Hekko! What a lad, 100% agree with you, I agree with this shit admining and i stay away from the game now :(, this need to be changed.This has to be the first time I can actually agree with Mike. It wasn't nearly this bad back on Taleworlds, but within a week of coming to this forum things went from bad to worse.
Mugir ces féroces soldats!
Mugir ces féroces soldats!
Then we have the case about appointing admins. Apparently it's okay for Vince to appoint Kitty to a very senior adminposition by virtue of being his girlfriend, while when CarolusRex applies through normal channels, gets a bunch of +1 ones from current admins, he is denied based on the fact that he was a member of the 15e. Irregardless of the fact that he is competent and the fact that the 15e does no longer exist. So nepotism and cronyism is fine, where as using the reverse version to block a competent admin is apparently fine as well.Inconsistency at it's finest!
Mugir ces féroces soldats!
Mugir vont ces soldats féroces*
Mugir ces féroces soldats!
Mugir vont ces soldats féroces*
Oh I looked at the official lyrics :P
Mugir ces féroces soldats!
Mugir vont ces soldats féroces*
Oh I looked at the official lyrics :P
what film , where ?
We have finally found something the entire community can believe in. +9001 internet points for Hekko.I wouldn't say the entire community.
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Now, as we are all posting our agreement, I think it is time we make a list of...well...demands.+1
My demands:
1. It's permitted to criticize an admin in a polite (yet strong) way. Words as 'Noobz' and 'badmin' are not to be used.
- If an admin does something, he should be able to defend this action. If not, maybe the action was unnecessary.
2. The administration-system is done by the book, and without favoritism.
Now, as we are all posting our agreement, I think it is time we make a list of...well...demands.
My demands:
1. It's permitted to criticize an admin in a polite (yet strong) way. Words as 'Noobz' and 'badmin' are not to be used.
- If an admin does something, he should be able to defend this action. If not, maybe the action was unnecessary.
2. The administration-system is done by the book, and without favoritism.
Now, as we are all posting our agreement, I think it is time we make a list of...well...demands.
My demands:
1. It's permitted to criticize an admin in a polite (yet strong) way. Words as 'Noobz' and 'badmin' are not to be used.
- If an admin does something, he should be able to defend this action. If not, maybe the action was unnecessary.
2. The administration-system is done by the book, and without favoritism.
Now, as we are all posting our agreement, I think it is time we make a list of...well...demands.
My demands:
1. It's permitted to criticize an admin in a polite (yet strong) way. Words as 'Noobz' and 'badmin' are not to be used.
- If an admin does something, he should be able to defend this action. If not, maybe the action was unnecessary.
2. The administration-system is done by the book, and without favoritism.
Your #2 will never work :( Nepotism is strong in everything in the world. :P
This is a pretty serious issue and I agree on almost all points, but I am a little concerned already that some people have, as Vikestad said, joined the 'bandwagon' and people are already posting all these stupid videos, pictures, gifs etc without actually discussing their thoughts. This really needs to be talked out and I'd like more people to post their opinions, instead of this devolving into the meme fest which was the Champions of Europe.
So speak up people!
This is a pretty serious issue and I agree on almost all points, but I am a little concerned already that some people have, as Vikestad said, joined the 'bandwagon' and people are already posting all these stupid videos, pictures, gifs etc without actually discussing their thoughts. This really needs to be talked out and I'd like more people to post their opinions, instead of this devolving into the meme fest which was the Champions of Europe.
This is a pretty serious issue and I agree on almost all points, but I am a little concerned already that some people have, as Vikestad said, joined the 'bandwagon' and people are already posting all these stupid videos, pictures, gifs etc without actually discussing their thoughts. This really needs to be talked out and I'd like more people to post their opinions, instead of this devolving into the meme fest which was the Champions of Europe.
So speak up people!
This is a pretty serious issue and I agree on almost all points, but I am a little concerned already that some people have, as Vikestad said, joined the 'bandwagon' and people are already posting all these stupid videos, pictures, gifs etc without actually discussing their thoughts. This really needs to be talked out and I'd like more people to post their opinions, instead of this devolving into the meme fest which was the Champions of Europe.
This. I think it's incredibly important to maintain a serious discussion & debate in order to come up to an agreement. So please guys, do not for the love of Thor post popcorn pictures or write down blatant shit w/e.
This is a pretty serious issue and I agree on almost all points, but I am a little concerned already that some people have, as Vikestad said, joined the 'bandwagon' and people are already posting all these stupid videos, pictures, gifs etc without actually discussing their thoughts. This really needs to be talked out and I'd like more people to post their opinions, instead of this devolving into the meme fest which was the Champions of Europe.
This. I think it's incredibly important to maintain a serious discussion & debate in order to come up to an agreement. So please guys, do not for the love of Thor post popcorn pictures or write down blatant shit w/e.
I asked for it before and I totally agree with this. Whether it be in this thread or a new one, I would like a place where people post their true opinions and suggestions.
Mugir ces féroces soldats!
Translation : The howling of these fearsome soldiers
Stop feeding the drama, please.. For god sake, you can also just await and let Hekko talk with any admin, since Hekko is a mature person. You don't all have to spam, REVOLUTION etc... ;)
Stop feeding the drama, please.. For god sake, you can also just await and let Hekko talk with any admin, since Hekko is a mature person. You don't all have to spam, REVOLUTION etc... ;)He's trying to send a message to the whole community.
This is a pretty serious issue and I agree on almost all points, but I am a little concerned already that some people have, as Vikestad said, joined the 'bandwagon' and people are already posting all these stupid videos, pictures, gifs etc without actually discussing their thoughts. This really needs to be talked out and I'd like more people to post their opinions, instead of this devolving into the meme fest which was the Champions of Europe.
So speak up people!
This is a pretty serious issue and I agree on almost all points, but I am a little concerned already that some people have, as Vikestad said, joined the 'bandwagon' and people are already posting all these stupid videos, pictures, gifs etc without actually discussing their thoughts. This really needs to be talked out and I'd like more people to post their opinions, instead of this devolving into the meme fest which was the Champions of Europe.
So speak up people!
Ok, lets do that then. I found my good friend Craig banned from the forums. Supposingly because of Harassment. When i asked what his ban was about, i got told that is was because of trolling, racism and discussing with the admins. While trolling might apply to his behavior from time to time, it was within boundaries. A warning would have been a good responds imo, but they had to give out a ban. This was because he was a supporter of the believe that the FSE was becoming corrupt and couldn't take criticism. Of course they are going to say otherwise but oh well. Then the fights moves to talesworld. Where Vince locked the mod revival squad page just because duurling and Craig are talking about how the FSE behaves. Yes it was off topic, but then again it should have been taken to PM's and not lock the tread i need to organise things. Then the whole olafson thing pops up as well, which is just another push in the wrong direction. I think the whole situation has been handeled very poor by the FSE team and the admins, and this is why i think the FSE should not be in any position to control the community.
Mind you that before this happend i had nothing against the FSE team, and only reformed my opinion on the recent events.
The critique of the admining is fine, but if you host or admin a private server, and you run/admin it like a personal whorehouse, are we supposed to take you seriously if you comment in support of Hekko's post? I don't think so. I check the 84e logs for abuse every fourth of fifth day, and I talk with every admin who get too emotional. Point is, I get sick of some of you commenting who I know would do a lot worse.
90th is in.. +85
In a single move Hekko has set Vince and the rest of the admin team check, Vince has been reading this for an hour and knows what Im about to say.
Next move is for Vince, but if he makes the wrong one, his little empire collapses!
The critique of the admining is fine, but if you host or admin a private server, and you run/admin it like a personal whorehouse, are we supposed to take you seriously if you comment in support of Hekko's post? I don't think so. I check the 84e logs for abuse every fourth of fifth day, and I talk with every admin who get too emotional. Point is, I get sick of some of you commenting who I know would do a lot worse.
The critique of the admining is fine, but if you host or admin a private server, and you run/admin it like a personal whorehouse, are we supposed to take you seriously if you comment in support of Hekko's post? I don't think so. I check the 84e logs for abuse every fourth of fifth day, and I talk with every admin who get too emotional. Point is, I get sick of some of you commenting who I know would do a lot worse.
While I see your point and agree, now isn't the time to split the community when it's supposed to be a time of unity against a common foe. We'll deal with the others later.
The critique of the admining is fine, but if you host or admin a private server, and you run/admin it like a personal whorehouse, are we supposed to take you seriously if you comment in support of Hekko's post? I don't think so. I check the 84e logs for abuse every fourth of fifth day, and I talk with every admin who get too emotional. Point is, I get sick of some of you commenting who I know would do a lot worse.
The critique of the admining is fine, but if you host or admin a private server, and you run/admin it like a personal whorehouse, are we supposed to take you seriously if you comment in support of Hekko's post? I don't think so. I check the 84e logs for abuse every fourth of fifth day, and I talk with every admin who get too emotional. Point is, I get sick of some of you commenting who I know would do a lot worse.
While I see your point and agree, now isn't the time to split the community when it's supposed to be a time of unity against a common foe. We'll deal with the others later.
Well, I am not immature or idealistic, so I'm out.
The critique of the admining is fine, but if you host or admin a private server, and you run/admin it like a personal whorehouse, are we supposed to take you seriously if you comment in support of Hekko's post? I don't think so. I check the 84e logs for abuse every fourth of fifth day, and I talk with every admin who get too emotional. Point is, I get sick of some of you commenting who I know would do a lot worse.
Just because we say things are done badly, doesn't mean we say we could do better. We say, things SHOULD be done better.
I've always just turned a blind eye towards it as I've felt I had never really needed to stick my nose into it, however - what does slightly frustrate me about the management of this community, is the fact that it is slowly heading down the same path as TheWarZ administration. Alot of the factors Hekko mentioned involving moderation of the forums/community are very similar to the methods TheWarZ moderators used. In turn this just conjured a massive uproar from community members, and lead to simply more scrutinizing of the company/administrators in hand.Just saw this post... Sadly I have to agree. The NW administration is starting to act like that of the WarZ game, and clearly this path doesn't work. We don't say this because we hate the mods, we say it because we care about FSE.
Sorry for making the comparison to such a horribly managed game/community, but FSE is heading down this road. I'm also starting to see the careless, recklessness of administration on these forums and I'd like to see it subdued.
The critique of the admining is fine, but if you host or admin a private server, and you run/admin it like a personal whorehouse, are we supposed to take you seriously if you comment in support of Hekko's post? I don't think so. I check the 84e logs for abuse every fourth of fifth day, and I talk with every admin who get too emotional. Point is, I get sick of some of you commenting who I know would do a lot worse.
Just because we say things are done badly, doesn't mean we say we could do better. We say, things SHOULD be done better.
You might have missed my point. I simply don't want to associate with douchebags, and even if I agree with most of Hekko's points, I might not agree with his main thesis that the community actually deserves better.
The critique of the admining is fine, but if you host or admin a private server, and you run/admin it like a personal whorehouse, are we supposed to take you seriously if you comment in support of Hekko's post? I don't think so. I check the 84e logs for abuse every fourth of fifth day, and I talk with every admin who get too emotional. Point is, I get sick of some of you commenting who I know would do a lot worse.
Just because we say things are done badly, doesn't mean we say we could do better. We say, things SHOULD be done better.
You might have missed my point. I simply don't want to associate with douchebags, and even if I agree with most of Hekko's points, I might not agree with his main thesis that the community actually deserves better.
How far can you see from your horse?
I tip my hat to you, Hekko. And to the so-called tyrants of FSE and the appointed administrators within and 'below' FSE... well...+1
hey look! I can see my name! ;D also, your using Internet explorer!?!? >:(
Anyway, the last thread specifically regarding the 51st name lock, Vince's post started with "I've never seen such a comotion about nothing". What we're trying to tell you, is it isn't just nothing. This is a serious issue, and your treating it like a community joke.
your using Interent explorer!?!? >:(No that is clearly internet explorer
my mistakeyour using Interent explorer!?!? >:(No that is clearly internet explorer
We noticed.my mistakeyour using Interent explorer!?!? >:(No that is clearly internet explorer
EDIT: Withdrew.The critique of the admining is fine, but if you host or admin a private server, and you run/admin it like a personal whorehouse, are we supposed to take you seriously if you comment in support of Hekko's post? I don't think so. I check the 84e logs for abuse every fourth of fifth day, and I talk with every admin who get too emotional. Point is, I get sick of some of you commenting who I know would do a lot worse.
Just because we say things are done badly, doesn't mean we say we could do better. We say, things SHOULD be done better.
You might have missed my point. I simply don't want to associate with douchebags, and even if I agree with most of Hekko's points, I might not agree with his main thesis that the community actually deserves better.
+1The critique of the admining is fine, but if you host or admin a private server, and you run/admin it like a personal whorehouse, are we supposed to take you seriously if you comment in support of Hekko's post? I don't think so. I check the 84e logs for abuse every fourth of fifth day, and I talk with every admin who get too emotional. Point is, I get sick of some of you commenting who I know would do a lot worse.
Just because we say things are done badly, doesn't mean we say we could do better. We say, things SHOULD be done better.
You might have missed my point. I simply don't want to associate with douchebags, and even if I agree with most of Hekko's points, I might not agree with his main thesis that the community actually deserves better.
You may wish to rethink that "+1" friend, i'd read. because whilst the quote has some valid points, it also mentions a sizable amount of the community as "douchebags".+1The critique of the admining is fine, but if you host or admin a private server, and you run/admin it like a personal whorehouse, are we supposed to take you seriously if you comment in support of Hekko's post? I don't think so. I check the 84e logs for abuse every fourth of fifth day, and I talk with every admin who get too emotional. Point is, I get sick of some of you commenting who I know would do a lot worse.
Just because we say things are done badly, doesn't mean we say we could do better. We say, things SHOULD be done better.
You might have missed my point. I simply don't want to associate with douchebags, and even if I agree with most of Hekko's points, I might not agree with his main thesis that the community actually deserves better.
+1The critique of the admining is fine, but if you host or admin a private server, and you run/admin it like a personal whorehouse, are we supposed to take you seriously if you comment in support of Hekko's post? I don't think so. I check the 84e logs for abuse every fourth of fifth day, and I talk with every admin who get too emotional. Point is, I get sick of some of you commenting who I know would do a lot worse.
Just because we say things are done badly, doesn't mean we say we could do better. We say, things SHOULD be done better.
You might have missed my point. I simply don't want to associate with douchebags, and even if I agree with most of Hekko's points, I might not agree with his main thesis that the community actually deserves better.
We noticed.my mistakeyour using Interent explorer!?!? >:(No that is clearly internet explorer
Guys For fuck sake stop trolling around on a serious post.....
You may wish to rethink that "+1" friend, i'd read. because whilst the quote has some valid points, it also mentions a sizable amount of the community as "douchebags".+1The critique of the admining is fine, but if you host or admin a private server, and you run/admin it like a personal whorehouse, are we supposed to take you seriously if you comment in support of Hekko's post? I don't think so. I check the 84e logs for abuse every fourth of fifth day, and I talk with every admin who get too emotional. Point is, I get sick of some of you commenting who I know would do a lot worse.
Just because we say things are done badly, doesn't mean we say we could do better. We say, things SHOULD be done better.
You might have missed my point. I simply don't want to associate with douchebags, and even if I agree with most of Hekko's points, I might not agree with his main thesis that the community actually deserves better.
+1The critique of the admining is fine, but if you host or admin a private server, and you run/admin it like a personal whorehouse, are we supposed to take you seriously if you comment in support of Hekko's post? I don't think so. I check the 84e logs for abuse every fourth of fifth day, and I talk with every admin who get too emotional. Point is, I get sick of some of you commenting who I know would do a lot worse.
Just because we say things are done badly, doesn't mean we say we could do better. We say, things SHOULD be done better.
You might have missed my point. I simply don't want to associate with douchebags, and even if I agree with most of Hekko's points, I might not agree with his main thesis that the community actually deserves better.
+1The critique of the admining is fine, but if you host or admin a private server, and you run/admin it like a personal whorehouse, are we supposed to take you seriously if you comment in support of Hekko's post? I don't think so. I check the 84e logs for abuse every fourth of fifth day, and I talk with every admin who get too emotional. Point is, I get sick of some of you commenting who I know would do a lot worse.
Just because we say things are done badly, doesn't mean we say we could do better. We say, things SHOULD be done better.
You might have missed my point. I simply don't want to associate with douchebags, and even if I agree with most of Hekko's points, I might not agree with his main thesis that the community actually deserves better.
Ok, so according to you this community doesnt deserver better admins?
I dont think these "Join the revolution" sigs are needed.
I dont think these "Join the revolution" sigs are needed.Just a little fun, vital supporter.
The sigs aren't needed, but it's to show your support for Hekko's revolution.
Hekko = Maximillion Robspierre
I dont think these "Join the revolution" sigs are needed.Just a little fun, vital supporter.
I dont think these "Join the revolution" sigs are needed.Just a little fun, vital supporter.
Yeah, just a little fun? I think that this is a fairly serious discussion regarding the future of this community.
Off with the heads!The sigs aren't needed, but it's to show your support for Hekko's revolution.
Hekko = Maximillion Robspierre
So after he reforms the community, he's going to kill a ton of us?
Sounds good to me.
I dont think these "Join the revolution" sigs are needed.Just a little fun, vital supporter.
Yeah, just a little fun? I think that this is a fairly serious discussion regarding the future of this community.
I dont think these "Join the revolution" sigs are needed.Just a little fun, vital supporter.
Yeah, just a little fun? I think that this is a fairly serious discussion regarding the future of this community.
Oh, you think Vincenzo will bother to act on it? How long have you known him?
I dont think these "Join the revolution" sigs are needed.Just a little fun, vital supporter.
Yeah, just a little fun? I think that this is a fairly serious discussion regarding the future of this community.
I dont think these "Join the revolution" sigs are needed.Just a little fun, vital supporter.
Yeah, just a little fun? I think that this is a fairly serious discussion regarding the future of this community.
Oh, you think Vincenzo will bother to act on it? How long have you known him?
Well over a year, and you?
It's something to represent how the community wants better.I dont think these "Join the revolution" sigs are needed.Just a little fun, vital supporter.
Yeah, just a little fun? I think that this is a fairly serious discussion regarding the future of this community.
I have not that much experience with the US administrative policy, some of the recent choices make me wonder though how the American side chooses admins, and from what I have heard from other admins that play on US1 at times as well, is that some of the new US1 admins are tripping balls with their new adminpowers, waiting for opportunities to flex their strength for the least offence.
Alright, I know this is mostly a EU thing, but I feel this needs to be posted, because all of you are really starting to annoy me. I will also like to say that I am posting this as me and not an official admin.
Okay, before I discuss about anything else I would like to get the thing that bothers me most out of the way.QuoteI have not that much experience with the US administrative policy, some of the recent choices make me wonder though how the American side chooses admins, and from what I have heard from other admins that play on US1 at times as well, is that some of the new US1 admins are tripping balls with their new adminpowers, waiting for opportunities to flex their strength for the least offence.
Who the fuck are you to talk about the US administration when not a single admin I have spoke to has ever seen you on US1 before. As far as I am concerned, you have absolutely no place to talk about the US admin team. I feel sorry for the EU admin team that you are even acting this way while being an admin. In case you have forgotten, which you clearly have not since you talk so much about the professionalism administration is so important, you are acting completely out of line in accordance to admin regulations. I hope that someone sane enough sees that you are in no shape to hold the responsibility of admin, if you cannot even keep yourself professional in public. The same thing could be said about the EU admin team, but at least we have the respect to not talk about it in public, and rather keep it through PMs like we are supposed to do. The way you have presented yourself in this thread immediately shows me that you have no concern for the community and rather you wish to bash everyone you can possibly think of something to bash them about, for your own personal "Internet glory". This is absolutely unacceptable.
Now to address everyone rather than just the OP.
Have you all lost your minds?! We are playing a GAME this is not a bloody government! I don't care how many people know you in a online game that has no point at all in the world except to give others enjoyment. We are not building some kind of internet social hierarchy. Nobody is better than someone else. None of you have any right to tell FSE what to do with the community, and FSE has no right to tell the community to do. All you guys are doing is arguing over the most pointless in meaningless things in this life. This game is not real life. I can honestly and shamelessly say that Napoleonic Wars and Warband have been a enormous part of my life. Especially this past year. I spend hours a day playing and admining US1, so everyone can enjoy the game like it should be. I probably play more than just about 95% of the players. I spend countless hours of my free-time on this game and NEVER have I feet any amount of importance to anything. You should not either. I think we could all agree that Diplex is the most known NW player. That does not make him some kind of spokesperson or official. It does not make him any more important than you or I. So those of you acting as though you are some kind of icon and that if you say something FSE should listen and respond, you are completely out of your mind. You all are starting to disgust and annoy me with your constant rants and crying like children about how FSE is not doing things right with the community. FSE did not make the freaking community, you guys did. FSE made the game. You...Us. we made this community, and anything we feel is wrong, is our fault. Leave FSE alone about the community. Yes, they may have had some out there business practices with the community, but I think they have since learned. If you feel so strongly about FSE, going on THEIR forums and basically calling them useless is not going to solve anything. FSE is ABSOLUTELY taking the right path by telling you guys to pm all concerns to them. They DO deal with them. Just because something is not done the way you want it does not mean you have a right to decry the developers of this wonderful game, who were kind enough to give you a game for a cheap price that has stayed with you for such a long time. You cannot deny that you like this game, if you are so concerned about the community around it.
So in conclusion of what I have asked of you guys, please, for the sake of all of us, stop making fools of yourselves and just enjoy the damn game, and if you feel you can no longer find enjoyment in it, stop playing it. Nobody is making you play this game, and you all need to grow up and realize that.
How about you get off your high horse, asshole.You pretty much just went ahead and gave proof to my earlier point.
I am waiting for Vince's reply to all this :D
Sid is just whoring for drama as usual. A perfect example of why the community is shit. A lot of talk and no substance. The revolutionary bs is just immature and shouldn't be given any attention by anyone half serious..
Point is proven, Every one here is starting to get balls of steel and telling the utmost truth to tell people to fuck off.How about you get off your high horse, asshole.You pretty much just went ahead and gave proof to my earlier point.
Well done, sir.
Kitty is not an community manager anymore.
https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=4869
Alright, I know this is mostly a EU thing, but I feel this needs to be posted, because all of you are really starting to annoy me. I will also like to say that I am posting this as me and not an official admin.
Okay, before I discuss about anything else I would like to get the thing that bothers me most out of the way.QuoteI have not that much experience with the US administrative policy, some of the recent choices make me wonder though how the American side chooses admins, and from what I have heard from other admins that play on US1 at times as well, is that some of the new US1 admins are tripping balls with their new adminpowers, waiting for opportunities to flex their strength for the least offence.
Who the fuck are you to talk about the US administration when not a single admin I have spoke to has ever seen you on US1 before. As far as I am concerned, you have absolutely no place to talk about the US admin team. I feel sorry for the EU admin team that you are even acting this way while being an admin. In case you have forgotten, which you clearly have not since you talk so much about the professionalism administration is so important, you are acting completely out of line in accordance to admin regulations. I hope that someone sane enough sees that you are in no shape to hold the responsibility of admin, if you cannot even keep yourself professional in public. The same thing could be said about the EU admin team, but at least we have the respect to not talk about it in public, and rather keep it through PMs like we are supposed to do. The way you have presented yourself in this thread immediately shows me that you have no concern for the community and rather you wish to bash everyone you can possibly think of something to bash them about, for your own personal "Internet glory". This is absolutely unacceptable.
Now to address everyone rather than just the OP.
Have you all lost your minds?! We are playing a GAME this is not a bloody government! I don't care how many people know you in a online game that has no point at all in the world except to give others enjoyment. We are not building some kind of internet social hierarchy. Nobody is better than someone else. None of you have any right to tell FSE what to do with the community, and FSE has no right to tell the community to do. All you guys are doing is arguing over the most pointless in meaningless things in this life. This game is not real life. I can honestly and shamelessly say that Napoleonic Wars and Warband have been a enormous part of my life. Especially this past year. I spend hours a day playing and admining US1, so everyone can enjoy the game like it should be. I probably play more than just about 95% of the players. I spend countless hours of my free-time on this game and NEVER have I feet any amount of importance to anything. You should not either. I think we could all agree that Diplex is the most known NW player. That does not make him some kind of spokesperson or official. It does not make him any more important than you or I. So those of you acting as though you are some kind of icon and that if you say something FSE should listen and respond, you are completely out of your mind. You all are starting to disgust and annoy me with your constant rants and crying like children about how FSE is not doing things right with the community. FSE did not make the freaking community, you guys did. FSE made the game. You...Us. we made this community, and anything we feel is wrong, is our fault. Leave FSE alone about the community. Yes, they may have had some out there business practices with the community, but I think they have since learned. If you feel so strongly about FSE, going on THEIR forums and basically calling them useless is not going to solve anything. FSE is ABSOLUTELY taking the right path by telling you guys to pm all concerns to them. They DO deal with them. Just because something is not done the way you want it does not mean you have a right to decry the developers of this wonderful game, who were kind enough to give you a game for a cheap price that has stayed with you for such a long time. You cannot deny that you like this game, if you are so concerned about the community around it.
So in conclusion of what I have asked of you guys, please, for the sake of all of us, stop making fools of yourselves and just enjoy the damn game, and if you feel you can no longer find enjoyment in it, stop playing it. Nobody is making you play this game, and you all need to grow up and realize that.
If one of the developers or lead admins finds what I posted is wrong, I will gladly step down, because at least I might actually be able to enjoy the game without people acting as if I am some sort of idol. I just want to play and enjoy the game, I don't want people to watch and critique my every move.
Who the fuck are you to talk about the US administration when not a single admin I have spoke to has ever seen you on US1 before. As far as I am concerned, you have absolutely no place to talk about the US admin team. I feel sorry for the EU admin team that you are even acting this way while being an admin. In case you have forgotten, which you clearly have not since you talk so much about the professionalism administration is so important, you are acting completely out of line in accordance to admin regulations. I hope that someone sane enough sees that you are in no shape to hold the responsibility of admin, if you cannot even keep yourself professional in public. The same thing could be said about the EU admin team, but at least we have the respect to not talk about it in public, and rather keep it through PMs like we are supposed to do. The way you have presented yourself in this thread immediately shows me that you have no concern for the community and rather you wish to bash everyone you can possibly think of something to bash them about, for your own personal "Internet glory". This is absolutely unacceptable.
No no, now this isn't even right. Guys, calm down, and try to resolve this. This is seriously turning into the most retarded thing ever (and I use retarded with the definition provided in your average dictionary): an internet war. Look better upon yourselves, all you, loyalists and rebels alike, for I have no intent on picking either side, because both are so flawed and so biased beyond disrepair. For this reason, I declare myself a free, separate state of neutralist, that I wish for this to all be mutually appeased, in that I've had enough, and I'm sure there are several others who agree with me, with half the balls I do to declare it. That said, don't pick sides. Just make things better.I did the same Audiate, as I clealry stated I did not like the practices either sides were using.
OK things are on the balance now. Win and we will change the community forever, lose and BCoF will be done forever. (And don't bring popcorns)The problem is that the mods haven't replied and until then, this is going to continue.
OK things are on the balance now. Win and we will change the community forever, lose and BCoF will be done forever. (And don't bring popcorns)
Vince has not posted yet because if he makes a mistake then BCoF will most likely fail.His project is based on the community funding the game.So no community,no game.
OK things are on the balance now. Win and we will change the community forever, lose and BCoF will be done forever. (And don't bring popcorns)The problem is that the mods haven't replied and until then, this is going to continue.
Since everyone is clearly ungrateful of what the US administration team is doing, and our own team members from the other side clearly think we are doing things wrong, I will be resigning from the administration team and will have my formal letter wrote out and posted soon. Thanks for the time everyone, maybe now I can actually enjoy the game like I used to.
Perhaps I've just been out of the loop recently, but admin misconduct has rarely affected my ingame or community experience in a negative way. Perhaps their system of selecting and promoting admins is fault but I have to ask, is it really that bad? Have you actually suffered from it? Perhaps there are those who have but from what I've seen, if the admin is truly at fault, the situation is quickly resolved and the admin makes sure not to make the same mistakes again.
Since everyone is clearly ungrateful of what the US administration team is doing, and our own team members from the other side clearly think we are doing things wrong, I will be resigning from the administration team and will have my formal letter wrote out and posted soon. Thanks for the time everyone, maybe now I can actually enjoy the game like I used to.Good, you were never fit for an admin position.
I have not that much experience with the US administrative policy, some of the recent choices make me wonder though how the American side chooses admins, and from what I have heard from other admins that play on US1 at times as well, is that some of the new US1 admins are tripping balls with their new adminpowers, waiting for opportunities to flex their strength for the least offence.
Alright, I know this is mostly a EU thing, but I feel this needs to be posted, because all of you are really starting to annoy me. I will also like to say that I am posting this as me and not an official admin.
Okay, before I discuss about anything else I would like to get the thing that bothers me most out of the way.QuoteI have not that much experience with the US administrative policy, some of the recent choices make me wonder though how the American side chooses admins, and from what I have heard from other admins that play on US1 at times as well, is that some of the new US1 admins are tripping balls with their new adminpowers, waiting for opportunities to flex their strength for the least offence.
Who the fuck are you to talk about the US administration when not a single admin I have spoke to has ever seen you on US1 before. As far as I am concerned, you have absolutely no place to talk about the US admin team. I feel sorry for the EU admin team that you are even acting this way while being an admin. In case you have forgotten, which you clearly have not since you talk so much about the professionalism administration is so important, you are acting completely out of line in accordance to admin regulations. I hope that someone sane enough sees that you are in no shape to hold the responsibility of admin, if you cannot even keep yourself professional in public. The same thing could be said about the EU admin team, but at least we have the respect to not talk about it in public, and rather keep it through PMs like we are supposed to do. The way you have presented yourself in this thread immediately shows me that you have no concern for the community and rather you wish to bash everyone you can possibly think of something to bash them about, for your own personal "Internet glory". This is absolutely unacceptable.
Now to address everyone rather than just the OP.
Have you all lost your minds?! We are playing a GAME this is not a bloody government! I don't care how many people know you in a online game that has no point at all in the world except to give others enjoyment. We are not building some kind of internet social hierarchy. Nobody is better than someone else. None of you have any right to tell FSE what to do with the community, and FSE has no right to tell the community to do. All you guys are doing is arguing over the most pointless in meaningless things in this life. This game is not real life. I can honestly and shamelessly say that Napoleonic Wars and Warband have been a enormous part of my life. Especially this past year. I spend hours a day playing and admining US1, so everyone can enjoy the game like it should be. I probably play more than just about 95% of the players. I spend countless hours of my free-time on this game and NEVER have I feet any amount of importance to anything. You should not either. I think we could all agree that Diplex is the most known NW player. That does not make him some kind of spokesperson or official. It does not make him any more important than you or I. So those of you acting as though you are some kind of icon and that if you say something FSE should listen and respond, you are completely out of your mind. You all are starting to disgust and annoy me with your constant rants and crying like children about how FSE is not doing things right with the community. FSE did not make the freaking community, you guys did. FSE made the game. You...Us. we made this community, and anything we feel is wrong, is our fault. Leave FSE alone about the community. Yes, they may have had some out there business practices with the community, but I think they have since learned. If you feel so strongly about FSE, going on THEIR forums and basically calling them useless is not going to solve anything. FSE is ABSOLUTELY taking the right path by telling you guys to pm all concerns to them. They DO deal with them. Just because something is not done the way you want it does not mean you have a right to decry the developers of this wonderful game, who were kind enough to give you a game for a cheap price that has stayed with you for such a long time. You cannot deny that you like this game, if you are so concerned about the community around it.
So in conclusion of what I have asked of you guys, please, for the sake of all of us, stop making fools of yourselves and just enjoy the damn game, and if you feel you can no longer find enjoyment in it, stop playing it. Nobody is making you play this game, and you all need to grow up and realize that.
Since everyone is clearly ungrateful of what the US administration team is doing, and our own team members from the other side clearly think we are doing things wrong, I will be resigning from the administration team and will have my formal letter wrote out and posted soon. Thanks for the time everyone, maybe now I can actually enjoy the game like I used to.
I am waiting for Vince's reply to all this :D
Since everyone is clearly ungrateful of what the US administration team is doing, and our own team members from the other side clearly think we are doing things wrong, I will be resigning from the administration team and will have my formal letter wrote out and posted soon. Thanks for the time everyone, maybe now I can actually enjoy the game like I used to.Good, you were never fit for an admin position.
I am waiting for Vince's reply to all this :D
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Hey Crunch, look right below your forum name. Without the community, BCoF would fail.
I think it is clear that though we have different ideas and opinions, the majority of people here seem to agree things are done unproffesionally and should be changed.FSE is trying to wait for us to wait quitly for a reply, and then not reply and let it die. ::)
Now, we should look to ourselves to create said change. Things indeed balanced - lets wait for an official FSE reply.
Maybe, but nobody can deny it.Since everyone is clearly ungrateful of what the US administration team is doing, and our own team members from the other side clearly think we are doing things wrong, I will be resigning from the administration team and will have my formal letter wrote out and posted soon. Thanks for the time everyone, maybe now I can actually enjoy the game like I used to.Good, you were never fit for an admin position.
Bit harsh?
Maybe, but nobody can deny it.Since everyone is clearly ungrateful of what the US administration team is doing, and our own team members from the other side clearly think we are doing things wrong, I will be resigning from the administration team and will have my formal letter wrote out and posted soon. Thanks for the time everyone, maybe now I can actually enjoy the game like I used to.Good, you were never fit for an admin position.
Bit harsh?
Okay.Maybe, but nobody can deny it.Since everyone is clearly ungrateful of what the US administration team is doing, and our own team members from the other side clearly think we are doing things wrong, I will be resigning from the administration team and will have my formal letter wrote out and posted soon. Thanks for the time everyone, maybe now I can actually enjoy the game like I used to.Good, you were never fit for an admin position.
Bit harsh?
Its the fact he Tried For the community. He's done more than others....
You should of never have gotten it in first place you were not up for the admin position nor' were you capable of being a good adminMaybe, but nobody can deny it.Bit harsh?Since everyone is clearly ungrateful of what the US administration team is doing, and our own team members from the other side clearly think we are doing things wrong, I will be resigning from the administration team and will have my formal letter wrote out and posted soon. Thanks for the time everyone, maybe now I can actually enjoy the game like I used to.Good, you were never fit for an admin position.
I am waiting for Vince's reply to all this :D
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Yes, that is what it feels like he is doing, haha
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The success of your game is reliant on wether you say the right words, and now.
Alright, look. So many people are here, so many are involved. Whether or not everyone here likes each other, doesn't even matter.
The fact is: the community is upset. Labeling them as douchebags for it is wrong. However, the fact that the developers do put a lot of work into the game specifically for the community, is just as true.
We can argue, and argue, and argue. I've done it so many times in the past in this bloody community. This community has predators, preys, parasites, producers... but a lot more predators and parasites than there should be. Let's stop trying to suck each others blood and just work on fixing the actual problem.
From what I've gathered, the community is mad about a lot of things. I haven't had a severe problem with it, until today I had no problem with it at all, but there are honestly plenty of genuine problems here. Locking this thread isn't going to do the mods/admins any good, and making this a bigger flame than it already is will just put the community into a bigger hole with the mods/admins.
I'd recommend peaceful conclusions. Perhaps the community can take the time out of a day to sit down with the current admins, developers, etc., and figure out the simplest way things can be solved. Not to argue, but to cooperate. This doesn't need to turn into an internet war.
May I suggest starting with things that would improve us all as a community as a whole, members, mods, and all; current admin selection/selecting a better fit group of admins; repealing/altering the Sports Jersey/Regiment Name retiring nonsense; determining a better selection of testers for betas rather than "best buddies" and "famous advertisers". Expanding on that last one, playtesters should be selected for their knowledge of what their doing, not so they can experience the game first because they're liked by the developers.
I could go on and on and on with this, but that would contradict myself. We need to quickly find something to fix these messes, each in a well-looked-at manner. Take my recommendations, or not, but dare I say someone needs to take action--because no one currently is.
No no, now this isn't even right. Guys, calm down, and try to resolve this. This is seriously turning into the most retarded thing ever (and I use retarded with the definition provided in your average dictionary): an internet war. Look better upon yourselves, all you, loyalists and rebels alike, for I have no intent on picking either side, because both are so flawed and so biased beyond disrepair. For this reason, I declare myself a free, separate state of neutralist, that I wish for this to all be mutually appeased, in that I've had enough, and I'm sure there are several others who agree with me, with half the balls I do to declare it. That said, don't pick sides. Just make things better.
What? Me? I was never an admin.You should of never have gotten it in first place you were not up for the admin position nor' were you capable of being a good adminMaybe, but nobody can deny it.Bit harsh?Since everyone is clearly ungrateful of what the US administration team is doing, and our own team members from the other side clearly think we are doing things wrong, I will be resigning from the administration team and will have my formal letter wrote out and posted soon. Thanks for the time everyone, maybe now I can actually enjoy the game like I used to.Good, you were never fit for an admin position.
Not you nipple i respect you i was talking about crunch.What? Me? I was never an admin.You should of never have gotten it in first place you were not up for the admin position nor' were you capable of being a good adminMaybe, but nobody can deny it.Bit harsh?Since everyone is clearly ungrateful of what the US administration team is doing, and our own team members from the other side clearly think we are doing things wrong, I will be resigning from the administration team and will have my formal letter wrote out and posted soon. Thanks for the time everyone, maybe now I can actually enjoy the game like I used to.Good, you were never fit for an admin position.
Then you can wait for a long time as Vince should be programming, it is the job of the Community Managers to respond and not Vincenzo.I think it is clear that though we have different ideas and opinions, the majority of people here seem to agree things are done unproffesionally and should be changed.FSE is trying to wait for us to wait quitly for a reply, and then not reply and let it die. ::)
Now, we should look to ourselves to create said change. Things indeed balanced - lets wait for an official FSE reply.
Keep the fires stoked until Vince comes.
Ugh. This community is in shambles. I'm going to demand you all stop and think about this. To do so, I will provide you all with the ingredients to do so.I believe the admins are only stoking the fire by not replying. Instead of taking your advice ::)Spoiler(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.phlmetropolis.com%2FCats.jpg&hash=3db03fe13f517f96b9642c9f0a2165776cc6020d)[close]Spoiler(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcache.gawkerassets.com%2Fassets%2Fimages%2F9%2F2010%2F06%2Fmentats.jpg&hash=08d11f151c3a726d9ad49b4a85c50d73c8c2cbcc)[close]Spoiler(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.wisegeek.com%2Fhuman-brain.jpg&hash=e9f8fde487a72f83d878238b7e5c6070d60ad1f9)[close]
Now that you're all greased up for education, let's reflect back on what I've said previously. I'm not biased, and what I said is probably the least biased thing here. So start reading.SpoilerAlright, look. So many people are here, so many are involved. Whether or not everyone here likes each other, doesn't even matter.
The fact is: the community is upset. Labeling them as douchebags for it is wrong. However, the fact that the developers do put a lot of work into the game specifically for the community, is just as true.
We can argue, and argue, and argue. I've done it so many times in the past in this bloody community. This community has predators, preys, parasites, producers... but a lot more predators and parasites than there should be. Let's stop trying to suck each others blood and just work on fixing the actual problem.
From what I've gathered, the community is mad about a lot of things. I haven't had a severe problem with it, until today I had no problem with it at all, but there are honestly plenty of genuine problems here. Locking this thread isn't going to do the mods/admins any good, and making this a bigger flame than it already is will just put the community into a bigger hole with the mods/admins.
I'd recommend peaceful conclusions. Perhaps the community can take the time out of a day to sit down with the current admins, developers, etc., and figure out the simplest way things can be solved. Not to argue, but to cooperate. This doesn't need to turn into an internet war.
May I suggest starting with things that would improve us all as a community as a whole, members, mods, and all; current admin selection/selecting a better fit group of admins; repealing/altering the Sports Jersey/Regiment Name retiring nonsense; determining a better selection of testers for betas rather than "best buddies" and "famous advertisers". Expanding on that last one, playtesters should be selected for their knowledge of what their doing, not so they can experience the game first because they're liked by the developers.
I could go on and on and on with this, but that would contradict myself. We need to quickly find something to fix these messes, each in a well-looked-at manner. Take my recommendations, or not, but dare I say someone needs to take action--because no one currently is.No no, now this isn't even right. Guys, calm down, and try to resolve this. This is seriously turning into the most retarded thing ever (and I use retarded with the definition provided in your average dictionary): an internet war. Look better upon yourselves, all you, loyalists and rebels alike, for I have no intent on picking either side, because both are so flawed and so biased beyond disrepair. For this reason, I declare myself a free, separate state of neutralist, that I wish for this to all be mutually appeased, in that I've had enough, and I'm sure there are several others who agree with me, with half the balls I do to declare it. That said, don't pick sides. Just make things better.[close]
Please, community, this game and the 1% of its community that I actually enjoy saved me from my depression and anxiety. Don't let it come back, as a personal request from me to you all. No one truly wants heads on spikes, no one truly wants a war... so please, stop this nonsense, and change your diapers.
Please, some people need to refocus. There have been plenty of blunders by the devs/admins. I dont hate them, in fact i really try to support them(you can lol) Diplex has donated a fuck ton of money to BCoF and he is in this thread(sorry if i am speaking for you Diplex or i am in the wrong, feel free to state that if so) agreeing with Hekko.
Most players here loved MM, and are bitterly dissapointed with multiple things, how the game turned, how the community turned, and how the Devs and admins have turned.
This isn't just some revolution, and Hekko is just as aware as anyone that this isn't a "revolution", there is no "winning" of a revolution, i believe it was more to highlight that there are alot of unhappy people, and that things should be adressed sooner rather than later. No longer ignored.
I honestly am only waiting for some sort of excuse of the FSE team. I don't want their head on a plate, nor do i want a completely new admin team.
The only thing i desire from this whole drama is a message from vince/olafson/whoever is going to represent FSE which is saying:
Sorry for the mess we created, we made some mistakes. It all was a terrible misunderstanding from our side, and a bit of your side as well. We hereby declare that Daniel Craig and all those others who where muted/banned will be unbanned, and that we will do our very best to avoid mistakes in the future. We hope you forgive us.
That's all i freaking want. I need no new admin team, i just need a fair way to decide who is going to be one. If windbusche where to become an admin i would be fine with that, he has been in this community long enough and most people know him. They may not agree with his point of view, but at least he has ment something for the community in those months/years he has been involved in it. Everyone here has "enemies" in this community, be it because of personal issues or trough regiments disliking each other.
Also i would like to see a bit less involvement from the FSE with the community, i am totally fine with all the other community managers. Its just because if they stay this involved in this community, it wont be long until a similar problem as this will pop up again. Just stepping down a notch, and just post in treads, help people with technical issues, would only benefit the community imo.
You are 100% correct, Hekko. It's also amusing how many people in this thread are suddenly agreeing with Hekko when they've been sucking admin dick for ages, playing along with the bullshit, and generally helping this game sink lower than the titanic.You speak words of wisdom.
There's no way in hell I'm buying BCOF in state things are now.
Please, some people need to refocus. There have been plenty of blunders by the devs/admins. I dont hate them, in fact i really try to support them(you can lol) Diplex has donated a fuck ton of money to BCoF and he is in this thread(sorry if i am speaking for you Diplex or i am in the wrong, feel free to state that if so) agreeing with Hekko.
Most players here loved MM, and are bitterly dissapointed with multiple things, how the game turned, how the community turned, and how the Devs and admins have turned.
This isn't just some revolution, and Hekko is just as aware as anyone that this isn't a "revolution", there is no "winning" of a revolution, i believe it was more to highlight that there are alot of unhappy people, and that things should be adressed sooner rather than later. No longer ignored.
I'm with Audite and Affjoris on this. We want play a fun game, with good admins and serious Devs.Exactly.
You are 100% correct, Hekko. It's also amusing how many people in this thread are suddenly agreeing with Hekko when they've been sucking admin dick for ages, playing along with the bullshit, and generally helping this game sink lower than the titanic.You speak words of wisdom.
There's no way in hell I'm buying BCOF in state things are now.
nor do i want a completely new admin team.
The unity engine is absolute horseshit. I have zero hopes for it.You are 100% correct, Hekko. It's also amusing how many people in this thread are suddenly agreeing with Hekko when they've been sucking admin dick for ages, playing along with the bullshit, and generally helping this game sink lower than the titanic.You speak words of wisdom.
There's no way in hell I'm buying BCOF in state things are now.
BCOF was just another way for them to suck your money out with a shitty game. Except this time, it's worse because they're using their own engine.
Please, some people need to refocus. There have been plenty of blunders by the devs/admins. I dont hate them, in fact i really try to support them(you can lol) Diplex has donated a fuck ton of money to BCoF and he is in this thread(sorry if i am speaking for you Diplex or i am in the wrong, feel free to state that if so) agreeing with Hekko.
Most players here loved MM, and are bitterly dissapointed with multiple things, how the game turned, how the community turned, and how the Devs and admins have turned.
This isn't just some revolution, and Hekko is just as aware as anyone that this isn't a "revolution", there is no "winning" of a revolution, i believe it was more to highlight that there are alot of unhappy people, and that things should be adressed sooner rather than later. No longer ignored.
For now it is just a big complaint but there are no reasonable solutions made. You (not you Vorlen specific but the most people in here) are just telling the FSE that they are shit. Don't forget they made this game.
Btw: This is only my personal opinion and I do not speak for the FSE team or any other official admins.
Hey Crunch, look right below your forum name. Without the community, BCoF would fail.
BCoF is going to fail, its going to have shitty melee and FSE can't make their own engine for shit
Admins... cmon, you're only making the situation worse by not replying.That's probably why this is still happening. Please Vince, let's sit down and talk. Listen to what Audiate said, have a civil discussion, discuss the issues with admins, retired regimental numbers, over regulation etc. PLease, for the sake of the team and the community.
STOP POSTING SO FSE CAN BLOODY THINK!!
And I quote...How about you shut up and let us give our points.STOP POSTING SO FSE CAN BLOODY THINK!!
Please, some people need to refocus. There have been plenty of blunders by the devs/admins. I dont hate them, in fact i really try to support them(you can lol) Diplex has donated a fuck ton of money to BCoF and he is in this thread(sorry if i am speaking for you Diplex or i am in the wrong, feel free to state that if so) agreeing with Hekko.
Most players here loved MM, and are bitterly dissapointed with multiple things, how the game turned, how the community turned, and how the Devs and admins have turned.
This isn't just some revolution, and Hekko is just as aware as anyone that this isn't a "revolution", there is no "winning" of a revolution, i believe it was more to highlight that there are alot of unhappy people, and that things should be adressed sooner rather than later. No longer ignored.
For now it is just a big complaint but there are no reasonable solutions made. You (not you Vorlen specific but the most people in here) are just telling the FSE that they are shit. Don't forget they made this game.
Btw: This is only my personal opinion and I do not speak for the FSE team or any other official admins.
Indeed( though i havent actually posted my agreement or disagreement :D yet ) But it's highlighted that alot of people are unhappy. Most of what Hekkop posted is well articulated and truthful, many people feel they dont need to add muh more to what the master diplomat himself wrote. And to be fair, alot of people aren't as calm and diplomatic as Hekko, it's for the best that people don't start listing every single issue that bothers them, community or admin based, as that will devolve the thread into thousands of posts from which a resolution is impossible.
I posted something similar to Hekko's a few months back (Not as long and serious post tbh and it wasn't my own post) and I told people that they were brown nosing the admins, guess what people did? They just bashed on me and disliked the whole idea of critisizing the Admins, but now everyone agrees with Hekko (Not that its bad, but it just makes me wonder)Exactly what I was saying. Momentum works wonders. I could name many, many people in this thread who, just days back had their throats so full of admin semen that they could hardly breath, but as soon as they saw how many people were agreeing with Hekko, they started to jump on the bandwagon.
And I quote...STOP POSTING SO FSE CAN BLOODY THINK!!
How about you shut up and let us give our points.
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#UnbanDan
#UnbanDanDan 2013!
#UnbanDan
Don't forget Craig#UnbanDan
I agree, we should unban the poor souls. Hatake, Biggun, Daniel and Cherry.
Summarizes allot of this thread
red62: vince roast
red62: https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?topic=2645.195
[32ndRD] Millander: juast a bunch of forum drama
[32ndRD] Millander: people taking the forums way to serious
[32ndRD] Millander: threads like this are doing more to hurt the community than help it.
red62: its fun do
I am currently a head admin for the US1 side of things, and I take full responsibility for any actions both admissible and inadmissible by my admin team. I have even gone so far as to personally apologize to those who have been wrongly banned, or had admin powers misused on them. Yes, we do have new admins, and yes our current method of selecting admin may seem like a popularity contest as far as the actual process goes. It goes something like this.What about the amount of people calling each other names and shit on US 1? saying eachother are bad at this and that spamming it 24/7 and i dont want to say names.
1. We post a thread asking for people to apply for an admin position.
2. All of the admin candidates are then added to a list and mailed to every admin on the team.
3. The admins list the candidates in to three different groups labeled "I think this person would make a good admin" "I have had issue with this person in the past and do not feel they would make a good admin, please explain if you put them here." and "Who the heck is this?"
We do this so that we can gather information on the persons past. Any rule breaking, trolling, bans etc.. This is also used to ensure that the admin team works well together, and we try to avoid any infighting as that just causes problems.
4. We tally up all the Yes/Nos each person got and drop the people will shady pasts, bans for breaking certain rules, and add the group of people that the current admin team agrees will work best.
5. We watch, and remove any admins we feel are misusing their powers even after warnings, and rectify any wrongdoing with the intent on making those admins better as they learn to handle their new position of hatred and disdain amongst the community.
So no, our process is not perfect, and there is most certainly a period of training that comes with adding a batch of new admins. There are a few things in this game that do not help though. The inclusion of fluff admin guns and weapons that normal players don't get a chance to use does not help us. The draw of these new "toys" is simply too much for a new admin sometimes. And the only way to punish people and remove them from the game is either an hour long or a perma ban. These issues will hopefully be fixed in BCoF.
As far as my admin team's actions go. Yes, there have been mistakes, and most have been rectified. If Crunch does end up resigning, I will be sad to see him go. He above all others with the exception of myself and Deo who have to decide when someone actually gets unbanned has faced more hate and trolling than anyone else on the US1 team and has handled it far better than most would. He has become a great admin since he was added to the roster, and is both fair and logical in his decisions when it comes to banning and punishment. He even gives warnings when he's not supposed to. -_-
At any rate, as I said before. I take full responsibility for all actions taken by my team.
Completely agree with you Millander, making a thread like this is only going to be worse for the community, it has gone from pointing out flaws in a civil manner, to picking as many holes as you can because something as little as retiring the 51st number has rubbed you up the wrong way or something.
Completely agree with you Millander, making a thread like this is only going to be worse for the community, it has gone from pointing out flaws in a civil manner, to picking as many holes as you can because something as little as retiring the 51st number has rubbed you up the wrong way or something.
It looks to me more like anger and resentment. If they were happy with the way things were run it wouldn't be satisfying to complain. The 51st number seems more like a trigger than a cause to me.
Completely agree with you Millander, making a thread like this is only going to be worse for the community, it has gone from pointing out flaws in a civil manner, to picking as many holes as you can because something as little as retiring the 51st number has rubbed you up the wrong way or something.
It looks to me more like anger and resentment. If they were happy with the way things were run it wouldn't be satisfying to complain. The 51st number seems more like a trigger than a cause to me.
I am currently a head admin for the US1 side of things, and I take full responsibility for any actions both admissible and inadmissible by my admin team. I have even gone so far as to personally apologize to those who have been wrongly banned, or had admin powers misused on them. Yes, we do have new admins, and yes our current method of selecting admin may seem like a popularity contest as far as the actual process goes. It goes something like this.
1. We post a thread asking for people to apply for an admin position.
2. All of the admin candidates are then added to a list and mailed to every admin on the team.
3. The admins list the candidates in to three different groups labeled "I think this person would make a good admin" "I have had issue with this person in the past and do not feel they would make a good admin, please explain if you put them here." and "Who the heck is this?"
We do this so that we can gather information on the persons past. Any rule breaking, trolling, bans etc.. This is also used to ensure that the admin team works well together, and we try to avoid any infighting as that just causes problems.
4. We tally up all the Yes/Nos each person got and drop the people will shady pasts, bans for breaking certain rules, and add the group of people that the current admin team agrees will work best.
5. We watch, and remove any admins we feel are misusing their powers even after warnings, and rectify any wrongdoing with the intent on making those admins better as they learn to handle their new position of hatred and disdain amongst the community.
So no, our process is not perfect, and there is most certainly a period of training that comes with adding a batch of new admins. There are a few things in this game that do not help though. The inclusion of fluff admin guns and weapons that normal players don't get a chance to use does not help us. The draw of these new "toys" is simply too much for a new admin sometimes. And the only way to punish people and remove them from the game is either an hour long or a perma ban. These issues will hopefully be fixed in BCoF.
As far as my admin team's actions go. Yes, there have been mistakes, and most have been rectified. If Crunch does end up resigning, I will be sad to see him go. He above all others with the exception of myself and Deo who have to decide when someone actually gets unbanned has faced more hate and trolling than anyone else on the US1 team and has handled it far better than most would. He has become a great admin since he was added to the roster, and is both fair and logical in his decisions when it comes to banning and punishment. He even gives warnings when he's not supposed to. -_-
At any rate, as I said before. I take full responsibility for all actions taken by my team.
Completely agree with you Millander, making a thread like this is only going to be worse for the community, it has gone from pointing out flaws in a civil manner, to picking as many holes as you can because something as little as retiring the 51st number has rubbed you up the wrong way or something.
It looks to me more like anger and resentment. If they were happy with the way things were run it wouldn't be satisfying to complain. The 51st number seems more like a trigger than a cause to me.
The 51st number? Or the 51st in-game regiment which we paid for?
You guys do all realize that we can't gain control of the public servers or forums - no matter how long this debate goes on for - don't you?
You guys do all realize that we can't gain control of the public servers or forums - no matter how long this debate goes on for - don't you?
Remember those souls we have lost, for questioning the hierarchy.
#biggun
#dan
#jezza
#craig
Remember those souls we have lost, for questioning the hierarchy.Hate to bring it to you lad, but Dan was hardly trying to do anything he believed in. Unless he believes in trolling of course.
#biggun
#dan
#jezza
#craig
Remember those souls we have lost, for questioning the hierarchy.and #cherry
#biggun
#dan
#jezza
#craig
I am currently a head admin for the US1 side of things, and I take full responsibility for any actions both admissible and inadmissible by my admin team. I have even gone so far as to personally apologize to those who have been wrongly banned, or had admin powers misused on them. Yes, we do have new admins, and yes our current method of selecting admin may seem like a popularity contest as far as the actual process goes. It goes something like this.
1. We post a thread asking for people to apply for an admin position.
2. All of the admin candidates are then added to a list and mailed to every admin on the team.
3. The admins list the candidates in to three different groups labeled "I think this person would make a good admin" "I have had issue with this person in the past and do not feel they would make a good admin, please explain if you put them here." and "Who the heck is this?"
We do this so that we can gather information on the persons past. Any rule breaking, trolling, bans etc.. This is also used to ensure that the admin team works well together, and we try to avoid any infighting as that just causes problems.
4. We tally up all the Yes/Nos each person got and drop the people will shady pasts, bans for breaking certain rules, and add the group of people that the current admin team agrees will work best.
5. We watch, and remove any admins we feel are misusing their powers even after warnings, and rectify any wrongdoing with the intent on making those admins better as they learn to handle their new position of hatred and disdain amongst the community.
So no, our process is not perfect, and there is most certainly a period of training that comes with adding a batch of new admins. There are a few things in this game that do not help though. The inclusion of fluff admin guns and weapons that normal players don't get a chance to use does not help us. The draw of these new "toys" is simply too much for a new admin sometimes. And the only way to punish people and remove them from the game is either an hour long or a perma ban. These issues will hopefully be fixed in BCoF.
As far as my admin team's actions go. Yes, there have been mistakes, and most have been rectified. If Crunch does end up resigning, I will be sad to see him go. He above all others with the exception of myself and Deo who have to decide when someone actually gets unbanned has faced more hate and trolling than anyone else on the US1 team and has handled it far better than most would. He has become a great admin since he was added to the roster, and is both fair and logical in his decisions when it comes to banning and punishment. He even gives warnings when he's not supposed to. -_-
At any rate, as I said before. I take full responsibility for all actions taken by my team.
Unless you are a previous 92nd member, i dont know you personally. However, i (on behalf of all who wish me to) would like to say that this isn't a witch hunt, those who are iunnocent, respectfull and caring of the communities opinions, shouldnt be put in a position that they feel the need to apologize, again, Hekko didn't want this to be a witch hunt. If americans think you are at fault then that's another issue :P But, at least in my opinion, this is an issue with the devs rather than a few rogue admins who fuck shit up.
Maybe i'm wrong, in which case, as always, my disclaimer is just ignore me and say im a cock.
For all of you who sent me abusive steam messages, I got at least 6, please stop, just because I do not agree with Hekko.I've gotten hate mail for supporting reforms.
People stop calling the revolution! Bring suggestions ;)We are suggesting things. A revolution is major changes and that is what we're suggesting. Try and think outside of the box.
I think we need a list of demandsI whole heatedly agree.
- Kitty removed from her Administrator position
- The rights to the name of the 51st given to the one who asks for it
- An official apology from FSE
- A more universal say in the appointment of administrators (give us a say)
- Daniel Craig ect un banned from the forums
- More specific forum rules with new moderators
VIVA LA REVOLUTION!People stop calling the revolution! Bring suggestions ;)We are suggesting things. A revolution is major changes and that is what we're suggesting. Try and think outside of the box.
In this community any attempt at help, is read and immediately pointed out as mediocre and every little flaw, every little error is handled as if the entire attempt is an utter failure and deserves to live in the gallows. On the forums, every person you meet, there is a 35% chance, or around there - that the person you meet will at one point will get in a argument with you, over the stupidest damn things. Although I think administration of the official servers is not that bad, but for everything else? Fucked up. At the least. I don't have a problem with the administrators, really. I have a problem with this damn community.
The problem is that our criticisms are valid, but we need to state what we want changed. I was community banned for speaking up against the admins
along with daniel and biggun. I don't think that all the FSE team do an incompotent job, for instance I think Hancock does a great job with the bans and unbans
and acts in a professional manner about such things. Here are a few things that I and I hope most of the community want.
- Re-evaluate your management of the community, and how people are watched/moderated/banned.
- Re-consider people who were given admin who may not be up to the task.
- Stop your blatant favourtisim and biased, to uphold the professionalism of FSE as a company.
- Start treating your community like people you want to keep for the sake of your new game
- Give up on your idea of trying to keep the 51st name, honestly it's offensive to other regiments who have contributed just as much.
- Give community managers to completely Neutral memebrs of the community, who wont have as little bias as possible.
- The developers apologise for how they have been running the community recently, and myself, Daniel, Biggun, Cherry and others are unbanned.
People stop calling the revolution! Bring suggestions ;)
I think we need a list of demandsAdding my piece, nice job on being constructive though too ;)
- Kitty removed from her Administrator position
- The rights to the name of the 51st given to the one who asks for it
- An official apology from FSE
- A more universal say in the appointment of administrators (give us a say)
- Daniel Craig ect un banned from the forums
- More specific forum rules with new moderators
One last post on behalf of my friend craig:QuoteThe problem is that our criticisms are valid, but we need to state what we want changed. I was community banned for speaking up against the admins
along with daniel and biggun. I don't think that all the FSE team do an incompotent job, for instance I think Hancock does a great job with the bans and unbans
and acts in a professional manner about such things. Here are a few things that I and I hope most of the community want.
- Re-evaluate your management of the community, and how people are watched/moderated/banned.
- Re-consider people who were given admin who may not be up to the task.
- Stop your blatant favourtisim and biased, to uphold the professionalism of FSE as a company.
- Start treating your community like people you want to keep for the sake of your new game
- Give up on your idea of trying to keep the 51st name, honestly it's offensive to other regiments who have contributed just as much.
- Give community managers to completely Neutral memebrs of the community, who wont have as little bias as possible.
- The developers apologise for how they have been running the community recently, and myself, Daniel, Biggun, Cherry and others are unbanned.
I think we need a list of demands
- Kitty removed from her Administrator position
- The rights to the name of the 51st given to the one who asks for it
- An official apology from FSE
- A more universal say in the appointment of administrators (give us a say)
- Daniel Craig ect un banned from the forums
- More specific forum rules with new moderators
20:49 - FSE_Vincenzo: we will rectify the bullshitBurn baby burn, disco inferno!
20:50 - [91st] USE4life: In who's favor?
20:50 - [91st] USE4life: Yours or theirs?
20:50 - FSE_Vincenzo: theirs
Apology to Vince if he does not want this to be posted but I think it may stem the flames
Hello Everyone,
In light of recent comments and opinions voiced by some of the community, we feel its best to restate the position of FSE in relation to the community and the official servers. The servers which we maintain are done so on a voluntary basis at private expense for the benefit of the public players for the sake of community, we try to host servers that are open to all and and are fun to play on, to the best of our ability.
Now, the difficulty of maintaining these servers is obvious and despite our efforts, there will be failures on the part of the admin team and the owners. As a game development company we have overstepped ourselves when dealing with the community. To that end, we will be making certain changes in regards how FSE deals with the community:
1. FSE will be taking a step back from community altering decisions. In our pursuit of stopping an argument that had been made three times over the possession of the 51st name we rashly decided to remove the object that was contested, instead of punishing the ones who were breaking forum policy. Inadvertently we managed to punish the entire community by removing something that rightfully should have been theirs. For this, we apologize, and will now rectify. We will no longer withhold any regiment number, even if it proves a source of great controversy and fighting. We will no longer involve ourselves in this process. As such we will return it to the last community member that had possession of said regiment name.
2. Now, even though we are from now going to step back from these kind of decisions and loosen the grip we try to have over the community, there may be a time in the future when such decisions may need to be made. But it will no longer only be in our hands, instead If such a time comes, we will need a base of respected players who can give an informed opinion on such decisions, before we make them. Thus, we will be instituting a new group of players on our forums, the NW Community Representatives. They will be nominated by the community, and will have access to a new forum board area. If FSE sees a need to make a community altering decision, we will first post the proposal of such in this area, in order to gain necessary community feedback so as to make an informed decision. This place will be carefully watched Their opinions will guide our policy, and allow the community a voice to the FSE management.
We will be setting up the Community Representative Process shortly. I look forward to serious dialogue taking place, with real solutions being found with help from both the administration and the community.
I think we need a list of demandsAdding my piece, nice job on being constructive though too ;)
- Kitty removed from her Administrator position
- The rights to the name of the 51st given to the one who asks for it
- An official apology from FSE
- A more universal say in the appointment of administrators (give us a say)
- Daniel Craig ect un banned from the forums
- More specific forum rules with new moderators
I think we need a list of demands
- Kitty removed from her Administrator position
- The rights to the name of the 51st given to the one who asks for it
- An official apology from FSE
- A more universal say in the appointment of administrators (give us a say)
- Daniel Craig ect un banned from the forums
- More specific forum rules with new moderators
Exactly what I wanted to say.I am currently a head admin for the US1 side of things, and I take full responsibility for any actions both admissible and inadmissible by my admin team. I have even gone so far as to personally apologize to those who have been wrongly banned, or had admin powers misused on them. Yes, we do have new admins, and yes our current method of selecting admin may seem like a popularity contest as far as the actual process goes. It goes something like this.
1. We post a thread asking for people to apply for an admin position.
2. All of the admin candidates are then added to a list and mailed to every admin on the team.
3. The admins list the candidates in to three different groups labeled "I think this person would make a good admin" "I have had issue with this person in the past and do not feel they would make a good admin, please explain if you put them here." and "Who the heck is this?"
We do this so that we can gather information on the persons past. Any rule breaking, trolling, bans etc.. This is also used to ensure that the admin team works well together, and we try to avoid any infighting as that just causes problems.
4. We tally up all the Yes/Nos each person got and drop the people will shady pasts, bans for breaking certain rules, and add the group of people that the current admin team agrees will work best.
5. We watch, and remove any admins we feel are misusing their powers even after warnings, and rectify any wrongdoing with the intent on making those admins better as they learn to handle their new position of hatred and disdain amongst the community.
So no, our process is not perfect, and there is most certainly a period of training that comes with adding a batch of new admins. There are a few things in this game that do not help though. The inclusion of fluff admin guns and weapons that normal players don't get a chance to use does not help us. The draw of these new "toys" is simply too much for a new admin sometimes. And the only way to punish people and remove them from the game is either an hour long or a perma ban. These issues will hopefully be fixed in BCoF.
As far as my admin team's actions go. Yes, there have been mistakes, and most have been rectified. If Crunch does end up resigning, I will be sad to see him go. He above all others with the exception of myself and Deo who have to decide when someone actually gets unbanned has faced more hate and trolling than anyone else on the US1 team and has handled it far better than most would. He has become a great admin since he was added to the roster, and is both fair and logical in his decisions when it comes to banning and punishment. He even gives warnings when he's not supposed to. -_-
At any rate, as I said before. I take full responsibility for all actions taken by my team.
Unless you are a previous 92nd member, i dont know you personally. However, i (on behalf of all who wish me to) would like to say that this isn't a witch hunt, those who are iunnocent, respectfull and caring of the communities opinions, shouldnt be put in a position that they feel the need to apologize, again, Hekko didn't want this to be a witch hunt. If americans think you are at fault then that's another issue :P But, at least in my opinion, this is an issue with the devs rather than a few rogue admins who fuck shit up.
Maybe i'm wrong, in which case, as always, my disclaimer is just ignore me and say im a cock.
"Who the heck is this?" "this guy will make a good admin" "I have had issues"?
You mean..
"Pub/never heard of" "well-known" "troll"
And it's almost always the well-knowns, I have troubles believing the yes and no tallies. ::)
I think we need a list of demandsAye
- Kitty removed from her Administrator position
- The rights to the name of the 51st given to the one who asks for it
- An official apology from FSE
- A more universal say in the appointment of administrators (give us a say)
- Daniel Craig ect un banned from the forums
- More specific forum rules with new moderators
popcorn gifs are rather annoying.I think we need a list of demandsAdding my piece, nice job on being constructive though too ;)
- Kitty removed from her Administrator position
- The rights to the name of the 51st given to the one who asks for it
- An official apology from FSE
- A more universal say in the appointment of administrators (give us a say)
- Daniel Craig ect un banned from the forums
- More specific forum rules with new moderators
#Remove the "no popcorn gifs and quoting offensive material" rule (a little drama doesn't hurt, it is the internet after all)
#Reduce crackdown (Watches instead of mutes and bans)
Hello Everyone,
In light of recent comments and opinions voiced by some of the community, we feel its best to restate the position of FSE in relation to the community and the official servers. The servers which we maintain are done so on a voluntary basis at private expense for the benefit of the public players for the sake of community, we try to host servers that are open to all and and are fun to play on, to the best of our ability.
Now, the difficulty of maintaining these servers is obvious and despite our efforts, there will be failures on the part of the admin team and the owners. As a game development company we have overstepped ourselves when dealing with the community. To that end, we will be making certain changes in regards how FSE deals with the community:
1. FSE will be taking a step back from community altering decisions. In our pursuit of stopping an argument that had been made three times over the possession of the 51st name we rashly decided to remove the object that was contested, instead of punishing the ones who were breaking forum policy. Inadvertently we managed to punish the entire community by removing something that rightfully should have been theirs. For this, we apologize, and will now rectify. We will no longer withhold any regiment number, even if it proves a source of great controversy and fighting. We will no longer involve ourselves in this process. As such we will return it to the last community member that had possession of said regiment name.
2. Now, even though we are from now going to step back from these kind of decisions and loosen the grip we try to have over the community, there may be a time in the future when such decisions may need to be made. But it will no longer only be in our hands, instead If such a time comes, we will need a base of respected players who can give an informed opinion on such decisions, before we make them. Thus, we will be instituting a new group of players on our forums, the NW Community Representatives. They will be nominated by the community, and will have access to a new forum board area. If FSE sees a need to make a community altering decision, we will first post the proposal of such in this area, in order to gain necessary community feedback so as to make an informed decision. This place will be carefully watched Their opinions will guide our policy, and allow the community a voice to the FSE management.
We will be setting up the Community Representative Process shortly. I look forward to serious dialogue taking place, with real solutions being found with help from both the administration and the community.
They should have an interview process that lasts a week or so.Hello Everyone,
In light of recent comments and opinions voiced by some of the community, we feel its best to restate the position of FSE in relation to the community and the official servers. The servers which we maintain are done so on a voluntary basis at private expense for the benefit of the public players for the sake of community, we try to host servers that are open to all and and are fun to play on, to the best of our ability.
Now, the difficulty of maintaining these servers is obvious and despite our efforts, there will be failures on the part of the admin team and the owners. As a game development company we have overstepped ourselves when dealing with the community. To that end, we will be making certain changes in regards how FSE deals with the community:
1. FSE will be taking a step back from community altering decisions. In our pursuit of stopping an argument that had been made three times over the possession of the 51st name we rashly decided to remove the object that was contested, instead of punishing the ones who were breaking forum policy. Inadvertently we managed to punish the entire community by removing something that rightfully should have been theirs. For this, we apologize, and will now rectify. We will no longer withhold any regiment number, even if it proves a source of great controversy and fighting. We will no longer involve ourselves in this process. As such we will return it to the last community member that had possession of said regiment name.
2. Now, even though we are from now going to step back from these kind of decisions and loosen the grip we try to have over the community, there may be a time in the future when such decisions may need to be made. But it will no longer only be in our hands, instead If such a time comes, we will need a base of respected players who can give an informed opinion on such decisions, before we make them. Thus, we will be instituting a new group of players on our forums, the NW Community Representatives. They will be nominated by the community, and will have access to a new forum board area. If FSE sees a need to make a community altering decision, we will first post the proposal of such in this area, in order to gain necessary community feedback so as to make an informed decision. This place will be carefully watched Their opinions will guide our policy, and allow the community a voice to the FSE management.
We will be setting up the Community Representative Process shortly. I look forward to serious dialogue taking place, with real solutions being found with help from both the administration and the community.
Let me guess, more "well-knowns" who "deserve admin"? ::)
They should have an interview process that lasts a week or so.Hello Everyone,
In light of recent comments and opinions voiced by some of the community, we feel its best to restate the position of FSE in relation to the community and the official servers. The servers which we maintain are done so on a voluntary basis at private expense for the benefit of the public players for the sake of community, we try to host servers that are open to all and and are fun to play on, to the best of our ability.
Now, the difficulty of maintaining these servers is obvious and despite our efforts, there will be failures on the part of the admin team and the owners. As a game development company we have overstepped ourselves when dealing with the community. To that end, we will be making certain changes in regards how FSE deals with the community:
1. FSE will be taking a step back from community altering decisions. In our pursuit of stopping an argument that had been made three times over the possession of the 51st name we rashly decided to remove the object that was contested, instead of punishing the ones who were breaking forum policy. Inadvertently we managed to punish the entire community by removing something that rightfully should have been theirs. For this, we apologize, and will now rectify. We will no longer withhold any regiment number, even if it proves a source of great controversy and fighting. We will no longer involve ourselves in this process. As such we will return it to the last community member that had possession of said regiment name.
2. Now, even though we are from now going to step back from these kind of decisions and loosen the grip we try to have over the community, there may be a time in the future when such decisions may need to be made. But it will no longer only be in our hands, instead If such a time comes, we will need a base of respected players who can give an informed opinion on such decisions, before we make them. Thus, we will be instituting a new group of players on our forums, the NW Community Representatives. They will be nominated by the community, and will have access to a new forum board area. If FSE sees a need to make a community altering decision, we will first post the proposal of such in this area, in order to gain necessary community feedback so as to make an informed decision. This place will be carefully watched Their opinions will guide our policy, and allow the community a voice to the FSE management.
We will be setting up the Community Representative Process shortly. I look forward to serious dialogue taking place, with real solutions being found with help from both the administration and the community.
Let me guess, more "well-knowns" who "deserve admin"? ::)
Here's a point. This is mabie 2% to 5% of the community. The rest are happily playing the game, abiding by the server rules and not having to worry about any of these arguments. Unfortunally, as with most cases, the unhappy amount are always the most loudly spoken. They are here to complain, taking for granted a game that has given them hours and hours of enjoyment, and forgetting what the real purpose of a game is. To have fun. From the 300+ hours i have spent on NW, i have never seen any admin abuse or unfair banning. There are two sides to every story.
Hello Everyone,
In light of recent comments and opinions voiced by some of the community, we feel its best to restate the position of FSE in relation to the community and the official servers. The servers which we maintain are done so on a voluntary basis at private expense for the benefit of the public players for the sake of community, we try to host servers that are open to all and and are fun to play on, to the best of our ability.
Now, the difficulty of maintaining these servers is obvious and despite our efforts, there will be failures on the part of the admin team and the owners. As a game development company we have overstepped ourselves when dealing with the community. To that end, we will be making certain changes in regards how FSE deals with the community:
1. FSE will be taking a step back from community altering decisions. In our pursuit of stopping an argument that had been made three times over the possession of the 51st name we rashly decided to remove the object that was contested, instead of punishing the ones who were breaking forum policy. Inadvertently we managed to punish the entire community by removing something that rightfully should have been theirs. For this, we apologize, and will now rectify. We will no longer withhold any regiment number, even if it proves a source of great controversy and fighting. We will no longer involve ourselves in this process. As such we will return it to the last community member that had possession of said regiment name.
2. Now, even though we are from now going to step back from these kind of decisions and loosen the grip we try to have over the community, there may be a time in the future when such decisions may need to be made. But it will no longer only be in our hands, instead If such a time comes, we will need a base of respected players who can give an informed opinion on such decisions, before we make them. Thus, we will be instituting a new group of players on our forums, the NW Community Representatives. They will be nominated by the community, and will have access to a new forum board area. If FSE sees a need to make a community altering decision, we will first post the proposal of such in this area, in order to gain necessary community feedback so as to make an informed decision. This place will be carefully watched Their opinions will guide our policy, and allow the community a voice to the FSE management.
We will be setting up the Community Representative Process shortly. I look forward to serious dialogue taking place, with real solutions being found with help from both the administration and the community.
Personally I would like a review of all forum punishments given out in the past few weeks. For example James Grant was a victim of over-zealous moderation and now multiple regiments and even the Anglo Zulu mod are suffering because he is still unable to post.
#freejamesgrant
Hello Everyone,
In light of recent comments and opinions voiced by some of the community, we feel its best to restate the position of FSE in relation to the community and the official servers. The servers which we maintain are done so on a voluntary basis at private expense for the benefit of the public players for the sake of community, we try to host servers that are open to all and and are fun to play on, to the best of our ability.
Now, the difficulty of maintaining these servers is obvious and despite our efforts, there will be failures on the part of the admin team and the owners. As a game development company we have overstepped ourselves when dealing with the community. To that end, we will be making certain changes in regards how FSE deals with the community:
1. FSE will be taking a step back from community altering decisions. In our pursuit of stopping an argument that had been made three times over the possession of the 51st name we rashly decided to remove the object that was contested, instead of punishing the ones who were breaking forum policy. Inadvertently we managed to punish the entire community by removing something that rightfully should have been theirs. For this, we apologize, and will now rectify. We will no longer withhold any regiment number, even if it proves a source of great controversy and fighting. We will no longer involve ourselves in this process. As such we will return it to the last community member that had possession of said regiment name.
2. Now, even though we are from now going to step back from these kind of decisions and loosen the grip we try to have over the community, there may be a time in the future when such decisions may need to be made. But it will no longer only be in our hands, instead If such a time comes, we will need a base of respected players who can give an informed opinion on such decisions, before we make them. Thus, we will be instituting a new group of players on our forums, the NW Community Representatives. They will be nominated by the community, and will have access to a new forum board area. If FSE sees a need to make a community altering decision, we will first post the proposal of such in this area, in order to gain necessary community feedback so as to make an informed decision. This place will be carefully watched Their opinions will guide our policy, and allow the community a voice to the FSE management.
We will be setting up the Community Representative Process shortly. I look forward to serious dialogue taking place, with real solutions being found with help from both the administration and the community.
Let me guess, more "well-knowns" who "deserve admin"? ::)
Personally I would like a review of all forum punishments given out in the past few weeks. For example James Grant was a victim of over-zealous moderation and now multiple regiments and even the Anglo Zulu mod are suffering because he is still unable to post.
#freejamesgrant
Hello Everyone,
In light of recent comments and opinions voiced by some of the community, we feel its best to restate the position of FSE in relation to the community and the official servers. The servers which we maintain are done so on a voluntary basis at private expense for the benefit of the public players for the sake of community, we try to host servers that are open to all and and are fun to play on, to the best of our ability.
Now, the difficulty of maintaining these servers is obvious and despite our efforts, there will be failures on the part of the admin team and the owners. As a game development company we have overstepped ourselves when dealing with the community. To that end, we will be making certain changes in regards how FSE deals with the community:
1. FSE will be taking a step back from community altering decisions. In our pursuit of stopping an argument that had been made three times over the possession of the 51st name we rashly decided to remove the object that was contested, instead of punishing the ones who were breaking forum policy. Inadvertently we managed to punish the entire community by removing something that rightfully should have been theirs. For this, we apologize, and will now rectify. We will no longer withhold any regiment number, even if it proves a source of great controversy and fighting. We will no longer involve ourselves in this process. As such we will return it to the last community member that had possession of said regiment name.
2. Now, even though we are from now going to step back from these kind of decisions and loosen the grip we try to have over the community, there may be a time in the future when such decisions may need to be made. But it will no longer only be in our hands, instead If such a time comes, we will need a base of respected players who can give an informed opinion on such decisions, before we make them. Thus, we will be instituting a new group of players on our forums, the NW Community Representatives. They will be nominated by the community, and will have access to a new forum board area. If FSE sees a need to make a community altering decision, we will first post the proposal of such in this area, in order to gain necessary community feedback so as to make an informed decision. This place will be carefully watched Their opinions will guide our policy, and allow the community a voice to the FSE management.
We will be setting up the Community Representative Process shortly. I look forward to serious dialogue taking place, with real solutions being found with help from both the administration and the community.
Let me guess, more "well-knowns" who "deserve admin"? ::)
Would rather have them choosing than having the fate of the forums be in the hands of these so-called revolutionaries
We will be happy if you unban Daniel, Craig etc. Who got banned from the forums. It is our demand. The people wants it.
For the benefit of the people, I'll compile the list of grievances I find are rational in a simple list, and accompanied proposals on how to fix them. This may seem similar to the OP, but considering people have already strayed a considerable distance in page length from there, this may be helpful and accessible for newcomers, and those involved in the debate to keep their conversations on track. Let me know if there are any addendums you would like me to add, and I'll repost with the updated list if I find the grievance bears merit.I don't agree with your first bullet. I was pretty much a "nobody in a videogame" which as I said makes no sense, but I will just be speaking using your thinking process. Even without being well known, not in a big regiment and all this other stuff people think influence the admin choosings, I was still chosen and warmly welcomed into the team. You guys don't even know how the process goes because it is all behind the scenes.
1. The selection process for Administrative Positions on the forums and for the servers is faulty, based too much on popularity, "veterancy" in the community, and favoritism on the part of the existing Administrative and Developer Staff. This brings in administrators who may display symptoms of personal indulgence and corruption, heavy-handedness, and hot-headedness.
-The solution would be a transparent reform of the way Administrators are picked. While they should not be community chosen, community input should be valued and put into legitimate consideration.
2. A continuation on the previous grievance, the appearance of nepotism on behalf of the staff, in particular Vincenzo, is deeply troubling in regards to the legitimacy of a 'professional', commercial company of any kind.
-Removal of administrator rights for those who benefit from nepotism should be immediate, regardless of ability. Corruption on the part of staff members should be seen as unacceptable.
3. The crackdowns on opinions and ideas from the community, including thread locking, mutes, bans permanent and temporary, and post deletion have made the FSE development and administrative staff quite infamous. It degrades its professionalism in the eyes of customers, and brings doubt into their seriousness and ability to carry projects through to completion, as well as satisfy community desires and improvements.
-Unban all those who have been banned solely due to voicing their concerns about the community, the staff, and issues with the game. The development staff should make an effort to show that community presented issues with gameplay, administrative rulings, or ideas for upcoming updates and games are appreciated, most importantly, giving equal attention to all well presented suggestions, with no favoritism in regards to community history or donations.
That is all that came to mind based on my viewing of the thread. Please let me know in a well presented post if there are any more grievances you would like added to the list, and I will duly add them shortly.
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I don't agree with your first bullet. I was pretty much a "nobody in a videogame" which as I said makes no sense, but I will just be speaking using your thinking process. Even without being well known, not in a big regiment and all this other stuff people think influence the admin choosings, I was still chosen and warmly welcomed into the team. You guys don't even know how the process goes because it is all behind the scenes.
For the benefit of the people, I'll compile the list of grievances I find are rational in a simple list, and accompanied proposals on how to fix them. This may seem similar to the OP, but considering people have already strayed a considerable distance in page length from there, this may be helpful and accessible for newcomers, and those involved in the debate to keep their conversations on track. Let me know if there are any addendums you would like me to add, and I'll repost with the updated list if I find the grievance bears merit.I don't agree with your first bullet. I was pretty much a "nobody in a videogame" which as I said makes no sense, but I will just be speaking using your thinking process. Even without being well known, not in a big regiment and all this other stuff people think influence the admin choosings, I was still chosen and warmly welcomed into the team. You guys don't even know how the process goes because it is all behind the scenes.
1. The selection process for Administrative Positions on the forums and for the servers is faulty, based too much on popularity, "veterancy" in the community, and favoritism on the part of the existing Administrative and Developer Staff. This brings in administrators who may display symptoms of personal indulgence and corruption, heavy-handedness, and hot-headedness.
-The solution would be a transparent reform of the way Administrators are picked. While they should not be community chosen, community input should be valued and put into legitimate consideration.
2. A continuation on the previous grievance, the appearance of nepotism on behalf of the staff, in particular Vincenzo, is deeply troubling in regards to the legitimacy of a 'professional', commercial company of any kind.
-Removal of administrator rights for those who benefit from nepotism should be immediate, regardless of ability. Corruption on the part of staff members should be seen as unacceptable.
3. The crackdowns on opinions and ideas from the community, including thread locking, mutes, bans permanent and temporary, and post deletion have made the FSE development and administrative staff quite infamous. It degrades its professionalism in the eyes of customers, and brings doubt into their seriousness and ability to carry projects through to completion, as well as satisfy community desires and improvements.
-Unban all those who have been banned solely due to voicing their concerns about the community, the staff, and issues with the game. The development staff should make an effort to show that community presented issues with gameplay, administrative rulings, or ideas for upcoming updates and games are appreciated, most importantly, giving equal attention to all well presented suggestions, with no favoritism in regards to community history or donations.
That is all that came to mind based on my viewing of the thread. Please let me know in a well presented post if there are any more grievances you would like added to the list, and I will duly add them shortly.
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He did say, we would nominate them, so I don't get your point.They should have an interview process that lasts a week or so.Hello Everyone,
In light of recent comments and opinions voiced by some of the community, we feel its best to restate the position of FSE in relation to the community and the official servers. The servers which we maintain are done so on a voluntary basis at private expense for the benefit of the public players for the sake of community, we try to host servers that are open to all and and are fun to play on, to the best of our ability.
Now, the difficulty of maintaining these servers is obvious and despite our efforts, there will be failures on the part of the admin team and the owners. As a game development company we have overstepped ourselves when dealing with the community. To that end, we will be making certain changes in regards how FSE deals with the community:
1. FSE will be taking a step back from community altering decisions. In our pursuit of stopping an argument that had been made three times over the possession of the 51st name we rashly decided to remove the object that was contested, instead of punishing the ones who were breaking forum policy. Inadvertently we managed to punish the entire community by removing something that rightfully should have been theirs. For this, we apologize, and will now rectify. We will no longer withhold any regiment number, even if it proves a source of great controversy and fighting. We will no longer involve ourselves in this process. As such we will return it to the last community member that had possession of said regiment name.
2. Now, even though we are from now going to step back from these kind of decisions and loosen the grip we try to have over the community, there may be a time in the future when such decisions may need to be made. But it will no longer only be in our hands, instead If such a time comes, we will need a base of respected players who can give an informed opinion on such decisions, before we make them. Thus, we will be instituting a new group of players on our forums, the NW Community Representatives. They will be nominated by the community, and will have access to a new forum board area. If FSE sees a need to make a community altering decision, we will first post the proposal of such in this area, in order to gain necessary community feedback so as to make an informed decision. This place will be carefully watched Their opinions will guide our policy, and allow the community a voice to the FSE management.
We will be setting up the Community Representative Process shortly. I look forward to serious dialogue taking place, with real solutions being found with help from both the administration and the community.
Let me guess, more "well-knowns" who "deserve admin"? ::)
I rarely get involved in this community, except for a few isolated jaunts into Mount and Blade: Napoleonic Wars, but recent events have caught my attention here. And while I get why there is some internal conflict within the "revolutionaries", as it were, I think it is valuable to take a step back and marvel at this:
"The main administrator of the forum actually made his girlfriend an administrator."
For those who defend them on behalf of the fact that they made the game, well, you would have been right a couple years ago when the group was a non-commercial modding group. However, they are now a fully independent, commercial game development studio, and they should put on their big boy britches, mature to criticism, and act like it.
That's my two cents. I'll be generous to myself and call it reason. 'Tis easy to get caught up in all this, so I thought I'd share my thoughts, is all. Hopefully I will be allowed to continue doing so in the days ahead. Thank you for your consideration.
-The solution would be a transparent reform of the way Administrators are picked. While they should not be community chosen, community input should be valued and put into legitimate consideration.I don't agree with your first bullet. I was pretty much a "nobody in a videogame" which as I said makes no sense, but I will just be speaking using your thinking process. Even without being well known, not in a big regiment and all this other stuff people think influence the admin choosings, I was still chosen and warmly welcomed into the team. You guys don't even know how the process goes because it is all behind the scenes.
He did say, we would nominate them, so I don't get your point.They should have an interview process that lasts a week or so.Hello Everyone,
In light of recent comments and opinions voiced by some of the community, we feel its best to restate the position of FSE in relation to the community and the official servers. The servers which we maintain are done so on a voluntary basis at private expense for the benefit of the public players for the sake of community, we try to host servers that are open to all and and are fun to play on, to the best of our ability.
Now, the difficulty of maintaining these servers is obvious and despite our efforts, there will be failures on the part of the admin team and the owners. As a game development company we have overstepped ourselves when dealing with the community. To that end, we will be making certain changes in regards how FSE deals with the community:
1. FSE will be taking a step back from community altering decisions. In our pursuit of stopping an argument that had been made three times over the possession of the 51st name we rashly decided to remove the object that was contested, instead of punishing the ones who were breaking forum policy. Inadvertently we managed to punish the entire community by removing something that rightfully should have been theirs. For this, we apologize, and will now rectify. We will no longer withhold any regiment number, even if it proves a source of great controversy and fighting. We will no longer involve ourselves in this process. As such we will return it to the last community member that had possession of said regiment name.
2. Now, even though we are from now going to step back from these kind of decisions and loosen the grip we try to have over the community, there may be a time in the future when such decisions may need to be made. But it will no longer only be in our hands, instead If such a time comes, we will need a base of respected players who can give an informed opinion on such decisions, before we make them. Thus, we will be instituting a new group of players on our forums, the NW Community Representatives. They will be nominated by the community, and will have access to a new forum board area. If FSE sees a need to make a community altering decision, we will first post the proposal of such in this area, in order to gain necessary community feedback so as to make an informed decision. This place will be carefully watched Their opinions will guide our policy, and allow the community a voice to the FSE management.
We will be setting up the Community Representative Process shortly. I look forward to serious dialogue taking place, with real solutions being found with help from both the administration and the community.
Let me guess, more "well-knowns" who "deserve admin"? ::)
I personally do not frequent the Official Servers often, though from what I hear things have not been going well. As for some forum issues, I also think or rather though, that they were not being dealt with properly.
Refleax's post is in my eyes a satisfying step towards agreement.
There is one point I would like to add however which has already been mentioned, but I will nevertheless bring it back to mind.
There should be a poll or something of that sort, in which the community can decide who they want to keep as admins and who should lose their power. This should apply for most current admins, however some people even if disagreeable are necessary and thus should be excluded from the poll.
As for Death by EMP's earlier post, all I can say is Hekko is not someone who needs to be someone special. He has done tons for the community and has at least made the EU part of NW a lot more fun. He also clearly mentioned that he had HEARD of some things from the US part of NW, thus implicating that here, he is not certain. This evidently ruffled your feathers, eventhough it shouldn't have.
This is at least one suggestion and only MY opinion.Thanks for the answer Refleax.
Since everyone is clearly ungrateful of what the US administration team is doing, and our own team members from the other side clearly think we are doing things wrong, I will be resigning from the administration team and will have my formal letter wrote out and posted soon. Thanks for the time everyone, maybe now I can actually enjoy the game like I used to.
Hello Everyone,
In light of recent comments and opinions voiced by some of the community, we feel its best to restate the position of FSE in relation to the community and the official servers. The servers which we maintain are done so on a voluntary basis at private expense for the benefit of the public players for the sake of community, we try to host servers that are open to all and and are fun to play on, to the best of our ability.
Now, the difficulty of maintaining these servers is obvious and despite our efforts, there will be failures on the part of the admin team and the owners. As a game development company we have overstepped ourselves when dealing with the community. To that end, we will be making certain changes in regards how FSE deals with the community:
1. FSE will be taking a step back from community altering decisions. In our pursuit of stopping an argument that had been made three times over the possession of the 51st name we rashly decided to remove the object that was contested, instead of punishing the ones who were breaking forum policy. Inadvertently we managed to punish the entire community by removing something that rightfully should have been theirs. For this, we apologize, and will now rectify. We will no longer withhold any regiment number, even if it proves a source of great controversy and fighting. We will no longer involve ourselves in this process. As such we will return it to the last community member that had possession of said regiment name.
2. Now, even though we are from now going to step back from these kind of decisions and loosen the grip we try to have over the community, there may be a time in the future when such decisions may need to be made. But it will no longer only be in our hands, instead If such a time comes, we will need a base of respected players who can give an informed opinion on such decisions, before we make them. Thus, we will be instituting a new group of players on our forums, the NW Community Representatives. They will be nominated by the community, and will have access to a new forum board area. If FSE sees a need to make a community altering decision, we will first post the proposal of such in this area, in order to gain necessary community feedback so as to make an informed decision. This place will be carefully watched Their opinions will guide our policy, and allow the community a voice to the FSE management.
We will be setting up the Community Representative Process shortly. I look forward to serious dialogue taking place, with real solutions being found with help from both the administration and the community.
Let me guess, more "well-knowns" who "deserve admin"? ::)
Would rather have them choosing than having the fate of the forums be in the hands of these so-called revolutionaries
You really hate people, dont you?
Have to disagree with you on the poll idea Jackie ma bro. General community polls to decide something like that is just as open to abuse and scandal, as we saw with the 'Champions of europe'. Perhaps i'm fucking over the solution, but a community initiative, based upoin respected, transparant and fair leaders is preferable than an absolute democracy. In which anyone can vote to sway things.Quite right, quite right. Still I think this would be a better thing to do. It could simply be a poll, without a propper thread, where you can post. This would naturally hide the reasons for the votes, but would at least keep it clean (as long as there's no poll rigging...). Plus, I would give the community a second chance at this, since it is the democratic way. We would be given the chance to make up for our own faults and show some maturity on our part. If we demand change fromt FSE, then we should also try to better ourselves.
Yes, let us just end it here for now and let this cool down for the night eh?
Wow, I didn't think this would go this far. Lay off trying to get Vincenzo to speak, plus I do agree with Hekko. But I find it incredibly stupid how people are posting popcorn gifs or memes I also find it stupid how people are making a signature for this. I agree with USE4life, the best thing right now would be unban James Grant/Jezza, Daniel, Biggun, Craig and all the other people whom were banned. I do like the idea of a bunch of people being representatives. But in a way I think it'll be another Champion of Europe fight sorta thing. So it'll be good to have them in a more secure area as you said.People like you describe are the scum of this community.
But really, I speak for myself and maybe some other members of this community, what would make everyone happy, is the 51st rule removal. Which has been granted, and the unban of everyone we said, Biggun, James, Dan, Craig etc etc...
And the fix of the administrator recruitment and punishment.
Oh, and stop bloody sending abusive messages to people just because of their options, leave Jacob alone!
EDIT: Warning - while you were typing 10 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post. Bloody hell.
Hello Everyone,
In light of recent comments and opinions voiced by some of the community, we feel its best to restate the position of FSE in relation to the community and the official servers. The servers which we maintain are done so on a voluntary basis at private expense for the benefit of the public players for the sake of community, we try to host servers that are open to all and and are fun to play on, to the best of our ability.
Now, the difficulty of maintaining these servers is obvious and despite our efforts, there will be failures on the part of the admin team and the owners. As a game development company we have overstepped ourselves when dealing with the community. To that end, we will be making certain changes in regards how FSE deals with the community:
1. FSE will be taking a step back from community altering decisions. In our pursuit of stopping an argument that had been made three times over the possession of the 51st name we rashly decided to remove the object that was contested, instead of punishing the ones who were breaking forum policy. Inadvertently we managed to punish the entire community by removing something that rightfully should have been theirs. For this, we apologize, and will now rectify. We will no longer withhold any regiment number, even if it proves a source of great controversy and fighting. We will no longer involve ourselves in this process. As such we will return it to the last community member that had possession of said regiment name.
2. Now, even though we are from now going to step back from these kind of decisions and loosen the grip we try to have over the community, there may be a time in the future when such decisions may need to be made. But it will no longer only be in our hands, instead If such a time comes, we will need a base of respected players who can give an informed opinion on such decisions, before we make them. Thus, we will be instituting a new group of players on our forums, the NW Community Representatives. They will be nominated by the community, and will have access to a new forum board area. If FSE sees a need to make a community altering decision, we will first post the proposal of such in this area, in order to gain necessary community feedback so as to make an informed decision. This place will be carefully watched Their opinions will guide our policy, and allow the community a voice to the FSE management.
We will be setting up the Community Representative Process shortly. I look forward to serious dialogue taking place, with real solutions being found with help from both the administration and the community.
Let me guess, more "well-knowns" who "deserve admin"? ::)
Would rather have them choosing than having the fate of the forums be in the hands of these so-called revolutionaries
You really hate people, dont you?
No, but I do hate shit stirring kids unable to bring anything valuable to the table. You seem to fit the bill, Modig. Just another creature coming out of the woodworks to take part in the collective feast of idiocy. I'm not letting anyone of you speak for me. How about a moderate faction? What? Not fitting the "I'm 15 and angry at the establishment" sentiment that's going on? Shame.
How about we give it a rest for now? Tensions are rising, and for no reason. FSE has made their point, and we should wait for now.
For one, I support Vikestad as being a Representative (silly word). While we certainly don't agree on everything, I think he really wants the best for the community, instead of one part of it.
I'd also recommend against locking the thread. The community should be able to voice its thoughts, and everyone should have a chance to share their opinion on the events, as part of this community and a paying customer, provided they do not overstep forum rules.
Hekko, This wasn't a good way to handle it.He did state that he has talked to them and without success. He said he was able to bring some changes for the melee system, but that they took forever.
People should stop jumping on the band-wagon because it's cool to be against people, stirring up shit on this forums that has a player base of 60% minors is not a good idea, take it to a more private place if it is annoying you that much, I for one am not too happy about the 51st Locking, but it is a lot better to talk about it or do it in a more private way, this problem has just been tripled by everyone saying "Yeah go Hekko! Nice idea Bro" But still, the 51st is just a number a number out of a billion other options people could choose to make a name with. Now I am not siding with the developers or anyone, I am just pointing out that you are helping No-one by bitching about it on a public forum, and for god sake, putting a personal complaint about Melee into this is just silly, you don't like the melee, talk to someone, don't take the piss, It is so sad that it has come to this, the Developers never "Abandoned" us, it is just silly and childish to believe that.
Anyway, that is my opinion, take it as it is.
No, this should be handled publicly, as it is an issue that has concerned a significant segment of the community.
And seriously? Your counter-argument is we are against them because it is "hip and cool"? Spare me. Please quote arguments you find faulty, and debate them, or else you're no better than the "Yeah go Hekko!" crowd.
No, this should be handled publicly, as it is an issue that has concerned a significant segment of the community.At least some people are talking sense. Most of this is irrational, eventhough this post kind of went borderline too. :P
And seriously? Your counter-argument is we are against them because it is "hip and cool"? Spare me. Please quote arguments you find faulty, and debate them, or else you're no better than the "Yeah go Hekko!" crowd.
It wasn't a counter-argument, I am not on any side, I was simply pointing out this isn't helping anyone.
This community is depriving, and frankly, more disturbed and messed up then the administrators.Indeed it is, but posts like this don't really help.
You obviously missed the part where I resigned because of you and a few other admins acting as if the US admin team needs to be babysat, and that we are below you. Now I may be reading wrong, but I think a good portion of your post was indeed about community "standings". To add on to that you publicly "insulting", and yes, I do believe it was insulting, rather than helpful, is entirely opposite of how a proper admin should present himself. To add on to that even more, you spoke as a member of the community and as an admin, therefore representing the admin team as well. I clearly stated that I was speaking as myself and my post had no ties to the rest of the admin team. Finally don't tell me that I need to step back and think, because I already did just that, and I decided that since everyone treats us like shit, including you, an outstanding member of the community and a member of the admin team, I did not want to deal with such offensive people. I will use what you told me "if this post is indicitave of how you admin you might want to take a step back and think a bit", I already did just that, but you certainly have not, and it is for the best that you do. I find it ironic that the "EU admin team" was supposedly monitoring us when apparently you were the team that needed the monitoring, since it was indeed you, a EU admin, who has made the mistake of breaking several admin regulations, in public.I rarely get involved in this community, except for a few isolated jaunts into Mount and Blade: Napoleonic Wars, but recent events have caught my attention here. And while I get why there is some internal conflict within the "revolutionaries", as it were, I think it is valuable to take a step back and marvel at this:
"The main administrator of the forum actually made his girlfriend an administrator."
For those who defend them on behalf of the fact that they made the game, well, you would have been right a couple years ago when the group was a non-commercial modding group. However, they are now a fully independent, commercial game development studio, and they should put on their big boy britches, mature to criticism, and act like it.
That's my two cents. I'll be generous to myself and call it reason. 'Tis easy to get caught up in all this, so I thought I'd share my thoughts, is all. Hopefully I will be allowed to continue doing so in the days ahead. Thank you for your consideration.
There is alot I could respond too, but I think this is probably sums up the core of the problem the best.
FSE never has made the transition between being a group of people giving away a mod for free, to a commercial company. I hosted a party last night, a friend brought me a bottle a Galliano. I was grateful for it. The week before I hosted a separate party, I went to the store and bought a bottle of Galliano, I wasn't grateful towards the salesman because I paid for the product fair and square. Vince cannot assume that we owe him gratitude for making the game, because we have now payed for it, so he therefore has no gratitude to draw upon for people to turn a blind eye to his faux-pas. The obvious solution being to act up and not commit faux-pas.
FSE has not realised this and before they do there won't be any true change, because everything else is a symptom of this.
As Vorlen says I am not on a witchhunt for the admins, those who have overstepped their boundries know it, those who have not should not feel targeted. Death by EMP, if the way you responded to this is in anyway indicitave of how you admin you might want to take a step back and think a bit, because LittleGuy's response is by far better, more efficient and befitting of an admin. I am breaking two rules, the ridicolous solidarity rule and the secrecy rule, both of which serve to keep the community in the dark. I think a community is better of if the choices are made in such a way that they stand up to scrutiny.
Also, I would like to ask all of you not to bombard people who disagree with disrespectful PMs, a part of the problem is that dissenters have been silenced previously, so lets not be as bad as the top level administrators and let everyone have their say, regardless if you agree with the content on not.
Regarding Refleax's response:
It's a step in the right direction. However, it lacks a bit about codifying rules that are easy to understand and the reasoning behind them explained. People should understand why the rules are rules, that way people are alot more likely to comply. And all admins should be able to cite the reasoning if challenged for it.
And it still fails get to the core of the poodle, as outlined in the post I quoted, i.e. the fact that FSE actually has to earn the respect now rather than assuming it as granted, earning the respect through being fair, following their own rules and generally behaving better when admining and managing the community.
Hekko, This wasn't a good way to handle it.I wholeheartedly agree. I also agree with Ni on the Us administration subject.
People should stop jumping on the band-wagon because it's cool to be against people, stirring up shit on this forums that has a player base of 60% minors is not a good idea, take it to a more private place if it is annoying you that much, I for one am not too happy about the 51st Locking, but it is a lot better to talk about it or do it in a more private way, this problem has just been tripled by everyone saying "Yeah go Hekko! Nice idea Bro" But still, the 51st is just a number a number out of a billion other options people could choose to make a name with. Now I am not siding with the developers or anyone, I am just pointing out that you are helping No-one by bitching about it on a public forum, and for god sake, putting a personal complaint about Melee into this is just silly, you don't like the melee, talk to someone, don't take the piss, It is so sad that it has come to this, the Developers never "Abandoned" us, it is just silly and childish to believe that.
Anyway, that is my opinion, take it as it is.
EDIT:
And get rid of all that "Revolution" Crap, it isn't helping anyone, stop trying to be hip and cool, Christ.
Bai.
Well after reading through this thread for the last 20mins, I can't say I am surprised. Yes, the team made some weird decisions and things where getting out of control (Craigs ban, and only Craigs ban). Some of the insulting remarks is horrendous in this thread. Read through the thread again when you aren't high as a kite looking for drama, which I know for a fact some of you are. Look at what "community" you make us out to be. Not one I would want to be apart of and one I am thankful I know in reality it isn't.
Firstly lets get down to the server administration. Of which there is a lot I could say on the issue however I will keep it brief to the topics already mentioned as this isn't the place to bring up more. EU server, how many of you have been wronged by the admin, I repeat, ADMIN, not dev. I couldn't imagine the list is long. I have played on many games and we are quite lucky for the EU server and team we have. I admit we do make some mistakes, however it isn't out of ill-will, we are doing this TO HELP other players, obviously. Hence why if you ask for an admin in the chat we try and address your concern or when you message us on steam, we try and help you out. Sure there are some questionable people in the team and more thinking needs to be done before appointing more admins. There is a big uproar about "well known people getting admin". Tell me, how do you become well know? More than likely being on the server, which is pretty key when selecting an admin, so I do not understand that logic.
On to the US team. Quite frankly I have no idea how any EU member can critise them. Tell me Hekko, how many times have you been on the US server? I bet its not more than I have. You have no idea the difference and the hard job US admins have. So please, don't start busting out wild accusations by saying you heard this or that just as a way to attack FSE.
Now onto the main point. Forum administration. I think the real issue here is, rules are not specific enough and perhaps there just isn't enough coverage. I have seen plenty of pathetic drama on this forum, some of it is funny I must admit, some of it is just boring and lame (51st name). I do not agree, as previously stated with Craigs ban, was a tad heavy handed, which must be avoided so that a forum can be what it should. A place of free discussion, ideas etc. I understand that inorder to grow the community the forums need to be a welcoming place and lets be fair, we as a community somewhat fail on that one. We can not solely blame FSE team for it, however they should take some heat for their role played, of which is being over reacted upon in this thread.
Reading through this thread I saw little but pity arguing with only a few posts worth reading. We need to rethink the struct of the forum and how and what should be punished and how. With a clear and transparent system so that people know whats happening and why.
I hope that this post will be taken in the light it was wrote in and not simply bashed. I also hope you provide something to the discussion so that we can finally put this community to rest. Which btw is far more peaceful than some of the other ones I have and still am in (total war...my goodness lol).
Bai.
So I would ask, please lock this thread before this gets any more out of hand, its not needed and will just turn into a flame war / a conflict of opinions.
So I would ask, please lock this thread before this gets any more out of hand, its not needed and will just turn into a flame war / a conflict of opinions.
I don't see why sharing of opinions should be reined in. :-\
Well after reading through this thread for the last 20mins, I can't say I am surprised. Yes, the team made some weird decisions and things where getting out of control (Craigs ban, and only Craigs ban). Some of the insulting remarks is horrendous in this thread. Read through the thread again when you aren't high as a kite looking for drama, which I know for a fact some of you are. Look at what "community" you make us out to be. Not one I would want to be apart of and one I am thankful I know in reality it isn't.
Firstly lets get down to the server administration. Of which there is a lot I could say on the issue however I will keep it brief to the topics already mentioned as this isn't the place to bring up more. EU server, how many of you have been wronged by the admin, I repeat, ADMIN, not dev. I couldn't imagine the list is long. I have played on many games and we are quite lucky for the EU server and team we have. I admit we do make some mistakes, however it isn't out of ill-will, we are doing this TO HELP other players, obviously. Hence why if you ask for an admin in the chat we try and address your concern or when you message us on steam, we try and help you out. Sure there are some questionable people in the team and more thinking needs to be done before appointing more admins. There is a big uproar about "well known people getting admin". Tell me, how do you become well know? More than likely being on the server, which is pretty key when selecting an admin, so I do not understand that logic.
On to the US team. Quite frankly I have no idea how any EU member can critise them. Tell me Hekko, how many times have you been on the US server? I bet its not more than I have. You have no idea the difference and the hard job US admins have. So please, don't start busting out wild accusations by saying you heard this or that just as a way to attack FSE.
Now onto the main point. Forum administration. I think the real issue here is, rules are not specific enough and perhaps there just isn't enough coverage. I have seen plenty of pathetic drama on this forum, some of it is funny I must admit, some of it is just boring and lame (51st name). I do not agree, as previously stated with Craigs ban, was a tad heavy handed, which must be avoided so that a forum can be what it should. A place of free discussion, ideas etc. I understand that inorder to grow the community the forums need to be a welcoming place and lets be fair, we as a community somewhat fail on that one. We can not solely blame FSE team for it, however they should take some heat for their role played, of which is being over reacted upon in this thread.
Reading through this thread I saw little but pity arguing with only a few posts worth reading. We need to rethink the struct of the forum and how and what should be punished and how. With a clear and transparent system so that people know whats happening and why.
I hope that this post will be taken in the light it was wrote in and not simply bashed. I also hope you provide something to the discussion so that we can finally put this community to rest. Which btw is far more peaceful than some of the other ones I have and still am in (total war...my goodness lol).
Bai.
Well after reading through this thread for the last 20mins, I can't say I am surprised. Yes, the team made some weird decisions and things where getting out of control (Craigs ban, and only Craigs ban). Some of the insulting remarks is horrendous in this thread. Read through the thread again when you aren't high as a kite looking for drama, which I know for a fact some of you are. Look at what "community" you make us out to be. Not one I would want to be apart of and one I am thankful I know in reality it isn't.
Firstly lets get down to the server administration. Of which there is a lot I could say on the issue however I will keep it brief to the topics already mentioned as this isn't the place to bring up more. EU server, how many of you have been wronged by the admin, I repeat, ADMIN, not dev. I couldn't imagine the list is long. I have played on many games and we are quite lucky for the EU server and team we have. I admit we do make some mistakes, however it isn't out of ill-will, we are doing this TO HELP other players, obviously. Hence why if you ask for an admin in the chat we try and address your concern or when you message us on steam, we try and help you out. Sure there are some questionable people in the team and more thinking needs to be done before appointing more admins. There is a big uproar about "well known people getting admin". Tell me, how do you become well know? More than likely being on the server, which is pretty key when selecting an admin, so I do not understand that logic.
On to the US team. Quite frankly I have no idea how any EU member can critise them. Tell me Hekko, how many times have you been on the US server? I bet its not more than I have. You have no idea the difference and the hard job US admins have. So please, don't start busting out wild accusations by saying you heard this or that just as a way to attack FSE.
Now onto the main point. Forum administration. I think the real issue here is, rules are not specific enough and perhaps there just isn't enough coverage. I have seen plenty of pathetic drama on this forum, some of it is funny I must admit, some of it is just boring and lame (51st name). I do not agree, as previously stated with Craigs ban, was a tad heavy handed, which must be avoided so that a forum can be what it should. A place of free discussion, ideas etc. I understand that inorder to grow the community the forums need to be a welcoming place and lets be fair, we as a community somewhat fail on that one. We can not solely blame FSE team for it, however they should take some heat for their role played, of which is being over reacted upon in this thread.
Reading through this thread I saw little but pity arguing with only a few posts worth reading. We need to rethink the struct of the forum and how and what should be punished and how. With a clear and transparent system so that people know whats happening and why.
I hope that this post will be taken in the light it was wrote in and not simply bashed. I also hope you provide something to the discussion so that we can finally put this community to rest. Which btw is far more peaceful than some of the other ones I have and still am in (total war...my goodness lol).
Bai.
So I would ask, please lock this thread before this gets any more out of hand, its not needed and will just turn into a flame war / a conflict of opinions.
I don't see why sharing of opinions should be reined in. :-\
It's no longer about sharing opinions, sadly. Things have been said, decisions have been made. There's, at this moment, nothing to be done, and we should lock this thread before people are saying stuff they shouldn't (In fact, they are already).
Well after reading through this thread for the last 20mins, I can't say I am surprised. Yes, the team made some weird decisions and things where getting out of control (Craigs ban, and only Craigs ban). Some of the insulting remarks is horrendous in this thread. Read through the thread again when you aren't high as a kite looking for drama, which I know for a fact some of you are. Look at what "community" you make us out to be. Not one I would want to be apart of and one I am thankful I know in reality it isn't.No that was not the point... i suggest you read it again, the point is that people that really do an effort for this game get cracked down and people that get invited to join, raise eyebrows in the community
Firstly lets get down to the server administration. Of which there is a lot I could say on the issue however I will keep it brief to the topics already mentioned as this isn't the place to bring up more. EU server, how many of you have been wronged by the admin, I repeat, ADMIN, not dev. I couldn't imagine the list is long. I have played on many games and we are quite lucky for the EU server and team we have. I admit we do make some mistakes, however it isn't out of ill-will, we are doing this TO HELP other players, obviously. Hence why if you ask for an admin in the chat we try and address your concern or when you message us on steam, we try and help you out. Sure there are some questionable people in the team and more thinking needs to be done before appointing more admins. There is a big uproar about "well known people getting admin". Tell me, how do you become well know? More than likely being on the server, which is pretty key when selecting an admin, so I do not understand that logic.
On to the US team. Quite frankly I have no idea how any EU member can critise them. Tell me Hekko, how many times have you been on the US server? I bet its not more than I have. You have no idea the difference and the hard job US admins have. So please, don't start busting out wild accusations by saying you heard this or that just as a way to attack FSE.
Now onto the main point. Forum administration. I think the real issue here is, rules are not specific enough and perhaps there just isn't enough coverage. I have seen plenty of pathetic drama on this forum, some of it is funny I must admit, some of it is just boring and lame (51st name). I do not agree, as previously stated with Craigs ban, was a tad heavy handed, which must be avoided so that a forum can be what it should. A place of free discussion, ideas etc. I understand that inorder to grow the community the forums need to be a welcoming place and lets be fair, we as a community somewhat fail on that one. We can not solely blame FSE team for it, however they should take some heat for their role played, of which is being over reacted upon in this thread.
Reading through this thread I saw little but pity arguing with only a few posts worth reading. We need to rethink the struct of the forum and how and what should be punished and how. With a clear and transparent system so that people know whats happening and why.
I hope that this post will be taken in the light it was wrote in and not simply bashed. I also hope you provide something to the discussion so that we can finally put this community to rest. Which btw is far more peaceful than some of the other ones I have and still am in (total war...my goodness lol).
Bai.
All I can say is FSE need to SoRt their shit out unless they wanna loose supportThey've already taken some steps. If you want to know the entire thing, you'd have to read everything. Took me forever, but then at least you can give some proper arguments. :P
What steps? appointing reps? how much do you actually think they can do? it will be just as corrupt as it is nowAll I can say is FSE need to SoRt their shit out unless they wanna loose supportThey've already taken some steps. If you want to know the entire thing, you'd have to read everything. Took me forever, but then at least you can give some proper arguments. :P
Hello Everyone,This is what they have decided on doing so far.
In light of recent comments and opinions voiced by some of the community, we feel its best to restate the position of FSE in relation to the community and the official servers. The servers which we maintain are done so on a voluntary basis at private expense for the benefit of the public players for the sake of community, we try to host servers that are open to all and and are fun to play on, to the best of our ability.
Now, the difficulty of maintaining these servers is obvious and despite our efforts, there will be failures on the part of the admin team and the owners. As a game development company we have overstepped ourselves when dealing with the community. To that end, we will be making certain changes in regards how FSE deals with the community:
1. FSE will be taking a step back from community altering decisions. In our pursuit of stopping an argument that had been made three times over the possession of the 51st name we rashly decided to remove the object that was contested, instead of punishing the ones who were breaking forum policy. Inadvertently we managed to punish the entire community by removing something that rightfully should have been theirs. For this, we apologize, and will now rectify. We will no longer withhold any regiment number, even if it proves a source of great controversy and fighting. We will no longer involve ourselves in this process. As such we will return it to the last community member that had possession of said regiment name.
2. Now, even though we are from now going to step back from these kind of decisions and loosen the grip we try to have over the community, there may be a time in the future when such decisions may need to be made. But it will no longer only be in our hands, instead If such a time comes, we will need a base of respected players who can give an informed opinion on such decisions, before we make them. Thus, we will be instituting a new group of players on our forums, the NW Community Representatives. They will be nominated by the community, and will have access to a new forum board area. If FSE sees a need to make a community altering decision, we will first post the proposal of such in this area, in order to gain necessary community feedback so as to make an informed decision. This place will be carefully watched Their opinions will guide our policy, and allow the community a voice to the FSE management.
We will be setting up the Community Representative Process shortly. I look forward to serious dialogue taking place, with real solutions being found with help from both the administration and the community.
Steps are called steps for a reason. They are gradual. You can't just magically appear in another place; you have to walk there.What steps? appointing reps? how much do you actually think they can do? it will be just as corrupt as it is nowAll I can say is FSE need to SoRt their shit out unless they wanna loose supportThey've already taken some steps. If you want to know the entire thing, you'd have to read everything. Took me forever, but then at least you can give some proper arguments. :P
Ni, I think you are correct with most of your points.
Criticizing the US side may not have been the right thing to do, though he also didn't force that topic, but merely said that he had heard some things, so I wouldn't elaborate on the US administrations, since I haven't heard any NA players specifically voice their complaints about the US Administration.
As for the EU Administration I have also never really seen any injustice, since I seldomly frequent the Official Servers, though reading some of the posts here, the appointing of admins does seem quite biased. True, they are mostly well-known players, but not all of them and why would being well known make you a good admin. You can be on the server often and still have flaws, which would allow you to play on the server, but now admin it. Other players may not be on the servers often but would have the qualities which are necessary. So that point is in my view invalid.
The rest I can agree on.SpoilerSome kisses for you! :-* :-* :-*[close]
Well after reading through this thread for the last 20mins, I can't say I am surprised. Yes, the team made some weird decisions and things where getting out of control (Craigs ban, and only Craigs ban). Some of the insulting remarks is horrendous in this thread. Read through the thread again when you aren't high as a kite looking for drama, which I know for a fact some of you are. Look at what "community" you make us out to be. Not one I would want to be apart of and one I am thankful I know in reality it isn't.No that was not the point... i suggest you read it again, the point is that people that really do an effort for this game get cracked down and people that get invited to join, raise eyebrows in the community
Firstly lets get down to the server administration. Of which there is a lot I could say on the issue however I will keep it brief to the topics already mentioned as this isn't the place to bring up more. EU server, how many of you have been wronged by the admin, I repeat, ADMIN, not dev. I couldn't imagine the list is long. I have played on many games and we are quite lucky for the EU server and team we have. I admit we do make some mistakes, however it isn't out of ill-will, we are doing this TO HELP other players, obviously. Hence why if you ask for an admin in the chat we try and address your concern or when you message us on steam, we try and help you out. Sure there are some questionable people in the team and more thinking needs to be done before appointing more admins. There is a big uproar about "well known people getting admin". Tell me, how do you become well know? More than likely being on the server, which is pretty key when selecting an admin, so I do not understand that logic.
On to the US team. Quite frankly I have no idea how any EU member can critise them. Tell me Hekko, how many times have you been on the US server? I bet its not more than I have. You have no idea the difference and the hard job US admins have. So please, don't start busting out wild accusations by saying you heard this or that just as a way to attack FSE.
Now onto the main point. Forum administration. I think the real issue here is, rules are not specific enough and perhaps there just isn't enough coverage. I have seen plenty of pathetic drama on this forum, some of it is funny I must admit, some of it is just boring and lame (51st name). I do not agree, as previously stated with Craigs ban, was a tad heavy handed, which must be avoided so that a forum can be what it should. A place of free discussion, ideas etc. I understand that inorder to grow the community the forums need to be a welcoming place and lets be fair, we as a community somewhat fail on that one. We can not solely blame FSE team for it, however they should take some heat for their role played, of which is being over reacted upon in this thread.
Reading through this thread I saw little but pity arguing with only a few posts worth reading. We need to rethink the struct of the forum and how and what should be punished and how. With a clear and transparent system so that people know whats happening and why.
I hope that this post will be taken in the light it was wrote in and not simply bashed. I also hope you provide something to the discussion so that we can finally put this community to rest. Which btw is far more peaceful than some of the other ones I have and still am in (total war...my goodness lol).
Bai.
All I can say is FSE need to SoRt their shit out unless they wanna loose support
Ni, I think you are correct with most of your points.
Criticizing the US side may not have been the right thing to do, though he also didn't force that topic, but merely said that he had heard some things, so I wouldn't elaborate on the US administrations, since I haven't heard any NA players specifically voice their complaints about the US Administration.
As for the EU Administration I have also never really seen any injustice, since I seldomly frequent the Official Servers, though reading some of the posts here, the appointing of admins does seem quite biased. True, they are mostly well-known players, but not all of them and why would being well known make you a good admin. You can be on the server often and still have flaws, which would allow you to play on the server, but now admin it. Other players may not be on the servers often but would have the qualities which are necessary. So that point is in my view invalid.
The rest I can agree on.SpoilerSome kisses for you! :-* :-* :-*[close]
First of thank you Jackie for putting some points forward :-* I only mentioned the US side as I see due to Hekko's silly accusations a valued member of the US team is lost, which I know Crunch was since I mid-night raid from time to time :P
I mentioned well known why? Simple to show the logic that well known players shouldn't be admin doesn't make sence, if that aren't active on the server then what is the point? I am not saying its the only quality that should be looked for but its should be one, the reason being as I mentioned above. EU admins are decided upon by the invitation of the head admin and Vince sometimes. This system is different than US. Not saying its better, not saying its worse. Some of the aggressive tones have come because Hekko's friend didn't get admin, I will keep my views on that in the place they are meant to be, as we all agreed to the rules that came with being an Official admin, to which I want to follow. How can one enforce the rules if he does not follow them?Could you be more specific with what you are referring to as I don't understand what you are talking about.SpoilerWell after reading through this thread for the last 20mins, I can't say I am surprised. Yes, the team made some weird decisions and things where getting out of control (Craigs ban, and only Craigs ban). Some of the insulting remarks is horrendous in this thread. Read through the thread again when you aren't high as a kite looking for drama, which I know for a fact some of you are. Look at what "community" you make us out to be. Not one I would want to be apart of and one I am thankful I know in reality it isn't.No that was not the point... i suggest you read it again, the point is that people that really do an effort for this game get cracked down and people that get invited to join, raise eyebrows in the community
Firstly lets get down to the server administration. Of which there is a lot I could say on the issue however I will keep it brief to the topics already mentioned as this isn't the place to bring up more. EU server, how many of you have been wronged by the admin, I repeat, ADMIN, not dev. I couldn't imagine the list is long. I have played on many games and we are quite lucky for the EU server and team we have. I admit we do make some mistakes, however it isn't out of ill-will, we are doing this TO HELP other players, obviously. Hence why if you ask for an admin in the chat we try and address your concern or when you message us on steam, we try and help you out. Sure there are some questionable people in the team and more thinking needs to be done before appointing more admins. There is a big uproar about "well known people getting admin". Tell me, how do you become well know? More than likely being on the server, which is pretty key when selecting an admin, so I do not understand that logic.
On to the US team. Quite frankly I have no idea how any EU member can critise them. Tell me Hekko, how many times have you been on the US server? I bet its not more than I have. You have no idea the difference and the hard job US admins have. So please, don't start busting out wild accusations by saying you heard this or that just as a way to attack FSE.
Now onto the main point. Forum administration. I think the real issue here is, rules are not specific enough and perhaps there just isn't enough coverage. I have seen plenty of pathetic drama on this forum, some of it is funny I must admit, some of it is just boring and lame (51st name). I do not agree, as previously stated with Craigs ban, was a tad heavy handed, which must be avoided so that a forum can be what it should. A place of free discussion, ideas etc. I understand that inorder to grow the community the forums need to be a welcoming place and lets be fair, we as a community somewhat fail on that one. We can not solely blame FSE team for it, however they should take some heat for their role played, of which is being over reacted upon in this thread.
Reading through this thread I saw little but pity arguing with only a few posts worth reading. We need to rethink the struct of the forum and how and what should be punished and how. With a clear and transparent system so that people know whats happening and why.
I hope that this post will be taken in the light it was wrote in and not simply bashed. I also hope you provide something to the discussion so that we can finally put this community to rest. Which btw is far more peaceful than some of the other ones I have and still am in (total war...my goodness lol).
Bai.[close]
I hope this is a joke..Oh lawdSpoiler23:13 - ****: The community representative thing is utterly useless
23:13 - Blobmania [Redthorn-Dev]: Shush, people aren't meant to be realising that yet :P
23:13 - ****: so tempted to post this on the thread now
23:14 - ****: ....
23:14 - Blobmania [Redthorn-Dev]: Haha
23:14 - ****: I actually don't give a fuck about this. The community is shit from bottom to top with some exceptions.[close]
Ah, well I might have phrased a bit mysteriously or simply incorrect there. :PNi, I think you are correct with most of your points.
Criticizing the US side may not have been the right thing to do, though he also didn't force that topic, but merely said that he had heard some things, so I wouldn't elaborate on the US administrations, since I haven't heard any NA players specifically voice their complaints about the US Administration.
As for the EU Administration I have also never really seen any injustice, since I seldomly frequent the Official Servers, though reading some of the posts here, the appointing of admins does seem quite biased. True, they are mostly well-known players, but not all of them and why would being well known make you a good admin. You can be on the server often and still have flaws, which would allow you to play on the server, but now admin it. Other players may not be on the servers often but would have the qualities which are necessary. So that point is in my view invalid.
The rest I can agree on.SpoilerSome kisses for you! :-* :-* :-*[close]
First of thank you Jackie for putting some points forward :-* I only mentioned the US side as I see due to Hekko's silly accusations a valued member of the US team is lost, which I know Crunch was since I mid-night raid from time to time :P
I mentioned well known why? Simple to show the logic that well known players shouldn't be admin doesn't make sence, if that aren't active on the server then what is the point? I am not saying its the only quality that should be looked for but its should be one, the reason being as I mentioned above. EU admins are decided upon by the invitation of the head admin and Vince sometimes. This system is different than US. Not saying its better, not saying its worse. Some of the aggressive tones have come because Hekko's friend didn't get admin, I will keep my views on that in the place they are meant to be, as we all agreed to the rules that came with being an Official admin, to which I want to follow. How can one enforce the rules if he does not follow them?
It's called a joke, ya dinguses. :DI hope this is a joke..Oh lawdSpoiler23:13 - ****: The community representative thing is utterly useless
23:13 - Blobmania [Redthorn-Dev]: Shush, people aren't meant to be realising that yet :P
23:13 - ****: so tempted to post this on the thread now
23:14 - ****: ....
23:14 - Blobmania [Redthorn-Dev]: Haha
23:14 - ****: I actually don't give a fuck about this. The community is shit from bottom to top with some exceptions.[close]
We know :PIt's called a joke, ya dinguses. :DI hope this is a joke..Oh lawdSpoiler23:13 - ****: The community representative thing is utterly useless
23:13 - Blobmania [Redthorn-Dev]: Shush, people aren't meant to be realising that yet :P
23:13 - ****: so tempted to post this on the thread now
23:14 - ****: ....
23:14 - Blobmania [Redthorn-Dev]: Haha
23:14 - ****: I actually don't give a fuck about this. The community is shit from bottom to top with some exceptions.[close]
100% Support from me, would love to see some change, especially the North-American side.
C'mon guys, let's give this new system a chance first.
Ni, I think you are correct with most of your points.
Criticizing the US side may not have been the right thing to do, though he also didn't force that topic, but merely said that he had heard some things, so I wouldn't elaborate on the US administrations, since I haven't heard any NA players specifically voice their complaints about the US Administration.
As for the EU Administration I have also never really seen any injustice, since I seldomly frequent the Official Servers, though reading some of the posts here, the appointing of admins does seem quite biased. True, they are mostly well-known players, but not all of them and why would being well known make you a good admin. You can be on the server often and still have flaws, which would allow you to play on the server, but now admin it. Other players may not be on the servers often but would have the qualities which are necessary. So that point is in my view invalid.
The rest I can agree on.SpoilerSome kisses for you! :-* :-* :-*[close]
First of thank you Jackie for putting some points forward :-* I only mentioned the US side as I see due to Hekko's silly accusations a valued member of the US team is lost, which I know Crunch was since I mid-night raid from time to time :P
I mentioned well known why? Simple to show the logic that well known players shouldn't be admin doesn't make sence, if that aren't active on the server then what is the point? I am not saying its the only quality that should be looked for but its should be one, the reason being as I mentioned above. EU admins are decided upon by the invitation of the head admin and Vince sometimes. This system is different than US. Not saying its better, not saying its worse. Some of the aggressive tones have come because Hekko's friend didn't get admin, I will keep my views on that in the place they are meant to be, as we all agreed to the rules that came with being an Official admin, to which I want to follow. How can one enforce the rules if he does not follow them?Could you be more specific with what you are referring to as I don't understand what you are talking about.SpoilerWell after reading through this thread for the last 20mins, I can't say I am surprised. Yes, the team made some weird decisions and things where getting out of control (Craigs ban, and only Craigs ban). Some of the insulting remarks is horrendous in this thread. Read through the thread again when you aren't high as a kite looking for drama, which I know for a fact some of you are. Look at what "community" you make us out to be. Not one I would want to be apart of and one I am thankful I know in reality it isn't.No that was not the point... i suggest you read it again, the point is that people that really do an effort for this game get cracked down and people that get invited to join, raise eyebrows in the community
Firstly lets get down to the server administration. Of which there is a lot I could say on the issue however I will keep it brief to the topics already mentioned as this isn't the place to bring up more. EU server, how many of you have been wronged by the admin, I repeat, ADMIN, not dev. I couldn't imagine the list is long. I have played on many games and we are quite lucky for the EU server and team we have. I admit we do make some mistakes, however it isn't out of ill-will, we are doing this TO HELP other players, obviously. Hence why if you ask for an admin in the chat we try and address your concern or when you message us on steam, we try and help you out. Sure there are some questionable people in the team and more thinking needs to be done before appointing more admins. There is a big uproar about "well known people getting admin". Tell me, how do you become well know? More than likely being on the server, which is pretty key when selecting an admin, so I do not understand that logic.
On to the US team. Quite frankly I have no idea how any EU member can critise them. Tell me Hekko, how many times have you been on the US server? I bet its not more than I have. You have no idea the difference and the hard job US admins have. So please, don't start busting out wild accusations by saying you heard this or that just as a way to attack FSE.
Now onto the main point. Forum administration. I think the real issue here is, rules are not specific enough and perhaps there just isn't enough coverage. I have seen plenty of pathetic drama on this forum, some of it is funny I must admit, some of it is just boring and lame (51st name). I do not agree, as previously stated with Craigs ban, was a tad heavy handed, which must be avoided so that a forum can be what it should. A place of free discussion, ideas etc. I understand that inorder to grow the community the forums need to be a welcoming place and lets be fair, we as a community somewhat fail on that one. We can not solely blame FSE team for it, however they should take some heat for their role played, of which is being over reacted upon in this thread.
Reading through this thread I saw little but pity arguing with only a few posts worth reading. We need to rethink the struct of the forum and how and what should be punished and how. With a clear and transparent system so that people know whats happening and why.
I hope that this post will be taken in the light it was wrote in and not simply bashed. I also hope you provide something to the discussion so that we can finally put this community to rest. Which btw is far more peaceful than some of the other ones I have and still am in (total war...my goodness lol).
Bai.[close]
Well, no. This was never a lynch mob. If people want to get up and /quit instead of constructive discussion then in my eyes that shows something. No-one is saying "OMG U GOTZ 2 QUIT". I didn't even want Kitty removed, i don't know her, i dont have an opinion on her at all. What i question is the general management and hypocritical decisions. If that causes people to act prematurely so be it. Littleguy stood up preparted to take the flak on himself, and i commend that.
Ah, well I might have phrased a bit mysteriously or simply incorrect there. :PNi, I think you are correct with most of your points.
Criticizing the US side may not have been the right thing to do, though he also didn't force that topic, but merely said that he had heard some things, so I wouldn't elaborate on the US administrations, since I haven't heard any NA players specifically voice their complaints about the US Administration.
As for the EU Administration I have also never really seen any injustice, since I seldomly frequent the Official Servers, though reading some of the posts here, the appointing of admins does seem quite biased. True, they are mostly well-known players, but not all of them and why would being well known make you a good admin. You can be on the server often and still have flaws, which would allow you to play on the server, but now admin it. Other players may not be on the servers often but would have the qualities which are necessary. So that point is in my view invalid.
The rest I can agree on.SpoilerSome kisses for you! :-* :-* :-*[close]
First of thank you Jackie for putting some points forward :-* I only mentioned the US side as I see due to Hekko's silly accusations a valued member of the US team is lost, which I know Crunch was since I mid-night raid from time to time :P
I mentioned well known why? Simple to show the logic that well known players shouldn't be admin doesn't make sence, if that aren't active on the server then what is the point? I am not saying its the only quality that should be looked for but its should be one, the reason being as I mentioned above. EU admins are decided upon by the invitation of the head admin and Vince sometimes. This system is different than US. Not saying its better, not saying its worse. Some of the aggressive tones have come because Hekko's friend didn't get admin, I will keep my views on that in the place they are meant to be, as we all agreed to the rules that came with being an Official admin, to which I want to follow. How can one enforce the rules if he does not follow them?
Well-known doesn't necessarily need you being active on that server. You can be active on it, but not be known at all, simply because you do not communicate much or aren't brilliant at melee. You are quite right that the admins should be active on the server and I was wrong saying that they don't have to be, since if they are not, how can they be up to date. Still that shouldn't be the soul criteria in my opinion.
As for Hekko breaking the admin rules, I already said, that I doubt he'd have achieved much by sticking to the admin circles instead of the normal community. Again I might be mistaken here, since I know close to nothing about the EU admins.
Point is, Hekko achieved something, which lots of people wanted. He might have broken the rules, but he also said he was aware of the consequences his post might have. I respect his move and I would also forgive his breaking of the rules, simply because I know him to be a respectable person and not a notorious rulebreaker.
There is in fact. If you don't see it in clarity yet, you will at some point.C'mon guys, let's give this new system a chance first.
There is no new system
I have not that much experience with the US administrative policy, some of the recent choices make me wonder though how the American side chooses admins, and from what I have heard from other admins that play on US1 at times as well, is that some of the new US1 admins are tripping balls with their new adminpowers, waiting for opportunities to flex their strength for the least offence.
There is in fact. If you don't see it in clarity yet, you will at some point.C'mon guys, let's give this new system a chance first.
There is no new system
The FSE team is laughing at your naivetyThink what you will, but there are noticeable changes that you will see in the coming days. I only hope you will discontinue the disrespectful attitude you have now; I don't want to see anyone else get warned/moderated/muted/banned for an escalated temper.
This went from trying to persuade new ways to the FSE staff to trying to personally and emotionally harm the FSE staff.+1
I will say that this community is way more messed up then the staff.
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This went from trying to persuade new ways to the FSE staff to trying to personally and emotionally harm the FSE staff.
I will say that this community is way more messed up then the staff.
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ink what you will, but there are noticeable changes that you will see in the coming days. I only hope you will discontinue the disrespectful attitude you have now; I don't want to see anyone else get warned/moderated/muted/banned for an escalated temper.The number one change I would like to see is a bit more respect for people who got their mod and the possibility of their own game coming out to where it is today. And no, again, not me. Just in general.
Quote from: Xeroth on Today at 12:09:12 am
This went from trying to persuade new ways to the FSE staff to trying to personally and emotionally harm the FSE staff.
I will say that this community is way more messed up then the staff.
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Lol. Go suck up to the admins more please. This community is fucked up due to the way it's run, it's not that hard to comprehend.This went from trying to persuade new ways to the FSE staff to trying to personally and emotionally harm the FSE staff.+1
I will say that this community is way more messed up then the staff.
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The FSE team is laughing at your naivetyThink what you will, but there are noticeable changes that you will see in the coming days. I only hope you will discontinue the disrespectful attitude you have now; I don't want to see anyone else get warned/moderated/muted/banned for an escalated temper.
I don't know crunch. And Hekko barely said anything about the US admins. But yes, they should have a thicker skin. -My- experience of US admining has been bad, so i can sympathise with the oposition on this one, that not to say all US admins are cunts, merely that it's not been to a high standard, and is more people playing the game and banning people when they want, than doing a good job of keeping the server integrity and good moderation. I see racism and slurs which admins ignore 2/3 times i am on that server, to the point that i just take it as part of the attitude over there(although again, this isn't directed at any of the candidates in question).
There was no conspiracy to slander people's individual reputation, but to bring to bare many things that people have noticed. I will go out on a limb and say that Hekko has done more for NW since launch than anyone, including the Devs. The Devs coded sure, but every improvement has been due to Hekko'#s relenntless atiitude, every INTERESTING piece of gameplay has been due to Hekko's organisation. He should be on the bloody payroll, if it wasn't for him many more players would have left.(This isn't a serious demand, just an illustartion of his importance)
I don't think i said a bad word about FSE till NW came out. In fact i was a staunch supporter of the "Pay for the DLC, the Devs of this mod deserve it". It was pointed out in another thread that people may be letting past grievances interupt other issues. But the fact that these past grievances have either not been resolved or not resolved in a satisfactory or competant manner is a big deal to me.
How are we sucking up if I am an ex admin?You don't have to be an admin or an ex-admin to suck up...
Viva la revolution!
Just stop. Makes no sense, helps no one, not even those who began making and wearing those sigs and such.Viva la revolution!
Just stop. Makes no sense, helps no one, not even those who began making and wearing those sigs and such.Viva la revolution!
My only regret is that I wasn't mentioned in the OP. Either I'm not important enough, or I'm just rather boring.
Good Luck to the candidates. I'll be using my vote.
French Kitten.Spoiler(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fodin.mobile9.com%2Fdownload%2Fmedia%2F41%2Ffrenchkitt_xeaebzv6.gif&hash=5f419eca28783e3cbc18981eb30c736e03c8b69d)[close]
Was bored... Sorry :/Just stop. Makes no sense, helps no one, not even those who began making and wearing those sigs and such.Viva la revolution!
My only regret is that I wasn't mentioned in the OP. Either I'm not important enough, or I'm just rather boring.
Good Luck to the candidates. I'll be using my vote.
French Kitten.Spoiler(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F24.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_m3k6p3zevw1qlo1p8o1_500.gif&hash=f8f781a99eb195db30791d9dc715208b57e37705)[close]
Was bored... Sorry :/Ah. Boredom. One of the world's most intriguing, and at times, destructive, enigma in the world.
That's a...cute kitty...My only regret is that I wasn't mentioned in the OP. Either I'm not important enough, or I'm just rather boring.
Good Luck to the candidates. I'll be using my vote.
French Kitten.Spoiler(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F24.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_m3k6p3zevw1qlo1p8o1_500.gif&hash=f8f781a99eb195db30791d9dc715208b57e37705)[close]
Is my kitten cuteSpoiler(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flegacy-cdn.smosh.com%2Fsmosh-pit%2F122010%2Fugly-cat-2.jpg&hash=fe34f8ab4d20eae22066d553ea5c8e9bb0024912)[close]
creates problems where there need not be problems./Thread
I have.My only regret is that I wasn't mentioned in the OP. Either I'm not important enough, or I'm just rather boring.
Good Luck to the candidates. I'll be using my vote.
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I hadn't really seen you misusing your administrative powers ever, I mean, slap a ban on someone random in the thread and I'll be more than happy to edit you into the OP.
My only regret is that I wasn't mentioned in the OP. Either I'm not important enough, or I'm just rather boring.
Good Luck to the candidates. I'll be using my vote.
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I hadn't really seen you misusing your administrative powers ever, I mean, slap a ban on someone random in the thread and I'll be more than happy to edit you into the OP.
100% Support from me, would love to see some change, especially the North-American side.
What do you mean?
100% Support from me, would love to see some change, especially the North-American side.
What do you mean?
Well from what I've seen I have noticed that the NA admining on US-1 is not/has not been up-to-par as EU-1 has for the pass few months or so. Now, perhaps I am a little biased upon wanting change on more of the NA side (I'm an NA player, but used to and prefer EU servers), but overall I never liked the "atmosphere" of US-1 compared to EU-1, both amongst the admins and regular players as well. That probably cannot be changed with the average players but I expect just a little better from the administration. And I could bring up some examples of past faultly admining but I'd rather not atm....
I would say this has reached the end of it's revolution and should be locked.+1 we've all said our parts, now let's move on.
Un-needed drama this community really doesn't need.
I would say this has reached the end of it's revolution and should be locked.
Un-needed drama this community really doesn't need.
So after reading all this....what you're saying is....people should be not be allowed to fire while charging.
PS: I painted this just for this thread. I hope you enjoy! I've titled it "Heartless".(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.surviveforever.com%2Fimg%2FABOOSE.png&hash=815919ad7e405697c14be8362938522be8bf8975)
So after reading all this....what you're saying is....people should be not be allowed to fire while charging.That picture is so deep, the Prussians represent the community.
PS: I painted this just for this thread. I hope you enjoy! I've titled it "Heartless".(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.surviveforever.com%2Fimg%2FABOOSE.png&hash=815919ad7e405697c14be8362938522be8bf8975)
Alright, I know this is mostly a EU thing, but I feel this needs to be posted, because all of you are really starting to annoy me. I will also like to say that I am posting this as me and not an official admin.
Okay, before I discuss about anything else I would like to get the thing that bothers me most out of the way.QuoteI have not that much experience with the US administrative policy, some of the recent choices make me wonder though how the American side chooses admins, and from what I have heard from other admins that play on US1 at times as well, is that some of the new US1 admins are tripping balls with their new adminpowers, waiting for opportunities to flex their strength for the least offence.
Who the fuck are you to talk about the US administration when not a single admin I have spoke to has ever seen you on US1 before. As far as I am concerned, you have absolutely no place to talk about the US admin team. I feel sorry for the EU admin team that you are even acting this way while being an admin. In case you have forgotten, which you clearly have not since you talk so much about the professionalism administration is so important, you are acting completely out of line in accordance to admin regulations. I hope that someone sane enough sees that you are in no shape to hold the responsibility of admin, if you cannot even keep yourself professional in public. The same thing could be said about the EU admin team, but at least we have the respect to not talk about it in public, and rather keep it through PMs like we are supposed to do. The way you have presented yourself in this thread immediately shows me that you have no concern for the community and rather you wish to bash everyone you can possibly think of something to bash them about, for your own personal "Internet glory". This is absolutely unacceptable.
Now to address everyone rather than just the OP.
Have you all lost your minds?! We are playing a GAME this is not a bloody government! I don't care how many people know you in a online game that has no point at all in the world except to give others enjoyment. We are not building some kind of internet social hierarchy. Nobody is better than someone else. None of you have any right to tell FSE what to do with the community, and FSE has no right to tell the community to do. All you guys are doing is arguing over the most pointless in meaningless things in this life. This game is not real life. I can honestly and shamelessly say that Napoleonic Wars and Warband have been a enormous part of my life. Especially this past year. I spend hours a day playing and admining US1, so everyone can enjoy the game like it should be. I probably play more than just about 95% of the players. I spend countless hours of my free-time on this game and NEVER have I feet any amount of importance to anything. You should not either. I think we could all agree that Diplex is the most known NW player. That does not make him some kind of spokesperson or official. It does not make him any more important than you or I. So those of you acting as though you are some kind of icon and that if you say something FSE should listen and respond, you are completely out of your mind. You all are starting to disgust and annoy me with your constant rants and crying like children about how FSE is not doing things right with the community. FSE did not make the freaking community, you guys did. FSE made the game. You...Us. we made this community, and anything we feel is wrong, is our fault. Leave FSE alone about the community. Yes, they may have had some out there business practices with the community, but I think they have since learned. If you feel so strongly about FSE, going on THEIR forums and basically calling them useless is not going to solve anything. FSE is ABSOLUTELY taking the right path by telling you guys to pm all concerns to them. They DO deal with them. Just because something is not done the way you want it does not mean you have a right to decry the developers of this wonderful game, who were kind enough to give you a game for a cheap price that has stayed with you for such a long time. You cannot deny that you like this game, if you are so concerned about the community around it.
So in conclusion of what I have asked of you guys, please, for the sake of all of us, stop making fools of yourselves and just enjoy the damn game, and if you feel you can no longer find enjoyment in it, stop playing it. Nobody is making you play this game, and you all need to grow up and realize that.
If one of the developers or lead admins finds what I posted is wrong, I will gladly step down, because at least I might actually be able to enjoy the game without people acting as if I am some sort of idol. I just want to play and enjoy the game, I don't want people to watch and critique my every move.
3. Cruch has (if you had actually read the responses on this thread) stated multiple times that he has resigned from adminship.
3. Cruch has (if you had actually read the responses on this thread) stated multiple times that he has resigned from adminship.
Excellent !
I've honestly never had a problem with an admin on the official servers and I'm all for strictness where it is called for. I generally hop on the public servers to relax after my classes, before starting on homework and such, and I'd rather not have to deal with children and/or immature "adults" antagonizing the admins and calling each other derogatory things like fa***t and n****r while I'm doing that. I'd hardly call it heavy handed. Behave on the public servers and you'll be fine. While admittedly I haven't been around as long as some, I've been playing on the official servers for about a year and a half and have yet to be warned by an admin, let alone banned.
My class starts in 5 minutes, so I only have time to respond to this.And those decisions had nothing to do with the US administration team, so kindly leave us out of that accusation.
The outrage agaisnt the admins in this thread has not been instigated by them banning "Children", as you described them, on the official servers, something, I dare say, a majority of people in here would stand by if it were to happen. No, It is because there has been people that has gotten extreme and unjust punishments for speaking out agaisnt the FSE Team.
Well, after reading some people's responses, I have a few things to say.
First thing: Xeroth, you're a derpstein.
Second thing:My class starts in 5 minutes, so I only have time to respond to this.And those decisions had nothing to do with the US administration team, so kindly leave us out of that accusation.
The outrage agaisnt the admins in this thread has not been instigated by them banning "Children", as you described them, on the official servers, something, I dare say, a majority of people in here would stand by if it were to happen. No, It is because there has been people that has gotten extreme and unjust punishments for speaking out agaisnt the FSE Team.
Third thing:
On the topic of Hekko and the overall outcome of events today.SpoilerI don't care if someone has a different opinion than me. However I do care if that person is breaking forum policy and/or creating unnecessary disturbance in the community in order to voice that opinion, which is what Hekko did. He felt that making that thread and and in circumstance letting a literal riot start up was the only way the forum admins would listen to the community.
Whether it was his prime intention or not, Hekko did instigate a large disturbance on these forums, which entailed overly aggressive and argumentative posts, disrespectful attitudes and messages, and went as for to extend to hostile PMs and Steam messages, all of which go against the forum rules.
The most infuriating thing about the aftermath of Hekko's actions is that they could have been completely avoided. The forum admins were literally in the process of working out reformations to the forum and server policies when Hekko posted his thread. The changes would have been made clear to the community over the next week, and everything would have worked out nicely, or at least nicer than the outcome of Hekko's decision.
So in essence, the same outcome will be in place, but with a host of unnecessary drama and hostility between members and members and admins. A heart breaking rift has formed in this once happy community, forcing many to take sides. I have truly never seen anything like it, and it was all put to effect by yours truly.
And don't get me wrong; I've been wanting to see some changes in the way the forum admins and server admins work and behave in their duties for some time, probably really starting with the 51st event which is I guess where most people started their thinking. I am in the same critical mindset as Hekko. But nothing shocked me more than this thread. Before that, I thought the process was moving along at a relatively calm pace. Policies would be changed, the community would see them, perhaps negotiate a few things, and then after maybe a week or two the community would go on it's normal business, albeit with the new policies. Hekko knocked the whole thing off balance. The whole process was assimilated and toppled to the ground, and for what? So the forum admins could pry the information they already know out of the frothing sea of over-zealous "revolutionaries," disgustingly disrespectful messages, and a community in a virtual civil war?
No. I believe Hekko's general thoughts were on track. But there can be no argument against the fact that he almost tore this community to pieces. I have worked to make it a friendly place of friendly people, for people of the same interest, which is why we're all here in the first place. This community is something I have been a part of for almost 2 years, and seeing it in its current state is like a stab to my heart.[close]
Well, after reading some people's responses, I have a few things to say.
First thing: Xeroth, you're a derpstein.
Second thing:My class starts in 5 minutes, so I only have time to respond to this.And those decisions had nothing to do with the US administration team, so kindly leave us out of that accusation.
The outrage agaisnt the admins in this thread has not been instigated by them banning "Children", as you described them, on the official servers, something, I dare say, a majority of people in here would stand by if it were to happen. No, It is because there has been people that has gotten extreme and unjust punishments for speaking out agaisnt the FSE Team.
Third thing:
On the topic of Hekko and the overall outcome of events today.SpoilerI don't care if someone has a different opinion than me. However I do care if that person is breaking forum policy and/or creating unnecessary disturbance in the community in order to voice that opinion, which is what Hekko did. He felt that making that thread and and in circumstance letting a literal riot start up was the only way the forum admins would listen to the community.
Whether it was his prime intention or not, Hekko did instigate a large disturbance on these forums, which entailed overly aggressive and argumentative posts, disrespectful attitudes and messages, and went as for to extend to hostile PMs and Steam messages, all of which go against the forum rules.
The most infuriating thing about the aftermath of Hekko's actions is that they could have been completely avoided. The forum admins were literally in the process of working out reformations to the forum and server policies when Hekko posted his thread. The changes would have been made clear to the community over the next week, and everything would have worked out nicely, or at least nicer than the outcome of Hekko's decision.
So in essence, the same outcome will be in place, but with a host of unnecessary drama and hostility between members and members and admins. A heart breaking rift has formed in this once happy community, forcing many to take sides. I have truly never seen anything like it, and it was all put to effect by yours truly.
And don't get me wrong; I've been wanting to see some changes in the way the forum admins and server admins work and behave in their duties for some time, probably really starting with the 51st event which is I guess where most people started their thinking. I am in the same critical mindset as Hekko. But nothing shocked me more than this thread. Before that, I thought the process was moving along at a relatively calm pace. Policies would be changed, the community would see them, perhaps negotiate a few things, and then after maybe a week or two the community would go on it's normal business, albeit with the new policies. Hekko knocked the whole thing off balance. The whole process was assimilated and toppled to the ground, and for what? So the forum admins could pry the information they already know out of the frothing sea of over-zealous "revolutionaries," disgustingly disrespectful messages, and a community in a virtual civil war?
No. I believe Hekko's general thoughts were on track. But there can be no argument against the fact that he almost tore this community to pieces. I have worked to make it a friendly place of friendly people, for people of the same interest, which is why we're all here in the first place. This community is something I have been a part of for almost 2 years, and seeing it in its current state is like a stab to my heart.[close]
Well, after reading some people's responses, I have a few things to say.
;)
First thing: Xeroth, you're a derpstein.
Second thing:My class starts in 5 minutes, so I only have time to respond to this.And those decisions had nothing to do with the US administration team, so kindly leave us out of that accusation.
The outrage agaisnt the admins in this thread has not been instigated by them banning "Children", as you described them, on the official servers, something, I dare say, a majority of people in here would stand by if it were to happen. No, It is because there has been people that has gotten extreme and unjust punishments for speaking out agaisnt the FSE Team.
Third thing:
On the topic of Hekko and the overall outcome of events today.SpoilerI don't care if someone has a different opinion than me. However I do care if that person is breaking forum policy and/or creating unnecessary disturbance in the community in order to voice that opinion, which is what Hekko did. He felt that making that thread and and in circumstance letting a literal riot start up was the only way the forum admins would listen to the community.
Whether it was his prime intention or not, Hekko did instigate a large disturbance on these forums, which entailed overly aggressive and argumentative posts, disrespectful attitudes and messages, and went as for to extend to hostile PMs and Steam messages, all of which go against the forum rules.
The most infuriating thing about the aftermath of Hekko's actions is that they could have been completely avoided. The forum admins were literally in the process of working out reformations to the forum and server policies when Hekko posted his thread. The changes would have been made clear to the community over the next week, and everything would have worked out nicely, or at least nicer than the outcome of Hekko's decision.
So in essence, the same outcome will be in place, but with a host of unnecessary drama and hostility between members and members and admins. A heart breaking rift has formed in this once happy community, forcing many to take sides. I have truly never seen anything like it, and it was all put to effect by yours truly.
And don't get me wrong; I've been wanting to see some changes in the way the forum admins and server admins work and behave in their duties for some time, probably really starting with the 51st event which is I guess where most people started their thinking. I am in the same critical mindset as Hekko. But nothing shocked me more than this thread. Before that, I thought the process was moving along at a relatively calm pace. Policies would be changed, the community would see them, perhaps negotiate a few things, and then after maybe a week or two the community would go on it's normal business, albeit with the new policies. Hekko knocked the whole thing off balance. The whole process was assimilated and toppled to the ground, and for what? So the forum admins could pry the information they already know out of the frothing sea of over-zealous "revolutionaries," disgustingly disrespectful messages, and a community in a virtual civil war?
No. I believe Hekko's general thoughts were on track. But there can be no argument against the fact that he almost tore this community to pieces. I have worked to make it a friendly place of friendly people, for people of the same interest, which is why we're all here in the first place. This community is something I have been a part of for almost 2 years, and seeing it in its current state is like a stab to my heart.[close]
You're funny. I think the complaints were against the US admins whacking out the purple chat far too easily. US admins tend to see adminship as an extension of their penis. Flexing of un-needed muscle.
SpoilerWell, after reading some people's responses, I have a few things to say.
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First thing: Xeroth, you're a derpstein.
Second thing:My class starts in 5 minutes, so I only have time to respond to this.And those decisions had nothing to do with the US administration team, so kindly leave us out of that accusation.
The outrage agaisnt the admins in this thread has not been instigated by them banning "Children", as you described them, on the official servers, something, I dare say, a majority of people in here would stand by if it were to happen. No, It is because there has been people that has gotten extreme and unjust punishments for speaking out agaisnt the FSE Team.
Third thing:
On the topic of Hekko and the overall outcome of events today.SpoilerI don't care if someone has a different opinion than me. However I do care if that person is breaking forum policy and/or creating unnecessary disturbance in the community in order to voice that opinion, which is what Hekko did. He felt that making that thread and and in circumstance letting a literal riot start up was the only way the forum admins would listen to the community.
Whether it was his prime intention or not, Hekko did instigate a large disturbance on these forums, which entailed overly aggressive and argumentative posts, disrespectful attitudes and messages, and went as for to extend to hostile PMs and Steam messages, all of which go against the forum rules.
The most infuriating thing about the aftermath of Hekko's actions is that they could have been completely avoided. The forum admins were literally in the process of working out reformations to the forum and server policies when Hekko posted his thread. The changes would have been made clear to the community over the next week, and everything would have worked out nicely, or at least nicer than the outcome of Hekko's decision.
So in essence, the same outcome will be in place, but with a host of unnecessary drama and hostility between members and members and admins. A heart breaking rift has formed in this once happy community, forcing many to take sides. I have truly never seen anything like it, and it was all put to effect by yours truly.
And don't get me wrong; I've been wanting to see some changes in the way the forum admins and server admins work and behave in their duties for some time, probably really starting with the 51st event which is I guess where most people started their thinking. I am in the same critical mindset as Hekko. But nothing shocked me more than this thread. Before that, I thought the process was moving along at a relatively calm pace. Policies would be changed, the community would see them, perhaps negotiate a few things, and then after maybe a week or two the community would go on it's normal business, albeit with the new policies. Hekko knocked the whole thing off balance. The whole process was assimilated and toppled to the ground, and for what? So the forum admins could pry the information they already know out of the frothing sea of over-zealous "revolutionaries," disgustingly disrespectful messages, and a community in a virtual civil war?
No. I believe Hekko's general thoughts were on track. But there can be no argument against the fact that he almost tore this community to pieces. I have worked to make it a friendly place of friendly people, for people of the same interest, which is why we're all here in the first place. This community is something I have been a part of for almost 2 years, and seeing it in its current state is like a stab to my heart.[close]
You're funny. I think the complaints were against the US admins whacking out the purple chat far too easily. US admins tend to see adminship as an extension of their penis. Flexing of un-needed muscle.[close]
And accusing north American admins, yet I have never even seen you on. Offices NA server, makes you better? I have never seen a North American official server admin abuse, and I have been playing for quite a while. Proof please?
If we, the NW community, are going to have any structure and relation left, this EU vs NA stuff needs to stop. We are one community. We come from across the world, from many backgrounds, but we all share the same interest: the Napoleonic Wars. That is why we're here. We are not here to bandy words and argue about who's better, because no one is better than anyone else. Sure, there may be those who are annoying, trollish, etc. etc. but if we become elitist and feel superior towards them, we make ourselves no better than they are. Play the game; enjoy each other's company; it really is an amazing thing that we can come together from such a distance, and that is what we should treasure and keep in our minds.
NA and EU players don't really mix, and I am sure some regiments even ban NA players from joining at all or at least discourage it greatly. You're quote won't help you here, as it's idealistic and to be frank; wrong. Just like Crunch's resignation was also; wrong.If we, the NW community, are going to have any structure and relation left, this EU vs NA stuff needs to stop. We are one community. We come from across the world, from many backgrounds, but we all share the same interest: the Napoleonic Wars. That is why we're here. We are not here to bandy words and argue about who's better, because no one is better than anyone else. Sure, there may be those who are annoying, trollish, etc. etc. but if we become elitist and feel superior towards them, we make ourselves no better than they are. Play the game; enjoy each other's company; it really is an amazing thing that we can come together from such a distance, and that is what we should treasure and keep in our minds.
Lol, robin_hood, you're funny. I can't say I disagree with your arguments, but something about how you just materialized out of the blue a week ago and how literally every single one of your posts have been insulting in one way or another amuses me. Keep going though, we need more people who aren't afraid to represent the more radical stance on the issue, which is that the community in rotten to the core. I can't say I predict you'll be allowed to continue this way much longer though - people don't take kindly to harsh criticism.
NA and EU players don't really mix, and I am sure some regiments even ban NA players from joining at all or at least discourage it greatly. You're quote won't help you here, as it's idealistic and to be frank; wrong. Just like Crunch's resignation was also; wrong.If we, the NW community, are going to have any structure and relation left, this EU vs NA stuff needs to stop. We are one community. We come from across the world, from many backgrounds, but we all share the same interest: the Napoleonic Wars. That is why we're here. We are not here to bandy words and argue about who's better, because no one is better than anyone else. Sure, there may be those who are annoying, trollish, etc. etc. but if we become elitist and feel superior towards them, we make ourselves no better than they are. Play the game; enjoy each other's company; it really is an amazing thing that we can come together from such a distance, and that is what we should treasure and keep in our minds.
But do not think that I don't agree with the concept of it, I just find it about as practical as a chocolate fireplace.
i feel that Hekko had every right to make his arguement public. if it was sent by PM to any of the FSE staff it would be taken lightly and forgotten in a couple of days. isnt this what the arguement is all about? the community having a voice when it comes to decision making instead of being left in the dark. now i agree that it is wrong how most admins earned there admin place because they simply were in the same regiment or friends with a admin but this should not instantly make them a bad admin. think of a real life situation where you got a job because your family was part of a business? would you be complaining. i dont have any grudges against any admins and i think they do a pretty good job most of the time but something needs to be changed. i dont think community representitives is a step in the right direction because they will most likely be chosen the same way as the admins and we wont be getting anywhere.
Lets keep it like this they got there money and now leave there community alone i miss MM and if there wile be a Server again of MM i will play on that we only have more Admin's more people leave the game because you wanted to change the melee, i bet the devs of NW don't even care anymore about the players and now you want to make your own game but we have to pay that !, i mean i don't ask if people wana pay my Game PC i think you guys should show some more respect to us
I am finally fed up with the idiotic way this community is ran by. The way justice and bans are handled, the way threads and criticism is met, how people are promoted within the community and the hypocrisy of the top level leadership.
Lets first discuss the current events. The choice to retire the 51st name, it was a ridiculous proposal and was both unpragmatic and unfair.
The 51st are getting a special privilege for the sake of their contribution to the game. Lets get one thing straight, the reason the 51st has contributed to the dlc is because of the closed-shop nepotistic ways of the developers got help for it. I am sure that the mapping done by 51st members could just as well have been done by people from the 84e or the 1er etc, as long as they would have been granted the Chance to do so. What few people know is that the 51st during the beta actively impeded allot of testing by being hellbent on playing commanderbattle whenever more than 4 people were on. I came to the beta fairly late, yet still the game had a gamebreaking flaw of a fixed height up-stab, which meant that you could duck under the up-stab by holding in a downstab. However, since I didn't belong to the cool kids I was ignored at first when pointing out that this was a serious problem. Infact I was probably the most active poster about gameplay in the beta, and alto of the stuff I posted about has gotten implemented since, just that it took several months after the release for it to be done. Once again because I didn't belong to the cool kids.
Its difficult to find ways to repay community contributions. FSE has chosen to honor the 51st in its own way. Your argument is that the 51st a) do not merit such an honor b) your initial beta test point changes where ignored because you where not part of the cool kids and that advancement in FSE is based on favoritism/nepotism. Personally I am in no position to argue that the 51st deserved or did not deserve any honors but I don't believe you where ignored, rather that fixes don't always come overnight especially when your working to deadlines while attempting to prioritize key issues and not being able to fix a particular critical item in a short time frame. The issue you mentioned was eventually fixed in patches, while later-than-one would have wished, it was none-the-less fixed and not game-braking to begin with. As far as favoritism vs merit goes; I think your argument is valid in a professional context and I think that FSE is still very-much in the transition from a bunch of highly-skilled fun loving guys to a professional company that will hopefully one day employ more than just a few devs.I more or less agree on pretty much all your points, except this one. The 51st has not really contributed to NW. They contributed to MM, but I did not see them host any real events in NW nor regularly frequent the in-game servers. They chose to switch to another game and I guess it is because they did not enjoy NW as much as the other game. So why honour people for their contribution to a game they do not even play in any more.
Its difficult to find ways to repay community contributions. FSE has chosen to honor the 51st in its own way. Your argument is that the 51st a) do not merit such an honor b) your initial beta test point changes where ignored because you where not part of the cool kids and that advancement in FSE is based on favoritism/nepotism. Personally I am in no position to argue that the 51st deserved or did not deserve any honors but I don't believe you where ignored, rather that fixes don't always come overnight especially when your working to deadlines while attempting to prioritize key issues and not being able to fix a particular critical item in a short time frame. The issue you mentioned was eventually fixed in patches, while later-than-one would have wished, it was none-the-less fixed and not game-braking to begin with. As far as favoritism vs merit goes; I think your argument is valid in a professional context and I think that FSE is still very-much in the transition from a bunch of highly-skilled fun loving guys to a professional company that will hopefully one day employ more than just a few devs.I more or less agree on pretty much all your points, except this one. The 51st has not really contributed to NW. They contributed to MM, but I did not see them host any real events in NW nor regularly frequent the in-game servers. They chose to switch to another game and I guess it is because they did not enjoy NW as much as the other game. So why honour people for their contribution to a game they do not even play in any more.
I do not have a problem with them being beta-testers, since in my opinion the more the merrier. If more people test it, then the game will be created to the liking of more people. Yet, saying they were chosen as beta-testers for their contribution is kind of slighting for the actually active peopl, who love this game and play it a lot and are thankful for it.
They can be beta-testers for all I care, but not because of the reason that they contributed and no, this is not the 91st member speaking, because I fully agree on your point concerning retarded regimental fewds. I am merely trying to show that credit should be given where it is deserved.
Indeed, but at least they hosted events or joined them and participated in linebattles etc.. This is what I meant with contributing. I didn't mean that the contribution was huge and I am not saying that it was not huge, merely that they did contribute.Its difficult to find ways to repay community contributions. FSE has chosen to honor the 51st in its own way. Your argument is that the 51st a) do not merit such an honor b) your initial beta test point changes where ignored because you where not part of the cool kids and that advancement in FSE is based on favoritism/nepotism. Personally I am in no position to argue that the 51st deserved or did not deserve any honors but I don't believe you where ignored, rather that fixes don't always come overnight especially when your working to deadlines while attempting to prioritize key issues and not being able to fix a particular critical item in a short time frame. The issue you mentioned was eventually fixed in patches, while later-than-one would have wished, it was none-the-less fixed and not game-braking to begin with. As far as favoritism vs merit goes; I think your argument is valid in a professional context and I think that FSE is still very-much in the transition from a bunch of highly-skilled fun loving guys to a professional company that will hopefully one day employ more than just a few devs.I more or less agree on pretty much all your points, except this one. The 51st has not really contributed to NW. They contributed to MM, but I did not see them host any real events in NW nor regularly frequent the in-game servers. They chose to switch to another game and I guess it is because they did not enjoy NW as much as the other game. So why honour people for their contribution to a game they do not even play in any more.
I do not have a problem with them being beta-testers, since in my opinion the more the merrier. If more people test it, then the game will be created to the liking of more people. Yet, saying they were chosen as beta-testers for their contribution is kind of slighting for the actually active peopl, who love this game and play it a lot and are thankful for it.
They can be beta-testers for all I care, but not because of the reason that they contributed and no, this is not the 91st member speaking, because I fully agree on your point concerning retarded regimental fewds. I am merely trying to show that credit should be given where it is deserved.
Hi Jackie, you are so right here.
But allow me to go further and say they did not contribute to MM either. Their activity was in the first year of MM and after that, well, they no longer existed except for a few mentionings of Fortune, Deathstar and MrTikki.
The previous is what really grinded my gears about the whole situation.
Indeed, but at least they hosted events or joined them and participated in linebattles etc.. This is what I meant with contributing. I didn't mean that the contribution was huge and I am not saying that it was not huge, merely that they did contribute.Its difficult to find ways to repay community contributions. FSE has chosen to honor the 51st in its own way. Your argument is that the 51st a) do not merit such an honor b) your initial beta test point changes where ignored because you where not part of the cool kids and that advancement in FSE is based on favoritism/nepotism. Personally I am in no position to argue that the 51st deserved or did not deserve any honors but I don't believe you where ignored, rather that fixes don't always come overnight especially when your working to deadlines while attempting to prioritize key issues and not being able to fix a particular critical item in a short time frame. The issue you mentioned was eventually fixed in patches, while later-than-one would have wished, it was none-the-less fixed and not game-braking to begin with. As far as favoritism vs merit goes; I think your argument is valid in a professional context and I think that FSE is still very-much in the transition from a bunch of highly-skilled fun loving guys to a professional company that will hopefully one day employ more than just a few devs.I more or less agree on pretty much all your points, except this one. The 51st has not really contributed to NW. They contributed to MM, but I did not see them host any real events in NW nor regularly frequent the in-game servers. They chose to switch to another game and I guess it is because they did not enjoy NW as much as the other game. So why honour people for their contribution to a game they do not even play in any more.
I do not have a problem with them being beta-testers, since in my opinion the more the merrier. If more people test it, then the game will be created to the liking of more people. Yet, saying they were chosen as beta-testers for their contribution is kind of slighting for the actually active peopl, who love this game and play it a lot and are thankful for it.
They can be beta-testers for all I care, but not because of the reason that they contributed and no, this is not the 91st member speaking, because I fully agree on your point concerning retarded regimental fewds. I am merely trying to show that credit should be given where it is deserved.
Hi Jackie, you are so right here.
But allow me to go further and say they did not contribute to MM either. Their activity was in the first year of MM and after that, well, they no longer existed except for a few mentionings of Fortune, Deathstar and MrTikki.
The previous is what really grinded my gears about the whole situation.
Its difficult to find ways to repay community contributions. FSE has chosen to honor the 51st in its own way. Your argument is that the 51st a) do not merit such an honor b) your initial beta test point changes where ignored because you where not part of the cool kids and that advancement in FSE is based on favoritism/nepotism. Personally I am in no position to argue that the 51st deserved or did not deserve any honors but I don't believe you where ignored, rather that fixes don't always come overnight especially when your working to deadlines while attempting to prioritize key issues and not being able to fix a particular critical item in a short time frame. The issue you mentioned was eventually fixed in patches, while later-than-one would have wished, it was none-the-less fixed and not game-braking to begin with. As far as favoritism vs merit goes; I think your argument is valid in a professional context and I think that FSE is still very-much in the transition from a bunch of highly-skilled fun loving guys to a professional company that will hopefully one day employ more than just a few devs.I more or less agree on pretty much all your points, except this one. The 51st has not really contributed to NW. They contributed to MM, but I did not see them host any real events in NW nor regularly frequent the in-game servers. They chose to switch to another game and I guess it is because they did not enjoy NW as much as the other game. So why honour people for their contribution to a game they do not even play in any more.
I do not have a problem with them being beta-testers, since in my opinion the more the merrier. If more people test it, then the game will be created to the liking of more people. Yet, saying they were chosen as beta-testers for their contribution is kind of slighting for the actually active people, who love this game and play it a lot and are thankful for it.
They can be beta-testers for all I care, but not because of the reason that they contributed and no, this is not the 91st member speaking, because I fully agree on your point concerning retarded regimental fewds. I am merely trying to show that credit should be given where it is deserved.
EDIT: This is concerning the regimental name and the special status, which has actually already been resolved.
As far as I am aware Biggun and Daniel did more than just post their opinions and while I am sure that there are plenty of cases where the admins/devs may have overreacted, I am pretty certain there was no overreaction in regards to Biggun and Daniel.
We could argue until the cows come home but in my experience everyone screams murder and vendetta when they are at the receiving end of the admin stick regardless of how justified or unjustified the action, hell even my first knee jerk reaction to being at the end of it in other forums is one of indignant outrage and annoyance until I reflect on what I actually did.. and that's still no guarantee I'll see it the admin's way 8) Just the way human nature is, we tend to overlook our own faults in favor of those of others.
In any case I've looked at the moderating boards for all your cases and I can safely say the "reasoning" went beyond mere posts or petty vendettas and was substantiated by more than one person. However given that I do work for FSE my opinion on the subject will most likely not be received without a cry of foul and bias :P
I've honestly never had a problem with an admin on the official servers and I'm all for strictness where it is called for. I generally hop on the public servers to relax after my classes, before starting on homework and such, and I'd rather not have to deal with children and/or immature "adults" antagonizing the admins and calling each other derogatory things like fa***t and n****r while I'm doing that. I'd hardly call it heavy handed. Behave on the public servers and you'll be fine. While admittedly I haven't been around as long as some, I've been playing on the official servers for about a year and a half and have yet to be warned by an admin, let alone banned.
My class starts in 5 minutes, so I only have time to respond to this.
The outrage agaisnt the admins in this thread has not been instigated by them banning "Children", as you described them, on the official servers, something, I dare say, a majority of people in here would stand by if it were to happen. No, It is because there has been people that has gotten extreme and unjust punishments for speaking out agaisnt the FSE Team.
The fact is I am not trying to make out that the 51st is at fault or anything of the kind, they didn't ask for special treatment to my knowledge. The problem is that with the reasoning they were awarded the honour alot of other people should have been honoured. The whole idea to honour some regiments was stupid though, the height of stupidity was, though how other people are being insulted by being omitted while having contributed just as much as the 51st. Not to mention the poor guy who had his regimental name ripped from him in an overly theatrical manner.How do you know that other regiments are being "omitted" though? Perhaps if they decided to leave and ask for the same honors, they may have just received it.
And Rejenorst, you know as well as I do that the likelihod of getting heard. As simple thing such as the buggy sound for pokes/thuds that I ran by you and atleast one of the other devs was still in at launch causing confusion and anger amongst the community.
And people say that there was ways to avoid the scandal, this conveniently circumvents the fact that the culture is that you have to be buddies with Vince to be heard, and you don't become his buddy by voicing dussenting opinions. Accordingly you have a bunch of yesmen at the top that just smile and nod as they are moving from one folly to another, Hancock is a senior member of the administrative team yet he was kept in the dark as far as I know, probably because he is not affraid to speak his mind. The whole community representative thing is as ill adviced as the 51st decision, I hope I am wrong but I doubt it. The root of the problem is that Vince isn't answerable to anyone, which will not change with the solution presented. And that is ultimately why this thread had to be here, infront of everyone, Vince and FSE need to have a rude awakening about the fact that they are a business, and as a business they are answerable to the customers who ultimately pay their salary.
The fact is I am not trying to make out that the 51st is at fault or anything of the kind, they didn't ask for special treatment to my knowledge. The problem is that with the reasoning they were awarded the honour alot of other people should have been honoured. The whole idea to honour some regiments was stupid though, the height of stupidity was, though how other people are being insulted by being omitted while having contributed just as much as the 51st. Not to mention the poor guy who had his regimental name ripped from him in an overly theatrical manner.How do you know that other regiments are being "omitted" though? Perhaps if they decided to leave and ask for the same honors, they may have just received it.
And Rejenorst, you know as well as I do that the likelihod of getting heard. As simple thing such as the buggy sound for pokes/thuds that I ran by you and atleast one of the other devs was still in at launch causing confusion and anger amongst the community.
And people say that there was ways to avoid the scandal, this conveniently circumvents the fact that the culture is that you have to be buddies with Vince to be heard, and you don't become his buddy by voicing dussenting opinions. Accordingly you have a bunch of yesmen at the top that just smile and nod as they are moving from one folly to another, Hancock is a senior member of the administrative team yet he was kept in the dark as far as I know, probably because he is not affraid to speak his mind. The whole community representative thing is as ill adviced as the 51st decision, I hope I am wrong but I doubt it. The root of the problem is that Vince isn't answerable to anyone, which will not change with the solution presented. And that is ultimately why this thread had to be here, infront of everyone, Vince and FSE need to have a rude awakening about the fact that they are a business, and as a business they are answerable to the customers who ultimately pay their salary.
Irrelevant. There's plenty of other regiments that the FSE and admins recognize as valuable contributors, like the 92nd, 91st or 84e. I don't see why they wouldn't have been given the same honors if they had left the game and an entire shitstorm arose from kids using their names to make bad regiments.The fact is I am not trying to make out that the 51st is at fault or anything of the kind, they didn't ask for special treatment to my knowledge. The problem is that with the reasoning they were awarded the honour alot of other people should have been honoured. The whole idea to honour some regiments was stupid though, the height of stupidity was, though how other people are being insulted by being omitted while having contributed just as much as the 51st. Not to mention the poor guy who had his regimental name ripped from him in an overly theatrical manner.How do you know that other regiments are being "omitted" though? Perhaps if they decided to leave and ask for the same honors, they may have just received it.
And Rejenorst, you know as well as I do that the likelihod of getting heard. As simple thing such as the buggy sound for pokes/thuds that I ran by you and atleast one of the other devs was still in at launch causing confusion and anger amongst the community.
And people say that there was ways to avoid the scandal, this conveniently circumvents the fact that the culture is that you have to be buddies with Vince to be heard, and you don't become his buddy by voicing dussenting opinions. Accordingly you have a bunch of yesmen at the top that just smile and nod as they are moving from one folly to another, Hancock is a senior member of the administrative team yet he was kept in the dark as far as I know, probably because he is not affraid to speak his mind. The whole community representative thing is as ill adviced as the 51st decision, I hope I am wrong but I doubt it. The root of the problem is that Vince isn't answerable to anyone, which will not change with the solution presented. And that is ultimately why this thread had to be here, infront of everyone, Vince and FSE need to have a rude awakening about the fact that they are a business, and as a business they are answerable to the customers who ultimately pay their salary.
We don't all have Trolafson in our regiment.
Irrelevant. There's plenty of other regiments that the FSE and admins recognize as valuable contributors, like the 92nd, 91st or 84e. I don't see why they wouldn't have been given the same honors if they had left the game and an entire shitstorm arose from kids using their names to make bad regiments.The fact is I am not trying to make out that the 51st is at fault or anything of the kind, they didn't ask for special treatment to my knowledge. The problem is that with the reasoning they were awarded the honour alot of other people should have been honoured. The whole idea to honour some regiments was stupid though, the height of stupidity was, though how other people are being insulted by being omitted while having contributed just as much as the 51st. Not to mention the poor guy who had his regimental name ripped from him in an overly theatrical manner.How do you know that other regiments are being "omitted" though? Perhaps if they decided to leave and ask for the same honors, they may have just received it.
And Rejenorst, you know as well as I do that the likelihod of getting heard. As simple thing such as the buggy sound for pokes/thuds that I ran by you and atleast one of the other devs was still in at launch causing confusion and anger amongst the community.
And people say that there was ways to avoid the scandal, this conveniently circumvents the fact that the culture is that you have to be buddies with Vince to be heard, and you don't become his buddy by voicing dussenting opinions. Accordingly you have a bunch of yesmen at the top that just smile and nod as they are moving from one folly to another, Hancock is a senior member of the administrative team yet he was kept in the dark as far as I know, probably because he is not affraid to speak his mind. The whole community representative thing is as ill adviced as the 51st decision, I hope I am wrong but I doubt it. The root of the problem is that Vince isn't answerable to anyone, which will not change with the solution presented. And that is ultimately why this thread had to be here, infront of everyone, Vince and FSE need to have a rude awakening about the fact that they are a business, and as a business they are answerable to the customers who ultimately pay their salary.
We don't all have Trolafson in our regiment.
The fact is I am not trying to make out that the 51st is at fault or anything of the kind, they didn't ask for special treatment to my knowledge. The problem is that with the reasoning they were awarded the honour alot of other people should have been honoured. The whole idea to honour some regiments was stupid though, the height of stupidity was, though how other people are being insulted by being omitted while having contributed just as much as the 51st. Not to mention the poor guy who had his regimental name ripped from him in an overly theatrical manner.
And Rejenorst, you know as well as I do that the likelihod of getting heard. As simple thing such as the buggy sound for pokes/thuds that I ran by you and atleast one of the other devs was still in at launch causing confusion and anger amongst the community.