North American Community Lists - NaCl [UPDATE 1.1: "Show Some Melee Competence"]

[Stroke0fd34th]

May I just inquire as to how Jorge is rated at 76 despite beating 2 77's to get into TNWL Pro League and then winning more rounds on the seasonal champions (75th) than an 84?

 Fixed.

The amount of discussion that has gone into this logic is insane. If this was the case, I would be above AsianP. It's all about consistency over a period of time. Hence why it says "Over a long period of time" etc..

But I mean, how much more success do the people above him have, competitively speaking? I'm not saying Jorge should be rated like 90's, but he did beat 2 77's competitively to get into Pro League, and he didn't add any all-stars to his roster in order to do so, it's just guys he's had with him for years + his leading. So I think he deserves at least a 79-84. I think honestly if you're looking at competitive success, some people shouldn't even be on that list, because they haven't actually won any competitions or gotten far in some cases.

I totally disagree. Remember the rankings are in relation to each other. Do you really believe Jorge has had as much success as those in the low 80s, people like Stox, Ody, and 9y leaders?
Realistically he could move up in the 70s section as it is pretty unstable at the moment compared to the higher sections. However again I don't see him stacking up well against leaders like Waste or Fancypants.

1. Fair enough
2.How so? He beat Fancypants last season of TNWL, if not surpassing, that at least means he stacks up well.

[AP0CALYPS3]

U gotta remember, the 8th isnt weak.

They actually have some strong ass meleers.

[Stroke0fd34th]

May I just inquire as to how Jorge is rated at 76 despite beating 2 77's to get into TNWL Pro League and then winning more rounds on the seasonal champions (75th) than an 84?

 Fixed.

The amount of discussion that has gone into this logic is insane. If this was the case, I would be above AsianP. It's all about consistency over a period of time. Hence why it says "Over a long period of time" etc..

But I mean, how much more success do the people above him have, competitively speaking? I'm not saying Jorge should be rated like 90's, but he did beat 2 77's competitively to get into Pro League, and he didn't add any all-stars to his roster in order to do so, it's just guys he's had with him for years + his leading. So I think he deserves at least a 79-84. I think honestly if you're looking at competitive success, some people shouldn't even be on that list, because they haven't actually won any competitions or gotten far in some cases.

Here is the thing right, the 75th and 5th had absolutely no all stars at all. You can say that me and DJ were the best in the team. We won 2 league seasons and you think Jorge should approximately be 1 rank below us? One or two wins does not justify being higher on the list. Good leaders are consistent at what they do and they do it for a long (or medium) span of time. In my opinion, being around for 5 years does not justify being a good leader looking from a competitive stand point.

I think you may have misunderstood something, I wasn't mentioning 8th's all-stars in relation to the 5th/75th I was just saying, the 8th in general don't have them, and haven't ever really had big name players in their regiment, where as some regiments have tons of them. 1-2 wins may not justify a dramatic shift, but it certainly does warrant a higher placement in a group of others who similarly don't have a ton of competitive success.

[Alexander]

U gotta remember, the 8th isnt weak.

They actually have some strong ass meleers.

They need to prove it if so.

[Alexander]

We need to have a debate in TS so we can actually have some full fledge #WBANTZ. Just remove people from the channel if they get too out of hand. This typing shit is too hassling.

[Andee]

I dont know why people are relating the regiment's ability with the leader's leading ability. Any 12 year old can lead a line of melee-whores and still win.

[Alexander]

I dont know why people are relating the regiment's ability with the leader's leading ability. Any 12 year old can lead a line of melee-whores and still win.

I disagree.

[Grimsight]

A 1-2 point increase is in the realm of possibility but I'm not really convinced at this moment. I would like to see 1v1 records from the regiments of the high 70s. That would make this less dependent on guess work, however I don't think those records exist. I believe NWL season will be a deciding factor if there is a 70 section shift.

[Windflower]

I dont know why people are relating the regiment's ability with the leader's leading ability. Any 12 year old can lead a line of melee-whores and still win.

I disagree.

Deadeye already proved that, so Andee got you there Alex.

[jorgesi101]

This list fu*cked but I'll put in my word about my regiment. We were competitive for about our first year every day in MM.

Then for the last 4 years we are one of the most casual regiments out there and whenever we do compete we always end up playing in league 1 or pro leagues.

Not phishing for compliments, just saying my guys deserve some acknowledgement.

[Rutger Müller]

Yeah Jorge has some good meleers that come to his big 1v1's but if you 1v1 him any other time thats not for anything its the normal members that are pretty bad, rating him as a leader I would put him a little bit higher maybe but his regiment as a whole I would defenitely give a bump. Still the question hasn't been answered about the leaders. Is the list about Leaders or the regiment they led? because if its about leaders the list is severely skewed

[Stroke0fd34th]

I dont know why people are relating the regiment's ability with the leader's leading ability. Any 12 year old can lead a line of melee-whores and still win.

I disagree.

Deadeye already proved that, so Andee got you there Alex.

I agree with Alex. Although leading a line of melee whores can make a leader seem better than they are, it's not really an auto win either. It only takes holding at the wrong moment or getting out flanked or otherwise out maneuvered to get your entire line shot to pieces, even regiments full of melee whores are not immune to bullets.

[Andee]

Anyone with a strong melee reg can run in, volley once, and charge.

[Svenypoo]

Anyone with a strong melee reg can run in, volley once (and miss all their shots), and charge.

[Stroke0fd34th]

Anyone with a strong melee reg can run in, volley once, and charge.

I mean, ask the 9y how that worked out for them against the 12th.

Yes, it is easy for a regiment with all stars to run in an smash a regiment of noobs, but it stops working when you're against leaders who know how to counter that, or don't have a regiment full of kids playing the game for the 1st time.