 1960's or 1970's to oppose the Civil Rights movement, so this flag was indeed actually used as an offensive and racist symbol.

It is next to a Confederate War memorial and those dead soldiers deserve that flag more than any living person, a flag should never be removed from a memorial so that politicians gain the votes of incompetent and uneducated people that fill today's society.

The flag of the confederacy does not represent the soldiers who fought for it. Removing it does not defile their memory. What a retarded statement.

[Wigster600]

In the case of South Carolina Capitol, the flag was set there in the 1960's or 1970's to oppose the Civil Rights movement, so this flag was indeed actually used as an offensive and racist symbol.

It is next to a Confederate War memorial and those dead soldiers deserve that flag more than any living person, a flag should never be removed from a memorial so that politicians gain the votes of incompetent and uneducated people that fill today's society.

The flag of the confederacy does not represent the soldiers who fought for it. Removing it does not defile their memory. What a retarded statement.

How about we reincarnate them and ask them?

[MaxLam]

The racist flag was on top of the Capitol. A few years ago it was moved to the memorial thanks to the pressure of people opposing the flag. The Confederacy lost the war, so it's normal that there is no confederate flag flying over the memorial, just like there is no Nazi flag flying over German WWII memorials in France.

[Nipplestockings]

In the case of South Carolina Capitol, the flag was set there in the 1960's or 1970's to oppose the Civil Rights movement, so this flag was indeed actually used as an offensive and racist symbol.

It is next to a Confederate War memorial and those dead soldiers deserve that flag more than any living person, a flag should never be removed from a memorial so that politicians gain the votes of incompetent and uneducated people that fill today's society.

The flag of the confederacy does not represent the soldiers who fought for it. Removing it does not defile their memory. What a retarded statement.

How about we reincarnate them and ask them?

I'm sure some poor farmers would care very much about a flag being removed from the South Carolina Statehouse in 2015, considering they were killed in a war which they did not ask for and would have much preferred to be back at home with their families.

[StevenChilton]

All flags are inherently racist. I think the Stars and Stripes should also be banned, or at the very least they should limit when it can be shown.

[PolarBeats]

In the case of South Carolina Capitol, the flag was set there in the 1960's or 1970's to oppose the Civil Rights movement, so this flag was indeed actually used as an offensive and racist symbol.

It is next to a Confederate War memorial and those dead soldiers deserve that flag more than any living person, a flag should never be removed from a memorial so that politicians gain the votes of incompetent and uneducated people that fill today's society.

The flag of the confederacy does not represent the soldiers who fought for it. Removing it does not defile their memory. What a retarded statement.

That actually is quite the retarded statement lol, The Battle flag of the Confederacy was specifically designed to represent the soldiers on the battle field and is used to memorialize them today. The problem are modern groups like the Klan and Neo-Nazi's and even the NAACP that have given an era of disgrace to the flag and ill representation. I am not going to take away from the tragedy of the SC shooting, but to be quite honest it has nothing to do with the flag or history, just some bitch ass kid looking to cause a race war. Men that have been dead for 130+ years didn't walk into that church, this wave of "political correctness" sweeping the nation is nothing more than a desecration of graves and a blatant attack at the dead who cant defend themselves. Whether you like it or not, 11 states left the Union in search of their own fate and rights as given to them by the Deceleration of Independence of 1776 and faced a War of Northern Aggression. 397,000 killed and wounded boys, young men, grown men who fought bravely in defense of their homes and their way of life.. They should be honored just like the 647,000 killed and wounded of the Union, not erased, not disgraced but honored.

When I look at the flag I see a lost cause, a failed chance at independence, the denied rights to "liberty and the pursuit of happiness", and denied the ability to abolish a destructive government and institute a new government to lay its foundation on these principles, years of ruin for the South and years of propaganda. Nobody said history was pretty, nobody says that just because the other side wins or loses that the noble men weren't honorable. The flag simply does not represent racism or ill will to any form of people, and you are foolish to believe so.

[Nipplestockings]

Nobody thinks the flag only represents racism. Of course it is a part of history, but when it is still flying on a government building and was set there for the soul purpose of opposing the civil rights movement, there shouldn't be much question in your mind as to its legitimacy. I don't support a ban on the confederate flag, and these companies like Apple who are removing it from the app store are being silly - clearly just to appease their shareholders.

The thing is though, regardless of its legal status in the US, the confederate flag does not really represent a noble cause. You can claim all you like that the confederacy did not fight for the continuation of slavery, but every historical document and source of information speaks otherwise. It simply is not true that the civil war was not fought primarily over slavery. It was a debate that had been raging for decades before the outbreak of the war, and in almost every single declaration of secession published from each state of the confederacy, upholding slavery was clearly stated as their primary cause. The south plainly and simply did not want to abolish slavery. It's understandable of course, considering the entire livelihood of the south dependent on slavery as an established institution, and I'm not entirely sure how anyone could deny this with the historical resources available to us on the internet today, but all the same, it's quite clear what the confederacy stood for, and it's quite clear to me that their cause was not one of honor or nobility.

[PolarBeats]

Spoiler

Nobody thinks the flag only represents racism. Of course it is a part of history, but when it is still flying on a government building and was set there for the soul purpose of opposing the civil rights movement, there shouldn't be much question in your mind as to its legitimacy. I don't support a ban on the confederate flag, and these companies like Apple who are removing it from the app store are being silly - clearly just to appease their shareholders.

The thing is though, regardless of its legal status in the US, the confederate flag does not really represent a noble cause. You can claim all you like that the confederacy did not fight for the continuation of slavery, but every historical document and source of information speaks otherwise. It simply is not true that the civil war was not fought primarily over slavery. It was a debate that had been raging for decades before the outbreak of the war, and in almost every single declaration of secession published from each state of the confederacy, upholding slavery was clearly stated as their primary cause. The south plainly and simply did not want to abolish slavery. It's understandable of course, considering the entire livelihood of the south dependent on slavery as an established institution, and I'm not entirely sure how anyone could deny this with the historical resources available to us on the internet today, but all the same, it's quite clear what the confederacy stood for, and it's quite clear to me that their cause was not one of honor or nobility.

[close]

I view it as a War of Northern Aggression, to prove it you must look at the events of the year 1860/61. December 20th, 1860 South Carolina secedes.. stating simply that the soon to be crusade against slavery would threaten their constitutional rights. The word slavery is mentioned six times in their deceleration of succession but never about keeping their slaves, just that the Union would use it as a base to deny their rights. By the end of January 1861, six more states would leave the Union as independent republics, by February these seven states would join together and form a provisional government and label their nation as a confederation. In the months leading to April of 1861, the south would have taken over the garrisons of abandoned forts as well as arsenals in their states with the exception of South Carolina specifically, as well as visit Lincoln in Washington asking him to recognize their independence. By April 12th, the state of South Carolina will have asked on multiple occasions for the US to abandon Fort Sumter due to the Union's lack of jurisdiction, South Carolina is a independent state now. When they refuse Confederates and South Carolina bombard the fort, and with no casualties sustained the Union surrenders and returns home. Upon word of Sumter Lincoln calls to arms 75,000 troops to end what he called the "insurrection" of South Carolina which eventually leads to the other four states of South to secede and form an army by July and have those armies merge at Manassas and Bull Run Creek.

This is a noble of cause as is any, the ideals of slavery can't be denied and nobody truly argues that. Mississippi and Texas specifically mention the ability to maintain the institution of slavery. But the maintenance of this institution was mainly political, normal people who didn't own slaves (and even many confederate officers and generals who never owned slaves) didn't much care for the ideals of slavery. But when a force bigger than your own demands you to raise your arms against brothers, then invades your lands, destroys your houses, and occupies your inhabitance under military rule.. its something you fight for. The Emancipation Proclamation didn't even free all the slaves, it only freed the slaves in the South where they had no authority, meanwhile Union slave states like Kansas, Missouri, Kentucky, Maryland and Delaware were allowed to maintain slavery and some didn't fully abolish the institution til the 1880's. So to demonize the Confederate cause as strictly slave related is incredibly incorrect.

[T_J_Jackson]

Spoiler

Nobody thinks the flag only represents racism. Of course it is a part of history, but when it is still flying on a government building and was set there for the soul purpose of opposing the civil rights movement, there shouldn't be much question in your mind as to its legitimacy. I don't support a ban on the confederate flag, and these companies like Apple who are removing it from the app store are being silly - clearly just to appease their shareholders.

The thing is though, regardless of its legal status in the US, the confederate flag does not really represent a noble cause. You can claim all you like that the confederacy did not fight for the continuation of slavery, but every historical document and source of information speaks otherwise. It simply is not true that the civil war was not fought primarily over slavery. It was a debate that had been raging for decades before the outbreak of the war, and in almost every single declaration of secession published from each state of the confederacy, upholding slavery was clearly stated as their primary cause. The south plainly and simply did not want to abolish slavery. It's understandable of course, considering the entire livelihood of the south dependent on slavery as an established institution, and I'm not entirely sure how anyone could deny this with the historical resources available to us on the internet today, but all the same, it's quite clear what the confederacy stood for, and it's quite clear to me that their cause was not one of honor or nobility.

[close]

I view it as a War of Northern Aggression, to prove it you must look at the events of the year 1860/61. December 20th, 1860 South Carolina secedes.. stating simply that the soon to be crusade against slavery would threaten their constitutional rights. The word slavery is mentioned six times in their deceleration of succession but never about keeping their slaves, just that the Union would use it as a base to deny their rights. By the end of January 1861, six more states would leave the Union as independent republics, by February these seven states would join together and form a provisional government and label their nation as a confederation. In the months leading to April of 1861, the south would have taken over the garrisons of abandoned forts as well as arsenals in their states with the exception of South Carolina specifically, as well as visit Lincoln in Washington asking him to recognize their independence. By April 12th, the state of South Carolina will have asked on multiple occasions for the US to abandon Fort Sumter due to the Union's lack of jurisdiction, South Carolina is a independent state now. When they refuse Confederates and South Carolina bombard the fort, and with no casualties sustained the Union surrenders and returns home. Upon word of Sumter Lincoln calls to arms 75,000 troops to end what he called the "insurrection" of South Carolina which eventually leads to the other four states of South to secede and form an army by July and have those armies merge at Manassas and Bull Run Creek.

This is a noble of cause as is any, the ideals of slavery can't be denied and nobody truly argues that. Mississippi and Texas specifically mention the ability to maintain the institution of slavery. But the maintenance of this institution was mainly political, normal people who didn't own slaves (and even many confederate officers and generals who never owned slaves) didn't much care for the ideals of slavery. But when a force bigger than your own demands you to raise your arms against brothers, then invades your lands, destroys your houses, and occupies your inhabitance under military rule.. its something you fight for. The Emancipation Proclamation didn't even free all the slaves, it only freed the slaves in the South where they had no authority, meanwhile Union slave states like Kansas, Missouri, Kentucky, Maryland and Delaware were allowed to maintain slavery and some didn't fully abolish the institution til the 1880's. So to demonize the Confederate cause as strictly slave related is incredibly incorrect.

Here, Here! I agree with everything this man has said. And it IS Truth.