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Title: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: Dokletian on January 02, 2019, 04:18:58 pm
I was wondering what happened to the idea of inf+cav tournaments, is it discarded already?

imo it was a very refreshing idea that not just brought two communities together (which normally don't interact with each other) but also brought some new competitive vibes into this old game. I'd personally appreciate to see this idea getting picked up again with some improved rules etc.

Not sure if I'm all alone with that opinion

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no hate plz
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Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: General Shepherd on January 02, 2019, 05:39:11 pm
I think, CNWL is mostly is make it this year, but alternative is why not
Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: Rastignac on January 02, 2019, 05:48:49 pm
I think, CNWL is mostly is make it this year, but alternative is why not

Yes.
Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: Yvrul on January 03, 2019, 02:36:21 am
I always wanted to do a native style tourney on NW with cav+infantry+officers+skirms
Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: Herishey on January 03, 2019, 10:21:26 am
I'd say yes. The rules just need to be further defined in terms of when a cav is last alive.

Forcing them to dismount would make the tournament a lot less lengthy.
Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: [2ndHess] lukasoh on January 03, 2019, 01:45:44 pm
I like the idea. Go for it!
Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: Harford on January 03, 2019, 03:11:44 pm
inb4 this never happens
Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: Wursti on January 03, 2019, 04:25:12 pm
I always wanted to fight a Cav that just charges everything at once and runs away until youre bored and quit
Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: Jayke on January 03, 2019, 04:30:15 pm
whichever team has me has won it so I call this tournament a good idea
Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: Dokletian on January 03, 2019, 08:43:56 pm
I always wanted to fight a Cav that just charges everything at once and runs away until youre bored and quit
you most likely fought a bad cav guy then
Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: Lightning. on January 03, 2019, 10:12:43 pm
Lets do something like that then!
Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: QuinnML on January 04, 2019, 05:17:43 am
It's not letting me vote for both 'Yes' and 'Eike Weimann', can you please fix?
   Also yes please organise something like this
      KGL has infantry and cavalry, let us compete together
Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: Wursti on January 04, 2019, 09:11:21 am
It's not letting me vote for both 'Yes' and 'Eike Weimann', can you please fix?
   Also yes please organise something like this
      KGL has infantry and cavalry, let us compete together

Pls I want a good Cav on my side...
Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: Tardet on January 04, 2019, 09:26:44 am
Whoever organize this would have to put some thoughts into the ruleset because such tournament has never been hosted before and in order to make the event fair, interesting and enjoyable for both class, some issues are bound to arise.

But the idea is cool, good luck to whoever hosts it.
Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: QuinnML on January 04, 2019, 09:31:09 am
It's not letting me vote for both 'Yes' and 'Eike Weimann', can you please fix?
   Also yes please organise something like this
      KGL has infantry and cavalry, let us compete together

Pls I want a good Cav on my side...

Please, even I could 1v1 you with bayonet ...

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Not even trolling
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Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: Jayke on January 04, 2019, 09:40:05 am
If hosted can we do on a saturday or maybe a friday sundays are shite
Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: Herishey on January 04, 2019, 09:57:50 am
lol what sort of no life r u hursty, i thought more of you kid.

Whoever organize this would have to put some thoughts into the ruleset because such tournament has never been hosted before and in order to make the event fair, interesting and enjoyable for both class, some issues are bound to arise.

But the idea is cool, good luck to whoever hosts it.
Yes it has.
Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: Jayke on January 04, 2019, 10:29:10 am
lol what sort of no life r u hursty, i thought more of you kid.

Whoever organize this would have to put some thoughts into the ruleset because such tournament has never been hosted before and in order to make the event fair, interesting and enjoyable for both class, some issues are bound to arise.

But the idea is cool, good luck to whoever hosts it.
Yes it has.
native is more important
Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: Herishey on January 04, 2019, 10:29:50 am
lol what sort of no life r u hursty, i thought more of you kid.

Whoever organize this would have to put some thoughts into the ruleset because such tournament has never been hosted before and in order to make the event fair, interesting and enjoyable for both class, some issues are bound to arise.

But the idea is cool, good luck to whoever hosts it.
Yes it has.
native is more important
no life!!
Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: AccursedGull on January 04, 2019, 12:43:19 pm
What about something like that:

6v6 tournament

A match consists of 3 parts. All parts are bo5.
First part is inf only
Second part is cav only
Third part is mixed: 3cav + 3inf

This tournmant forces inf players also to play cav and cav players also to play inf

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Just an idea
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Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: Tardet on January 04, 2019, 12:46:05 pm
lol what sort of no life r u hursty, i thought more of you kid.

Whoever organize this would have to put some thoughts into the ruleset because such tournament has never been hosted before and in order to make the event fair, interesting and enjoyable for both class, some issues are bound to arise.

But the idea is cool, good luck to whoever hosts it.
Yes it has.

where and when? I am speaking about cav regiment + inf regiment
Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: Herishey on January 04, 2019, 01:05:36 pm
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lol what sort of no life r u hursty, i thought more of you kid.

Whoever organize this would have to put some thoughts into the ruleset because such tournament has never been hosted before and in order to make the event fair, interesting and enjoyable for both class, some issues are bound to arise.

But the idea is cool, good luck to whoever hosts it.
Yes it has.

where and when? I am speaking about cav regiment + inf regiment
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I'm sure there was a league years back that had that? I think I even remember playing in a match with either 17e or 77y.
Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: Tardet on January 04, 2019, 01:59:46 pm
I honestly don't remember. I know the idea of hosting a contest with both infs and cavs has been brought several times in the past but I don't know if it has actually been pursued by an actual event.

If we speak about group fighting format, obviously there was Marxeil's recent tournament (https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?topic=39267.0) but when it comes to having an actual league with both infantry and cav regiments being teamed-up to compete against other teams of both cavalry and infantry regiments, there is nothing coming to my memory.

But said memory being what it is, it wouldn't surprise me if such contest had actually taken place and I just can't remember it because I didn't play it.
Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: Jayke on January 04, 2019, 02:02:29 pm
I honestly don't remember. I know the idea of hosting a contest with both infs and cavs has been brought several times in the past but I don't know if it has actually been pursued by an actual event.

If we speak about group fighting format, obviously there was Marxeil's recent tournament (https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?topic=39267.0) but when it comes to having an actual league with both infantry and cav regiments being teamed-up to compete against other teams of both cavalry and infantry regiments, there is nothing coming to my memory.

But said memory being what it is, it wouldn't surprise me if such contest had actually taken place and I just can't remember it because I didn't play it.
There was a brigade tournament a couple of years ago, I was in the 59th sure it was, 59th line, lights, 77y Arty and Miquelets Cavalry.

Then ofc other regiments made there own "brigades"
Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: Herishey on January 04, 2019, 02:04:41 pm
I honestly don't remember. I know the idea of hosting a contest with both infs and cavs has been brought several times in the past but I don't know if it has actually been pursued by an actual event.

If we speak about group fighting format, obviously there was Marxeil's recent tournament (https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?topic=39267.0) but when it comes to having an actual league with both infantry and cav regiments being teamed-up to compete against other teams of both cavalry and infantry regiments, there is nothing coming to my memory.

But said memory being what it is, it wouldn't surprise me if such contest had actually taken place and I just can't remember it because I didn't play it.
There was a brigade tournament a couple of years ago, I was in the 59th sure it was, 59th line, lights, 77y Arty and Miquelets Cavalry.

Then ofc other regiments made there own "brigades"
Yeah that was the one, I played with 77y.
Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: Tardet on January 04, 2019, 02:05:27 pm
Yah I also remember the Brigade/Corps thingy, but it was a '5 class' contest so a bit different from would be an actual 'Cav + Inf League'.
Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: Herishey on January 04, 2019, 02:08:49 pm
Don't get finicky with me sonny jim.
Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: Tardet on January 04, 2019, 02:41:14 pm
Don't get finicky with me sonny jim.

Sorry Dad, no need to get the leash, I will keep it quiet.
Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: Jayke on January 04, 2019, 02:45:11 pm
No Tardet you can speak Herishey is a bumder
Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: Herishey on January 04, 2019, 03:36:46 pm
Okay Mr let's have a tournament on Saturday.  ::)
Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: Jayke on January 04, 2019, 03:56:51 pm
Okay Mr let's have a tournament on Saturday.  ::)
Ludus, actually I'd rather slap you in real life
Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: QuinnML on January 07, 2019, 10:08:51 pm
The only such event KGL played in was the M.Points mixed 8v8 tournament; https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?topic=39267.0. It was actually quite fun, even if we did get slapped out in the first round by a much better team. If such a thing was hosted again, at 8v8 or higher numbers, I'd definitely sign us up for it. I hope the idea of cavalry and infantry mixed events is not forgotten
Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: QuinnML on January 25, 2019, 09:52:55 am
I hope the idea of cavalry and infantry mixed events is not forgotten
Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: Olof on January 25, 2019, 10:13:25 am
we got rekt in the first round by a much worse team.
fixed
Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: Coco. on January 25, 2019, 12:36:08 pm
very good idea but don't put a dismount rule please and please don't accept peoples sitting in a corner like Animals vs Poosy where poosy where in 7v1 and stay in a corner ;)
Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: Herishey on January 25, 2019, 12:54:15 pm
Without a dismount rule the tournament would take 4 hours like last time because cavalry will just ride around delaying.
Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: Coco. on January 25, 2019, 01:04:34 pm
Without a dismount rule the tournament would take 4 hours like last time because cavalry will just ride around delaying.
not agree he had a lot of kills, NW it's a game of patience, you are not good in some days but some years, so everyone should have fun if they are focus cav can't do anything bro ;)
Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: Lightning. on January 25, 2019, 01:05:03 pm
Without a dismount rule the tournament would take 4 hours like last time because cavalry will just ride around winning those clutches.
Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: Coco. on January 25, 2019, 01:09:30 pm
Without a dismount rule the tournament would take 4 hours like last time because cavalry will just ride around winning those clutches.
let's play bo and not ft and all no dismount rule and corner rule ;)
Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: Herishey on January 25, 2019, 01:23:05 pm
Without a dismount rule the tournament would take 4 hours like last time because cavalry will just ride around winning those clutches.
let's play bo and not ft and all no dismount rule and corner rule ;)
And it'll still take 4 hours.
Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: Lightning. on January 25, 2019, 01:30:27 pm
Without a dismount rule the tournament would take 4 hours like last time because cavalry will just ride around winning those clutches.
let's play bo and not ft and all no dismount rule and corner rule ;)
And it'll still take 4 hours.
Well Cav matches take long thats right. I think with the right ruleset you can create a good tournament.
Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: Coco. on January 25, 2019, 01:31:36 pm
Without a dismount rule the tournament would take 4 hours like last time because cavalry will just ride around winning those clutches.
let's play bo and not ft and all no dismount rule and corner rule ;)
And it'll still take 4 hours.
don't think so let's make a poll maybe or something like dismount duel rule and peoples can't be in 4v1, it will be 4 times a 1v1....
Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: Herishey on January 25, 2019, 01:32:10 pm
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Without a dismount rule the tournament would take 4 hours like last time because cavalry will just ride around winning those clutches.
let's play bo and not ft and all no dismount rule and corner rule ;)
And it'll still take 4 hours.
Well Cav matches take long thats right. I think with the right ruleset you can create a good tournament.
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I think with a tournament/league that is hosted with cav and infantry if it takes too long the infantry players will simply get bored before it is finished.
Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: Lightning. on January 25, 2019, 01:37:57 pm
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Without a dismount rule the tournament would take 4 hours like last time because cavalry will just ride around winning those clutches.
let's play bo and not ft and all no dismount rule and corner rule ;)
And it'll still take 4 hours.
Well Cav matches take long thats right. I think with the right ruleset you can create a good tournament.
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I think with a tournament/league that is hosted with cav and infantry if it takes too long the infantry players will simply get bored before it is finished.
Alot of the people get bored of other tournaments before they are finished aswell  ;)
Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: Herishey on January 25, 2019, 01:40:03 pm
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Without a dismount rule the tournament would take 4 hours like last time because cavalry will just ride around winning those clutches.
let's play bo and not ft and all no dismount rule and corner rule ;)
And it'll still take 4 hours.
Well Cav matches take long thats right. I think with the right ruleset you can create a good tournament.
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I think with a tournament/league that is hosted with cav and infantry if it takes too long the infantry players will simply get bored before it is finished.
Alot of the people get bored of other tournaments before they are finished aswell  ;)
They do, but there is a big difference between being bored for 1.5-2 hours than 4-5 hours.
Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: Lightning. on January 25, 2019, 02:44:09 pm
Spoiler
Without a dismount rule the tournament would take 4 hours like last time because cavalry will just ride around winning those clutches.
let's play bo and not ft and all no dismount rule and corner rule ;)
And it'll still take 4 hours.
Well Cav matches take long thats right. I think with the right ruleset you can create a good tournament.
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I think with a tournament/league that is hosted with cav and infantry if it takes too long the infantry players will simply get bored before it is finished.
Alot of the people get bored of other tournaments before they are finished aswell  ;)
They do, but there is a big difference between being bored for 1.5-2 hours than 4-5 hours.
Well as I said with creating the right ruleset to prevent this its possible to create a nice tournament.
Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: Coco. on January 25, 2019, 02:52:23 pm
if you don't have the time to play this kind of tournament just don't take part  ;D
Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: Herishey on January 25, 2019, 02:54:59 pm
if you don't have the time to play this kind of tournament just don't take part  ;D
Then an event designed to bring both communities together would fail as most of the infantry community would not want to attend.
Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: Lightning. on January 25, 2019, 03:29:14 pm
if you don't have the time to play this kind of tournament just don't take part  ;D
Then an event designed to bring both communities together would fail as most of the infantry community would not want to attend.
With that kind of mindest yes. Why dont give it a try as a player. Whats the worst that could happen? You waste some time? People do that all day.
Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: Herishey on January 25, 2019, 04:06:57 pm
if you don't have the time to play this kind of tournament just don't take part  ;D
Then an event designed to bring both communities together would fail as most of the infantry community would not want to attend.
With that kind of mindest yes. Why dont give it a try as a player. Whats the worst that could happen? You waste some time? People do that all day.
We (we being the inf community) tried it before as a player and already said the exact things I'm saying above.......
Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: Lightning. on January 25, 2019, 04:13:27 pm
if you don't have the time to play this kind of tournament just don't take part  ;D
Then an event designed to bring both communities together would fail as most of the infantry community would not want to attend.
With that kind of mindest yes. Why dont give it a try as a player. Whats the worst that could happen? You waste some time? People do that all day.
We (we being the inf community) tried it before as a player and already said the exact things I'm saying above.......
I know because I was there. But the tourney was badly planned imo. And for me it was fun.
Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: Herishey on January 25, 2019, 04:27:18 pm
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if you don't have the time to play this kind of tournament just don't take part  ;D
Then an event designed to bring both communities together would fail as most of the infantry community would not want to attend.
With that kind of mindest yes. Why dont give it a try as a player. Whats the worst that could happen? You waste some time? People do that all day.
We (we being the inf community) tried it before as a player and already said the exact things I'm saying above.......
I know because I was there. But the tourney was badly planned imo. And for me it was fun.
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Yes and the majority of the infantry players I spoke to or saw post about it didn't find it so. So I am simply saying that the ruleset would need to be more specific so that each round doesn't take 20 minutes if you want to get proper interest from the infantry community. In reality I'm not really sure what you're arguing about as your posts seem irrelevant in relation to Coco's.
Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: AccursedGull on January 25, 2019, 04:37:08 pm
What about something like that:

6v6 tournament

A match consists of 3 parts. All parts are bo3.
First part is inf only
Second part is cav only
Third part is mixed: 3cav + 3inf

This tournmant forces inf players also to play cav and cav players also to play inf

Spoiler
Just an idea
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I think it wouldn't take that much time
Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: QuinnML on February 06, 2019, 06:27:57 am
Combining NWWC and CNC teams into one national inf+cav tournie when
Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: Herishey on February 06, 2019, 09:57:16 am
We can't do that before we can at least find a normal format both sides agree on.
Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: Coco. on March 14, 2019, 04:16:44 pm
let's play this tournament ;)
Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: John Price on March 14, 2019, 04:35:37 pm
I always wanted to host a Cav + Infantry 3v3 tournament.

By 3v3 I mean 3 full regiments where each regiment was only allowed to go +1 over the other side per line like a normal 1v1/NWL. I think actually this would be better now as the skill level etc. is more even but the Cavalry would need to be limited to 10 I think. Anymore would be too much if they face opponents with 2 lines of 15.
Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: Coco. on March 14, 2019, 04:54:05 pm
I was thinking of a cav and inf tournament like the last one but we can do the two: 2 cavs for exemple and 6-7 inf something like that :)

Your idea of a cav and inf tournament with regiments it's good I think we can do something like that with balance +1 for line or inf. The balance should depends for inf and cav of the number of the other team. For exemple : 18e have 15 guys (line) in game and play with nr4 for exemple who have 14 cavs in game so it's mean the other team can have only +1 max for inf and +1 max for cav it's mean: 16 for the line and 15 for the cav...

I think like that it's can be good, 45eme played with 7e Huss in the past vs 14pk and 12pp if I remember well and against 2eFusGre and 9eHuss :)
Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: John Price on March 14, 2019, 05:04:22 pm
In a competitive tournament you cannot do 15 cavalry if your lines are only 15 men in size. The cav guys might not like that but its the only way to avoid having them steamroll over smaller regiments.

It would have to be 10. We could make it so that lets say, every 5 infantry the cavalry can add 1 extra member in and so on.

So it could be: 18e (15) + 2eFusGren (15) + 4e_Huss (10) = 35

or 18e (25) + 15th (20) + 4e_Huss (15) = 60

Pretty sure any competent cav leader can tell you that having 15 cavalry in a 40v40 or 35v35 etc. is just way too easy for them.
Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: Coco. on March 14, 2019, 05:08:29 pm
Maybe we need to fix the number so one cav for 3 infs why not but 5 it's a lot I think , imagine you are the last cav for clutch it's more easy in 1v3 and not impossible for inf to lost.

That's one of the 2v2 who happens : 45eme and 7e Huss vs 14pk and 12pp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXE5LxIbq9U

Who will host this kind of matchs btw?

at the beginning I was thinking about something like that but with a rule against camping in a corner : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7gYfJ5lbIk

We can do the two it's can be nice :)
Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: Dokletian on March 15, 2019, 04:55:30 pm
I always wanted to host a Cav + Infantry 3v3 tournament.

By 3v3 I mean 3 full regiments where each regiment was only allowed to go +1 over the other side per line like a normal 1v1/NWL. I think actually this would be better now as the skill level etc. is more even but the Cavalry would need to be limited to 10 I think. Anymore would be too much if they face opponents with 2 lines of 15.
That‘s a pretty good idea but the risk of having stacked teams (e.g 91st + 15th YR + 4e) is rather big
Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: Coco. on March 15, 2019, 05:00:30 pm
15th want nr6 or I leave 15th ;D ;D

We can do something like 91st and 15th and nr6 vs 18e, KKA and 4e Huss /Nr4
Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: John Price on March 15, 2019, 05:13:39 pm
I always wanted to host a Cav + Infantry 3v3 tournament.

By 3v3 I mean 3 full regiments where each regiment was only allowed to go +1 over the other side per line like a normal 1v1/NWL. I think actually this would be better now as the skill level etc. is more even but the Cavalry would need to be limited to 10 I think. Anymore would be too much if they face opponents with 2 lines of 15.
That‘s a pretty good idea but the risk of having stacked teams (e.g 91st + 15th YR + 4e) is rather big
Of course I wouldn't allow that.

KKA wouldn't play a tourney like this.
Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: Coco. on March 15, 2019, 05:29:15 pm
so don't know 23rd, 17th and 15th vs 18e, 91st and 3pp for line...
Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: John Price on March 15, 2019, 05:36:09 pm
I think we would have to let people sign up their teams, then essentially mix up any teams we feel imbalance the groups.

Title: Re: Inf+Cav Tournament(s) in 2019?
Post by: Coco. on March 15, 2019, 10:59:48 pm
yes :)