Ukraine

[ClearlyInvsible]

Well, that fact that he's asking a nation to attack his own nation shows how much of an asshole he is.

[Admiral]

Yanukovych? Oh no, he made a statement saying he would fight to get back into power, by that he means sucking off Putin for his help.

Back then he meant a political fight I think, as he speficied a couple of times that any military interventions were inacceptable in his opinion.

However, you must understand that our ex-pres doesn't have his own opinion. He didn't have one even a month ago when supressing the protests with brutal force, and naturally he doesn't have it now, being a guest/hostage/puppet of the world's strongest and richest dictator.

Btw, short legal analysis by one of my uni professors is as follows:

"Mr Yanukovych is not the President of Ukraine; therefore, none of his statements have any significance under either Ukrainian or intternational law. By the way, if the legitimate President of Ukraine called upon a foreign country to intervene with its armed forces in Ukraine, such a statement would also be worth nothing because the Constituion of Ukraine clearly demands the Parliament's decision for that."

[KurassierNixon]

As an American I would support any sort of intervention whether that be military/economy. I highly doubt nukes will be used. Hopefully the thought of NATO/EU intervention will convince Putin to pull his troops out of Crimea.

[Karth]

All these countries should create a trade embargo with Russia and cut off all foreign direct investment, this will hurt our economies but devastate Russia's to a point where they will have to negotiate diplomatically.... Unless their insane

[Alpharion]

All these countries should create a trade embargo with Russia and cut off all foreign direct investment, this will hurt our economies but devastate Russia's to a point where they will have to negotiate diplomatically.... Unless their insane

Isn't that sort of what happened with Japan and the Second World War? Or am I mistaken?

[MagicTeatowel]

Ukraine is making its speech right now at the Security Council.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26413953

[Karth]

All these countries should create a trade embargo with Russia and cut off all foreign direct investment, this will hurt our economies but devastate Russia's to a point where they will have to negotiate diplomatically.... Unless their insane

Isn't that sort of what happened with Japan and the Second World War? Or am I mistaken?

You are correct. UK and US had a trade embargo with Japan but before Pearl Harbor, when Japan invaded Indochina earlier that year... Which also led to them attacking us and for other reasons of course..  But Japan is different in which their economy wasn't as trade dependent on the Allies back then while now Russia's trade surplus is tremendous with EU and US.

[Josef Lenin]

I assume somebody already posted this, but I'll do it again.

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[Madbull]

I assume somebody already posted this, but I'll do it again.

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Typical Vietnam era music made by completely stoned hippies.

[stylish]

Did the Europeans lose their balls after the major conflicts @ start of the last century ?

As someone from the EU, I am just fucking ashamed by the lack of any sort of response that might scare Putin in any sort of way, instead we get ''Please pull your troops back Mr Putin, or we might... sanction you with, erh... sanctions!''

Fuck off, move our troops to the border and show some balls.

[Hadhod]

So you'd rather want a bloody conflict with thousands of dead people?

[stylish]

So you'd rather want a bloody conflict with thousands of dead people?

Read.

I want us to send a strong message and at least be prepared for the worst, instead of just sitting about and holding meetings with the UN and other security organizations. There is a major difference.

[Matthew]

Did the Europeans lose their balls after the major conflicts @ start of the last century ?

As someone from the EU, I am just fucking ashamed by the lack of any sort of response that might scare Putin in any sort of way, instead we get ''Please pull your troops back Mr Putin, or we might... sanction you with, erh... sanctions!''

Fuck off, move our troops to the border and show some balls.

It is a lot easier to justify military intervention when you have exhausted all peaceful efforts, not attempting to do so and resorting to a similar knee-jerk reaction would only escalate the conflict.

[Hadhod]

So you'd rather want a bloody conflict with thousands of dead people?

Read.

I want us to send a strong message and at least be prepared for the worst, instead of just sitting about and holding meetings with the UN and other security organizations. There is a major difference.

Don't you think if other states would put their troops into the Ukraine, Russia would take this as an offensive act against them. As Matthew said, military actions should be the absolute last resort if everything else fails.

[Karth]

Yea as Hadhod said... that would only provoke them even more into doing something even more irrational lol, once all options are exhausted diplomatically / economically then is military "war games" an option.