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Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
« Reply #60 on: April 03, 2019, 06:15:46 am »
lol.

so claiming what other's think based upon the evidence they believed was credible in their minds upon submission and empirical observation amongst themselves that drove them to find said evidence, means it's a fact to highlight it as "salt."

it's like you're psychic and can automatically read our minds.

if we were salty, we would know about it within ourselves.

but throughout the entire incident our underlying motive was to find the truth, we believed we did, why we submitted what we believed was for the public to see.

but i guess that can be scrutinized very much and labeled as nothing other than "salt."

it's like as if any attempt we make is shot down regardless, utterly, this has not been the first time matt has been accused, the 4th time to be exact.

in my personal opinion, im not so sure how a video would prove a person of hacking with the "full package contents" as i have just learned all of these terms/hacks existed for warband

it's something no one has really heard of or seen before, publicly.

many just would never know how to tell, and that doubt is what would make that hypothetical video obsolete, in our minds it seemed much more incriminating to ask the direct source for info, rather than make a video being at high risk ( in our minds) of being scrutinized and taken with disbelief.

i cant speak for movement, but this is my personal opinion on all of this

im sure all of you can put together what i think about matt through all of this

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ive probably typed 5+ essays out of this entire fiasco

My god, I'm actually concerned for your reading comprehension and general level of intelligence.

"If you're going to accuse someone of hacking, at least bring the only real credible evidence, a video. Otherwise, it just looks like salt." <- That's the statement you're so hung up on. 

This was a general statement, not directed at anyone, but applicable to everyone (if I'm being honest, if I had anyone in mind when making that statement, it was Bill). Stating that if someone (anyone) is going to accuse some else of hacking, they should provide solid evidence. Otherwise, their accusation just looks like them being salty. That's just a fact of how their accusation will be perceived. I literally already explained this in another post, which just makes this worse.

Now, instead of doing your best impression of a smart man like you did above, actually use your brain, take in what I'm saying and shut the fuck up. Have some self awareness and realize how  stupid you're making yourself look.

That's enough fse for me tonight, the cringe is just too much.
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Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
« Reply #61 on: April 03, 2019, 06:21:08 am »
After seeing all the evidence I agree that there is nothing that 100% incriminates MATT and I apologize to MATT for being adamantly against him the other day. MATT, I am sorry.

However Godfreid, saying that nothing can ever be proven also means that nothing can be disproven either. Due to no concrete evidence I agree that he is probably clean, or at least we have no way of knowing for sure so we have to assume "innocent until proven guilty."

Also you said yourself that credibility should weigh into the process. I agree which is why a lot of people were siding against MATT because of his past with hacks. People were also suspicious as to why the same person kept having the "hacks argument" raised, when people who had previously hacked did not keep getting accusations, I.E. Vetro. Vetro has been clean since that one incident and not been accused since.

That being said, the only hack I have seen used(to my knowledge) is unblockable, and it was just some random name(probably an alias) that hopped on NA gfing a long time ago. That was relatively easy to spot but I don't know about any others and how easy they are to 100% spot on video.



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Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
« Reply #62 on: April 03, 2019, 06:22:57 am »
I can't be bothered with reading any of this but it's virtually impossible to prove anyone's cheating (unless MAYBE it's with certain POV recordings) in terms of autoblock or whatever, enjoy.

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Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
« Reply #63 on: April 03, 2019, 06:23:17 am »
I got ip banned from TKC...Looks like someone didn't like me snooping
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Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
« Reply #64 on: April 03, 2019, 06:30:01 am »
There has never been a person in NW who has become a competitive top player through the use of hacks. The only time I've ever seen people hack they're either randoms, trolling, or from native (lul).
Sounds like Suns + whoever in involved in framing Matt is just really salty that he's a good player (maybe a better player even?)
If Matt was more humble/didn't brag about his skill nobody would have any problems with him, the accusers are just coming from a personal level of offense.

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Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
« Reply #65 on: April 03, 2019, 06:37:33 am »
There has never been a person in NW who has become a competitive top player through the use of hacks. The only time I've ever seen people hack they're either randoms, trolling, or from native (lul).
Sounds like Suns + whoever in involved in framing Matt is just really salty that he's a good player (maybe a better player even?)
If Matt was more humble/didn't brag about his skill nobody would have any problems with him, the accusers are just coming from a personal level of offense.
It's not really framing when the evidence comes from the guy who sold the hacks. In my post he gave me proof that it was "Matt" but it's difficult to say it really is Matt or someone who used the name. We don't have time stamps so we don't know when the purchase was made. Mr.Frank is also a super sketchy guy so I was doubtful of him.


In the end there is no REAL IN-GAME proof of matt's hacking. I understand them wanting to expose a hacker but in the end there wasn't enough real proof.

That's all I have to say about that.
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Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
« Reply #66 on: April 03, 2019, 07:25:17 am »
I can't be bothered with reading any of this but it's virtually impossible to prove anyone's cheating (unless MAYBE it's with certain POV recordings) in terms of autoblock or whatever, enjoy.

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Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
« Reply #67 on: April 03, 2019, 07:37:47 am »
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Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
« Reply #68 on: April 03, 2019, 07:53:53 am »
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lol.

so claiming what other's think based upon the evidence they believed was credible in their minds upon submission and empirical observation amongst themselves that drove them to find said evidence, means it's a fact to highlight it as "salt."

it's like you're psychic and can automatically read our minds.

if we were salty, we would know about it within ourselves.

but throughout the entire incident our underlying motive was to find the truth, we believed we did, why we submitted what we believed was for the public to see.

but i guess that can be scrutinized very much and labeled as nothing other than "salt."

it's like as if any attempt we make is shot down regardless, utterly, this has not been the first time matt has been accused, the 4th time to be exact.

in my personal opinion, im not so sure how a video would prove a person of hacking with the "full package contents" as i have just learned all of these terms/hacks existed for warband

it's something no one has really heard of or seen before, publicly.

many just would never know how to tell, and that doubt is what would make that hypothetical video obsolete, in our minds it seemed much more incriminating to ask the direct source for info, rather than make a video being at high risk ( in our minds) of being scrutinized and taken with disbelief.

i cant speak for movement, but this is my personal opinion on all of this

im sure all of you can put together what i think about matt through all of this

_________________________________________________________________________________

ive probably typed 5+ essays out of this entire fiasco

My god, I'm actually concerned for your reading comprehension and general level of intelligence.

"If you're going to accuse someone of hacking, at least bring the only real credible evidence, a video. Otherwise, it just looks like salt." <- That's the statement you're so hung up on. 

This was a general statement, not directed at anyone, but applicable to everyone (if I'm being honest, if I had anyone in mind when making that statement, it was Bill). Stating that if someone (anyone) is going to accuse some else of hacking, they should provide solid evidence. Otherwise, their accusation just looks like them being salty. That's just a fact of how their accusation will be perceived. I literally already explained this in another post, which just makes this worse.

Now, instead of doing your best impression of a smart man like you did above, actually use your brain, take in what I'm saying and shut the fuck up. Have some self awareness and realize how  stupid you're making yourself look.

That's enough fse for me tonight, the cringe is just too much.
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haha, it's like you come around once again, as i said before you are being stubborn and reiterating the same point without taking into account much of what i've reiterated through everything

i disagreed with your idea hacks could be proven through video footage and gave several points on it, repeating myself several times why

i would say the most valid point was how new these hacks are to the community, there was not much knowledge on it prior (i did not know altering hitboxes/altering stab speed existed)

if the community has little to no knowledge of certain hacks, there would be doubt they even exist as they are unknown

with that, a video exposing, ill categorize them as "unknown/lesser known hacks," would not be sufficient as the doubt whether the hacks even exist remains

if there's doubt, there is not much you can really do, it will not look convincing to the community

that's why its much simpler (easier, in our minds) to get information on it from the direct source or distributor, of these hacks (Mercenary_Frank)

in the beginning, there was an accusation from you claiming movement and i accused matt in the first place with the underlying motive of "personal salt," you do not need to lie and misinterpret the statement as otherwise after i brought that up.

If you're going to accuse someone of hacking, at least bring the only real credible evidence, a video. Otherwise, it just looks like salt.

I genuinely could not care less what some shady dude who sells hacks says.

movement and i were the ones attempting to provide 'real credible evidence.'

you're directing this not at bill, as he was not the one throwing out the 'real credible evidence.'

that was directed as us, movement and i.

bill had no association with movement or i through this, he only heard about the accusations and felt the need to give his personal insight on what he thought of the entire situation.

at no point did movement or i also use bill as 'real credible evidence' we brought forward, this is another thing you have assumed.

none of my or movements posts presenting evidence on the matter even contained bill within them, i guess your assumptions got ahead of you there  :(

You're going to need to bring something better than that one time a guy [Bill] who accuses people who don't hack of hacking, made a video accusing someone of hacking. There is a certain credibility element to take into account.

you also accused movement and i of not giving a video after i explained why we found the difficulty/inefficiency of providing a video, which i stated was speculation/assumption of how we think/thought

You and movement concluding there's no accurate way to prove someone's hacking through video footage sounds like a convenient way to dodge having to post any significant evidence. As I said before, the receipt was nonsensical garbage that doesn't prove anything.

you think you know how we think.

that's where you're wrong and i pointed that out a while ago.

i explained why it would be considered obsolete as there are many ways to manipulate what goes into videos, (ie: toggle-able abilities, off camera type stuff) it does not paint the full picture

now you can question my intelligence and downplay my argument as if it is not of value and act like the intelligent superior, but if you are questioning my intelligence and playing the intelligence card, why are you even responding to me for so much and so long ::)

i guess claiming another argument is "cringe" and "enough fse for one night" is valid to make an exit, fair enough perspective-wise but w/e.  :-X
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Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
« Reply #69 on: April 03, 2019, 08:09:03 am »
This thing has been a wild read. Keep it up guys 10/10

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Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
« Reply #70 on: April 03, 2019, 10:10:06 am »
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lol.

so claiming what other's think based upon the evidence they believed was credible in their minds upon submission and empirical observation amongst themselves that drove them to find said evidence, means it's a fact to highlight it as "salt."

it's like you're psychic and can automatically read our minds.

if we were salty, we would know about it within ourselves.

but throughout the entire incident our underlying motive was to find the truth, we believed we did, why we submitted what we believed was for the public to see.

but i guess that can be scrutinized very much and labeled as nothing other than "salt."

it's like as if any attempt we make is shot down regardless, utterly, this has not been the first time matt has been accused, the 4th time to be exact.

in my personal opinion, im not so sure how a video would prove a person of hacking with the "full package contents" as i have just learned all of these terms/hacks existed for warband

it's something no one has really heard of or seen before, publicly.

many just would never know how to tell, and that doubt is what would make that hypothetical video obsolete, in our minds it seemed much more incriminating to ask the direct source for info, rather than make a video being at high risk ( in our minds) of being scrutinized and taken with disbelief.

i cant speak for movement, but this is my personal opinion on all of this

im sure all of you can put together what i think about matt through all of this

_________________________________________________________________________________

ive probably typed 5+ essays out of this entire fiasco

My god, I'm actually concerned for your reading comprehension and general level of intelligence.

"If you're going to accuse someone of hacking, at least bring the only real credible evidence, a video. Otherwise, it just looks like salt." <- That's the statement you're so hung up on. 

This was a general statement, not directed at anyone, but applicable to everyone (if I'm being honest, if I had anyone in mind when making that statement, it was Bill). Stating that if someone (anyone) is going to accuse some else of hacking, they should provide solid evidence. Otherwise, their accusation just looks like them being salty. That's just a fact of how their accusation will be perceived. I literally already explained this in another post, which just makes this worse.

Now, instead of doing your best impression of a smart man like you did above, actually use your brain, take in what I'm saying and shut the fuck up. Have some self awareness and realize how  stupid you're making yourself look.

That's enough fse for me tonight, the cringe is just too much.
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haha, it's like you come around once again, as i said before you are being stubborn and reiterating the same point without taking into account much of what i've reiterated through everything

i disagreed with your idea hacks could be proven through video footage and gave several points on it, repeating myself several times why

i would say the most valid point was how new these hacks are to the community, there was not much knowledge on it prior (i did not know altering hitboxes/altering stab speed existed)

if the community has little to no knowledge of certain hacks, there would be doubt they even exist as they are unknown

with that, a video exposing, ill categorize them as "unknown/lesser known hacks," would not be sufficient as the doubt whether the hacks even exist remains

if there's doubt, there is not much you can really do, it will not look convincing to the community

that's why its much simpler (easier, in our minds) to get information on it from the direct source or distributor, of these hacks (Mercenary_Frank)

in the beginning, there was an accusation from you claiming movement and i accused matt in the first place with the underlying motive of "personal salt," you do not need to lie and misinterpret the statement as otherwise after i brought that up.

If you're going to accuse someone of hacking, at least bring the only real credible evidence, a video. Otherwise, it just looks like salt.

I genuinely could not care less what some shady dude who sells hacks says.

movement and i were the ones attempting to provide 'real credible evidence.'

you're directing this not at bill, as he was not the one throwing out the 'real credible evidence.'

that was directed as us, movement and i.

bill had no association with movement or i through this, he only heard about the accusations and felt the need to give his personal insight on what he thought of the entire situation.

at no point did movement or i also use bill as 'real credible evidence' we brought forward, this is another thing you have assumed.

none of my or movements posts presenting evidence on the matter even contained bill within them, i guess your assumptions got ahead of you there  :(

You're going to need to bring something better than that one time a guy [Bill] who accuses people who don't hack of hacking, made a video accusing someone of hacking. There is a certain credibility element to take into account.

you also accused movement and i of not giving a video after i explained why we found the difficulty/inefficiency of providing a video, which i stated was speculation/assumption of how we think/thought

You and movement concluding there's no accurate way to prove someone's hacking through video footage sounds like a convenient way to dodge having to post any significant evidence. As I said before, the receipt was nonsensical garbage that doesn't prove anything.

you think you know how we think.

that's where you're wrong and i pointed that out a while ago.

i explained why it would be considered obsolete as there are many ways to manipulate what goes into videos, (ie: toggle-able abilities, off camera type stuff) it does not paint the full picture

now you can question my intelligence and downplay my argument as if it is not of value and act like the intelligent superior, but if you are questioning my intelligence and playing the intelligence card, why are you even responding to me for so much and so long ::)

i guess claiming another argument is "cringe" and "enough fse for one night" is valid to make an exit, fair enough perspective-wise but w/e.  :-X
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This is why your reading comprehension and general intelligence level concerns me. You made a post to make yourself feel smart but you really just made yourself look like an even bigger idiot, like I told you you would.

in the beginning, there was an accusation from you claiming movement and i accused matt in the first place with the underlying motive of "personal salt," you do not need to lie and misinterpret the statement as otherwise after i brought that up.

At no point did I make that accusation. I made a general statement that if people are going to accuse someone of hacking, they had best use solid evidence, or else they'll just look salty.

Firstly, I can't misinterpret my own statement, I made the statement, I know how it's supposed to be interpreted, YOU misinterpreted my statement. The sheer arrogance and stupidity you display by claiming I misinterpreted my own statement, and you've got it right, is honestly a level of delusional I had not previously considered I'd have to deal with.

Secondly, why do you think I would feel the need to lie, just because you brought it up? I didn't say any of my other statements weren't directed at you once you brought them up. I have no problem directing statements at you. You're an idiot.

movement and i were the ones attempting to provide 'real credible evidence.'

you're directing this not at bill, as he was not the one throwing out the 'real credible evidence.'

that was directed as us, movement and i.

bill had no association with movement or i through this, he only heard about the accusations and felt the need to give his personal insight on what he thought of the entire situation.

This is why reading comprehension is important. I didn't say I was directing it at Bill. I said I had Bill on my mind when I wrote it, because he's the perfect example of someone who throws out accusations without any proof, and ends up looking like a salty kid as a result. He was it's inspiration, not it's target. I was cautioning people to not be like that.

No, it wasn't directed specifically at you or movement. I've said it enough, it was a general statement.

Good for Bill.

at no point did movement or i also use bill as 'real credible evidence' we brought forward, this is another thing you have assumed.

none of my or movements posts presenting evidence on the matter even contained bill within them, i guess your assumptions got ahead of you there  :(

The irony of these two statements is hilarious and honestly are the perfect example of your stupidity.

Where did I say you guys used Bill as real credible evidence? Or presented evidence containing Bill within them? That's right kids. I didn't. I only said Bill was who I was thinking of when making the statement you're so concerned with. You assumed the wrong thing here friend.

you think you know how we think.

that's where you're wrong and i pointed that out a while ago.

This is pure cringe right here. Do you have a quote for me saying this...or is it another dumb ass assumption? Cause I don't remember saying this.

now you can question my intelligence and downplay my argument as if it is not of value and act like the intelligent superior, but if you are questioning my intelligence and playing the intelligence card, why are you even responding to me for so much and so long ::)

I don't NEED to  (but I will) do any of that, your lack of intelligence and value in your arguments are PAINFULLY obvious to everyone, like fuck you're actually so stupid. Sorry if I'm saying this a lot, but it is both staggering and astounding how stupid you are. Why do I keep responding to you? I've just never seen someone say so much stupid shit and not realize it, I'm curious how long it can go one before you become self aware and stop.

Most of your post isn't even relevant to what you were responding to. All of that toggling and video talk came AFTER I made the post that has you bent so far out of shape (which is why I'm not bothering to respond to those parts).

i guess claiming another argument is "cringe" and "enough fse for one night" is valid to make an exit, fair enough perspective-wise but w/e.  :-X

Not like it's some baseless claim, you have been incredibly cringe. I was actually going to stay off until Risk  told me you responded, and then I saw how stupid it was. Now we're here.

Anyways, in conclusion, for the last time,  it was a general statement I made and wasn't specifically directed at you, or movement, or even Bill. BUT, if you're really this determined to be a little bitch and take it personally, by all means, go ahead and be a little bitch.

And if you choose to keep responding, that's fine, it's entertaining, like watching a car crash compilation. You're just hurting yourself at this point.

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Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
« Reply #71 on: April 03, 2019, 11:26:44 am »
Since you boys are just insulting eachother at this point, I'll make a nice conclusion for all people passing by :)
 
-the given evidence is not sufficient as it can too easily be faked.

-even if the chat logs are real it is impossible to tell if Frank is joking or not, and it is impossible to tell if the MATT mentioned in his documentation is this MATT.

-video evidence is completely useless as it is not objective enough to provide a definitive answer. Video's provided by MATT himself are not sufficient as they can easily be edited/MATT can turn his cheats off.
 
-As fwuffy stated it is useless to discuss this as conclusive and definitive evidence is impossible to find. The only real way would be to gain physical acces to his pc, as he is doing something fishy in game. Aka raid his fucking house before he can turn his cheats off/delete them. Or if the warband client had some intrusive anti-cheat system such as ESEA for csgo. As neither of these things are likely to ever happen with a suspected cheater, it is impossible to prove cheats.

-until credible objective evidence surfaces there is nothing incriminating MATT regardless of how much of an arrogant and insufferable prick he is.

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Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
« Reply #72 on: April 03, 2019, 01:10:19 pm »
I mean they let MATT play in WPC and it went fine.

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Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
« Reply #73 on: April 03, 2019, 01:26:16 pm »
Who's Frank

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Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
« Reply #74 on: April 03, 2019, 02:42:22 pm »
I can't be bothered with reading any of this but it's virtually impossible to prove anyone's cheating (unless MAYBE it's with certain POV recordings) in terms of autoblock or whatever, enjoy.
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