Ukraine

[MaxLam]

 Pravyi sektor openly pretends to continue the actions of Stepan Bandera, the Ukrainian fascist who collaborated with Nazi Germany and exterminated many Poles, Jews, and partisans. This is sufficient in itself to say that this organization is fascist. But it's even more than that since the so-called Social National Assembly took part in the creation of Pravyi Sector in 2013. The Social National Assembly was a neo-nazi organization which openly upheld national socialist ideology. This is dramatic, and the fact that this criminal organization is paid by the Ukrainian government, and its leader appointed advisior at the Ministry of Defense is even more dramatic. This only proves the stupidity, ignorance and fascization of the Ukrainian society.

[Duuring]

Could you show me any action done by Pravy Sektor that proves that they are fascist? Other then them liking Bandera?

Pravy Sektor isn't paid by the Ukrainian government. You shout things that are simply not true, present them as facts, and so help fuck up the situation even more.

[MaxLam]

I presented the facts and they are pretty clear: "Fascist leader Yarosh was appointed recently at the Minisitry of Defense and his militia will now be funded by the Ukrainian state." Do you challenge that?

[Duuring]

Yes. I challenge that he is a fascist and that the DUK will be funded by the Ukrainian state.

[MaxLam]

So this bunch of criminals "will become part of the Ukrainian Armed forces just like the rest of the volunteer battalions" and yet it won't be funded by the state? Then who is funding the Ukrainian military? The CIA? And you haven't dismissed what I said about their ideology either.

[Archduke Sven]

How does their liking of Bandera make them fascists?

He fought for the independence of Ukraine.

Anyhow, just shouting the word fascist and implying a negative connotation without any real evidence makes you look like a big poo.

[Nipplestockings]

According to Max, making holocaust jokes is fascist. He even said that what charlie hebdo did was alright while anyone doing the same thing aimed at Jews is an antisemite and must be repressed. There's no logic in his finger pointing. It's just based on emotion, enabled by sketchy internet articles and misleading statistics.

[MaxLam]

I was trying to have a serious discussion with Duuring, if that is possible. So please...

[Riddlez]

I was trying to have a serious discussion with Duuring, if that is possible. So please...

Please, you don't have to make explicit the fact you have autism: it is already evident in your general posting.

[Augy]

Their propaganda speaks for itself,



Oh yeah, lets just blatatly forget that they already had thousands of members beat the shit out of people they don't deem fit. Now they are on the front lines roleplaying the SS.
Seriously scary scary scary. In addition to that, they are also very anti-queer as well.  But lets all willfully forget that because they are "pro-eu".

Right Sector are a coalition of different far-right organisations, some of which being UNA-UNSO, Tryzub and C14.  The name comes from Ukranian football scene, referring to the section of the football stadium filled with far-right groups. Here's a video from BBC:



They are like the brownshirts, keeping the lefties of the street for the moderate EU supporting people. So here;s to you wonderfull bastards, the likes of you allowed hitler to rise.

[Archduke Sven]

You're acting like this is uncommon in a country thats at civil war, and your video evidence is a year old when the country was in mid-revolution, of course people are being mongoloids. These are made to stir emotions and gain support, its not an accurate representation of anything.

Other than that i think its safe to assume that the right sector do not represent Ukraines government. If that were the case you might have a point about rightism in Kiev. But going around shouting fascist and denouncing everyone is pretty pointless.

[Turin Turambar]

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Their propaganda speaks for itself,

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From 1:13 - 1:50 I agree with the video makers. The rest is bullshit.

[Rejenorst]

Just copying and pasting something Bluehawk wrote on TW:

They also made him an adviser to the chief of the General Staff.

Meanwhile the SBU interrogated the head of the Communist Party of Ukraine among others as part of an investigation into Communist violations of national security, including allegations of financing the separatists. Symonenko has been interrogated for at least seven hours.

In regards to right sector:

Pravy Sector is the product of a merger of groups such as Tryzub, UNA–UNSO, Patriot of Ukraine and Social-National Assembly among a few others.

At least 2 of those have been openly xenophobic/racist and have had neo-nazi leanings such as Social-National Assembly and Patriot of Ukraine. So to assume that right sector doesn't have neo-nazi leanings is absurd, if it speaks on behalf of all the groups.

According to one Right Sector leader, Andriy Tarasenko, the organisation was set up in late November 2013 and includes several small ultra-right groups, among them Trident, Patriot of Ukraine, White Hammer and Ukrainian National Assembly-Ukrainian National Self-Defence. "But most participants are just ordinary citizens having no relation to any organisations," he said.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26001710

The Right Sector is a confederation of several right and far-right organizations and groups such as “Patriots of Ukraine,” the Social-National Assembly, Stepan Bandera’s All-Ukrainian Association “Trident,” Kyiv Organization’s “White Hummer,” and the UNA-UNSO.
http://web.archive.org/web/20140330034819/http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/03/01/can-ukraine-control-its-far-right-ultranationalists.html

Additionally the UNA-UNSO has been actively participating in foreign conflicts against Russia which makes me realize even more why Russia went ballistic after this conglomeration of groups helped push the coup. On a sidenote: when Ukrainian troops where stationed in Iraq they pleaded for the Ukrainian troops to turn their bayonets against the U.S. according to the article below which also mentions they have been known to pursue an anti-Semitic line etc.
http://www.jamestown.org/single/?tx_ttnews[tt_news]=3198&no_cache=1#.VSMxN5OPU-I

Yarosh himself has openly expressed his hatred of Russia and is claimed to have gone as far as to call for attacks against Russia. This has landed him on Interpol's wanted list but there is some concern that Russia may have abused Interpol's Red Notice system.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/10764072/Interpols-dilemma-over-Russian-red-notice-request-for-Right-Sektor-leader.html

Yet he did land on their wanted list for incitement to terror activities via social media:
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/interpol-issues-wanted-notice-for-nationalist-leader-yarosh-at-russias-behest-357964.html

Right sector denies the charges claiming their Vkontakt site was hacked at the time according to RT. This is a picture of what RT claims was the call for attacks:

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[FatherDamien]

Is it still as bad as it was?

[KurassierNixon]

Everytime a ukrainian soldier dies we get a little closer to a perfect world