1v1 Tournament - 'Changing Times' [Drake Winner]

[Eddie]

not sure if saying to someone he plays more or equally cancer than hokej is a complement

Someone didn't understand Haze's post.

I did and I agree with haze, you're both carcinogenic cunts that wasted everyone's time and guy refereeing your match will probably die of a brain tumour within the next 7 days.

[Herishey]

Fucks sake Andy.

[Kore]

Good job Ledger.

[Ledger]

Cuntrishey taught me welll!!!!

[RebelliouS]

Regarding what happened in the Quarter-Final bewteen Hokej and Ledger, just gonna actually give some clarifications about my decision aswell as some background story for those who were not on the server at the time. Couldn't post earlier since FSE was down.

On the Hokej-Ledger Incident

Hokej had a duel versus Desant before, which, despite the score (5-0), took a really long time. So basically when Hokej and Ledger started playing their quarter-final match, most of the other matches were already close to be finished (except LeBrave versus Max1muS which took a bit longer). They had a long first round that Ledger won, but still acceptable, and after that, Hokej simply started to do what he is famous for, hence basically doing upstabs only, extremly long and unnecessary holds, and lots lots lots of blocking. After 15min of this, and the score still being 1-0, I told both of them to actually start playing. They continued to remain extremly passive for another good 10-20 mins, just sometimes not even fighting and simply looking at eachothers passively and this despite a few other warnings. I took the time to consider all the options I had and after already 3hs of a good but tiring tournament, I decided to disqualify both of them, as they both played the exact same way and I had not a single reason to disqualify one player but not the other, given none of them made a single effort to try playing differently. We discussed with Haze and ExtaaZz and given both are good friends, I saw no reason not to allow them playing the final at a later stage which both were fine with, as it was already getting rather late for everyone.

This actually sets a precedent, as I believe not a single person had been disqualified due to their 'playstyle' in a duel tournament before. However let this be known. I'm hosting a duel tournament to offer people an opportunity to prove their talent, enjoy both playing and watching other good players fight but certainly not to encourage someone to sit in front of his computer for litteraly dozen of hours in order to get a chance to earn some E-fame. At the end of the day it remains a game which you're supposed to enjoy. Yes, the NW mechanics are rather simple which can lead to such situations but there is a clear difference bewteen being a good but rather passive player and making up for your lack of overall skills by refusing to take a single risk, and basically just blocking all the time. What Hokej is doing, isn't asking any sort of particular skill, just a lot of patience. Anyone can do it, including myself. Most of the players however do play this game because they love it and are not even remotely interest into ruinning it like Hokej does.

I also make a clear difference between Ledger and Hokej because Ledger has played other duels were he wasn't passive to such extreme. Ledger simply didn't want to give up that easily so he decided to play the exact same way his opponent was doing, while knowing it could potentially lead to an endless duel. I respect Ledger both as a player and as a person, but in that particular situation, I had no choice but to disqualify him aswell. However to prevent such things from happening again, I decided to not accept Hokej for any future 1v1 tournament I might host. The game ain't fixing itself, so it must be the community role to actually step-up and refuse to accept playing against or with people wich by their in-game behaviour and because they're eager to prove themselve to an online community, are fine with ruining a game we all enjoy. I do understand this a decision which some people could disagree with, and I'm aware banning a player because his playstyle is cancerous isn't an actual solution. But as I said, since NW mechanics are way too easy to abuse due to their simplicity, I do not have an other solution I find satisfying. If you're actually capable to spend a whole day or night sitting in front of your computer (because Hokej made it clear to me on steam he had absolutely no problem playing the whole day if it was necessary) to watch and referee this mess, then I will let you host the next 1v1 with joy. As far as I'm concerned, I have other standards which I aim to developp in my tournament.

As for the challonge, since the tournament has to continue, I was forced to pick a winner, so that's why Ledger is seen getting the default over Hokej. But they actually got both disqualified. I wanted to explain the situation because I like to have as much transparancy as possible as admin, not to create any drama or starts a hate-train on a certain player. So please, remain respectful in your comments, no matter if you agree or disagree with the decision I came up with.

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I also don't want people to believe that because of this single issue, the tournament wasn't good. I had a lot of fun hosting it, it was really great to have so many people (almost a hundred, not bad for a 'dead game') and I want to thank every one of you for attending. Really made me happy and also got myself some confidence back after the unfortunate turn of events during the last 1v1 EU Event I hosted, some years ago, which caused the tournament not to happen. I received a lot of positive feedbacks after the event so I'm confident the event was quite appreciated aswell.

Also thanks to my amazing referee team, Lone, Sleek, Krytenn, Harford, Kennedy, Messius, Nero, Raii, which all did a fantastic work, getting the tournament to run as smoothly as possible. Nothing would have been possible without those guys and its quite a positive feeling to get to work with mature, serious and respectful people like you. Hope I can get you guys back for the next event, would ensure it to have the same level of professionalism this one had.

A big reason why we got the tournament to work that well was also the fact we had two servers, thanks to John Price, the 18e leader, and BigRedOne, a former NW french player. Price took care of the situation while not being at home and Pluto (his second in command) also helped me a lot setting up the server while Price wasn't reachable. And BRO offered me a 200 slot servers, two or three hours before the event starts, getting it ready in the blink of an eye since Maharbaal had some issues with the 85e server. Those guys are absolute top lads, so glad I could count on them.

The tournament isn't obviously over yet, and the final is set-up for Friday Evening. (Might change, will let you guys know in any case if some people want to watch it, I will make sure to record it anyways). I tried to prioritize the players preferences to pick the day for the final, as I don't think many players really care about the result (Haze or ExtaaZz winning). But on what is going to happen next, I don't know yet. I don't think I will host a tournament before the summer holidays, nor during. There are enough tournament about to start (the 6v6 hosted by Kore, the 5v5 by MightyPain) in June, and the NWGFL and the NWWC still going on for some weeks. And summer break ain't a good time for tournament, atleast to my eyes.

On the format, I'm pretty sure it won't be a 1v1. Not because of what happened but because I think its good to try to space out those events as much as possible. People are starting to feel a bit tired of the French Superiority in 1v1 or 2v2 and while I would be tempted to tell them its just about spending much more times in order to beat them, I also agree with the comment Maurice made a while ago about this. The game is getting older and older as the days go and if we don't want more people to continue leaving, its important we try to get some real competitions going, and just not have the same people winning tournament in a row. No disrespect to ExtaaZz, Haze or LeBrave, which are without a doubt three of the greatest duelist player of all times, but their opponents actually don't necesseraly have the time or willingness to spend as much time as they do on the game anymore. Not having Axiom and Tiberias to sign-up was actually a hit to the tournament quality in term of players. same with Clash signing-up but sadly not being able to attend. Not much I can personally do, but if I was to host another 1v1 tournament soon, I think we would end-up seeing the exact same result.

tltr ; Thanks all for joining and for your trust, see you in September / November hopefully for another tournament (Not 1v1 tho).

Im pretty sure tournament's quality in terms of players were fine , I believe I pushed extaz to limits even though losing him 3-2 it was really close and last round was anyone's game . So If you are not satisfied by the "quality" of the attendance that will eventually face Lebrave , extazz and haze tell us not to sign up at all . In Hokej - Ledger situation I'd definitely give Ledger the default instead of disqualification to both simple reason is that Hokej refused to use of down stab to gain superiority over ledger with holding his up-stabs at this point Ledger has nothing to do but adapt his playstyle and take it slow yes this is a game everybody should enjoy it but some people wants to win it . Ledger wanted to win , If I were him I'd take more risks try to chamber those up-stab holds but I'd probably lose to Hokej so simply I see nothing wrong with ledger adapting his playstyle . Sadly we are not some frenchie or british player to have 10-20 ping and feint crazy into trick hokej blocking wrong which would probably never happen aswell as theres only 2 way block its really hard , ledger plays with 47+ ping which limits his capabilities to some extend even though hes really talented . By disqualifiying them both you are simply imply that ledger should have took the risks to try kill Hokej here which is the silliest thing I've heard , why would I take the risk instead of my opponent who is being a total douche bag doing only up-stabs and blocking without attacking ? Logical action here would be giving default win to Ledger over Hokej and letting him play against Extaz which I believe Ledger will lose probably , it wont change the final's name but it will be more just .

[Ledger]

not sure if saying to someone he plays more or equally cancer than hokej is a complement

Someone didn't understand Haze's post.

I did and I agree with haze, you're both carcinogenic cunts that wasted everyone's time and guy refereeing your match will probably die of a brain tumour within the next 7 days.

My master just offended me ;-;

[Lone]

Spoiler

Regarding what happened in the Quarter-Final bewteen Hokej and Ledger, just gonna actually give some clarifications about my decision aswell as some background story for those who were not on the server at the time. Couldn't post earlier since FSE was down.

On the Hokej-Ledger Incident

Hokej had a duel versus Desant before, which, despite the score (5-0), took a really long time. So basically when Hokej and Ledger started playing their quarter-final match, most of the other matches were already close to be finished (except LeBrave versus Max1muS which took a bit longer). They had a long first round that Ledger won, but still acceptable, and after that, Hokej simply started to do what he is famous for, hence basically doing upstabs only, extremly long and unnecessary holds, and lots lots lots of blocking. After 15min of this, and the score still being 1-0, I told both of them to actually start playing. They continued to remain extremly passive for another good 10-20 mins, just sometimes not even fighting and simply looking at eachothers passively and this despite a few other warnings. I took the time to consider all the options I had and after already 3hs of a good but tiring tournament, I decided to disqualify both of them, as they both played the exact same way and I had not a single reason to disqualify one player but not the other, given none of them made a single effort to try playing differently. We discussed with Haze and ExtaaZz and given both are good friends, I saw no reason not to allow them playing the final at a later stage which both were fine with, as it was already getting rather late for everyone.

This actually sets a precedent, as I believe not a single person had been disqualified due to their 'playstyle' in a duel tournament before. However let this be known. I'm hosting a duel tournament to offer people an opportunity to prove their talent, enjoy both playing and watching other good players fight but certainly not to encourage someone to sit in front of his computer for litteraly dozen of hours in order to get a chance to earn some E-fame. At the end of the day it remains a game which you're supposed to enjoy. Yes, the NW mechanics are rather simple which can lead to such situations but there is a clear difference bewteen being a good but rather passive player and making up for your lack of overall skills by refusing to take a single risk, and basically just blocking all the time. What Hokej is doing, isn't asking any sort of particular skill, just a lot of patience. Anyone can do it, including myself. Most of the players however do play this game because they love it and are not even remotely interest into ruinning it like Hokej does.

I also make a clear difference between Ledger and Hokej because Ledger has played other duels were he wasn't passive to such extreme. Ledger simply didn't want to give up that easily so he decided to play the exact same way his opponent was doing, while knowing it could potentially lead to an endless duel. I respect Ledger both as a player and as a person, but in that particular situation, I had no choice but to disqualify him aswell. However to prevent such things from happening again, I decided to not accept Hokej for any future 1v1 tournament I might host. The game ain't fixing itself, so it must be the community role to actually step-up and refuse to accept playing against or with people wich by their in-game behaviour and because they're eager to prove themselve to an online community, are fine with ruining a game we all enjoy. I do understand this a decision which some people could disagree with, and I'm aware banning a player because his playstyle is cancerous isn't an actual solution. But as I said, since NW mechanics are way too easy to abuse due to their simplicity, I do not have an other solution I find satisfying. If you're actually capable to spend a whole day or night sitting in front of your computer (because Hokej made it clear to me on steam he had absolutely no problem playing the whole day if it was necessary) to watch and referee this mess, then I will let you host the next 1v1 with joy. As far as I'm concerned, I have other standards which I aim to developp in my tournament.

As for the challonge, since the tournament has to continue, I was forced to pick a winner, so that's why Ledger is seen getting the default over Hokej. But they actually got both disqualified. I wanted to explain the situation because I like to have as much transparancy as possible as admin, not to create any drama or starts a hate-train on a certain player. So please, remain respectful in your comments, no matter if you agree or disagree with the decision I came up with.

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I also don't want people to believe that because of this single issue, the tournament wasn't good. I had a lot of fun hosting it, it was really great to have so many people (almost a hundred, not bad for a 'dead game') and I want to thank every one of you for attending. Really made me happy and also got myself some confidence back after the unfortunate turn of events during the last 1v1 EU Event I hosted, some years ago, which caused the tournament not to happen. I received a lot of positive feedbacks after the event so I'm confident the event was quite appreciated aswell.

Also thanks to my amazing referee team, Lone, Sleek, Krytenn, Harford, Kennedy, Messius, Nero, Raii, which all did a fantastic work, getting the tournament to run as smoothly as possible. Nothing would have been possible without those guys and its quite a positive feeling to get to work with mature, serious and respectful people like you. Hope I can get you guys back for the next event, would ensure it to have the same level of professionalism this one had.

A big reason why we got the tournament to work that well was also the fact we had two servers, thanks to John Price, the 18e leader, and BigRedOne, a former NW french player. Price took care of the situation while not being at home and Pluto (his second in command) also helped me a lot setting up the server while Price wasn't reachable. And BRO offered me a 200 slot servers, two or three hours before the event starts, getting it ready in the blink of an eye since Maharbaal had some issues with the 85e server. Those guys are absolute top lads, so glad I could count on them.

The tournament isn't obviously over yet, and the final is set-up for Friday Evening. (Might change, will let you guys know in any case if some people want to watch it, I will make sure to record it anyways). I tried to prioritize the players preferences to pick the day for the final, as I don't think many players really care about the result (Haze or ExtaaZz winning). But on what is going to happen next, I don't know yet. I don't think I will host a tournament before the summer holidays, nor during. There are enough tournament about to start (the 6v6 hosted by Kore, the 5v5 by MightyPain) in June, and the NWGFL and the NWWC still going on for some weeks. And summer break ain't a good time for tournament, atleast to my eyes.

On the format, I'm pretty sure it won't be a 1v1. Not because of what happened but because I think its good to try to space out those events as much as possible. People are starting to feel a bit tired of the French Superiority in 1v1 or 2v2 and while I would be tempted to tell them its just about spending much more times in order to beat them, I also agree with the comment Maurice made a while ago about this. The game is getting older and older as the days go and if we don't want more people to continue leaving, its important we try to get some real competitions going, and just not have the same people winning tournament in a row. No disrespect to ExtaaZz, Haze or LeBrave, which are without a doubt three of the greatest duelist player of all times, but their opponents actually don't necesseraly have the time or willingness to spend as much time as they do on the game anymore. Not having Axiom and Tiberias to sign-up was actually a hit to the tournament quality in term of players. same with Clash signing-up but sadly not being able to attend. Not much I can personally do, but if I was to host another 1v1 tournament soon, I think we would end-up seeing the exact same result.

tltr ; Thanks all for joining and for your trust, see you in September / November hopefully for another tournament (Not 1v1 tho).

Im pretty sure tournament's quality in terms of players were fine , I believe I pushed extaz to limits even though losing him 3-2 it was really close and last round was anyone's game . So If you are not satisfied by the "quality" of the attendance that will eventually face Lebrave , extazz and haze tell us not to sign up at all . In Hokej - Ledger situation I'd definitely give Ledger the default instead of disqualification to both simple reason is that Hokej refused to use of down stab to gain superiority over ledger with holding his up-stabs at this point Ledger has nothing to do but adapt his playstyle and take it slow yes this is a game everybody should enjoy it but some people wants to win it . Ledger wanted to win , If I were him I'd take more risks try to chamber those up-stab holds but I'd probably lose to Hokej so simply I see nothing wrong with ledger adapting his playstyle . Sadly we are not some frenchie or british player to have 10-20 ping and feint crazy into trick hokej blocking wrong which would probably never happen aswell as theres only 2 way block its really hard , ledger plays with 47+ ping which limits his capabilities to some extend even though hes really talented . By disqualifiying them both you are simply imply that ledger should have took the risks to try kill Hokej here which is the silliest thing I've heard , why would I take the risk instead of my opponent who is being a total douche bag doing only up-stabs and blocking without attacking ? Logical action here would be giving default win to Ledger over Hokej and letting him play against Extaz which I believe Ledger will lose probably , it wont change the final's name but it will be more just .

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Not agreeing here. Ledger said it himself some posts ago, that happens when two passive players meet. And if Tardet disqualifies a player (what was the right decision) for being too passive, you can't blame one of them, since both are passive. There's always two people belonging to a duel. You either disqualify both, or none at all. Everything else would be unfair, since as you stated yourself both (!) could have played more aggressive. What if Hokej went more aggressive and Ledger kept being equally passive, would you blame Ledger then? Don't think so.
Tardet did everything right.. + it's their good right to play like they want, that's also why I don't really get the hate on hokej, he just played his tactic that made him winning before, so did ledger in consequence. And out

[DayBoul]

Regarding what happened in the Quarter-Final bewteen Hokej and Ledger, just gonna actually give some clarifications about my decision aswell as some background story for those who were not on the server at the time. Couldn't post earlier since FSE was down.

On the Hokej-Ledger Incident

Hokej had a duel versus Desant before, which, despite the score (5-0), took a really long time. So basically when Hokej and Ledger started playing their quarter-final match, most of the other matches were already close to be finished (except LeBrave versus Max1muS which took a bit longer). They had a long first round that Ledger won, but still acceptable, and after that, Hokej simply started to do what he is famous for, hence basically doing upstabs only, extremly long and unnecessary holds, and lots lots lots of blocking. After 15min of this, and the score still being 1-0, I told both of them to actually start playing. They continued to remain extremly passive for another good 10-20 mins, just sometimes not even fighting and simply looking at eachothers passively and this despite a few other warnings. I took the time to consider all the options I had and after already 3hs of a good but tiring tournament, I decided to disqualify both of them, as they both played the exact same way and I had not a single reason to disqualify one player but not the other, given none of them made a single effort to try playing differently. We discussed with Haze and ExtaaZz and given both are good friends, I saw no reason not to allow them playing the final at a later stage which both were fine with, as it was already getting rather late for everyone.

This actually sets a precedent, as I believe not a single person had been disqualified due to their 'playstyle' in a duel tournament before. However let this be known. I'm hosting a duel tournament to offer people an opportunity to prove their talent, enjoy both playing and watching other good players fight but certainly not to encourage someone to sit in front of his computer for litteraly dozen of hours in order to get a chance to earn some E-fame. At the end of the day it remains a game which you're supposed to enjoy. Yes, the NW mechanics are rather simple which can lead to such situations but there is a clear difference bewteen being a good but rather passive player and making up for your lack of overall skills by refusing to take a single risk, and basically just blocking all the time. What Hokej is doing, isn't asking any sort of particular skill, just a lot of patience. Anyone can do it, including myself. Most of the players however do play this game because they love it and are not even remotely interest into ruinning it like Hokej does.

I also make a clear difference between Ledger and Hokej because Ledger has played other duels were he wasn't passive to such extreme. Ledger simply didn't want to give up that easily so he decided to play the exact same way his opponent was doing, while knowing it could potentially lead to an endless duel. I respect Ledger both as a player and as a person, but in that particular situation, I had no choice but to disqualify him aswell. However to prevent such things from happening again, I decided to not accept Hokej for any future 1v1 tournament I might host. The game ain't fixing itself, so it must be the community role to actually step-up and refuse to accept playing against or with people wich by their in-game behaviour and because they're eager to prove themselve to an online community, are fine with ruining a game we all enjoy. I do understand this a decision which some people could disagree with, and I'm aware banning a player because his playstyle is cancerous isn't an actual solution. But as I said, since NW mechanics are way too easy to abuse due to their simplicity, I do not have an other solution I find satisfying. If you're actually capable to spend a whole day or night sitting in front of your computer (because Hokej made it clear to me on steam he had absolutely no problem playing the whole day if it was necessary) to watch and referee this mess, then I will let you host the next 1v1 with joy. As far as I'm concerned, I have other standards which I aim to developp in my tournament.

As for the challonge, since the tournament has to continue, I was forced to pick a winner, so that's why Ledger is seen getting the default over Hokej. But they actually got both disqualified. I wanted to explain the situation because I like to have as much transparancy as possible as admin, not to create any drama or starts a hate-train on a certain player. So please, remain respectful in your comments, no matter if you agree or disagree with the decision I came up with.

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I also don't want people to believe that because of this single issue, the tournament wasn't good. I had a lot of fun hosting it, it was really great to have so many people (almost a hundred, not bad for a 'dead game') and I want to thank every one of you for attending. Really made me happy and also got myself some confidence back after the unfortunate turn of events during the last 1v1 EU Event I hosted, some years ago, which caused the tournament not to happen. I received a lot of positive feedbacks after the event so I'm confident the event was quite appreciated aswell.

Also thanks to my amazing referee team, Lone, Sleek, Krytenn, Harford, Kennedy, Messius, Nero, Raii, which all did a fantastic work, getting the tournament to run as smoothly as possible. Nothing would have been possible without those guys and its quite a positive feeling to get to work with mature, serious and respectful people like you. Hope I can get you guys back for the next event, would ensure it to have the same level of professionalism this one had.

A big reason why we got the tournament to work that well was also the fact we had two servers, thanks to John Price, the 18e leader, and BigRedOne, a former NW french player. Price took care of the situation while not being at home and Pluto (his second in command) also helped me a lot setting up the server while Price wasn't reachable. And BRO offered me a 200 slot servers, two or three hours before the event starts, getting it ready in the blink of an eye since Maharbaal had some issues with the 85e server. Those guys are absolute top lads, so glad I could count on them.

The tournament isn't obviously over yet, and the final is set-up for Friday Evening. (Might change, will let you guys know in any case if some people want to watch it, I will make sure to record it anyways). I tried to prioritize the players preferences to pick the day for the final, as I don't think many players really care about the result (Haze or ExtaaZz winning). But on what is going to happen next, I don't know yet. I don't think I will host a tournament before the summer holidays, nor during. There are enough tournament about to start (the 6v6 hosted by Kore, the 5v5 by MightyPain) in June, and the NWGFL and the NWWC still going on for some weeks. And summer break ain't a good time for tournament, atleast to my eyes.

On the format, I'm pretty sure it won't be a 1v1. Not because of what happened but because I think its good to try to space out those events as much as possible. People are starting to feel a bit tired of the French Superiority in 1v1 or 2v2 and while I would be tempted to tell them its just about spending much more times in order to beat them, I also agree with the comment Maurice made a while ago about this. The game is getting older and older as the days go and if we don't want more people to continue leaving, its important we try to get some real competitions going, and just not have the same people winning tournament in a row. No disrespect to ExtaaZz, Haze or LeBrave, which are without a doubt three of the greatest duelist player of all times, but their opponents actually don't necesseraly have the time or willingness to spend as much time as they do on the game anymore. Not having Axiom and Tiberias to sign-up was actually a hit to the tournament quality in term of players. same with Clash signing-up but sadly not being able to attend. Not much I can personally do, but if I was to host another 1v1 tournament soon, I think we would end-up seeing the exact same result.

tltr ; Thanks all for joining and for your trust, see you in September / November hopefully for another tournament (Not 1v1 tho).

as theres only 2 way block

dayboul disagrees

[Harford]

Spoiler

Regarding what happened in the Quarter-Final bewteen Hokej and Ledger, just gonna actually give some clarifications about my decision aswell as some background story for those who were not on the server at the time. Couldn't post earlier since FSE was down.

On the Hokej-Ledger Incident

Hokej had a duel versus Desant before, which, despite the score (5-0), took a really long time. So basically when Hokej and Ledger started playing their quarter-final match, most of the other matches were already close to be finished (except LeBrave versus Max1muS which took a bit longer). They had a long first round that Ledger won, but still acceptable, and after that, Hokej simply started to do what he is famous for, hence basically doing upstabs only, extremly long and unnecessary holds, and lots lots lots of blocking. After 15min of this, and the score still being 1-0, I told both of them to actually start playing. They continued to remain extremly passive for another good 10-20 mins, just sometimes not even fighting and simply looking at eachothers passively and this despite a few other warnings. I took the time to consider all the options I had and after already 3hs of a good but tiring tournament, I decided to disqualify both of them, as they both played the exact same way and I had not a single reason to disqualify one player but not the other, given none of them made a single effort to try playing differently. We discussed with Haze and ExtaaZz and given both are good friends, I saw no reason not to allow them playing the final at a later stage which both were fine with, as it was already getting rather late for everyone.

This actually sets a precedent, as I believe not a single person had been disqualified due to their 'playstyle' in a duel tournament before. However let this be known. I'm hosting a duel tournament to offer people an opportunity to prove their talent, enjoy both playing and watching other good players fight but certainly not to encourage someone to sit in front of his computer for litteraly dozen of hours in order to get a chance to earn some E-fame. At the end of the day it remains a game which you're supposed to enjoy. Yes, the NW mechanics are rather simple which can lead to such situations but there is a clear difference bewteen being a good but rather passive player and making up for your lack of overall skills by refusing to take a single risk, and basically just blocking all the time. What Hokej is doing, isn't asking any sort of particular skill, just a lot of patience. Anyone can do it, including myself. Most of the players however do play this game because they love it and are not even remotely interest into ruinning it like Hokej does.

I also make a clear difference between Ledger and Hokej because Ledger has played other duels were he wasn't passive to such extreme. Ledger simply didn't want to give up that easily so he decided to play the exact same way his opponent was doing, while knowing it could potentially lead to an endless duel. I respect Ledger both as a player and as a person, but in that particular situation, I had no choice but to disqualify him aswell. However to prevent such things from happening again, I decided to not accept Hokej for any future 1v1 tournament I might host. The game ain't fixing itself, so it must be the community role to actually step-up and refuse to accept playing against or with people wich by their in-game behaviour and because they're eager to prove themselve to an online community, are fine with ruining a game we all enjoy. I do understand this a decision which some people could disagree with, and I'm aware banning a player because his playstyle is cancerous isn't an actual solution. But as I said, since NW mechanics are way too easy to abuse due to their simplicity, I do not have an other solution I find satisfying. If you're actually capable to spend a whole day or night sitting in front of your computer (because Hokej made it clear to me on steam he had absolutely no problem playing the whole day if it was necessary) to watch and referee this mess, then I will let you host the next 1v1 with joy. As far as I'm concerned, I have other standards which I aim to developp in my tournament.

As for the challonge, since the tournament has to continue, I was forced to pick a winner, so that's why Ledger is seen getting the default over Hokej. But they actually got both disqualified. I wanted to explain the situation because I like to have as much transparancy as possible as admin, not to create any drama or starts a hate-train on a certain player. So please, remain respectful in your comments, no matter if you agree or disagree with the decision I came up with.

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I also don't want people to believe that because of this single issue, the tournament wasn't good. I had a lot of fun hosting it, it was really great to have so many people (almost a hundred, not bad for a 'dead game') and I want to thank every one of you for attending. Really made me happy and also got myself some confidence back after the unfortunate turn of events during the last 1v1 EU Event I hosted, some years ago, which caused the tournament not to happen. I received a lot of positive feedbacks after the event so I'm confident the event was quite appreciated aswell.

Also thanks to my amazing referee team, Lone, Sleek, Krytenn, Harford, Kennedy, Messius, Nero, Raii, which all did a fantastic work, getting the tournament to run as smoothly as possible. Nothing would have been possible without those guys and its quite a positive feeling to get to work with mature, serious and respectful people like you. Hope I can get you guys back for the next event, would ensure it to have the same level of professionalism this one had.

A big reason why we got the tournament to work that well was also the fact we had two servers, thanks to John Price, the 18e leader, and BigRedOne, a former NW french player. Price took care of the situation while not being at home and Pluto (his second in command) also helped me a lot setting up the server while Price wasn't reachable. And BRO offered me a 200 slot servers, two or three hours before the event starts, getting it ready in the blink of an eye since Maharbaal had some issues with the 85e server. Those guys are absolute top lads, so glad I could count on them.

The tournament isn't obviously over yet, and the final is set-up for Friday Evening. (Might change, will let you guys know in any case if some people want to watch it, I will make sure to record it anyways). I tried to prioritize the players preferences to pick the day for the final, as I don't think many players really care about the result (Haze or ExtaaZz winning). But on what is going to happen next, I don't know yet. I don't think I will host a tournament before the summer holidays, nor during. There are enough tournament about to start (the 6v6 hosted by Kore, the 5v5 by MightyPain) in June, and the NWGFL and the NWWC still going on for some weeks. And summer break ain't a good time for tournament, atleast to my eyes.

On the format, I'm pretty sure it won't be a 1v1. Not because of what happened but because I think its good to try to space out those events as much as possible. People are starting to feel a bit tired of the French Superiority in 1v1 or 2v2 and while I would be tempted to tell them its just about spending much more times in order to beat them, I also agree with the comment Maurice made a while ago about this. The game is getting older and older as the days go and if we don't want more people to continue leaving, its important we try to get some real competitions going, and just not have the same people winning tournament in a row. No disrespect to ExtaaZz, Haze or LeBrave, which are without a doubt three of the greatest duelist player of all times, but their opponents actually don't necesseraly have the time or willingness to spend as much time as they do on the game anymore. Not having Axiom and Tiberias to sign-up was actually a hit to the tournament quality in term of players. same with Clash signing-up but sadly not being able to attend. Not much I can personally do, but if I was to host another 1v1 tournament soon, I think we would end-up seeing the exact same result.

tltr ; Thanks all for joining and for your trust, see you in September / November hopefully for another tournament (Not 1v1 tho).

Im pretty sure tournament's quality in terms of players were fine , I believe I pushed extaz to limits even though losing him 3-2 it was really close and last round was anyone's game . So If you are not satisfied by the "quality" of the attendance that will eventually face Lebrave , extazz and haze tell us not to sign up at all . In Hokej - Ledger situation I'd definitely give Ledger the default instead of disqualification to both simple reason is that Hokej refused to use of down stab to gain superiority over ledger with holding his up-stabs at this point Ledger has nothing to do but adapt his playstyle and take it slow yes this is a game everybody should enjoy it but some people wants to win it . Ledger wanted to win , If I were him I'd take more risks try to chamber those up-stab holds but I'd probably lose to Hokej so simply I see nothing wrong with ledger adapting his playstyle . Sadly we are not some frenchie or british player to have 10-20 ping and feint crazy into trick hokej blocking wrong which would probably never happen aswell as theres only 2 way block its really hard , ledger plays with 47+ ping which limits his capabilities to some extend even though hes really talented . By disqualifiying them both you are simply imply that ledger should have took the risks to try kill Hokej here which is the silliest thing I've heard , why would I take the risk instead of my opponent who is being a total douche bag doing only up-stabs and blocking without attacking ? Logical action here would be giving default win to Ledger over Hokej and letting him play against Extaz which I believe Ledger will lose probably , it wont change the final's name but it will be more just .

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Not agreeing here. Ledger said it himself some posts ago, that happens when two passive players meet. And if Tardet disqualifies a player (what was the right decision) for being too passive, you can't blame one of them, since both are passive. There's always two people belonging to a duel. You either disqualify both, or none at all. Everything else would be unfair, since as you stated yourself both (!) could have played more aggressive. What if Hokej went more aggressive and Ledger kept being equally passive, would you blame Ledger then? Don't think so.
Tardet did everything right.. + it's their good right to play like they want, that's also why I don't really get the hate on hokej, he just played his tactic that made him winning before, so did ledger in consequence. And out

agreed with that migrant

[Stroke0fd34th]

For some reason when I signed up I thought this was being hosted on the 17th, not the 13th, sorry about not showing up.

[Tardet]

For some reason when I signed up I thought this was being hosted on the 17th, not the 13th, sorry about not showing up.

All fine, each tournament many players don't attend for various reasons, thanks for posting a message about it, appreciated.

Im pretty sure tournament's quality in terms of players were fine , I believe I pushed extaz to limits even though losing him 3-2 it was really close and last round was anyone's game . So If you are not satisfied by the "quality" of the attendance that will eventually face Lebrave , extazz and haze tell us not to sign up at all .

I will only quote this since the rest got answered by Lone, not gonna repeat the same thing twice. You're free to believe what you want, not here to convince you anyways, but I will just add that would have I choosed one player over the other to go through - considering they played the exact same way - knowing Ledger is a good friend and someone I have a high respect for, that could have appeared like the most biased decision ever. Even Ledger agreed I took the right decision back then when we talked about it on steam, considering the situation. You're just repeating arguments he already used, but that you don't quite understand like he does, so I will stick to what Ledger and I discussed if you don't mind.

As for the 'tournament quality', as the host, what you want is your tournament to be organized the most perfect way possible, but also in case of a competitive event, to have the best players possible ever. I'm just being pragmatic here and saying that would Axiom and Tiberias had been there, the final top3 result could have been possibly a bit different. Did I say I wasn't happy about the tournament quality though? I didn't. We had many great duelist, some going out earlier than expected actually. I just got the Top 3 I expected, and while I respect Haze, ExtaaZz and LeBrave's performances, I like to be surprised, and when big upsets happen. That's it.

Now I appreciate you Rebel, and I'm saying that without trying to offend you, but to my eyes, you're just getting a bit carried away due to your result against ExtaaZz and see direspect where there is none. Your performance actually surprised me, not gonna lie, and means you could have probably went a bit further in the tournament if you hadn't meet ExtaaZz so early BUT, it was a Ft3, which is extremly short and often can lead to potential upest aaaaand .. you still lost. I could be wrong, but I really think that would you and ExtaaZz re-do a Ft5 or Ft7 10 times, ExtaaZz would win comfortably 9 or 10 times out of this. And that doesn't make you a bad player either, far from it, cause you're not (you're actually way better than me) just not a top duelist either yet.

I was happy with anyone showing up, you included, as you were all a reason of why the tournament was successful. So don't take my comment for what its not please.


The final has been set-up to this Friday 20:00BST. I will post an announcement as soon as possible for the server so people who want to watch can. Same rules will apply though, everyone stay spec.

[Harford]

tbf i should have go in the final but as a ref i just cant play, right lone?

[Lone]

tbf i should have go in the final but as a ref i just cant play, right lone?

shh

[Alator]

Im pretty sure tournament's quality in terms of players were fine , I believe I pushed extaz to limits even though losing him 3-2 it was really close and last round was anyone's game . So If you are not satisfied by the "quality" of the attendance that will eventually face Lebrave , extazz and haze tell us not to sign up at all .

Now I appreciate you Rebel, and I'm saying that without trying to offend you, but to my eyes, you're just getting a bit carried away due to your result against ExtaaZz and see direspect where there is none. Your performance actually surprised me, not gonna lie, and means you could have probably went a bit further in the tournament if you hadn't meet ExtaaZz so early BUT, it was a Ft3, which is extremly short and often can lead to potential upest aaaaand .. you still lost. I could be wrong, but I really think that would you and ExtaaZz re-do a Ft5 or Ft7 10 times, ExtaaZz would win comfortably 9 or 10 times out of this. And that doesn't make you a bad player either, far from it, cause you're not (you're actually way better than me) just not a top duelist either yet.

I was happy with anyone showing up, you included, as you were all a reason of why the tournament was successful. So don't take my comment for what its not please.

I disagree, Rebel's ft3 was ExtaZz was close (I watched the entire thing), not only score-wise and I doubt that ExtaZz could beat him comfortably. Rebel used the fact that Extazz likes to keep his distance and feint for extended periods of time before stabbing, and kept interrupting him and prevented him from playing like he normally does. Something that resulted in that Extazz often blocked blocked multiple stabs before actually stabbing himself. Worth mentioning is that Rebel took a lot of risks, something that ExtaZz refrained from doing, nearly every stab that ExtaZz released was a hold for example, despite Rebel's ping being 6-7x higher. And like Rebel said, that last duel could have gone either way, as both sides landed solid stabs on the other. If Rebel lost repeatedly in ft7s for example, I'd say it would be more due to that Rebel doesn't have the patience that ExtaZz has and would eventually grow bored, rather than ExtaZz being much better than Rebel is.

[David_Schrein]

Movement v Muha would take longer tbh