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Title: a nerf for hussars
Post by: God_ on September 06, 2015, 10:42:10 pm
As a man who always heard that hussars were Op, I always thought that opinion was just simply not true. after all Hussars seemed to sacrifice hit points for speed, and there are many games where people bitch about how OP a class/weapon is. But after playing an LB as a hussar I would have to agree with the others. A hussar can simply do to much damage in my opinion taking out infantry almost all of the time in one hit and having speed that makes it easy to outrun enemies and much harder to get shot. Lancers and heavy cav had no chance against hussars, and cannot retreat because of the hussars speed. It also seems like hussars don't have any counters, even a well organized infantry regiment has nothing on a hussar reg that has any experience whatsoever.
A good nerf to the hussars would to make the horses have less hit points, or the hussars sabers more weak. obviously these are extremely basic but would change the competitive scene immensely.
Have any ideas than this very linear one? Comment on how you would change the hussars and if you think that they are OP or perfectly fine the way they are.
Title: Re: a nerf for hussars
Post by: Miller786 on September 06, 2015, 11:01:03 pm
may god help you when the cav lads notice this
Title: Re: a nerf for hussars
Post by: Fulgent on September 06, 2015, 11:03:54 pm
Best counter = Russian Partazini. GG ez.
Title: Re: a nerf for hussars
Post by: Phailur on September 06, 2015, 11:13:03 pm
no
Title: Re: a nerf for hussars
Post by: Christopher on September 07, 2015, 06:13:11 am
Hussars are not OP in any way shape or form from what I see. All you need to be is decently good at melee to be able to kill them.

Their horses die in 1 stab/shoot the majority of the time.
You can easily kill them when you dismount them.
Some random noob cannot go on a 10 man killspree with it.
Being able to decimate lines (like what PLG has been able to do) takes skilled cavalry players.
The main reason think its "op" is because they get anally raped every time they go against cav because they don't practice anti-cav.
Title: Re: a nerf for hussars
Post by: Cazasar on September 07, 2015, 06:26:15 am
Best counter = Russian Partazini. GG ez.
you have FSE ? defuck
Title: Re: a nerf for hussars
Post by: notmoving on September 07, 2015, 06:29:16 am
Best counter = Russian Partazini. GG ez.

Wot ...

Dear god no ... You can't ruin this for me.
Title: Re: a nerf for hussars
Post by: Min on September 07, 2015, 06:06:35 pm

Hussars are not OP in any way shape or form from what I see. All you need to be is decently good at melee to be able to kill them.

Their horses die in 1 stab/shoot the majority of the time.
You can easily kill them when you dismount them.
Some random noob cannot go on a 10 man killspree with it.
Being able to decimate lines (like what PLG has been able to do) takes skilled cavalry players.
The main reason think its "op" is because they get anally raped every time they go against cav because they don't practice anti-cav.

i agree hussar horses are made out of cardboard


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Title: Re: a nerf for hussars
Post by: TheRedRedcoat on September 07, 2015, 08:25:56 pm
Hussars are not OP in any way shape or form from what I see. All you need to be is decently good at melee to be able to kill them.

Their horses die in 1 stab/shoot the majority of the time.
You can easily kill them when you dismount them.
Some random noob cannot go on a 10 man killspree with it.
Being able to decimate lines (like what PLG has been able to do) takes skilled cavalry players.
The main reason think its "op" is because they get anally raped every time they go against cav because they don't practice anti-cav.

This. Can't tell you how many times my horse has been shot from under me by a guy halfway across the map. The horses die in single hits. Their main advantage is speed. If a hussar unit catches an isolated line unit during an event, they'll probably rape them as they have a good advantage and speed and regiments don't practice anti cav/sword.
Title: Re: a nerf for hussars
Post by: Benvolio on September 07, 2015, 11:15:40 pm
As a man who always heard that hussars were Op, I always thought that opinion was just simply not true. after all Hussars seemed to sacrifice hit points for speed, and there are many games where people bitch about how OP a class/weapon is. But after playing an LB as a hussar I would have to agree with the others. A hussar can simply do to much damage in my opinion taking out infantry almost all of the time in one hit and having speed that makes it easy to outrun enemies and much harder to get shot. Lancers and heavy cav had no chance against hussars, and cannot retreat because of the hussars speed. It also seems like hussars don't have any counters, even a well organized infantry regiment has nothing on a hussar reg that has any experience whatsoever.
A good nerf to the hussars would to make the horses have less hit points, or the hussars sabers more weak. obviously these are extremely basic but would change the competitive scene immensely.
Have any ideas than this very linear one? Comment on how you would change the hussars and if you think that they are OP or perfectly fine the way they are.

You would have loved pre-British hussar/naval units NW. Ya know before they nerfed the length of the cav sabres.
Title: Re: a nerf for hussars
Post by: Rhen on September 08, 2015, 02:23:58 pm
Guys, leave this to the EU cavalry community. You have no idea.
Title: Re: a nerf for hussars
Post by: Sniper Long Shot on September 08, 2015, 04:55:21 pm
Guys, leave this to the EU cavalry community. You have no idea.
Gotta love how bad Cav and EU are at the same time, seems perfect.
Title: Re: a nerf for hussars
Post by: Cazasar on September 08, 2015, 08:45:16 pm
Ive beaten emo in a duel btw. On an NA server
Title: Re: a nerf for hussars
Post by: Fwuffy on September 08, 2015, 10:52:07 pm
nerf all cav, not only hussars, by removing it
Title: Re: a nerf for hussars
Post by: usnavy30 on September 08, 2015, 11:13:22 pm
nerf all cav, not only hussars, by removing it
let's remove the word Mount from the game's title while we're at it  ::)
Title: Re: a nerf for hussars
Post by: God_ on September 09, 2015, 02:21:25 am
may god help you when the cav lads notice this

Im very scared O_O
Title: Re: a nerf for hussars
Post by: Rutger Müller on September 09, 2015, 04:50:08 am
Ive beaten emo in a duel btw. On an NA server
emo sucks lel
Title: Re: a nerf for hussars
Post by: Fwuffy on September 09, 2015, 11:46:46 am
nerf all cav, not only hussars, by removing it
let's remove the word Mount from the game's title while we're at it  ::)
Good idea! The game would be perfect
Title: Re: a nerf for hussars
Post by: DarkLight on September 09, 2015, 12:19:22 pm
nerf all cav, not only hussars, by removing it
let's remove the word Mount from the game's title while we're at it  ::)
Good idea! The game would be perfect

scared of cav? remember, stick them with the pointy end and they ded, really ez.
Title: Re: a nerf for hussars
Post by: Fwuffy on September 09, 2015, 12:25:59 pm
nerf all cav, not only hussars, by removing it
let's remove the word Mount from the game's title while we're at it  ::)
Good idea! The game would be perfect

scared of cav? remember, stick them with the pointy end and they ded, really ez.
yea ik but its still work and a nuisance
Title: Re: a nerf for hussars
Post by: Lumen on September 10, 2015, 07:05:20 pm
nerf all cav, not only hussars, by removing it
let's remove the word Mount from the game's title while we're at it  ::)
Good idea! The game would be perfect

scared of cav? remember, stick them with the pointy end and they ded, really ez.
yea ik but its still work and a nuisance
Fighting a good infantry player is work and a nuisance. Let's take out bayonets from the game. Napoleonic Bar Fight Simulator.
Title: Re: a nerf for hussars
Post by: 15th Archer on September 10, 2015, 08:23:01 pm
You have no idea how much cavalry players put practice in taking down grounded units, if the infantry regiments put in half the practice they would never complain about cavalry in the first place. Instead we get "oh cav is just op any retard can do it" thats just you being shit, not us being op.
Title: Re: a nerf for hussars
Post by: Cooper on September 10, 2015, 09:35:55 pm
You have no idea how much cavalry players put practice in taking down grounded units, if the infantry regiments put in half the practice they would never complain about cavalry in the first place. Instead we get "oh cav is just op any retard can do it" thats just you being shit, not us being op.
I can sign that.


It's a very common bia for infs to think that cav is just a fun class to play.
We are extremly competitve.
Don't mistake us for the inf community in which 1/2 can't even block and max 1/4 is good in competitve play. ;)
Title: Re: a nerf for hussars
Post by: Batraan on September 18, 2015, 03:07:24 am
Hussars are op for a skilled hussar player to use.

But then again so are all the classes. You get a guy who knows how to use his weapons and move, and he will crush you.
Title: Re: a nerf for hussars
Post by: Patrykus on September 25, 2015, 10:07:44 am
Speed and damage don't make a hussar class OP. Acceleration and big maneuverability do it.
Title: Re: a nerf for hussars
Post by: Zalan on September 25, 2015, 04:28:03 pm
To be fair Cavalry were always the heavy hitters in battles. Husars may seem  OP because in real life cavalry was OP. That said infantry will kill a husar 1 on 1 because the bayonet has a much longer reach. The main reason they seem OP is because cavalry regiments often train at working well together and hitting people from the backs where you won't see them coming.
Title: Re: a nerf for hussars
Post by: The Mighty McLovin on September 25, 2015, 04:31:06 pm
Oh yeah, let's remove a huge aspect from the game.

Get good.
Title: Re: a nerf for hussars
Post by: AeroNinja on September 25, 2015, 04:32:22 pm
nerf all cav, not only hussars, by removing it
let's remove the word Mount from the game's title while we're at it  ::)
Remove Cavalry in Multiplayer and let them be in singleplayer. Would be nice.
Title: Re: a nerd for hussars
Post by: Siwi on September 25, 2015, 10:29:36 pm
Does no one seriously know how to stab a horse? I feel like I'm fairly decent at counter cavalry, and it's really not that hard. Don't let them bump you, and if they get close, stab their horse. If they are doing that thing where they try and wait for a chance to attack holding a swing and trotting just out of reach, then hold a stab and wait. Most of the experienced cav will know not to run straight at you, that's how I know if you are good or not. If they know you see them, the good players will try and get behind you to bump slash or straight kill. That's why spin stabs on cav work well too, they don't know that you are watching them and think it's an easy kill and then when it's too late to react, you spin and kill their horse.

You want to have the horse charging straight at you when you stab it, so that the bayonet hits in the head or chest of the horse. This insta kills even heavy cav, so.

Maybe I should make a video or something since it seems to be such a difficult concept
Title: Re: a nerf for hussars
Post by: Min on September 26, 2015, 08:08:26 pm
You have no idea how much cavalry players put practice in taking down grounded units, if the infantry regiments put in half the practice they would never complain about cavalry in the first place. Instead we get "oh cav is just op any retard can do it" thats just you being shit, not us being op.

+1

Good cav players need really good timing, especially when trying to kill someone who is trying to stab you wildly with his bayonet. More often than not, horses do actually get one shotted and then it's ezpz after that for someone with the bayonet.
Title: Re: a nerf for hussars
Post by: Lawbringer on September 26, 2015, 08:45:37 pm
Tbh if I have a bayonet against a horse I feel like I have the advantage
Title: Re: a nerf for hussars
Post by: Sevren on September 28, 2015, 02:31:30 am
anti-cav is too much work amirite?
Title: Re: a nerf for hussars
Post by: Siwi on September 29, 2015, 12:13:04 am
anti-cav is too much work amirite?
Es too hard, I cent
Title: Re: a nerf for hussars
Post by: Fwuffy on September 29, 2015, 01:18:56 am
Why have to go through the trouble of killing cav when it's just easier not to have it at all -duh-
Title: Re: a nerf for hussars
Post by: |Heinrich| on September 29, 2015, 12:53:00 pm
Why have to go through the trouble of killing cav when it's just easier not to have it at all -duh-
Title: Re: a nerf for hussars
Post by: Rhen on September 29, 2015, 03:11:38 pm
Why have to go through the trouble of killing cav when it's just easier not to have it at all -duh-

Oh, no, the peasantry has learned how to write...
Title: Re: a nerf for hussars
Post by: Fwuffy on September 29, 2015, 04:08:32 pm
Why have to go through the trouble of killing cav when it's just easier not to have it at all -duh-

Oh, no, the peasantry has learned how to write...
My spelling is too pro for you :D
Title: Re: a nerf for hussars
Post by: Rhen on September 29, 2015, 07:22:43 pm
Why have to go through the trouble of killing cav when it's just easier not to have it at all -duh-

Oh, no, the peasantry has learned how to write...
My spelling is too pro for you :D

I think your melee-game too -_o_-
Title: Re: a nerf for hussars
Post by: Fwuffy on September 29, 2015, 07:53:38 pm
Why have to go through the trouble of killing cav when it's just easier not to have it at all -duh-

Oh, no, the peasantry has learned how to write...
My spelling is too pro for you :D

I think your melee-game too -_o_-
lolwut
Title: Re: a nerf for hussars
Post by: Rhen on September 30, 2015, 08:43:24 am
Spoiler
Why have to go through the trouble of killing cav when it's just easier not to have it at all -duh-

Oh, no, the peasantry has learned how to write...
My spelling is too pro for you :D

I think your melee-game too -_o_-
lolwut
[close]

Embrace the compliment. ;)
Title: Re: a nerf for hussars
Post by: Fwuffy on September 30, 2015, 09:09:59 am
Spoiler
Why have to go through the trouble of killing cav when it's just easier not to have it at all -duh-

Oh, no, the peasantry has learned how to write...
My spelling is too pro for you :D

I think your melee-game too -_o_-
lolwut
[close]

Embrace the compliment. ;)
ty ty ty
Title: Re: a nerf for hussars
Post by: The_Squid on October 20, 2015, 06:40:05 am
I don't always post, but when I do it's to call out retarded ideas like this one.
Title: Re: a nerf for hussars
Post by: Ser Elliott on October 26, 2015, 10:25:52 am
You have no idea how much cavalry players put practice in taking down grounded units, if the infantry regiments put in half the practice they would never complain about cavalry in the first place. Instead we get "oh cav is just op any retard can do it" thats just you being shit, not us being op.

I think this is going to be my new signature on here. It's not common to hear the truth be typed out on these forums.
Title: Re: a nerf for hussars
Post by: Norwegian13 on October 26, 2015, 07:20:48 pm
This will not happen - and it shouldn't. Hussars aren't OP at all. Line regiments just need to practice how to efficiently combat the hussars.

Some regiments that I know of even practice different tactics to combat cavalry attacks.
Title: Re: a nerf for hussars
Post by: Ted on October 26, 2015, 08:31:01 pm
Tbh if I have a bayonet against a horse I feel like I have the advantage
Title: Re: a nerf for hussars
Post by: Coconut on October 27, 2015, 04:29:48 am
the chances of NW being updated, I would say is way below 10%. If you want to nerf hussars for your event or server you can edit the troop text files really easy with a tool.
http://forums.taleworlds.com/?topic=105928.0
Title: Re: a nerf for hussars
Post by: jakob1687 on October 28, 2015, 08:58:26 pm
hi
Title: Re: a nerf for hussars
Post by: Fwuffy on October 28, 2015, 09:02:54 pm
hi
Title: Re: a nerf for hussars
Post by: Ted on October 29, 2015, 06:47:38 pm
hi

ok
Title: Re: a nerf for hussars
Post by: Dazzer on October 29, 2015, 09:39:54 pm
hi

ok
Title: Re: a nerf for hussars
Post by: Shadow on October 30, 2015, 03:23:15 am
I think the answer's been solved.  It looks like we're spamming, so I'm going to lock this...thread owner - if you want it back open PM me.

Thanks. Locked.