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why always 6v6 are you matrixed by Match Making ?I am literally hosting a 8v8, 7v7 and a 5v5 lol
why always 6v6 are you matrixed by Match Making ?I am literally hosting a 8v8, 7v7 and a 5v5 lol
why always 6v6 are you matrixed by Match Making ?I am literally hosting a 8v8, 7v7 and a 5v5 lol
where the 5v5 ?
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Team Name: RenegadesI thought it was the new draft team
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Is this gonna be point difference as well ?
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Probably yes, I’ll talk with organisers tho. But with drafts and randomised points is the best way to determine team skillDebateable
Nearly every tournament has been wins first, then other stuff, rather than points first.Probably yes, I’ll talk with organisers tho. But with drafts and randomised points is the best way to determine team skillDebateable
wins > pts ;D6v6 Tournament Format Announcement
It was agreed by the admin team that the tournament will be based on round wins or 'pts' (rather than the classic match wins). The bracket in the draft tournament was done incorrectly, so even if it was based on round wins, it would be 'pts' first, however, it was set to 'pts diff', which caused the bracket to be completely incorrect. Basing it on pts would make sense as the more rounds you're winning, the better the team is playing, given the scenario below:
If a team loses their matches as follow:
4 - 5, 4 - 5, 4 - 5, 5 - 4 = 17pts (1 match win)
whilst a team wins the following:
5 - 4, 5 - 4, 0 - 5, 0 - 5 = 10pts (2 match wins)
In a standard format, the second team would proceed to the knockouts, however, the first team would get knocked out even though they played better but only lost the last round on all their matches.
If you don't like it, tough, but it's clear this is the better way of determining skill.
dont reinvent the wheel
Team A loses every match 5v4 (16pts)6v6 Tournament Format Announcement
It was agreed by the admin team that the tournament will be based on round wins or 'pts' (rather than the classic match wins). The bracket in the draft tournament was done incorrectly, so even if it was based on round wins, it would be 'pts' first, however, it was set to 'pts diff', which caused the bracket to be completely incorrect. Basing it on pts would make sense as the more rounds you're winning, the better the team is playing, given the scenario below:
If a team loses their matches as follow:
4 - 5, 4 - 5, 4 - 5, 5 - 4 = 17pts (1 match win)
whilst a team wins the following:
5 - 4, 5 - 4, 0 - 5, 0 - 5 = 10pts (2 match wins)
In a standard format, the second team would proceed to the knockouts, however, the first team would get knocked out even though they played better but only lost the last round on all their matches.
If you don't like it, tough, but it's clear this is the better way of determining skill.
The modern wheel be a square smhdont reinvent the wheel
6v6 Tournament Format Announcement
It was agreed by the admin team that the tournament will be based on round wins or 'pts' (rather than the classic match wins). The bracket in the draft tournament was done incorrectly, so even if it was based on round wins, it would be 'pts' first, however, it was set to 'pts diff', which caused the bracket to be completely incorrect. Basing it on pts would make sense as the more rounds you're winning, the better the team is playing, given the scenario below:
If a team loses their matches as follow:
4 - 5, 4 - 5, 4 - 5, 5 - 4 = 17pts (1 match win)
whilst a team wins the following:
5 - 4, 5 - 4, 0 - 5, 0 - 5 = 10pts (2 match wins)
In a standard format, the second team would proceed to the knockouts, however, the first team would get knocked out even though they played better but only lost the last round on all their matches.
If you don't like it, tough, but it's clear this is the better way of determining skill.
6v6 Tournament Format Announcement
It was agreed by the admin team that the tournament will be based on round wins or 'pts' (rather than the classic match wins). The bracket in the draft tournament was done incorrectly, so even if it was based on round wins, it would be 'pts' first, however, it was set to 'pts diff', which caused the bracket to be completely incorrect. Basing it on pts would make sense as the more rounds you're winning, the better the team is playing, given the scenario below:
If a team loses their matches as follow:
4 - 5, 4 - 5, 4 - 5, 5 - 4 = 17pts (1 match win)
whilst a team wins the following:
5 - 4, 5 - 4, 0 - 5, 0 - 5 = 10pts (2 match wins)
In a standard format, the second team would proceed to the knockouts, however, the first team would get knocked out even though they played better but only lost the last round on all their matches.
If you don't like it, tough, but it's clear this is the better way of determining skill.
"better way of determining skill"
Very debatable point depending on the playstyles of some teams you may throw more rounds to achieve an aggressive victory, or in the first group stage matches when some people are still warming up to the teams chemistry on the day.
I also do feel this takes away from the importance of a 4-4 scenario or being on "Match point". Or even a comeback becomes less important as you don't really need to win to go through.
Although you may argue each round is more important it's nice to have a "cushion" of some rounds and in my opinion it makes it more thrilling when you do reach that 4-4 and are fighting to go through.
Your tournament you do you, however I don't see why now you are trying to change a normal precedent in tournaments, feels like a trying to be different moment for the sake of it.
Wins>points
Wins>points
Wins>points
basic
"better way of determining skill"
Very debatable point depending on the playstyles of some teams you may throw more rounds to achieve an aggressive victory, or in the first group stage matches when some people are still warming up to the teams chemistry on the day.
I also do feel this takes away from the importance of a 4-4 scenario or being on "Match point". Or even a comeback becomes less important as you don't really need to win to go through.
Although you may argue each round is more important it's nice to have a "cushion" of some rounds and in my opinion it makes it more thrilling when you do reach that 4-4 and are fighting to go through.
Your tournament you do you, however I don't see why now you are trying to change a normal precedent in tournaments, feels like a trying to be different moment for the sake of it.
Very debatable point depending on the playstyles of some teams you may throw more rounds to achieve an aggressive victory, or in the first group stage matches when some people are still warming up to the teams chemistry on the day.
I literally don’t understand why you don’t just do wins… nobody gives a shit what the score is it’s about winning, if you’re just caring about rounds why even play the knockouts just do a round robin and most rounds wins
I literally don’t understand why you don’t just do wins… nobody gives a shit what the score is it’s about winning, if you’re just caring about rounds why even play the knockouts just do a round robin and most rounds wins
because winning rounds against better teams would be harder than winning rounds against bad teams, so doing round robin for groups makes sense as the stronger teams go through rather than a mediocre team going through because they win against two tragic teams and then got trashed by the better teams.
I literally don’t understand why you don’t just do wins… nobody gives a shit what the score is it’s about winning, if you’re just caring about rounds why even play the knockouts just do a round robin and most rounds wins
because winning rounds against better teams would be harder than winning rounds against bad teams, so doing round robin for groups makes sense as the stronger teams go through rather than a mediocre team going through because they win against two tragic teams and then got trashed by the better teams.
If you don’t want bad teams to play just don’t let them sign up… if someone gets through the groups then they deserve to be where they are, nobody gives a fuck how you win as long as you do
I literally don’t understand why you don’t just do wins… nobody gives a shit what the score is it’s about winning, if you’re just caring about rounds why even play the knockouts just do a round robin and most rounds wins
because winning rounds against better teams would be harder than winning rounds against bad teams, so doing round robin for groups makes sense as the stronger teams go through rather than a mediocre team going through because they win against two tragic teams and then got trashed by the better teams.
If you don’t want bad teams to play just don’t let them sign up… if someone gets through the groups then they deserve to be where they are, nobody gives a fuck how you win as long as you do
Wrong, with wins, worse teams can go through over better ones even though they performed worse (and lost against that team that didn't go through), hence why rounds make far more sense.
I literally don’t understand why you don’t just do wins… nobody gives a shit what the score is it’s about winning, if you’re just caring about rounds why even play the knockouts just do a round robin and most rounds wins
because winning rounds against better teams would be harder than winning rounds against bad teams, so doing round robin for groups makes sense as the stronger teams go through rather than a mediocre team going through because they win against two tragic teams and then got trashed by the better teams.
If you don’t want bad teams to play just don’t let them sign up… if someone gets through the groups then they deserve to be where they are, nobody gives a fuck how you win as long as you do
Wrong, with wins, worse teams can go through over better ones even though they performed worse (and lost against that team that didn't go through), hence why rounds make far more sense.
What? If you don’t win enough matches that’s on you, everyone knows what they have to do going into it, having to sit there and nerd out over how many rounds everyone has is going to A) take longer and B) piss off people
It’s a one day tournament, you don’t have the sample size to dictate which team is better by rounds won because you’d need all the teams to play multiple times in order to judge a mean. Whereas if you go by wins it’s as simple as beating the rest of your group to go through
It’s whatever but this is just complication for the sake of it, everyone knows how the proper format works and if you don’t go through that’s on you, but there’s a reason wins and losses are used in actual sports and not “average score difference” or whatever, because scores are variable and dependent on multiple external factors, a win is a single number that is the total sum of the entire match
It’s whatever but this is just complication for the sake of it, everyone knows how the proper format works and if you don’t go through that’s on you, but there’s a reason wins and losses are used in actual sports and not “average score difference” or whatever, because scores are variable and dependent on multiple external factors, a win is a single number that is the total sum of the entire match
Pipe down child
Funny thing is, I was also against rounds won originally (which you can tell in the draft thread), then I actually spent time thinking about it and determined that wins in group stage is heavily flawed. Knockouts it's fine.
Funny thing is, I was also against rounds won originally (which you can tell in the draft thread), then I actually spent time thinking about it and determined that wins in group stage is heavily flawed. Knockouts it's fine.
I literally don’t see at all how it’s a better system, it rewards teams for being in weaker groups, rewards them for being lucky with pokes, chambers etc. and then it makes it so you can pull off a big upset but because that team has won more rounds in other unrelated matches they get to go through?
Man I’m so glad I’m not playing in this
Excuse you, I need my dopmine rush from winning matches rather than playing for rounds and losing every single match
Funny thing is, I was also against rounds won originally (which you can tell in the draft thread), then I actually spent time thinking about it and determined that wins in group stage is heavily flawed. Knockouts it's fine.
I literally don’t see at all how it’s a better system, it rewards teams for being in weaker groups, rewards them for being lucky with pokes, chambers etc. and then it makes it so you can pull off a big upset but because that team has won more rounds in other unrelated matches they get to go through?
Man I’m so glad I’m not playing in this
Rewards teams for being weaker in groups? No, it does the opposite. Rewards them for being lucky with pokes, chambers etc. what?
Now you're just blabbering
Funny thing is, I was also against rounds won originally (which you can tell in the draft thread), then I actually spent time thinking about it and determined that wins in group stage is heavily flawed. Knockouts it's fine.
I literally don’t see at all how it’s a better system, it rewards teams for being in weaker groups, rewards them for being lucky with pokes, chambers etc. and then it makes it so you can pull off a big upset but because that team has won more rounds in other unrelated matches they get to go through?
Man I’m so glad I’m not playing in this
Rewards teams for being weaker in groups? No, it does the opposite. Rewards them for being lucky with pokes, chambers etc. what?
Now you're just blabbering
You lose a round to a lucky poke or a pure luck chamber, but still win the match, however that one round adds up to knock you out on round rate to a team that won less games but more rounds.
Funny thing is, I was also against rounds won originally (which you can tell in the draft thread), then I actually spent time thinking about it and determined that wins in group stage is heavily flawed. Knockouts it's fine.
I literally don’t see at all how it’s a better system, it rewards teams for being in weaker groups, rewards them for being lucky with pokes, chambers etc. and then it makes it so you can pull off a big upset but because that team has won more rounds in other unrelated matches they get to go through?
Man I’m so glad I’m not playing in this
Rewards teams for being weaker in groups? No, it does the opposite. Rewards them for being lucky with pokes, chambers etc. what?
Now you're just blabbering
You lose a round to a lucky poke or a pure luck chamber, but still win the match, however that one round adds up to knock you out on round rate to a team that won less games but more rounds.
Yes you're right, now let's pretend it's 4 - 4 and you lose the round to a lucky poke or lucky chamber. You've lost the match and rounds don't matter so those 4 rounds are worthless.
Funny thing is, I was also against rounds won originally (which you can tell in the draft thread), then I actually spent time thinking about it and determined that wins in group stage is heavily flawed. Knockouts it's fine.
I literally don’t see at all how it’s a better system, it rewards teams for being in weaker groups, rewards them for being lucky with pokes, chambers etc. and then it makes it so you can pull off a big upset but because that team has won more rounds in other unrelated matches they get to go through?
Man I’m so glad I’m not playing in this
Rewards teams for being weaker in groups? No, it does the opposite. Rewards them for being lucky with pokes, chambers etc. what?
Now you're just blabbering
You lose a round to a lucky poke or a pure luck chamber, but still win the match, however that one round adds up to knock you out on round rate to a team that won less games but more rounds.
Yes you're right, now let's pretend it's 4 - 4 and you lose the round to a lucky poke or lucky chamber. You've lost the match and rounds don't matter so those 4 rounds are worthless.
Right? But you’ve had the entire match to win it, you had all those rounds you lost to make up for it, and you lost the match, but losing a round in a match you win being what disqualifies you is ludicrous
It really isn’t that hard to get mate, if you lose a match you lose a match, but if you’re in a position where on wins you go through but rounds you don’t, especially if it’s to a team you beat, that’s just stupidity.
Like I already said, you’re saying rounds show ability but you need a larger sample size than a single round through a group to actually show that
It really isn’t that hard to get mate, if you lose a match you lose a match, but if you’re in a position where on wins you go through but rounds you don’t, especially if it’s to a team you beat, that’s just stupidity.
Like I already said, you’re saying rounds show ability but you need a larger sample size than a single round through a group to actually show that
No it's extremely hard to get, because you're just explaining why wins are worse than rounds, with wins you can literally go through over a team that beat you 5 - 0.
It really isn’t that hard to get mate, if you lose a match you lose a match, but if you’re in a position where on wins you go through but rounds you don’t, especially if it’s to a team you beat, that’s just stupidity.
Like I already said, you’re saying rounds show ability but you need a larger sample size than a single round through a group to actually show that
No it's extremely hard to get, because you're just explaining why wins are worse than rounds, with wins you can literally go through over a team that beat you 5 - 0.
But it can happen, yes?
And not at all, if you won more games against the same group then you played overall better, if you won more games but with a lower round rate and don’t go through then what does that prove? That you’re too good at winning and not good enough at kerb stomping?
It really isn’t that hard to get mate, if you lose a match you lose a match, but if you’re in a position where on wins you go through but rounds you don’t, especially if it’s to a team you beat, that’s just stupidity.
Like I already said, you’re saying rounds show ability but you need a larger sample size than a single round through a group to actually show that
No it's extremely hard to get, because you're just explaining why wins are worse than rounds, with wins you can literally go through over a team that beat you 5 - 0.
But it can happen, yes?
And not at all, if you won more games against the same group then you played overall better, if you won more games but with a lower round rate and don’t go through then what does that prove? That you’re too good at winning and not good enough at kerb stomping?
ok i stop now, ur just as stubborn as I am and you're just chatting shit
It really isn’t that hard to get mate, if you lose a match you lose a match, but if you’re in a position where on wins you go through but rounds you don’t, especially if it’s to a team you beat, that’s just stupidity.
Like I already said, you’re saying rounds show ability but you need a larger sample size than a single round through a group to actually show that
No it's extremely hard to get, because you're just explaining why wins are worse than rounds, with wins you can literally go through over a team that beat you 5 - 0.
But it can happen, yes?
And not at all, if you won more games against the same group then you played overall better, if you won more games but with a lower round rate and don’t go through then what does that prove? That you’re too good at winning and not good enough at kerb stomping?
ok i stop now, ur just as stubborn as I am and you're just chatting shit
Gf
It really isn’t that hard to get mate, if you lose a match you lose a match, but if you’re in a position where on wins you go through but rounds you don’t, especially if it’s to a team you beat, that’s just stupidity.
Like I already said, you’re saying rounds show ability but you need a larger sample size than a single round through a group to actually show that
No it's extremely hard to get, because you're just explaining why wins are worse than rounds, with wins you can literally go through over a team that beat you 5 - 0.
But it can happen, yes?
And not at all, if you won more games against the same group then you played overall better, if you won more games but with a lower round rate and don’t go through then what does that prove? That you’re too good at winning and not good enough at kerb stomping?
ok i stop now, ur just as stubborn as I am and you're just chatting shit
Gf
What you wrote made you look very silly and again you're just giving reasons as to why rounds are better. 'If you won more games against the same group then you played better overall', No, that's literally the WHOLE REASON round wins is better.
Yes you're right, now let's pretend it's 4 - 4 and you lose the round to a lucky poke or lucky chamber. You've lost the match and rounds don't matter so those 4 rounds are worthless. At least with having 4 rounds you still have more chance of winning than a 0 - 1 match loss...
Again, you're just proving why wins are worse, keep going
Dont reinvent the wheel
Wins only matter not ur scores
If u dont like random matches - add the minimum points difference to win, instead of 5-4 u should win with 2 rounds advantage - 6-4 or 11-9 its the way to see more "mastery"
Wins>points
no wonder the queen died looking at this shit format when it was posted
answered ages ago......Funny thing is, I was also against rounds won originally (which you can tell in the draft thread), then I actually spent time thinking about it and determined that wins in group stage is heavily flawed. Knockouts it's fine.
I literally don’t see at all how it’s a better system, it rewards teams for being in weaker groups, rewards them for being lucky with pokes, chambers etc. and then it makes it so you can pull off a big upset but because that team has won more rounds in other unrelated matches they get to go through?
Man I’m so glad I’m not playing in this
Rewards teams for being weaker in groups? No, it does the opposite. Rewards them for being lucky with pokes, chambers etc. what?
Now you're just blabbering
You lose a round to a lucky poke or a pure luck chamber, but still win the match, however that one round adds up to knock you out on round rate to a team that won less games but more rounds.
Yes you're right, now let's pretend it's 4 - 4 and you lose the round to a lucky poke or lucky chamber. You've lost the match and rounds don't matter so those 4 rounds are worthless. At least with having 4 rounds you still have more chance of winning than a 0 - 1 match loss...
Again, you're just proving why wins are worse, keep going
answered ages ago......Funny thing is, I was also against rounds won originally (which you can tell in the draft thread), then I actually spent time thinking about it and determined that wins in group stage is heavily flawed. Knockouts it's fine.
I literally don’t see at all how it’s a better system, it rewards teams for being in weaker groups, rewards them for being lucky with pokes, chambers etc. and then it makes it so you can pull off a big upset but because that team has won more rounds in other unrelated matches they get to go through?
Man I’m so glad I’m not playing in this
Rewards teams for being weaker in groups? No, it does the opposite. Rewards them for being lucky with pokes, chambers etc. what?
Now you're just blabbering
You lose a round to a lucky poke or a pure luck chamber, but still win the match, however that one round adds up to knock you out on round rate to a team that won less games but more rounds.
Yes you're right, now let's pretend it's 4 - 4 and you lose the round to a lucky poke or lucky chamber. You've lost the match and rounds don't matter so those 4 rounds are worthless. At least with having 4 rounds you still have more chance of winning than a 0 - 1 match loss...
Again, you're just proving why wins are worse, keep going
btw in this way u can lose 1-3 more rounds by "luck" and u will be knocked out by luckers that win 1 more round against hashira
To stop any arguments we will do it based off round wins, and if on the day we deem the bracket to be in anyways fucked we will revert it and go off match wins. Sound like a compromise?
To stop any arguments we will do it based off round wins, and if on the day we deem the bracket to be in anyways fucked we will revert it and go off match wins. Sound like a compromise?
The draft tourney brackets wasn’t convincing enough?
i gave you a solution above, make sure u read it properlyanswered ages ago......Funny thing is, I was also against rounds won originally (which you can tell in the draft thread), then I actually spent time thinking about it and determined that wins in group stage is heavily flawed. Knockouts it's fine.
I literally don’t see at all how it’s a better system, it rewards teams for being in weaker groups, rewards them for being lucky with pokes, chambers etc. and then it makes it so you can pull off a big upset but because that team has won more rounds in other unrelated matches they get to go through?
Man I’m so glad I’m not playing in this
Rewards teams for being weaker in groups? No, it does the opposite. Rewards them for being lucky with pokes, chambers etc. what?
Now you're just blabbering
You lose a round to a lucky poke or a pure luck chamber, but still win the match, however that one round adds up to knock you out on round rate to a team that won less games but more rounds.
Yes you're right, now let's pretend it's 4 - 4 and you lose the round to a lucky poke or lucky chamber. You've lost the match and rounds don't matter so those 4 rounds are worthless. At least with having 4 rounds you still have more chance of winning than a 0 - 1 match loss...
Again, you're just proving why wins are worse, keep going
btw in this way u can lose 1-3 more rounds by "luck" and u will be knocked out by luckers that win 1 more round against hashira
Same thing can happen with wins, If I'm team 1 and I beat team 2 5 - 0 (stomp), but team 2 beat a bad team 5 - 4, they could go through and my 5 rounds stomp means nothing because they got 2 wins because they won one extra round against a bad team :)
If points difference was such a 'good' system it'd be used by now in a lot of other things, funnily enough wins is still used in almost every sport with points difference coming as a tie-breaker. All your arguments for the points/round system are literally a reverse of the arguments for the wins system. But the wins system has one major thing over points/round difference. It's a lot harder to win a match than a round, hence why the win is more significant. If you won against team A 5-0 then lost your next two matches either Team A had a rough match or you had one good one before becoming shite yourself and therefore you do not deserve to go through. Because 2 out of 3 wins is harder to achieve than 5 rounds, or one win in a match is harder than multiple rounds to achieve.
If points difference was such a 'good' system it'd be used by now in a lot of other things, funnily enough wins is still used in almost every sport with points difference coming as a tie-breaker. All your arguments for the points/round system are literally a reverse of the arguments for the wins system. But the wins system has one major thing over points/round difference. It's a lot harder to win a match than a round, hence why the win is more significant. If you won against team A 5-0 then lost your next two matches either Team A had a rough match or you had one good one before becoming shite yourself and therefore you do not deserve to go through. Because 2 out of 3 wins is harder to achieve than 5 rounds, or one win in a match is harder than multiple rounds to achieve.
Thing with sport is that most sports use a double elimination or single elimination format, or there is an unlimited amount of points you can earn, for example in football there is no maximum points u can score in a match whereas here it’s only 5. For that reason it’s fine to use, other wise you’d have 20 points in one match and only 2 in another and it becomes a problem then.Classic tournament with retarded point system won't make gf scene less boring :)
Again. If the brackets on the day are fucked we will change it. But let’s just try something? The whole point of this series was to do unconventional tournaments to spice up the pretty boring gf scene rn so let’s stop the crying and just see how it is?
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You say 'lets just try something' but both this series and others have done it in the past, so far it's always gone shite and ended up reverting for that reason. Doing more test runs will only lead to the same results, this is quite literally the definition of insanity. Doing unconventional tournaments doesn't mean you should just use retarded formats for the fun of it. 'Unconventional tournaments' btw, 'Classic 6v6' teehee.Ye I see ur point but in my opinion it will make group-stages far more competitive since every round counts. Which is ultimately something I want to see.
EDIT: MarxeiL beat me to it the rat.
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'Far more competitive' is definitely an over-statement. Quite often 'good' teams will lose a few rounds to any old teams if they underestimate them or just start not playing properly as they believe them to not be a challenge where as against a middle-ground or lower-good team they then go full tryhard. So the worse team gets a 5-3 but the better team gets a 5-0 against the same opponent due to the mentality of NW players/teams. That won't change so the middle to lower-good teams could easily be done in by such a system whilst shite teams make it one more round only to be ruined in the knockouts. That's not more competitive it's delaying the inevitable. :)You say 'lets just try something' but both this series and others have done it in the past, so far it's always gone shite and ended up reverting for that reason. Doing more test runs will only lead to the same results, this is quite literally the definition of insanity. Doing unconventional tournaments doesn't mean you should just use retarded formats for the fun of it. 'Unconventional tournaments' btw, 'Classic 6v6' teehee.Ye I see ur point but in my opinion it will make group-stages far more competitive since every round counts. Which is ultimately something I want to see.
EDIT: MarxeiL beat me to it the rat.
You are all beneath me, hence forth i should decide, wins is for alphas because only winners win.... and losers like yourselvses lose.Watch your heel
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You are all beneath me, hence forth i should decide, wins is for alphas because only winners win.... and losers like yourselvses lose.
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The real problem is the amount of tournament format from 5v5 to 8v8 so basically your team need to have 8 good players to win a 8v8 but in a 5v5 you have 3 "good player" lock in spec. So to have a perfect competitive scene you need to just have 5v5 format with no player on the bench like csgo etc and you will have like 6 good team playing for the win.'Far more competitive' is definitely an over-statement. Quite often 'good' teams will lose a few rounds to any old teams if they underestimate them or just start not playing properly as they believe them to not be a challenge where as against a middle-ground or lower-good team they then go full tryhard. So the worse team gets a 5-3 but the better team gets a 5-0 against the same opponent due to the mentality of NW players/teams. That won't change so the middle to lower-good teams could easily be done in by such a system whilst shite teams make it one more round only to be ruined in the knockouts. That's not more competitive it's delaying the inevitable. :)You say 'lets just try something' but both this series and others have done it in the past, so far it's always gone shite and ended up reverting for that reason. Doing more test runs will only lead to the same results, this is quite literally the definition of insanity. Doing unconventional tournaments doesn't mean you should just use retarded formats for the fun of it. 'Unconventional tournaments' btw, 'Classic 6v6' teehee.Ye I see ur point but in my opinion it will make group-stages far more competitive since every round counts. Which is ultimately something I want to see.
EDIT: MarxeiL beat me to it the rat.
To be clear I don't believe it'll effect the very top teams, your Renegades or RT's but other 'good' teams will lose out due to the poor mentality from a lot of top/better players.
vallah billah wins>points and its not even close, everyone knows that inclusive blitz and fietta even tho they wont want to sayLiterally what I said (so it's true) before my comments were deleted #HeteroBashing
This is not entirely wrong, but I believe it's too late to resolve that issue since most teams now have so many players and wouldn't want to drop a bunch, The scene would be a lot more competitive with only 5v5/6v6's though.The real problem is the amount of tournament format from 5v5 to 8v8 so basically your team need to have 8 good players to win a 8v8 but in a 5v5 you have 3 "good player" lock in spec. So to have a perfect competitive scene you need to just have 5v5 format with no player on the bench like csgo etc and you will have like 6 good team playing for the win.'Far more competitive' is definitely an over-statement. Quite often 'good' teams will lose a few rounds to any old teams if they underestimate them or just start not playing properly as they believe them to not be a challenge where as against a middle-ground or lower-good team they then go full tryhard. So the worse team gets a 5-3 but the better team gets a 5-0 against the same opponent due to the mentality of NW players/teams. That won't change so the middle to lower-good teams could easily be done in by such a system whilst shite teams make it one more round only to be ruined in the knockouts. That's not more competitive it's delaying the inevitable. :)You say 'lets just try something' but both this series and others have done it in the past, so far it's always gone shite and ended up reverting for that reason. Doing more test runs will only lead to the same results, this is quite literally the definition of insanity. Doing unconventional tournaments doesn't mean you should just use retarded formats for the fun of it. 'Unconventional tournaments' btw, 'Classic 6v6' teehee.Ye I see ur point but in my opinion it will make group-stages far more competitive since every round counts. Which is ultimately something I want to see.
EDIT: MarxeiL beat me to it the rat.
To be clear I don't believe it'll effect the very top teams, your Renegades or RT's but other 'good' teams will lose out due to the poor mentality from a lot of top/better players.
ight some bits of empirical evidence where we have tried this before, once was the PTK and I know the bracket was wrong but you still didn't change it and went ahead with the shit decision (very worrying).
Second is a Marxeil and I think Wursti tournament, don't remember the format but it was one big group with a round based system and I distinctly remember winning based of a single round with PB in a match against a Russian team and that was the deciding factor.
It felt garbage to win like we hadn't achieved what we wanted, in addition to that I remember we 7-0 snappers and they really did get unlucky in our match and despite them going on to beat cazadores (who we almost lost to) they ended like 5th in the bracket.
ight some bits of empirical evidence where we have tried this before, once was the PTK and I know the bracket was wrong but you still didn't change it and went ahead with the shit decision (very worrying).
Second is a Marxeil and I think Wursti tournament, don't remember the format but it was one big group with a round based system and I distinctly remember winning based of a single round with PB in a match against a Russian team and that was the deciding factor.
It felt garbage to win like we hadn't achieved what we wanted, in addition to that I remember we 7-0 snappers and they really did get unlucky in our match and despite them going on to beat cazadores (who we almost lost to) they ended like 5th in the bracket.
Was that the one where we lost to CCCP (marxeil, DOMI, Ivan etc) like 5-2 or smth but we still won the tourney over them by 1 pt?
@Fietta while I don't disagree with most of your point's I think you are looking at this too logically, yes on paper each round becomes more important however overall in a tournament scenario it's completely different.
I don't want to reiterate some of herishey's and others points, however I would like to bring to light some bits of empirical evidence where we have tried this before, once was the PTK and I know the bracket was wrong but you still didn't change it and went ahead with the shit decision (very worrying).
Second is a Marxeil and I think Wursti tournament, don't remember the format but it was one big group with a round based system and I distinctly remember winning based of a single round with PB in a match against a Russian team and that was the deciding factor.
It felt garbage to win like we hadn't achieved what we wanted, in addition to that I remember we 7-0 snappers and they really did get unlucky in our match and despite them going on to beat cazadores (who we almost lost to) they ended like 5th in the bracket.
IMO with so few teams in what is an extremely volatile competitive format as others have stated some rounds can go the other way it seems to me like you really are just causing unnecessary drama and trouble.
@Blitz in football its based on 90 minutes + extra time instead of a points limit so a counter argument would be with more time the other team might have won, just like saying well with more rounds we might have won. There is a limit set for a reason it's the first to reach it, it doesn't matter how you got there.
Point's being the decider makes far more sense.
I don't want to reiterate some of herishey's and others points, however I would like to bring to light some bits of empirical evidence where we have tried this before, once was the PTK and I know the bracket was wrong but you still didn't change it and went ahead with the shit decision (very worrying).
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Hate itight some bits of empirical evidence where we have tried this before, once was the PTK and I know the bracket was wrong but you still didn't change it and went ahead with the shit decision (very worrying).
Second is a Marxeil and I think Wursti tournament, don't remember the format but it was one big group with a round based system and I distinctly remember winning based of a single round with PB in a match against a Russian team and that was the deciding factor.
It felt garbage to win like we hadn't achieved what we wanted, in addition to that I remember we 7-0 snappers and they really did get unlucky in our match and despite them going on to beat cazadores (who we almost lost to) they ended like 5th in the bracket.
Was that the one where we lost to CCCP (marxeil, DOMI, Ivan etc) like 5-2 or smth but we still won the tourney over them by 1 pt?
thats only because they lost one thoHate itight some bits of empirical evidence where we have tried this before, once was the PTK and I know the bracket was wrong but you still didn't change it and went ahead with the shit decision (very worrying).
Second is a Marxeil and I think Wursti tournament, don't remember the format but it was one big group with a round based system and I distinctly remember winning based of a single round with PB in a match against a Russian team and that was the deciding factor.
It felt garbage to win like we hadn't achieved what we wanted, in addition to that I remember we 7-0 snappers and they really did get unlucky in our match and despite them going on to beat cazadores (who we almost lost to) they ended like 5th in the bracket.
Was that the one where we lost to CCCP (marxeil, DOMI, Ivan etc) like 5-2 or smth but we still won the tourney over them by 1 pt?
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1st Renegades, 2nd RT, 3rd NPP
1st MAJ, 2nd 115e, 3rd Spectres
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1st Renegades, 2nd RT, 3rd NPPWell done MAJ (big up lebrun tchongi)
1st MAJ, 2nd 115e, 3rd Spectres
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1st Renegades, 2nd RT, 3rd NPP
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Ty tommpa ;)1st Renegades, 2nd RT, 3rd NPP
1st MAJ, 2nd 115e, 3rd Spectres
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Btw I should get a reward for carrying today and one week ago ::) ::) :o I need cash to buy RISK maps and premium to get unlimited tokens(wow)☠️make patents for your glitch for earn some money in future
Natsauu acting like he won a week ago. STAY LOSING.
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Congrats renegades what a team led by the mighty great Bagins from Salisbury!!!!! To see such great Irish talents as Giorno follow the footsteps of Ivan and Irish is also very heartwarming! Commiserations to the The Stack Table for losing to such a worthy opponent! Great to see such riveting gameplay, wow!Go and sell some broadband packages and some pay as you go sims gimp. Shooo
Lucas leave me alone I’m merely talking about the brilliant tournament and it’s surprising outcome!Congrats renegades what a team led by the mighty great Bagins from Salisbury!!!!! To see such great Irish talents as Giorno follow the footsteps of Ivan and Irish is also very heartwarming! Commiserations to the The Stack Table for losing to such a worthy opponent! Great to see such riveting gameplay, wow!Go and sell some broadband packages and some pay as you go sims gimp. Shooo
Not that surprising when one of RTs top players goes to bed after losing to Crappers!Lucas leave me alone I’m merely talking about the brilliant tournament and it’s surprising outcome!Congrats renegades what a team led by the mighty great Bagins from Salisbury!!!!! To see such great Irish talents as Giorno follow the footsteps of Ivan and Irish is also very heartwarming! Commiserations to the The Stack Table for losing to such a worthy opponent! Great to see such riveting gameplay, wow!Go and sell some broadband packages and some pay as you go sims gimp. Shooo
Tbh you are right, I’ve been hearing Fietta is worse or as good as Steinmann and Cody now and that ilypa and smallest are as good as someone called PD? I don’t know him but it sounds like an interest time to be in NW! ChimpZ time?Not that surprising when one of RTs top players goes to bed after losing to Crappers!Lucas leave me alone I’m merely talking about the brilliant tournament and it’s surprising outcome!Congrats renegades what a team led by the mighty great Bagins from Salisbury!!!!! To see such great Irish talents as Giorno follow the footsteps of Ivan and Irish is also very heartwarming! Commiserations to the The Stack Table for losing to such a worthy opponent! Great to see such riveting gameplay, wow!Go and sell some broadband packages and some pay as you go sims gimp. Shooo
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I'd also argue Renegades is more of a stack than RT
I'd also argue Renegades is more of a stack than RT
Not active enough? you have like 5/6 gfs a week?I'd also argue Renegades is more of a stack than RT
We're just simply not active enough anymore unfortunately
Yeah activity is everything but player wise they both have very good top players it just the average player on renegades is better as I said earlier with Steinmann and Cody etcNot active enough? you have like 5/6 gfs a week?I'd also argue Renegades is more of a stack than RT
We're just simply not active enough anymore unfortunately
I'd also argue Renegades is more of a stack than RT
We're just simply not active enough anymore unfortunately
Not active enough? you have like 5/6 gfs a week?I'd also argue Renegades is more of a stack than RT
We're just simply not active enough anymore unfortunately
I'd also argue Renegades is more of a stack than RT
We're just simply not active enough anymore unfortunately
you play more groupfights than us
Renegades is recruiting 8)tiktok dance portfolio prerequisite 💼
still sounds as an excuse 😂😂😂Not active enough? you have like 5/6 gfs a week?I'd also argue Renegades is more of a stack than RT
We're just simply not active enough anymore unfortunately
You're a moron. Our main line-up isn't there, DOMI hasn't come to a gf in about a month, Jakob turns up once every 3 weeks. I'm not really complaining though, we still win tournaments. We're also trialing due to a lack of players, and trials fill up around 50% of our players for gfs. Quantity of groupfights don't dictate the quality of groupfights, haven't had a full RT lineup in about 5 months.I'd also argue Renegades is more of a stack than RT
We're just simply not active enough anymore unfortunately
you play more groupfights than us
Not true, we used to do more but we've cut a lot of them
still sounds as an excuse 😂😂😂