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Most epic battles
« on: January 08, 2013, 02:47:03 am »
Post the most epic and interesting battles you have heard of.
Battle of Teutoburg forest: 3 Roman legions where decimated by an alliance of Germanic tribes in 6AD

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Advancing, the Roman army was strung out in a marching formation with camp followers interspersed. Reports also indicate that Varus neglected to send out scouting parties to prevent an ambush. As the army entered the Teutoburg Forest, a storm broke and a heavy rain began. This, along with poor roads and rough terrain, stretched the Roman column to between nine to twelve miles long. With the Romans struggling through the forest, the first Germanic attacks began. Conducting hit and run strikes, Arminius' men picked away at the strung out enemy.


Aware that the wooded terrain prevented the Romans from forming for battle, the Germanic warriors worked to gain local superiority against isolated groups of legionaries. Taking losses through the day, the Romans constructed a fortified camp for the night. Pushing forward in the morning, they continued to suffer badly before reaching open country. Seeking relief, Varus began moving towards the Roman base at Halstern which was 60 miles to the southwest. This required re-entering wooded country. Enduring the heavy rain and continued attacks, the Romans pushed on through the night in an effort to escape.


The next day, the Romans were faced with a trap prepared by the tribes near Kalkriese Hill. Here the road was constricted by a large bog to the north and the wooded hill to the south. In preparation for meeting the Romans, the Germanic tribesmen had built ditches and walls blocking the road. With few choices remaining, the Romans began a series of assaults against the walls. These were repulsed and in the course of the fighting Numonius Vala fled with the Roman cavalry. With Varus' men reeling, the Germanic tribes swarmed over the walls and attacked.


Slamming into the mass of Roman soldiers, the Germanic tribesmen overwhelmed the enemy and began a mass slaughter. With his army disintegrating, Varus committed suicide rather than be captured. His example was followed by many of his higher ranking officers.

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Re: Most epic battles
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2013, 10:33:35 am »
The battle of badgers mouth is not one I see mentioned all that much.

Fearing the mongol advance, the Jin (Chinese) withdrew all their garrisons west of modern Beijing, and assembled them all, roughly 500.000 men, in a pass called The badger mouth. It was a mountain valley surrounded by mountains peaks. The Jin, knowing that Mongols were all but unbeatable in open terrain, wished to use this narrow pass where his heavy regiments would have the advantage.

The Mongols, numbering around 100.000 tribesmen, sent two separate forces to scale the mountains and left the main force to cross the vally, something the Jin hadn't calculated due to the height of the mountaintops. They thought it couldn't be done. When the battle commenced, the two minor forces all but routed the enemy cavalry, leaving the blob of Heavy Infantry to be massacred from three sides by some of the finest archers in history.

It is estimated that the entire Jin army got annihilated, whilst the mongols lost up to 20,000. Of course, numbers are not reliable for 900 year old battles, but this is the best estimate I've read.

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Re: Most epic battles
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2013, 06:24:46 pm »
Battle of the Cowpens

Greatest pincer movement ever. Out of 1,076 British troops engaged, 110 dead, 830 captured.


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Re: Most epic battles
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2013, 10:46:01 pm »
Battle of Gallipoli. Great victory by my ancestor against hte British, French and British colonies/allies (Australia, New Zealand, India  and Newfoundland). We were heavily outnumbered and out teched, but by smart moves and troop placement, we pulled off a victory and this was proably one of the most decisive battles of Turkish independence war.

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Re: Most epic battles
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2013, 03:20:09 pm »
Battle of Haelen
12 August 1914

Five regiments of Belgian cavalry successfully fought off six regiments of German cavalry. The Belgian commander, Lieutenant-General Leon de Witte, ordered his men to dismount and meet the German attack with their rifle fire and inflicted significant casualties on the German cavalry - who were trying to charge the Belgian position with sabers and lances. The end casualties were 160 killed 320 wounded for the Belgians and 150 killed, 600 wounded, and 300 captured for the Germans. The Belgians succeeded in essentially taking out 1050 German cavalrymen in a single engagement. It was nicknamed "The Battle of the Silver Helmets" because of all the shiny German helmets lying on the battlefield. Belgian cavalry was rather impressive during World War One, I know there are all sorts of paintings and stories of Belgian lancers driving off German infantry.

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Re: Most epic battles
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2013, 10:12:45 pm »
Many of the Greek Independance Battles were epic and i will start to put some of these here

Battle of Valtetsi



The Battle of Valtetsi was fought between General Kolokotronis and Kehayabey Mustafa. Mustafa was ordered to take the greek camp of Valtetsi with 5000 Turkalbanians versus 3000 Greeks. The greek strategy was to fortify the 4 towers houses in the area. The turks assaulted directly while having a small force to cut off the expected greek retreat to the mountains paths. They managed to take a few facilities but the fierce resistance made then to demand Kehayabey's reinforcements. Meanwhile Kolokotronis' force attacked the ottoman flanks and another greek contingent , under Platoutas' command help the greeks to rout them and win the battle. They captured a lot of ammo and 2 cannons. And tradiotion says that when the Turks retreated Captain Kyriakoulis shouted.

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Που πας βρε κερατόμπεη, και συ σκυλαρβανίτη; Δεν είν’ της Κόρθος τα χωριά, τ’ Αργίτικα κορίτσια, εδώ το λένε Τρίκορφα, εδώ το λεν’ Βαλτέτσι!
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Where are you going you cuckold Bey, and you Albanian dog ? These are neither the villages of Corinth nor the Argive girls. This place is called Trikorfa, this place is called Valtetsi!
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Re: Most epic battles
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2013, 10:21:38 pm »
Battle of La Coruna



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It was late in the year and the retreat was one of great hardship. From Astorgas Napoleon left Marshal Soult to conduct the pursuit. The British rearguard comprising General Paget’s reserve brigade, Colonel Craufurd’s brigade and the Cavalry seized every opportunity to hold off the French. A skilful holding action was conducted by the cavalry at Benevente and by the whole army at Lugo.

Other than for the rearguard the discipline of many of the British regiments of foot disintegrated and the troops ravaged the countryside and villages through which they passed. A notorious incident took place at Bembibre where 200 British soldiers became so drunk in a cellar that they had to be left for the French (the figure is officially recorded in a return).

The army marched into the port of Corunna on the night of 11th January 1809, many of the troops in a state of exhaustion. The French were some distance behind but the fleet was not in harbour. The transports did not reach Corunna from Vigo until 15th January 1809.

Moore formed his army south of Corunna between the village of Elvina and the sea. Soult’s corps carried out a frontal attack on the British line with the emphasis on the British right flank at Elvina. The French took Elvina but were driven out by the 42nd Highlanders and the 50th Foot. They counter-attacked and recaptured the village. Short of ammunition, the two regiments returned to the assault led by Moore and the French were driven out again at the point of the bayonet. At the moment of victory Sir John Moore was struck by a round shot and fatally injured. Lying stricken, Sir John enquired as to the state of the battle and was reassured that the French had been beaten back. The French attack along the British line faded away, Paget’s reserve division driving back a late incursion around the open right flank.

The next day the army was embarked on the transports. One of the last duties of the 9th Foot was to bury Sir John Moore on the city ramparts.

Full account of battle here.

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Re: Most epic battles
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2013, 10:33:25 pm »
From the book"Captain Coignet", an Grenadier in Napoleon's Old Guard tells about marching up the plateau at the Battle of  Austerlitz,

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"Our battalions mounted the hill carrying arms, and when
within reach, saluted the first line with fire by battalions, and
then crossed bayonets with the first line of the Russians, beat-
ing a charge. Contrary to custom, the Emperor had ordered
that the musicians should remain at their post in the centre
of each battalion. Our corps of musicians was full, with
its chief, an old trooper of at least sixty years, at its head.
They played a song we all knew well.

On va leur percer le flanc,
Ran, ran, ran, rantanplan, tirelire,
Rantanplan tirelire en plan,
On va leur percer le flanc,

Que nous allons rire !

Ran, tan, plan, tirelire,

Que nous allons rire!

While this air was played, the drums, under the direction
of M. Senot, their major, an accomplished man, beat a charge
loud enough to break their drumheads in. The drums and
music mingled together. It was enough to make a paralytic
move forward !

When we reached the summit of the plateau we were only
separated from the enemy by the remnant of the corps, who
had been fighting in front of us since morning. Our right
wing suffered very much. We saw that they could not ascend
that steep mountain. The whole of the guard of the Russian
Emperor was massed on this height. But we were strongly
supported on the right. Their cavalry charged upon a battalion of the 4th,
and strewed the field with their dead bodies.
The Emperor perceived this, and ordered General Rapp to
charge. Eapp dashed forward with his horsemen and the
Mamelukes, delivered the battalion, but was driven back by the
Russian guard. The Emperor ordered us to halt, and sent
forward first the Mamelukes and light-horsemen. These Mame-
lukes were marvellous riders ; they could do anything they chose
on horseback. With their curved sabres, they would take a
man's head off with one blow, and with their sharp stirrups
they could cut the loins of a soldier. One of them came three
different times up to the Emperor bringing a Russian standard.
The third time, the Emperor wished to stop him, but he dashed
in again, and returned no more. He rested on the field of
battle.

The light-horsemen were no less effective than the Mame-
lukes, but they had to contend with a force too strong for
them. The Russian imperial guard was composed of gigantic
men who fought with desperation. Our cavalry was at last
driven back. Then the Emperor let loose his " black horses,"
that is, his horse grenadiers, commanded by General Bessieres.
They passed by us like a streak of lightning, and fell upon
the enemy. For a quarter of an hour there was a desperate
struggle, and that quarter of an hour seemed to us an age.
We could see nothing through the smoke and dust. We
feared we should see our comrades sabred in their turn. We
were advancing slowly behind them, and if they had been
defeated it would have been our turn.

There was a confusion for several minutes ; everything went
pell-mell, and no one knew which had the upper hand j but
our grenadiers came off conquerors, and returned to their
position behind the Emperor. General Rapp came back
covered with blood, bringing a prince with him. "
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Re: Most epic battles
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2013, 10:39:33 pm »
From the book"Captain Coignet", an Grenadier in Napoleon's Old Guard tells about marching up the plateau at the Battle of  Austerlitz,

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"Our battalions mounted the hill carrying arms, and when
within reach, saluted the first line with fire by battalions, and
then crossed bayonets with the first line of the Russians, beat-
ing a charge. Contrary to custom, the Emperor had ordered
that the musicians should remain at their post in the centre
of each battalion. Our corps of musicians was full, with
its chief, an old trooper of at least sixty years, at its head.
They played a song we all knew well.

On va leur percer le flanc,
Ran, ran, ran, rantanplan, tirelire,
Rantanplan tirelire en plan,
On va leur percer le flanc,

Que nous allons rire !

Ran, tan, plan, tirelire,

Que nous allons rire!

While this air was played, the drums, under the direction
of M. Senot, their major, an accomplished man, beat a charge
loud enough to break their drumheads in. The drums and
music mingled together. It was enough to make a paralytic
move forward !

When we reached the summit of the plateau we were only
separated from the enemy by the remnant of the corps, who
had been fighting in front of us since morning. Our right
wing suffered very much. We saw that they could not ascend
that steep mountain. The whole of the guard of the Russian
Emperor was massed on this height. But we were strongly
supported on the right. Their cavalry charged upon a battalion of the 4th,
and strewed the field with their dead bodies.
The Emperor perceived this, and ordered General Rapp to
charge. Eapp dashed forward with his horsemen and the
Mamelukes, delivered the battalion, but was driven back by the
Russian guard. The Emperor ordered us to halt, and sent
forward first the Mamelukes and light-horsemen. These Mame-
lukes were marvellous riders ; they could do anything they chose
on horseback. With their curved sabres, they would take a
man's head off with one blow, and with their sharp stirrups
they could cut the loins of a soldier. One of them came three
different times up to the Emperor bringing a Russian standard.
The third time, the Emperor wished to stop him, but he dashed
in again, and returned no more. He rested on the field of
battle.

The light-horsemen were no less effective than the Mame-
lukes, but they had to contend with a force too strong for
them. The Russian imperial guard was composed of gigantic
men who fought with desperation. Our cavalry was at last
driven back. Then the Emperor let loose his " black horses,"
that is, his horse grenadiers, commanded by General Bessieres.
They passed by us like a streak of lightning, and fell upon
the enemy. For a quarter of an hour there was a desperate
struggle, and that quarter of an hour seemed to us an age.
We could see nothing through the smoke and dust. We
feared we should see our comrades sabred in their turn. We
were advancing slowly behind them, and if they had been
defeated it would have been our turn.

There was a confusion for several minutes ; everything went
pell-mell, and no one knew which had the upper hand j but
our grenadiers came off conquerors, and returned to their
position behind the Emperor. General Rapp came back
covered with blood, bringing a prince with him. "
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That's great! I cant believe there are no Mameluke regiments.

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Re: Most epic battles
« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2013, 04:43:53 am »
Okay I've got a few...
Battle of the Plains of Abraham (1759)
The Battle of the Plains of Abraham, also known as the Battle of Quebec, (Bataille des Plaines d'Abraham or Première bataille de Québec in French) was a pivotal battle in the Seven Years' War (referred to as the French and Indian War in the United States). The battle, which began on 13 September 1759, was fought between the British Army and Navy, and the French Army, on a plateau just outside the walls of Quebec City, on land that was originally owned by a farmer named Abraham Martin, hence the name of the battle.

The battle involved fewer than 10,000 troops between both sides, but proved to be a deciding moment in the conflict between France and Britain over the fate of New France, influencing the later creation of Canada.

The culmination of a three-month siege by the British, the battle lasted about 15 minutes. British troops commanded by General James Wolfe successfully resisted the column advance of French troops and Canadian military under Louis-Joseph, Marquis de Montcalm, using new tactics that proved extremely effective against standard military formations used in most large European conflicts. Both generals were mortally wounded during the battle; Wolfe received a blow that would end his life within only a few minutes of engagement and Montcalm died the next morning after receiving a musket ball wound just below his ribs. In the wake of the battle, France's remaining military force in Canada and the rest of North America came under increasing pressure from British forces.

While the French forces continued to fight and prevailed in several battles after Quebec was captured, the British did not relinquish their hold on the fortress. That tenacity carried over to other areas in North America; within four years, with the Treaty of Paris, most of France's possessions in eastern North America would be ceded to Great Britain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Plains_of_Abraham
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I've always found it interesting for the huge role it played in shaping the future of North America, and the fact that both of the commanders were killed in action.

Retreat of the Ten Thousand/Battle of Cunaxa (401-399 BC)
Cyrus II was the brother of the Persian King, Artaxerxes II, and developed elaborate plans for seizing the throne himself. During the final years of the Peloponnesian War, he gave significant aid to Sparta, and when the war was over, gathered an army, which included 10,000, Greeks, mostly Spartans. His ostensible purpose was to lead an expedition to put down an unruly tribe in the Taurus mountains, but at the last minute, changed course and marched towards Babylon. Artaxeres II barely had warning to put together an army to meet Cyrus at Cuxana. During the battle Xenophon stated that the Greek heavy troops scattered their opposition twice; only one Greek was even wounded. Only after the battle did they hear that Cyrus had been killed, making their victory irrelevant and the expedition a failure.

The Greek army, under Clearchus the Spartan, was now left stranded thousands of miles inside enemy territory. At first Tissaphernes, a Satrap of Caris, offered to guide them back to Asia Minor, but after gaining their trust, treacherously killed their leaders, and surrounded the army. The Greeks, at this point, elected new officers and decided to fight their way out through the mountains of Asia Minor in order to avoid confronting an amassed Persian Army bent on their annihilation. Their retreat lasted over a year, and involved dozens of skirmishes with local tribes, near starvation, and forced marches through desolate mountains in the winter.
The entire expedition was recorded by Xenophon, a Athenian Scholar, an student of Socrates, who accompanied the group as an aide, but was elected an officer, after the murder of their original leaders. His work, The Anabasis, (the title means "The March Up"), is one of the classics of ancient literature.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cunaxa
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Thousand_(Greek)
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The perseverance of this band of mercenaries has always astounded me.

Battle of Lake Peipus (1242)
Also known as the Battle of the Ice, this was a great medieval battle that checked the Eastward expansion of not only the Teutonic Knightly orders, but also of Roman Catholicism in 13th Century Russia.

It was a battle between the Teutonic Knights and their Estonian peasant allies (all led by Prince-Bishop Herman of Dorpat who was intent on invading the neighboring Novgorod. The troops included those of the Order as well as the Estonian troops (Chuds) totaling about 4000.

The exiled prince Alexander Nevsky of Novgorod was begged to come back by the people when they knew that the Teutonics were coming to get them, so they begged Alexander to come back - which he did. He hooked up with his brother Andrei. Their forces consisted of the Druzhina (bodyguards) of the two princes, plus Pagans and Eastern Orthodox Christian troops (total about 5000).

The battle was fought over the thick ice of Lake Peipus and the attached Lake Pskovskoe. According to contemporary Russian chronicles, after hours of hand-to-hand fighting, Alexander ordered the left and right wings of his archers to enter the battle. The knights by that time were exhausted from the constant struggle on the slippery surface of the frozen lake. The Crusaders started to retreat in disarray deeper onto the ice, and the appearance of the fresh Russian cavalry made them run for their lives. When the knights attempted to rally at the far side of the lake, the thin ice began to give way under the weight of their heavy armour, and many knights drowned.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Ice
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Always found this battle very interesting, even if historians aren't certain it was as large or important as it's been made out to be.

EDIT: I always use the word always, apparently... :P

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« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2013, 03:06:21 am »
The battle of badgers mouth is not one I see mentioned all that much.

Fearing the mongol advance, the Jin (Chinese) withdrew all their garrisons west of modern Beijing, and assembled them all, roughly 500.000 men, in a pass called The badger mouth. It was a mountain valley surrounded by mountains peaks. The Jin, knowing that Mongols were all but unbeatable in open terrain, wished to use this narrow pass where his heavy regiments would have the advantage.

The Mongols, numbering around 100.000 tribesmen, sent two separate forces to scale the mountains and left the main force to cross the vally, something the Jin hadn't calculated due to the height of the mountaintops. They thought it couldn't be done. When the battle commenced, the two minor forces all but routed the enemy cavalry, leaving the blob of Heavy Infantry to be massacred from three sides by some of the finest archers in history.

It is estimated that the entire Jin army got annihilated, whilst the mongols lost up to 20,000. Of course, numbers are not reliable for 900 year old battles, but this is the best estimate I've read.
Decided to read up on this. The total troop counts are all over the place on sources, all though it is considered one of the most bloodiest days in historic warfare.

Also, I stepped across this quote from Augustus Caeser after being notified of the battle of Teutoburg.
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Re: Most epic battles
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2013, 03:47:28 am »
This isn't really a battle - more of a slaughter, but it's still immensely interesting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Noche_Triste

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« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2013, 07:57:08 am »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_watling_street - rome would of lost britain and it would of been nigh impossible to win it back. The emperor's loss in prestige would of been huge and the success of the british revolt might of inspired other groups to revolt as well. Could of start a cascading series of events that would of crippled the roman empire

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_ipsus - Antigonus was the strongest of the diadochi and he was fighting the rest, had he won this battle he would of reunited alexander's empire. Instead seleukos, ptolemy and co won causing the empire to remain fragmented. Macedon would never recover and get smashed by the romans. Seleucids fought many wars against ptolemics, the would win those wars but it weakened them enough for parthia to emerge. Ptolemies after the seleucids kicked them outa judea held on egypt and just kinda....chilled till the romans annexed them

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Breitenfeld_(1631) - pivotal battle of the 30 years war, started a protestant resurgance in the war, established sweden as a force to be reckoned with while proving that gustav's military reforms were able to topple the tercios. Gustavus was one of the first users of combined arms(maurice of nassau seems to get overlooked for some reason,gustav borrowed a bit form him)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Myeongnyang - admiral yi sun shin, arguably the greatest admiral in history(competely unknown to the western world baring a few it seems). He took 13 ships and beat over 300 japaneese ships, by using his knowledge of the tides and such he outmanuvered and out thought the overconfident japaneese admirals. He would then later pioneer the turtle ships into the korean navy and decisively crush the japaneese with ming china's help.

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Re: Most epic battles
« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2013, 09:58:20 pm »
Battle of Krusi ( Mne vs Turkey ) was an awesome victory, low-supplied Montenegrins versus the heavily supplied and 3x larger Turks..... The battle ended in a decisive victory for Montenegro, confirming its independence for once and for all... En Viva! :D
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« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2013, 07:07:52 am »
Hehe, never change Agovich, we love you! ;D