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Been off for a while.. and only want to reply to the one, reacting to me with "Look at this, it's ordered!".

I was talking about the in-game admin screen, which does -not- order by name. Logfiles are ordered chronically and that's logical. I am quessing that most admins do not have direct log access, so your reaction is mute (correct spelling?). ha!

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Turns out you get banned if you even go on the bot team... I thought I'd try out going as bots again. I was the 3rd player to join that team with over 80 players on the opposite. I then noticed about 6 other people join the bot team and I suddenly get banned without warning... I've been playing on this server a little after it started up it started and never had a problem until now,

In future, the admins need to look at the log and see who actually changes team or joins later on, then grant the ones who are actually breaking the rules a punishment. It's that simple!

So explain to me, why now?

It takes an incredible amount of time to read the logfiles and place everything in the right chronical order.
Only once takes quite a while and it has to be done several times, or more, -each- round.

If people get paid for it, sure.. (still annoying).. They don't get paid though

No it doesn't.

- For each bot commander.. if you're quick.. you might find it out in 10 seconds. (wether he is allowed to command and ignoring players, who've been commander for multiple games, because that would take even more time)
- Before doing that, you need to be logged in and at the right place.
- After that you need to find the right name (admin user interface is not perfect, it doesnt order names and such)
- Then you need to swap/kick the player. (9/10 players simply switch back, or rejoin and switch back)
- Repeat. (on busy time, players will almost constatly be rejoining attackers)

This for each round, multiple times.. lets say.. once a 3 minutes.

It's more work than an average goverment worker does in a day and still prone to error. (the lack of a good User interface is one of the biggest problems).

Not immediately temp banning everyone, -breaking- the rules.. it takes a fulltime administrator and without pay.. I cannot blame them.
You go do volunteer work 8-16 hours a week, then you might be allowed to complain. (I actually somewhat do that already and I do not complain)

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Servers / Re: Requesting ID's (And IPs) of Betty the Bomber
« on: February 18, 2015, 01:49:06 pm »
You mean Elliot Brown, a man.

I'm glad.. Although emancipated, I still try not to hit women.

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Servers / Re: Oh KPR, you so funny
« on: February 17, 2015, 05:38:13 pm »
Having had this thread pointed out to me by a friend, I have gone in and investigated the matter Lunatic. I pulled up yesterday's logs and read through every instance you pop up in it. The incident in question goes as follows. I have redacted the names and ID's of all players and bolded the lines which are involved in this complaint.

18:31:15 - [Player - 1] motherfucker
 18:31:15 - Player - 2 has joined the game with ID: -------
 18:31:17 - Player - 3 <img=ico_custom_2> Player - 4
18:31:17 - *Admin*[*KPR*Vinze*]: watch the language
 18:31:18 - *KPR*Nalani* <img=ico_swordone> Player - 5
 18:31:19 - Player - 6 has joined the game with ID: -------
 18:31:23 - Player - 7 has joined the game with ID: -------
 18:31:23 - [Player - 8] poo
 18:31:23 - Player - 9 has joined the game with ID: -------
 18:31:24 - [White-Rabbit] fuck
 18:31:24 - [Player -1] ok sorry admin
 18:31:26 - Player - 10 <img=ico_spear> Player - 11
18:31:30 - [SERVER]: *KPR*Vinze* Permanently Banned Player White-Rabbit.
 18:31:30 - White-Rabbit is banned permanently by *KPR*Vinze*.
 18:31:31 - White-Rabbit has left the game with ID: -------


Vinze warned Player 1 (and on the behalf of player 1, the whole server), not to use foul language on our server. You then proceeded immediately after that warning, to use foul language. Looking further back, you had no legitimate reason to say this. You were not killed, you were not in a conversation or a yelling match. The only reason I can see for you having done this, is simply to provoke *KPR*Vinze*, the admin at the time, and to push his proverbial buttons by saying a foul word, immediately after you were warned not to do so. For this blatant and purposeful breach of server rules, and for trolling and antagonizing an admin from the perspective of the admin team, you were banned.

I would like to make this clear, if it has not already been so in our server rules, both in the server message in game, and in our teamspeak. The KPR DOES NOT allow for the use of foul language on our server. While the game is rated T- for teen, you must be well aware that a large number of the active population who plays this game, is under the age of 16. While, we understand that many of these 'children' do curse and use foul language on a daily basis, especially when with their friends. We as a mature playing community, do not wish to encourage this behavior. An example I like to bring up in these situations is one of a child sitting and playing in a linebattle with his regiment. His parents, interested in what their child is doing in this 'gaming' group, are sitting with him for a short while. During this time, someone in  chat rattles off a large amount of foul language and behavior. The parents, appalled at what they have just seen, tell the child he or she cannot play this game, and be part of the community we have. By spouting this foul language, that person has not only denied us a player in the community, but has been a poor representative of our community to the outside world. It is for this reason which we do not allow foul and abusive language on our server.

We do allow for unban requests, however all of these are handled in person in our teamspeak, not over the forums at FSEgames. If you wish to undergo this process, you are more than welcome to come to our teamspeak at KPR.teamspeak3.com, and apologize for your actions. It's a simple process, but we must believe you are sincere in your apology in this case.

In response to your first message, we host two events a week, and loan our server out on other weekdays to other regiments who wish to use it to host their own events. During these times, the attending individuals seem to have no issues in keeping to our fairly simply rule. It is only the rare individual which must be banned both in and outside of events on our sever for breaking our rule about abusive language. If you, as an individual feels the need to use this kind of language, and to antagonizing our admining team, we frankly do not need that kind of individual on our server.

If you have any further questions or complaints, you are more than welcome to post them here or in person on our teamspeak server. Though as mentioned above, unbanning can only happen in person.

Sincerely,
*KPR*Nalani*

"The only reason I can see for you having done this, is simply to provoke *KPR*Vinze*, the admin at the time."
Don't pull that shit on me, Nalani. I was apart of the KPR under the name Dauntless, and I was an admin as well; If cussing has been against the rules, then I've seen KPR break their own rules hundreds of times. Yet, I've never once seen Kolakhan tell anyone that cussing is not allowed on the KPR server. It was 100% logical for me to assume that Vinze was being a grumpy pants as usual by creating and enforcing rules for the sole purpose of finding someone to yell at.
Also, as previously stated, why the instant permanent ban?
Is trolling so out of hand on the KPR server that the only way to combat it is to perma ban anyone who breaks any rule at all?

You acted like a kid and they treated you like a kid.
You intentionally provoked on someone else's server and got kicked for it.
Complaining about it.. is mostly a complain about your own personality.

If you come into my house and I tell you not to smoke.. you start to smoke.. I'll kick you out. (bad example, because I smoke inside)

Respect other people, it's as simple as that

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Servers / Re: Requesting ID's (And IPs) of Betty the Bomber
« on: February 17, 2015, 05:35:32 pm »
Heh.. the same question, which made 'Betty' deaththreaten me..
Why.. just why?

I completely understand heavy drinkers, drug abusers and all sort of people.
Just don't understand the motivation of this guy. (very, very unlikely that he's actually a girl)

It's not even entertaining to be trolling constantly.. and doing it for so long and repeately..
Can only be a desperate cry for attention and I'm expecting a short lifespan for said person.

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Turns out you get banned if you even go on the bot team... I thought I'd try out going as bots again. I was the 3rd player to join that team with over 80 players on the opposite. I then noticed about 6 other people join the bot team and I suddenly get banned without warning... I've been playing on this server a little after it started up it started and never had a problem until now,

In future, the admins need to look at the log and see who actually changes team or joins later on, then grant the ones who are actually breaking the rules a punishment. It's that simple!

So explain to me, why now?

It takes an incredible amount of time to read the logfiles and place everything in the right chronical order.
Only once takes quite a while and it has to be done several times, or more, -each- round.

If people get paid for it, sure.. (still annoying).. They don't get paid though

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As I've written above..
Mistakes are bound to be made, as it's near impossible to tell the 'correct' bot commanders from the 'incorrect' ones.

People tend to come with a variety of excuses (when they actually did break the rules, I'm not debating that), therefor they probably don't feel like answering all of them anymore. (and read up.. the kind of responses you receive from these players are.. well.. kinda off)

Might've been a mistake, wait a few hours and try again.

The position in the player list itself does not decide wether you can be a commander or not. It is possible for bot commanders to have a very low K/D ratio and therefor are at the bottom of the list.
(this is why it's near impossible to make the right decisions as administrator and they don't want to stay 24/7 on a server, they don't actively play on at that moment)

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Nice! I just joined this server and get ban for no reason. Good Job!

Did you read the rules?

(3 max on attackers' side with.. fewer players.. more players 5 max on attacker's side)

They used to swap/kick people, when there were too many commanders.
This, however, proved unworkable, as most people simply ignored administration and rejoined the attackers.

I'm sure this is why Cenkris, Harvain etcetera decided to immediately use temp bans (or maybe even perm bans), because it simply took too long to moderate.
The problem here is, that it is very much possible that the wrong guy gets banned.

Even if you join as first commanders (and are allowed to stay there), you might get killed a few times without getting kills yourself.
For an administrator it's near impossible to see who's actually an allowed commander and who's not.
Mistakes can happen this way.

I noticed them banning players a lot faster and twas the reason for my post to compliment them, because it somewhat points to a big workload.

Try again in a few hours, probably only a temporarly ban.. and be honest, if you simply missed the rules ;)

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Servers / Re: Oh KPR, you so funny
« on: February 12, 2015, 04:25:54 pm »
what has this community turned to :(

Although I am well aware that my opinions can very well upset certain people, it does seem to be a bit more toxic than it was.

Granted that most veterans probably stopped paying attention to fora and such, while the new players rush in.
Mount&Blade is still frequently being offered as discount, which would explain the new players. (lower price : lower threshold : more people with less money : more teenagers)

I only replied to this thread, because it can be hard to find a group, where regular etiquette is uphold.
The communities I was part of in my younger years (mainly Starsiege Tribes) were always very polite. I cannot remember anyone cursing at all (atleast not in the direction of another person), nor did I ever have the intention to insult another.
It's just not normal to do so and I really think it's a reason for concern. (especially if you're a parent of one of these kids)

I mean.. the responses from these kids after you tell them to act decently.. it's just.. strange.

We have to make laws, where -any- kind of internet connection is linked with actual personal information.
You mess up, you can (and probably will) get a visitor at home.

I thought XBOX One or some other already does this? (always been a PC guy, not a console gamer)
Where you can flag other players purely on behavior.

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Servers / Re: ♜ Minisiege
« on: February 11, 2015, 05:32:46 pm »
i had an idea for a new map.... a snowy one, again with russia and france basically.... but i'll have to learn how to make m&b scenes. I've modded other games a little before, so it's not all new to me.... but i might be able to contribute at some point.

Still naval sounds awesome.... more pirates and pirate hats :D

There is quite a lot of documentation available.. I think on these forums in relation to a mapping contest.
Can take quite a while, but if you're not intending to do a lot with walls/buildings, it'll be alright.
(naval maps would be relatively easy, although never made/released one)

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Servers / Re: Oh KPR, you so funny
« on: February 11, 2015, 03:30:38 pm »
Actually moderating rules like this are quite admirable.

The specific ban on White Rabbit is relatively harsh, but also a good lesson for the younger players not to do something, you're told not to.
Even in your teenage years, it is considered childish and compensates the harshness.
( It's really something for kids around their 6th year.. "Timmy don't swear! -F*ck!" *smack* )

I think this thread only compliments KPR.. A group I've never heard of before.

Go fuck yourself.

*drums*.. My point proven!

Reminds me of Family Guy, one of the later episodes.. Yea I knocked your kid over for a hotdog! You think you're better than me!?
- Yea my parents never taught me not to curse! you think you're better than me!?

This response can be read as an attempt on humor.. I wonder if it is

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Servers / Re: Oh KPR, you so funny
« on: February 11, 2015, 12:40:47 pm »
Actually moderating rules like this are quite admirable.

The specific ban on White Rabbit is relatively harsh, but also a good lesson for the younger players not to do something, you're told not to.
Even in your teenage years, it is considered childish and compensates the harshness.
( It's really something for kids around their 6th year.. "Timmy don't swear! -F*ck!" *smack* )

I think this thread only compliments KPR.. A group I've never heard of before.

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Yea, didnt mean this argument to start.. Lots of people are just very toxic on these forums and I really wonder why.
It's a sure bet that I've got a lot more experience than the people, who I apparently hurt.

Only point I was making.. is to compliment people moderating a server, full with.. quite easily hurt people.

Please don't continue any other ethical discussions.. I'm arrogant enough to tell you, I'm better than you, regarding ethics. (getting a point across in such a way that people accept that.. is something different at all)

But I do wonder 1 thing.. what is your 'official' stance on glitching earthworks (and/or plank spam, >3 planks at same spot)

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I feel like there is a conspiracy with FSE and the 15th to have people banned so that way they buy more keys to play on the server thus getting FSE extra money. Maybe it's just me  ::)
#illuminati confurmed
i was also suspecting something similar going on with betty :D

Dont mention Betty.. that little kid is thus far the only one, who ever 'seriously' sent a death threat to me.
He's lucky to be in England and I'm too lazy to do anything else, because I'm not one to call these things out to the authorities
LOL

A self evaluation advice... When someone asks you : "but... why?" and you start to threaten their lives.. you might have a tiny psychological problem.
Still.. when I asked someone from public transit why he bothered even showing up to his work, I also got threatened.. must be the standard response of the lower class. (Either "I kill you!" or "You think you're better than I!?")

Amusing lower class people.
Defining people by class, I think you must also have a problem. Maybe having a silver spoon shoved up your ass?

Oh definitely not.. worked all my life and it's been actual work.. not the kind of 'work' you find in the higher classes. Which I also can do, but I refuse to make money with it.
 
I might be described as lower middle class: lacking the passion to get in an higher class (got too much ethics) and lacking the ignorance to be in the lower classes.
Life as a all-class hating socialist is difficult and I agree that this is indeed a problem.

I've seen internet (gaming and web) grow over the years from about the start.. and the biggest change  in the last few years are people from the lower classes getting online more often.
I'm sure the chances of getting a "Betty" were a lot smaller back in the day and it shows why it can be a blessing to keep people illiterate.

-edit
This debate has nothing to do with the topic by the way. "Betty" is probably not from the lower class, because they normally don't have the finances to buy.. how many.. keys. (or he stole it, but I can't imagine him having actual IT related skills)

All those discussions here, including one of those guys, who replied to me earlier.. have a direct correlation with their roots. (not even the youngest kids in my environment would act like that)

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I feel like there is a conspiracy with FSE and the 15th to have people banned so that way they buy more keys to play on the server thus getting FSE extra money. Maybe it's just me  ::)
#illuminati confurmed
i was also suspecting something similar going on with betty :D

Dont mention Betty.. that little kid is thus far the only one, who ever 'seriously' sent a death threat to me.
He's lucky to be in England and I'm too lazy to do anything else, because I'm not one to call these things out to the authorities
LOL

A self evaluation advice... When someone asks you : "but... why?" and you start to threaten their lives.. you might have a tiny psychological problem.
Still.. when I asked someone from public transit why he bothered even showing up to his work, I also got threatened.. must be the standard response of the lower class. (Either "I kill you!" or "You think you're better than I!?")

Amusing lower class people.

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