Ukraine

[Vincenzo]

But it can't function because not 100% of the people will agree to such a thing, people always want more and better. and something of a better future they can work hard for to achieve.

Your ideas of perfect society have never worked and will never work.

It always ends up with the people that don't want it will be killed.


Overall lets get back to topic perhaps.

Putin annexes Crimea, no big surprise there.

[Duuring]

Knowing this, we should see a significant drop to almost insignificant levels of crime in a functioning anarchist society.

We should, but we won't. Just like there was still crime in communist societies. I have to admit, very clever to mention 'functioning' anarchist societies. That way, when one fails, you can just say it doesn't function properly. And so you'll always be safe from any criticism by just pointing at the theory.

Putin annexes Crimea, no big surprise there.

It would help the Ukraine cause if the people of the Crimea wouldn't be so happy about it.

[Augy]

i never "claimed" its a perfect society, i just think its better than capitalism. which is just rule by criminals who rob the masses. which the Ukrainian government did a terrible job at hiding, thats why they are in such dire straits.

[Turin Turambar]

Putin annexes Crimea, no big surprise there.

It would help the Ukraine cause if the people of the Crimea wouldn't be so happy about it.

But they are, and that is good.

[Duuring]

But they are, and that is good.

Can't help but think that feeling of Euphoria is slightly helped by Russian propaganda. So many Crimeans are still convinced that the Kiev government are a bunch of Neo-nazi fascists, while it's the same people they voted for.

It's kinda odd they never wanted to join Russia for over 60 years and suddenly they are all in favor? Seems more like 'go with the flow' course of action. Of course, Putin is smart and will pump a lot of money into the Crimea, mostly because you have to anyway. The bubble will burst eventually though.

The reason why I still oppose this is that the Russia still invaded Ukrainian ground. It makes everything after that appear completely fake. Anyway, I'm just a Dutchie... any Ukrainians who wish to share their light upon this? I admit that their opinion matters a little more then mine.

[Vincenzo]

[Olafson]

To be honest 95% also sounds like one of these Votes in East Germany, back in the 1970s...
I would not be surprised if they would find out that more people voted than there are people living in Crimea.

The reason why I still oppose this is that the Russia still invaded Ukrainian ground. It makes everything after that appear completely fake.

Obviously the whole referendum etc. was just a large fake to make the invasion seem legitimate.

Russia/Putin is doing a really good job. Taking over a country (or a part of it) without firing a single shot is quite nice. The USA did not manage to do that. (Then again... The USA had much longer supply lines)

[Hadhod]

German news report of one dead Ukrainian soldier in Simferopol after Russian troops stormed one of the Ukrainians baracks there. Apparently 20 Ukrainian soliders refused to give the Russians their weapons and barricaded themselves. The soldier who died was shot in the neck, another officer was hurt. The source for this is the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense.

Here's the article, sadly only in german
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/ausland/krise-in-der-ukraine-ukrainischer-soldat-auf-der-krim-getoetet-12852638.html

[carbine]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-8kmPJKGgM&feature=youtube_gdata[/youtube]

"BREAKING NEWS Russian troops are storming a Ukrainian military base in Simferopol, and one Ukranian soldier has been wounded in the attack, Interfax-Ukraine news agency reports. It quoted an officer at the military topography and navigation centre as saying that its commander has been captured and the rest of the troops have barricaded themselves in on the first floor of a building at the base."

BREAKING NEWS Ukrainian serviceman is killed during attack on a Ukrainian base in the Crimean capital of Simferopol, news agency Interfax quotes a military spokesman as saying (Reuters).

[Duuring]

Oh God it's happening

[Vincenzo]

Not the first casualty since the protests started but I think the first military one.

[Tibbert]

ids druly habennings

[Duuring]

Seriously, it's quite a huge step forward. It doesn't mean direct war, but a line has been crossed here.

[Vincenzo]

http://www.examiner.com/article/russian-spetsnaz-arrested-ukraine

[Archduke Sven]

Yeah, there is going to be war anytime now... Hopefully i jynxed it.