Great Polish Generals Of The Second World War

[Raddeo]

It's not about being conquered, it's about HOW one was conquered. You can be conquered like Poland, which after over a hundred years of partitions had been independent for only twenty years, and still was stopping Germans for about a month like no country in Europe and then made one of the biggest and best organised underground country in the history. Or you can be conquered like France, have huge and strong army, break all treaties and capitulate because "oh no, don't destroy my Paris" (no offence French guys ). Of course, you can stay neutral and wait until Germans conquer whole world and then will come and conquer you too

[Duuring]

France had a big resistance movement, as well as the Free French forces. And you can't blame the government for trying to keep France independant.

[Tali]

It's not about being conquered, it's about HOW one was conquered. You can be conquered like Poland, which after over a hundred years of partitions had been independent for only twenty years, and still was stopping Germans for about a month like no country in Europe and then made one of the biggest and best organised underground country in the history. Or you can be conquered like France, have huge and strong army, break all treaties and capitulate because "oh no, don't destroy my Paris" (no offence French guys ). Of course, you can stay neutral and wait until Germans conquer whole world and then will come and conquer you too

Poland did indeed put up a admirable, yet futile restistancebyt I'm sure that there is a plentitude of more legitimate historical anecdotes available for baktech's crusade to increase the knowledge of the eternally great poland.

[Duuring]

They did more in 6 years then Sweden did in a century. Now who is futile?

[Tali]

They did more in 6 years then Sweden did in a century. Now who is futile?

If we are referring to combat in WW2, of course they did more then Sweden. It's not an achievment to do more then someone not participati.ng

[The Nutty Pig]

Even though she talks about the British I think the context is still there
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMJf-EoRc1g[/youtube]
It is better to stand up against the Nazi regime and to have lost then to let them slowly defeat all your neighbouring countries, until they finally come for you

[Tali]

Even though she talks about the British I think the context is still there
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMJf-EoRc1g[/youtube]
It is better to stand up against the Nazi regime and to have lost then to let them slowly defeat all your neighbouring countries, until they finally come for you

If it was on life or death, conquer or be conquered, then yes, I'd be keen to agree with you. However, history isn't as white and black as you seem to draw it. I'd say it is fairly understandable why the neutral countries remained neutral if they could during WW2, and today, with facts in hand, I'd say there is noting wrong with it.

Both Sweden and Switzerland managed to avoid a Axis invasion for similar reasons. The Swedes exported iron to Germany, whilst Switzerland offered access to it's alpic tunnels, making German trading with Italy easier. Had either Sweden or Switzerland withdrew these services, they were likely to find themselves at war with the Nazis.

I am curious of how many countries in Europe that would have "Fought tyranny" if tyranny had not invaded them first.

[The Nutty Pig]

But you do have to admit that Sweden, Switzerland and other neutral countries were essentially just buying time, there was no way that Hitler would have let them stay independent if they would have conquered he rest of Europe.
While Poland did make a stand against them, if every country in Europe had the same mentality of Sweden and Switzerland, we will just give them what they want and hopefully they will leave us alone, what would have happened to the world? Also do you think on a personal level what Switzerland and Sweden did was right?     

[Gokiller]

There was an actuall plan to take over Switserland, but the operation got halted because of the heavy casualties the Wehrmacht would have got with actuall little gain. (Except easier ways to move to Italy) So you could say the Switsers were rather lucky.

Gotta love all the Dutch pride.

It's amazing how you guys, very much like baktech, manages to find pride in beeing conquered. 

It's not being pride on being conquered that's retarded. It's being pride on the way we fought back while being conquered by a power we never could have beaten.

You need to get some national pride somewhere.

[von_Bismarck]

But you do have to admit that Sweden, Switzerland and other neutral countries were essentially just buying time, there was no way that Hitler would have let them stay independent if they would have conquered he rest of Europe.
While Poland did make a stand against them, if every country in Europe had the same mentality of Sweden and Switzerland, we will just give them what they want and hopefully they will leave us alone, what would have happened to the world? Also do you think on a personal level what Switzerland and Sweden did was right?   

Hitler wasn't going to take over the rest of europe, that's ridiculous. What switzerland and Sweden did is the correct thing, no one wants to intervene in a foreign war. If the allies didn't intervened in the invasion of Poland then there wouldn't be a second world war since Hitler's territorial claims had finished.
You all should stop watching movies like 'Saving Private Ryan', they distort the reality.

[The Nutty Pig]

So you agree that if Hitler would have achieved all his goals like Lebensraum, he would have never attacked any other countries in Europe? If Hitler had defeated the Soviets and taking the whole east of Europe, I don't think that would of been the last military invasion of 'the Thousand Year Reich'

[von_Bismarck]

So you agree that if Hitler would have achieved all his goals like Lebensraum, he would have never attacked any other countries in Europe? If Hitler had defeated the Soviets and taking the whole east of Europe, I don't think that would of been the last military invasion of 'the Thousand Year Reich'

Germany lost much of it's territory after the first world war and in that were based the hitler's territorial claims. The hitler's view of the 1914 borders as inefficient was actually an ideological metaphor in the early days of Nazism.
Austria and Poland would have calmed the territorial ambitions of hitler and there wouldn't be a second world war.

[The Nutty Pig]

Only Hitler would have still invaded Eastern Europe, the Nazis wanted to invade and use the slav races of Eastern Europe as slaves, and use their land for the German people living space, so there would have still be a second world war, also you are forgetting the Italians and te Japanese   

[von_Bismarck]

Only Hitler would have still invaded Eastern Europe, the Nazis wanted to invade and use the slav races of Eastern Europe as slaves, and use their land for the German people living space, so there would have still be a second world war, also you are forgetting the Italians and the Japanese

Neither the united kingdom nor france would have helped the Soviet Union in a eventual nazi invasion, furthermore,  the communist/capitalist rift would have hindered any alliance. Mussolini wouldn't have done anything if Hitler didn't told him to.

[Willhelm]

Spoiler

But Baktech lives in Britain

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