And Bolivia isn't even a nation. It's just a region named after Simón Bolívar.
Nation has various meanings, and the meaning has changed over time. The concept of "nation" is related to "ethnic community" or ethnie.
Maybe he's talkin' about the napoleonic times?Does this list regard to the Napoleonic Wars?
I'll say (my opinion)
1.Italy
2.Ottoman Empire
3.Austria
4.Spain
5. -
I don't even know a 5th one. Except these all fought well I'll guess. ::) ;D
Every nation has moments of glory and times of defeat in their history.
Well, the higher you climb, the farther you fall.Every nation has moments of glory and times of defeat in their history.
Like I said, it's only my oppinion Turin. For me, the moments of defeat of this countries have more weight than their 'glory' moments.
They won the Icelandic Cod Wars.
The USa is the best. We won the Cold War without even fighting Russia.
The USa is the best. We won the Cold War without even fighting Russia.
Historically, which countries are the most terrible at fighting wars? This is my list:
5. Russia
4. Spain
3. Italy
2. France
1. Austria
The USa is the best. We won the Cold War without even fighting Russia.
pls say this is troll.
And through proxy wars, which by the way - You didn't always win;)
Historically, which countries are the most terrible at fighting wars? This is my list:
5. Russia
4. Spain
3. Italy
2. France
1. Austria
Russia had an extremely successful 18th century and then won the Napoleonic wars. Then they won World War 2 after rising from utter destitution. What's the criteria here? Also, Spain and France are pretty wrong. Italy and Austria are the only accurate ones on that list.The USa is the best. We won the Cold War without even fighting Russia.
pls say this is troll.
And through proxy wars, which by the way - You didn't always win;)
Lol butthurt eurofairies can't stand seeing people be proud of the histories of their countries. He was clearly joking, btw.
All the same, he was joking. I'm not sure why whenever Americans make fun of themselves ironically Europeans don't understand it and they think we're actually being serious. I thought euros were supposed to be smarter... hmm?It's because we are used to this kind of behaviour from you.
All the same, he was joking. I'm not sure why whenever Americans make fun of themselves ironically Europeans don't understand it and they think we're actually being serious. I thought euros were supposed to be smarter... hmm?It's because we are used to this kind of behaviour from you.
Your argument is invalid(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia-2.web.britannica.com%2Feb-media%2F75%2F6075-004-4A150DCC.jpg&hash=463b009f81b3917f3a5ebbcc6a04bb9e92442f7f)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jx7Ma6CQIg[close]
They were able to conquer and defend a giant multiethnic state over 400 years.Know who did this better, longer, and more sucessfully?
Longer than USA n00bs. Half the time of your existence you were ruled by Tommys.
They were able to conquer and defend a giant multiethnic state over 400 years.Know who did this better, longer, and more sucessfully?
Longer than USA n00bs. Half the time of your existence you were ruled by Tommys.Spoiler(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffc07.deviantart.net%2Ffs71%2Ff%2F2011%2F232%2F0%2F0%2Froman_empire___117_ad_by_moto53-d477nfy.png&hash=b55e844b0f3fbe09e43c9355d79096d115789a40)[close]
They were able to conquer and defend a giant multiethnic state over 400 years.
[Sits in his little republic counting money]
You know guys, instead of counting our money we could go annoy Britain and support the American rebels.(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.anunews.net%2Fblog%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F04%2Faa-American-empire-map-of-bases-around-world.jpg&hash=70bc20aa33d8fa208fca41b1eb2d0e2f04f92531)
What could POSSIBLY go wrong!?
Russia has American military on its territory?
Red countries got invaded by Britain:
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Red countries got invaded by Britain:
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What scumbags. Good thing they're a backwater country now.
Worst recent country is Germany. Two world wars and one World Cup lost. Gg krauts + USSR USA and uk swag
Worst recent country is Germany. Two world wars and one World Cup lost. Gg krauts + USSR USA and uk swag
Wat... I don't think Germany lost because of "bad fighting", but OK
Or that the Allies and France pushed such harsh terms on themWorst recent country is Germany. Two world wars and one World Cup lost. Gg krauts + USSR USA and uk swag
Wat... I don't think Germany lost because of "bad fighting", but OK
Not because theyre bad at battles or fighting but because theyre garbage at politics
5 Belgium
4 Sweden
3 Romania
2 Argentina
1 Austria
If you put France in your list, you are stupid. It took basically every wolrd superpower and even lesser nations all working together to defeat France and Napoleon. Not to mention France won the 100 years war, and countless other wars in history.Like Sweden and Austria. But these people are from America.
If you put France in your list, you are stupid. It took basically every wolrd superpower and even lesser nations all working together to defeat France and Napoleon. Not to mention France won the 100 years war, and countless other wars in history.Like Sweden and Austria. But these people are from America.
It's the best country ever, that's the obsessionIf you put France in your list, you are stupid. It took basically every wolrd superpower and even lesser nations all working together to defeat France and Napoleon. Not to mention France won the 100 years war, and countless other wars in history.Like Sweden and Austria. But these people are from America.
What is your obsession with America?
I never said that. But I like the way your mind works.If you put France in your list, you are stupid. It took basically every wolrd superpower and even lesser nations all working together to defeat France and Napoleon. Not to mention France won the 100 years war, and countless other wars in history.Like Sweden and Austria. But these people are from America.
What is your obsession with America? Do you honestly believe people from one country can be dumber than those from another? More importantly, do you honestly and truly see yourself as more intelligent than the average American?
If you put France in your list, you are stupid. It took basically every wolrd superpower and even lesser nations all working together to defeat France and Napoleon. Not to mention France won the 100 years war, and countless other wars in history.
Corsican. Sounds like nitpicking, but it's not. Corsicans at the time were greatly dedicated to having their own nationality and had become such a problem for their actual Italian rulers they were sold off to France. Up until around Napoleon's Italian campaign, he strongly identified as a Corsican nationalist but after the leader of a Corsican insurrection named Paoli refused to cooperate with him, Napoleon's years of training in France finally just led him to identify as a good revolutionary French patriot.If you put France in your list, you are stupid. It took basically every wolrd superpower and even lesser nations all working together to defeat France and Napoleon. Not to mention France won the 100 years war, and countless other wars in history.
Napoleon wasn't even French. He's Italian, he was born Napoleone di Buonaparte LOL
The only time the French were able to do well in war was when they were led by an Italian. Rofl
If you put France in your list, you are stupid. It took basically every wolrd superpower and even lesser nations all working together to defeat France and Napoleon. Not to mention France won the 100 years war, and countless other wars in history.
Napoleon wasn't even French. He's Italian, he was born Napoleone di Buonaparte LOL
The only time the French were able to do well in war was when they were led by an Italian. Rofl
So... he wasn't French. That's my point. His family was from Florentine. Therefore, France is bad at wars 8)
So... he wasn't French. That's my point. His family was from Florentine. Therefore, France is bad at wars 8)
No. Napoleon identified as French and was trained in the art of war in a French military school but I guess that's irrelevant to the constant need by many Americans to French-bash
We do it cause it's funny as hell ;D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-Prussian_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_France
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Dien_Bien_Phu
Didn't even defend their capital city LOL
I will not respond to your idiocy chosen1. France is love, France is life.
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Deutschland, Deutschland über alles.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bladensburg
We atleast tried. Then the great Andrew Jackson sent the brits packing at the Battle of New Orleans.
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Come kill our capital now breh
So you are saying that the French didn't try?
Btw the French have the most military victories in history.
France suffers some 6.1 million causalities in WWI and the sheer bravery of their troops at places like the Marne and Verdun practically saves their nation and Allied positions on the Western Front.
But wait, Adolf Hitler had planes and the French understandably didn't want another mass slaughter like they had suffered in WWI (which almost wiped out an entire generation of men) so I guess France 4ever sux and shame.
France suffers some 6.1 million causalities in WWI and the sheer bravery of their troops at places like the Marne and Verdun practically saves their nation and Allied positions on the Western Front.
But wait, Adolf Hitler had planes and the French understandably didn't want another mass slaughter like they had suffered in WWI (which almost wiped out an entire generation of men) so I guess France 4ever sux and shame.
Yep that's what happens when a country sucks at fighting wars ;)
OH MY GOD WHY ARE YOU AUTISTS RESPONDING SERIOUSLY TO THE FRANCE BANTER WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU GUYS.Cause it seemed to be a realistic discussion up until the latest post
OH MY GOD WHY ARE YOU AUTISTS RESPONDING SERIOUSLY TO THE FRANCE BANTER WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU GUYS.
Islamic Fucking State
^^+1Islamic Fucking State
Sure why not
Historically, which countries are the most terrible at fighting wars? This is my list:
5. Russia
4. Spain
3. Italy
2. France
1. Austria
Funny because that picture shows German soldiers surrendering.
This thread is a fuckin shit fest, everything nation loses a war somewhere down the line and wins others from time to time. A lot of these posts are just people stroking their cock of nationality
Yes plsThis thread is a fuckin shit fest, everything nation loses a war somewhere down the line and wins others from time to time. A lot of these posts are just people stroking their cock of nationality
Congrats to Howe for being a smart man. You'd want a cookie now, I made them this morning.
No somoola is the best fgt everyone knows neverlaneds is the worst dumbas.
I say poland is worst.
5. Russia
4. Spain
3. Italy
2. Austria
1. France
5. Russia
4. Spain
3. Italy
2. Austria
1. France
Since when ahs France been bad at fighting, besides WW2?
Holy shiet that's a lot5. Russia
4. Spain
3. Italy
2. Austria
1. France
Since when has France been bad at fighting, besides WW2?
http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/france.html
This thread: Nationalistic dick contest.Welcome to FSE, may I take your order?
5. Russia
4. Spain
3. Italy
2. Austria
1. France
Since when ahs France been bad at fighting, besides WW2?
http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/france.html
To be fair, ww2 is pretty important. They fucked up big time.And yeah, how'd we arrive here again?
Still pretty ridiculous that people are still on this bandwagon though.
This thread: Nationalistic dick contest.
The Dutch are kinda garbage at war too
The Dutch are kinda garbage at war too
Explain, please. I recall an astonoshing fight in WWII while the Dutch were basically using WWI equipment and sometimes even blackpowder artillery and poorly trained men.
I recall the Netherlands being a world power at some point, defeating the English on sea and beating French on the ground.
So yes, please explain to me how the Dutch are garbage at war.
The Dutch are kinda garbage at war too
The Dutch are kinda garbage at war too
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Re: fse forum attacks
Brothers, we are under attack from the heathens on the fse forums! Gather Dutch brethren and strike them down. Pls bring best battle statistics and insults.
P.S. only pure emotion
- Maurice of Nassau's ghost.
-Message sent at 5:30 pn-
The dutch suck at modern war drop the nationalism and go back to your red light district to let off some steam
The dutch suck at modern war drop the nationalism and go back to your red light district to let off some steam
The dutch suck at modern war drop the nationalism and go back to your red light district to let off some steam
And that is based on???
Not saying you're wrong as I personally don't know it, but I would like to know from what you draw that conclusion.
The dutch suck at modern war drop the nationalism and go back to your red light district to let off some steam
And that is based on???
Not saying you're wrong as I personally don't know it, but I would like to know from what you draw that conclusion.
He's drawing that conclusion from his ass.
He's just a troll.
The sad part is that someone is actually probably going to do that.
Lol
Wait, how is the Franco-Dutch war a defeat for us? We were insanely outnumbered and slapped England, France, Munster and Keulen three times in the face.
Sure, we had to flood half the country, but still, victory is victory.
When people are talking about wars in their nation's past...why do they use the word "we" as if they were there?
muh muh nationalism
Lol
If you need a white flag I'm sure France has some to spare.
If you need a white flag I'm sure France has some to spare.
If you need a white flag I'm sure France has some to spare.
lol I thought they ran out sometime in the Algerian War
I was there. I SEEN IT WUTH MINE OWN TWO EYES. DON'T YOU EVER TELL ME WHAT I AIN'T SEEN. I know what I done seen on thus fine earth and it ain't pretty I tell yu that
Says the birdI was there. I SEEN IT WUTH MINE OWN TWO EYES. DON'T YOU EVER TELL ME WHAT I AIN'T SEEN. I know what I done seen on thus fine earth and it ain't pretty I tell yu that
Says the American.
I was there. I SEEN IT WUTH MINE OWN TWO EYES. DON'T YOU EVER TELL ME WHAT I AIN'T SEEN. I know what I done seen on thus fine earth and it ain't pretty I tell yu that
Says the American.
I was there. I SEEN IT WUTH MINE OWN TWO EYES. DON'T YOU EVER TELL ME WHAT I AIN'T SEEN. I know what I done seen on thus fine earth and it ain't pretty I tell yu that
Says the American.
Hey riddlez, remember when I bailed you out when the Nazis overran you with little to no resistance?
Oh sorry must've been duuring.
My family was in the colonies at the time. Never saw no nazi's. Only Japs. And they were liberated by the British.
I know Aruba and Curacao saw Nazi's (UBoats). In Aruba one torpedo landed on the beach and there were also many oil ships destroyed.Spoiler(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fthescuttlefish.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F09%2Ftorp-huge.jpg&hash=4075d3cfa80d40c1ebd25032170df6ef5c4c9fd1)[close]
Yes four dutch marines died when they were examining it (it blew up).I know Aruba and Curacao saw Nazi's (UBoats). In Aruba one torpedo landed on the beach and there were also many oil ships destroyed.Spoiler(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fthescuttlefish.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F09%2Ftorp-huge.jpg&hash=4075d3cfa80d40c1ebd25032170df6ef5c4c9fd1)[close]
Didn't this torpedo explode a few days later and kill some soldiers?
lolYes four dutch marines died when they were examining it (it blew up).I know Aruba and Curacao saw Nazi's (UBoats). In Aruba one torpedo landed on the beach and there were also many oil ships destroyed.Spoiler(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fthescuttlefish.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F09%2Ftorp-huge.jpg&hash=4075d3cfa80d40c1ebd25032170df6ef5c4c9fd1)[close]
Didn't this torpedo explode a few days later and kill some soldiers?
For those interested in the failure and also possibly the derpiest moment in German Uboat warfare:SpoilerOn 16 February, after observing the area for a few days, U-156 came around to the refineries. There in front of her target were two Lago Company steamers, SS Pedernales and Oranjestad, both British owned oilers. At 01:31, U-156 surfaced in San Nicholas Harbor some 1.5 km (0.81 nmi; 0.93 mi) offshore and attacked the two British tankers at anchor. Hartenstein ordered the firing of one torpedo from his bow tubes at Pedernales. The torpedo attack was successful and Pedernales was hit amidship. Loaded with crude oil, the steamer immediately burst into flames, killing eight of her 26 crewmen and wounding her captain Herbert McCall.[1] Oranjestad then began to lift anchor and steam away but she was too late and was hit by a second torpedo fired from U-156. She too burst into flames and an hour later, sunk in about 70 m (230 ft) of water. Fifteen of her 22 crewmen were killed.[2] At this time, several Dutch sailors flocked to their small wooden patrol craft at harbor in order to get them away from the burning oil of the tankers.
At 03:13, U-156 attacked the Texaco owned tanker SS Arkansas which was berthed at Eagle Beach next to the Arend/Eagle Refinery. Just one of the torpedoes struck Arkansas and partially sank her but the damage was moderate and caused no casualties.[3] Commander Hartenstein then steamed further around Aruba and directed his men to take to the deck guns and prepare for a naval bombardment of the large oil tank in view. The crew of the 105 mm (4.1 in) gun forgot to remove the water cap from the barrel, so when Hartenstein ordered them to fire, the gun blew up in the faces of the two gunners. Gunnery Officer Dietrich von dem Borne was wounded badly, one foot having been severed. His comrade and trigger man Heinrich Büssinger was badly wounded as well and died several hours after the attack. Hartenstein ordered the 37 mm (1.46 in) flak gun to continue the attack.
Sixteen rounds from the 37mm AA gun were fired, but only two hits were found by the Allies: a dent in an oil storage tank and a hole in a house. In disgust[citation needed] Hartenstein ordered a cease-fire, and set his course toward the other end of the island. En route, U-156 was found and attacked by a Fokker F.XVIII maritime patrol aircraft of the Netherlands West Indies Defence Force which took off from Oranjestad, Aruba at 05.55 hours and dropped a number of 8 kg (80 mm) improvised anti-submarine bombs without achieving a hit.[4] The U-boat continued towards Oranjestad harbor and at 09.43 hours torpedoed the Arkansas lying at the pier of the Eagle Refinery, after missing with two torpedoes.[citation needed]
Meanwhile, the six other Axis boats patrolled the area in search of oil tankers. U-502 under Lieutenant Commander Jürgen von Rosenstiel made contact with at least three Allied vessels that day in the Gulf of Venezuela, two British oilers, SS Tia Juana[5] and San Nicolas.[6] were sunk along with the Venezuelan steamer Monagas.[7] U-67, under Captain Günther Müller-Stöckheim, attacked two additional tankers off Curaçao that morning. Stockheim fired four torpedoes from his bow tubes at the tankers in Willemstad Harbor. All four failed to hit their targets or failed to explode. Stockheim tried again and fired two more torpedoes from his stern tubes at the Dutch Rafaela; one hit and heavily damaged the ship.[8] U-67 then slipped away, unaware a United States Army Air Corps A-20 Havoc light bomber was in pursuit. The aircraft dropped its payload of both flares and explosives when over the surfaced U-boat but the bombs missed and U-67 submerged and got away. The flames from burning steamers around Aruba were reportedly so large that they could be seen easily from Curaçao.[citation needed]
The four other U-boats and submarines were apparently unsuccessful in engaging Allied ships that morning. The Dutch patrol boats did not engage either.[close]
We atleast tried. Then the great Andrew Jackson sent the brits packing at the Battle of New Orleans.
Italians, Frenchs.
Italians, Frenchs.
You lack knowledge obviously...
Italians, Frenchs.
You lack knowledge obviously...
Italians, Frenchs.
You lack knowledge obviously...
No, history can teach this easily. ;)
AntarcticaHas Antarctica ever lost a war?
France helped a nation of limpdicked retards becoming independent.
nope but they also didnt won anyAntarcticaHas Antarctica ever lost a war?
US hate intensifiesFrance helped a nation of limpdicked retards becoming independent.
+1 thoFrance helped a nation of limpdicked retards becoming independent.
Romans are itialian doe lol.
Italians, Frenchs.
You lack knowledge obviously...
No, history can teach this easily. ;)
Why France? xD Look what happened to France during the Napoleonic Wars lol
Sounds like Italians and Romans were a race.Romans are itialian doe lol.
Right, because human populations stay exactly the same in their genetic makeup over thousands of years.
Africa...
Africa...
Well, Italians do have a significant Roman admixture. But there is also a lot of Germanic, Berber, and not mentioning the Romanised Celts, Slavs, and other peoples.Romans are itialian doe lol.
Right, because human populations stay exactly the same in their genetic makeup over thousands of years.
The only Africans that ever won a war against Europeans were actually Dutch. :)Africa...
Boer War
Well, Italians do have a significant Roman admixture. But there is also a lot of Germanic, Berber, and not mentioning the Romanised Celts, Slavs, and other peoples.Romans are itialian doe lol.
Right, because human populations stay exactly the same in their genetic makeup over thousands of years.
lolwut. The Boers aren't Dutch u fggt. git ur facts strait m8The only Africans that ever won a war against Europeans were actually Dutch. :)Africa...
Boer War
I thought you had to go to sleep you cumguzzling porch ape.ikr wtf Howe
I can't sleepwe should of fucked on Yareel or on Europa but noooo go to sleep bitch
I'm too steamy
Ok, putting down phone
Sleeping
¿K?
Germany is actually pretty bad too... Not to talk about my own country.could you elaborate ?
Germany got fucked over in all the wars it has fought. And my country, Denmark, has lost most wars it has fought, since the medieval times. Not to talk about the fact that we surrendered to the germans after only 6 hours in ww2Germany is actually pretty bad too... Not to talk about my own country.could you elaborate ?
Yeah that didn't happen. Some bucko made it up 50 years later in an article for attention.He should just have saved us years of intellectual rape and just have cut himself
People go on about how the US saved us during both wars (2nd more than 1st) but you wouldn't be anything without the french sending an army to help you fight the british imperialists! You would've stayed a colony! I don't know what the world would be like today without you though. :(So... he wasn't French. That's my point. His family was from Florentine. Therefore, France is bad at wars 8)
No. Napoleon identified as French and was trained in the art of war in a French military school but I guess that's irrelevant to the constant need by many Americans to French-bash
I actually love the French, and I see no need to bash one of our most loyal allies in history. Ignorant Americans bash the French. Even French Americans are bashed (Cajuns, Creoles, etc) , which is even worse. Also, the French are a quite diverse people. Various peoples have contributed to France's success on the world stage. Jews, Poles, Germans, Italians, Bretons, North Africans, Asians, etc have all contributed to France and form quite a large population in France itself.
They didn't want to send men to die for a shit cause! Some minister went on for a 5 hour speech in the UN that convinced the UN not to make france send any forces! The right thing to do! The US should've went in without anyone for a lost cause :(Come kill our capital now breh
Word.
France nowadays didn't even have the balls to attack Iraq, LOL. Surrendered while they could ;D
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_ArmySo you are saying that the French didn't try?
Btw the French have the most military victories in history.
lol sure :-X
The french had the courage to go fight against better trained and equipped german soldiers with gaz, machine guns ect... They eventually got the same weapons after some time fightig.France suffers some 6.1 million causalities in WWI and the sheer bravery of their troops at places like the Marne and Verdun practically saves their nation and Allied positions on the Western Front.
But wait, Adolf Hitler had planes and the French understandably didn't want another mass slaughter like they had suffered in WWI (which almost wiped out an entire generation of men) so I guess France 4ever sux and shame.
Yep that's what happens when a country sucks at fighting wars ;)
I'd say the Swiss have had a bad time with war. It doesn't make them particularly bad at fighting but the Swiss lost a battle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Marignano#Eternal_Peace) in 1515 that forced them to swear eternal peace which has been virtually unbroken.They also protected Louis XV on the 14/07/1789 against parisians and some guards that turned agains him :p
You'd be speaking with a fancy english accent if it wasn't for the french ^^This thread: Nationalistic dick contest.
You'd be speaking German if it weren't for us.
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They beat alot of nations because they both alot of mercenaries :DThe Dutch are kinda garbage at war too
Explain, please. I recall an astonoshing fight in WWII while the Dutch were basically using WWI equipment and sometimes even blackpowder artillery and poorly trained men.
I recall the Netherlands being a world power at some point, defeating the English on sea and beating French on the ground.
So yes, please explain to me how the Dutch are garbage at war.
<3France helped a nation of limpdicked retards becoming independent.
Queeeen sextuple posted. ban.m8 that's all I need right now
Chosen1 is bannedWat
I love how anyone who says France on this thread gets immediately hit with the "muh Napoleonic Wars".
I love how anyone who says France on this thread gets immediately hit with the "muh Napoleonic Wars".
Yeah the greatest pride of the French is an Italian pudgebucket.
I love how anyone who says France on this thread gets immediately hit with the "muh Napoleonic Wars".
Yeah the greatest pride of the French is an Italian pudgebucket.
And amazing leadersTheir leaders were only successful because of their numbers. Their tactics were mass assaults in columns that were very costly in lives. French leaders knew they had superior manpower and exploited it.
And great trainingTraining? Most of their men were sent off as green conscripts. Their training was what they experienced on the battlefield.
And great army structureFair enough, but useless without the numbers.
QuoteAnd amazing leadersTheir leaders were only successful because of their numbers. Their tactics were mass assaults in columns that were very costly in lives. French leaders knew they had superior manpower and exploited it.
QuoteAnd great trainingTraining? Most of their men were sent off as green conscripts. Their training was what they experienced on the battlefield.
QuoteAnd great army structureFair enough, but useless without the numbers.
QuoteAnd amazing leadersTheir leaders were only successful because of their numbers. Their tactics were mass assaults in columns that were very costly in lives. French leaders knew they had superior manpower and exploited it.
QuoteAnd great trainingTraining? Most of their men were sent off as green conscripts. Their training was what they experienced on the battlefield.
QuoteAnd great army structureFair enough, but useless without the numbers.
French army structure was much better then the British structure and would remain better until well into World war 1. Especially the British officer corps was, frankly, a joke.
RedCoat are you fucking retarded? I have so much to say about the idiotic things you have just posted that my fingers would fly off in the midst of me typing out my rage inspired text walls. Instead though i will simply leave you with this...
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymPpIzaanhY[/youtube]
I am not saying i am the most educated on the subject, but you certainly are not. And for you to try and argue/debate when you OBVIOUSLY lack proper information and are drawing from searches that you likely did as you posted. Its disrespectful not only to history as a whole, but anyone who appreciates military history and truth.
Ok let me wreck you real quick...
You said french won due to numerical advantages. WRONG!
In nearly every battle of the Napoleonic wars especially the larger battles France was out manned.
You tried to argue that french generals/leaders were incompetent and only won due to a manpower advantage. (Which they didn't even have) WRONG!
Napoleon and his Marechals were some of the greatest generals to ever lead in battle. Marechal Lannes ALONE proves that to be fact.
You claimed french troops had poor drill.
Yet the french troops were more mobile then any other army in the entire world they also did this without using corporal punishment to keep discipline.
and i could go on and on but its not my job to give you a proper education. Also your regiment has nothing to do with your individual idiocy.
In nearly every battle of the Napoleonic wars especially the larger battles France was out manned.
Napoleon and his Marechals were some of the greatest generals to ever lead in battle. Marechal Lannes ALONE proves that to be fact.
Yet the french troops were more mobile then any other army in the entire world they also did this without using corporal punishment to keep discipline.
Better grab my popcorn. This gonna be good.
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Double post. Ban.
Nationalism is a tasty thing, is it not?
Haha, you are neither gay nor muslim, you can't have your own phobia if people disagree with you.
Nice try though.
The real answer is Paraguay btw.Truly a forgotten war of great magnitude.
But why Paraguay they are so small :(
But why Paraguay they are so small :(
Going off memory, they got a crazy expansionist militaristic dictator who attacked every neighboring nation and got rekt in the end.
italy
Isn't Italyitaly
But Rome?
Never fought a war.That's interesting.
Poland. Basically in the midst of all the countriesare you actually from luxemburg?
Poland. Basically in the midst of all the countriesBefore the partitions Poland was not to be fucked with
Guys it's clearly the Netherlands. They got constantly stepped on by other european nations, sometimes they didn't even know it until their face was looking at a bayonet ;)
Duuring is gonna kill me
When Belgium succeeds in defending their country from a massive German Empire in WW1 but Nethlerlands completely fails the next time aroundGuys it's clearly the Netherlands. They got constantly stepped on by other european nations, sometimes they didn't even know it until their face was looking at a bayonet ;)
Duuring is gonna kill me
Still not as shit as Italy... Consdering what the Netherlands were facing we did alright... Well except WWII, the invasion of Germany into the NL that must be one of the most hilarious military strategic blunders in our country's history
When Belgium succeeds in defending their country from a massive German Empire in WW1 but Nethlerlands completely fails the next time aroundGuys it's clearly the Netherlands. They got constantly stepped on by other european nations, sometimes they didn't even know it until their face was looking at a bayonet ;)
Duuring is gonna kill me
Still not as shit as Italy... Consdering what the Netherlands were facing we did alright... Well except WWII, the invasion of Germany into the NL that must be one of the most hilarious military strategic blunders in our country's history
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When Belgium succeeds in defending their country from a massive German Empire in WW1 but Nethlerlands completely fails the next time aroundGuys it's clearly the Netherlands. They got constantly stepped on by other european nations, sometimes they didn't even know it until their face was looking at a bayonet ;)
Duuring is gonna kill me
Still not as shit as Italy... Consdering what the Netherlands were facing we did alright... Well except WWII, the invasion of Germany into the NL that must be one of the most hilarious military strategic blunders in our country's history
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Can't compare the two at all lol
Stop triggering me as a proud Dutchman
'What are you gonna do? Kickbox me?SpoilerWhen Belgium succeeds in defending their country from a massive German Empire in WW1 but Nethlerlands completely fails the next time aroundGuys it's clearly the Netherlands. They got constantly stepped on by other european nations, sometimes they didn't even know it until their face was looking at a bayonet ;)
Duuring is gonna kill me
Still not as shit as Italy... Consdering what the Netherlands were facing we did alright... Well except WWII, the invasion of Germany into the NL that must be one of the most hilarious military strategic blunders in our country's history
feelsbad
Can't compare the two at all lol
Stop triggering me as a proud Dutchman[close]
When Belgium succeeds in defending their country from a massive German Empire in WW1 but Nethlerlands completely fails the next time aroundGuys it's clearly the Netherlands. They got constantly stepped on by other european nations, sometimes they didn't even know it until their face was looking at a bayonet ;)
Duuring is gonna kill me
Still not as shit as Italy... Consdering what the Netherlands were facing we did alright... Well except WWII, the invasion of Germany into the NL that must be one of the most hilarious military strategic blunders in our country's history
feelsbad
Funnily enough the government and the Army Command both had decided they should join the war by 1917, they just disagreed on which side to join and when they finally solved that conflict the war was almost over anyway.
The Dutch army in '40 did okay considering the Germans expected victory in a single day and it took them 5. Especially the air force and anti-air troops, who gave the German Air Force and Airlanding troops a significant blow that effected its strenght for the Battle of Britain. The Grebbeberg battle was one big mess, sure, but I wouldn't call the entire invasion one big militairy blunder. Belgium held out longer partly because they actually received significant Allied support which the Netherlands never received, partly because they weren't terror-bombed into a surrender.
Not a military strategic blunder, rather a political one.
I guess the UN just wanted Dutch Intel capacity too much for the mission.
Between collaborating with the Nazis after being utterly destroyed in battle (Nederlandsche SS, 23rd SS Volunteer Panzer Grenadier Division "Nederland", Nationaal-Socialistische Beweging in Nederland (NSB), etc.)
the humiliating losses of '49 and '62 to the Indonesians
You're being ridicious, highly offensive and I'm not going to continue debating you.That's the joke
You're being ridicious, highly offensive and I'm not going to continue debating you.
You're being ridicious, highly offensive and I'm not going to continue debating you.
Stating facts is now "highly offensive"
FACT: 90% of Dutch Jews perished in the holocaust.
FACT: Over 10,000 Dutchmen WILLINGLY volunteered for the SS and served in the Nederlandsche SS, 23rd SS Volunteer Panzer Grenadier Division Nederland, SS Volunteer Grenadier Brigade Landstorm Nederland and 4th SS Volunteer Panzergrenadier Brigade Nederland.
FACT: Over 100,000 Dutchmen WILLINGLY joined the Nationaal-Socialistische Beweging. These 100,000 openly collaborated with the Germans and turned their countrymen over for death in concentration camps.
FACT: The Henneicke Column WILLINGLY captured Jews and turned them over to the Nazis. They captured and were directly responsible for the deaths of 10,000 Dutch Jews who perished in the Holocaust.
FACT: Between 25,000 and 30,000 Dutchmen WILLINGLY volunteered to serve in the Heer.
FACT: The LKP (Nationale Knokploeg), the largest Dutch resistance group, had only a measly 550 members.
BONUS FACT: The survival rate of Dutch Jews at around 10% is substantially lower than Belgium (60% of Jews survived), France (75% of Jews survived) and Denmark (99% of Jews survived).
Never forget the enthusiastic and eager Dutch collaboration with the Nazis which directly resulted in the death of 125,000+ Dutch Jews.
I would say not only surrendering after 4 days but then turning around and systematically murdering hundreds of thousands of your own countrymen on the orders of your conquerors makes you pretty bad at fighting wars.
I would say not only surrendering after 4 days but then turning around and systematically murdering hundreds of thousands of your own countrymen on the orders of your conquerors makes you pretty bad at fighting wars.
Surrender after 4 days after one of the largest cities got bombed to shit, fighting a war that could never be won against the most powerful nation at the time, which was our neighbour? Get out of here
I would say not only surrendering after 4 days but then turning around and systematically murdering hundreds of thousands of your own countrymen on the orders of your conquerors makes you pretty bad at fighting wars.
Surrender after 4 days after one of the largest cities got bombed to shit, fighting a war that could never be won against the most powerful nation at the time, which was our neighbour? Get out of here
The resistance put up by the Dutch was pitiful. They should've fought to the death to preserve their nation and protect their land like the Japanese did in Okinawa or Iwo Jima. I don't rank them as the worst at fighting wars because they lost, I put them there because of how easily they folded.
I would say not only surrendering after 4 days but then turning around and systematically murdering hundreds of thousands of your own countrymen on the orders of your conquerors makes you pretty bad at fighting wars.
I would say not only surrendering after 4 days but then turning around and systematically murdering hundreds of thousands of your own countrymen on the orders of your conquerors makes you pretty bad at fighting wars.
You still have not refuted my main point.
I would say not only surrendering after 4 days but then turning around and systematically murdering hundreds of thousands of your own countrymen on the orders of your conquerors makes you pretty bad at fighting wars.
You still have not refuted my main point.
I tackled the reasoning behind your main point, can't you read?
If you are actually convinced that ''fighting to the death !11one'' is what they should have done in that situation then you're a special snowflake. Around 200.000 Dutch civilians ended up losing their lives during WW2. Take Japan, your own previous example and the number goes up to 2.500.000 / 3.100.000. Funny enough even if you look at the German invasion of the Netherlands, both nations ended up losing around 2000 soldiers (the Dutch like 2300), while the Germans outnumbered the Dutch nearly 3 to 1. The Germans also lost over 225 aircraft
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Netherlands
I am aware that the topic is about fighting wars, but can you truely judge a nation for giving up in that situation? Not giving up in a ''modern war'' can result in losing half your population, so bringing up the defeat during WW2 all the time is a bit lame imo. If you want to bash the Dutch' warring skills then there are plenty of other examples
However, to go back on topic, the Dutch also survived against all odds in the past
https://www.britannica.com/event/Dutch-War
Maurice modernised the Dutch army during the 80 years war making ''the Dutch army the most modern in the Europe of his time.''
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Maurice-stadholder-of-The-Netherlands
and there are many smaller examples of the Dutch doing well during times of war, the Dutch navy was arguably the strongest navy during the early 17th century
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_history_of_the_Netherlands
Some battles the Dutch fought with minimal casualties or while (heavily) outnumbered:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Heiligerlee_(1568)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Leiden
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gibraltar_(1607)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Downs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Sound
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Days%27_Battle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raid_on_the_Medway
Ofcourse there are plenty of blunders too, but it goes without saying that the ''best'' nations at fighting wars have those too.
In conclusion, saying the Netherlands are arguably the worst at fighting wars, given their history, their geographical position, their population, seems wrong to me. Especially when you concider that 'we' were once concidered the most powerful nation in the world, despite our size.
That is my (bias) opinion
Now stop triggering me pls
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And we were good at fighting Napoleonic Wars!!!Spoiler(https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/902106354711603954/44D10D40FF98F875578FDA5AC6DA30583EA10022/)[close]
The counter-offensive against German paratroopers was also quite succesful, re-taking the airfields and destroying a great deal of enemy planes. The German paratrooper operation was meant to finish the Netherlands off in a single day and ended up having to be rescued by the German army 4 days later. And even then, the surrender was forced by terrorbombing a city, not because the army was defeated. More then half of the paratroop force was captured and the effects of the losses during the Battle of the Netherlands was felt even at Crete a year later.
I'm not saying the 5-day battle was some sort of heroic resistance against all odds (Cos, you know, we were defeated), but taking into account the strategic situation, calling the entirety of it a military blunder on the Dutch side, rather then an unavoidable defeat, is uncalled for.
They should've fought to the death to preserve their nation and protect their land like the Japanese did in Okinawa or Iwo Jima
FACT: 90% of Dutch Jews perished in the holocaust.
FACT: Over 10,000 Dutchmen WILLINGLY volunteered for the SS and served in the Nederlandsche SS, 23rd SS Volunteer Panzer Grenadier Division Nederland, SS Volunteer Grenadier Brigade Landstorm Nederland and 4th SS Volunteer Panzergrenadier Brigade Nederland.
FACT: Over 100,000 Dutchmen WILLINGLY joined the Nationaal-Socialistische Beweging. These 100,000 openly collaborated with the Germans and turned their countrymen over for death in concentration camps.
FACT: The Henneicke Column WILLINGLY captured Jews and turned them over to the Nazis. They captured and were directly responsible for the deaths of 10,000 Dutch Jews who perished in the Holocaust.
FACT: Between 25,000 and 30,000 Dutchmen WILLINGLY volunteered to serve in the Heer.
FACT: The LKP (Nationale Knokploeg), the largest Dutch resistance group, had only a measly 550 members.
BONUS FACT: The survival rate of Dutch Jews at around 10% is substantially lower than Belgium (60% of Jews survived), France (75% of Jews survived) and Denmark (99% of Jews survived).
Never forget the enthusiastic and eager Dutch collaboration with the Nazis which directly resulted in the death of 125,000+ Dutch Jews.
All Dutch alive at this time has some blame for this
QuoteAll Dutch alive at this time has some blame for this
Well, up to now I didn't really know if you were trolling but this gave it away. Good effort tho.
the tens of thousands of farmers that supplied food to the German troops, thousands of Dutch women who served as nurses, tens of thousands of Dutch bureaucrats working in some capacity for the Reichskommissariat Niederlande, and tens of thousands of firefighters and police officers that were paid by the Reich.
QuoteNot a military strategic blunder, rather a political one.
Military and politics are not seperated realms.
Quoting Clausewitz, war may be a continuation of politics by different means, but that doesn't mean the military is a political being, a political instrument, of course, but not political in nature inherently.
QuoteQuoting Clausewitz, war may be a continuation of politics by different means, but that doesn't mean the military is a political being, a political instrument, of course, but not political in nature inherently.
Not my point. Of course the military works different, it's designed to be; In that we agree. My point was that what the military gets, how it looks and most importantly what it does (and what it doesn't do), are all political decisions, even if the decision is made by or delegated to members of the military. Soldiers don't send themselves to Mali. At the same time, the military situation directly effects the political situation. I'm not saying military and politics are the same realm, they're just not seperated.
Thanks KurassierNixon! You just made my day. ;DSpoilerOn a serious note: Your crap is worse then the one I just released from my alcohol-recovering body. And I can tell you, it aint pretty![close]
It is true that the military in the end is the method to achieve larger political goals, but the military itself does not concern itself with those exact political goals, that is an entire seperate aspect of the war, which is seperated clearly except at the highest possible form of military leadership.
It is true that the military in the end is the method to achieve larger political goals, but the military itself does not concern itself with those exact political goals, that is an entire seperate aspect of the war, which is seperated clearly except at the highest possible form of military leadership.
But the militairy is directly effected by and effects the political situation. Their level of training, their supplies, their goals, their equipment, their motivation - all of that are a result of a previous political decision. Civil servants within a certain department also don't concern themselves with exact political goals.
Thank god. I wanted to visit the Netherlands this year but now I'm happily aware of what a nazi shithole this country seems to be. Hate em. Going to Belgium now
(https://image.ibb.co/iyJvLn/1518832119720.png)you forgot the french
France over history has won alot of wars compared to most countries.ok?
If you suggest France you are actually retarded and have no knowledge of military history.In ww2 France capitulated in like 2 weeks, tell me there military isn't bad one more time. Also during the same invasion over 60 french divisions got cut off in the netherlands because the french thought that the german tanks couldn't pass through the ardennes. So yes, the french are pretty bad at warfare i would say. (also they lost with the advantage of better tanks and equipment and the maginot line)
France still won the Franco-Prussian war, which was in the 1870's.
If you suggest France you are actually retarded and have no knowledge of military history.In ww2 France capitulated in like 2 weeks, tell me there military isn't bad one more time. Also during the same invasion over 60 french divisions got cut off in the netherlands because the french thought that the german tanks couldn't pass through the ardennes. So yes, the french are pretty bad at warfare i would say. (also they lost with the advantage of better tanks and equipment and the maginot line)
France still won the Franco-Prussian war[/b], which was in the 1870's. France's military might only stopped after WWI when they drew the wrong conclusions from the course of WWI. And they are definitely not the worst major warfighting nation now.
germans outclassed them in nearly every area thats why they lost LOL
germans outclassed them in nearly every area thats why they lost LOL
Like on what areas?
germans outclassed them in nearly every area thats why they lost LOL
Like on what areas?
The kindom of Italy during NW was legit. Also Rome was basically Italy aswell. So italy has proven itself worthy.I'm italian, Italy was good at war only on that period... In the following years, ye.. you know the story...
Russia - If they didn't win the majority of the fucking time, they would probably be the worst, but cracking a Russian's spirit is like trying to split carbon steel pipe material with a Home Depot chainsaw. Russia's successes in warfare are undeniable, but the statistics speak for themselves.
The ones who are to small to field an army are pretty bad like Liechtenstein or San Marino.
Never forget right after WWI the soviets tried to boost their new regime by flexing on Poland in a straight 1v1 and lost.
France
No need to get rude I only voiced my own opinion. Also quoting one source is hardly gonna change that fact also that quote only states the fact they took part not actually won.France
Again, another retard.
"According to British historian Niall Ferguson, France is the most successful military power in history. The French participated in 50 of the 125 major European wars that have been fought since 1495; more than any other European state."
Especially recent history shows how bad France's military it it almost lost in ww1 did lose in ww2, lost in nam and lost in the fishing wars of Jersey They had a good run with Napoleon but that was it.
I suggest if your gonna get butt hurt just dont respond to people :)
Not to mention there were no real winners in either of the world wars. It's literally the most gruesome war in world history. France is not the worst nation to fight wars, not even in the last 100 years if we're honest. When they got beaten by Germany, not many other nations had the technological advancements nor strategist the germans had. Place any nation at the start of world war 2 in France's position, and they'll probably get destroyed.
azerbaijanWhy?
lost to armenians once and almost lost once moreazerbaijanWhy?
but... they just won?lost to armenians once and almost lost once moreazerbaijanWhy?
2/3 of targets were destroyed by tb2s, azerbaijan "bought" 1 or 2 months ago before the war started.but... they just won?lost to armenians once and almost lost once moreazerbaijanWhy?
this thread was just set up to cause controversy
anyways, Austria pretty poopoo at napoleonic and "modern day" warfare
Liechtenstein
this thread was just set up to cause controversythe only generals to consistently give some semblance of challenge to french armies at the time were the austrian ones so idk why you would say that. Austrian armies were literally the next best thing
anyways, Austria pretty poopoo at napoleonic and "modern day" warfare
Napoleon lost the Napoleonic wars, pretty shit CV if u ask methis thread was just set up to cause controversythe only generals to consistently give some semblance of challenge to french armies at the time were the austrian ones so idk why you would say that. Austrian armies were literally the next best thing
anyways, Austria pretty poopoo at napoleonic and "modern day" warfare
Napoleon himself replied "it is clear sir that you were not at Wagram" when some noname french minister criticised his choice to ally Austria saying they weren't a major power anymore
Imagine having an L that large on your CVYou dont miss 100% of the shots you dont take
Unheard from the likes of real men like Phailur and Dave.
An Ancient Phailurian proverbImagine having an L that large on your CVYou dont miss 100% of the shots you dont take
Unheard from the likes of real men like Phailur and Dave.