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Title: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: JollyCanadian on April 02, 2019, 04:42:06 pm
Use this thread to argue over it.
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: 120Package on April 02, 2019, 04:46:50 pm
Wait to everyone heres from frank...lol

Matt you are a piece of shit person for real lol and its not even just the cheats.


Read matts first post on TKC forums...says it all

https://i.gyazo.com/e51fd79ff7b5f9348515e43c2b4cf007.png
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: ~Midnight~ on April 02, 2019, 05:02:19 pm
Why do we even need to argue about this?
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: MATT123456789 on April 02, 2019, 06:10:31 pm
I am such a great troll. That was such a great idea, creating a profile with the same name as I have on fse on a known cheater website asking for cheats. It got so much attention, and still is, you are still triggered by it.

Sadly, I stopped being a troll and actually started to care about NW afterwards.
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: HaroldW on April 02, 2019, 06:47:10 pm
Wait to everyone heres from frank...lol

Matt you are a piece of shit person for real lol and its not even just the cheats.


Read matts first post on TKC forums...says it all

https://i.gyazo.com/e51fd79ff7b5f9348515e43c2b4cf007.png


based + redpilled

I am such a great troll. That was such a great idea, creating a profile with the same name as I have on fse on a known cheater website asking for cheats. It got so much attention, and still is, you are still triggered by it.

Sadly, I stopped being a troll and actually started to care about NW afterwards.


cringe + bluepilled
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Sgt.Winters on April 02, 2019, 07:11:02 pm
Why do we even need to argue about this?
Because we need to that essential serotonin going ese, it ain't no fucking fun without it. Lets stop questioning why and just keep FUCKING DOING IT. IT FEELS FUCKING GOOD!
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Stroke0fd34th on April 02, 2019, 07:40:48 pm
I've played with/against MATT enough, and watched the recent tournament, and I've never seen him do anything that made me think he was remotely suspicious. He's good, but he still makes mistakes that a program wouldn't.

I watched him sideblock in an ft7 vs Dante not too long ago

I've managed to land kicks on him (and that is far from my strong suit)

He's never thrown a straight stab that messed my timing up from just it's pure speed etc etc etc


If you're going to accuse someone of hacking, at least bring the only real credible evidence, a video. Otherwise, it just looks like salt.

I genuinely could not care less what some shady dude who sells hacks says.
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: ~Midnight~ on April 02, 2019, 07:44:10 pm
Why do we even need to argue about this?
Because we need to that essential serotonin going ese, it ain't no fucking fun without it. Lets stop questioning why and just keep FUCKING DOING IT. IT FEELS FUCKING GOOD!

Alright homes.
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: sidney crosby on April 02, 2019, 09:05:47 pm
I've played with/against MATT enough, and watched the recent tournament, and I've never seen him do anything that made me think he was remotely suspicious. He's good, but he still makes mistakes that a program wouldn't.

I watched him sideblock in an ft7 vs Dante not too long ago

I've managed to land kicks on him (and that is far from my strong suit)

He's never thrown a straight stab that messed my timing up from just it's pure speed etc etc etc


If you're going to accuse someone of hacking, at least bring the only real credible evidence, a video. Otherwise, it just looks like salt.

I genuinely could not care less what some shady dude who sells hacks says.

agree!


my take on it:
"Autoblock kick correction attack timer
Radar esp bone esp visuals health indicator"

You can prove when someone is using these hacks, other than the radar and health indicator. A lot of you have said he's using the health indicator and that's how he gets so many kills. MATT himself has said his strategy is to just go for noobs, lol.

"he got so good in such a short period of time." I don't have the screenshot, but during the last RGL MATT and I were both like 25/36 or some shit but both of us had like 60-70 ping (we now have 35-40). If you don't think it makes a difference you don't understand how nw on fastest works. He's played a lot, even said it's the only game he plays... It's not THAT hard to be really good at this game.



why i dont trust anyone accusing him:
Suns:
-actual sociopath
-had a very serious personal problem after getting 7-0d in a duel tournament (you all know what im talking about)
-has selective outrage
    -wanted MATT and VetroG banned from WPC for hacking, but there was a whole fucking hacking tournament around the same time he didn't give a shit about. (shit was hilarious to watch did anyone record that??)

Movement:
- got caught cheating on EU
- faked having cancer to disband his regiment
- hacked vetro's steam and got banned from the 4v4 leagye
- probably more shit idk about, dont need to know

Bill:
-retarded hillbilly






its just salt:
The real issue here is that MATT used autoblock and some other shit before on duels to troll bill or some shit, never competitively. So what you're riding this to say he's "always been a cheater", even though it's obvious he isn't one. So let's look at some of the former hackers in suns/movement/bill's reg
93rd former steroid cheats:
-vetroG: doesnt anymore but it's the principle
-movement: same as vetro
-Walter: used autoblock pretty obviously in a couple gfs

you all care that matt used some hacks to troll a couple years ago, but have no vendetta towards any of them in this competitive tournament.... when all of them used it in COMPETITIVE. At the end of the day you just hate MATT, which is fine lol.

anyway lets be nice and enjoy the game... it's better that way!

the length of this post makes me want to kill myself




Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: BabyJesus on April 02, 2019, 09:18:15 pm
#IStandWithMatt
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Pinoy12 on April 02, 2019, 10:07:53 pm
#IStandWithMatt
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Suns on April 02, 2019, 10:31:26 pm
godfreid.

the problem with making a video as i stated before, the problem with the competitive scene on this game is the fact accusations with a video are based on perspective.

the contents in the "full package" are difficult to record and prove from a perspective other than the person being accused (my perspective)

i can take videos of matt but it would be difficult what constitutes altered hitboxes, autoblocking, speed adjustment of stabs, etc etc

that's why movement and i decided the only real way to prove the accusations are true and not based on "salt" is to get into contact with the direct source of the hacks themselves.

i don't really know what other proof we can give to you to make you believe us, a video would just be met with greater scrutiny from the community and labeled as "salt."

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oatmeal.

there was not much "personal salt" from me being 7-0'd, there was a degree and always has been of "personal salt" whenever i would duel matt as he's been pulling suspicious things from my perspective for a long while.

as i said before, some days he's doing awfully bad and i'll be 7-0'ing him within 10 minutes and he cannot stun any of my holds or block any of my chambers, then he turns opposite and starts stunning anything i throw at him, or delayed hold or stab with different timings each one, or manage to block or outstun my stunchambers which no one can do consistently besides matt some of the time

i lose some i win some, i remember directly after losing i put into the chat "7-0 gg." without raging or complaining about anything, i left the server right after without saying any other words

im fine with losing, its a game and the one who plays to the best of their abilities/personal attributes will win

i just find it hypocritical you say i take losing ft7s (especially 7-0's) personally, as after i 7-0'd you last ft7 you dodged ft7ing me for a year, yet complained for a year degrading my playstyle saying i am a "turkish kicking ping abuse player" when i never turkish kicked you once when i 7-0'd you

the most recent ft7 i've had with you was in that duel tournament which was forced as we met in the same bracket

after 7-1'ing you and even during the rounds inside the ft7 of the tourny, you seemed to take it personal quite a bit, complaining and delaying, but that's just what i think

i just find it goofy you complain quite a bit but you won't do much else, you just sit and talk, you do not ft7 or duel yet claim things against me.

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i remember the duel tournament based with hacks after it occurred, i don't watch or read the threads dan the chef makes as he makes many of these little tournaments which nearly occurred every month for a period of time, i do not see that as "competitive"

walter i have heard he autoblocked in the past but i am not so sure as i haven't been around him that much (only time ive been around him recently was 93rd but he didn't show up as much) as my feints have gotten through to him easily in my ft7s ive had with him

i will admit, i do not like matt, but that stems from the personality he likes to flaunt on the game i do not agree with and the things he says/believes or his actions over the years.

you can label me as a sociopath i guess, but do remember i was cool with you at one point for a very long time until you thought it was cool to roast me on my personal shit when i thought we were cool, i don't have any problems with you except you complaining about me a lot, a lot of it behind my back yet you seem cool to me sometimes when im around
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: ~NickCole~ on April 02, 2019, 10:40:10 pm
I will say that I have faced Walter 9 times in ft7s and beat him 8 out of the 9 times. During my duels with him he did die at least once to me in every ft7 due to a side block which is why I believe he doesn't auto. He did play native before coming to NW & native is a great way to improve your blocking.
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Cwater on April 02, 2019, 10:46:48 pm
God, somebody really needs to get George R.R Martin on storyboarding an NW fantasy series called A Song of Autism and Auto: War of The Five Cronies (based on a true story)
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: sidney crosby on April 02, 2019, 11:18:02 pm
I will say that I have faced Walter 9 times in ft7s and beat him 8 out of the 9 times. During my duels with him he did die at least once to me in every ft7 due to a side block which is why I believe he doesn't auto. He did play native before coming to NW & native is a great way to improve your blocking.
well that's the exact issue -- i recall teaching him how to block chamber of duels and no more than a week later he could block up-downs like anthony... was very sus, but i doubt he still uses it so it's not important

and suns....? I'm not sure what our ft7 record and personal relationship has to do with all of this, this is about MATT's cheating accusations... has nothing to do with me.  hit the pm's if you really care that much about it

Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: |Viper| on April 02, 2019, 11:25:31 pm
Holy shit Oatmeal out here benching kids left and right LMAO.
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Suns on April 02, 2019, 11:34:39 pm
I will say that I have faced Walter 9 times in ft7s and beat him 8 out of the 9 times. During my duels with him he did die at least once to me in every ft7 due to a side block which is why I believe he doesn't auto. He did play native before coming to NW & native is a great way to improve your blocking.
well that's the exact issue -- i recall teaching him how to block chamber of duels and no more than a week later he could block up-downs like anthony... was very sus, but i doubt he still uses it so it's not important

and suns....? I'm not sure what our ft7 record and personal relationship has to do with all of this, this is about MATT's cheating accusations... has nothing to do with me.  hit the pm's if you really care that much about it



you call me salted and accuse me of having personal vendetta against MATT as a basis of all my claims, a pretty assumption of yours.

once i respond you tell me to take it to pms, i guess you have difficulty posting about me publicly and when i do the same to you, you urge me to keep it private.

i have nothing else to say to you really if that is the case.

the only real things the community has to wait for is the investigation on MATT to end, it will in a few days (i think/hope, some breakthroughs recently today which kept things moving forward)

then we'll see who was really right all along.  :-X
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Eamon on April 03, 2019, 12:31:48 am
Matt

(https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/screen-shot-2015-05-04-at-11-30-54-am.jpg)
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Runepkyz on April 03, 2019, 12:36:05 am
I'm not here to give my opinion "BUT". Idk why my nibba MATT would always ask me to come on and practice (Almost all the time) with him if he was just going to hack anyways. It just doesnt really make sense. I've vsed the guy so many times he is just good at the game.
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: MATT123456789 on April 03, 2019, 01:15:56 am
godfreid.

the problem with making a video as i stated before, the problem with the competitive scene on this game is the fact accusations with a video are based on perspective.

the contents in the "full package" are difficult to record and prove from a perspective other than the person being accused (my perspective)

i can take videos of matt but it would be difficult what constitutes altered hitboxes, autoblocking, speed adjustment of stabs, etc etc

that's why movement and i decided the only real way to prove the accusations are true and not based on "salt" is to get into contact with the direct source of the hacks themselves.

i don't really know what other proof we can give to you to make you believe us, a video would just be met with greater scrutiny from the community and labeled as "salt."

_________________________________________________________________________________

oatmeal.

there was not much "personal salt" from me being 7-0'd, there was a degree and always has been of "personal salt" whenever i would duel matt as he's been pulling suspicious things from my perspective for a long while.

as i said before, some days he's doing awfully bad and i'll be 7-0'ing him within 10 minutes and he cannot stun any of my holds or block any of my chambers, then he turns opposite and starts stunning anything i throw at him, or delayed hold or stab with different timings each one, or manage to block or outstun my stunchambers which no one can do consistently besides matt some of the time

i lose some i win some, i remember directly after losing i put into the chat "7-0 gg." without raging or complaining about anything, i left the server right after without saying any other words

im fine with losing, its a game and the one who plays to the best of their abilities/personal attributes will win

i just find it hypocritical you say i take losing ft7s (especially 7-0's) personally, as after i 7-0'd you last ft7 you dodged ft7ing me for a year, yet complained for a year degrading my playstyle saying i am a "turkish kicking ping abuse player" when i never turkish kicked you once when i 7-0'd you

the most recent ft7 i've had with you was in that duel tournament which was forced as we met in the same bracket

after 7-1'ing you and even during the rounds inside the ft7 of the tourny, you seemed to take it personal quite a bit, complaining and delaying, but that's just what i think

i just find it goofy you complain quite a bit but you won't do much else, you just sit and talk, you do not ft7 or duel yet claim things against me.

_________________________________________________________________________________

i remember the duel tournament based with hacks after it occurred, i don't watch or read the threads dan the chef makes as he makes many of these little tournaments which nearly occurred every month for a period of time, i do not see that as "competitive"

walter i have heard he autoblocked in the past but i am not so sure as i haven't been around him that much (only time ive been around him recently was 93rd but he didn't show up as much) as my feints have gotten through to him easily in my ft7s ive had with him

i will admit, i do not like matt, but that stems from the personality he likes to flaunt on the game i do not agree with and the things he says/believes or his actions over the years.

you can label me as a sociopath i guess, but do remember i was cool with you at one point for a very long time until you thought it was cool to roast me on my personal shit when i thought we were cool, i don't have any problems with you except you complaining about me a lot, a lot of it behind my back yet you seem cool to me sometimes when im around

the contents in the "full package" are difficult to record and prove from a perspective other than the person being accused (my perspective)


This whole post is just another pile of terrible lying bullshit as always, as well once again it proves you guys are imbeciles.

You once again played yourself, idiot.

IF IT IS NOT DIFFICULT TO TELL IF SOMEONE IS CHEATING FROM THEIR POV THEN WHY HAVENT YOU POSTED ANY OF MY VIDEOS OF ME PLAYING THE GAME HERE WITH TIMESTAMPS TO SHOW WHEN  I WAS CHEATING AND WITH WHAT CHEAT, ALSO YOU HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO SPEW RANDOM BULLSHIT OUT YOUR ASS THAT CANT BE FACT CHECKED BUT THE ONE UNDENIABLE PROOF IS VIDEO WHICH YOU WON'T USE . WHY WONT YOU USE IT? BECAUSE I DON'T CHEAT.

I've posted lots of videos of me playing the game, go watch them. Fuck I'll even record me plaiyng with my phone, from turning on my computer, to beating any of you idiots.

It's actually pissing me off, how much of an idiot you are, and how this whole situation is a thing.

You have personal salt over everything, everyone knows you get triggered over the slightest of statements.

You care about losing,are you fucking kidding me? you can't fraud it,  you screenshot everylittle thing and you wait on weekends when I am drunk after going out and socializing with people to challenge me to a ft7 because its your only chance of winning and obtaining the holy grail "proof that you beat me suns omg congrats!" you  challenge noobs to ft7s all the time because its an easy win and you know you wont lose, you completely changed up your style into the most boring style the community has ever seen because you are that scared of losing to me, I don't care about losing, thats why I from the beginning of me playing this game I have always ft7d everyone constantly, if i was such a fanatical fuck about winning that i started cheating to win, why would i always ft7 i knew id lose against, and also tell people why and how i beat them, like i did with you. 
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Suns on April 03, 2019, 01:28:24 am
haha.

people can keep on calling me biased and this incident based on personal vendetta of movement and i

but as i said before, just wait until the investigation completes

then we can see who was right all along.  :-X
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: ~Midnight~ on April 03, 2019, 01:33:33 am
haha.

people can keep on calling me biased and this incident based on personal vendetta of movement and i

but as i said before, just wait until the investigation completes

then we can see who was right all along.  :-X

Didn't he already resign from the league though?
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Sanders on April 03, 2019, 01:33:48 am
Fuck all this, I’m just happy I got my tickets to Avengers Endgame
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Glenn on April 03, 2019, 01:52:41 am
I don’t believe MATT is hacking. He dropped 15 kills in his first game with me and Hawkince in Fortnite. He’s just that fucking good at video games.
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Stroke0fd34th on April 03, 2019, 01:59:10 am
godfreid.

the problem with making a video as i stated before, the problem with the competitive scene on this game is the fact accusations with a video are based on perspective.

the contents in the "full package" are difficult to record and prove from a perspective other than the person being accused (my perspective)

i can take videos of matt but it would be difficult what constitutes altered hitboxes, autoblocking, speed adjustment of stabs, etc etc

that's why movement and i decided the only real way to prove the accusations are true and not based on "salt" is to get into contact with the direct source of the hacks themselves.

i don't really know what other proof we can give to you to make you believe us, a video would just be met with greater scrutiny from the community and labeled as "salt."

I mean the best proof he gave you guys was the receipt, and that was garbage. Literally all of the columns look like they're filled with nonsense, and 1 just happens to contain the name "Matt". Without the supporting evidence of something like a video of him using the hacks he was supposedly sold, it chalks up to MAYBE you're right, and MAYBE that's just a complete coincidence. You need more than just the name "Matt" to actually prove something. And Frank from his own words, apparently doesn't keep records of things like IP addresses, so we have no way of definitively linking the two.

You could literally record a video from your perspective + MATT's + a spectator...that would be definitive enough. But even just a video from one of those perspectives would be better than nothing. And yes, it would be met with scrutiny...that's what you do with evidence in order to make sure the conclusion you draw from it is accurate.

Additionally, using 1 of the hacks from "the full package" would be enough to raise a red flag for most people, let alone using the entirety of it. No way someone does that and doesn't raise any suspicion from more than just 1 person.


I'll just conclude this by re-posting my original point;

I've played with/against MATT enough, and watched the recent tournament, and I've never seen him do anything that made me think he was remotely suspicious. He's good, but he still makes mistakes that a program wouldn't.

I watched him sideblock in an ft7 vs Dante not too long ago

I've managed to land kicks on him (and that is far from my strong suit)

He's never thrown a straight stab that messed my timing up from just it's pure speed etc etc etc


If you're going to accuse someone of hacking, at least bring the only real credible evidence, a video. Otherwise, it just looks like salt.

I genuinely could not care less what some shady dude who sells hacks says.












Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Sanders on April 03, 2019, 02:09:08 am
Issa losing battle men fall back
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Gluk the Walrus on April 03, 2019, 02:18:42 am
I've kinda kept quiet about this whole thing, just read all the posts, talked to people in steam about it, ect, and honestly, I can't find anything that can be considered solid proof of the allegations against him. What you have can be easily fabricated or could be images of someone else. Like matt is a common name, so his credit card shit is hardly proof. I believe he did use cheats at some point, but I have no reason to suspect that he's still using them. He's innocent until proven guilty, so I'm letting him come to my tournament.
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Suns on April 03, 2019, 02:19:14 am
haha.

people can keep on calling me biased and this incident based on personal vendetta of movement and i

but as i said before, just wait until the investigation completes

then we can see who was right all along.  :-X

Didn't he already resign from the league though?

yes, but the investigation is ongoing (waiting on a few people to come online/meet up with/discuss new evidence that arose today)

unreleased until the investigation completes, within a "few days" is what im hearing, "later on in the week."

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a video is not sufficient, it only is sufficient if you're proving someone is using unblockable, (as you can simply detect it by blocking to the right at the right moment) it's obvious.

as i said before and you fail to recognize, there is no real way to prove autoblock, altered hitboxes, radar, altered stab speed etc, through a video, (it's not as obvious as unblockable) it's like you imply these hacks are not toggleable, and the hacker in question doesn't just need to turn them off then begin recording from their POV to prove they are innocent.

the only real thing left is just to wait until the investigation completes, it's dumb speculating and assuming until everything is sorted thoroughly.
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Sgt.Winters on April 03, 2019, 02:21:13 am
It would almost seem to me like Frank is playing both sides l m a o
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: ~Midnight~ on April 03, 2019, 02:21:48 am
It would almost seem to me like Frank is playing both sides l m a o

Frank is the Petyr Baelish of NW confirmed.
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: MATT123456789 on April 03, 2019, 02:23:43 am
It would almost seem to me like Frank is playing both sides l m a o

thats what ive been saying hes trolling everyone LOL

Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Gluk the Walrus on April 03, 2019, 02:23:53 am
If Suns has actual evidence that blows this whole thing open, then I might change my mind, but we'll see I guess. Just seems weird that new evidence is coming up all of a sudden. You haven't proven it already, so it seems suspect that NOW you have something solid that proves it. Again though, I could be wrong and you could change my mind.
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Glenn on April 03, 2019, 02:24:08 am
Ok ima be honest I’m Mercenary_Frank

Who wants hacks for $120 full package dm me
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Suns on April 03, 2019, 02:27:52 am
If Suns has actual evidence that blows this whole thing open, then I might change my mind, but we'll see I guess. Just seems weird that new evidence is coming up all of a sudden. You haven't proven it already, so it seems suspect that NOW you have something solid that proves it. Again though, I could be wrong and you could change my mind.

it wasn't me who brought this new evidence up.

frank was memeing quite a bit in his chats with matt.
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: MATT123456789 on April 03, 2019, 02:30:18 am
The only people accusing me of cheating, are the same people who have accused me of cheating multiple times in the past, and everytime they have failed to get me banned.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Gluk the Walrus on April 03, 2019, 02:31:16 am
If Suns has actual evidence that blows this whole thing open, then I might change my mind, but we'll see I guess. Just seems weird that new evidence is coming up all of a sudden. You haven't proven it already, so it seems suspect that NOW you have something solid that proves it. Again though, I could be wrong and you could change my mind.

it wasn't me who brought this new evidence up.

frank was memeing quite a bit in his chats with matt.
If it's legit then why do you need to wait to talk to people about it? Why not just post it and let the community decide? What is there to wait on?
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Suns on April 03, 2019, 02:39:50 am
well, the staff asked me not to speak about it until the investigation is over, their choice and they are the ones who want it kept quiet while they discuss things then contact people if they need further testimonies or what not etc, the point is to get away from the massive public eye on it im thinking.

i do see why, its quite a lot to handle, if anything movement and i should have contacted them privately at first, then released, or waited until a conclusion was reached then released things, it would have probably made things easier a bit.
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: MATT123456789 on April 03, 2019, 02:41:42 am
well, the staff asked me not to speak about it until the investigation is over, their choice and they are the ones who want it kept quiet while they discuss things then contact people if they need further testimonies or what not etc, the point is to get away from the massive public eye on it im thinking.

i do see why, its quite a lot to handle, if anything movement and i should have contacted them privately at first, then released, or waited until a conclusion was reached then released things, it would have probably made things easier a bit.

Jolly hasnt even told suns what the "undeniable evidence" is yet. Suns is frauding hard as usual.
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Suns on April 03, 2019, 02:43:52 am
well, the staff asked me not to speak about it until the investigation is over, their choice and they are the ones who want it kept quiet while they discuss things then contact people if they need further testimonies or what not etc, the point is to get away from the massive public eye on it im thinking.

i do see why, its quite a lot to handle, if anything movement and i should have contacted them privately at first, then released, or waited until a conclusion was reached then released things, it would have probably made things easier a bit.

Jolly hasnt even told suns what the "undeniable evidence" is yet. Suns is frauding hard as usual.

lol, i know what it is, who do you think told me about it? the one person who has paired with me and you claim is "obsessed" with you.

hahahahahaha
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: MATT123456789 on April 03, 2019, 02:45:35 am
Here we go

do your thing suns show everyone that im hacking

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjMu1_5lZiw
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Stroke0fd34th on April 03, 2019, 02:53:05 am
haha.

people can keep on calling me biased and this incident based on personal vendetta of movement and i

but as i said before, just wait until the investigation completes

then we can see who was right all along.  :-X

Didn't he already resign from the league though?

yes, but the investigation is ongoing (waiting on a few people to come online/meet up with/discuss new evidence that arose today)

unreleased until the investigation completes, within a "few days" is what im hearing, "later on in the week."

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a video is not sufficient, it only is sufficient if you're proving someone is using unblockable, (as you can simply detect it by blocking to the right at the right moment) it's obvious.

as i said before and you fail to recognize, there is no real way to prove autoblock, altered hitboxes, radar, altered stab speed etc, through a video, (it's not as obvious as unblockable) it's like you imply these hacks are not toggleable, and the hacker in question doesn't just need to turn them off then begin recording from their POV to prove they are innocent.

the only real thing left is just to wait until the investigation completes, it's dumb speculating and assuming until everything is sorted thoroughly.

As I said before, and you fail to recognize is it's easy to prove someones using autoblock, altered hitboxes and altered stab speed. Someone autoblocking literally can't block in any other direction than they're being attacked from, it isn't hard to spot. Others should be blatantly obvious by watching (if a dude is stabbing after someone and hitting them first for example, that's suspicious). Idk why you're so adamant that they'd be impossible to spot, it isn't like hitbox and stab speed altering are super subtle things.

Sure, they're toggleable, but if you really want to go down that route, than how do I know you're not hacking? You could just toggle it off after all. Basically that's a cop out tactic to deny someone the opportunity to prove themselves innocent and I'm not going to entertain it.

The "investigation", without solid evidence, of which so far there has been none, is literally nothing more than dumb speculating and assuming.
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: MATT123456789 on April 03, 2019, 02:57:56 am
sadly after they all get exposed jolly will not ban any of these people from the league, as he knows these are touched individuals and doesn't want them stalking him and seeking revenge on him too
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Suns on April 03, 2019, 03:11:25 am
haha, must be very easy to prove anyone of autoblocking, isn't it godfreid?

how come when Bill made the autoblocking video of MATT in 2017 no one paid attention too it, no one believed it.

i thought your theory that video footage would easily prove autoblocking?

the only time people started believing the video was after MATT admitted to using autoblock.

LOL !

theory machine broke.

claiming "they can only block the direction they're being attacked from, making it easy to spot" is illogical, as you continually forget the hacks are toggle-able, some packages (ive heard, not 100% how it works but there are variations) you need to relaunch the game or rejoin the server for it to work, others are toggle-able with the pressing of a button, the program runs in the background on your desktop while the warband program is on. (i have a general idea what the program looks like in the background)

and to find altered stab speed what are you gonna do? record the stab speed from one person then record the stab speed from another person then compare the times? the average stab speed is between 0.5>1 and 0.5<1 (1.5 at most?) seconds, if anything im sure the people who created the altered stab speed made it so it is a subtle yet significant increase, it's not going to be anything major as that would defeat using the hack, the more obvious it is the less likely people will be willing to buy it (as the chances of getting caught would be high)

how would you find the altered hitbox through a video? have one person stab at another 10 times in 1 area and then have another person stab at the other 10 times in 1 area and compare the hit percentages of both?

in theory, it seems we could be able to detect these two things, altered stab speed and altered hitboxes.

but in theory, these experiments are also rendered obsolete with the simple press of a button, toggle-able hacks.   ::)

hah, i guess using my own logic against me means i could be a hacker too? who knows.  :)

that's why movement and i concluded from the very beginning there is no real "accurate"  ::) way to prove someone is hacking through video footage.

you need to either get the accused to admit they were hacking (haha like as if they would willingly admit prior to being accused), or go to the direct source and ask them if they are willing to spill whether the accused purchased hacks of them or not, if they did and they do spill, try and get a financial record, receipt of purchase, or any other info etc, info the staff of the 4v4 league are looking into after speaking with Frank.

if anything, your posts are based on dumb speculating and assuming the underlying motive for movement and i gathering this and presenting it to the community is because of "personal salt" we hold against matt, the investigation has concluded, nor do you know of all of the evidences brought against matt which i said before, have not been released as those handling it have not finished discussing it.

it's not like you just speculated and assumed your first post our underlying motives without even speaking to us or knowing 100% what is going on, LOL !
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: MATT123456789 on April 03, 2019, 03:22:19 am
haha, must be very easy to prove anyone of autoblocking, isn't it godfreid?

how come when Bill made the autoblocking video of MATT in 2017 no one paid attention too it, no one believed it.

i thought your theory that video footage would easily prove autoblocking?

the only time people started believing the video was after MATT admitted to using autoblock.

LOL !

theory machine broke.

claiming "they can only block the direction they're being attacked from, making it easy to spot" is illogical, as you continually forget the hacks are toggle-able, some packages (ive heard, not 100% how it works but there are variations) you need to relaunch the game or rejoin the server for it to work, others are toggle-able with the pressing of a button, the program runs in the background on your desktop while the warband program is on. (i have a general idea what the program looks like in the background)

and to find altered stab speed what are you gonna do? record the stab speed from one person then record the stab speed from another person then compare the times? the average stab speed is between 0.5>1 and 0.5<1 (1.5 at most?) seconds, if anything im sure the people who created the altered stab speed made it so it is a subtle yet significant increase, it's not going to be anything major as that would defeat using the hack, the more obvious it is the less likely people will be willing to buy it (as the chances of getting caught would be high)

how would you find the altered hitbox through a video? have one person stab at another 10 times in 1 area and then have another person stab at the other 10 times in 1 area and compare the hit percentages of both?

in theory, it seems we could be able to detect these two things, altered stab speed and altered hitboxes.

but in theory, these experiments are also rendered obsolete with the simple press of a button, toggle-able hacks.   ::)

hah, i guess using my own logic against me means i could be a hacker too? who knows.  :)

that's why movement and i concluded from the very beginning there is no real "accurate"  ::) way to prove someone is hacking through video footage.

you need to either get the accused to admit they were hacking (haha like as if they would willingly admit prior to being accused), or go to the direct source and ask them if they are willing to spill whether the accused purchased hacks of them or not, if they did and they do spill, try and get a financial record, receipt of purchase, or any other info etc, info the staff of the 4v4 league are looking into after speaking with Frank.

if anything, your posts are based on dumb speculating and assuming the underlying motive for movement and i gathering this and presenting it to the community is because of "personal salt" we hold against matt, the investigation has concluded, nor do you know of all of the evidences brought against matt which i said before, have not been released as those handling it have not finished discussing it.

it's not like you just speculated and assumed your first post our underlying motives without even speaking to us or knowing 100% what is going on, LOL !

record me playing. when i kill you with a stun for the millionth time in a row, analyze and see if my stab was faster, because I will have had to toggle my speed hacks on to kill you

you are so bad at this it is hilarious

also i posted of me playing plz show me where i was toggling mr genius boy all you do is keep avoiding video evidence

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1zXyh7h8d8

another vid from today

now people might say
but matt all you did was toggle off your cheats for the vid!!!

if i have been cheating everyday for hte past 2 and a half years i wouldnt be able to toggle off all my cheats and be able to perform well.

these are the cheats people claim i use, just to show you how ridiculous this is, starting from the most ridiculous accusation to the least

1. Altered hitbox, my hitbox is made smaller than everyone elses
2. Altered stab speed, my stabs are faster than everyone elses
3. kick correction, impossible for me to get kicked
4. unblockable, my stab goes through peoples blocks
5. radar, i have a radar map showing where everyone is
6. Health indicator, tells me  the health levels of players around me
7. autoblock, i dont have to move my mouse up or down to block the attack

I toggled off 7 cheats for the first time in 2 and a half years and I still top frag against the best players in the game. Ok
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Glenn on April 03, 2019, 03:43:30 am
LMAOOOO MATT STILL GOT THE BANDICAM WATERMARK. INVESTIGATION OVER HE’S CLEAN.
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Suns on April 03, 2019, 03:53:31 am
Spoiler
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haha, must be very easy to prove anyone of autoblocking, isn't it godfreid?

how come when Bill made the autoblocking video of MATT in 2017 no one paid attention too it, no one believed it.

i thought your theory that video footage would easily prove autoblocking?

the only time people started believing the video was after MATT admitted to using autoblock.

LOL !

theory machine broke.

claiming "they can only block the direction they're being attacked from, making it easy to spot" is illogical, as you continually forget the hacks are toggle-able, some packages (ive heard, not 100% how it works but there are variations) you need to relaunch the game or rejoin the server for it to work, others are toggle-able with the pressing of a button, the program runs in the background on your desktop while the warband program is on. (i have a general idea what the program looks like in the background)

and to find altered stab speed what are you gonna do? record the stab speed from one person then record the stab speed from another person then compare the times? the average stab speed is between 0.5>1 and 0.5<1 (1.5 at most?) seconds, if anything im sure the people who created the altered stab speed made it so it is a subtle yet significant increase, it's not going to be anything major as that would defeat using the hack, the more obvious it is the less likely people will be willing to buy it (as the chances of getting caught would be high)

how would you find the altered hitbox through a video? have one person stab at another 10 times in 1 area and then have another person stab at the other 10 times in 1 area and compare the hit percentages of both?

in theory, it seems we could be able to detect these two things, altered stab speed and altered hitboxes.

but in theory, these experiments are also rendered obsolete with the simple press of a button, toggle-able hacks.   ::)

hah, i guess using my own logic against me means i could be a hacker too? who knows.  :)

that's why movement and i concluded from the very beginning there is no real "accurate"  ::) way to prove someone is hacking through video footage.

you need to either get the accused to admit they were hacking (haha like as if they would willingly admit prior to being accused), or go to the direct source and ask them if they are willing to spill whether the accused purchased hacks of them or not, if they did and they do spill, try and get a financial record, receipt of purchase, or any other info etc, info the staff of the 4v4 league are looking into after speaking with Frank.

if anything, your posts are based on dumb speculating and assuming the underlying motive for movement and i gathering this and presenting it to the community is because of "personal salt" we hold against matt, the investigation has concluded, nor do you know of all of the evidences brought against matt which i said before, have not been released as those handling it have not finished discussing it.

it's not like you just speculated and assumed your first post our underlying motives without even speaking to us or knowing 100% what is going on, LOL !

record me playing. when i kill you with a stun for the millionth time in a row, analyze and see if my stab was faster, because I will have had to toggle my speed hacks on to kill you

you are so bad at this it is hilarious

also i posted of me playing plz show me where i was toggling mr genius boy all you do is keep avoiding video evidence

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1zXyh7h8d8

another vid from today

now people might say
but matt all you did was toggle off your cheats for the vid!!!

if i have been cheating everyday for hte past 2 and a half years i wouldnt be able to toggle off all my cheats and be able to perform well.

these are the cheats people claim i use, just to show you how rediculous this is, starting from the most rediculous accusation to the least

1. Altered hitbox, my hitbox is made smaller than everyone elses
2. Altered stab speed, my stabs are faster than everyone elses
3. kick correction, impossible for me to get kicked
4. unblockable, my stab goes through peoples blocks
5. radar, i have a radar map showing where everyone is
6. Health indicator, tells me who the health levels of players around me
7. autoblock, i dont have to move my mouse up or down to block the attack

I toggled off 7 cheats for the first time in 2 and a half years and I still top frag against the best players in the game. Ok

little do they know.  ::)
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: |Viper| on April 03, 2019, 03:57:24 am
Thanks for recording me carrying my team to victory on groupfighting.
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Stroke0fd34th on April 03, 2019, 04:53:30 am
haha, must be very easy to prove anyone of autoblocking, isn't it godfreid?

how come when Bill made the autoblocking video of MATT in 2017 no one paid attention too it, no one believed it.

i thought your theory that video footage would easily prove autoblocking?

the only time people started believing the video was after MATT admitted to using autoblock.

LOL !

theory machine broke.

claiming "they can only block the direction they're being attacked from, making it easy to spot" is illogical, as you continually forget the hacks are toggle-able, some packages (ive heard, not 100% how it works but there are variations) you need to relaunch the game or rejoin the server for it to work, others are toggle-able with the pressing of a button, the program runs in the background on your desktop while the warband program is on. (i have a general idea what the program looks like in the background)

and to find altered stab speed what are you gonna do? record the stab speed from one person then record the stab speed from another person then compare the times? the average stab speed is between 0.5>1 and 0.5<1 (1.5 at most?) seconds, if anything im sure the people who created the altered stab speed made it so it is a subtle yet significant increase, it's not going to be anything major as that would defeat using the hack, the more obvious it is the less likely people will be willing to buy it (as the chances of getting caught would be high)

how would you find the altered hitbox through a video? have one person stab at another 10 times in 1 area and then have another person stab at the other 10 times in 1 area and compare the hit percentages of both?

in theory, it seems we could be able to detect these two things, altered stab speed and altered hitboxes.

but in theory, these experiments are also rendered obsolete with the simple press of a button, toggle-able hacks.   ::)

hah, i guess using my own logic against me means i could be a hacker too? who knows.  :)

that's why movement and i concluded from the very beginning there is no real "accurate"  ::) way to prove someone is hacking through video footage.

you need to either get the accused to admit they were hacking (haha like as if they would willingly admit prior to being accused), or go to the direct source and ask them if they are willing to spill whether the accused purchased hacks of them or not, if they did and they do spill, try and get a financial record, receipt of purchase, or any other info etc, info the staff of the 4v4 league are looking into after speaking with Frank.

if anything, your posts are based on dumb speculating and assuming the underlying motive for movement and i gathering this and presenting it to the community is because of "personal salt" we hold against matt, the investigation has concluded, nor do you know of all of the evidences brought against matt which i said before, have not been released as those handling it have not finished discussing it.

it's not like you just speculated and assumed your first post our underlying motives without even speaking to us or knowing 100% what is going on, LOL !

Maybe no one believed Bill because Bill has a history of coming out of left field with accusations (Jackie health hacks, me auto blocking), and his "test" for autoblocking is him doing the same up-down feint in a predictable repeating pattern then going "yeah, I proved my point".

You're going to need to bring something better than that one time a guy who accuses people who don't hack of hacking, made a video accusing someone of hacking. There is a certain credibility element to take into account.

Theory machine intact.

You're being retarded and misusing illogical. You're automatically assuming that if MATT hacks, he has access to the kind that he could toggle with a button, and not one that needs to be toggled by rejoining the server or relaunching the entire game. So you've just resorted to writing out a bunch of "coulds".

MATT posted a video of himself dunking on you guys in pub groupfighting without hacks. That's already better evidence than everything you posted.

You and movement concluding there's no accurate way to prove someone's hacking through video footage sounds like a convenient way to dodge having to post any significant evidence. As I said before, the receipt was nonsensical garbage that doesn't prove anything.

if anything, your posts are based on dumb speculating and assuming the underlying motive for movement and i gathering this and presenting it to the community is because of "personal salt"

it's not like you just speculated and assumed your first post our underlying motives without even speaking to us or knowing 100% what is going on, LOL !

I didn't speculate or assume your underlying motives, you just have low reading comprehension skills, LOL ! All I said is how it looks when someone (anyone) accuses someone else of hacking without solid evidence. It looks like salt. I didn't think it would be that hard to understand.

"If you're going to accuse someone of hacking, at least bring the only real credible evidence, a video. Otherwise, it just looks like salt." <- incase anyone is curious.
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Theodin on April 03, 2019, 04:54:45 am
I'm always impressed with the effort Matt puts into bolding different parts of his posts. It really provides the casual observer with the most important elements of what is often a lot of text. In my eyes, this should be the new standard for long fse posts
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: MATT123456789 on April 03, 2019, 05:06:23 am
GG I win sorry suns and bill your hopes and dreams have been crushed.


L

rip i cant make text with 999 size anymore
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Suns on April 03, 2019, 05:11:56 am
Otherwise, it just looks like salt.
I genuinely could not care less what some shady dude who sells hacks says.

tfw you assume/speculate the underlying motives of two people accusing another of hacking by highlighting "it's just salt" in an attempt to invalidate their credibility, then claim you never did

Bill has accused many people, but this was the first time (i think) he actually made a video about it, you're generalizing all of his accusations without taking into account this separate incident was much different.

i even gave experimental scenarios for a "anti-hacking video" method, but in essence it is all rendered obsolete with the toggle-able ability these hacks contain.

at this point, you're just being stubborn and circulating my rhetoric against me and reiterating the same points after i already explained why they would be ineffective and obsolete, as these videos have surfaced in the past but they were never successful. (the only successful video was vetro using unblockable, as catching unblockable is blatant)

however, it was still met with scrutiny and disbelief as it is up to the viewer's perspective to make an opinion regardless of "accuracy," "accuracy" should not be based on perspective but rather undeniable proofs, why movement and i believed it was necessary to go to the direct source, or distributer, of said hacks, in an attempt to gather more information, incriminating information.

and no, simply stating why it's obsolete to make a video in an attempt to proving hacks is not fair grounds to assume and speculate once again why movement and i have not submitted a video as in your eyes we cannot "provide any concrete evidence."

_________________________________________________________________________________

conclusion though, i just find it odd MATT decides to quit the game/resign from the league during the investigation, he has been accused many different times yet decides this time is the time he will "quit" from the game.

MATT's entire essay of accusing bill of using his "alternate steam" account is a lie and Jolly proved it by demonstrating after adding the steam account movement and i linked, it is the authentic Frank.

this should just highlight how MATT's entire essay (his first post response is just a lie.)

that's all i have to say about this matter, the investigation is finished and the case is closed.
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Stroke0fd34th on April 03, 2019, 05:22:17 am
Otherwise, it just looks like salt.
I genuinely could not care less what some shady dude who sells hacks says.

tfw you assume/speculate the underlying motives of two people accusing another of hacking by highlighting "it's just salt" in an attempt to invalidate their credibility, then claim you never did

Bill has accused many people, but this was the first time (i think) he actually made a video about it, you're generalizing all of his accusations without taking into account this separate incident was much different.

i even gave experimental scenarios for a "anti-hacking video" method, but in essence it is all rendered obsolete with the toggle-able ability these hacks contain.

at this point, you're just being stubborn and circulating my rhetoric against me and reiterating the same points after i already explained why they would be ineffective and obsolete, as these videos have surfaced in the past but they were never successful. (the only successful video was vetro using unblockable, as catching unblockable is blatant)

 however, it was still met with scrutiny and disbelief as it is up to the viewer's perspective to make an opinion regardless of "accuracy," "accuracy" should not be based on perspective but rather undeniable proofs, why movement and i believed it was necessary to go to the direct source, or distributer, of said hacks, in an attempt to gather more information, incriminating information.

and no, simply stating why it's obsolete to make a video in an attempt to proving hacks is not fair grounds to assume once again why movement and i have not submitted a video as in your eyes we cannot "provide any concrete evidence."

That isn't a speculation...that's a fact. Accusing someone of hacking without providing solid evidence, ends up just looking like salt. Idk why that's such a hard concept for you to grasp.

I'm not going to bother with the rest of it, because the investigation you were counting on came to the conclusion I knew they would, because your evidence sucked. Maybe you should've tried a video after all.

This is the information I was given and concluded that there is no REAL in-game evidence that proves Matt hacked DURING the 4v4 league. It's too hard to tell and I nor the mod team and say for certain he was hacking in-game.
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Sanders on April 03, 2019, 05:39:10 am
Damn they put more effort into these statements than i do into entire essays
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Suns on April 03, 2019, 05:40:07 am
lol.

so claiming what other's think based upon the evidence they believed was credible in their minds upon submission and empirical observation amongst themselves that drove them to find said evidence, means it's a fact to highlight it as "salt."

it's like you're psychic and can automatically read our minds.

if we were salty, we would know about it within ourselves.

but throughout the entire incident our underlying motive was to find the truth, we believed we did, why we submitted what we believed was for the public to see.

but i guess that can be scrutinized very much and labeled as nothing other than "salt."

it's like as if any attempt we make is shot down regardless, utterly, this has not been the first time matt has been accused, the 4th time to be exact.

in my personal opinion, im not so sure how a video would prove a person of hacking with the "full package contents" as i have just learned all of these terms/hacks existed for warband

it's something no one has really heard of or seen before, publicly.

many just would never know how to tell, and that doubt is what would make that hypothetical video obsolete, in our minds it seemed much more incriminating to ask the direct source for info, rather than make a video being at high risk ( in our minds) of being scrutinized and taken with disbelief.

i cant speak for movement, but this is my personal opinion on all of this

im sure all of you can put together what i think about matt through all of this

_________________________________________________________________________________

ive probably typed 5+ essays out of this entire fiasco
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: MATT123456789 on April 03, 2019, 05:42:10 am
The good guys won time to sit back, relax, and reflect on my truly inspirational NW career over a 24 oz can of natty ice
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: JollyCanadian on April 03, 2019, 05:44:07 am
Damn they put more effort into these statements than i do into entire essays
Honestly spent more time on this than my project due tomorrow
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: sidney crosby on April 03, 2019, 05:47:24 am
The good guys won time to sit back, relax, and reflect on my truly inspirational NW career over a 24 oz can of natty ice
isnt that a natty daddy?

happy to have been a part of your great career, it felt like just yesterday we were 60 ping noobs in the LG getting bossed around by theodin.

Maybe it's my time too, what an impact we've made in this game.. truly something else.
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: MATT123456789 on April 03, 2019, 05:53:30 am
The good guys won time to sit back, relax, and reflect on my truly inspirational NW career over a 24 oz can of natty ice
isnt that a natty daddy?

happy to have been a part of your great career, it felt like just yesterday we were 60 ping noobs in the LG getting bossed around by theodin.

Maybe it's my time too, what an impact we've made in this game.. truly something else.

Same man. The rides been great
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: JollyCanadian on April 03, 2019, 06:01:21 am
I got ip banned from TKC...Looks like someone didn't like me snooping
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Zzehth on April 03, 2019, 06:05:23 am
Back in the good old days of this community/game none of this drama existed lol (from what I remember).

I personally have never dueled/talked Matt, but seems normal to me the way he plays.

People will always complain about other players, thats not new but dont get too personal with a kid.

And thats the same group of people that always complain about other players  ::)



I didn't even know you can purchase hacks lol, what a waste of money if you use them in NW  :'(






Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Stroke0fd34th on April 03, 2019, 06:15:46 am
lol.

so claiming what other's think based upon the evidence they believed was credible in their minds upon submission and empirical observation amongst themselves that drove them to find said evidence, means it's a fact to highlight it as "salt."

it's like you're psychic and can automatically read our minds.

if we were salty, we would know about it within ourselves.

but throughout the entire incident our underlying motive was to find the truth, we believed we did, why we submitted what we believed was for the public to see.

but i guess that can be scrutinized very much and labeled as nothing other than "salt."

it's like as if any attempt we make is shot down regardless, utterly, this has not been the first time matt has been accused, the 4th time to be exact.

in my personal opinion, im not so sure how a video would prove a person of hacking with the "full package contents" as i have just learned all of these terms/hacks existed for warband

it's something no one has really heard of or seen before, publicly.

many just would never know how to tell, and that doubt is what would make that hypothetical video obsolete, in our minds it seemed much more incriminating to ask the direct source for info, rather than make a video being at high risk ( in our minds) of being scrutinized and taken with disbelief.

i cant speak for movement, but this is my personal opinion on all of this

im sure all of you can put together what i think about matt through all of this

_________________________________________________________________________________

ive probably typed 5+ essays out of this entire fiasco

My god, I'm actually concerned for your reading comprehension and general level of intelligence.

"If you're going to accuse someone of hacking, at least bring the only real credible evidence, a video. Otherwise, it just looks like salt." <- That's the statement you're so hung up on. 

This was a general statement, not directed at anyone, but applicable to everyone (if I'm being honest, if I had anyone in mind when making that statement, it was Bill). Stating that if someone (anyone) is going to accuse some else of hacking, they should provide solid evidence. Otherwise, their accusation just looks like them being salty. That's just a fact of how their accusation will be perceived. I literally already explained this in another post, which just makes this worse.

Now, instead of doing your best impression of a smart man like you did above, actually use your brain, take in what I'm saying and shut the fuck up. Have some self awareness and realize how  stupid you're making yourself look.

That's enough fse for me tonight, the cringe is just too much.
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: ManiacBullseye on April 03, 2019, 06:21:08 am
After seeing all the evidence I agree that there is nothing that 100% incriminates MATT and I apologize to MATT for being adamantly against him the other day. MATT, I am sorry.

However Godfreid, saying that nothing can ever be proven also means that nothing can be disproven either. Due to no concrete evidence I agree that he is probably clean, or at least we have no way of knowing for sure so we have to assume "innocent until proven guilty."

Also you said yourself that credibility should weigh into the process. I agree which is why a lot of people were siding against MATT because of his past with hacks. People were also suspicious as to why the same person kept having the "hacks argument" raised, when people who had previously hacked did not keep getting accusations, I.E. Vetro. Vetro has been clean since that one incident and not been accused since.

That being said, the only hack I have seen used(to my knowledge) is unblockable, and it was just some random name(probably an alias) that hopped on NA gfing a long time ago. That was relatively easy to spot but I don't know about any others and how easy they are to 100% spot on video.


Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Fwuffy on April 03, 2019, 06:22:57 am
I can't be bothered with reading any of this but it's virtually impossible to prove anyone's cheating (unless MAYBE it's with certain POV recordings) in terms of autoblock or whatever, enjoy.
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: ~NickCole~ on April 03, 2019, 06:23:17 am
I got ip banned from TKC...Looks like someone didn't like me snooping
RIP LOL
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Maple™ on April 03, 2019, 06:30:01 am
There has never been a person in NW who has become a competitive top player through the use of hacks. The only time I've ever seen people hack they're either randoms, trolling, or from native (lul).
Sounds like Suns + whoever in involved in framing Matt is just really salty that he's a good player (maybe a better player even?)
If Matt was more humble/didn't brag about his skill nobody would have any problems with him, the accusers are just coming from a personal level of offense.
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: JollyCanadian on April 03, 2019, 06:37:33 am
There has never been a person in NW who has become a competitive top player through the use of hacks. The only time I've ever seen people hack they're either randoms, trolling, or from native (lul).
Sounds like Suns + whoever in involved in framing Matt is just really salty that he's a good player (maybe a better player even?)
If Matt was more humble/didn't brag about his skill nobody would have any problems with him, the accusers are just coming from a personal level of offense.
It's not really framing when the evidence comes from the guy who sold the hacks. In my post he gave me proof that it was "Matt" but it's difficult to say it really is Matt or someone who used the name. We don't have time stamps so we don't know when the purchase was made. Mr.Frank is also a super sketchy guy so I was doubtful of him.


In the end there is no REAL IN-GAME proof of matt's hacking. I understand them wanting to expose a hacker but in the end there wasn't enough real proof.

That's all I have to say about that.
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Rikkert on April 03, 2019, 07:25:17 am
I can't be bothered with reading any of this but it's virtually impossible to prove anyone's cheating (unless MAYBE it's with certain POV recordings) in terms of autoblock or whatever, enjoy.
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Glenn on April 03, 2019, 07:37:47 am
King of Fortnite, King of defeating cheating allegations, and King of NW


MATT is hands down the greatest video gamer of all time
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Suns on April 03, 2019, 07:53:53 am
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lol.

so claiming what other's think based upon the evidence they believed was credible in their minds upon submission and empirical observation amongst themselves that drove them to find said evidence, means it's a fact to highlight it as "salt."

it's like you're psychic and can automatically read our minds.

if we were salty, we would know about it within ourselves.

but throughout the entire incident our underlying motive was to find the truth, we believed we did, why we submitted what we believed was for the public to see.

but i guess that can be scrutinized very much and labeled as nothing other than "salt."

it's like as if any attempt we make is shot down regardless, utterly, this has not been the first time matt has been accused, the 4th time to be exact.

in my personal opinion, im not so sure how a video would prove a person of hacking with the "full package contents" as i have just learned all of these terms/hacks existed for warband

it's something no one has really heard of or seen before, publicly.

many just would never know how to tell, and that doubt is what would make that hypothetical video obsolete, in our minds it seemed much more incriminating to ask the direct source for info, rather than make a video being at high risk ( in our minds) of being scrutinized and taken with disbelief.

i cant speak for movement, but this is my personal opinion on all of this

im sure all of you can put together what i think about matt through all of this

_________________________________________________________________________________

ive probably typed 5+ essays out of this entire fiasco

My god, I'm actually concerned for your reading comprehension and general level of intelligence.

"If you're going to accuse someone of hacking, at least bring the only real credible evidence, a video. Otherwise, it just looks like salt." <- That's the statement you're so hung up on. 

This was a general statement, not directed at anyone, but applicable to everyone (if I'm being honest, if I had anyone in mind when making that statement, it was Bill). Stating that if someone (anyone) is going to accuse some else of hacking, they should provide solid evidence. Otherwise, their accusation just looks like them being salty. That's just a fact of how their accusation will be perceived. I literally already explained this in another post, which just makes this worse.

Now, instead of doing your best impression of a smart man like you did above, actually use your brain, take in what I'm saying and shut the fuck up. Have some self awareness and realize how  stupid you're making yourself look.

That's enough fse for me tonight, the cringe is just too much.
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haha, it's like you come around once again, as i said before you are being stubborn and reiterating the same point without taking into account much of what i've reiterated through everything

i disagreed with your idea hacks could be proven through video footage and gave several points on it, repeating myself several times why

i would say the most valid point was how new these hacks are to the community, there was not much knowledge on it prior (i did not know altering hitboxes/altering stab speed existed)

if the community has little to no knowledge of certain hacks, there would be doubt they even exist as they are unknown

with that, a video exposing, ill categorize them as "unknown/lesser known hacks," would not be sufficient as the doubt whether the hacks even exist remains

if there's doubt, there is not much you can really do, it will not look convincing to the community

that's why its much simpler (easier, in our minds) to get information on it from the direct source or distributor, of these hacks (Mercenary_Frank)

in the beginning, there was an accusation from you claiming movement and i accused matt in the first place with the underlying motive of "personal salt," you do not need to lie and misinterpret the statement as otherwise after i brought that up.

If you're going to accuse someone of hacking, at least bring the only real credible evidence, a video. Otherwise, it just looks like salt.

I genuinely could not care less what some shady dude who sells hacks says.

movement and i were the ones attempting to provide 'real credible evidence.'

you're directing this not at bill, as he was not the one throwing out the 'real credible evidence.'

that was directed as us, movement and i.

bill had no association with movement or i through this, he only heard about the accusations and felt the need to give his personal insight on what he thought of the entire situation.

at no point did movement or i also use bill as 'real credible evidence' we brought forward, this is another thing you have assumed.

none of my or movements posts presenting evidence on the matter even contained bill within them, i guess your assumptions got ahead of you there  :(

You're going to need to bring something better than that one time a guy [Bill] who accuses people who don't hack of hacking, made a video accusing someone of hacking. There is a certain credibility element to take into account.

you also accused movement and i of not giving a video after i explained why we found the difficulty/inefficiency of providing a video, which i stated was speculation/assumption of how we think/thought

You and movement concluding there's no accurate way to prove someone's hacking through video footage sounds like a convenient way to dodge having to post any significant evidence. As I said before, the receipt was nonsensical garbage that doesn't prove anything.

you think you know how we think.

that's where you're wrong and i pointed that out a while ago.

i explained why it would be considered obsolete as there are many ways to manipulate what goes into videos, (ie: toggle-able abilities, off camera type stuff) it does not paint the full picture

now you can question my intelligence and downplay my argument as if it is not of value and act like the intelligent superior, but if you are questioning my intelligence and playing the intelligence card, why are you even responding to me for so much and so long ::)

i guess claiming another argument is "cringe" and "enough fse for one night" is valid to make an exit, fair enough perspective-wise but w/e.  :-X
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Wardop on April 03, 2019, 08:09:03 am
This thing has been a wild read. Keep it up guys 10/10
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Stroke0fd34th on April 03, 2019, 10:10:06 am
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Spoiler
lol.

so claiming what other's think based upon the evidence they believed was credible in their minds upon submission and empirical observation amongst themselves that drove them to find said evidence, means it's a fact to highlight it as "salt."

it's like you're psychic and can automatically read our minds.

if we were salty, we would know about it within ourselves.

but throughout the entire incident our underlying motive was to find the truth, we believed we did, why we submitted what we believed was for the public to see.

but i guess that can be scrutinized very much and labeled as nothing other than "salt."

it's like as if any attempt we make is shot down regardless, utterly, this has not been the first time matt has been accused, the 4th time to be exact.

in my personal opinion, im not so sure how a video would prove a person of hacking with the "full package contents" as i have just learned all of these terms/hacks existed for warband

it's something no one has really heard of or seen before, publicly.

many just would never know how to tell, and that doubt is what would make that hypothetical video obsolete, in our minds it seemed much more incriminating to ask the direct source for info, rather than make a video being at high risk ( in our minds) of being scrutinized and taken with disbelief.

i cant speak for movement, but this is my personal opinion on all of this

im sure all of you can put together what i think about matt through all of this

_________________________________________________________________________________

ive probably typed 5+ essays out of this entire fiasco

My god, I'm actually concerned for your reading comprehension and general level of intelligence.

"If you're going to accuse someone of hacking, at least bring the only real credible evidence, a video. Otherwise, it just looks like salt." <- That's the statement you're so hung up on. 

This was a general statement, not directed at anyone, but applicable to everyone (if I'm being honest, if I had anyone in mind when making that statement, it was Bill). Stating that if someone (anyone) is going to accuse some else of hacking, they should provide solid evidence. Otherwise, their accusation just looks like them being salty. That's just a fact of how their accusation will be perceived. I literally already explained this in another post, which just makes this worse.

Now, instead of doing your best impression of a smart man like you did above, actually use your brain, take in what I'm saying and shut the fuck up. Have some self awareness and realize how  stupid you're making yourself look.

That's enough fse for me tonight, the cringe is just too much.
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haha, it's like you come around once again, as i said before you are being stubborn and reiterating the same point without taking into account much of what i've reiterated through everything

i disagreed with your idea hacks could be proven through video footage and gave several points on it, repeating myself several times why

i would say the most valid point was how new these hacks are to the community, there was not much knowledge on it prior (i did not know altering hitboxes/altering stab speed existed)

if the community has little to no knowledge of certain hacks, there would be doubt they even exist as they are unknown

with that, a video exposing, ill categorize them as "unknown/lesser known hacks," would not be sufficient as the doubt whether the hacks even exist remains

if there's doubt, there is not much you can really do, it will not look convincing to the community

that's why its much simpler (easier, in our minds) to get information on it from the direct source or distributor, of these hacks (Mercenary_Frank)

in the beginning, there was an accusation from you claiming movement and i accused matt in the first place with the underlying motive of "personal salt," you do not need to lie and misinterpret the statement as otherwise after i brought that up.

If you're going to accuse someone of hacking, at least bring the only real credible evidence, a video. Otherwise, it just looks like salt.

I genuinely could not care less what some shady dude who sells hacks says.

movement and i were the ones attempting to provide 'real credible evidence.'

you're directing this not at bill, as he was not the one throwing out the 'real credible evidence.'

that was directed as us, movement and i.

bill had no association with movement or i through this, he only heard about the accusations and felt the need to give his personal insight on what he thought of the entire situation.

at no point did movement or i also use bill as 'real credible evidence' we brought forward, this is another thing you have assumed.

none of my or movements posts presenting evidence on the matter even contained bill within them, i guess your assumptions got ahead of you there  :(

You're going to need to bring something better than that one time a guy [Bill] who accuses people who don't hack of hacking, made a video accusing someone of hacking. There is a certain credibility element to take into account.

you also accused movement and i of not giving a video after i explained why we found the difficulty/inefficiency of providing a video, which i stated was speculation/assumption of how we think/thought

You and movement concluding there's no accurate way to prove someone's hacking through video footage sounds like a convenient way to dodge having to post any significant evidence. As I said before, the receipt was nonsensical garbage that doesn't prove anything.

you think you know how we think.

that's where you're wrong and i pointed that out a while ago.

i explained why it would be considered obsolete as there are many ways to manipulate what goes into videos, (ie: toggle-able abilities, off camera type stuff) it does not paint the full picture

now you can question my intelligence and downplay my argument as if it is not of value and act like the intelligent superior, but if you are questioning my intelligence and playing the intelligence card, why are you even responding to me for so much and so long ::)

i guess claiming another argument is "cringe" and "enough fse for one night" is valid to make an exit, fair enough perspective-wise but w/e.  :-X
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This is why your reading comprehension and general intelligence level concerns me. You made a post to make yourself feel smart but you really just made yourself look like an even bigger idiot, like I told you you would.

in the beginning, there was an accusation from you claiming movement and i accused matt in the first place with the underlying motive of "personal salt," you do not need to lie and misinterpret the statement as otherwise after i brought that up.

At no point did I make that accusation. I made a general statement that if people are going to accuse someone of hacking, they had best use solid evidence, or else they'll just look salty.

Firstly, I can't misinterpret my own statement, I made the statement, I know how it's supposed to be interpreted, YOU misinterpreted my statement. The sheer arrogance and stupidity you display by claiming I misinterpreted my own statement, and you've got it right, is honestly a level of delusional I had not previously considered I'd have to deal with.

Secondly, why do you think I would feel the need to lie, just because you brought it up? I didn't say any of my other statements weren't directed at you once you brought them up. I have no problem directing statements at you. You're an idiot.

movement and i were the ones attempting to provide 'real credible evidence.'

you're directing this not at bill, as he was not the one throwing out the 'real credible evidence.'

that was directed as us, movement and i.

bill had no association with movement or i through this, he only heard about the accusations and felt the need to give his personal insight on what he thought of the entire situation.

This is why reading comprehension is important. I didn't say I was directing it at Bill. I said I had Bill on my mind when I wrote it, because he's the perfect example of someone who throws out accusations without any proof, and ends up looking like a salty kid as a result. He was it's inspiration, not it's target. I was cautioning people to not be like that.

No, it wasn't directed specifically at you or movement. I've said it enough, it was a general statement.

Good for Bill.

at no point did movement or i also use bill as 'real credible evidence' we brought forward, this is another thing you have assumed.

none of my or movements posts presenting evidence on the matter even contained bill within them, i guess your assumptions got ahead of you there  :(

The irony of these two statements is hilarious and honestly are the perfect example of your stupidity.

Where did I say you guys used Bill as real credible evidence? Or presented evidence containing Bill within them? That's right kids. I didn't. I only said Bill was who I was thinking of when making the statement you're so concerned with. You assumed the wrong thing here friend.

you think you know how we think.

that's where you're wrong and i pointed that out a while ago.

This is pure cringe right here. Do you have a quote for me saying this...or is it another dumb ass assumption? Cause I don't remember saying this.

now you can question my intelligence and downplay my argument as if it is not of value and act like the intelligent superior, but if you are questioning my intelligence and playing the intelligence card, why are you even responding to me for so much and so long ::)

I don't NEED to  (but I will) do any of that, your lack of intelligence and value in your arguments are PAINFULLY obvious to everyone, like fuck you're actually so stupid. Sorry if I'm saying this a lot, but it is both staggering and astounding how stupid you are. Why do I keep responding to you? I've just never seen someone say so much stupid shit and not realize it, I'm curious how long it can go one before you become self aware and stop.

Most of your post isn't even relevant to what you were responding to. All of that toggling and video talk came AFTER I made the post that has you bent so far out of shape (which is why I'm not bothering to respond to those parts).

i guess claiming another argument is "cringe" and "enough fse for one night" is valid to make an exit, fair enough perspective-wise but w/e.  :-X

Not like it's some baseless claim, you have been incredibly cringe. I was actually going to stay off until Risk  told me you responded, and then I saw how stupid it was. Now we're here.

Anyways, in conclusion, for the last time,  it was a general statement I made and wasn't specifically directed at you, or movement, or even Bill. BUT, if you're really this determined to be a little bitch and take it personally, by all means, go ahead and be a little bitch.

And if you choose to keep responding, that's fine, it's entertaining, like watching a car crash compilation. You're just hurting yourself at this point.
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Rikkert on April 03, 2019, 11:26:44 am
Since you boys are just insulting eachother at this point, I'll make a nice conclusion for all people passing by :)
 
-the given evidence is not sufficient as it can too easily be faked.

-even if the chat logs are real it is impossible to tell if Frank is joking or not, and it is impossible to tell if the MATT mentioned in his documentation is this MATT.

-video evidence is completely useless as it is not objective enough to provide a definitive answer. Video's provided by MATT himself are not sufficient as they can easily be edited/MATT can turn his cheats off.
 
-As fwuffy stated it is useless to discuss this as conclusive and definitive evidence is impossible to find. The only real way would be to gain physical acces to his pc, as he is doing something fishy in game. Aka raid his fucking house before he can turn his cheats off/delete them. Or if the warband client had some intrusive anti-cheat system such as ESEA for csgo. As neither of these things are likely to ever happen with a suspected cheater, it is impossible to prove cheats.

-until credible objective evidence surfaces there is nothing incriminating MATT regardless of how much of an arrogant and insufferable prick he is.

/thread
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: |Viper| on April 03, 2019, 01:10:19 pm
I mean they let MATT play in WPC and it went fine.
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Eamon on April 03, 2019, 01:26:16 pm
Who's Frank
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Dren on April 03, 2019, 02:42:22 pm
I can't be bothered with reading any of this but it's virtually impossible to prove anyone's cheating (unless MAYBE it's with certain POV recordings) in terms of autoblock or whatever, enjoy.
U're cheating
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Sleek on April 03, 2019, 04:36:58 pm
Imagine hacking in the first place

Imagine getting baited into writing paragraphs about something as dumb as hacking in mount and blade of all games
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: MATT123456789 on April 03, 2019, 04:41:31 pm
Imagine hacking in the first place

Imagine getting baited into writing paragraphs about something as dumb as hacking in mount and blade of all games

Troll posts i made back in 2017 are still triggering people into writing 5 paragraph essays about me in 2019.

Hell, it even backfired on me and now the troll is triggered as well

My trolling power is too stronk, must cut it before it collapses the whole universe
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Gluk the Walrus on April 03, 2019, 05:58:21 pm
This has been a great read. I appreciate the stupidity on all sides. *claps* Thank you for this.
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Cwater on April 03, 2019, 08:11:51 pm
The drama needs to end soon; I’m running out of popcorn to eat while reading this thread
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Suns on April 03, 2019, 09:05:08 pm
Spoiler
Spoiler
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lol.

so claiming what other's think based upon the evidence they believed was credible in their minds upon submission and empirical observation amongst themselves that drove them to find said evidence, means it's a fact to highlight it as "salt."

it's like you're psychic and can automatically read our minds.

if we were salty, we would know about it within ourselves.

but throughout the entire incident our underlying motive was to find the truth, we believed we did, why we submitted what we believed was for the public to see.

but i guess that can be scrutinized very much and labeled as nothing other than "salt."

it's like as if any attempt we make is shot down regardless, utterly, this has not been the first time matt has been accused, the 4th time to be exact.

in my personal opinion, im not so sure how a video would prove a person of hacking with the "full package contents" as i have just learned all of these terms/hacks existed for warband

it's something no one has really heard of or seen before, publicly.

many just would never know how to tell, and that doubt is what would make that hypothetical video obsolete, in our minds it seemed much more incriminating to ask the direct source for info, rather than make a video being at high risk ( in our minds) of being scrutinized and taken with disbelief.

i cant speak for movement, but this is my personal opinion on all of this

im sure all of you can put together what i think about matt through all of this

_________________________________________________________________________________

ive probably typed 5+ essays out of this entire fiasco

My god, I'm actually concerned for your reading comprehension and general level of intelligence.

"If you're going to accuse someone of hacking, at least bring the only real credible evidence, a video. Otherwise, it just looks like salt." <- That's the statement you're so hung up on. 

This was a general statement, not directed at anyone, but applicable to everyone (if I'm being honest, if I had anyone in mind when making that statement, it was Bill). Stating that if someone (anyone) is going to accuse some else of hacking, they should provide solid evidence. Otherwise, their accusation just looks like them being salty. That's just a fact of how their accusation will be perceived. I literally already explained this in another post, which just makes this worse.

Now, instead of doing your best impression of a smart man like you did above, actually use your brain, take in what I'm saying and shut the fuck up. Have some self awareness and realize how  stupid you're making yourself look.

That's enough fse for me tonight, the cringe is just too much.
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haha, it's like you come around once again, as i said before you are being stubborn and reiterating the same point without taking into account much of what i've reiterated through everything

i disagreed with your idea hacks could be proven through video footage and gave several points on it, repeating myself several times why

i would say the most valid point was how new these hacks are to the community, there was not much knowledge on it prior (i did not know altering hitboxes/altering stab speed existed)

if the community has little to no knowledge of certain hacks, there would be doubt they even exist as they are unknown

with that, a video exposing, ill categorize them as "unknown/lesser known hacks," would not be sufficient as the doubt whether the hacks even exist remains

if there's doubt, there is not much you can really do, it will not look convincing to the community

that's why its much simpler (easier, in our minds) to get information on it from the direct source or distributor, of these hacks (Mercenary_Frank)

in the beginning, there was an accusation from you claiming movement and i accused matt in the first place with the underlying motive of "personal salt," you do not need to lie and misinterpret the statement as otherwise after i brought that up.

If you're going to accuse someone of hacking, at least bring the only real credible evidence, a video. Otherwise, it just looks like salt.

I genuinely could not care less what some shady dude who sells hacks says.

movement and i were the ones attempting to provide 'real credible evidence.'

you're directing this not at bill, as he was not the one throwing out the 'real credible evidence.'

that was directed as us, movement and i.

bill had no association with movement or i through this, he only heard about the accusations and felt the need to give his personal insight on what he thought of the entire situation.

at no point did movement or i also use bill as 'real credible evidence' we brought forward, this is another thing you have assumed.

none of my or movements posts presenting evidence on the matter even contained bill within them, i guess your assumptions got ahead of you there  :(

You're going to need to bring something better than that one time a guy [Bill] who accuses people who don't hack of hacking, made a video accusing someone of hacking. There is a certain credibility element to take into account.

you also accused movement and i of not giving a video after i explained why we found the difficulty/inefficiency of providing a video, which i stated was speculation/assumption of how we think/thought

You and movement concluding there's no accurate way to prove someone's hacking through video footage sounds like a convenient way to dodge having to post any significant evidence. As I said before, the receipt was nonsensical garbage that doesn't prove anything.

you think you know how we think.

that's where you're wrong and i pointed that out a while ago.

i explained why it would be considered obsolete as there are many ways to manipulate what goes into videos, (ie: toggle-able abilities, off camera type stuff) it does not paint the full picture

now you can question my intelligence and downplay my argument as if it is not of value and act like the intelligent superior, but if you are questioning my intelligence and playing the intelligence card, why are you even responding to me for so much and so long ::)

i guess claiming another argument is "cringe" and "enough fse for one night" is valid to make an exit, fair enough perspective-wise but w/e.  :-X
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This is why your reading comprehension and general intelligence level concerns me. You made a post to make yourself feel smart but you really just made yourself look like an even bigger idiot, like I told you you would.

in the beginning, there was an accusation from you claiming movement and i accused matt in the first place with the underlying motive of "personal salt," you do not need to lie and misinterpret the statement as otherwise after i brought that up.

At no point did I make that accusation. I made a general statement that if people are going to accuse someone of hacking, they had best use solid evidence, or else they'll just look salty.

Firstly, I can't misinterpret my own statement, I made the statement, I know how it's supposed to be interpreted, YOU misinterpreted my statement. The sheer arrogance and stupidity you display by claiming I misinterpreted my own statement, and you've got it right, is honestly a level of delusional I had not previously considered I'd have to deal with.

Secondly, why do you think I would feel the need to lie, just because you brought it up? I didn't say any of my other statements weren't directed at you once you brought them up. I have no problem directing statements at you. You're an idiot.

movement and i were the ones attempting to provide 'real credible evidence.'

you're directing this not at bill, as he was not the one throwing out the 'real credible evidence.'

that was directed as us, movement and i.

bill had no association with movement or i through this, he only heard about the accusations and felt the need to give his personal insight on what he thought of the entire situation.

This is why reading comprehension is important. I didn't say I was directing it at Bill. I said I had Bill on my mind when I wrote it, because he's the perfect example of someone who throws out accusations without any proof, and ends up looking like a salty kid as a result. He was it's inspiration, not it's target. I was cautioning people to not be like that.

No, it wasn't directed specifically at you or movement. I've said it enough, it was a general statement.

Good for Bill.

at no point did movement or i also use bill as 'real credible evidence' we brought forward, this is another thing you have assumed.

none of my or movements posts presenting evidence on the matter even contained bill within them, i guess your assumptions got ahead of you there  :(

The irony of these two statements is hilarious and honestly are the perfect example of your stupidity.

Where did I say you guys used Bill as real credible evidence? Or presented evidence containing Bill within them? That's right kids. I didn't. I only said Bill was who I was thinking of when making the statement you're so concerned with. You assumed the wrong thing here friend.

you think you know how we think.

that's where you're wrong and i pointed that out a while ago.

This is pure cringe right here. Do you have a quote for me saying this...or is it another dumb ass assumption? Cause I don't remember saying this.

now you can question my intelligence and downplay my argument as if it is not of value and act like the intelligent superior, but if you are questioning my intelligence and playing the intelligence card, why are you even responding to me for so much and so long ::)

I don't NEED to  (but I will) do any of that, your lack of intelligence and value in your arguments are PAINFULLY obvious to everyone, like fuck you're actually so stupid. Sorry if I'm saying this a lot, but it is both staggering and astounding how stupid you are. Why do I keep responding to you? I've just never seen someone say so much stupid shit and not realize it, I'm curious how long it can go one before you become self aware and stop.

Most of your post isn't even relevant to what you were responding to. All of that toggling and video talk came AFTER I made the post that has you bent so far out of shape (which is why I'm not bothering to respond to those parts).

i guess claiming another argument is "cringe" and "enough fse for one night" is valid to make an exit, fair enough perspective-wise but w/e.  :-X

Not like it's some baseless claim, you have been incredibly cringe. I was actually going to stay off until Risk  told me you responded, and then I saw how stupid it was. Now we're here.

Anyways, in conclusion, for the last time,  it was a general statement I made and wasn't specifically directed at you, or movement, or even Bill. BUT, if you're really this determined to be a little bitch and take it personally, by all means, go ahead and be a little bitch.

And if you choose to keep responding, that's fine, it's entertaining, like watching a car crash compilation. You're just hurting yourself at this point.
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lol, you haven't really examined what i said but reiterated the same thing, just in different wording (as i said before, its the stubborn trait)

this is like when vetro tries to sneak diss and once you press him about it he uses the "i made the statement so i can interpret it anyway i want, the way you interpret it is a misinterpretation"

you are displaying some vetro-esque qualities, but enough of that

_________________________________________________________________________________

Spoiler
Since you boys are just insulting eachother at this point, I'll make a nice conclusion for all people passing by :)
 
-the given evidence is not sufficient as it can too easily be faked.

-even if the chat logs are real it is impossible to tell if Frank is joking or not, and it is impossible to tell if the MATT mentioned in his documentation is this MATT.

-video evidence is completely useless as it is not objective enough to provide a definitive answer. Video's provided by MATT himself are not sufficient as they can easily be edited/MATT can turn his cheats off.
 
-As fwuffy stated it is useless to discuss this as conclusive and definitive evidence is impossible to find. The only real way would be to gain physical acces to his pc, as he is doing something fishy in game. Aka raid his fucking house before he can turn his cheats off/delete them. Or if the warband client had some intrusive anti-cheat system such as ESEA for csgo. As neither of these things are likely to ever happen with a suspected cheater, it is impossible to prove cheats.

-until credible objective evidence surfaces there is nothing incriminating MATT regardless of how much of an arrogant and insufferable prick he is.

/thread

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yeah i agree, and this is what i've been attempting to explain my position on the entire time.

there are many things going off-camera, production of a video would obviously edit out any obvious faults and the purpose would be to instill doubt (if the producer of the video is the accused, obviously)

and yeah, since there really is no safeguards against cheating in this engine (compared to csgo), the only real way other than getting a confession out of the accused (lol), is to raid their house/confiscate their game files etc (maybe even a program like teamviewer, but then again the hacking program if it does *exist* on the accused' pc, it could just be deleted prior to teamviewer starting)

bottom line however, i think it's fair to say if this game did have safeguards for the engine similar to games like csgo, matt would have been banned already, a long time ago.

this is the 4th time he has been accused of cheating

but he has been caught twice for cheating in the past (he admitted to using autoblock in early 2017 and using unblockable as "Klinger" in the 45e late 2017 - early 2018) these were brought up in Jorge's Twitch 5v5 nearly a year ago.

at the same time, he has been seen using an account on TKC asking for hacks in the past.

(another scenario) if the leagues in this game operated like eSports leagues (Jorge's Twitch 5v5 got the closest on NA to that), previous offenses in the past would have not been taken lightly (goes for not only MATT who has been caught cheating twice, but any others in the community who have been caught cheating at least once) as it is very easy to get banned off eSports leagues once hacking accusations are deemed confirmed (and these bans are permanent or long-lasting)

the conclusion of all the 'evidence' gathered and testimonies of everyone etc is really up to the viewer to discern whether they personally believe matt is hacking or not, it's up to individual perspective at this point as there is nothing sufficiently 100% undeniable presented
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Stroke0fd34th on April 04, 2019, 12:48:11 am
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lol.

so claiming what other's think based upon the evidence they believed was credible in their minds upon submission and empirical observation amongst themselves that drove them to find said evidence, means it's a fact to highlight it as "salt."

it's like you're psychic and can automatically read our minds.

if we were salty, we would know about it within ourselves.

but throughout the entire incident our underlying motive was to find the truth, we believed we did, why we submitted what we believed was for the public to see.

but i guess that can be scrutinized very much and labeled as nothing other than "salt."

it's like as if any attempt we make is shot down regardless, utterly, this has not been the first time matt has been accused, the 4th time to be exact.

in my personal opinion, im not so sure how a video would prove a person of hacking with the "full package contents" as i have just learned all of these terms/hacks existed for warband

it's something no one has really heard of or seen before, publicly.

many just would never know how to tell, and that doubt is what would make that hypothetical video obsolete, in our minds it seemed much more incriminating to ask the direct source for info, rather than make a video being at high risk ( in our minds) of being scrutinized and taken with disbelief.

i cant speak for movement, but this is my personal opinion on all of this

im sure all of you can put together what i think about matt through all of this

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ive probably typed 5+ essays out of this entire fiasco

My god, I'm actually concerned for your reading comprehension and general level of intelligence.

"If you're going to accuse someone of hacking, at least bring the only real credible evidence, a video. Otherwise, it just looks like salt." <- That's the statement you're so hung up on. 

This was a general statement, not directed at anyone, but applicable to everyone (if I'm being honest, if I had anyone in mind when making that statement, it was Bill). Stating that if someone (anyone) is going to accuse some else of hacking, they should provide solid evidence. Otherwise, their accusation just looks like them being salty. That's just a fact of how their accusation will be perceived. I literally already explained this in another post, which just makes this worse.

Now, instead of doing your best impression of a smart man like you did above, actually use your brain, take in what I'm saying and shut the fuck up. Have some self awareness and realize how  stupid you're making yourself look.

That's enough fse for me tonight, the cringe is just too much.
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haha, it's like you come around once again, as i said before you are being stubborn and reiterating the same point without taking into account much of what i've reiterated through everything

i disagreed with your idea hacks could be proven through video footage and gave several points on it, repeating myself several times why

i would say the most valid point was how new these hacks are to the community, there was not much knowledge on it prior (i did not know altering hitboxes/altering stab speed existed)

if the community has little to no knowledge of certain hacks, there would be doubt they even exist as they are unknown

with that, a video exposing, ill categorize them as "unknown/lesser known hacks," would not be sufficient as the doubt whether the hacks even exist remains

if there's doubt, there is not much you can really do, it will not look convincing to the community

that's why its much simpler (easier, in our minds) to get information on it from the direct source or distributor, of these hacks (Mercenary_Frank)

in the beginning, there was an accusation from you claiming movement and i accused matt in the first place with the underlying motive of "personal salt," you do not need to lie and misinterpret the statement as otherwise after i brought that up.

If you're going to accuse someone of hacking, at least bring the only real credible evidence, a video. Otherwise, it just looks like salt.

I genuinely could not care less what some shady dude who sells hacks says.

movement and i were the ones attempting to provide 'real credible evidence.'

you're directing this not at bill, as he was not the one throwing out the 'real credible evidence.'

that was directed as us, movement and i.

bill had no association with movement or i through this, he only heard about the accusations and felt the need to give his personal insight on what he thought of the entire situation.

at no point did movement or i also use bill as 'real credible evidence' we brought forward, this is another thing you have assumed.

none of my or movements posts presenting evidence on the matter even contained bill within them, i guess your assumptions got ahead of you there  :(

You're going to need to bring something better than that one time a guy [Bill] who accuses people who don't hack of hacking, made a video accusing someone of hacking. There is a certain credibility element to take into account.

you also accused movement and i of not giving a video after i explained why we found the difficulty/inefficiency of providing a video, which i stated was speculation/assumption of how we think/thought

You and movement concluding there's no accurate way to prove someone's hacking through video footage sounds like a convenient way to dodge having to post any significant evidence. As I said before, the receipt was nonsensical garbage that doesn't prove anything.

you think you know how we think.

that's where you're wrong and i pointed that out a while ago.

i explained why it would be considered obsolete as there are many ways to manipulate what goes into videos, (ie: toggle-able abilities, off camera type stuff) it does not paint the full picture

now you can question my intelligence and downplay my argument as if it is not of value and act like the intelligent superior, but if you are questioning my intelligence and playing the intelligence card, why are you even responding to me for so much and so long ::)

i guess claiming another argument is "cringe" and "enough fse for one night" is valid to make an exit, fair enough perspective-wise but w/e.  :-X
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This is why your reading comprehension and general intelligence level concerns me. You made a post to make yourself feel smart but you really just made yourself look like an even bigger idiot, like I told you you would.

in the beginning, there was an accusation from you claiming movement and i accused matt in the first place with the underlying motive of "personal salt," you do not need to lie and misinterpret the statement as otherwise after i brought that up.

At no point did I make that accusation. I made a general statement that if people are going to accuse someone of hacking, they had best use solid evidence, or else they'll just look salty.

Firstly, I can't misinterpret my own statement, I made the statement, I know how it's supposed to be interpreted, YOU misinterpreted my statement. The sheer arrogance and stupidity you display by claiming I misinterpreted my own statement, and you've got it right, is honestly a level of delusional I had not previously considered I'd have to deal with.

Secondly, why do you think I would feel the need to lie, just because you brought it up? I didn't say any of my other statements weren't directed at you once you brought them up. I have no problem directing statements at you. You're an idiot.

movement and i were the ones attempting to provide 'real credible evidence.'

you're directing this not at bill, as he was not the one throwing out the 'real credible evidence.'

that was directed as us, movement and i.

bill had no association with movement or i through this, he only heard about the accusations and felt the need to give his personal insight on what he thought of the entire situation.

This is why reading comprehension is important. I didn't say I was directing it at Bill. I said I had Bill on my mind when I wrote it, because he's the perfect example of someone who throws out accusations without any proof, and ends up looking like a salty kid as a result. He was it's inspiration, not it's target. I was cautioning people to not be like that.

No, it wasn't directed specifically at you or movement. I've said it enough, it was a general statement.

Good for Bill.

at no point did movement or i also use bill as 'real credible evidence' we brought forward, this is another thing you have assumed.

none of my or movements posts presenting evidence on the matter even contained bill within them, i guess your assumptions got ahead of you there  :(

The irony of these two statements is hilarious and honestly are the perfect example of your stupidity.

Where did I say you guys used Bill as real credible evidence? Or presented evidence containing Bill within them? That's right kids. I didn't. I only said Bill was who I was thinking of when making the statement you're so concerned with. You assumed the wrong thing here friend.

you think you know how we think.

that's where you're wrong and i pointed that out a while ago.

This is pure cringe right here. Do you have a quote for me saying this...or is it another dumb ass assumption? Cause I don't remember saying this.

now you can question my intelligence and downplay my argument as if it is not of value and act like the intelligent superior, but if you are questioning my intelligence and playing the intelligence card, why are you even responding to me for so much and so long ::)

I don't NEED to  (but I will) do any of that, your lack of intelligence and value in your arguments are PAINFULLY obvious to everyone, like fuck you're actually so stupid. Sorry if I'm saying this a lot, but it is both staggering and astounding how stupid you are. Why do I keep responding to you? I've just never seen someone say so much stupid shit and not realize it, I'm curious how long it can go one before you become self aware and stop.

Most of your post isn't even relevant to what you were responding to. All of that toggling and video talk came AFTER I made the post that has you bent so far out of shape (which is why I'm not bothering to respond to those parts).

i guess claiming another argument is "cringe" and "enough fse for one night" is valid to make an exit, fair enough perspective-wise but w/e.  :-X

Not like it's some baseless claim, you have been incredibly cringe. I was actually going to stay off until Risk  told me you responded, and then I saw how stupid it was. Now we're here.

Anyways, in conclusion, for the last time,  it was a general statement I made and wasn't specifically directed at you, or movement, or even Bill. BUT, if you're really this determined to be a little bitch and take it personally, by all means, go ahead and be a little bitch.

And if you choose to keep responding, that's fine, it's entertaining, like watching a car crash compilation. You're just hurting yourself at this point.
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lol, you haven't really examined what i said but reiterated the same thing, just in different wording (as i said before, its the stubborn trait)

this is like when vetro tries to sneak diss and once you press him about it he uses the "i made the statement so i can interpret it anyway i want, the way you interpret it is a misinterpretation"

you are displaying some vetro-esque qualities, but enough of that

Not only are you delusional beyond reason, you are also either the most stupid person within the NW community, or you have a genuine learning disability. If the latter, I apologize for being so harsh with you in my previous posts (and this one). If you don't have a learning disability though, then you are honestly a true indictment of California's public school system, and should seriously consider quitting NW and talking to your parents about getting a tutor (if you already have one, fire them, they're failing you), because shit is not looking good for you.

Like honestly, take a deep breath, relax, use your brain, I've got time to work through this with you. I've made multiple statements directed at you, a lot less nice than just calling you salty, none of which I've pretended weren't directed at you. What then would make you believe I  feel the need to lie about calling you salty? Not like I have a history of backtracking on statements I've made at people...why do you think you're so special that I would suddenly change? Just accept you misinterpreted me, and we can move on. Don't even need to apologize.
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Cwater on April 04, 2019, 12:55:01 am
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yeah i agree, and this is what i've been attempting to explain my position on the entire time.

there are many things going off-camera, production of a video would obviously edit out any obvious faults and the purpose would be to instill doubt (if the producer of the video is the accused, obviously)



now, lets look at one of his earlier posts



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the contents in the "full package" are difficult to record and prove from a perspective other than the person being accused (my perspective)




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the only real way to prove someone is hacking through perspective is to take a video, though it is difficult to pinpoint what hack is being used unless it is unblockable (right sideblocking exposes it)



now this



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Frank even gave a screenshot of MATT's "receipt of purchase".

https://i.snag.gy/KzTy5x.jpg

(blurred out is his credit card info)

i would just like to reiterate this is the most concrete and undeniable evidence matt has been hacking.



remember



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the only real thing left is just to wait until the investigation completes, it's dumb speculating and assuming until everything is sorted thoroughly.



lets take a trip back to this






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tl;dr, matt has been exposed for hacking and purchasing the $120 "full package" by Mercenary_Frank.



and these



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and yeah, since there really is no safeguards against cheating in this engine (compared to csgo), the only real way other than getting a confession out of the accused (lol), is to raid their house/confiscate their game files etc (maybe even a program like teamviewer, but then again the hacking program if it does *exist* on the accused' pc, it could just be deleted prior to teamviewer starting)





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bottom line however, i think it's fair to say if this game did have safeguards for the engine similar to games like csgo, matt would have been banned already, a long time ago.



hmm solid points, although I might add, I made it to MGE in csgo in 200 hours, with 30 fps, a 18 inch laptop, and no mousepad....

but I have no vac bans on my account....



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and look at what he's said about cheaters....



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Shouldve had the cheat maker sign a confidentially agreement  matthew you low life cheater....




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Bill slayed this cheating piece of shit years ago...told bill himself he was using auto.





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Matt the jig is up go find another game to cheat and harass people on for attention






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how come when Bill made the autoblocking video of MATT in 2017 no one paid attention too it, no one believed it.



when was this?


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also I would post evidence that suns was frauding the whole time about "new information and evidence that irretefutable proof that matts cheating, but i cant post it cuz the mods wont let me"

but jolly told me i cant post our steam chat logs so RIP , youll just have to take my word for it, jolly said suns doesnt know anything and hes bullshitting

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also

frank told jolly that there was also a $150 cheat, that only the kids who wanted to win the MOST bought.

so you're wrong, im not that desperate, i only bought the $120, not the super deluxe XXL uber cheat.

lmao you guys got trolled so hard
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Aaaaaaaaaaand there goes my popcorn, lemme just Amazon prime a few more barrels
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: |Viper| on April 04, 2019, 04:14:56 am
When Sun's loses an argument he always brings me into it so he can try something else to get out of his hole. My god you're a loser.
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: MATT123456789 on April 04, 2019, 04:18:17 am
When Sun's loses an argument he always brings me into it so he can try something else to get out of his hole. My god you're a loser.

now he will go and pretend to be freinds with everyone and be extra nice for a couple weeks before being a jackass again
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Sanders on April 04, 2019, 04:23:24 am
I want more essays to read
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Sgt.Winters on April 04, 2019, 04:41:50 am
I would annihilate Vetro's tight boy pussy but I fear doing so would send him back to the Stone Age.
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: |Viper| on April 04, 2019, 04:51:41 am
Nice!
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Sanders on April 04, 2019, 05:08:43 am
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Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: ~NickCole~ on April 04, 2019, 05:16:40 am
This is a good read
Title: Re: Suns slobbing on my dick again LOL!
Post by: Sgt.Winters on April 04, 2019, 05:59:16 am

Hey Vetro when you get ready for bed at night, cuddled up next to your stuffed giraffe and under the sheets, always remember this...


I HAD TO FUCKING EDIT THIS SHIT FOR CASUALTY GIVE ME A BREAK THANKS

























I fucking own you
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: JollyCanadian on April 04, 2019, 06:20:09 am
This thread is getting weird

Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Wardop on April 04, 2019, 07:19:35 am
Still really not sure where winters fits into all this
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: ~NickCole~ on April 04, 2019, 08:02:07 am
Still really not sure where winters fits into all this
Winters is Vetro's dad basically
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: David_Schrein on April 04, 2019, 08:37:29 am
Vetro stfu. If 93rd people are going to respond to this u will end up saying "IM SO MAD RNNNNNN" on ts and all that. U already got 7-0d by raf last time on ts.
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Wardop on April 04, 2019, 09:04:03 am
Still really not sure where winters fits into all this
Winters is Vetro's dad basically
Always had him pegged for an orphan. No offense vetro
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: ~Midnight~ on April 04, 2019, 01:05:01 pm
Still really not sure where winters fits into all this
Winters is Vetro's dad basically
Always had him pegged for an orphan. No offense vetro

Winters is also on a LOT of Crack.
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Theodin on April 04, 2019, 03:13:15 pm
Still really not sure where winters fits into all this
This is also my question
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Sgt.Winters on April 04, 2019, 05:46:49 pm
Still really not sure where winters fits into all this
Let me lay it out for you in a manner that is digestive and based (somewhat) on fact based, empirical evidence.

Judging from the photos I have received from Vetro in the past several years, I can estimate that his BMI averages out somewhere between a 29,9 to a 35 (the normal range is an 18,5 to a 24,9), so he is already wayyyyy over where he needs to be in order to be considered physically fit for long term, strenuous tasks of manual labor. To add on top of that, his situation is only deteriorating. Constant anger outbursts, lack of cognitive ability, and a sudden slur of speech are major indicators of a serious health condition.

The prognosis could be good (a minor migraine, gastroesophageal reflux disease, arrhythmia, etc...), or it good be an indicator of something far more grim (benign tumor pressing against his frontal lobe, hypertension leading to narrow blood vessels, or an inflamed appendix on the verge of bursting). I digress however, with my main concern being that all of these factors may contribute to the uncertainty of a myocardial infarction.

My reasoning behind this possibility is that Vetro gets mad, very mad, far too often. This can put great stress on the heart, leading to a variety of chemicals rushing through the brain that trigger negative reactions throughout the body, especially for a man of his size. The anger that he expresses results in an increased heart rate, accelerating the amount of blood needed for the body to maintain at a conscious functioning level. Now, considering his diet (which by observation alone indicates is NOT healthy) has been continued for an extensive period, this can lead to serious plaque buildup in his arteries, high blood pressure, and an increased chance of a pulmonary embolism (blood clot that blocks crucial air flow from the lungs).

My main goal here is to try and keep Vetro calm through my own methods, as I have been able to deduce his sexual preferences (of which I will not be getting into) through over 200 hours of discussion with him on a variety of topics. I've carefully constructed a method of conversation that releases serotonin and dopamine (neurotransmitters commonly associated with joy and happiness) at just the right amount that it eases tension in his body. So really I'm just making sure Vetro doesn't head straight off a cliff, and as for his diet, that is wholly his responsibility (I've already tried to reason with him on it, but no progress has ever been made).

Also this strain of weed, affectionately called Pineapple Express, is really amazing stuff. It has a sweet mix of tropical flavors that include guava, apple, pineapple, mango, and many more! It's highly relaxing, although I'd advise you drink water in short bursts, as your mouth will feel like the Mojave during July. Highly recommend, go check it out on Leafly!
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: MATT123456789 on April 04, 2019, 05:51:34 pm
Still really not sure where winters fits into all this
Let me lay it out for you in a manner that is digestive and based (somewhat) on fact based, empirical evidence.

Judging from the photos I have received from Vetro in the past several years, I can estimate that his BMI averages out somewhere between a 29,9 to a 35 (the normal range is an 18,5 to a 24,9), so he is already wayyyyy over where he needs to be in order to be considered physically fit for long term, strenuous tasks of manual labor. To add on top of that, his situation is only deteriorating. Constant anger outbursts, lack of cognitive ability, and a sudden slur of speech are major indicators of a serious health condition.

The prognosis could be good (a minor migraine, gastroesophageal reflux disease, arrhythmia, etc...), or it good be an indicator of something far more grim (benign tumor pressing against his frontal lobe, hypertension leading to narrow blood vessels, or an inflamed appendix on the verge of bursting). I digress however, with my main concern being that all of these factors may contribute to the uncertainty of a myocardial infarction.

My reasoning behind this possibility is that Vetro gets mad, very mad, far too often. This can put great stress on the heart, leading to a variety of chemicals rushing through the brain that trigger negative reactions throughout the body, especially for a man of his size. The anger that he expresses results in an increased heart rate, accelerating the amount of blood needed for the body to maintain at a conscious functioning level. Now, considering his diet (which by observation alone indicates is NOT healthy) has been continued for an extensive period, this can lead to serious plaque buildup in his arteries, high blood pressure, and an increased chance of a pulmonary embolism (blood clot that blocks crucial air flow from the lungs).

My main goal here is to try and keep Vetro calm through my own methods, as I have been able to deduce his sexual preferences (of which I will not be getting into) through over 200 hours of discussion with him on a variety of topics. I've carefully constructed a method of conversation that releases serotonin and dopamine (neurotransmitters commonly associated with joy and happiness) at just the right amount that it eases tension in his body. So really I'm just making sure Vetro doesn't head straight off a cliff, and as for his diet, that is wholly his responsibility (I've already tried to reason with him on it, but no progress has ever been made).

Also this strain of weed, affectionately called Pineapple Express, is really amazing stuff. It has a sweet mix of tropical flavors that include guava, apple, pineapple, mango, and many more! It's highly relaxing, although I'd advise you drink water in short bursts, as your mouth will feel like the Mojave during July. Highly recommend, go check it out on Leafly!

Please diagnose suns now.
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: ~NickCole~ on April 04, 2019, 06:02:13 pm
I didn't realize this was a Dr. Phil episode.
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Windflower on April 04, 2019, 07:56:04 pm
Winters' cognitive ability while baked is really impressive tbh
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: ~Midnight~ on April 04, 2019, 07:57:51 pm
Winters' cognitive ability while baked is really impressive tbh
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: MATT123456789 on April 04, 2019, 08:25:44 pm
Winters' cognitive ability while baked is really impressive tbh

thats what being baked does it makes you more creative
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Windflower on April 04, 2019, 08:29:30 pm
Winters' cognitive ability while baked is really impressive tbh

thats what being baked does it makes you more creative

Depending on the strain
Winters smoking that top of the line bud out here
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Glenn on April 04, 2019, 08:41:12 pm
Winters' cognitive ability while baked is really impressive tbh

Baked Winters > Crackhead Winters > Winters
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Moraine on April 04, 2019, 08:54:45 pm
Winters' cognitive ability while baked is really impressive tbh
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Wursti on April 04, 2019, 10:47:01 pm
Autoblock 1v1 anyone?
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Sgt.Winters on April 04, 2019, 11:46:20 pm
I didn't realize this was a Dr. Phil episode.
Dr Phil is a psychologist not a physician you six piece Chicken Mcfuckstick
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: StevenChilton on April 05, 2019, 12:11:34 am
Hmmm, so I got kind of invested in this thread after reading the essays and did some digging.

1) I downloaded an autoblocker off a hacking site and tried it out. The one I got is very basic, where you have to manually block in time but it'll automatically go in the right direction. That's almost impossible to detect because it doesn't make you perfect but obviously gives you a massive advantage over normal players.

2) There are loads of users with long NW related posting histories on those hacking forums, so I assume that there are plenty of people well known in this community who use hacks. It's not just random, casual players.

3) From what I can see there's not enough evidence to prove the allegations so MATT remains innocent until proven guilty.

I strongly suspect that there are plenty of people getting 'help' from basic, lightweight hacking tools like the one I tried. They won't make you immortal (and therefore easy to spot) but will massively improve your k/d ratio.
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Theodin on April 05, 2019, 02:55:47 am
Hmmm, so I got kind of invested in this thread after reading the essays and did some digging.

1) I downloaded an autoblocker off a hacking site and tried it out. The one I got is very basic, where you have to manually block in time but it'll automatically go in the right direction. That's almost impossible to detect because it doesn't make you perfect but obviously gives you a massive advantage over normal players.

2) There are loads of users with long NW related posting histories on those hacking forums, so I assume that there are plenty of people well known in this community who use hacks. It's not just random, casual players.

3) From what I can see there's not enough evidence to prove the allegations so MATT remains innocent until proven guilty.

I strongly suspect that there are plenty of people getting 'help' from basic, lightweight hacking tools like the one I tried. They won't make you immortal (and therefore easy to spot) but will massively improve your k/d ratio.
I love that you still have that cat as your avatar. Was that BabyJ's cat? I don't remember. I just remember everyone made their profile picture that cat
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: BabyJesus on April 05, 2019, 03:15:08 am
Hmmm, so I got kind of invested in this thread after reading the essays and did some digging.

1) I downloaded an autoblocker off a hacking site and tried it out. The one I got is very basic, where you have to manually block in time but it'll automatically go in the right direction. That's almost impossible to detect because it doesn't make you perfect but obviously gives you a massive advantage over normal players.

2) There are loads of users with long NW related posting histories on those hacking forums, so I assume that there are plenty of people well known in this community who use hacks. It's not just random, casual players.

3) From what I can see there's not enough evidence to prove the allegations so MATT remains innocent until proven guilty.

I strongly suspect that there are plenty of people getting 'help' from basic, lightweight hacking tools like the one I tried. They won't make you immortal (and therefore easy to spot) but will massively improve your k/d ratio.
I love that you still have that cat as your avatar. Was that BabyJ's cat? I don't remember. I just remember everyone made their profile picture that cat
it was dans cat
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Theodin on April 05, 2019, 04:52:27 am
Hmmm, so I got kind of invested in this thread after reading the essays and did some digging.

1) I downloaded an autoblocker off a hacking site and tried it out. The one I got is very basic, where you have to manually block in time but it'll automatically go in the right direction. That's almost impossible to detect because it doesn't make you perfect but obviously gives you a massive advantage over normal players.

2) There are loads of users with long NW related posting histories on those hacking forums, so I assume that there are plenty of people well known in this community who use hacks. It's not just random, casual players.

3) From what I can see there's not enough evidence to prove the allegations so MATT remains innocent until proven guilty.

I strongly suspect that there are plenty of people getting 'help' from basic, lightweight hacking tools like the one I tried. They won't make you immortal (and therefore easy to spot) but will massively improve your k/d ratio.
I love that you still have that cat as your avatar. Was that BabyJ's cat? I don't remember. I just remember everyone made their profile picture that cat
it was dans cat
Oh yeah
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: MATT123456789 on April 05, 2019, 05:46:55 am
Hmmm, so I got kind of invested in this thread after reading the essays and did some digging.

1) I downloaded an autoblocker off a hacking site and tried it out. The one I got is very basic, where you have to manually block in time but it'll automatically go in the right direction. That's almost impossible to detect because it doesn't make you perfect but obviously gives you a massive advantage over normal players.

2) There are loads of users with long NW related posting histories on those hacking forums, so I assume that there are plenty of people well known in this community who use hacks. It's not just random, casual players.

3) From what I can see there's not enough evidence to prove the allegations so MATT remains innocent until proven guilty.

I strongly suspect that there are plenty of people getting 'help' from basic, lightweight hacking tools like the one I tried. They won't make you immortal (and therefore easy to spot) but will massively improve your k/d ratio.

Im sirry but you must be a noob

Nw is nt about blockinf the right direction, its abput timing up your stabs, so autoblock wont help u get kills
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: Wastee on April 05, 2019, 06:06:20 am
https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/national-international/Drunk-Men-Wearing-Bulletproof-Vests-Arrested-508062661.html?_osource=SocialFlowFB_MIBrand&fbclid=IwAR2bpiw6jgiunaW_ZKoEVl1tppOZL2o7W-mxE_DAw6rU9sIZCW9s4xw24oI
Title: Re: Matt's Hacking allegations
Post by: JollyCanadian on April 05, 2019, 06:11:39 am
Tbh people are just shit posting and beefing so I'm gonna lock the thread. Matt isn't cheating as far as we can tell so get over it.