ATS | 6v6 Classic Tournament | 25.09

[Herishey]

You say 'lets just try something' but both this series and others have done it in the past, so far it's always gone shite and ended up reverting for that reason. Doing more test runs will only lead to the same results, this is quite literally the definition of insanity. Doing unconventional tournaments doesn't mean you should just use retarded formats for the fun of it. 'Unconventional tournaments' btw, 'Classic 6v6' teehee.

EDIT: MarxeiL beat me to it the rat.

Ye I see ur point but in my opinion it will make group-stages far more competitive since every round counts. Which is ultimately something I want to see.

'Far more competitive' is definitely an over-statement. Quite often 'good' teams will lose a few rounds to any old teams if they underestimate them or just start not playing properly as they believe them to not be a challenge where as against a middle-ground or lower-good team they then go full tryhard. So the worse team gets a 5-3 but the better team gets a  5-0 against the same opponent due to the mentality of NW players/teams. That won't change so the middle to lower-good teams could easily be done in by such a system whilst shite teams make it one more round only to be ruined in the knockouts. That's not more competitive it's delaying the inevitable.

To be clear I don't believe it'll effect the very top teams, your Renegades or RT's but other 'good' teams will lose out due to the poor mentality from a lot of top/better players.

The real problem is the amount of tournament format from 5v5 to 8v8 so basically your team need to have 8 good players to win a 8v8 but in a 5v5 you have 3 "good player" lock in spec. So to have a perfect competitive scene you need to just have 5v5 format with no player on the bench like csgo etc and you will have like 6 good team playing for the win.

This is not entirely wrong, but I believe it's too late to resolve that issue since most teams now have so many players and wouldn't want to drop a bunch, The scene would be a lot more competitive with only 5v5/6v6's though.

[Golden.]

@Fietta while I don't disagree with most of your point's I think you are looking at this too logically, yes on paper each round becomes more important however overall in a tournament scenario it's completely different.

I don't want to reiterate some of herishey's and others points, however I would like to bring to light some bits of empirical evidence where we have tried this before, once was the PTK and I know the bracket was wrong but you still didn't change it and went ahead with the shit decision (very worrying).

Second is a Marxeil and I think Wursti tournament, don't remember the format but it was one big group with a round based system and I distinctly remember winning based of a single round with PB in a match against a Russian team and that was the deciding factor.

It felt garbage to win like we hadn't achieved what we wanted, in addition to that I remember we 7-0 snappers and they really did get unlucky in our match and despite them going on to beat cazadores (who we almost lost to) they ended like 5th in the bracket.

IMO with so few teams in what is an extremely volatile competitive format as others have stated some rounds can go the other way it seems to me like you really are just causing unnecessary drama and trouble.

@Blitz in football its based on 90 minutes + extra time instead of a points limit so a counter argument would be with more time the other team might have won, just like saying well with more rounds we might have won. There is a limit set for a reason it's the first to reach it, it doesn't matter how you got there.

Point's being the decider makes far more sense.

[Python | Smeagol]

ight some bits of empirical evidence where we have tried this before, once was the PTK and I know the bracket was wrong but you still didn't change it and went ahead with the shit decision (very worrying).

Second is a Marxeil and I think Wursti tournament, don't remember the format but it was one big group with a round based system and I distinctly remember winning based of a single round with PB in a match against a Russian team and that was the deciding factor.

It felt garbage to win like we hadn't achieved what we wanted, in addition to that I remember we 7-0 snappers and they really did get unlucky in our match and despite them going on to beat cazadores (who we almost lost to) they ended like 5th in the bracket.

Was that the one where we lost to CCCP (marxeil, DOMI, Ivan etc) like 5-2 or smth but we still won the tourney over them by 1 pt?

[Golden.]

ight some bits of empirical evidence where we have tried this before, once was the PTK and I know the bracket was wrong but you still didn't change it and went ahead with the shit decision (very worrying).

Second is a Marxeil and I think Wursti tournament, don't remember the format but it was one big group with a round based system and I distinctly remember winning based of a single round with PB in a match against a Russian team and that was the deciding factor.

It felt garbage to win like we hadn't achieved what we wanted, in addition to that I remember we 7-0 snappers and they really did get unlucky in our match and despite them going on to beat cazadores (who we almost lost to) they ended like 5th in the bracket.

Was that the one where we lost to CCCP (marxeil, DOMI, Ivan etc) like 5-2 or smth but we still won the tourney over them by 1 pt?

Oh yes that was it!

[Fietta]

@Fietta while I don't disagree with most of your point's I think you are looking at this too logically, yes on paper each round becomes more important however overall in a tournament scenario it's completely different.

I don't want to reiterate some of herishey's and others points, however I would like to bring to light some bits of empirical evidence where we have tried this before, once was the PTK and I know the bracket was wrong but you still didn't change it and went ahead with the shit decision (very worrying).

Second is a Marxeil and I think Wursti tournament, don't remember the format but it was one big group with a round based system and I distinctly remember winning based of a single round with PB in a match against a Russian team and that was the deciding factor.

It felt garbage to win like we hadn't achieved what we wanted, in addition to that I remember we 7-0 snappers and they really did get unlucky in our match and despite them going on to beat cazadores (who we almost lost to) they ended like 5th in the bracket.

IMO with so few teams in what is an extremely volatile competitive format as others have stated some rounds can go the other way it seems to me like you really are just causing unnecessary drama and trouble.

@Blitz in football its based on 90 minutes + extra time instead of a points limit so a counter argument would be with more time the other team might have won, just like saying well with more rounds we might have won. There is a limit set for a reason it's the first to reach it, it doesn't matter how you got there.

Point's being the decider makes far more sense.

fair enough

I don't want to reiterate some of herishey's and others points, however I would like to bring to light some bits of empirical evidence where we have tried this before, once was the PTK and I know the bracket was wrong but you still didn't change it and went ahead with the shit decision (very worrying).

Well, given the choice Giorno and I would've changed it

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[MarxeiL]

ight some bits of empirical evidence where we have tried this before, once was the PTK and I know the bracket was wrong but you still didn't change it and went ahead with the shit decision (very worrying).

Second is a Marxeil and I think Wursti tournament, don't remember the format but it was one big group with a round based system and I distinctly remember winning based of a single round with PB in a match against a Russian team and that was the deciding factor.

It felt garbage to win like we hadn't achieved what we wanted, in addition to that I remember we 7-0 snappers and they really did get unlucky in our match and despite them going on to beat cazadores (who we almost lost to) they ended like 5th in the bracket.

Was that the one where we lost to CCCP (marxeil, DOMI, Ivan etc) like 5-2 or smth but we still won the tourney over them by 1 pt?

Hate it

[David_Schrein]

ight some bits of empirical evidence where we have tried this before, once was the PTK and I know the bracket was wrong but you still didn't change it and went ahead with the shit decision (very worrying).

Second is a Marxeil and I think Wursti tournament, don't remember the format but it was one big group with a round based system and I distinctly remember winning based of a single round with PB in a match against a Russian team and that was the deciding factor.

It felt garbage to win like we hadn't achieved what we wanted, in addition to that I remember we 7-0 snappers and they really did get unlucky in our match and despite them going on to beat cazadores (who we almost lost to) they ended like 5th in the bracket.

Was that the one where we lost to CCCP (marxeil, DOMI, Ivan etc) like 5-2 or smth but we still won the tourney over them by 1 pt?

Hate it

thats only because they lost one tho

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