I think we need a list of demands
- Kitty removed from her Administrator position
- The rights to the name of the 51st given to the one who asks for it
- An official apology from FSE
- A more universal say in the appointment of administrators (give us a say)
- Daniel Craig ect un banned from the forums
- More specific forum rules with new moderators
we will be instituting a new group of players on our forums, the NW Community Representatives. They will be nominated by the community, and will have access to a new forum board area. If FSE sees a need to make a community altering decision, we will first post the proposal of such in this area, in order to gain necessary community feedback so as to make an informed decision. This place will be carefully watched Their opinions will guide our policy, and allow the community a voice to the FSE management.
In my opinion people need to grow up and stop arguing over stuff like this.And FSE need to get some proper admins who aren't complete and utter trolls.
It doesn't help when people go around making things worse by feeding the trolls.
:|In my opinion people need to grow up and stop arguing over stuff like this.And FSE need to get some proper admins who aren't complete and utter trolls.
It doesn't help when people go around making things worse by feeding the trolls.
In my opinion people need to grow up and stop arguing over stuff like this.And FSE need to get some proper admins who aren't complete and utter trolls.
It doesn't help when people go around making things worse by feeding the trolls.
I hate to admit it but: tav is...rightIn my opinion people need to grow up and stop arguing over stuff like this.And FSE need to get some proper admins who aren't complete and utter trolls.
It doesn't help when people go around making things worse by feeding the trolls.
In my opinion people need to grow up and stop arguing over stuff like this.And FSE need to get some proper admins who aren't complete and utter trolls.
It doesn't help when people go around making things worse by feeding the trolls.
#tav4admin2013
Am I the only one who doesn't care about the Damn regiments, I care more about the admins and think we should Help FSE to create a new way of Choosing admins, My idea is that they should Open a thread to the community asking their opinion on the person Applying and they would then decide Yes or no, Also I think we should Call a vote on the current admins and see the Community's opinion on whether or not they should Keep their Administrative Powers. Finally there should be a Place on the Forums where people Can complain about specific admins if they feel they have been Mistreated.
Am I the only one who doesn't care about the Damn regiments, I care more about the admins and think we should Help FSE to create a new way of Choosing admins, My idea is that they should Open a thread to the community asking their opinion on the person Applying and they would then decide Yes or no, Also I think we should Call a vote on the current admins and see the Community's opinion on whether or not they should Keep their Administrative Powers. Finally there should be a Place on the Forums where people Can complain about specific admins if they feel they have been Mistreated.
In my mind,a lot of regs have got too much influence and we should break it down now.The regs are the regs,there not here to do the police.
Commence the unbans... Also, I want more info on these "representatives"
2. Now, even though we are from now going to step back from these kind of decisions and loosen the grip we try to have over the community, there may be a time in the future when such decisions may need to be made. But it will no longer only be in our hands, instead If such a time comes, we will need a base of respected players who can give an informed opinion on such decisions, before we make them. Thus, we will be instituting a new group of players on our forums, the NW Community Representatives. They will be nominated by the community, and will have access to a new forum board area. If FSE sees a need to make a community altering decision, we will first post the proposal of such in this area, in order to gain necessary community feedback so as to make an informed decision. This place will be carefully watched Their opinions will guide our policy, and allow the community a voice to the FSE management.
We will be setting up the Community Representative Process shortly. I look forward to serious dialogue taking place, with real solutions being found with help from both the administration and the community.
Am I the only one who doesn't care about the Damn regiments, I care more about the admins and think we should Help FSE to create a new way of Choosing admins, My idea is that they should Open a thread to the community asking their opinion on the person Applying and they would then decide Yes or no, Also I think we should Call a vote on the current admins and see the Community's opinion on whether or not they should Keep their Administrative Powers. Finally there should be a Place on the Forums where people Can complain about specific admins if they feel they have been Mistreated.
Go look at the Champions of Europe thread, see how that turned out.
It was a Suggestion That appeared as I was Writing it. First thing to Pop into my headAm I the only one who doesn't care about the Damn regiments, I care more about the admins and think we should Help FSE to create a new way of Choosing admins, My idea is that they should Open a thread to the community asking their opinion on the person Applying and they would then decide Yes or no, Also I think we should Call a vote on the current admins and see the Community's opinion on whether or not they should Keep their Administrative Powers. Finally there should be a Place on the Forums where people Can complain about specific admins if they feel they have been Mistreated.
Go look at the Champions of Europe thread, see how that turned out.
In my opinion people need to grow up and stop arguing over stuff like this.And FSE need to get some proper admins who aren't complete and utter trolls.
It doesn't help when people go around making things worse by feeding the trolls.
I understand, just wanted to know a bit more about there duties, and when they'll be starting this process.Commence the unbans... Also, I want more info on these "representatives"2. Now, even though we are from now going to step back from these kind of decisions and loosen the grip we try to have over the community, there may be a time in the future when such decisions may need to be made. But it will no longer only be in our hands, instead If such a time comes, we will need a base of respected players who can give an informed opinion on such decisions, before we make them. Thus, we will be instituting a new group of players on our forums, the NW Community Representatives. They will be nominated by the community, and will have access to a new forum board area. If FSE sees a need to make a community altering decision, we will first post the proposal of such in this area, in order to gain necessary community feedback so as to make an informed decision. This place will be carefully watched Their opinions will guide our policy, and allow the community a voice to the FSE management.
We will be setting up the Community Representative Process shortly. I look forward to serious dialogue taking place, with real solutions being found with help from both the administration and the community.
Have patience.
The problem is that our criticisms are valid, but we need to state what we want changed. I was community banned for speaking up against the admins
along with daniel and biggun. I don't think that all the FSE team do an incompotent job, for instance I think Hancock does a great job with the bans and unbans
and acts in a professional manner about such things. Here are a few things that I and I hope most of the community want.
- Re-evaluate your management of the community, and how people are watched/moderated/banned.
- Re-consider people who were given admin who may not be up to the task.
- Stop your blatant favourtisim and biased, to uphold the professionalism of FSE as a company.
- Start treating your community like people you want to keep for the sake of your new game
- Give up on your idea of trying to keep the 51st name, honestly it's offensive to other regiments who have contributed just as much.
- Give community managers to completely Neutral memebrs of the community, who wont have as little bias as possible.
- The developers apologise for how they have been running the community recently, and myself, Daniel, Biggun, Cherry and others are unbanned.
-craig
In my opinion people need to grow up and stop arguing over stuff like this.And FSE need to get some proper admins who aren't complete and utter trolls.
It doesn't help when people go around making things worse by feeding the trolls.
They also need to get rid big headed grammar nazi tits who do nothing but insult people everywhere they go.
In my opinion people need to grow up and stop arguing over stuff like this.I wholeheartedly agree.
It doesn't help when people go around making things worse by feeding the trolls.
I said this on the other thread, but how exactly will the community reps be chosen? as I would like to express my interest in becoming one
I said this on the other thread, but how exactly will the community reps be chosen? as I would like to express my interest in becoming one
This might sound a Little extreme but what about removing all Admins apart from FSE and pretty much starting from scratch?
I said this on the other thread, but how exactly will the community reps be chosen? as I would like to express my interest in becoming one
I said this on the other thread, but how exactly will the community reps be chosen? as I would like to express my interest in becoming onePoeple like you shouldn't get it. It should be people who will fight for the betterment of the community and who will not bend their back to appease the FSE administration staff. Hekko would be a prime example, long live NSMNW!
Perhaps everyone should just calm their nips. I cannot be the only one who simply did not care one way or the other about the 51st business. The main reason why the "community is failing" is because most of you take things way to seriously for a game. Personally I think this thread, and any other thread making complaints (not suggestions, just complaints) ought to be locked. Unless you people have an idea to make things better, just be quiet and quit whining. So, following my own rule I have a suggestion to improve the quality of the community:
Quit talking about the "community" as if it is one single entity. There are a few people that say stupid crap, but the majority of the chatter is now just complaining about it. It's like a bunch of people just hopped on the bandwagon and began ragging on "that damned community".
In summary, complaining is pointless, instead you should offer suggestions to improve or fix a problem. And stop pretending that this is like the Pentagon. We are just a group of people playing a game and it seems like you guys think it's a matter of life and death.
that was one of the most generalized, stupid, uninformed and biased posts I have ever seen.Perhaps everyone should just calm their nips. I cannot be the only one who simply did not care one way or the other about the 51st business. The main reason why the "community is failing" is because most of you take things way to seriously for a game. Personally I think this thread, and any other thread making complaints (not suggestions, just complaints) ought to be locked. Unless you people have an idea to make things better, just be quiet and quit whining. So, following my own rule I have a suggestion to improve the quality of the community:
Quit talking about the "community" as if it is one single entity. There are a few people that say stupid crap, but the majority of the chatter is now just complaining about it. It's like a bunch of people just hopped on the bandwagon and began ragging on "that damned community".
In summary, complaining is pointless, instead you should offer suggestions to improve or fix a problem. And stop pretending that this is like the Pentagon. We are just a group of people playing a game and it seems like you guys think it's a matter of life and death.
To be fair... The NA portion has never really been part of the community. It's (for the most part, sorry for the decent guys im about to insult, you know who you are) a rag tag collection, a motley band of trolls and people who act aloof and as if they are on another level. Ranging from your casual racist to the suipoer serious double line guys who flame and consider everyone who doesn't like to play in their stange style beneath them.
And no, i play alot of games with Americans, i like them. This is just the NW "damed community".
To be fair... The NA portion has never really been part of the community. It's (for the most part, sorry for the decent guys im about to insult, you know who you are) a rag tag collection, a motley band of trolls and people who act aloof and as if they are on another level. Ranging from your casual racist to the suipoer serious double line guys who flame and consider everyone who doesn't like to play in their stange style beneath them.
And no, i play alot of games with Americans, i like them. This is just the NW "damed community".
that was one of the most generalized, stupid, uninformed and biased posts I have ever seen.
To be fair... The NA portion has never really been part of the community. It's (for the most part, sorry for the decent guys im about to insult, you know who you are) a rag tag collection, a motley band of trolls and people who act aloof and as if they are on another level. Ranging from your casual racist to the suipoer serious double line guys who flame and consider everyone who doesn't like to play in their stange style beneath them.
And no, i play alot of games with Americans, i like them. This is just the NW "damed community".
That sounds like racism. "I like Americans, I play a lot of games with them." I'm NA, not many people know that for some strange reason. Windbusche is NA, Xeroth is NA, Crawford is NA, Odyseuss is NA, Stubbs is NA, Thundersnow is NA, Cop is NA, Menelaos is NA, dare I go on?
Don't sully the name of NA players on the accounts of the occasional troll; which might I add, is a universal trait.
that was one of the most generalized, stupid, uninformed and biased posts I have ever seen.Perhaps everyone should just calm their nips. I cannot be the only one who simply did not care one way or the other about the 51st business. The main reason why the "community is failing" is because most of you take things way to seriously for a game. Personally I think this thread, and any other thread making complaints (not suggestions, just complaints) ought to be locked. Unless you people have an idea to make things better, just be quiet and quit whining. So, following my own rule I have a suggestion to improve the quality of the community:
Quit talking about the "community" as if it is one single entity. There are a few people that say stupid crap, but the majority of the chatter is now just complaining about it. It's like a bunch of people just hopped on the bandwagon and began ragging on "that damned community".
In summary, complaining is pointless, instead you should offer suggestions to improve or fix a problem. And stop pretending that this is like the Pentagon. We are just a group of people playing a game and it seems like you guys think it's a matter of life and death.
To be fair... The NA portion has never really been part of the community. It's (for the most part, sorry for the decent guys im about to insult, you know who you are) a rag tag collection, a motley band of trolls and people who act aloof and as if they are on another level. Ranging from your casual racist to the suipoer serious double line guys who flame and consider everyone who doesn't like to play in their stange style beneath them.
And no, i play alot of games with Americans, i like them. This is just the NW "damed community".
Canada is in North America :PTo be fair... The NA portion has never really been part of the community. It's (for the most part, sorry for the decent guys im about to insult, you know who you are) a rag tag collection, a motley band of trolls and people who act aloof and as if they are on another level. Ranging from your casual racist to the suipoer serious double line guys who flame and consider everyone who doesn't like to play in their stange style beneath them.
And no, i play alot of games with Americans, i like them. This is just the NW "damed community".
That sounds like racism. "I like Americans, I play a lot of games with them." I'm NA, not many people know that for some strange reason. Windbusche is NA, Xeroth is NA, Crawford is NA, Odyseuss is NA, Stubbs is NA, Thundersnow is NA, Cop is NA, Menelaos is NA, dare I go on?
Don't sully the name of NA players on the accounts of the occasional troll; which might I add, is a universal trait.
Odyseuss is actually canadian. But your point is valid.
Odyseuss is actually canadian. But your point is valid.
Canada is in North America :PTo be fair... The NA portion has never really been part of the community. It's (for the most part, sorry for the decent guys im about to insult, you know who you are) a rag tag collection, a motley band of trolls and people who act aloof and as if they are on another level. Ranging from your casual racist to the suipoer serious double line guys who flame and consider everyone who doesn't like to play in their stange style beneath them.
And no, i play alot of games with Americans, i like them. This is just the NW "damed community".
That sounds like racism. "I like Americans, I play a lot of games with them." I'm NA, not many people know that for some strange reason. Windbusche is NA, Xeroth is NA, Crawford is NA, Odyseuss is NA, Stubbs is NA, Thundersnow is NA, Cop is NA, Menelaos is NA, dare I go on?
Don't sully the name of NA players on the accounts of the occasional troll; which might I add, is a universal trait.
Odyseuss is actually canadian. But your point is valid.
Anyway, my post may have been harsh, but what you say is not the truth.
How is that fair? What you said is basically the same thing as labeling an entire regiment as trolls because some guy form that regiment made a disruption on the forums or on servers. The NA population is as much a part of the community as the EU population; we are people too, and we play the game and play on the server just as much as you do. The labels you have suggested are way out of proportion, as they could very well be applied to many of the EU population. There are those who are respectable (you said it yourself), and there are those who are not, in every single population in the world. It is very ignorant to apply them to any one population. "It takes one to know one." to put it crudely.Perhaps everyone should just calm their nips. I cannot be the only one who simply did not care one way or the other about the 51st business. The main reason why the "community is failing" is because most of you take things way to seriously for a game. Personally I think this thread, and any other thread making complaints (not suggestions, just complaints) ought to be locked. Unless you people have an idea to make things better, just be quiet and quit whining. So, following my own rule I have a suggestion to improve the quality of the community:
Quit talking about the "community" as if it is one single entity. There are a few people that say stupid crap, but the majority of the chatter is now just complaining about it. It's like a bunch of people just hopped on the bandwagon and began ragging on "that damned community".
In summary, complaining is pointless, instead you should offer suggestions to improve or fix a problem. And stop pretending that this is like the Pentagon. We are just a group of people playing a game and it seems like you guys think it's a matter of life and death.
To be fair... The NA portion has never really been part of the community. It's (for the most part, sorry for the decent guys im about to insult, you know who you are) a rag tag collection, a motley band of trolls and people who act aloof and as if they are on another level. Ranging from your casual racist to the suipoer serious double line guys who flame and consider everyone who doesn't like to play in their stange style beneath them.
And no, i play alot of games with Americans, i like them. This is just the NW "damed community".
To be fair... The NA portion has never really been part of the community. It's (for the most part, sorry for the decent guys im about to insult, you know who you are) a rag tag collection, a motley band of trolls and people who act aloof and as if they are on another level. Ranging from your casual racist to the suipoer serious double line guys who flame and consider everyone who doesn't like to play in their stange style beneath them.
And no, i play alot of games with Americans, i like them. This is just the NW "damed community".
That sounds like racism. "I like Americans, I play a lot of games with them." I'm NA, not many people know that for some strange reason. Windbusche is NA, Xeroth is NA, Crawford is NA, Odyseuss is NA, Stubbs is NA, Thundersnow is NA, Cop is NA, Menelaos is NA, dare I go on?
Don't sully the name of NA players on the accounts of the occasional troll; which might I add, is a universal trait.that was one of the most generalized, stupid, uninformed and biased posts I have ever seen.
Now now, Ody... that's probably where he's coming from.
Still doesn't mean the NA players shouldn't be a part of this.
If we, the NW community, are going to have any structure and relation left, this EU vs NA stuff needs to stop. We are one community. We come from across the world, from many backgrounds, but we all share the same interest: the Napoleonic Wars. That is why we're here. We are not here to bandy words and argue about who's better, because no one is better than anyone else. Sure, there may be those who are annoying, trollish, etc. etc. but if we become elitist and feel superior towards them, we make ourselves no better than they are. Play the game; enjoy each other's company; it really is an amazing thing that we can come together from such a distance, and that is what we should treasure and keep in our minds.
E pluribus unum.
An olive branch.....
I hereby apologise to any americans or players in an NA based timezone that i have offended. I merely wished to stress, that before there were NA servers that the percentage of MM that was US based was very very small, almost insignificant if you don't find that too rude. It was with the advent of steam sales for NW really that the NA community grew at a huge rate. Before that you would be more likely to see lone NA players who conducted themselves to a high standard whenever you would meet them.
I am sorry, but in my view it has turned to the oposite. The NA players who are respectful, considerate and engage in a friendly manner is now the minority in the macro scale. I'm not saying you are all assholes. But that for some reason the culture of the US community is different to the EU one, and perhaps it is my fault for not being able to reconcile that gap of behaviours in my mind.
If we, the NW community, are going to have any structure and relation left, this EU vs NA stuff needs to stop. We are one community. We come from across the world, from many backgrounds, but we all share the same interest: the Napoleonic Wars. That is why we're here. We are not here to bandy words and argue about who's better, because no one is better than anyone else. Sure, there may be those who are annoying, trollish, etc. etc. but if we become elitist and feel superior towards them, we make ourselves no better than they are. Play the game; enjoy each other's company; it really is an amazing thing that we can come together from such a distance, and that is what we should treasure and keep in our minds.Slurp slurp.
E pluribus unum.
An olive branch.....
I hereby apologise to any americans or players in an NA based timezone that i have offended. I merely wished to stress, that before there were NA servers that the percentage of MM that was US based was very very small, almost insignificant if you don't find that too rude. It was with the advent of steam sales for NW really that the NA community grew at a huge rate. Before that you would be more likely to see lone NA players who conducted themselves to a high standard whenever you would meet them.
I am sorry, but in my view it has turned to the oposite. The NA players who are respectful, considerate and engage in a friendly manner is now the minority in the macro scale. I'm not saying you are all assholes. But that for some reason the culture of the US community is different to the EU one, and perhaps it is my fault for not being able to reconcile that gap of behaviours in my mind.
An olive branch.....
I hereby apologise to any americans or players in an NA based timezone that i have offended. I merely wished to stress, that before there were NA servers that the percentage of MM that was US based was very very small, almost insignificant if you don't find that too rude. It was with the advent of steam sales for NW really that the NA community grew at a huge rate. Before that you would be more likely to see lone NA players who conducted themselves to a high standard whenever you would meet them.
I am sorry, but in my view it has turned to the oposite. The NA players who are respectful, considerate and engage in a friendly manner is now the minority in the macro scale. I'm not saying you are all assholes. But that for some reason the culture of the US community is different to the EU one, and perhaps it is my fault for not being able to reconcile that gap of behaviours in my mind.
Some of us NA are a'holes, but I've also had way more than enough EU a'holes trolls who ruin the game experience for others. In the end it's just the person. Yes cultures are very different, but Im just saying you shouldn't differentiate besides time zone.
As to your 3rd point.
I agree, no administration should make rushed or rash decisions. The fact of this particular case however, or these decisions, i.e. the reinstating of the 51st name, the nominations for Community Reps, all those were decisions, were forced to be rushed into play by Hekko's thread. These very things, and more, would have been made clear to this community over this week, as the administration was, as I have said in other threads, "literally in the process of working out reformations to the forum and server policies."
It is not the administration's fault in the slightest that the decisions they are making are seemingly rushed, maybe even inadequate, and that's because Hekko rashly forced their hand when they were not ready, therefore creating a much bigger splash effect in this once friendly community than there should have been. This effects everyone, including Hekko and the administration team, and you, and me.
It could have been avoided.
I might as well put it here since the original thread got locked:I have never said that the administration has not done rash decisions in the past. They have, and that's what they were trying to amend with the well thought out changes they were in the process of making when you posted your thread.
And people say that there was ways to avoid the scandal, this conveniently circumvents the fact that the culture is that you have to be buddies with Vince to be heard, and you don't become his buddy by voicing dissenting opinions. Accordingly you have a bunch of yesmen at the top that just smile and nod as they are moving from one folly to another, Hancock is a senior member of the administrative team yet he was kept in the dark as far as I know, probably because he is not affraid to speak his mind. The whole community representative thing is as ill adviced as the 51st decision, I hope I am wrong but I doubt it. The root of the problem is that Vince isn't answerable to anyone, which will not change with the solution presented. And that is ultimately why this thread had to be here, infront of everyone, Vince and FSE need to have a rude awakening about the fact that they are a business, and as a business they are answerable to the customers who ultimately pay their salary.
For your last point, don't you think that the rash choice was to do as they did in the 51st case, don't you think the rash choice was to community ban Daniel, Hatake and Biggun, don't you think it was a rash choice to follow them to a forum that they previously have severed all ties with.
As a side note, you are also breaking the secrecy rule for the inter-admin forum, something I have caught alot of flak from.
If we, the NW community, are going to have any structure and relation left, this EU vs NA stuff needs to stop. We are one community. We come from across the world, from many backgrounds, but we all share the same interest: the Napoleonic Wars. That is why we're here. We are not here to bandy words and argue about who's better, because no one is better than anyone else. Sure, there may be those who are annoying, trollish, etc. etc. but if we become elitist and feel superior towards them, we make ourselves no better than they are. Play the game; enjoy each other's company; it really is an amazing thing that we can come together from such a distance, and that is what we should treasure and keep in our minds.
E pluribus unum.
This would be the right decision and therefore wont happen ;-) haha. We are stuck in a difficult position where you will get these "Community Representatives" based on who is popular and who the admin team think will calm down the situation but meh im a cynic :P what we also have to take into account is that a large percentage of players in the community (it appears to me at least - please correct me if I'm wrong hehe) tend to be the kind that like their pseudo-elitism in that to their enjoyment of the game its important for them to feel that their regiment is better than another regiment etc etc which is fair enough if that's what they enjoy :) , and we are at risk of potentially replacing an admin team which didn't behave professionally as a business should with as you say a bunch of "elitist" players who will admin to what they "see" to be wrong etc etc.
This would be the right decision and therefore wont happen ;-) haha. We are stuck in a difficult position where you will get these "Community Representatives" based on who is popular and who the admin team think will calm down the situation but meh im a cynic :P what we also have to take into account is that a large percentage of players in the community (it appears to me at least - please correct me if I'm wrong hehe) tend to be the kind that like their pseudo-elitism in that to their enjoyment of the game its important for them to feel that their regiment is better than another regiment etc etc which is fair enough if that's what they enjoy :) , and we are at risk of potentially replacing an admin team which didn't behave professionally as a business should with as you say a bunch of "elitist" players who will admin to what they "see" to be wrong etc etc.
Apart from each having their one vote as community members, FSE and its support staff have no say in this. Each community member has equal say. How could we possibly appoint anyone in this situation? This is quite possibly the least touched of any policy ever. It is entirely up to the community to vote in those they think can handle the position.
It could have been avoided.
I agree that the drama could only have been postponed. But do you think that if the admins were allowed to release their new policies without Hekko's intervention, the fallout would be as massive as this? Hekko started something more destructive than any of us could have imagined, including him. This rift is now wider than it would have been, and we are all suffering for it.It could have been avoided.
I disagree, I coud only have been postponed. It is better this way, matter like this shouldn't be kept silent
I agree that the drama could only have been postponed. But do you think that if the admins were allowed to release their new policies without Hekko's intervention, the fallout would be as massive as this? Hekko started something more destructive than any of us could have imagined, including him. This rift is now wider than it would have been, and we are all suffering for it.It could have been avoided.
I disagree, I coud only have been postponed. It is better this way, matter like this shouldn't be kept silent
I agree that the drama could only have been postponed. But do you think that if the admins were allowed to release their new policies without Hekko's intervention, the fallout would be as massive as this? Hekko started something more destructive than any of us could have imagined, including him. This rift is now wider than it would have been, and we are all suffering for it.It could have been avoided.
I disagree, I coud only have been postponed. It is better this way, matter like this shouldn't be kept silent
I don't think this could have been avoided, or even should have been avoided. A wakeup call was needed, yes, I think we can all agree on that, but I would even go as far as to say that the scale and extremity of the incident shows just how fed up the community was. Nobody can ever hope to suppress feelings like that for such a long period of time, and I think that if this hadn't happened the way it did this time, it would have happened later on a far greater scale. People in the community desperately needed to blow off steam, get their grievances out however they felt they needed to, and vent.I agree that the drama could only have been postponed. But do you think that if the admins were allowed to release their new policies without Hekko's intervention, the fallout would be as massive as this? Hekko started something more destructive than any of us could have imagined, including him. This rift is now wider than it would have been, and we are all suffering for it.It could have been avoided.
I disagree, I coud only have been postponed. It is better this way, matter like this shouldn't be kept silent
He means it was uncalled for because FSE where in the process of reforms before Hekko's post, as he was well aware off. Which makes the situation worse.We all know these reforms are just there to appease the community, after a month they will be thrown away and the iron fist restored.
He means it was uncalled for because FSE where in the process of reforms before Hekko's post, as he was well aware off. Which makes the situation worse.No it doesn't. Nobody would have been happy with them, because far, far more is needed than a set of reforms put form by the devs when they didn't have much pressure on them to do so.
Well this Community Representative was one policy however Hekko forced their hand so how could they consult the different parties that could help develop the idea when people where spamming for blood? I can't recall anyone suggesting this idea in that rage thread, because there were none. To be frank I am not totally happy with this undeveloped version of it because it is open to abuse from the community and we all know how much people love le drama. Corrie is so boring these days so you know..Why did you expect suggestions in a thread like that? Like I said before, that thread was the storm, and the results were the rebuilding - the threads that the devs posted for the community rep and stuff. Both of these were needed.
Come back and say that when you can see the future.He means it was uncalled for because FSE where in the process of reforms before Hekko's post, as he was well aware off. Which makes the situation worse.We all know these reforms are just there to appease the community, after a month they will be thrown away and the iron fist restored.
Yet another ultimatum. I ask you: how do you know nobody would be happy with them? Nobody can see these things in full clarity. And your statement is very, very self-contradicting, because aren't those sets of reforms what the community wanted in the first place?He means it was uncalled for because FSE where in the process of reforms before Hekko's post, as he was well aware off. Which makes the situation worse.No it doesn't. Nobody would have been happy with them, because far, far more is needed than a set of reforms put form by the devs when they didn't have much pressure on them to do so.
I'll come back in a month or so and say I told you so.Come back and say that when you can see the future.He means it was uncalled for because FSE where in the process of reforms before Hekko's post, as he was well aware off. Which makes the situation worse.We all know these reforms are just there to appease the community, after a month they will be thrown away and the iron fist restored.Yet another ultimatum. I ask you: how do you know nobody would be happy with them? Nobody can see these things in full clarity. And your statement is very, very self-contradicting, because aren't those sets of reforms what the community wanted in the first place?He means it was uncalled for because FSE where in the process of reforms before Hekko's post, as he was well aware off. Which makes the situation worse.No it doesn't. Nobody would have been happy with them, because far, far more is needed than a set of reforms put form by the devs when they didn't have much pressure on them to do so.
Pressure is an unwelcome thing, as it rushes choices and decisions, and deals damage to the quality of those decisions, because they are forced, and therefore don't have the opportunity ot be well thought out and carefully planned.
This community is depriving me of my daily joy.Lately, there has not been much reason to be joyful, which is the really sad thing about this situation. But I'm slowly gaining it back. I feel that there is a new rising on the horizon.
Well this Community Representative was one policy however Hekko forced their hand so how could they consult the different parties that could help develop the idea when people where spamming for blood? I can't recall anyone suggesting this idea in that rage thread, because there were none. To be frank I am not totally happy with this undeveloped version of it because it is open to abuse from the community and we all know how much people love le drama. Corrie is so boring these days so you know..Why did you expect suggestions in a thread like that? Like I said before, that thread was the storm, and the results were the rebuilding - the threads that the devs posted for the community rep and stuff. Both of these were needed.
This community is depriving me of my daily joy.Lately, there has not been much reason to be joyful, which is the really sad thing about this situation. But I'm slowly gaining it back. I feel that there is a new rising on the horizon.
Plus, the MM event tonight has stoked me to HIGH HELL!! ;D
Well this Community Representative was one policy however Hekko forced their hand so how could they consult the different parties that could help develop the idea when people where spamming for blood? I can't recall anyone suggesting this idea in that rage thread, because there were none. To be frank I am not totally happy with this undeveloped version of it because it is open to abuse from the community and we all know how much people love le drama. Corrie is so boring these days so you know..Why did you expect suggestions in a thread like that? Like I said before, that thread was the storm, and the results were the rebuilding - the threads that the devs posted for the community rep and stuff. Both of these were needed.
Well I would expect solutions. Running around with your hands in the air screaming helps nothing. My point being these things where already in the development stage and now have been rushed out, unfinished and therefore don't blame them if issues arise around them. We could have had so many good changes but alas, this rushed it and something rushed is usually never as good as something well thought out and planned.
Come back and say that when you can see the future.He means it was uncalled for because FSE where in the process of reforms before Hekko's post, as he was well aware off. Which makes the situation worse.We all know these reforms are just there to appease the community, after a month they will be thrown away and the iron fist restored.Yet another ultimatum. I ask you: how do you know nobody would be happy with them? Nobody can see these things in full clarity. And your statement is very, very self-contradicting, because aren't those sets of reforms what the community wanted in the first place?He means it was uncalled for because FSE where in the process of reforms before Hekko's post, as he was well aware off. Which makes the situation worse.No it doesn't. Nobody would have been happy with them, because far, far more is needed than a set of reforms put form by the devs when they didn't have much pressure on them to do so.
Pressure is an unwelcome thing, as it rushes choices and decisions, and deals damage to the quality of those decisions, because they are forced, and therefore don't have the opportunity ot be well thought out and carefully planned.
The community isn't a single entity. I don't think the representative system will work whatsoever, and I have many people who share my view. There are probably people who think it will work, and good for the, but I disagree. This isn't a matter of predicting the future. You always bring that up in arguments, and it really has nothing to do with what I'm saying. I'm not saying I know for sure that the resolutions they would have proposed before this incident would have been unsatisfactory, but they had no reason to believe that anyone would openly oppose them, and anyone who would oppose them could be silenced easily (See: Daniel, Craig, etc.).
Edit - I screwed that quote up good lol
Why am I starting to dislike you? Is it the blinded replies of "LOOK AT ME FSE, GIEF ME POWAH, I BE UR SUPORTA". I just can't put my finger on where these assumptions are coming from. I mean, I did read your previous posts and they always seem to be so 'pro-fse', almost as if you are their newly hired salesman.The only thing that matters to me in this instant is that your responses mean nothing to me, and to countless others who are supporters of this community, because you have no respect for it. Blatant trolling and instigatory messages get nobody anywhere and only create the things the community want to see gone: malcontent, hostility, and drama.
Vince really ought to be buying you laxatives, I mean it must be hard to continuously lay brown brick after brown brick.
Why am I starting to dislike you? Is it the blinded replies of "LOOK AT ME FSE, GIEF ME POWAH, I BE UR SUPORTA". I just can't put my finger on where these assumptions are coming from. I mean, I did read your previous posts and they always seem to be so 'pro-fse', almost as if you are their newly hired salesman.The only thing that matters to me in this instant is that your responses mean nothing to me, and to countless others who are supporters of this community, because you have no respect for it. Blatant trolling and instigatory messages get nobody anywhere and only create the things the community want to see gone: malcontent, hostility, and drama.
Vince really ought to be buying you laxatives, I mean it must be hard to continuously lay brown brick after brown brick.
Maybe I am sucking up to the administration. Maybe I'm not. In the end it really doesn't matter, as all either shows is that I care. How can I make a difference in the community if I do not have the privileges I need to do so? I consider myself a dedicated member of this community, for 2 years, and have worked to make it a friendly place for people of the same interests. I have risen in status, and somehow survive to wish to rise higher, like those like MaHud, Refleax, Deo, and all those others who think of this community as a source of joy.
I really couldn't care less that you don't like me. Nobody can like everybody. You have your opinion, and I have mine, and there is no reason why you shouldn't share it and support it. But I swear to you, if you continue what you are doing now, you will find yourself done and gone from these forums, for there is nothing worse than a person whose sole purpose is to troll.
This thread has been polluted enough. I will leave you to your own devices, Sid, and I hope that you will make the right decisions as a member of this community.
I think that, as an advisory board, the comm reps will accomplish what is planned for them easily just by being open in discussion.
The server changes will be a bit more piecemeal than I or Refleax had planned, but overall I think that we will resume normal functions after a couple weeks.
The community isn't a single entity. I don't think the representative system will work whatsoever, and I have many people who share my view. There are probably people who think it will work, and good for the, but I disagree. This isn't a matter of predicting the future. You always bring that up in arguments, and it really has nothing to do with what I'm saying. I'm not saying I know for sure that the resolutions they would have proposed before this incident would have been unsatisfactory, but they had no reason to believe that anyone would openly oppose them, and anyone who would oppose them could be silenced easily (See: Daniel, Craig, etc.).
Edit - I screwed that quote up good lol
I agree, FSE really have proved to share the diplomacy skill of this: [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cg_8knBHEyw[/youtube]
Why am I starting to dislike you? Is it the blinded replies of "LOOK AT ME FSE, GIEF ME POWAH, I BE UR SUPORTA". I just can't put my finger on where these assumptions are coming from. I mean, I did read your previous posts and they always seem to be so 'pro-fse', almost as if you are their newly hired salesman.The only thing that matters to me in this instant is that your responses mean nothing to me, and to countless others who are supporters of this community, because you have no respect for it.
Vince really ought to be buying you laxatives, I mean it must be hard to continuously lay brown brick after brown brick.
Why am I starting to dislike you? Is it the blinded replies of "LOOK AT ME FSE, GIEF ME POWAH, I BE UR SUPORTA". I just can't put my finger on where these assumptions are coming from. I mean, I did read your previous posts and they always seem to be so 'pro-fse', almost as if you are their newly hired salesman.
Vince really ought to be buying you laxatives, I mean it must be hard to continuously lay brown brick after brown brick.
Maybe I am sucking up to the administration.
I have risen in status, and somehow survive to wish to rise higher,
Am I the only one who doesn't care about the Damn regiments, I care more about the admins and think we should Help FSE to create a new way of Choosing admins, My idea is that they should Open a thread to the community asking their opinion on the person Applying and they would then decide Yes or no, Also I think we should Call a vote on the current admins and see the Community's opinion on whether or not they should Keep their Administrative Powers. Finally there should be a Place on the Forums where people Can complain about specific admins if they feel they have been Mistreated.All very good points!
Am I the only one who doesn't care about the Damn regiments, I care more about the admins and think we should Help FSE to create a new way of Choosing admins, My idea is that they should Open a thread to the community asking their opinion on the person Applying and they would then decide Yes or no, Also I think we should Call a vote on the current admins and see the Community's opinion on whether or not they should Keep their Administrative Powers. Finally there should be a Place on the Forums where people Can complain about specific admins if they feel they have been Mistreated.All very good points!
To be fair... The NA portion has never really been part of the community. It's (for the most part, sorry for the decent guys im about to insult, you know who you are) a rag tag collection, a motley band of trolls and people who act aloof and as if they are on another level. Ranging from your casual racist to the suipoer serious double line guys who flame and consider everyone who doesn't like to play in their stange style beneath them.
And no, i play alot of games with Americans, i like them. This is just the NW "damed community".
To be fair... The NA portion has never really been part of the community. It's (for the most part, sorry for the decent guys im about to insult, you know who you are) a rag tag collection, a motley band of trolls and people who act aloof and as if they are on another level. Ranging from your casual racist to the suipoer serious double line guys who flame and consider everyone who doesn't like to play in their stange style beneath them.
And no, i play alot of games with Americans, i like them. This is just the NW "damed community".
I know that this post is a few pages back, but I'd just like to say how offended I am. So just because I'm on the other side of the pond, I can make generalizations and say that because I play games only with Euro's I know, then I can be basically racist and claim the rest of the EU guys are trolls and nitwits who are so conceited that they're drunk with imaginary power.
You're an asshat.
And if you read my apology i will take that back :)Jesus you're <snip>. Just stop with your shit.
And if you read my apology i will take that back :)Jesus you're <snip>. Just stop with your shit.
And if you read my apology i will take that back :)Jesus you're fucking retarded. Just stop with your shit.
Lol..... Why, someone didn't actually read what i said and flipped out about some implied insult. <snip> Well done.
And if you read my apology i will take that back :)Jesus you're <snip>. Just stop with your shit.
Lol, I read exactly what you said actually. Nice job jumping to conclusions though - you seem to be good at it.And if you read my apology i will take that back :)Jesus you're <snip>. Just stop with your shit.
Lol..... Why, someone didn't actually read what i said and flipped out about some implied insult <snip> . Well done.
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You two obviously don't know what it means when a moderator tells you to take your dispute into PMs.SpoilerAnd if you read my apology i will take that back :)Jesus you're <snip>. Just stop with your shit.
Lol..... Why, someone didn't actually read what i said and flipped out about some implied insult <snip> . Well done.<snip>Lol, I read exactly what you said actually. Nice job jumping to conclusions though - you seem to be good at it.[close]
I suggest you learn quickly.
You two obviously don't know what it means when a moderator tells you to take your dispute into PMs.
I suggest you learn quickly.
Your "dispute" with Spearing is not what we're talking about, I hope you recognize that.
Or he is speaking his mind like you are.
Or do you believe that only you are capable of expressing your own opinion? ::)
You two obviously don't know what it means when a moderator tells you to take your dispute into PMs.
I suggest you learn quickly.
I didn't know you were a forum moderator.
Or he is speaking his mind like you are.
Or do you believe that only you are capable of expressing your own opinion? ::)
Unfortunately, no, we're not saying that. What is being said is the sheer utter disbelief on how someone can be so pro-fse, it just isn't logic. He isn't just pro-FSE, he would build a shrine in his back garden and it truly would last for a thousand years.
Or he is speaking his mind like you are.
Or do you believe that only you are capable of expressing your own opinion? ::)
Unfortunately, no, we're not saying that. What is being said is the sheer utter disbelief on how someone can be so pro-fse, it just isn't logic. He isn't just pro-FSE, he would build a shrine in his back garden and it truly would last for a thousand years.
Even if this is true, it shouldnt be a problem. I personally am not full pro-fse but i am not full anti-fse either. If he has another opinion then you have, you should let him be. He isnt a supporting communists, the kkk or facism. He is merely a guy who happends to play the same game as you and who happends to not share your opinion. If he wants to be a shire, why would it bother you? Do what you do with most people you dont like, ignore and carry on.
Or he is speaking his mind like you are.
Or do you believe that only you are capable of expressing your own opinion? ::)
Unfortunately, no, we're not saying that. What is being said is the sheer utter disbelief on how someone can be so pro-fse, it just isn't logic. He isn't just pro-FSE, he would build a shrine in his back garden and it truly would last for a thousand years.
Even if this is true, it shouldnt be a problem. I personally am not full pro-fse but i am not full anti-fse either. If he has another opinion then you have, you should let him be. He isnt a supporting communists, the kkk or facism. He is merely a guy who happends to play the same game as you and who happends to not share your opinion. If he wants to be a shire, why would it bother you? Do what you do with most people you dont like, ignore and carry on.
He may as well be supporting communism, for that is what their locking policy could be likened to.
Also, to answer your question it doesn't bother me if he wants to have a nose dark like the night.
Or he is speaking his mind like you are.
Or do you believe that only you are capable of expressing your own opinion? ::)
Unfortunately, no, we're not saying that. What is being said is the sheer utter disbelief on how someone can be so pro-fse, it just isn't logic. He isn't just pro-FSE, he would build a shrine in his back garden and it truly would last for a thousand years.
Even if this is true, it shouldnt be a problem. I personally am not full pro-fse but i am not full anti-fse either. If he has another opinion then you have, you should let him be. He isnt a supporting communists, the kkk or facism. He is merely a guy who happends to play the same game as you and who happends to not share your opinion. If he wants to be a shire, why would it bother you? Do what you do with most people you dont like, ignore and carry on.
He may as well be supporting communism, for that is what their locking policy could be likened to.
Also, to answer your question it doesn't bother me if he wants to have a nose dark like the night.
So let me get this straight. By locking all these treads. ( something that hasnt happend since the so called "revolution" ) , we get a system where everybody is equel and everyone gets an equel part of resources? Where can i sign up?
" for absolutely no reason. "
In other words, I don't think that you are jealous, but you could be seen as one by a random person.
In any case, what do you want? You post a lot, but it's hard to see what you want to achieve. I also asked Hekko this before he left, but he didnt respond.
I suppose that some people just want to see the world burn.
Some people just want to see the world burn.
I'm not sure what you mean? I don't see how that can be viewed as jealous, but anywaySpoilerI'm not.[close]
I have no intention of "watching the world burn." I asked Joris to post this on Hekko's thread on the night he created it, which he did.
The problem is that our criticisms are valid, but we need to state what we want changed. I was community banned for speaking up against the admins
along with daniel and biggun. I don't think that all the FSE team do an incompotent job, for instance I think Hancock does a great job with the bans and unbans
and acts in a professional manner about such things. Here are a few things that I and I hope most of the community want.
- Re-evaluate your management of the community, and how people are watched/moderated/banned. (From what I have seen and heard, this is being done as we speak)
- Re-consider people who were given admin who may not be up to the task. (I have requested this in the admin board, and I think they may actually do it, but not right now)
- Stop your blatant favourtisim and biased, to uphold the professionalism of FSE as a company. (FSE team is take a huge step backwards, which should greatly help this)
- Start treating your community like people you want to keep for the sake of your new game (If they wanted to keep everyone, they wouldn't have community banned people, instead they would have rolled over and surrendered to any demands made by the community)
- Give up on your idea of trying to keep the 51st name, honestly it's offensive to other regiments who have contributed just as much. (I do not believe it was their intention, I do not believe this because of things I saw on IRC. The public channel of IRC btw)
- Give community managers to completely Neutral memebrs of the community, who wont have as little bias as possible. (I hardly think that a manager role should be fullfilled by anyone else but the ones appointed by FSE.)
- The developers apologise for how they have been running the community recently, and myself, Daniel, Biggun, Cherry and others are unbanned. (They did apologise, but they seem to disagree with Biggun and Daniel atleast. Though they may reconsider as I have seen Daniel make some good posts lately)
Some of them have been done, some of them haven't. It was something i wrote quickly in an attempt to have something to aim for instead of people just jumping on the "revolution" bandwagon. Things could be added or changed to it. But even if I didn't have any solutions as of yet, It's easier to defend the status quo than to criticize it, regardless of providing a solution, the first step is acknowledging the problem. But why am I even bothering trying to justify myself to you, when as I have previously said you did so well out of the FSE's decision to move from taleworlds, you're now a moderator so they raised you to a significant position even in-directly if they didn't choose you to do it. Hekko had plenty of ideas.
(I moderate the TW NW boards because I like to help people. As you can see with my countless of posts at the support section. I don't moderate it because it "advances" me in anyway. Which it actually does not at all, if anything my "status" decreased by becoming a mod for the NW board. The rest of the TW forumites hold no love for NW and their people and yes some also choose to show their hatred or dislike towards me.
/Enddebate before this gets locked by Heathens.
Or he is speaking his mind like you are.
Or do you believe that only you are capable of expressing your own opinion? ::)
Unfortunately, no, we're not saying that. What is being said is the sheer utter disbelief on how someone can be so pro-fse, it just isn't logic. He isn't just pro-FSE, he would build a shrine in his back garden and it truly would last for a thousand years.
Even if this is true, it shouldnt be a problem. I personally am not full pro-fse but i am not full anti-fse either. If he has another opinion then you have, you should let him be. He isnt a supporting communists, the kkk or facism. He is merely a guy who happends to play the same game as you and who happends to not share your opinion. If he wants to be a shire, why would it bother you? Do what you do with most people you dont like, ignore and carry on.
He may as well be supporting communism, for that is what their locking policy could be likened to.
Also, to answer your question it doesn't bother me if he wants to have a nose dark like the night.
So let me get this straight. By locking all these treads. ( something that hasnt happend since the so called "revolution" ) , we get a system where everybody is equel and everyone gets an equel part of resources? Where can i sign up?
I was referring to the more darker side of communism, the oppression and not the equal rights (equal poverty) which gets distributed.
SpoilerOr he is speaking his mind like you are.
Or do you believe that only you are capable of expressing your own opinion? ::)
Unfortunately, no, we're not saying that. What is being said is the sheer utter disbelief on how someone can be so pro-fse, it just isn't logic. He isn't just pro-FSE, he would build a shrine in his back garden and it truly would last for a thousand years.
Even if this is true, it shouldnt be a problem. I personally am not full pro-fse but i am not full anti-fse either. If he has another opinion then you have, you should let him be. He isnt a supporting communists, the kkk or facism. He is merely a guy who happends to play the same game as you and who happends to not share your opinion. If he wants to be a shire, why would it bother you? Do what you do with most people you dont like, ignore and carry on.
He may as well be supporting communism, for that is what their locking policy could be likened to.
Also, to answer your question it doesn't bother me if he wants to have a nose dark like the night.
So let me get this straight. By locking all these treads. ( something that hasnt happend since the so called "revolution" ) , we get a system where everybody is equel and everyone gets an equel part of resources? Where can i sign up?
I was referring to the more darker side of communism, the oppression and not the equal rights (equal poverty) which gets distributed.[close]
Better Dead than Red! :P hehe
"It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried."
Sir Winston Churchill
British politician (1874 - 1965)
"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings. The inherent virtue of Socialism is the equal sharing of miseries."
Winston Churchill
"Demobilisation", speech in the House of Commons (22/10/1945)
Sorry to go off topic but I thought I would imbue some British Army Wodan Wisdom rant on here as it seemed to fit well xD
SpoilerOr he is speaking his mind like you are.
Or do you believe that only you are capable of expressing your own opinion? ::)
Unfortunately, no, we're not saying that. What is being said is the sheer utter disbelief on how someone can be so pro-fse, it just isn't logic. He isn't just pro-FSE, he would build a shrine in his back garden and it truly would last for a thousand years.
Even if this is true, it shouldnt be a problem. I personally am not full pro-fse but i am not full anti-fse either. If he has another opinion then you have, you should let him be. He isnt a supporting communists, the kkk or facism. He is merely a guy who happends to play the same game as you and who happends to not share your opinion. If he wants to be a shire, why would it bother you? Do what you do with most people you dont like, ignore and carry on.
He may as well be supporting communism, for that is what their locking policy could be likened to.
Also, to answer your question it doesn't bother me if he wants to have a nose dark like the night.
So let me get this straight. By locking all these treads. ( something that hasnt happend since the so called "revolution" ) , we get a system where everybody is equel and everyone gets an equel part of resources? Where can i sign up?
I was referring to the more darker side of communism, the oppression and not the equal rights (equal poverty) which gets distributed.[close]
Better Dead than Red! :P hehe
"It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried."
Sir Winston Churchill
British politician (1874 - 1965)
"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings. The inherent virtue of Socialism is the equal sharing of miseries."
Winston Churchill
"Demobilisation", speech in the House of Commons (22/10/1945)
Sorry to go off topic but I thought I would imbue some British Army Wodan Wisdom rant on here as it seemed to fit well xD
... You do realise both of these are quotes from Churchill, altough you forgot the sir with the second quote. Anyway care on with this discussioin.
Good Point Sir I will rectify that now hehe. But yeah if this does contribute to the discussion, my point is that as Robin_Hood pointed out (his reply #131 on: January 29, 2013, 10:23:20 pm this thread) we have no actual say to on anything about what FSE does other than leaving these forums. But we should at least try to make the community reps work as its a chance of getting at least some minor reforms through even if they are none that actually matter hehe. I see Robin's been muted and all now...what a surprise :P
In my opinion people need to grow up and stop arguing over stuff like this.And FSE need to get some proper admins who aren't complete and utter trolls.
It doesn't help when people go around making things worse by feeding the trolls.
do to honest I don't think many people will quit the community because of the drama or atleast not enough to make a difference one way or the other. When the first trailers come out and the beta nears release everybody and their mother will donate to get into it.
do to honest I don't think many people will quit the community because of the drama or atleast not enough to make a difference one way or the other. When the first trailers come out and the beta nears release everybody and their mother will donate to get into it.
And please explain to me how donating when the beta is already nearly out will benefit the game? If you donate after all the core features are done in the game then what is your money going towards? marketing I suppose. Still regardless I'd expect that a company should get a flood of donations at the start (more than 9%) with which the company should build the core aspects of the game, with 9% of the donations they aren't going to be able to add as much as they'd like to are they. Maybe they will have to call off the game due to lack of donations, in which case Diplex if you're reading this, I'd get some jewish lawyers involved to get your money back.
The beta is nearly out?
do to honest I don't think many people will quit the community because of the drama or atleast not enough to make a difference one way or the other. When the first trailers come out and the beta nears release everybody and their mother will donate to get into it.
do to honest I don't think many people will quit the community because of the drama or atleast not enough to make a difference one way or the other. When the first trailers come out and the beta nears release everybody and their mother will donate to get into it.
And please explain to me how donating when the beta is already nearly out will benefit the game? If you donate after all the core features are done in the game then what is your money going towards? marketing I suppose. Still regardless I'd expect that a company should get a flood of donations at the start (more than 9%) with which the company should build the core aspects of the game, with 9% of the donations they aren't going to be able to add as much as they'd like to are they. Maybe they will have to call off the game due to lack of donations, in which case Diplex if you're reading this, I'd get some jewish lawyers involved to get your money back.
I'm referring to his point about everyone donating when beta is available. Which will be after all the core features (what will make or break the game) will probably be done.
In my opinion people need to grow up and stop arguing over stuff like this.And FSE need to get some proper admins who aren't complete and utter trolls.
It doesn't help when people go around making things worse by feeding the trolls.
And The FSE people should concentrate on making good games instead of giving admin positions to their friends. Thats where it went down the drain. Thats should be the job of the head admin.
In my opinion people need to grow up and stop arguing over stuff like this.And FSE need to get some proper admins who aren't complete and utter trolls.
It doesn't help when people go around making things worse by feeding the trolls.
And The FSE people should concentrate on making good games instead of giving admin positions to their friends. Thats where it went down the drain. Thats should be the job of the head admin.
Ironic, but please continue the raving :)
Ah, was wishful thinking on my side that made me read it wrong. :-[The beta is nearly out?do to honest I don't think many people will quit the community because of the drama or atleast not enough to make a difference one way or the other. When the first trailers come out and the beta nears release everybody and their mother will donate to get into it.
Reading makes everyone's life easier.
If we, the NW community, are going to have any structure and relation left, this EU vs NA stuff needs to stop. We are one community. We come from across the world, from many backgrounds, but we all share the same interest: the Napoleonic Wars. That is why we're here. We are not here to bandy words and argue about who's better, because no one is better than anyone else. Sure, there may be those who are annoying, trollish, etc. etc. but if we become elitist and feel superior towards them, we make ourselves no better than they are. Play the game; enjoy each other's company; it really is an amazing thing that we can come together from such a distance, and that is what we should treasure and keep in our minds.
E pluribus unum.
In my opinion people need to grow up and stop arguing over stuff like this.And FSE need to get some proper admins who aren't complete and utter trolls.
It doesn't help when people go around making things worse by feeding the trolls.
And The FSE people should concentrate on making good games instead of giving admin positions to their friends. Thats where it went down the drain. Thats should be the job of the head admin.
Ironic, but please continue the raving :)
The head admin should give admin positions to his friends?Ah, was wishful thinking on my side that made me read it wrong. :-[The beta is nearly out?do to honest I don't think many people will quit the community because of the drama or atleast not enough to make a difference one way or the other. When the first trailers come out and the beta nears release everybody and their mother will donate to get into it.
Reading makes everyone's life easier.
Eh?
Where did I say he did?
You do realise that by making that assumption, it is only more likley that it is actually true?
Got that from playing werewolf.
There is a question mark, I was questioning what the guy suggested.
trolls ruin everything and their not even that funny
So you Tell me ppl betwen 12-16 forum whores going to chose what to do with this gr8 game FSE you just fucked up
:o