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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #2250 on: January 13, 2018, 03:50:45 pm »
Tbh the US is still more democratic than Sweden, which is barely a democracy.
Please do explain your reasoning behind that statement.

Sure-how many EU Commissioners could you vote for? Is there a mechanism for you as a voter to remove them from office if you don't like what they're doing?

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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #2251 on: January 13, 2018, 05:50:57 pm »
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Sure-how many British ministers could you vote for? Is there a mechanism for you as a voter to remove them from office if you don't like what they're doing?

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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #2252 on: January 13, 2018, 06:19:43 pm »
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Sure-how many British ministers could you vote for? Is there a mechanism for you as a voter to remove them from office if you don't like what they're doing?
Yes, ministers are also MPs and are elected on at every general election, if the Brits still use the Westminster model

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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #2253 on: January 13, 2018, 06:34:33 pm »
They're elected them as MP, a legislative function. They receive no mandate for a executive position as minister they are appointed to, apart from the fake majority their party gets.
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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #2254 on: January 13, 2018, 06:47:53 pm »
They're elected them as MP, a legislative function. They receive no mandate for a executive position as minister they are appointed to, apart from the fake majority their party gets.
Except the sovereign has the power to appoint ministers under the system, not the party, that’s where the legitimacy of the ministers comes from. It’s the Queens mandate through the Cabinet

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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #2255 on: January 13, 2018, 06:53:30 pm »
Silly argument Duuring, as Theodin pointed out they're elected MPs. They also sit as Ministers because they have the support of Parliament to do so. A number of EU Commissioners have never actually been elected to anything in their lives. Anyway answer the question-do you think the EU is democratic?

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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #2256 on: January 13, 2018, 07:38:12 pm »
UK’s system isn’t even power to the people, the whole point is the Queen has the power and the people chose the people who get the power. It’s the ideal system because you have a continuous legitimate power source and fairly decentralized structure.
What does the EU have like that 

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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #2257 on: January 13, 2018, 08:02:01 pm »
Technically speaking the Queen is the representative of the people's sovereignty (Goes all the way back to Magna Carta, but particularly with 1689 Claim of Right, etc) so it is in fact power to the people. She's a constitutional monarch and if she breaks that pact she automatically abdicates the crown.

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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #2258 on: January 13, 2018, 08:10:13 pm »
Technically speaking the Queen is the representative of the people's sovereignty (Goes all the way back to Magna Carta, but particularly with 1689 Claim of Right, etc) so it is in fact power to the people. She's a constitutional monarch and if she breaks that pact she automatically abdicates the crown.
That’s fair. The Canadian constitution was written with that whole “power to the people” in mind - trying to avoid that. Our founders worried about the reliability of a US type constitution so took power away from the people and placed it in the institution

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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #2259 on: January 14, 2018, 11:56:34 am »
https://www.nederlandseleeuw.nl

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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #2260 on: January 14, 2018, 02:49:23 pm »
https://www.nederlandseleeuw.nl

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Lol if that event is in English...

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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #2261 on: January 14, 2018, 09:21:03 pm »
Funny enough, they have a surprisingly varied mix of speakers from both the left and the right wing and pro- and anti- immigration.
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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #2262 on: January 14, 2018, 10:02:16 pm »
Funny enough, they have a surprisingly varied mix of speakers from both the left and the right wing and pro- and anti- immigration.

My word, it is almost like they represent all the different kinds of opinions there are on the European continent in regards to those topics....
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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #2263 on: January 14, 2018, 10:11:02 pm »
Funny enough, they have a surprisingly varied mix of speakers from both the left and the right wing and pro- and anti- immigration.

You're kidding, right?

I went to a guest lecture by two of those people listed as speaker (Ybeltje 'Didn't do a thing as a MP but that's not my fault' Berckmoes and Sid 'EVERYTHING IS A MARXIST CONSPIRACY' Lukassen. It was one hour of very uncomfortable sitting in a room while they kept giving eachother compliments on how brilliant they were. And I'm not kidding, they really did use the word 'brilliant' to describe eachother. Multiple times. It was horrible.

My guess, it's gonna be one day full of right-wingers complaining how they can't speak their mind cos of the angry left-wing (Even though most of them, if not all, have made their carreers based on saying or writing down their views) and ending with 'immigration is bad mkay'. But we'll see, maybe I'm wrong. For all Dutch-speakers, I highly suggest checking out Chris Aalberts live-twitter account or his future article on the event on TPO. Aalberts is one of the best, if not the best political journalist of the Netherlands.

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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #2264 on: January 14, 2018, 10:13:01 pm »
Ah because we all know Duuring went into the event with a perfectly objective mindset. I’m sure what they said disappointed him, not just the fact that going in they didn’t agree with him. 😏

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