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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #3465 on: May 16, 2018, 09:22:25 am »
No Sweden is does not have conscription.  You are thinking of Norway, which has male and female conscription.


EDIT: okay I have to correct myself. Sweden is now in the proces of going from a conscription force to an all-volunteer force. Their conscription only included men though.
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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #3466 on: May 16, 2018, 09:47:52 am »
OH NOES women in the military. HOW AWFUL.

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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #3467 on: May 16, 2018, 10:08:10 am »
OH NOES women in the military. HOW AWFUL.

BACK TO THE KITCHEN WITH THEM.
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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #3468 on: May 16, 2018, 10:10:29 am »
OH NOES women in the military. HOW AWFUL.

Enjoy 36% less muscle mass. Why don't we just have children and disabled serve in army? Such discrimination.

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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #3469 on: May 16, 2018, 10:15:25 am »
OH NOES women in the military. HOW AWFUL.

Enjoy 36% less muscle mass. Why don't we just have children and disabled serve in army? Such discrimination.
And yet many women serve with distinction. It’s a stupid comparison to make.

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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #3470 on: May 16, 2018, 10:51:22 am »
OH NOES women in the military. HOW AWFUL.

Enjoy 36% less muscle mass. Why don't we just have children and disabled serve in army? Such discrimination.
And yet many women serve with distinction. It’s a stupid comparison to make.
So do children.
http://www.macleans.ca/culture/why-children-are-good-soldiers/

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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #3471 on: May 16, 2018, 11:12:06 am »
OH NOES women in the military. HOW AWFUL.

Enjoy 36% less muscle mass. Why don't we just have children and disabled serve in army? Such discrimination.
And yet many women serve with distinction. It’s a stupid comparison to make.
So do children.
http://www.macleans.ca/culture/why-children-are-good-soldiers/
What a silly argument. You’re trying to compare women in combat to children being forced to commit atrocities.

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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #3472 on: May 16, 2018, 11:31:44 am »
Even if women would be completely inept at doing anything at the front-lines (Which obviously is not true), they would still be able to do stuff like logistics.

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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #3473 on: May 16, 2018, 12:06:07 pm »
I have no problem with women in the military, I just think they should be banned from combat roles for obvious biological reasons.

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« Reply #3474 on: May 16, 2018, 12:29:01 pm »
Which is complete bullshit. There is only one combat role you could actually ban women from in terms of biology and that is fighter pilot because of womb displacement or whatever but for the rest it is complete bullshit.

Everyone always cites the muscle mass thing. This can be removed by adequate physical training to a standard that is more than acceptable for a female soldier to serve on the front lines.
And being a combat-effective soldier these days doesn't mean the fittest wins. That has long since passed. IF you'd actually read into the material of the requirements of a modern soldier, especially in the counter-insurgency scheme, you'd hear terms such as 'strategic corporal, warrior-diplomat". Especially within the US armed forces a lot of firefights and all-out clusterfucks in urban environments were caused by disproportional use of violence to even non-violent situations. So much for hearts and minds. The on average different mindset of women and them being less aggressive in nature counts for more than sheer muscle mass.

Oh and btw, being in the infantry is suprisingly less demanding than people think. The biggest amount of physical strain in the long run in the infantry is carrying a heavy backpack for ugh amount of kilometres and even that is usually taken away by the presence of motorised vehicles. FIghting is strenuous but you aren't going to tell me the absolute worst (72-hour firefights) is something anyone can actually prepare for. That is a mental thing, much less physical.
I'd say things like air assault infantry (not even close to the largest portion of troops in the infantry) and recon positions are much more strenuous. Special forces is another thing entirely but it's an exception that can be ignored on the subject.


That being said, the combat role "because women don't have the strength to fight" has long since been proven to not be true. In Afghanistan and Iraq, supply troops were the units to be attacked the most and had some pretty fucking badass firefights. In fact, there are a lot of Female marine POGS with a supply MOS who have been under fire more than male marine grunts.
Oh and comabt roles in general is a wrong term to use, because you'd imply that women also wouldn't be able to drive tanks, fly attack helicopters and fly drones.

In general a defense organisation profits hugely if the organisation is diverse. With a homogenuous group you are comitting intellectual incest and your armed forces, esepecially on the intellectual side, need different world views, perspectives and opinions in order to be able to handle all the kinds of complex trasks there are.


Saying women for biological reasons as a generalistation should be forbidden to perform combat roles is just a retarded as saying skinny people won't be able to carry a heavy backpack and thus shouldnt perform combat roles and saying fat people cant fight because they're too slow.
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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #3475 on: May 16, 2018, 12:50:16 pm »
Modern infantry equipment is heavier than medieval full plate armor, with difference that plate armor weight is much more evenly spread. Of course women can fight and serve in army but biologically they have an disadvantage so it is not as effective, but yes you get women who are better soldiers than men, but when you look at sports you see they are no match for them (watch some men vs female tennis). Also if country loses a lot of men in war, few man can impregnate big amount of females, while this cant be done other way around. So it is much more effective to have men military and much less riskier. Female military was mostly made when there was no men left or as a reserve force (sparta). Also muscular military woman is not something most men desire so by joining the army they are as good as dead in terms of reproduction. So yes muscle is still very much needed but there are positions that you don't need them, but I would call those positions real military.
So professional women military is fine, mobilisation of women dumb unless you have no more men.
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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #3476 on: May 16, 2018, 12:51:23 pm »
OH NOES women in the military. HOW AWFUL.

Enjoy 36% less muscle mass. Why don't we just have children and disabled serve in army? Such discrimination.
And yet many women serve with distinction. It’s a stupid comparison to make.
So do children.
http://www.macleans.ca/culture/why-children-are-good-soldiers/
What a silly argument. You’re trying to compare women in combat to children being forced to commit atrocities.

Women forced into military, meaning forced to commit atrocities.

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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #3477 on: May 16, 2018, 12:57:13 pm »
Modern infantry equipment is heavier than medieval full plate armor, with difference that plate armor weight is much more evenly spread. Of course women can fight and serve in army but biologically they have an disadvantage so it is not as effective, but yes you get women who are better soldiers than men, but when you look at sports you see they are no match for them (watch some men vs female tennis). Also if country loses a lot of men in war, few man can impregnate big amount of females, while this cant be done other way around. So it is much more effective to have men military and much less riskier. Female military was mostly made when there was no men left or as a reserve force (sparta). Also muscular military woman is not something most men desire so by joining the army they are as good as dead in terms of reproduction. So yes muscle is still very much needed but there are positions that you don't need them, but I would call those positions real military.

Pretty much all of logistics, the entire navy with the exception of Marines and MARSOC, everything in the airforce including fighter pilots, helicopter pilots, intelligence, maintenance, planning, security, personnel management medical services in every branch of the military, including field medics, engineers.

According to you "not real military positions even though I have literally just named 75% of military positions..... You clearly have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.


Women forced into military, meaning forced to commit atrocities.

True, but your comparison is still stupendously out of place.


Oh and your argument about not enough women in the country left to reproduce is also absolute garbage. Even with full conscription the military is a tiny portion of a nation's full populace.
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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #3478 on: May 16, 2018, 01:00:49 pm »
Yeah 75% of 'military'  is not military.

Might be tiny portion of female population but it is most fertil one, habe fun trying to impregnate 40 years olds.
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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #3479 on: May 16, 2018, 01:05:13 pm »
Common drafting age is 19-23. But okay, I guess after 2 years of service all women are then 40. Which is, by the way, with modern medical care a perfectly safe age to get kids at.

Yeah 75% of 'military'  is not military.

Do you want to say that to their faces as well? I think they'll proceed to show you exactly how military POGS are.
It's not as if they don't know to fight anyway.
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