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Title: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: kpetschulat on March 22, 2014, 04:19:59 pm
Since Davout got butthurt, I'm opening up this thread for us reenactors. Enjoy!

I got my low boots the other day, and they are super sexy. I'll post some pictures later. I definitely recommend going to Jan Berger for your boots for WWII Reenacting. He's a great guy, does great work. Well worth the big money.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on March 22, 2014, 04:30:50 pm
Got cavarly training tomorrow. Went to University Open day today.

Sleeping in? No, not this weekend.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: kpetschulat on March 22, 2014, 04:39:36 pm
... cavarly...

You're a hussar reenactor, right? :-\
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on March 22, 2014, 04:55:51 pm
Yes, I portray the 6th (Dutch) hussars.
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Post by: Erik le Rouge on March 22, 2014, 05:35:52 pm
I think he was refering to the fact that you wrote, "cavarly", Duuring ;D
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Post by: Duuring on March 22, 2014, 06:18:13 pm
I blame sleep shortage.
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Post by: Walko on March 22, 2014, 06:36:02 pm
I blame sheep shortage.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on March 22, 2014, 06:39:56 pm
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Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Ililsa on March 22, 2014, 06:56:37 pm
Got cavarly training tomorrow. Went to University Open day today.

Sleeping in? No, not this weekend.

I too train on sundays. How regularly to you get to go?

(Aw yiss, weekly trainings.)
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on March 22, 2014, 07:20:06 pm
Once a month. And events, of course.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Captain America on March 22, 2014, 07:27:05 pm
Getting myself a tasty strichtarn parka so I can be warm and represent the glorious DDR!
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on March 22, 2014, 07:34:10 pm
Re-enacting the DDR? What?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Ililsa on March 22, 2014, 07:41:30 pm
Once a month. And events, of course.

I feel damn lucky that I get to do stuff every week. Seems to me that Napoleonic has a lot more events throughout the year though.

As far as I can tell the big thing for us is summer bookings, usually by historic sites that want some extra visitors.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on March 22, 2014, 07:45:22 pm
Training every week, I don't know about you but I don't have the time to do reenactment every week. I got things to do for school, studying, that takes time.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Ililsa on March 22, 2014, 07:53:57 pm
Training every week, I don't know about you but I don't have the time to do reenactment every week. I got things to do for school, studying, that takes time.

It's usually never full attendance, people just try and make whatever sessions they can.

Everyone's got work or Uni to worry about, but for example, my Uni work requires a lot of contact with people who are unlikely to meet me on a Sunday, so I can get there most weeks.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on March 22, 2014, 10:09:00 pm
My lowboot got the sole and everything blown off. ;(.

Good thing my gefreiter can fix it anyway. And good thing it blown off at the return march instead of event start. Whew!

Just got back from fort Custer tactical. Was great event, we humped a hill and I flanked hard that helped the unit capture the hill with my friend who was near me. I told him my idea and we did it and the whole battalion got restregnthed at the perfect time. A whistle and we over ran the allied position.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Ililsa on March 22, 2014, 10:10:51 pm
My lowboot got the sole and everything blown off. ;(.

wat.

Blackpowder sorcery?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on March 22, 2014, 10:20:46 pm
Naw there's lowboot shortage going around. Either you pay 125 or 400. Mine was pre used ATF. Lasted two hardcore event. But it's no big deal, cost 18 bucks to get both pair resole
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: zac on March 22, 2014, 10:38:04 pm
...
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on March 22, 2014, 10:38:36 pm
I blame the recession.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on March 22, 2014, 10:41:58 pm
I blame china tho.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on March 22, 2014, 10:51:07 pm
I'm sorry, the Chinese President (Prime Minister? Supreme Leader? Party-leader? The big guy, anyway) is currently visiting us and signing a 20.000.000 euro deal. I'm not allowed to speak out against the Chinese. Of course, they are dicks, and you know...Oh hold on. Someone at the door.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on March 22, 2014, 11:28:25 pm
Hey at least you are not barricaded in your own city.

For those who don't know, the Nuclear Securtiy Summit 2014 is being held in a little more than a day in my city, the Hague. Roadblocks everywhere, soldiers and police patrolling every corner. The entire city center is closed off so Mr Obama and Frau Merkel can cruise around, and then there's three US fighters circling above the city, all day long. And did I mention Obama has moorred a warship not far from our coastline!
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on March 22, 2014, 11:34:40 pm
Well enjoy living in a warzone for a few days. I'm actually a bit surprised they got the soldiers out. What gear are they wearing?

"Duuring this is highly off-topic"
I know, I know...
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on March 22, 2014, 11:59:46 pm
Dunno, haven't seen them myself though. And I'm a bit surrounded by idiots here. I asked someone what their gear looked like and he responded: like soldiers' gear.

Yeah, that's really freaking helpfull.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on March 23, 2014, 12:05:58 am
I can totally see that happening on a scouting mission with some re-enactors

"Private, what did you see on your scouting mission?"
"Soldiers, sir!"
"Well, what were they wearing?"
"Uniforms, sir!"
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on March 23, 2014, 12:13:37 am
Oi m8. Politik Diskussion ist in offtopic nicht reenactment section.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Ililsa on March 23, 2014, 12:15:23 am
I sat in on a British Army Infantry class once at Catterick. Good tip for recon: Make sure each member of your group is looking for something different and knows what they're looking for when you set out.

Like one guy looking for weapon types, another guy evaluates defenses. Whatever works.

Probably more useful for the WW2 guys. If I was scouting I'd have to come back going 'WHOY THEYS GOT BITS UV METAL ON STICKS THEY AV!'
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on March 23, 2014, 12:19:12 am
Metal on sticks?

We're doomed! Doooooooooommmedddd!!!
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on March 23, 2014, 12:29:53 am
It's saturday night and what are we doing...........spending our time on the reenactment forum.....
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on March 23, 2014, 03:42:47 am
Oh btw. Poland cannot into fighting.

We struggled with Americans refusing to take hit at a position so we fell back and had lunch. Then we marched back to CP to get order. We found polish paratroopers attacking the CP so we got up close in their rear and went rapid fire taking out the poles right away while loosing two guys.

Silly polan.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: kpetschulat on March 23, 2014, 04:01:17 am
Wait...

... let me take a selfie!
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[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdemFfbS5H0[/youtube]
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Killington on March 23, 2014, 06:01:00 am
Wait...

... let me take a selfie!
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[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdemFfbS5H0[/youtube]
I like your hat :)
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Millander on March 23, 2014, 07:55:51 am
Slept in 30 degree weather without a tent and only a wool blanket. It's been tough. Sniping rebs across the river.
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Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on March 23, 2014, 12:49:10 pm
Slept in 30 degree weather without a tent and only a wool blanket. It's been tough. Sniping rebs across the river.
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Hah slept in 7 degree in a foxhole with a single wool blanket during snowstorm. Top that m8

Great pic btw, look like you was at Devil's Den.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Captain America on March 23, 2014, 12:56:11 pm
Re-enacting the DDR? What?

Maybe, if I can get enough kit together, there is a Warsaw Pact group in the UK, so I might get in contact with them. Even so, need a bit of strichtarn in my life
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on March 23, 2014, 01:42:18 pm
Drink shitton of Spezi for me Genossen!
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Captain America on March 23, 2014, 09:48:06 pm
Jawohl, Genossen! Mein vergnügen!
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on March 24, 2014, 04:39:13 am
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Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: George385 on March 24, 2014, 04:42:29 am
so i got my fighting knife or scramaseax :D

its pretty, and has my name engraved in it in old English  8)
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Millander on March 24, 2014, 05:13:58 am
The photos I have so far, Im sur emore will surface in a couple days.

 I had my first battle event of the season this week. It was fun meeting all my buds again and being out in the field. I have decided this season although I belong to a mainstream club im going to attempt to be as authentic as I can. I think I was the only person on the federal battalion of 100 or so guys to sleep only in a single wool blanket and who carried all of my gear with me into battle. Its kind of annoying being one of the few guys who cares enough about their impressions to do all of this but it also kind of give me a sence of pride of being the only one. Beyond Authenticity I enjoy the challenge of it.

 My Federal impression so far. I did some experimentation that turned out well of wearing my gear different. Notice how I have my gum blanket tucked into my belt. All in preparation for Pciketts Mill.
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 We had an late morning pickett fight scenario. I was more game with trying to convince my officer to let me trade rations across the covered bridge that was just out of shot but sadly to no avail. Both sides were in some steep devil's den rocks rock separated by a river.

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Also heres a game of "Find Millander". As a hint im one of the few guys who isn't 12 or out of shape.

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Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vorposten on March 24, 2014, 08:09:15 am
Also heres a game of "Find Millander". As a hint im one of the few guys who isn't 12 or out of shape.

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The One standing next to the Union-Flag?  ???
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Wolff on March 24, 2014, 12:06:00 pm
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"Ihre Söhne um Schutz für Vaterland Begleiten Sie uns heute! 275th Infanterie Division"   lol wot m8 ???
 
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: zac on March 24, 2014, 01:00:08 pm
yanky doodle....
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on March 24, 2014, 04:17:54 pm
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"Ihre Söhne um Schutz für Vaterland Begleiten Sie uns heute! 275th Infanterie Division"   lol wot m8 ???


No idea, asked a kamerad what i should put there, he just gave me this. 

I wanted to say Die Schlacht um Aachen.  But i just found out that event wasnt really purely Aachen-based.  Just a generic 1944-45 Last Stand of the Reich scenario.   

I think its suppose to say "Your sons at guard for Fatherland. Join us today! 275th Infanterie Division."

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Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on March 24, 2014, 05:57:42 pm
Oh joy, I can barrow saddle and horsegear for event next week. It'll be so much swaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag!

Now I just have to learn how to gear my horse up, Napoleonic style.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on March 24, 2014, 06:22:37 pm
I don't know who you are, Duuring.

But at Bourtange, I will find you and I will meet you.
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Post by: Vincenzo on March 24, 2014, 10:09:48 pm
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"Ihre Söhne um Schutz für Vaterland Begleiten Sie uns heute! 275th Infanterie Division"   lol wot m8 ???


No idea, asked a kamerad what i should put there, he just gave me this. 

I wanted to say Die Schlacht um Aachen.  But i just found out that event wasnt really purely Aachen-based.  Just a generic 1944-45 Last Stand of the Reich scenario.   

I think its suppose to say "Your sons at guard for Fatherland. Join us today! 275th Infanterie Division."

Spoiler
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Living in Germany for a year i can tell you that is some of the worst German language abuse Ive seen in a while.


In other news I might attend a reenactment event in montmirail France end of May.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Mortem on March 24, 2014, 10:11:58 pm
In other news I might attend a reenactment event in montmirail France end of May.
AWESOME! I will be there aswell :D
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btw i will get my new shoes next week :P
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Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on March 24, 2014, 10:16:45 pm
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"Ihre Söhne um Schutz für Vaterland Begleiten Sie uns heute! 275th Infanterie Division"   lol wot m8 ???


No idea, asked a kamerad what i should put there, he just gave me this. 

I wanted to say Die Schlacht um Aachen.  But i just found out that event wasnt really purely Aachen-based.  Just a generic 1944-45 Last Stand of the Reich scenario.   

I think its suppose to say "Your sons at guard for Fatherland. Join us today! 275th Infanterie Division."

Spoiler
(https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1.0-9/1620379_1451932405043069_1036136584_n.jpg)
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Living in Germany for a year i can tell you that is some of the worst German language abuse Ive seen in a while.


In other news I might attend a reenactment event in montmirail France end of May.


Now I am going to ask him if he used Google Translate for this.   

/note to self, better to ask a native German speaker for translation, not another American.  ::)
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on March 24, 2014, 11:46:58 pm
I don't know who you are, Duuring.

But at Bourtange, I will find you and I will meet you.

Find the guy on a horse under the age of 30. Can't miss me.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Millander on March 25, 2014, 02:45:58 am
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"Ihre Söhne um Schutz für Vaterland Begleiten Sie uns heute! 275th Infanterie Division"   lol wot m8 ???


No idea, asked a kamerad what i should put there, he just gave me this. 

I wanted to say Die Schlacht um Aachen.  But i just found out that event wasnt really purely Aachen-based.  Just a generic 1944-45 Last Stand of the Reich scenario.   

I think its suppose to say "Your sons at guard for Fatherland. Join us today! 275th Infanterie Division."

Spoiler
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Living in Germany for a year i can tell you that is some of the worst German language abuse Ive seen in a while.


In other news I might attend a reenactment event in montmirail France end of May.

Vince you should write about your experience at Leipzig. I believe were friends on Facebook and I saw your pictures from that event.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Millander on March 25, 2014, 06:37:32 am
Also a photo of me just after firing a shot from behind a rock.
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 A question to all you other guys. If there was a unit/impression you would like to portray in your in whatever your main period is what would it be? I would love to do western Federal or the 24th Massachusetts.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: kpetschulat on March 25, 2014, 01:07:03 pm
If I was in a far better physical shape, I would absolutely love to portray a WWII German Fallschirmjaeger. My great-grandfather was a Fallschirmjaeger, and I just have this thing for Fjr's. If Napoleonic Reenacting was much more popular here in the US, I would absolutely do that, and probably do an Austrian or French impression.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on March 25, 2014, 01:44:54 pm
The Doauniers (that group, yes) are apparently thinking about doing Field division of fallschirmjagers/luftwaffe. Multi-period yeeh.

The groups president, who also happens to be the commanding officer, site maintenance and researcher, already has been to one or two WW2 events with the uniform of a luftwaffe officer. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

To counter that, me and a buddy, who does musician in the 7th Bat. of the line, are probably gonna join a Soviet group  :P
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on March 25, 2014, 03:49:37 pm
I would love to portray 5th Florida of the Florida Brigade. A small but spartan band!  :D
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on March 25, 2014, 03:53:30 pm
Anything British, I freaking love British Napoleontic uniforms. And perhaps if I was in better shape a 80 Years War/30 years war/ English Civil War unit.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Newkirk on March 25, 2014, 05:18:02 pm
Company C, 26th North Carolina Regiment. "The Wilkes Volunteers." Gotta represent the home folks first. ;)

Totally not an excuse for subscribing to the thread.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on March 25, 2014, 05:37:23 pm
Anything British, I freaking love British Napoleontic uniforms. And perhaps if I was in better shape a 80 Years War/30 years war/ English Civil War unit.

Do the 8th Line in 1814. They wore British uniforms. Which they were given by the Prussians. Makes sense eh?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Ililsa on March 25, 2014, 07:31:04 pm
Given that 3 or 4 years down the line it's entirely possible (perhaps a little unlikely) that I could be portraying an English Knight, we'll rule that one out.

Keeping it within the Medieval era rather than going into the Dark Ages (I wouldn't mind portraying a Northumbrian during Oswald's reign) then perhaps a monastic knightly order would be cool to have as an impression.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Wolff on March 25, 2014, 08:06:40 pm
Prussian line Infantry would be nice...but with some proper guys
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on March 25, 2014, 10:25:42 pm
I hate having to ask people for favours like a sleeping place or a lift. Hnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.

Social skills : 0
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: George385 on March 25, 2014, 10:30:02 pm
Given that 3 or 4 years down the line it's entirely possible (perhaps a little unlikely) that I could be portraying an English Knight, we'll rule that one out.

Keeping it within the Medieval era rather than going into the Dark Ages (I wouldn't mind portraying a Northumbrian during Oswald's reign) then perhaps a monastic knightly order would be cool to have as an impression.

why? the Dark Ages are cool, thats what i portray, a noble Anglo-Saxon during the 10th/11th century, its a very exciting era.

and we have the most reenactors at the biggest of events.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on March 25, 2014, 10:54:43 pm
Oh look!

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New dream-impression.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on March 26, 2014, 12:05:49 am
Enjoy your one battle glory.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Millander on March 26, 2014, 04:17:24 am
Just saw that on the Don Trioni page. Also what lead to the closure of the old thread?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: zac on March 26, 2014, 09:13:48 am
Under 18's Arguing over stupid things once again...Jks

Basically we did what all reenactors do, argue,, things will cool down and we all move on Ja, and we all buy a drink at an Aussie bar next year haha

@Davout
@Duuring
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Captain America on March 26, 2014, 09:32:05 am
Zac gets it, why fight mein Genossen?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Ililsa on March 26, 2014, 09:34:54 am
Given that 3 or 4 years down the line it's entirely possible (perhaps a little unlikely) that I could be portraying an English Knight, we'll rule that one out.

Keeping it within the Medieval era rather than going into the Dark Ages (I wouldn't mind portraying a Northumbrian during Oswald's reign) then perhaps a monastic knightly order would be cool to have as an impression.

why? the Dark Ages are cool, thats what i portray, a noble Anglo-Saxon during the 10th/11th century, its a very exciting era.

and we have the most reenactors at the biggest of events.

Just to keep it within the usual range of 'Medieval' era. I figure the most popular dates used are 1066 to the late 1400s.

Like I said, it would be awesome to portray an early Northumbrian and kill some Mercian scum.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on March 26, 2014, 10:08:18 am
Under 18's Arguing over stupid things once again...Jks

Basically we did what all reenactors do, argue,, things will cool down and we all move on Ja, and we all buy a drink at an Aussie bar next year haha

@Davout
@Duuring

You buying?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: zac on March 26, 2014, 11:53:15 am
Of course
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on March 26, 2014, 11:55:25 am
Cheers!
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on March 26, 2014, 02:11:49 pm
Prussian line Infantry would be nice...but with some proper guys

What does proper guys mean.. ?
There are quite a few groups portraying Prussian Line Infantry.

I doubt that anyone from Germany is going to Bourtange, right? I would like to go, its not too far, but I have no car or drivers license and it seems like Bourtange or the surrounding cities have no public transportation network.
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Post by: Vorposten on March 26, 2014, 02:43:11 pm
I know some, but I can't actually go to bourtange, because I have other things to do.
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Post by: Wolff on March 26, 2014, 02:43:35 pm
Prussian line Infantry would be nice...but with some proper guys

What does proper guys mean.. ?
There are quite a few groups portraying Prussian Line Infantry.

I doubt that anyone from Germany is going to Bourtange, right? I would like to go, its not too far, but I have no car or drivers license and it seems like Bourtange or the surrounding cities have no public transportation network.

Well, some of the prussian line infantrists are really good (Schlesische Grenadiere e.g.). But another part are groups of mainly 50+ guys, not very active and often  not accurate enough equipdement ;)

Some of my comrades will be in Bourtange but I can't go there
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Post by: joer5835 on March 26, 2014, 03:13:36 pm
Prussian line Infantry would be nice...but with some proper guys

What does proper guys mean.. ?
There are quite a few groups portraying Prussian Line Infantry.

I doubt that anyone from Germany is going to Bourtange, right? I would like to go, its not too far, but I have no car or drivers license and it seems like Bourtange or the surrounding cities have no public transportation network.

Get a train to Emmen, you can take a bus to nearby or get somebody to pick you up from the station.
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Post by: Olafson on March 26, 2014, 03:30:26 pm
Well that would take me about 4-5 hours, which is not really worth it, just for visiting. I can be in Berlin or Paris in that time.
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Post by: Duuring on March 26, 2014, 03:36:48 pm
Damn all of you people not coming to Bourtange.

DAMN ALL OF YOU
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Post by: Millander on March 26, 2014, 03:42:14 pm
I would but it would be take a while to drive over.
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Post by: Olafson on March 26, 2014, 03:58:59 pm
Damn all of you people not coming to Bourtange.

DAMN ALL OF YOU

Convince Kitty that she does not have to work on Saturday, or convince Vince to drive alone to Bourtange, and me and Vince will come!
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Post by: joer5835 on March 26, 2014, 04:03:47 pm
Damn all of you people not coming to Bourtange.

DAMN ALL OF YOU

But...but...but...you still got me  :'(
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Post by: Duuring on March 26, 2014, 05:53:01 pm
IT'S NOT ENOUGH! IT'S NEVER ENOUGH!

The cavalry will play a rather minor role during the battle though. We're just there to look cool.  :P
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Post by: joer5835 on March 26, 2014, 07:42:34 pm
Not much different from your historical role then.

Hate comments commencing in three.....two...one.....
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Post by: Vincenzo on March 26, 2014, 08:10:23 pm
My girlfriend has to work but allowed me to go to Bourtange on Sunday, I'm taking Olafson and his Brother with me, should be fun event to visit as spectator.
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Post by: Duuring on March 26, 2014, 08:16:41 pm
Not much different from your historical role then.

Hate comments commencing in three.....two...one.....

DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMNNNN YOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
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Post by: joer5835 on March 26, 2014, 08:27:50 pm
Hey, at least you aren't a marine on dry land!
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Post by: Olafson on March 26, 2014, 08:49:48 pm
Yay! So.. Vince, Kitty, My Brother (Ulfgar) and I am are going to Bourtange on sunday!
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Post by: Duuring on March 26, 2014, 08:53:22 pm
Hey, at least you aren't a marine on dry land!

You re-enact Dutch/French sailors, so that's entiiiiiiiiiiiirely accurate.

Yay! So.. Vince, Kitty, My Brother (Ulfgar) and I am are going to Bourtange on sunday!

Beware of the small cannon on the yellow wheels...Bewaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaare!
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Post by: joer5835 on March 26, 2014, 09:58:10 pm
Hey, at least you aren't a marine on dry land!

You re-enact Dutch/French sailors, so that's entiiiiiiiiiiiirely accurate.

That's...that's.....just mean....

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Post by: Vincenzo on March 26, 2014, 10:53:55 pm
Small cannon on yellow wheels? o.o
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Post by: kpetschulat on March 26, 2014, 10:54:39 pm
Culverin?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on March 27, 2014, 12:24:56 am
Hey, at least you aren't a marine on dry land!

You re-enact Dutch/French sailors, so that's entiiiiiiiiiiiirely accurate.

That's...that's.....just mean....

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I wasn't kidding. It's historical accurate. More historical accurate then being on a ship for the 1806-1814 timeframe.

Small cannon on yellow wheels? o.o

After you lost your hearing, you'll understand.
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Post by: joer5835 on March 27, 2014, 02:02:26 pm
Who's bringing that thing? That way I know who or what I should avoid.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on March 27, 2014, 02:06:55 pm
Group of Belgians with bad uniforms. French uniforms.
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Post by: joer5835 on March 27, 2014, 02:08:17 pm
Name?
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Post by: Millander on March 27, 2014, 02:31:13 pm
A question for you folk that im surprised that I havent seen here. What is your opinion on rank? Do you guys hold ranks beyond private in your respective units? Do you enjoy it or would you rather be a private. Myself I know I wouldn't want to be anything above a private.
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Post by: kpetschulat on March 27, 2014, 02:33:31 pm
I think that's relative to the groups. The group I joined started me as a Schuetze (Private). After a certain amount of events - I think three or four -, I will get a "Deutschland" cuff link and a promotion to Oberschuetze (Private, First Class... sorta'). After that, it all depends on the group leader to give promotions.
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Post by: Duuring on March 27, 2014, 03:27:11 pm
Name?

Had to look it up: José Franco. Just ask anyone 'What's the deal with that José guy', and they'll probably answer 'Big boom'.

A question for you folk that im surprised that I havent seen here. What is your opinion on rank? Do you guys hold ranks beyond private in your respective units? Do you enjoy it or would you rather be a private. Myself I know I wouldn't want to be anything above a private.

I've just a trooper and I like being that. Of course, we already have a sergeant and a corporal so we really don't need anymore ranks. Our corporal leads exercises and our sergeant commands in the field; Works perfectly. We'll never get an officer simply because we don't need one, it looks stupid and it's deadly. (Inside joke, right there  :P )

Whether I would like to hold a rank is something entirely different. I find that wanting a rank because it's rank is the best reason to NOT be given a rank. That being said, I've been in sub-command one or two times before (when I was still a dirty peasant, aka infantryman) and I actually liked doing it. Important when someone is given a rank, is that he accepts the positive and negative aspects of it. What I see too often is people playing NCO with a sabre, playing important and telling everybody how NCO's were much more important then officers anyway. I'm sure you've all met these guys.

One time, I was invited to a small re-enactment with another infantrygroup and a few others guys were invited as well. One of those other invited guys managed to get a sorta MP-role, and from that he just went full officer. When we were marching, he would give command, while no-one asked him too. During our longest drills, he simply left the ranks and went to have a talk with someone, while the rest of us are marching. Cos he officer. Sigh.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on March 27, 2014, 03:40:02 pm
I would like to hold Corporal rank soon and definately do want to be First Sergeant in the future in ACW.

Gefreiter in WW2.

 As right now, I am just a private/Grenadier.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on March 27, 2014, 04:12:46 pm
1st Sergeant is best rank. High enough to get bitches, low enough to show people you work for a living.

The equivalent of 1st Sergeant is Sergeant-Majoor in Dutch (And French)  :P
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on March 27, 2014, 04:22:30 pm
Damn Straight Duuring!  8)
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Post by: zac on March 27, 2014, 08:31:34 pm
2nd Lt in Marines/ Lt is NSW Corps and Lance Corporal (up for promotion end of this year if i pass)
Acting Corporal and soon probably to be confirmed in 21eme

we do it on years (+5 for anything big) /commitment/historical accuracy (i sleep in Barns etc instead on tents)
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Post by: Ililsa on March 28, 2014, 07:48:20 pm
'Rank' as it exists in my group is based on weapon competencies and gear. Time spent in the group contributes slightly as you need to take part in show seasons to meet certain criteria. The quickest you could get to knight is two years.

At the moment I'm technically a 'bondsman' working my way to being graded as a levy, which requires me to have basic soft kit, be competent with a sword and be a responsible group member.
At the same time I'm training a lot with axes, which works towards my competency grading for being a sergeant-at-arms.

Rank is something that's more important to the combat stuff than the actual running of the group. Most people on the group committee are knights, but mostly because they've been there the longest. A member who's a knight isn't inherently more important than a member who's a levy.
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Post by: Landrik on March 29, 2014, 05:52:44 am
I've acted as a Leutnant at one event. Honestly, the way I was going around I felt more like an Unteroffizier. It was a lot of work and organizing and not getting too much time to sit and chat. It was also a learning experience and I had a lot of fun.

...but I sure as hell like Gefreiter. If you're doing your rank justice, you'll find it's a lot of work but really rewarding because a leader serves those under him. It can't be a one-man show either and it's definitely not a democracy, although it is good to get along with your guys otherwise it's not fun for anyone. It's a hobby afterall.

For WWI and ACW I'm just a lowly Musketier/Private. I'm good with that. Running around to different camps in brogans is already way more work than marschstiefeln. Don't want to make a job out of it if I can, haha.

--

By the way, none of y'all can be as O.G. as this:
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on March 30, 2014, 06:05:27 pm
Of course it had to be the black guy  ::) ::)
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Post by: Duuring on March 30, 2014, 09:57:46 pm
I'm tired and I smell horrible.

I also just returned from a great re-enactment. BOOOOOOUUUUURRRRTANGE!
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Post by: Olafson on March 30, 2014, 11:41:41 pm
Here, have a picture of yourself riding your horsie!

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And yes, that seriously is the best picture I got from you.  You were always hidden behind your comrades, like on this one:

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Don't mind the quality, I reduced it, because I didn't want to spend the whole night uploading
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Post by: SlothFather on March 30, 2014, 11:57:15 pm
Here, have a picture of yourself riding your horsie!

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And yes, that seriously is the best picture I got from you.  You were always hidden behind your comrades, like on this one:

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Don't mind the quality, I reduced it, because I didn't want to spend the whole night uploading
Silly nightcaps
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Post by: Duuring on March 31, 2014, 12:33:17 am
Oh my. Fjords. Worst cavalry horses EVER. At least looking-wise. They have no neck. He was great to ride on, just not to use as a cavalry horse.

Next event will be on my trusty Wouter  :P

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Post by: Mr T on March 31, 2014, 12:54:15 am
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzdAM6fkVmM[/youtube]
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Post by: Landrik on March 31, 2014, 06:34:26 am
They took h-hits?

*slow clap*
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Post by: Millander on March 31, 2014, 06:41:38 am
I noticed that to.
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Post by: Duuring on March 31, 2014, 07:41:37 am
 :P
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Post by: Vincenzo on March 31, 2014, 02:06:32 pm
Yeep, that was very cool. very good reenactment event, lots to see, lots of action and a great place to hold it.

We as spectators sure had fun.
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Post by: Duuring on March 31, 2014, 02:35:30 pm
Vince, tell them about the glorious actions of the cavalry on that warm day in March...
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on March 31, 2014, 02:39:01 pm
Damn thats one ugly looking horse you got there.
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Post by: Duuring on March 31, 2014, 02:56:58 pm
Damn thats one ugly looking horse you got there.

 :'(
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Post by: Mr T on March 31, 2014, 07:14:33 pm
Early medieval re-enactment is pretty kewl

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSdr4Jo7qN4[/youtube]

VIKINGR! VIKINGR! VIKINGR!
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Post by: Wolff on March 31, 2014, 07:49:33 pm
Duuring and his ugly pony  ;)

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=817805801580319&set=a.817571374937095.1073741921.100000527210693&type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=817805988246967&set=a.817571374937095.1073741921.100000527210693&type=3&theater
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Post by: Olafson on March 31, 2014, 08:05:03 pm
Early medieval re-enactment is pretty kewl

#snip#

VIKINGR! VIKINGR! VIKINGR!

The location is horrible though...

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I loved to see the Highlanders charging up the wall.
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Post by: joer5835 on March 31, 2014, 08:37:26 pm
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I loved to see the Highlanders charging up the wall.

On saturday I stood right behind them as they climbed up, it wasn't a nice sight.
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Post by: Olafson on March 31, 2014, 10:09:30 pm
Hahaha
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Post by: Duuring on March 31, 2014, 10:21:36 pm
Don't bully Nicolai guys, he was just born that way  :P
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: George385 on April 01, 2014, 06:36:22 am
Early medieval re-enactment is pretty kewl

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSdr4Jo7qN4[/youtube]

VIKINGR! VIKINGR! VIKINGR!

you are damn right it is :P
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Post by: Mr T on April 01, 2014, 08:51:19 am
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hy63NB8uks4[/youtube]

For some reason the last 3-4 minutes focuses on a pair of folk singers, rest of the videos good though
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Post by: Vincenzo on April 01, 2014, 10:53:48 am
Cool vid but not much of the battle in it.

Through Wolff I found this photo album
https://www.facebook.com/cpetsepers/media_set?set=a.817571374937095.1073741921.100000527210693&type=3
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Post by: Wolff on April 01, 2014, 03:16:17 pm
well I don't like the music but this video is pretty nice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG0Hi-r7BI0&feature=youtu.be
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Post by: Duuring on April 01, 2014, 03:18:31 pm
It's pretty cool yeah  :P
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Post by: joer5835 on April 01, 2014, 03:51:45 pm
I find the lack of footage showing us the sailors.....disappointing.
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Post by: Olafson on April 01, 2014, 04:59:03 pm
Here!

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Post by: joer5835 on April 01, 2014, 05:02:04 pm
And all of em taken while I was either somewhere else or not looking into the camera :(
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 01, 2014, 05:52:29 pm
IS THAT THE ENTIRE DUTCH NAVY?!   ;D ;D

Huehuehue
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Post by: Mr T on April 01, 2014, 07:11:06 pm
Oh my God, the Highlander Sergeant sounds hilarious, sounds like a barking dog

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEkGgzP2T6I[/youtube]

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Post by: Duuring on April 01, 2014, 07:21:51 pm
Dat drill. ACW re-enactors can go suck a percussion. :P
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 01, 2014, 09:42:45 pm
Dat FARB drill. ACW re-enactors can go and be a MASTER RACE. :p
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Post by: Olafson on April 01, 2014, 09:43:42 pm
Makes me wonder though, do percussion cap rifles misfire as often as flintlocks?

I have only attended a CW reenactment once and to me it seemed like they did not misfire a whole lot. It would make sense at least, the percussion cap should make it easier to burn the powder inside.

And all of em taken while I was either somewhere else or not looking into the camera :(

Who are you? I might have more.
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Post by: Duuring on April 01, 2014, 10:41:03 pm
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Post by: joer5835 on April 01, 2014, 10:57:16 pm
And all of em taken while I was either somewhere else or not looking into the camera :(

Who are you? I might have more.

The small guy with the glasses. You can see me smiling in the back in the pic Duuring posted.

(Ignore my farb glasses, they're old and they colour black when the sun shines on em. I'll replace them with something more authentic as soon as I can)
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 01, 2014, 11:24:58 pm
Makes me wonder though, do percussion cap rifles misfire as often as flintlocks?

I have only attended a CW reenactment once and to me it seemed like they did not misfire a whole lot. It would make sense at least, the percussion cap should make it easier to burn the powder inside.

And all of em taken while I was either somewhere else or not looking into the camera :(

Who are you? I might have more.


Actually I don't know why but there's less misfire in ACW.

I have been doing this a year and half. Never had a misfire, only had hammer issue once.
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Post by: Duuring on April 01, 2014, 11:28:59 pm
It's because percussion caps are a designed chemical exploding device. They'll almost never fail to ignite. They work better - hence why they replaced flintlocks with percussions.

Still took armies forever, though.
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Post by: Millander on April 02, 2014, 07:04:45 am
On a different note im currently 4 pounds away from the average weight of a Union Soldier which was 143 Pounds. I definitely feel authentic builds help make an impression more than most high quality uniforms.
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Post by: Landrik on April 02, 2014, 07:15:32 am
Only issues I've had with percussion cap firearms is a gunked up nipple or the powder was not properly seated at the bottom (loldisregardramrodscuzsafety)
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Post by: zac on April 02, 2014, 10:23:32 am
if u dont know why percussion cap firearms have less misfires than flintlocks.....well thats all im saying :P




 ::) ;D ;)
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Post by: Olafson on April 02, 2014, 10:49:56 am
Well as I said, it would make sense for them to misfire less often, but maybe there are other issues that I did not think of.

Interestingly enough it also took armies forever to introduce the bolt action rifle or repeaters.
I guess people tend to stay traditional and on the safe side. Never try something new.

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Post by: Captain America on April 02, 2014, 12:16:12 pm
Armies tended to be worried about soldiers burning through all their ammunition in a couple of minutes with repeaters, they didn't really make sense until manufacturing was fully industrialised and logistics could keep up with the massive demand for ammunition.
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Post by: zac on April 02, 2014, 01:42:29 pm
Well as I said, it would make sense for them to misfire less often, but maybe there are other issues that I did not think of.

Interestingly enough it also took armies forever to introduce the bolt action rifle or repeaters.
I guess people tend to stay traditional and on the safe side. Never try something new.



yep,the sad thing is i would take my bess over my .303/k98 etc anyday haha,nowhere near as good,but i 'connect' better idk with dear bessy hehe

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hehe,seen this raft all over FB xD  fweeeends working together  8)
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Post by: Vincenzo on April 02, 2014, 01:45:14 pm
On a different note im currently 4 pounds away from the average weight of a Union Soldier which was 143 Pounds. I definitely feel authentic builds help make an impression more than most high quality uniforms.
Shit then I have to loose 66 pounds or 30 Kilogrammes before i am an authentic reenactor...
Guess I'll get on with it then..


Shitty is im about to order my uniform and it would suck if i suddenly dont fit them anymore haha :P
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Post by: Millander on April 02, 2014, 03:29:59 pm
Oh your getting a uniform Vince? What impression?

You live in Germany correct? There is a german 20th Maine Co.G out of Hamburg that fell in with my company G at gettysburg.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 02, 2014, 03:37:02 pm
I'd join this

http://www.germanmess.de/  (http://www.germanmess.de/)

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Post by: zac on April 02, 2014, 03:39:22 pm
sorry acw plebs, hes joining us hehe, and he lives in duuring land
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 02, 2014, 03:44:15 pm
oh another dutch farb,  >:(
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Post by: Vincenzo on April 02, 2014, 04:32:05 pm
Nothing against dutch people, their awesome and stuff.

And yes I've joined the 21eme officially and busy getting my kit together.
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Post by: Olafson on April 02, 2014, 05:36:57 pm
On a different note im currently 4 pounds away from the average weight of a Union Soldier which was 143 Pounds. I definitely feel authentic builds help make an impression more than most high quality uniforms.
Shit then I have to loose 66 pounds or 30 Kilogrammes before i am an authentic reenactor...
Guess I'll get on with it then..


Shitty is im about to order my uniform and it would suck if i suddenly dont fit them anymore haha :P

It depends on how large you are, you know. You are not very small...
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Post by: Mortem on April 02, 2014, 06:11:29 pm
time to kill vince :D
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on April 02, 2014, 06:32:53 pm
If anyone can help me find a french infanry 1812 Habit Veste made within now and 7 weeks then hit me a message on steam. or leave a message here.
It's one of the items I really want to get and can't get anywhere in a good time frame.

Also still looking for a source for the Pokalem...


Normally my regiment gets the uniforms made at http://www.re-enactorswardrobe.eu/ but they are overworked and have 10 weeks waiting time, too late for the event in france at the end of may.
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Post by: Mr T on April 02, 2014, 06:39:45 pm
Je Passe Quand Meme!
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Post by: Duuring on April 02, 2014, 06:43:14 pm
oh another dutch farb,  >:(

 :'( :'( :'( :'(

A habit veste within 7 weeks? Vince, you can forget that.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on April 02, 2014, 08:58:52 pm
Well you can buy some cuts and the materials necessary for it, go to your local tailor and create it there.. I guess. The local tailor should have the skills to create it as long as he has the materials.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on April 02, 2014, 09:25:31 pm
Dangerous. Tailors usually have no idea of 19th century fashion and designs. Most online 'Make-it-yourself' cuts are pretty bad too.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 02, 2014, 09:42:07 pm
Unless you provide the tailor pattern.  Tailors can read instruction and sew it for you. Just ask for handsewn or machine sewn whatever. But i would imagine that will come out in a hefty price.
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Post by: Vincenzo on April 02, 2014, 09:45:04 pm
Yeah, I currently have two options left, either a company in the Netherlands that has experience with Napoleonic Uniforms, not sure in the specific one I'm after, but I will mail them about it;
http://www.cooperschoice.nl/

My other hope is a company in Australia, he has some on stock and is checking if their in my size, if not its probably not going to be in time shipped from Australia;
http://corpsutler.tripod.com/id16.html


Though their prices are awesome, because the australian dollar is worth next-to-nothing it might even be intresting to order some more stuff from australia, even including shipping it won't be bad on cost, just delivery time will be long.
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Post by: Duuring on April 02, 2014, 11:06:10 pm
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Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on April 02, 2014, 11:20:08 pm
Oranje BOVEN!
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Post by: George385 on April 02, 2014, 11:22:22 pm
i might have to start nap just to kill vince  ::)
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Post by: Duuring on April 03, 2014, 08:26:44 am
I dare you to come to Waterloo 2015.
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Post by: Olafson on April 03, 2014, 12:39:49 pm
Oranje BOVEN!

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Post by: AeroNinja on April 03, 2014, 12:47:16 pm
I really would like to attend such a Reenact. Napoleonic era really interests me, and I really would like to see it in real life.

Are there reenactments like in the Netherlands or Belgium too?
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Post by: Vincenzo on April 03, 2014, 12:57:26 pm
Bourtange was in the Netherlands.

Beginning of May there is one in Hoogstraten, Belgium.
http://www.slagvanhoogstraten.be

I'm def going to visit as spectator.
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Post by: AeroNinja on April 03, 2014, 01:00:44 pm
Oh ok danku vincenzo!
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Post by: Duuring on April 03, 2014, 03:17:19 pm
Hoogstraten was going to be a great cavarly event (And an expensive one) but alas, my exams do not allow me to go to it.
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Post by: Vincenzo on April 03, 2014, 03:39:52 pm
That sucks, that's the biggest event in from NAN right?
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Post by: Duuring on April 03, 2014, 03:44:55 pm
As far as I know, the NAN has nothing to do with it.
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Post by: Vincenzo on April 03, 2014, 03:46:14 pm
AH I see, at least NAN is going in any case, 600+ reenactors right?
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Post by: Duuring on April 03, 2014, 03:51:51 pm
Well, groups from the NAN go. The NAN doesn't decide what events groups go to  :P
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Post by: joer5835 on April 03, 2014, 04:01:39 pm
Luckilky, I don't have any school after around april 20, allowing me to study a lot in advance. So maybe, just maybe I can attend Hoogstraten, but don't pin me down on it though....
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Post by: Vincenzo on April 03, 2014, 04:26:41 pm
I can't find anything about a waterloo reenactment this year? also i see no wavre this year? can anyone confirm this? is there a europe-wide schedule of events somewhere?
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Post by: Wolff on April 03, 2014, 04:27:49 pm
I think waterloo isn't planned for this year. They have to concentrate for next year
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Post by: joer5835 on April 03, 2014, 04:28:30 pm
There indeed is no Waterloo this year, in preparation for the 200 year anniversary next year.

As for Wavre, it's on my unit's schedule, and I heard nothing so far of it being cancelled.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on April 03, 2014, 04:44:58 pm
What is your unit's schedule Joer?
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Post by: Duuring on April 03, 2014, 04:48:47 pm
Waterloo 2015. I can't wait for it at one hand, and at the other I'm just shivering when I realize so much will go badly. The organization is just...bad. They are in it for the money and for 'NAPOLEONERRRRRRROMGGGG'. Even after two decades they still seem incapable to understand that re-enactors don't come to this to do them a favour.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on April 03, 2014, 04:50:07 pm
Really? explain? what happened before?

Also, is it true that there is a limit on how many reenactor can come to it?
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Post by: Duuring on April 03, 2014, 04:58:47 pm
4.000 in the field. So civilian roles not counted.

Of course, nothing is stopping you from bringing a few more members then you said you would. As long as you bring powder and rations for them. They won't check it and they won't care about it.
Space might be an issue, though it's always an issue there.

What has happened before? What hasn't, you mean. Two years ago they 'forgot' to give the cavalry a way out of the battlefield on Sunday, so they had to move the entire allied army to make way for the cavalry (going back the same way they had come). Water has been an issue, and what not. Last year they had buses to drive us part of the route, and there was no organisation whatsoever. It was just 'Re-enactors, here are the buses, good luck finding out who takes which and when.

Credit to the British officers there, who, like true gentlemen, made sure the women and children got on the buses first.
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Post by: joer5835 on April 03, 2014, 05:37:50 pm
What is your unit's schedule Joer?

April 12-13: Oostende (B)
May 2-4: Hoogstraten (B)
May 16-17: Maassluis (NL)
May 29-June 2: Bathmen (NL)
June 20-21: Vlaardingen (NL)
June 28-29: Hellevoetsluis (NL)
July 5-7: Wavre (B)
August 30-31: hulst (NL)

Plus a couple of one-day demonstrations and still undecided events. :P
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on April 03, 2014, 05:38:57 pm
Dat much events.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on April 03, 2014, 07:18:47 pm
That's quite a lot indeed.
The Dutch marines are everywhere!


My regiments schedule so far is;
Events 2014
11-12th April Ickworth House Bury-St-Edmunds.
17-18th April Sheffield Triples.
26-27th April Grand Historical and Vintage Bazaar, Rufford Abbey Country Park, Nottinghamshire.
24-25th May Hunton Court, Kent
29th May-1st June Montmirail France.
5-6th July Colchester Military Tournament.
24-25th August Cannon Hall, Barnsley.
5-9th November Malta (not confirmed)

Sadly i am not sure if I can make any UK events due to travel costs.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 03, 2014, 07:36:45 pm
Thats "alot" of event for you guys? pft.

Heres mine

Feb. 9th, 16th or 23rd - Drill at Trinity University, Deerfield

March 2 - Miller’s March, McKinley Woods, Channahon, IL (10am start)

April 11-13 - Sandwich School Day and Living History

April 26-27 - Battalion and Brigade Drill, Galena, IL

May 16-18 - 150th Battle of Resaca, GA
www.georgiadivision.org/bor_reenactment.html

May 25- Memorial Service, Oakwood Cemetery, Joliet, IL (100th anniversary)

May 26 - Memorial Day Parade, Itasca, IL

June 7-8 - Reenactment, Manhattan, IL (1st Illinois Battalion)*

June 14 - Living History, Du Sable Museum, Chicago, IL (optional)

June 21-22 - Living History, Fischer Farm, Bensenville, IL

July 4- Fourth of July Parades, Hinsdale and Downers Grove, IL

July 12-13 - Reenactment at Lakewood Forest Preserve, Wauconda, IL (1st Illinois Battalion)*

July 26 - Living History, Noble Crippen House, Chicago, IL

July 26-27? - Reenactment (Sweet’s Civil War encampment), Lombard, IL (optional)

August 16-17 - Reenactment at Blackberry Farm, Aurora, IL
www.foxvalleyparkdistrict.org

August 30- 31 - Living History, Graue Mill, Hinsdale, IL

September 27-28? - Reenactment, Danville, IL

October 4-5 - Skirmish & Living History, Cantigny, Winfield, IL (1st Illinois Battalion)*

October 18-19 - Reenactment, Dollinger Farm, Minooka, IL (1st Illinois Battalion)*

November 11 - Veteran’s Day Service, Wheaton, IL

December 6 - Christmas Party

December 13-14 - 150th Battle of Nashville, TN (optional)

I am also part of a Confederate unit who does many other events. Hehehehe.
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Post by: joer5835 on April 03, 2014, 07:40:02 pm
That's quite a lot indeed.
The Dutch marines are everywhere!

Haha, I'm looking forward to the Hellevoetsluis event in june. We are hosting it ourselves, it's gonna be mostly naval stuff plus I know the city like the back of my hand.

Half my family is living there though. And when I told my mom where I was going, she invited just about everyone I'm related too to come over as a spectator. Not sure what to think of that... :P
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 03, 2014, 07:42:07 pm
Having family and friends coming to see you reenact is probably one of my favorite thing to be honest.  You get to be coolest guy on the earth in their own eyes.

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Post by: joer5835 on April 03, 2014, 07:54:12 pm
I guess so, never had something like that before.
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Post by: Landrik on April 03, 2014, 08:29:37 pm
I've always got that many events... I just can't afford to go to them all.
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Post by: Ililsa on April 03, 2014, 09:05:02 pm
I'm supremely jealous of you guys and your year round events.

We rely mainly on private bookings for our stuff, and medieval warfare wasn't an all-year-round thing anyway.
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Post by: Duuring on April 03, 2014, 11:42:18 pm
There are just more ACW events. Americans are just more busy with their history I guess.  :(
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Post by: Olafson on April 03, 2014, 11:46:08 pm
Well in ACW you stay in the same country.. You don't have stupid language barriers between reenactment groups. I guess organization is easier that way. And you pretty much only have 2 countries. In Napolenic you have dozens of different countries that took part. As a group that reenacts russians you cant just take part in, for example, waterloo.

For ACW it might be alot easier because you know... Its North and South, Uniforms vary abit over the years, but that's about it.
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Post by: Duuring on April 03, 2014, 11:58:34 pm
Yeah it's easier. Though we get Swedish and Austrian groups at Waterloo as well  :P
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 04, 2014, 01:04:33 am
Actually events are far than any events in Europe. 

It will take me two full day of driving to get to Resaca, GA from Chicago, IL

Not even to mention Millander is flying to GA from Cali for Pickett Mill.

But the language barrier thing is understandable however I noticed most Europeans know than one language :P 
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Post by: Millander on April 04, 2014, 03:07:33 am
Speaking of PM I dont know if you remember Qman from the 21e (current 15e) Deo but he will be out there as on the Fed side. If we can I got to drop by and say hi.

 I do get where you folk are coming from regarding the countries and language barriers. In ACW you can get an easily uniformed battalion together easy. With NW its a rainbow. I know its unavoidable but it is something thats always turned me of about NW.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 04, 2014, 03:17:29 am
Actually its becoming likely that i will choose WW2 over ACW for that weekend. My unit is planning on doing sleeping in trench and tons of stuff instead of "returning to barrack for giggles"  and there's a USO Ball one of the night which I plan to take a lady friend out.  So all of that kinda weigh in for the WW2 instead of ACW. 
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Post by: Millander on April 04, 2014, 05:06:06 am
Sounds fresh man. btw you mentioned something regarding a belt to me that you were willing to sell?
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Post by: Landrik on April 04, 2014, 06:50:52 am
We all know every European whether they admit to it or not speak American.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 04, 2014, 06:52:32 am
Sounds fresh man. btw you mentioned something regarding a belt to me that you were willing to sell?


Ye just found it last sunday, Likely i will sell it for $20.   Its never used and shipping is included.  It is late now, i plan to hit the hay right now. Ill send the photos to your fb tmrw.
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Post by: Millander on April 04, 2014, 06:58:51 am
Fresh brah
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Post by: kpetschulat on April 04, 2014, 07:29:25 am
We all know every European whether they admit to it or not speak American.

Landrik, you 'tard...
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Post by: Duuring on April 04, 2014, 07:31:33 am
Sure Millander, you're right, but the thing is; If it's so easy, then why doesn't everybody indeed look the part? It's indeed easier to get an equally dressed unit but at the same timr, I see a lot of ACW groups that... Don't.
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Post by: Vincenzo on April 04, 2014, 10:30:22 am
We all know every European whether they admit to it or not speak American.
Not at all true,

During events people usually stick to their own language, because most Germans, French and so on don't speak more English than a few words.
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Post by: Olafson on April 04, 2014, 10:32:59 am
It is just so incredibly easy to get ACW equipment.

I think there are a hundred times more ACW reenactors than there are NW :P
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Post by: Duuring on April 04, 2014, 11:43:24 am
"Hmm I want to do another ACW impression"

*Go to site*
*Buy stuff*

"Done."

Napoleonic:
"Hmm I want to do another Nap impression"

*Research*
*More research*
*Get uniform designs*
*Make stuff yourself*
*Get an expensive tailor and explain exactly what you want*
*Order a bunch of different items at different sutlers, most of which do not have sites*
*Cry because you are already broke at this point*
*Wait three months on those specially cast buttons*
*Find out your uniform has the wrong braid for the period you want to do*
*Cry some more*
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Post by: Landrik on April 04, 2014, 12:19:45 pm
Landrik, you 'tard...

'Murica

Not at all true,

During events people usually stick to their own language, because most Germans, French and so on don't speak more English than a few words.

I know this. The Poles, Czechs, and Russians do this too... even if they're portraying Americans or English.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on April 04, 2014, 01:15:59 pm
It's actually pretty funny to sit at the local tavern and around you, people talk French, German, English and Dutch.
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Post by: zac on April 04, 2014, 01:26:14 pm
Here u walk into a local tavern, and you hear English, Asian, Arab,Asian, Arab,Asian, Spanish,Asian,Arab,Swedish (swedes love this place O.o ),Italian,English, Asian




hehe, no offence intended...or maybe there is ;)
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Post by: Duuring on April 04, 2014, 01:40:12 pm
Get a bigger population to counter it.
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Post by: AeroNinja on April 04, 2014, 01:41:40 pm
Are there shops too buy all these clothes and weapons or do you have to order it from a online store?
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Post by: Duuring on April 04, 2014, 01:48:15 pm
Depends on the period, but I know of no live shops where you can buy re-enactment stuff  :P
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Post by: AeroNinja on April 04, 2014, 01:53:40 pm
Depends on the period, but I know of no live shops where you can buy re-enactment stuff  :P
Oh nice wich ones? :D
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Post by: Olafson on April 04, 2014, 02:00:09 pm
Its easy to get Medieval (but look out, most of that stuff is larp bullshit) and ACW stuff. Everything else is rather hard to get. Maybe WW2 is abit easier aswell. I am not entirely sure. I never researched in that direction.
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Post by: zac on April 04, 2014, 02:04:44 pm
Ye, Napoleonic, and really anything 16th-19th century,must be basically hand made, or a hit and miss looking at sutlers
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Post by: Ililsa on April 04, 2014, 02:10:17 pm
Its easy to get Medieval (but look out, most of that stuff is larp bullshit) and ACW stuff. Everything else is rather hard to get. Maybe WW2 is abit easier aswell. I am not entirely sure. I never researched in that direction.
There's a trader I won't name that my group sometimes does events for, sad thing is they're increasingly stocking crap for gothic tat collectors.

Plenty of LARP stuff too but I've not got a real issue with that, it's not really hard to tell apart, especially with group advice to guide you.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 04, 2014, 04:35:59 pm
by far WW2 is the most cheapest hobby I ever did. Took me one year to complete my Federal kit and im halfway done with my Confederate (Need equipment, using Federals)  But as for WW2, I completed my kit in 2-3 month. I just bought a last piece  last week, a bayonet frog. That's it for equipment. Only one thing missing for me, K98.  I've spend around little bit over 600 on this kit. Unlike ACW is already worth over a thousand. XD


But I am sure Vietnam would be cheapest of all. 300 for whole kit.
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Post by: Vincenzo on April 04, 2014, 04:48:54 pm
So far spend on my kit is almost 1000 euro, i have at least another 1000 to go to get everything, and that does not include a tent.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 04, 2014, 04:51:37 pm
Well that sucks  ;)

I've been meaning to do napoleonic as well. Thinking about the 6e Legere. But the prices of everything and the gun itself seems kinda worthless to me since the event is like 20 guys.
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Post by: Vincenzo on April 04, 2014, 05:07:31 pm
That reminds me, another 460 euro for the gun + bayonet..

I guess its believable to go for 2000-3000 euro to do anything napoleonic TBH.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 04, 2014, 05:28:40 pm
460 Euros? Nice.... Its going to be 800 USD here not including ze Bayonet.
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Post by: joer5835 on April 04, 2014, 05:35:49 pm
Well this is nice to hear when you just started reenacting...
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Post by: Vincenzo on April 04, 2014, 05:48:48 pm
460 Euros? Nice.... Its going to be 800 USD here not including ze Bayonet.
http://www.armae.com/Zenglish/napoleonic/napoleonic_empire_frame.htm

under muskets.

Note this is the type that need drilling to make it a firearm, and then obviously you need a gun licence.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 04, 2014, 05:56:47 pm
460 Euros? Nice.... Its going to be 800 USD here not including ze Bayonet.
http://www.armae.com/Zenglish/napoleonic/napoleonic_empire_frame.htm

under muskets.

Note this is the type that need drilling to make it a firearm, and then obviously you need a gun licence.



Dibs on Blunderbluss.  ;D

My 1861 Springfield here came with late war scabbard and original bayonet and leather sling as well. Got it for $650.  Unfortunately probably the last thing i'd spend over 400. Mum skinned me alive for that one. But good deal anyway, could get new one for 800 plus bayonet that is 50-70.

edit: oh by the way 'MURICA!  Didnt need any paperwork, just went on fb and bought it. He mailed it in a big box, and i took it home.
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Post by: joer5835 on April 04, 2014, 05:57:32 pm
460 Euros? Nice.... Its going to be 800 USD here not including ze Bayonet.
http://www.armae.com/Zenglish/napoleonic/napoleonic_empire_frame.htm

under muskets.

Note this is the type that need drilling to make it a firearm, and then obviously you need a gun licence.

How much does the drilling cost?
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Post by: Vincenzo on April 04, 2014, 06:06:26 pm
How much does the drilling cost?
However much you costs per hour and if you have a metal drill bit for your drill.

The place is already pre-drilled with the right size, its a 2 minute job.
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Post by: joer5835 on April 04, 2014, 06:08:36 pm
Oh you can do it yourself :P

I thought you needed to go to a gunsmith.
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Post by: Duuring on April 04, 2014, 06:12:19 pm
You can do it yourself, yeah, but this is a job you want done proper, I think.
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Post by: joer5835 on April 04, 2014, 06:14:03 pm
Yeah, it's definitely something I wouldn't try....not now...not ever. I'm extremely clumpsy when it comes to drilling and hammering nails. Probably best to not even try barrels. :P
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Post by: Vincenzo on April 04, 2014, 06:26:00 pm
I will probably let it get done too although I have two right hands...

Can't be too expensive in either case.
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Post by: joer5835 on April 04, 2014, 06:43:41 pm
It does seem relatively 'cheap'. I saw sites selling Charlevilles for €1300,-. All fire ready ofc, no need to drill them, but still.
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Post by: Vincenzo on April 04, 2014, 06:45:21 pm
It's because import, distribution and production taxes and laws are difirent for firearms then any other product,

When its undrilled it is not a firearm so it can be seen as a deco piece exempting it from tax problems and other import problems.
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Post by: joer5835 on April 04, 2014, 06:49:05 pm
That's definitely something I must look into when I get my own musket. Just 5 months till i turn 18 and be able to get a firing license.

I had this akward conversation not long ago at school:

Person #1: So what is the first thing you guys gonna do when you turn 18?
Person #2: Go to the csino
Person #3: Get my driver's license
Person #4: Take a week off to Spain
Me: Getting a firing license....
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Ililsa on April 04, 2014, 06:58:40 pm
I drank. A lot.
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Post by: Olafson on April 04, 2014, 09:24:31 pm
Armae has really nice quality though, and it is rather cheap compared to most other stores. I have seen some of their swords and they did look really nice.
I do not think that the drilling the hole thing is too much trouble, it should be done in less than a minute with the proper tools, Shouldn't cost more than 10 euros if you do not want to drill it yourself.

In other news, my parents gifted me this thing:

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It is supposed to be a realistic "Pirate Flintlock Pistol" from the 1800s. (It is obviously a replica with an Iron Flintstone) It is so horrible... Without all that engravings it might actually be good, but this is just ridiculous.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 04, 2014, 10:08:04 pm
I drank. A lot.


Atta boy! Have a pint on me
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Ililsa on April 04, 2014, 10:37:16 pm
I still find it weird as hell that if I were to go to the US I wouldn't be able to drink.

Until summer, anyway.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on April 05, 2014, 12:20:40 am
Armae has really nice quality though, and it is rather cheap compared to most other stores. I have seen some of their swords and they did look really nice.
I do not think that the drilling the hole thing is too much trouble, it should be done in less than a minute with the proper tools, Shouldn't cost more than 10 euros if you do not want to drill it yourself.

In other news, my parents gifted me this thing:

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It is supposed to be a realistic "Pirate Flintlock Pistol" from the 1800s. (It is obviously a replica with an Iron Flintstone) It is so horrible... Without all that engravings it might actually be good, but this is just ridiculous.
It's not very realistic, but then again its a cool thing to put on the wall I suppose.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 05, 2014, 01:06:25 am
I still find it weird as hell that if I were to go to the US I wouldn't be able to drink.

Until summer, anyway.


Sometime when I walk by crates of beer. I said to myself. "18 years old. They say I'm a adult now. But in Germany a 16 years old is drunk again." Then I shed a freedom tear.
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Post by: Duuring on April 05, 2014, 01:09:13 am
I'll never understand the 21 age limit. How did it even come to be?
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Post by: Olafson on April 05, 2014, 01:14:59 am
The burden of Freedom is a heavy one to carry. (C) 2014 spAce sAmurAi!111
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Post by: Vincenzo on April 05, 2014, 01:21:19 am
They raised the alcohol limit from 16 to 18 in the Netherlands recently I think?
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Post by: Olafson on April 05, 2014, 02:05:49 am
That is still not close to 21.
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Post by: zac on April 05, 2014, 03:48:19 am
'STRAYA
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 05, 2014, 04:32:02 am
Ok I'll tell you why it's 21

Age was 21 until FDR be like. Lower it to 18!! Then until 1980, drunk driving fatalies were high and group of whining cold hearted old women against drunk driving started to lobby and push congress around. Age went back to 21 and research said since that law happened death went down by 60%. (Fucking teenagers in 80's. fuck them)

However. Underage can drink under parent/guardian observation :D

There you go. That's the most important history fact for every Americans out there.

Fuck military, fack industry, feck Music, Fook gender history. It's all about food and drink history. The most important history of all. Thank you

- Professor Deo (MA in food history and Ph.D in Beer history, also enjoy long walk on beach).
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Post by: joer5835 on April 05, 2014, 10:39:23 am
Can have guns at 12, can't drink till 21.

'MURICA
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Post by: Duuring on April 05, 2014, 12:10:15 pm
Can have guns at 12, can't drink till 21.

'MURICA

+1
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Post by: Barnesy on April 05, 2014, 01:34:01 pm
Can have guns at 12, can't drink till 21.

'MURICA
Haha!
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 05, 2014, 05:01:12 pm
Actually 18. Silly kids. We don't hand them out to puberty ravaged kids who are horny for carrot and pea.
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Post by: Duuring on April 05, 2014, 05:25:02 pm
I distinctly remember reading about gun shops in Tennessee having a special kids-corner with brightly colored guns. And I'm not even kidding.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 05, 2014, 05:30:00 pm
Air soft most likely. Or they're for ladies.
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Post by: Duuring on April 05, 2014, 05:50:04 pm
No no. Definitaly real guns.
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Post by: Newkirk on April 05, 2014, 06:06:04 pm
Oh lord yeah. Gun shops down here sell miniature shotguns, rifles, etc. Mostly hunting gear but it's intended for young teenagers or earlier. So their daddys can take em hunting and stuff. My dad would have probably done that for me, but he became a preacher instead and stopped using pretty much all his guns.
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Post by: Duuring on April 05, 2014, 06:36:01 pm
See! I knew it!

Also, preacher? Preacher. Okay. Preacher.
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Post by: Newkirk on April 05, 2014, 07:02:18 pm
Yeah, preacher, pastor, minister, reverend, etc. etc.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 05, 2014, 07:23:14 pm
In that case, good. Keep it up. The world belong to America. Training out kids from baby step to anschluss lord.
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Post by: joer5835 on April 06, 2014, 02:56:51 pm
Righty, I got this little thing. I own a sabre briquet, it's nice and looks beautifull on my wall. Yes, that's right, I bought as a decorative piece, an expensive decoration that is. But here's the thing, I'm wondering if I should use it in reenactments. Looking at other people's stuff, I'm just afraid my baby get's all beaten up and dirty....
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Post by: Vincenzo on April 06, 2014, 06:03:36 pm
So buy a reenactment replica for 30 euro.
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Post by: Ililsa on April 06, 2014, 07:36:37 pm
Yeah, a re-enactment replica would probably be safer and you could batter it about more.

Take care of it though, keep your fingers off the blade as much as you can, and after using it, make sure it's clean and dry and then squirt some WD40 onto a sponge or cloth and clean it with that.

Edit: Also don't stick it in the ground. Worst type of blade abuse you'll see.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 06, 2014, 09:07:34 pm
Don't forget to scalp farbs with it as well. Do your duty well.
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Post by: Vincenzo on April 06, 2014, 09:44:20 pm
Don't forget to scalp farbs with it as well. Do your duty well.

And I want my scalps!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGEQysrKX3E
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 07, 2014, 02:29:48 am
What every reenactor does, explained in a simple gif.

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Post by: kpetschulat on April 07, 2014, 01:19:56 pm
What every reenactor does, explained in a simple gif.

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I've thrown out $1,800. I'm so rich broke... :'(
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Post by: zac on April 07, 2014, 01:27:42 pm
only $1,800 ...i wont even bother putting mine here xD
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Post by: Duuring on April 07, 2014, 01:46:52 pm
That's what you get, Petschie, for portraying da evilz pps.
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Post by: kpetschulat on April 07, 2014, 01:58:03 pm
I r evul persun? :'(
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Post by: zac on April 07, 2014, 02:02:38 pm
BAD PERSUN VEWY EVUL PERSON , POLAND STRONK!!!!!!
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Post by: kpetschulat on April 07, 2014, 02:14:06 pm
Bosnia i Hercogovina stronk!
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Post by: Mortem on April 07, 2014, 02:15:43 pm
BAD PERSUN VEWY EVUL PERSON , POLAND STRONK!!!!!!
Guten Tag, Poland.
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Post by: Duuring on April 07, 2014, 02:25:51 pm
Jah, das 2. SS. of Sehr evil.

No, seriously though. The 2. SS doesn't exactly have a...clear record. How does your group handle that history?
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Post by: kpetschulat on April 07, 2014, 02:36:47 pm
I'm not sure, I guess by being the best SS reenacting group in the USA...
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Post by: Duuring on April 07, 2014, 02:49:59 pm
That's not what I meant. There's a whole lot of elitism amongst SS groups, I know. Not always founded, by the way. Mostly considering foreign volunteers.

A very unfortunate result of that elitism amongst re-enactors is that they simply do not tell the entire story. They'll simply not mention the warcrimes their unit committed or find excuses. That's not just a problem with the SS re-enactors by the way. Soviet re-enactors tend to have that problem as well. I'm in no way trying to critize your impression but I am kinda wondering what you'll do when a spectator asks you if your unit did 'anything bad during WW2'.
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Post by: Vincenzo on April 07, 2014, 03:03:17 pm
Just bring me kpetschulat his scalp!
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 07, 2014, 04:19:35 pm
How to be SS'er in USA.  Dont talk about it. Avoid Pubs. Scold at Heers.
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Post by: kpetschulat on April 07, 2014, 07:34:21 pm
That's not what I meant. There's a whole lot of elitism amongst SS groups, I know. Not always founded, by the way. Mostly considering foreign volunteers.

A very unfortunate result of that elitism amongst re-enactors is that they simply do not tell the entire story. They'll simply not mention the warcrimes their unit committed or find excuses. That's not just a problem with the SS re-enactors by the way. Soviet re-enactors tend to have that problem as well. I'm in no way trying to critize your impression but I am kinda wondering what you'll do when a spectator asks you if your unit did 'anything bad during WW2'.

I can't say for sure, all I know is that my unit (historically) was more focused on killing invading Allies in Normandy than killing Jews in Central Europe... Idk what else to say, really. Before you guys begin to criticize me for my choice of impression, understand it was the only local group that's been active near NJ. I didn't want to do SS, I wanted to do LW-Fjr, but couldn't find one. Then, I searched for a WH unit, couldn't find one either that wasn't full of Fatty McFatFats, which is ironic coming from me, but I'm working hard to lose weight. I didn't want to be another fatty in a unit full of fat old men who can barely run five feet without almost dieing of exhaustion. Another thing that really stuck out about the group I joined is their extreme commitment to authenticity. This group is very hardcore, and I was surprised they even let me in given my current weight. But, something sparked and they really wanted me, which is fine by me. At least I have the courtesy to lose weight and not take advantage of this opportunity.

Just bring me kpetschulat his scalp!

I swear Vince, I'm going to cut you asshole out, hickory smoke it, then serve it to you in a nice porcelain cup on top of a strawberry souffle.
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Post by: Vincenzo on April 07, 2014, 08:14:05 pm
 :o
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Post by: joer5835 on April 07, 2014, 08:29:52 pm
Boy, that escalated quickly...
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Post by: Millander on April 07, 2014, 08:31:42 pm
Luckily the 20th Maine was not involved in any racial war crimes or massacres of civilians. They did beat up some black cavalry while raiding a sutler right after Lee's surrender though.

 The event im doing this weekend will be the first time im falling in with the new progressive group im apart of. It will be my first event of eating only period food. Should be pretty hardy.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 07, 2014, 08:41:12 pm
In all seriousness, the SS unit can be super friendly in the community, a mid-west SS unit based near me. These guys are incredibly friendly and helpful when first started the hobby. Some of the members are currently in or has served the Military. They just honored one of their member at a event for receiving Distinguished Service Medal for saving several lives in Afghanistan. They also welcomed me to the community instantly and great sense of humor. I don't mind these guys at all and their dedication to host events that are biased for Reenactors not spectator won my respect for them.

Morally i wouldnt reenact SS but I wouldnt piss on them because honestly they can be either increibly nice guys or neo nazis such as the SS group in Minnesota, I am sure you guys heard of it, a nazi theme party in german restaurant sparked some hot water in the community about wearing uniform out of the event. Their commander and event host apparently seems to have neo nazi base since he has SS tats and his clothing bear the totenkopf and swastika. (Not on reenacting uniform, im speaking of a classic torn denim vest). Those guys i would totally avoid 100%

So SS for me, are complicated, theyre reenacting war criminal yes, but should i be a total dick to a group of guys who actually are nice to me? So confusing since i'm raised to treat everyone as the way i want to be treated. So I deal with the SS by simply digging around them and getting to know them before to judge.

Now Kpet's unit, I have seen them on FB, definately great group of guys. Authenticity 10/10.  As long they aint neo-nazi scumbag, its fine with me.
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Post by: Landrik on April 07, 2014, 10:29:13 pm
BAD PERSUN VEWY EVUL PERSON , POLAND STRONK!!!!!!
Guten Tag, Poland Silesia.
I agree with Deo on the stance of SS reenactors in the US. Most are nearly filled with or are heavily influenced by current or prior military members or they're the dirt bags no one invites to events... which is a minority.

The SS groups I've had the most experience with in the Mid-atlantic area have been good all around fellas but we always do have that Heer vs SS stuff. Then we both make fun of "Falschies" or "Farbschirmjägers".

Best thing I've heard was "I ain't no fucking Heer infantry, bro. I need my halftrack."
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Post by: Duuring on April 07, 2014, 10:38:42 pm
Don't get me wrong guys. I don't have problems with people re-enacting SS. I have problems with people re-enacting SS and telling their own version of the story. I happen to know that the 2. SS was involved for at least two mass murders concerning French civilians and, with all due respect Petschie, I think you should be aware of the ups and downs of your impression. I'm no expert on these guys, but it's something that I came across and I started wondering how aware your group is.

It's not just SS or WW2, by the way. I have a distinct dislike for people who change historical stories to their own liking. It gets extra 'painful' when it's such a recent war as World war 2. Like it or not, the German SS divisions were by and large Nazis and many of their formations have been found guilty of war crimes. We must remember that we re-enact history, not a certain version of it.

As for my regiment - I think we charged a couple of Belgian rebels in 1830, but they started shooting, so it's fair  :P. I intend to do a Soviet impression once, and maybe even an Osttruppen, and I've promised myself to be completely honest to myself what these men did and what motives they had.
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Post by: kpetschulat on April 07, 2014, 10:44:19 pm
I happen to know that the 2. SS was involved for at least two mass murders concerning French civilians and, with all due respect Petschie, I think you should be aware of the ups and downs of your impression.

First of all Duuring, not every regiment in the 2.SS-Division were killing Jews. I didn't say that my unit, the 3.SS-PzGrenReg weren't committing crimes, I said they were not killing Jews. The 3.SS-PzGrenReg was responsible for a civilian slaughter in France, I know. I don't deny the shortcomings of my units history. SS reenacting is obviously very sensitive because of the labeling of mass murderers, but you need to keep in mind that we're 70+ years after WWII. I did see there was a legitimate SS reenacting group that are composed of actual American Neo-Nazis, but I doubt they're ever invited to anything due to their affiliation with the National Socialist movement.
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Post by: Duuring on April 07, 2014, 10:47:04 pm
We might be 70 years after the period, but I fail to see how that changes anything. But you are aware, that's all I wanted to know and I hope you aren't pissed at me  :P
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 07, 2014, 10:47:32 pm
Commie scumbag. jk jk

In honesty, I have been to 3 WW2 event so far. There is no interaction with pubs. They just look at us and go "wow" "Foxhole" "Nazis" But none came up with question.

Just my experience, In ACW pubs are like 50% of our hobby lifestyle. Nothing top the good feeling when you have a family coming up to you. Brighting a 10 years old's face when you let him hold your springfield. Explaining them how do we load the rifle and having a discussion about uniforms. Ahhhhh yes. Historian paradise.

Just havent experienced that in WW2 yet. We will see this June when the weather is warmer, that means more pubs and we will be doing entrenchment, that will surely pull the pubs toward to us. I'll let you know what the interaction will be like by then.
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Post by: Duuring on April 07, 2014, 10:48:42 pm
Well... If you want reactions, I invite you to wear an SS uniform in a country that was actually IN world war 2  :P
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 07, 2014, 10:51:49 pm
Well... If you want reactions, I invite you to wear an SS uniform in a country that was actually IN world war 2  :P


I wouldnt even do it in a heartbeat. Simply because out of respect for my Großmutter who suffered postwar Germany and absolutely hated the SS with passion.
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Post by: Mortem on April 07, 2014, 10:52:36 pm
Well... If you want reactions, I invite you to wear an SS uniform in a country that was actually IN world war 2  :P
come to germany and wear a ss uniform would be very funny for you ._.

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Post by: Duuring on April 07, 2014, 10:56:31 pm
Well... If you want reactions, I invite you to wear an SS uniform in a country that was actually IN world war 2  :P
come to germany and wear a ss uniform would be very funny for you ._.

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That look on his face...Did he just climb up that horse for the photo?
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Post by: Mortem on April 07, 2014, 10:59:50 pm
dunno xD
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Post by: Vincenzo on April 07, 2014, 11:04:03 pm
Despite my love for reenactment if I see anyone walking on the street wearing a SS uniform ill punch him no questions asked.

But that's perhaps influenced by my family history.
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Post by: kpetschulat on April 07, 2014, 11:10:44 pm
Vince, when I move back to the Glorious Fatherland in a few years (provided I have enough money to go and sustain some life there), I'm going to find you and give you a hug in a SS uniform. Then, I'll be arrested by the Polizei for wearing an outlawed symbol on my tunic, but it would have been worth it.
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Post by: Vincenzo on April 07, 2014, 11:11:29 pm
I doubt that there will be any hugs  :P
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Post by: Duuring on April 07, 2014, 11:12:15 pm
Before the Polizei catches you, you will have been beaten up at least three times
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Post by: kpetschulat on April 07, 2014, 11:14:22 pm
I will give you that hug, Vince. I swear it on me Mum! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz-UvQYAmbg)
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 07, 2014, 11:21:28 pm
Do it in 4th SS and arrest the Polizei.
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Post by: Duuring on April 08, 2014, 12:14:53 am
Sooooo today I reached the 100-names-goal in my Excel file with all the names of the men in the 6th Hussars that fought in the Waterloo campaign. Shit is confusing, but shit is interesting. The regiment had 640 men at Waterloo, so I'm in for a whooole lot more work.
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Post by: kpetschulat on April 08, 2014, 12:21:10 am
What is the purpose of that? To just compile the list of names of all the guys in the regiment? Good fucking luck. :P
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Post by: Duuring on April 08, 2014, 12:52:41 am
Yep. And to get some insight on (number of) veterans and actual numbers of NCO's.

It's not all the names: only of those who got the '1815 France' written under the campaign tab. The regiment had around 640 men, so it's do-able.
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Post by: Landrik on April 08, 2014, 12:54:29 am
...if I see anyone walking on the street wearing a SS uniform ill punch him no questions asked.

That's 2edgy

Will you do it for NKVD, Finnish Continuation War guys, Japanese impressions, Free French Army, or American bomber pilots?

No. You won't do anything.
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Post by: kpetschulat on April 08, 2014, 12:55:52 am
...if I see anyone walking on the street wearing a SS uniform ill punch him no questions asked.

That's 2edgy

Will you do it for NKVD, Finnish Continuation War guys, Japanese impressions, or American bomber pilots?

No. You won't do anything.

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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 08, 2014, 12:58:31 am
Shot Firrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrred!  :o
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Post by: Vincenzo on April 08, 2014, 12:59:27 am
last thing I will say about this discussion and then i would request we move on from the SS bullshit.


...if I see anyone walking on the street wearing a SS uniform ill punch him no questions asked.

That's 2edgy

Will you do it for NKVD, Finnish Continuation War guys, Japanese impressions, Free French Army, or American bomber pilots?

No. You won't do anything.
Perhaps they were not responsible for murdering half of my family back then?
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Post by: Landrik on April 08, 2014, 01:02:52 am
Sorry to hear about your family. It's damn hard to find an innocent country in WWII. Each had their fair share of killing prisoners, civilians, or putting people through hell. Putting it exclusively on the SS is a bit hypocritical.
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Post by: Duuring on April 08, 2014, 01:08:43 am
Those damn American bomber pilots. With their jackets, and sunglasses...And bombs!

*spits*

Seriously though, there there guys. No need to get personal. This is exaclty why I wasn't sure to bring this up xD

Muricans, we respect your choice of impression and we believe you when you say you understand the 'weight' you carry with that uniform.

Howevvvveerrrrrr, you have to understand that my country (which happens to be that of Vince as well) has a pretty big WW2 trauma. The SS and their insignia are pretty much the symbol of pure evil in our eyes. You don't have to agree with it, just try to understand and we'll all live happily ever after, ja?
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Post by: Landrik on April 08, 2014, 01:19:10 am
It's not personal for me. I had no family who saw the enemy's eyes in combat. Closest thing to that was a granduncle who served occupation duty in Japan with the 1st Cav in 1945-46. So yeah, not close at all.

I won't deny the USA did absolutely really mess up stuff during the war, most notably the bombing campaigns which includes the absolute destruction of Dresden. Other things were the unwarranted murders of German POWs which were very common leading to the end of the war and after Germany officially surrendered. I think they show a bit of this in "Band of Brothers" if anyone's seen that.

But could you imagine if we killed hundreds of thousands of Afghan civilians in bombing campaigns? We drop a few missiles on them now and people are flipping the hell out.

EDIT: If you really want the war crimes topic dropped I'd happily take it to PMs for anyone who wants to talk it out like men.
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Post by: zac on April 08, 2014, 01:24:57 am
Oi, all Dutch and yanks, shhhh geez

i had family on both fronts, Japan is viewed far more worse than the waffen ss over here, to all accounts from vets, the ss units we faced were honourable hehe.  'straya

follow what landrik suggests
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Post by: Newkirk on April 08, 2014, 02:51:36 am
Nothing related to the current conversation, but I just got to interview the colonel of the 26th North Carolina for a school project. I've never talked to anyone who could say so much about the civil war in such a short amount of time, it was really an awesome experience.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 08, 2014, 02:54:43 am
You member of 26th NC?
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Post by: Newkirk on April 08, 2014, 03:03:09 am
Not yet, but as soon as I can get some money built up for the kit and graduate high school, (2 months), I will be.
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Post by: Millander on April 08, 2014, 03:43:05 am
Are they the guys with that snazzy website and trailer?
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Post by: Newkirk on April 08, 2014, 03:45:19 am
Looks pretty snazzy to me. (http://26nc.org/index.html)
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 08, 2014, 03:56:58 am
Definately snazzy and I loved the trailer.  I truly enjoy videos from the members in 26th NC.
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Post by: Millander on April 08, 2014, 04:25:43 am
I would so want to reenact Garde Voltigeurs

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.private-prague-guide.com%2Fwp-content%2Fprague-slavkov-austerlitz-moravia3.jpg&hash=9260d93ef1b9a6312fea4ba4252812d562b5165d)
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Post by: Captain America on April 08, 2014, 09:34:17 am
Our group completely bans SS or soldiers wearing peadot without several documented cases of their unit wearing it. They're ok with me putting together an NKVD impression though, but as far as I can tell they've had a problem with neo nazis in the past and wanted to guard against it completely
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Post by: Ililsa on April 08, 2014, 10:11:59 am
Like so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiLVAz-Jczg
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Post by: Landrik on April 08, 2014, 10:13:28 am
Yeah, it depends on which SS Division you are for widespread Peadot '44 camo to be worn. #1 I've seen is 12.SS and they also have huge stocks of Italian camouflage including those snazzy jumpsuits. I was helping Festung Europa with their uniforms so I went balls to the wall scraping together as many Normandy and Operation Cobra photos I could that show Germans and what they wore.

I'd love to do Napoleonic French, but it's not something you can really jump into without large sums of cash laying about to get a tailored uniform and whatnots.

@Ililsa: I love that video, haha.
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Post by: Duuring on April 08, 2014, 11:25:10 am
I would so want to reenact Garde Voltigeurs

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.private-prague-guide.com%2Fwp-content%2Fprague-slavkov-austerlitz-moravia3.jpg&hash=9260d93ef1b9a6312fea4ba4252812d562b5165d)

Bleh! As soon as the Tirailleurs-Chasseurs were renamed Voltiguers, they started sucking. Sucking hard.
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Post by: Vincenzo on April 08, 2014, 11:26:34 am
Why?
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Post by: Duuring on April 08, 2014, 11:30:41 am
Okay, I'll be fair, they were renamed in 1810 and they didn't start sucking until after 1812. In 1813 and 1814, Young guard regiments were nothing but inexperienced recruits who were drawn into the army by the offer of guard status. In Russia, there were six Tirailleur and six Voltigeur regiments - In 1814 there were 19 of both, plus depot.

They weren't necessary awful soldiers, but their guard status was definitely undeserved.
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Post by: Mr T on April 08, 2014, 11:31:39 am
Recent pretty big Bicentenary in France at Reims

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIJAzzR3nbA[/youtube]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHBmEa3hwH8[/youtube]

Battlefield seems far too small considering the amount of cavalry and infantry....

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqE_Z5KOHyk&feature=share[/youtube]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w10cftWEfJc[/youtube]

Dem columns though...
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Post by: Duuring on April 08, 2014, 11:32:55 am
What's it with the French and either enormous battlefields, or ridiculously small ones.

That band is really everywhere, isn't it?
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Post by: kpetschulat on April 08, 2014, 01:54:10 pm
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-cx5AadXIro[/youtube]

This is awesome. I liked how they took loads of hits when those Federals volleyed at them @ 1:36. That was righteous.
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Post by: Olafson on April 08, 2014, 02:31:40 pm
Wow.. That battlefield is ridiculously small. The horses really cant go anywhere.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 08, 2014, 04:19:47 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t2lrH9UnCQ

Another epic video
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Post by: Millander on April 08, 2014, 05:18:50 pm
Okay, I'll be fair, they were renamed in 1810 and they didn't start sucking until after 1812. In 1813 and 1814, Young guard regiments were nothing but inexperienced recruits who were drawn into the army by the offer of guard status. In Russia, there were six Tirailleur and six Voltigeur regiments - In 1814 there were 19 of both, plus depot.

They weren't necessary awful soldiers, but their guard status was definitely undeserved.

Thats one of thethings I find interesting about the Voltigeurs. For example the 15e was raised in January 1814. They called themselves a regiment but I doubt they ever reached above battalion strength.
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Post by: Duuring on April 08, 2014, 06:28:21 pm
It did. I checked their matricule, or roll call. Their enlistment starts on 14 February 1814 and they are on full strength 5 days later - 2028 men in total. Drummers are enlisted on the 26th of February.
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Post by: Millander on April 08, 2014, 07:45:04 pm
Interesting. My research showed they fielded 216 officers and men at the Battle of Paris which was only a month after they saw their first action. Records also show only 9 officers became casualties in which one died in their whole service. There commander as well as a Major Joseph Leclerc.

 Could I have a link to your source? Unless they had a completely ungodly desertion rate or were completely decimated it doesent make much sence why they would be fielding nearly 2,000 less men 1 month into their service and were being commanded by a Major.
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Post by: Duuring on April 08, 2014, 08:02:26 pm
While the regiment's strength obviously drains at an alarming speed throughout March due to desertion, maybe it was simply the depot troops that defended Paris and the rest of the 15e was with Napoleons army that never reached the city. But I can't give you a real answer until I've read more. All I know is that desertion was hiiiiiiiiiiiigh. So anything is possible.

How good is your French?

http://www.memoiredeshommes.sga.defense.gouv.fr/fr/arkotheque/inventaires/ead_ir_consult.php?fam=10&ref=22&le_id=8

'En arriere' means as much as 'to the rear' or 'left behind'. Men simply fell behind during the march and were gone. Not sure what makes them different from ordinary deserters - Gone is gone.
Go to page 200 and you'll find Francais Louis Fepou, 2nd batallion, 3rd company, who died at Loan.
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Post by: Millander on April 08, 2014, 08:14:17 pm
Depot troops  could make sense. Sadly my researched is hampered by not being able to speak French. But thanks for the link to that book. I would fucking kill to be able to understand what it says...
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Post by: Vincenzo on April 08, 2014, 08:15:21 pm
Google translate?
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Post by: Duuring on April 08, 2014, 08:17:43 pm
I don't think it google translate scanned pages, Vince  ;)

I'll have a look at it when I can. Probably take one company from each of the three batallions and quickly find out when they left the regiment.
One thing I find strange is that it had three battalions - I always thought Guard troops always had only two. #TheMoreYouKnow
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Post by: Millander on April 08, 2014, 08:20:39 pm
Intiresting. Im currently taking french 1 so im only picking up a couple words. My primary focus is on the 3rd company 2nd battalion.
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Post by: Duuring on April 08, 2014, 08:23:03 pm
Guess I'll do that.
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Post by: Vincenzo on April 08, 2014, 09:14:09 pm
Duuring the FSE researcher.  :D
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Post by: joer5835 on April 08, 2014, 09:16:40 pm
One can never know too much.
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Post by: Barnesy on April 08, 2014, 09:22:09 pm
Recent pretty big Bicentenary in France at Reims

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIJAzzR3nbA[/youtube]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHBmEa3hwH8[/youtube]

Battlefield seems far too small considering the amount of cavalry and infantry....

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqE_Z5KOHyk&feature=share[/youtube]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w10cftWEfJc[/youtube]

Dem columns though...

Jesus wept that battlefield is way too small for cavalry!
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Post by: Mr T on April 08, 2014, 09:43:12 pm
Whitened my giberne belt today for the first time, gonna polish my shako brass on Thursday in prep for the first event of season this weekend! :D
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Post by: Duuring on April 08, 2014, 09:53:50 pm
Duuring the FSE researcher.  :D

You bet!

15e Voltiguers, 2nd Bat, 2rd company.
1 Sergeant-major
4 Sergeants
1 Fourrier
7 Corporals (There's an eight mentioned but he apparently didn't make it to the regiment)
151 Privates
2 drummers

Of the 164 men that were gathered around the 16th and 19th of February, by the end of March, 24 were left, 10 of which NCO's. 95 men fell behind, 9 deserted, 17 went to Paris (depot or hospitel) and 3 to Rheims.
At Laon (9-10 May) they lost 3 KIA, 12 wounded, and 11 missing. A further 8, some of the men fallen behind and even one deserted, died in hospitals.

This research was done rather quickly, so I probably did a miscount one or two times, but I think it's pretty cool. Or, as Millander would say; Neat.
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Post by: Walko on April 08, 2014, 10:02:30 pm
Duuring... Have anything on I. kompanie, I. battalion of the forth Silesian landwehr?  ;D
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Post by: Duuring on April 08, 2014, 10:04:38 pm
I only have French and Dutch records. Try Berlin.

That, if they didn't get bombed in WW2.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 08, 2014, 10:10:11 pm
Duuring the FSE researcher.  :D

You bet!

15e Voltiguers, 2nd Bat, 2rd company.
1 Sergeant-major
4 Sergeants
1 Fourrier
7 Corporals (There's an eight mentioned but he apparently didn't make it to the regiment)
151 Privates
2 drummers

Of the 164 men that were gathered around the 16th and 19th of February, by the end of March, 24 were left, 10 of which NCO's. 95 men fell behind, 9 deserted, 17 went to Paris (depot or hospitel) and 3 to Rheims.
At Laon (9-10 May) they lost 3 KIA, 12 wounded, and 11 missing. A further 8, some of the men fallen behind and even one deserted, died in hospitals.

This research was done rather quickly, so I probably did a miscount one or two times, but I think it's pretty cool. Or, as Millander would say; Neat. Rad.
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Post by: Vincenzo on April 08, 2014, 10:18:06 pm
Wow, they had 24 left to fight when they started with 164 men? what the actual f*ck.

Good news they finished my shako (still needs all the decorations)
Spoiler
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Post by: Duuring on April 08, 2014, 10:51:51 pm
24 able men. Officially only 9 men deserted, and then 95 men went missing. And 20 stayed or went to the depot. So technicly, it 'only' lost 2 KIA, 12 wounded, 9 deserters and 95 Missing, for a total of 118 men.

What remained of the company was received a discharge in the months after the peace.
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Post by: Barnesy on April 08, 2014, 11:06:39 pm
Whitened my giberne belt today for the first time, gonna polish my shako brass on Thursday in prep for the first event of season this weekend! :D

spent 2 hours cleaning my babies earlier ready to shoot you ;) (unless one of them is used in which case I'll be shooting my own)
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Post by: UhtredskaerAlsoMilky on April 09, 2014, 01:53:50 am
Looking forward to Ickworth house on Friday, although I'm arriving about 5 hours before everyone else...

Well, looking like a pleasant morning of firewood collecting and debating the life choices that led me pretend to be a French Napoleonic infantryman
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Post by: Barnesy on April 09, 2014, 02:02:05 am
Looking forward to Ickworth house on Friday, although I'm arriving about 5 hours before everyone else...

Well, looking like a pleasant morning of firewood collecting and debating the life choices that led me pretend to be a French Napoleonic infantryman
See you there! I shall be arriving around 4.30pm to set up and then going about 6.45 to coach swimming and then back later on! It's a great event, run by my unit, looks like a few of us from this forum will be there!
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Post by: UhtredskaerAlsoMilky on April 09, 2014, 02:24:55 am
I only recently started up with the 21e, a similar time to Mr.T although he's he's but it with a bit more tenacity than I have. Unfortunately the only time I can get there is 8am on the Friday. Will be nice to meet people really, see you there man!
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Post by: GodsonGuys on April 09, 2014, 09:59:06 am
nevermind...
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Post by: Duuring on April 09, 2014, 11:19:26 am
I don't get it...
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Post by: Barnesy on April 09, 2014, 04:35:18 pm
I only recently started up with the 21e, a similar time to Mr.T although he's he's but it with a bit more tenacity than I have. Unfortunately the only time I can get there is 8am on the Friday. Will be nice to meet people really, see you there man!
Thats gonna be a long old day for you then, I know in our Warning Order it said we have access from midday I think. It'll be a great weekend, Ickworth's always a good laugh
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Post by: Duuring on April 09, 2014, 04:37:30 pm
nevermind...

lol, Godson, did you not know Churchill was the mastermind behind Galipoli? xD
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Post by: Olafson on April 09, 2014, 11:31:16 pm
Join a french regiment so you camp close to mine?  :P

Every time I visit your camp the next reenactment ill be captured for being French...

You could get some civilian clothes and spy on the British!
Actually would interest me if anyone is reenacting that kind of stuff. Spies were not too uncommon during the Napoleonic Wars.
Obviously is a bit hard to do.. Thinking about it. But the idea is interesting.

Does anyone know if there are any reenactments around the Brest/Crozon area in Britanny btw.?
It seems like a perfect place to me. There are dozens of old forts, the landscape is nice and you could even do something combined with Marines.

It could work for all eras, really. WW2, Napolenic or anything earlier...
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Post by: UhtredskaerAlsoMilky on April 10, 2014, 12:09:06 am
Access from midday? Oh ffs, why am I so poor at planning? Nevermind, I'll just wander round the general area with all of my stuff for the weekend, dressed as a Frenchman for 4 hours, THEN collect wood.
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Post by: Barnesy on April 10, 2014, 12:48:54 am
Access from midday? Oh ffs, why am I so poor at planning? Nevermind, I'll just wander round the general area with all of my stuff for the weekend, dressed as a Frenchman for 4 hours, THEN collect wood.
I'm sure that's what it said, I may be wrong
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Post by: UhtredskaerAlsoMilky on April 10, 2014, 02:06:17 am
You're probably right. Nevermind. I'll just turn up and hope they let me stick my tent up. Thanks for the heads up man!
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Post by: Vincenzo on April 10, 2014, 02:56:40 pm
The pictures I made in Bourtange;

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10203650032830887.1073741828.1218637252&type=1&l=df1338d2d2
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Post by: ClearlyInvsible on April 11, 2014, 02:22:21 am
Y'all ever get snow stuck up your kilt on a long march?

Not fun, not fun at all.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 11, 2014, 02:39:17 am
Kilt?  You doing Highlander?
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Post by: ClearlyInvsible on April 11, 2014, 03:06:18 am
Did a 1812 Nova Scotia regiment with a cousin in Canada.

I mean the kilt felt awesome, but God damn it isn't snow resistant.

EDIT: I mean 93rd reenactment. Sorry. Chose the kilt over the pants, big mistake saying the reenactment was held in Nova Scotia.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 11, 2014, 05:33:47 am
Wearing Kilt in the snow. Now you know why you chose kilt, ain't no pant enough to hold your big balls. ;)
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Post by: ClearlyInvsible on April 11, 2014, 10:18:07 pm
Well my cousin does reenacting as a Canadian Voltigeur now, at least those lads wear nice warm bearskins.
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Post by: Duuring on April 11, 2014, 10:20:58 pm
PICS! PICS! PICS!
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Post by: kpetschulat on April 11, 2014, 10:36:30 pm
PICS! PICS! PICS!
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Post by: ClearlyInvsible on April 11, 2014, 10:47:48 pm
I don't have any...

Sorry, this was a tactical event not a historical one, we weren't allowed to bring tech.
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Post by: Olafson on April 11, 2014, 10:53:46 pm
Did anyone of you travel using public transport while wearing your Uniform + Equipment?

What was the response, did the police ask you stupid questions?
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Post by: ClearlyInvsible on April 11, 2014, 10:56:37 pm
We were using my uncle's flatbed. A couple of people were curious why 3 Middle Eastern dudes were in the back of a truck dressed as Scotsmen holding muskets, but the cops didn't bother us.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 11, 2014, 11:08:23 pm
I used the metra in my heer uniform.  Sort of. Wire everything but cap/tunic in the bag with equipment. No question or look were looked.

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Post by: Olafson on April 11, 2014, 11:28:08 pm
I definitely would never do something like that with a WW2 uniform in Germany. There is a law that forbids wearing Wehrmacht uniforms in public. It is probably allowed if it just for getting to an event, but I am sure you will be facing a lot of trouble.

What I really wanted to know, was if anyone did it in Europe and what the general responses were. I am mostly relying on public transport and I would like to know if anyone had any problems with doing that.


I had bad experience already, and all I did was carrying a bow and a small replica knife and arrows over the streets. The police basically stopped me and told me to hand them over the arrows... But that happened long ago, I maybe was 12 year old back then and by law I would not have been allowed to carry that knife.
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Post by: ClearlyInvsible on April 11, 2014, 11:34:47 pm
If I were you, I'd bring a knapsack to the event and get in uniform once you get there.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 11, 2014, 11:45:29 pm
Yeah honestly it's no big deal just plain feldgrau trouser and knit shirt. That's it. Keep the swasitka shit in the bag.
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Post by: Wolff on April 12, 2014, 01:17:03 am
Nevermind dat shit
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Post by: zac on April 12, 2014, 01:47:55 am
Ive taken the trains from the bluemountains into sydney half dressed/full as Napoleonic stuff, among over things, after many years you love it :)  taken bus's and taxis etc also
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 12, 2014, 02:01:28 am
Don't undrrstand a wotd no more but u r all gay for not speaking germa
n DEUTSCH


Genau.
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Post by: Captain America on April 12, 2014, 04:44:24 am
Had odd looks in my Soviet kit on the train and bus before, but tend to remove cap badge and epaulettes, no trouble though
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 12, 2014, 04:54:44 am
Well today Generation won't think you're weird. They'll probably think you're either homeless or a hipster.
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Post by: GodsonGuys on April 12, 2014, 06:52:31 am
nevermind...

lol, Godson, did you not know Churchill was the mastermind behind Galipoli? xD

I did..

he was the mastermind, he didn't lead them up the beaches..

Either way, shitty strategy from a "Strategical Genius"
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Post by: Olafson on April 12, 2014, 06:33:19 pm
Sounds good. I guess I am just way to worried. #Germany
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Post by: joer5835 on April 13, 2014, 05:46:34 pm
I recently had the weirdest experience.

My mother's dish washing machine broke down, and so we called a mechanic to fix the damn thing. So, two mechanics came over, while one of em was looking at the machine, the other noticed my Waffen-SS minitiature soldiers (you know, minitiature scale battle scenes) on a shelf in my room. He immediatly walked up to it and we started a conversation about the SS in the second world war. Turns out, the guy reenacts as a Waffen SS soldier here in the Netherlands. Didn't get out of him where exactly they have events, as his buddy called him to help fixing the dish washer.

Dat coincidence...
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Post by: Duuring on April 13, 2014, 06:08:44 pm
There are people doing the Waffen SS in the Netherlands?

brb joining up
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Post by: ClearlyInvsible on April 13, 2014, 06:53:16 pm
Is there a French group I can join to shoot said SS?
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Post by: Duuring on April 13, 2014, 07:01:28 pm
Premier regiment de Pas-Shoots-Nous-Surrender, Company B.
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Post by: joer5835 on April 13, 2014, 07:02:15 pm
brb joining up

Oh god, what have I done...
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Post by: munky-wunky on April 13, 2014, 07:02:35 pm
Is there a French group I can join to shoot said SS?

is there an american group i can join to obliterate said SS?
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Post by: ClearlyInvsible on April 13, 2014, 07:09:44 pm
Premier regiment de Pas-Shoots-Nous-Surrender, Company B.

Premier regiment de Vous ne tiries pas nous rennoncions a*

Also, the FFF kicked the SS Panzer Grenadier's asses in Africa :D
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Post by: Duuring on April 13, 2014, 07:09:53 pm
Nah.

I'm kinda curious, Joer. How did the guy talk about the SS. Did he gave you the 'you know, they actually weren't that bad'-talk?

Also, the FFF kicked the SS Panzer Grenadier's asses in Africa :D

That's because it had so many non-Frenchies in it.
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Post by: joer5835 on April 13, 2014, 07:11:16 pm
Nah.

I'm kinda curious, Joer. How did the guy talk about the SS. Did he gave you the 'you know, they actually weren't that bad'-talk?

First thing he said when he mentioned he reenacted the SS.
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Post by: ClearlyInvsible on April 13, 2014, 07:22:32 pm
Also, the FFF kicked the SS Panzer Grenadier's asses in Africa :D

That's because it had so many non-Frenchies in it.

Damn straight! Armiee d'Afrique best ass kickers EU/AF!
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Post by: Wolff on April 13, 2014, 07:33:23 pm
There are people doing the Waffen SS in the Netherlands?

well, what did you think duuring??? There were many of dutchmen in the SS and there are SS fascinated people in nearly every european country - so why not in the netherlands?
Maybe he does not use the skull on his nice black collar and maybe he will say: "I am doing german elite troop" if somebody asks who ain't so interested in history  ...like some Germans are doing it but that is something you can't change
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 13, 2014, 07:52:47 pm
P.s. I believe there was no Waffen SS in Afrika.


Also that guy has balls to come out and say "I'm a SS reenactor" to a stranger. +1
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Post by: Duuring on April 13, 2014, 08:06:36 pm
Nah.

I'm kinda curious, Joer. How did the guy talk about the SS. Did he gave you the 'you know, they actually weren't that bad'-talk?

First thing he said when he mentioned he reenacted the SS.

What more did he say?
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Post by: ClearlyInvsible on April 13, 2014, 08:15:13 pm
P.s. I believe there was no Waffen SS in Afrika.


Also that guy has balls to come out and say "I'm a SS reenactor" to a stranger. +1

SS does not always equal Waffen SS
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 13, 2014, 08:20:13 pm
Huh? What other Panzers could be called SS then?
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Post by: joer5835 on April 13, 2014, 08:33:12 pm
Nah.

I'm kinda curious, Joer. How did the guy talk about the SS. Did he gave you the 'you know, they actually weren't that bad'-talk?

First thing he said when he mentioned he reenacted the SS.

What more did he say?

He then started talking about his spiritual work. About how he believes that a lot can be explained from the past, including a person's future and all that shit.

I wont bore you with all the details.
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Post by: Ililsa on April 13, 2014, 08:43:09 pm
He then started talking about his spiritual work. About how he believes that a lot can be explained from the past, including a person's future and all that shit.

I wont bore you with all the details.

That's the plot of the new Captain America film.

I think you've encountered a member of Hydra.
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Post by: joer5835 on April 13, 2014, 08:48:33 pm
He went on and on about how looking at a person's history you can predict his future.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 13, 2014, 09:04:34 pm
I predict Duuring will be like Stalin
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Post by: ClearlyInvsible on April 13, 2014, 09:05:01 pm
Huh? What other Panzers could be called SS then?

Osttürkischer Waffen-Verband der SS or 1. Ostmuselmanisches SS-Regiment

These guys were in the Levant for a wee bit, fought against the British Arab Legion.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 13, 2014, 09:07:55 pm
That's the Waffen SS -_-
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Post by: ClearlyInvsible on April 13, 2014, 09:11:51 pm
?

Hm. You're right.

Let me say this right now, my knowledge of WWII is much stronger on the Allied side than the Axis, I'm still trying to get a grasp of the Heer and Schutzstaffel.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Ililsa on April 13, 2014, 09:15:05 pm
He went on and on about how looking at a person's history you can predict his future.

Definitely Hydra.

In other news I've just put in an order for materials so I can get to making my own belt.

Considering looking for decently coloured linen to make a tunic with but I doubt I'll get any before our first show, so I just hope I have my undershirts by then, otherwise I'll be back in civvies and a group t-shirt after the fighting's over.

Oh, and another group member gave me a small satchel I can wear around the camp and keep stuff in today. He'd never used it and it just needed some tags taking out, which I've managed to do without causing any damage to the bag's stitching.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Mr T on April 13, 2014, 09:16:14 pm
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Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 13, 2014, 09:24:50 pm
?

Hm. You're right.

Let me say this right now, my knowledge of WWII is much stronger on the Allied side than the Axis, I'm still trying to get a grasp of the Heer and Schutzstaffel.


Lol no problem. I'm pretty much the same except its allied for me.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on April 13, 2014, 09:45:13 pm
I predict Duuring will be like Stalin

Maybe. Probably. It's classified.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on April 13, 2014, 09:47:12 pm
I feel a purge incoming.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 13, 2014, 09:57:22 pm
I predict Duuring will be like Stalin

Maybe. Probably. It's classified.


No such a thing as "classified" in America. Why? That's classified!
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on April 13, 2014, 10:05:14 pm
I feel a purge incoming.

If you people do not let me watch Lilo&Stitch in peace, THEN SURELY THERE WILL BE, COMRADE!
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: George385 on April 14, 2014, 12:59:07 am
http://9gag.com/gag/aD0Nwed?ref=fb.s

well, atleast he had a quick death :P
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Ililsa on April 14, 2014, 01:10:13 am
No 9gag plz.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 14, 2014, 01:58:10 am
(https://i.gyazo.com/cbcfd6cae0c53ca1a7c368e4a8f797a8.png)

Saw that shit in person. And the Eagle with two bullet hole as well or canister.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: munky-wunky on April 14, 2014, 03:34:31 am
http://9gag.com/gag/aD0Nwed?ref=fb.s

well, atleast he had a quick death :P


wtf why would you post something from 9gag.... jeez
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: George385 on April 14, 2014, 03:36:02 am
http://9gag.com/gag/aD0Nwed?ref=fb.s

well, atleast he had a quick death :P


wtf why would you post something from 9gag.... jeez

Cos yolo
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: munky-wunky on April 14, 2014, 06:29:15 am
http://9gag.com/gag/aD0Nwed?ref=fb.s

well, atleast he had a quick death :P


wtf why would you post something from 9gag.... jeez

Cos  #yolo  #beautiful #cute #fashion #love #summer #food #instalike #tbt #igers #follow #instadaily #instamood #friends #girl #me #swag #like4like #tflers #followme #instagood #tagsforlikes #amazing #bestoftheday #fun #smile #photooftheday #picoftheday #happy #all_shots #flowers

fixed

there some more dead brain cells for y'all
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Landrik on April 14, 2014, 08:31:07 am
Officially got awarded my EKII for WWI this weekend, so very happy. The reenactment was pretty damn good too. My calves are sore as hell from just walking through trenches and going over the top. Up, down, up, down.

Will post pics when I can.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: munky-wunky on April 14, 2014, 01:45:07 pm
ahhhhhhhhhhhh

next year man next year


all go to a WWI event
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Landrik on April 14, 2014, 09:41:20 pm
What will you do? You could join my unit. ;) We're dedicated Stosstruppen, so we get inserted into the lines whenever there's an Allied attack that penetrated or we are the first ones in on the attack. Otherwise we're jumping around no man's land dodging mortars, grenades, and MG fire trying to cut wire.

es brety sweg tho
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: munky-wunky on April 14, 2014, 11:08:29 pm
i can't afford an other impression argh
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on April 14, 2014, 11:28:11 pm
Is that why you are renting out your signature for advertising?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Ililsa on April 14, 2014, 11:30:30 pm
You don't know that.

Munk might really, really like trees.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on April 14, 2014, 11:34:33 pm
I also need mah monei.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 15, 2014, 12:05:36 am
I think I got my next impression planned out ehhehee. Either 1939-1940 Heer soldat or a Scots Guard in American Rev. War. 

hmmmm hmmm hmmm hmm.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on April 15, 2014, 12:08:46 am
I got a invitation from the 85e to be a invite for their reenactment in Hoogstraten first weekend of May, good news overall!, I hope to get most of my kit ready by then.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Mr T on April 15, 2014, 12:14:44 am
Awesome to hear! Hoogstraten looks like its going to be quite a big event with the NA going.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on April 15, 2014, 12:17:41 am
Awesome to hear! Hoogstraten looks like its going to be quite a big event with the NA going.
I got a invitation from the 85e to be a invite for their reenactment in Hoogstraten first weekend of May, good news overall!, I hope to get most of my kit ready by then.

 :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on April 15, 2014, 12:42:09 am
Ugh, the 85e have such a wierd history.

They went through a shitton of battles though.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on April 15, 2014, 12:45:49 am
What weird history?  :o

Their a great bunch of people so far as I've seen them.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: George385 on April 15, 2014, 12:48:11 am
What weird history?  :o

Their a great bunch of people so far as I've seen them.

they're*
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on April 15, 2014, 12:49:30 am
What weird history?  :o

Their a great bunch of people so far as I've seen them.

they're*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4vf8N6GpdM
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on April 15, 2014, 12:51:32 am
Ugh, the 85e have such a wierd history.

They went through a shitton of battles though.

What weird history?  :o.

I think Clearly points at the fact that they were at most of Napoleons campaigns. Italy, Egypt, Austerlitz, Prussia, Russia. Even at Paris? Must have been a freshly made conscript batallion.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on April 15, 2014, 12:53:10 am
Yeah, these bastards went through everything with Napoleon, yet I've never heard much about them. Talk about unsung.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on April 15, 2014, 01:01:44 am
I think they were one of the regiments that did something bad during the Italy campaign and had to add, in French, the words 'Not part of the Army of Italy' on their flags.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on April 15, 2014, 01:40:43 am
Hm, let me loot it up
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: munky-wunky on April 15, 2014, 02:28:54 am
You don't know that.

Munk might really, really like trees.
Is that why you are renting out your signature for advertising?

duuring you may get the joke regarding the sig? I shall assume you do.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Barnesy on April 15, 2014, 11:53:33 am
I got a invitation from the 85e to be a invite for their reenactment in Hoogstraten first weekend of May, good news overall!, I hope to get most of my kit ready by then.
mwahaha I look forward to seeing you there, please die nicely ;)
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on April 15, 2014, 02:48:11 pm
We should share some scotch.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: munky-wunky on April 15, 2014, 02:53:42 pm
And get roaring...
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on April 15, 2014, 04:10:10 pm
Well this turned out different than I thought.

I was initially planning on not going to Hoogstraten because of my finals (which are on the 12th of may, a week after the event), but I made up my mind. I got two weeks off next from next week on and I plan to study like nobody ever did before during those two weeks so I can go to Hoogstraten. Funny thing is, my parents actually suggested this plan to me, first time ever they didn't force me to study 24/7 :P
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on April 15, 2014, 04:19:32 pm
Your parents are smart, its a reward thing; If you study 24/7 right now, you will be allowed to go.

So better start studying and study well, and your efford will be rewarded.

10/10 points for parents.  ;D


Duuring should come too.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on April 15, 2014, 04:26:31 pm
I can not. I can no longer rent a horse, that's too late. It's also extremely expensive for this event.

Besides, if I go as infantry, I will fuck up my studying due to post-phoning habits. I'd just post-phone everything to the last week, fuck up and fail my exams, and I'm just not gonna do that. I'm gonna enjoy my holidays, study relaxed and without pressure and ace dat fucking examns. I have miss one big event? Well, so be it. I love re-enactment, but I kinda would like to get to University too. To which, btw, I just got accepted.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on April 15, 2014, 04:41:46 pm
Oh you're one of those. Well, though I have that habit with homework and essayes, for some reason I don't have it with studying for exams and tests.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: munky-wunky on April 15, 2014, 06:38:00 pm
I can not. I can no longer rent a horse, that's too late. It's also extremely expensive for this event.

Besides, if I go as infantry, I will fuck up my studying due to post-phoning habits. I'd just post-phone everything to the last week, fuck up and fail my exams, and I'm just not gonna do that. I'm gonna enjoy my holidays, study relaxed and without pressure and ace dat fucking examns. I have miss one big event? Well, so be it. I love re-enactment, but I kinda would like to get to University too. To which, btw, I just got accepted.


Yay which one?

Lol I got into 9 I can't deside
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Ililsa on April 15, 2014, 07:50:36 pm
Nice, Duuring. Hope you got your first choice or however it works over there.

Both of you: Go to the best place you can. I went to a crap Uni because it was convenient and have spent the last three years with borderline depression.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Mr T on April 15, 2014, 07:58:29 pm
I'm going to the University of East Anglia hopefully. I have 3 exams for my final year, 2 before any events in May, then I have two very close to each other, Hunton Court on 24th/25th which is the weekend after breaking up for another half term, then I'm going to Montmirail the week after. I have an exam 4 days after we get back from Montmirail, so I'm hoping it will be enough time to finalize revision.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on April 15, 2014, 10:51:57 pm
Yay which one?

Lol I got into 9 I can't deside
Nice, Duuring. Hope you got your first choice or however it works over there.

Both of you: Go to the best place you can. I went to a crap Uni because it was convenient and have spent the last three years with borderline depression.

I signed up for Political Science at the Radboud University in Nijmegen (East Netherlands). My signing up procedure was as following; Sign up via site. Receive link to 15 minutes test. Fill in your grades and some simple questions why you want to do the study. Send. Get accepted two days later.

At least, I think I got accepted. Bit unclear. It can take on enough students so there's no entering lottery or shit. They just look at your grades and your motivation real quick and DONE. #DutchEducation

Radboud University is great. Nijmegen is great. It's gonna be great. Nijmegen, that lays next to the River Waal, has the nickname 'Havanna on the Waal'. The party rules the city, my comrades!
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 16, 2014, 02:32:07 am
Jesus Christ.  Im moving to Netherland.

In the US, enroll online, do essay shit or video shit about why you are so goddamn special, then pay 50 or 60 bucks for the process, then rejected.

Fucking hell i paid to get rejected.


(not really, havent signed up yet hehehe but come on, isnt that logic stupid? You're paying to be rejected)
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on April 16, 2014, 02:51:40 am
Ah free education... why don't we have that here?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: munky-wunky on April 16, 2014, 05:08:52 am
McEwan and I could go to the same school next year!
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on April 16, 2014, 09:58:29 am
Its a shame that you can not study military history anywhere, but in the military. Which means that if I want to study military history, I would have to sign up for a career at the military which would force me to work there for like 12 years.. No thanks.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Barnesy on April 16, 2014, 11:28:10 am
Its a shame that you can not study military history anywhere, but in the military. Which means that if I want to study military history, I would have to sign up for a career at the military which would force me to work there for like 12 years.. No thanks.
My first degree was called "War and Society", basically military history, and my masters was pure military history by research. They're becoming more popular over here in the uk. You just have to search for things like "War Studies" instead of Military History
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Wolff on April 16, 2014, 11:33:50 am
Its a shame that you can not study military history anywhere, but in the military. Which means that if I want to study military history, I would have to sign up for a career at the military which would force me to work there for like 12 years.. No thanks.

but you can. In Potsdam you can study military history or sth wich is called a bit different
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on April 16, 2014, 12:02:46 pm
Here we call it Krijgsgeschiedenis. Either via Militairy School or after doing History. And history study is just Nawh. Hell Nawh.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on April 16, 2014, 12:41:09 pm
I can't go to Potsdam :P  I do not want to study anyway, so yeaaah. Lets forget it.
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Post by: Vincenzo on April 16, 2014, 12:44:07 pm
There is not much purpose in studying history or something like that in my opinion, because you will be pretty much jobless after, or you would want to accept a low wage as a teacher or researcher, that is ofc possible.

Anyway lets discuss Reenacting again and not studying. :)

Apparently after Hoogstraten there is also at 10 and 11 may another event in Slot Loevestein, I might go there as well, but that depends on time frame, that means I'm reenacting 3 times in 1 month... :P
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Barnesy on April 16, 2014, 01:12:24 pm
That's the fun thing about the hobby! I once did 6 weeks on the trot!
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Mr T on April 16, 2014, 03:10:23 pm
Reenactment of the Battle of Olszynka Grochowska (1831)

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wx_6ORngVM&feature=share[/youtube]
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on April 16, 2014, 03:24:09 pm
All those Napoleonic groups doing '31 xD
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Post by: joer5835 on April 16, 2014, 03:54:48 pm
I presume this is the Polish uprising of 1831?

Looks pretty cool to be honest. I quite like the uniforms.
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Post by: Palfer on April 16, 2014, 03:55:16 pm
nty
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Post by: Duuring on April 16, 2014, 03:56:25 pm
I presume this is the Polish uprising of 1831?

Looks pretty cool to be honest. I quite like the uniforms.

They're wearing Napoleonic uniforms.  :P

This rebellion also made my country split.  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on April 16, 2014, 03:59:20 pm
I presume this is the Polish uprising of 1831?

Looks pretty cool to be honest. I quite like the uniforms.

They're wearing Napoleonic uniforms.  :P

This rebellion also made split our country.  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

I don't think the uniforms changed that dramatically from 1815 onwards. Oh and I fixed your message.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on April 16, 2014, 09:05:36 pm
Poles always had pretty badass uniforms.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on April 17, 2014, 11:45:24 am
Vistula legion is by far one of my most favorite Napoleonic Uniforms.
They just look nice.
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Post by: GodsonGuys on April 17, 2014, 12:05:24 pm


This rebellion also made my country split.  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

What? Into North and South Holland?

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on April 17, 2014, 12:30:01 pm
Belgium.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_Revolution
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Post by: Duuring on April 17, 2014, 01:02:41 pm
Yeah. Russia and Prussia were both going to send help to the (Northern) Netherlands but due the Polish insurrection they couldn't, leaving France free to help the Belgians. Save the Belgians, actually, for without the French help they'd be fucked.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Barnesy on April 17, 2014, 11:08:40 pm
Vistula legion is by far one of my most favorite Napoleonic Uniforms.
They just look nice.
Nothing beats the Empress Dragoons in my opinion
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on April 17, 2014, 11:25:59 pm
Vistula legion is by far one of my most favorite Napoleonic Uniforms.
They just look nice.

Poland can into Peninsular war (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jacifuentes/3316798000/in/set-72157614561609280/)

Nothing beats the Empress Dragoons in my opinion

Meh. Apart from the aigulettes...Meh.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 17, 2014, 11:33:36 pm
Good to see Polan can into uniformity unlike others.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on April 17, 2014, 11:36:12 pm
Psst. They're Spanish.
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Post by: Frederik on April 17, 2014, 11:44:01 pm
Poland can into Germany
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.altearmee.de%2Freichsfarben%2Fzweites_reich.jpg&hash=88d3cb9559d8f834611aa10b9fc18096fe6de484)
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Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on April 17, 2014, 11:57:12 pm
KALINGRAD. IST. DEUTSCH!
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 17, 2014, 11:59:15 pm
Oh Spanish, still does better job than you cunts.
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Post by: Duuring on April 18, 2014, 12:09:30 am
Meh. the Spanish love everything about the Peninsular war. Like the Russians love the 2nd world war. The Dutchies...we don't care about much...

Muuuunk. How much did your Soviet impression cost you?
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Post by: munky-wunky on April 18, 2014, 01:11:24 am
Meh. the Spanish love everything about the Peninsular war. Like the Russians love the 2nd world war. The Dutchies...we don't care about much...

Muuuunk. How much did your Soviet impression cost you?

$600 so that would be 434.18 euros

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Post by: Baillie on April 18, 2014, 01:24:01 am
I'd love to be a reenactor! Perhaps something to look forward to after university!
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 18, 2014, 01:34:51 am
Meh. the Spanish love everything about the Peninsular war. Like the Russians love the 2nd world war. The Dutchies...we don't care about much...

Muuuunk. How much did your Soviet impression cost you?

$600 so that would be 434.18 euros


I CALL BULLSHIT 

Edit: Finally decided on my next impression, ill give you hint.  it include SS gears and special armband.
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Post by: kpetschulat on April 18, 2014, 03:03:05 am
SS-Allgemeine?
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Post by: zac on April 18, 2014, 03:21:06 am
Nein, FARB , that be what its called
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Post by: kpetschulat on April 18, 2014, 03:22:40 am
Shut up, ye' 'straya cunt.

Spoiler
Pwn't, ye' Bloke.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 18, 2014, 03:37:22 am
Armia Krajowa.  Time for a uprising Poland! Kill all SS cunts!
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Post by: munky-wunky on April 18, 2014, 05:26:11 am
Meh. the Spanish love everything about the Peninsular war. Like the Russians love the 2nd world war. The Dutchies...we don't care about much...

Muuuunk. How much did your Soviet impression cost you?

$600 so that would be 434.18 euros


alright alright  so maybe i forgot to add my greatcoat to the cost.
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Post by: Duuring on April 18, 2014, 07:19:14 am
Armia Krajowa.  Time for a uprising Poland! Kill all SS cunts!

POLAND CAN INTO BIG UPRISING!
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Post by: ClearlyInvsible on April 18, 2014, 05:45:03 pm
Armia Krajowa.  Time for a uprising Poland! Kill all SS cunts!

POLAND CAN INTO BIG UPRISING!

Well it has... what 5 times in History? Poles are tough sons of bitches when it comes to homeland wars.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 18, 2014, 06:15:31 pm
This is going to be heck of a impression. But the biggest challenge is finding prewar polish stuff and civvies clothing. I want to half SS half civvie look. My plan so far is to get K98 and use it for AK and 275th ID. Perfect. I am lucky to have grandfather who grew up in Poland, heavily interested in the war like me and his father was in AK. He has been helping me and gonna try get family back in poland to mail his father diary and translate it for me. Friggin sweet. 

So far, I need to get SS oak leaves Smock, pre war polish belt or I can use my heer belt but the polish belt sound better, M43 field cap with Polish eagle cap pin over the swastiska or Rogatywka cap, Civvie trouser, leather shoe, Gonna make my own polish colors armband and stamp AK on it, I think they painted the flag around the Stahlhelm which i dont want to do to my Stahlhelm. Maybe ill get another one down the road.

So excited to start on this.
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Post by: Duuring on April 18, 2014, 06:32:27 pm
Rogatywka cap

HMMMMMMMMMMYESSS
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.armiam.com%2Fsale%2Frog.JPG&hash=1ea5f9c6c652f80665cf514ebfc6d03ef88fa3bc)
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Post by: joer5835 on April 18, 2014, 08:10:52 pm
Rogatywka cap

HMMMMMMMMMMYESSS
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.armiam.com%2Fsale%2Frog.JPG&hash=1ea5f9c6c652f80665cf514ebfc6d03ef88fa3bc)
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I want one of those...RIIIIIGHT NOW
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 18, 2014, 08:20:58 pm
I have found a vendor that sell it for 45. But it looks ok, anyone else know a vendor has tons of polish ww2 stuff?
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Post by: Duuring on April 18, 2014, 10:34:10 pm
this is 50.

There's this guy.

http://www.armiam.com/
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 18, 2014, 11:26:15 pm
this is 50.

There's this guy.

http://www.armiam.com/


<3 thank you so much!
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Post by: Duuring on April 18, 2014, 11:28:18 pm
Might buy one of those hats anyway cos THEY SEXYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
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Post by: Millander on April 18, 2014, 11:43:27 pm
Still doesn't beat a good ole forage cap with with a Maltese cross.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 18, 2014, 11:47:02 pm
About 50% Civil War reenactors all over the world have goddamn maltese cross on their cap. <Unique is now denied>
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Post by: Millander on April 18, 2014, 11:51:15 pm
Nah 90% of em dont even wear corps badges.  :-\
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 19, 2014, 12:20:34 am
nah 50%. Oh some even put flags next to Maltese cross.
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Post by: Duuring on April 19, 2014, 12:22:25 am
Davout/Mr_T, from what area of France did the 21e get their recruits from? The north, by any chance?
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Post by: zac on April 19, 2014, 02:09:22 am
dont ask me :'(
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Post by: Mr T on April 19, 2014, 11:22:57 am
All I know is that the regiment was first raised in Lorraine in 1589.
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Post by: Duuring on April 19, 2014, 12:10:55 pm
Hmm.

The matricules (Roll call books) of the 21eme are normal from the beginning until 1814. Then there's a whole new book for May 1815 which was 1.800 names. It seems like the regiment was so ragged they made a new matricule with what was left in 1815. Maybe it was even completely reformed. Interesting because it has only two battalions, 1.000 men, in the Army of the North. The Department Du Nord appeared a lot.

They also seem to have taken lots of men from different regiments in during their existence, even men from the National Guard, instead of just taking conscripts.
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Post by: Mr T on April 19, 2014, 12:14:52 pm
I know the 21e that was reformed after Russia in 1813 fought at Dresden then was left there as garrison, at Kulm they passed into captivity. Then in 1814 it was reformed from the depots in France and fought the British defending Bergen Op Zoom.
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Post by: Duuring on April 19, 2014, 12:22:37 pm
Those might simply have been different battalions.

The 21e even takes deserters from other regiments. Or they take back their own deserters... It's very confusing.
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Post by: zac on April 19, 2014, 12:50:05 pm
haha, take back deserters

Ironfest next weekend,.  Bergen Op Zoom scenario hehehehe, time to smash ze Poms, Vive La 21eme!!!! and irish/marines/arty/cav/3e/Young guard/old guard
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Post by: Duuring on April 19, 2014, 12:53:21 pm
ZE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK!
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Post by: zac on April 19, 2014, 12:55:39 pm
and the return of the poms comes round and we all get smashed ;)
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Post by: Mr T on April 21, 2014, 12:55:32 pm
Bicentenary of our Emperor's farewell to his Guard :'(

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gu5UECXsfBU[/youtube]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RE5VJXMeJGU[/youtube]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFAHb7INA0I[/youtube]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu_5qnR28Fc[/youtube]
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Post by: munky-wunky on April 21, 2014, 01:20:47 pm
there is a reenacting video page :P
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Post by: Mr T on April 21, 2014, 01:30:10 pm
I know but I felt like posting them here.
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Post by: Duuring on April 21, 2014, 01:34:35 pm
much cry. Many farewells. wow.
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Post by: munky-wunky on April 21, 2014, 01:36:00 pm
much cry. Many farewells. wow.

shhhh I take over duurings job :O :) 
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Post by: Mr T on April 21, 2014, 01:43:20 pm
Much feels, much love, much emotions.

:'(

"Soldiers of my Old Guard: I bid you farewell. For twenty years I have constantly accompanied you on the road to honor and glory. In these latter times, as in the days of our prosperity, you have invariably been models of courage and fidelity. With men such as you our cause could not be lost; but the war would have been interminable; it would have been civil war, and that would have entailed deeper misfortunes on France.
I have sacrificed all of my interests to those of the country.
I go, but you, my friends, will continue to serve France. Her happiness was my only thought. It will still be the object of my wishes. Do not regret my fate; if I have consented to survive, it is to serve your glory. I intend to write the history of the great achievements we have performed together. Adieu, my friends. Would I could press you all to my heart."
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Post by: Vincenzo on April 21, 2014, 01:51:36 pm
Why do I see revolutionary uniforms basically a lot are <1812? :P
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Post by: Mr T on April 21, 2014, 01:57:45 pm
That'll be the 8e Demi-Brigade, they wear the revolutionary uniforms, they're probably one of if not the biggest Napoleonic re-enactment group in Europe.
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Post by: Vincenzo on April 21, 2014, 02:01:57 pm
I read the montmirail event reenactor rules book here:
http://1814v4.fr/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Reglement_General_Reconstitueurs-ENG.pdf

It basically means these guys can't attend then because they don't allow revolutionary uniforms...
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Post by: Mr T on April 21, 2014, 02:03:14 pm
Yeah, they probably won't be there then.
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Post by: Vincenzo on April 21, 2014, 02:05:57 pm
Intresting thing also from reading this, woman won't be allowed on the battlefield... but must wait in some other field.. they allow 1 "vivandiere" per 45 men... lool..
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Post by: Mr T on April 21, 2014, 02:07:59 pm
Dunno whether that one will be followed, don't think they were allowed at Leipzig either but ours came with us anyway.
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Post by: zac on April 21, 2014, 02:24:58 pm
Euro Reenactors Pfffff no fun..same with yanks

8eme awesome!!!!!


'Straya
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Post by: Duuring on April 21, 2014, 02:32:30 pm
Dat translation of the Reglement.
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Post by: Ililsa on April 21, 2014, 02:47:00 pm
The women rule makes sense to me if it's only applicable to women in women's dress.

Women in uniform who are re-enacting men should definitely be allowed, but it looks odd with about 50 washerwomen and vivandiéres following one unit.
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Post by: joer5835 on April 21, 2014, 06:52:24 pm
What's wrong with that? If they join you in battle, they can wash the blood of your uniform before it dries up.
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Post by: Vincenzo on April 21, 2014, 07:01:27 pm
50 might be too much but in my opinion 5 or so is completely fine.
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Post by: Vorposten on April 23, 2014, 11:53:17 am
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RE5VJXMeJGU[/youtube]
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Post by: Mortem on April 27, 2014, 10:36:26 pm
bump
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Post by: kpetschulat on April 27, 2014, 10:52:13 pm
Got back from Odessa, fucking amazing event. Going to upload pictures when they get uploaded.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on April 29, 2014, 01:15:08 am
Eeeeey 21eme. Guess what. YOU GUYS ARE BELGIAN!

Pfff. Belgians.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 29, 2014, 01:37:33 am
Belgian Line Infantry of Waffles.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on April 29, 2014, 01:45:14 am
Alleee zijt gij van d'n zotte?


<3 belgians.
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Post by: ClearlyInvsible on April 29, 2014, 02:53:34 am
Pff, Belgium. Nothing more than a Dutch/French/Austrian/Spanish colony.
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Post by: kpetschulat on April 29, 2014, 04:04:45 am
As I said, here are some of the pictures I put on my Facebook of the 2014 Ostfront event in Odessa, NY.

Me during a lull in the fighting in Odessa. (I'm holding a CZ-24, a Czechoslovakian Mauser often used by the Osttruppen. Was loaned to me for the event.)
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1.0-9/1798534_10203614677787052_8314518345270453274_n.jpg)
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3./3.SS-Pz.Gren.-Reg "Deutschland," 9. Kompanie
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Sweeping the Odessa battlefield in staggered formation.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/t1.0-9/10255112_10203614679427093_5191825725910129450_n.jpg)
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SS-Deutschland "minion" Schützen.
(https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1.0-9/10264893_10203614678187062_8317213852477507507_n.jpg)
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The Zeltbahn I slept in Friday night.
(https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1.0-9/1902917_10203614680027108_3804057290132345215_n.jpg)
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SS-Deutschland preparing for a last ditch charge into the Russian reinforcement point.
(https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1.0-9/10247401_10203614680267114_8533120125968444457_n.jpg)
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The Odessa Ostfront event combatants: (RU) 3rd Rifle Division, (RU) Partisan Resistance, (DE) 915th Infantry Regiment, (DE) SS-Deutschland.
(https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/t1.0-9/10177988_10203615670531870_3705450219813486671_n.jpg)
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915th Infantry Regiment and the SS-Deutschland being inspected.
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Related, but no so important.

My car prepped for the 2014 Ostfront in Odessa, NY.
(https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1.0-9/10151747_10203623329123330_1690108429327599061_n.jpg)
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 29, 2014, 04:21:54 am
Great photos, I like your zeltbahn set up.  Doubt I'd ever do that in my unit  :(, we have a boner for foxholes so bad that we do it pretty much for all events haha.
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Post by: kpetschulat on April 29, 2014, 04:30:25 am
It was actually someone else Zeltbahn. I don't have any of my own yet, but I bunked in his while he went to sleep in the Russian camp (for some weird reason). I was in there with another guy who was a guest from the 12.SS-Hitlerjugend based out of PA. That's actually his ass sticking out of the tent. He got drunk and passed out around 6pm.
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Post by: Landrik on April 29, 2014, 05:28:30 am
From just before Easter.

Spoiler
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Spoiler
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/v/t1.0-9/1621948_497280913734319_5895988139506378684_n.jpg?oh=cd7f1d11d1b71c9c7a4e38410b17a5a2&oe=53C1DEA8&__gda__=1406514086_f734c5dd7775e857f4372f4b95140d5b)
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Spoiler
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Spoiler
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Spoiler
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 29, 2014, 05:36:38 am
German invasion of FSE ja?
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Post by: kpetschulat on April 29, 2014, 05:37:40 am
HEIL. HEIL. HEIL!
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Post by: Landrik on April 29, 2014, 05:40:18 am
Gott schützen der Kaiser!
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Post by: kpetschulat on April 29, 2014, 05:51:31 am
DEN*
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Post by: Wolff on April 29, 2014, 10:53:53 am
DEN*  schütze*

much love to ww1 reenactment. here in Germany there are just a very few old guys reenacting ww1 and about 3 younger guys :P
If I would have the money.....  ::)
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Post by: joer5835 on April 29, 2014, 01:07:16 pm
Is it me or are Landrik's shoulder straps huge... :P
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Post by: Ililsa on April 29, 2014, 03:51:49 pm
The way Landrik poses in half of his pics I think we need to do a calendar.

Medieval page gonna be so sexy.
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2F3%2F3d%2FBraies.jpg&hash=c1ef28f6fc8328938fcac94ab308a53e6e8505d2)
Aw yeah.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 29, 2014, 08:23:44 pm
Landrik, i just noticed you have a very big wood.
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Post by: munky-wunky on April 29, 2014, 11:33:55 pm
i think i shot a few germans in that pit haha
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 29, 2014, 11:40:01 pm
i think i shot a few germans in that pit haha


and missed..........SOVIET ACCURACY.
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Post by: munky-wunky on April 30, 2014, 01:38:00 am
oh no, that is when we flanked them and there line did not notice so we walk through the trench just shouting "bang"
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 30, 2014, 02:20:10 am
Bang does not kill people. Silly soviet. Use your bayonet.
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Post by: munky-wunky on April 30, 2014, 02:57:12 am
nyet i use 'nades
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 30, 2014, 03:08:29 am
Nads? you use testicles?
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Post by: munky-wunky on April 30, 2014, 03:22:31 am
:P

the fascist invaders drop dead at the sight of that
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 30, 2014, 03:26:49 am
Theres a cossack volunteer in german army that acutally would cut testicles off and hang them around their vehicles.

So.....the cossack reenacting unit actually does it. Got himself banned tho but  he literally carried them around.
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Post by: munky-wunky on April 30, 2014, 03:32:31 am
lies XD

that would be so awful yet so funny
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 30, 2014, 03:53:20 am
k den. I go find pic. please give me few minute.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 30, 2014, 04:02:06 am
(https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1.0-9/10292385_1441612676078680_1551921114855613352_n.jpg)

I have discovered it.  Now bear with me, i aint no cutting balls up and knowing what they are. But tons of people in comment are saying it's a testicle.
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Post by: ClearlyInvsible on April 30, 2014, 04:42:03 am
Those... those aren't human right?

Give me a second I'm gonna just puke...
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Post by: munky-wunky on April 30, 2014, 04:58:15 am
we've got the biggest balls of them all
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 30, 2014, 05:53:23 am
I honestly have no idea if they're human or what. Honestly. They just said "oh ye he got banned for bringing out testicles"

 

edit: Also that big ass pyramid of Zelts in back. Wow.
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Post by: munky-wunky on April 30, 2014, 05:55:30 am
so odd
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Post by: kpetschulat on April 30, 2014, 06:01:58 am
I would have banned the guy for his mustache alone.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 30, 2014, 07:13:32 am
lol, cossack are hairy as fuk.
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Post by: Captain America on April 30, 2014, 09:07:18 am
Gotta admit, he's a snappy dresser!
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Post by: Ililsa on April 30, 2014, 07:49:13 pm
Totally not human.

Just looks more like a chunk of gristle or something to me, I don't even know where you'd get a testicle the size of a human hand.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 30, 2014, 07:56:28 pm
Thank you very much mr.testicle expert.  ;D
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Post by: munky-wunky on April 30, 2014, 08:02:58 pm
has somebody look at many testis
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Ililsa on April 30, 2014, 09:00:53 pm
I've played Sniper Elite V2

The X-Ray shots in that game are... detailed
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Post by: ClearlyInvsible on April 30, 2014, 09:10:55 pm
May I just say shooting someone in the junk is just cruel.

I mean for God's sake you probably won't kill him, and nothing hurts more than pain in the jewels.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 30, 2014, 09:34:46 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiJuYqRKmkQ 
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Post by: joer5835 on April 30, 2014, 09:55:58 pm
Shooting in the dick zone is fine.

But never fart on someone's balls, man.
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Post by: munky-wunky on April 30, 2014, 10:10:02 pm
I think of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-54wAE7nJI
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Post by: Devmc99 on May 02, 2014, 03:11:40 am
Just signed up for my first reenactment group. The American Civil War era. 28th Regiment of Foot "Irish Brigade". Cant wait to start  ;D
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Post by: ClearlyInvsible on May 02, 2014, 03:13:00 am
O.o

Which 28th, there's a lotta 28th.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Devmc99 on May 02, 2014, 03:15:32 am
Oops darn 28th Massachusetts "Irish Brigade" http://www.28thmass.org/index.htm
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Post by: ClearlyInvsible on May 02, 2014, 03:20:33 am
Oh, these lads! I was actually gonna join them before I decided to join the 69th in New York.
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Post by: Devmc99 on May 02, 2014, 03:21:01 am
Nice!
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Post by: ClearlyInvsible on May 02, 2014, 03:23:40 am
Tbh the 69th thing didn't pan out, so I'll most likely join up with these guys sooner or later.
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Post by: Devmc99 on May 02, 2014, 03:26:31 am
See you on the battlefield.  ;)
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on May 02, 2014, 04:22:34 am
Excellent unit choice!

I have a very good pard over in Virginia that does Company B of 28th Mass. He always speak highly of the sisters companies across US. 

I wish you luck in your ACW journey. I am heading out to 150th Battle of Resaca in few weeks. Can't wait for it, been out of field since July.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: George385 on May 02, 2014, 07:47:22 am
Just signed up for my first reenactment group. The American Civil War era. 28th Regiment of Foot "Irish Brigade". Cant wait to start  ;D

u wot pleb
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on May 02, 2014, 07:52:38 am
ignore the FSE farb king.
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Post by: George385 on May 02, 2014, 08:29:22 am
ignore the FSE farb king.

ey! im no farb!
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on May 02, 2014, 09:48:51 am
See you in Hoogstraten! (if your going)
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Post by: joer5835 on May 02, 2014, 10:28:55 am
I'll be there Vince, I'm packing my last things and then I'll get moving.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Mr T on May 03, 2014, 10:02:51 am
Our brave lads are in Hoogstraten and paraded yesterday
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xTV0b-R6Qg[/youtube]
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on May 04, 2014, 01:06:25 am
I'm a bit puzzled. I only saw two of my group-members in a video about this Friday-Night parade, two guys who have and brought their own horses. I saw none of them in the battle videos that have been posted on youtube, nor on any photograph. Same goes for the Prince of Orange-workgroup who, I thought, would be in the battle (mounted). Did not see the Prince, nor his aide, not even with the Dutch brigade that fought closest to the public.

I'm a bit worried that something happened.
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Post by: Mr T on May 04, 2014, 10:58:39 am
Battle fought yesterday

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IU1oSntcdNk[/youtube]

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on May 04, 2014, 08:38:17 pm
I'm a bit puzzled. I only saw two of my group-members in a video about this Friday-Night parade, two guys who have and brought their own horses. I saw none of them in the battle videos that have been posted on youtube, nor on any photograph. Same goes for the Prince of Orange-workgroup who, I thought, would be in the battle (mounted). Did not see the Prince, nor his aide, not even with the Dutch brigade that fought closest to the public.

I'm a bit worried that something happened.

The horses of the Prince's staff didn't go well together. Rumor has it one of them freaked out during training en nearly trampled right into a tent, and so the Prince and staff dediced to go into the battle on foot.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on May 04, 2014, 09:14:18 pm
That's promising.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Mr T on May 05, 2014, 01:55:27 am
The French general staff looked awesome, Marshals and Generals on horseback looked sexeeeeh
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Post by: Ililsa on May 05, 2014, 02:00:52 am
My first show is tomorrow. (Today for Europe, really.)

Last six months of training have been building up to this and now I'm ill so I'm probably going to mess it up.
Going anyway and trying my hardest, all my job really is is to get knocked senseless by the Knights, so it's not too bad.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on May 05, 2014, 03:23:57 am
Be sure to get some photo and post them.  George never post shit from his reenactment, thus bumming me out for peeking some medieval action.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Ililsa on May 05, 2014, 03:44:00 am
Hopefully there'll be some stuff. Cameras are going to be set up to fill the tourneys, but the quality will probably be poor.

Stills should look better, I'm praying there'll be at least one where I don't look like a gremlin.
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Post by: Mr. Kochi on May 05, 2014, 07:16:53 am
Hey, I was wondering, given today's standards in reenactment, how bad is elitism and "anti-farb hate" these days? Like, people wearing inaccurate uniforms, or badly made stuff?
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on May 05, 2014, 07:24:28 am
Bad, very very bad. If caught wearing farby item, will be skinned alive and hanged nearby to scare other farbs away.

Death to Farbs. 


naw jk,  "anti-farb hate"  "elitism"  why put us in the bad group?  We are doing history right, we put on accurate uniform and do accurate thingy we waste our weekend on. Why? Because that's the way it was back then? 

To me, its farbs that are stuck in Elitism. They dont give a toot about historical accuracy and they shit all over us if we put forward a helpful advice. That to me, is where Elitism lies.  So Farb Elitism....how bad is it? SUPER BAD, they're everwhere, literally.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Ililsa on May 05, 2014, 07:51:52 pm
Well I'm tired out, probably smell awful and there's a bit of skin opened up in a nasty looking way on one wrist from a sword hit that went awry.

Good show though, and the public were mostly on good form and didn't cause much trouble (those kids, though. Christ.)

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on May 05, 2014, 09:31:01 pm
To me, its farbs that are stuck in Elitism. They dont give a toot about historical accuracy and they shit all over us if we put forward a helpful advice. That to me, is where Elitism lies.  So Farb Elitism....how bad is it? SUPER BAD, they're everwhere, literally.

+1

Especially true in Napoleonic re-enactment. Comment on accuracy of a farb one time and you'll be ridiculed by his entire group.
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Post by: ClearlyInvsible on May 05, 2014, 09:44:47 pm
Eh. I've seen it go both ways. Most of the time I get trouble from mainstreamers who bitch about us stitch counters make an off the cuff remark about how they're missing the proper buckle or they're using the wrong pants.
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Post by: Duuring on May 05, 2014, 09:48:28 pm
Clearly, you know, you haven't post a single photo of you in uniform. This is unacceptable  :P
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Post by: ClearlyInvsible on May 05, 2014, 09:51:00 pm
I refuse to post pictures of myself on this forum. Last time I did ended in disaster. :P

Just imagine a dude in a typical union uniform with a  bit of tisle in his cap, that's me.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on May 05, 2014, 09:54:26 pm
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Last time I did ended in disaster.

Wut?
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on May 05, 2014, 10:44:47 pm
let safely assume clearly is a farb and thus, we must skin him alive and ban him.



naw jk jk. Clearly post it here now. Dat 'n ordah raght thar! 


Btw, Mainstreamers bitching about stitch nazis telling them off for wearing wrong pant? Well then think about, why are you wearing wrong pant in first place?  if it is wrong, its wrong.

I do admit, there are some sttich nazis will go up to your face and say "jesus you fat farb, come back when you get a better pant."  But that's a minority in this community, shitton of progressive reenactors or "stitich nazis" i know generally keep it to themselves and always happy to share their advice and help you out upon request.

Honestly, i find reenacting experience the best with progressive. There is more younger adult doing progressive nowaday, My progressive german unit majority are 17-19. With a 34ish years old man leading us. Oh one is 21. We all have a blast together and always discussing about how to improve our unit attitude and making plans for next event. Its a joyride for me so far.  My experience in mainstream unit is ok, great time yes, but historically? no. I generally find myself stuck in row of A frame tent with pards 30 years older than me and napping.  While over yonder the camp, lies a campaigner unit with couple guys my age and tons of young adults constructing wooden cabin for winter quarter and making sentry post, cooking their rations, singing songs of the ladies back home, and writing or reading the good book of our lord almighty who he watch over us with popcorns.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on May 05, 2014, 11:36:05 pm
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While over yonder the camp, lies a campaigner unit with couple guys my age and tons of young adults constructing wooden cabin for winter quarter and making sentry post, cooking their rations, singing songs of the ladies back home, and writing or reading the good book of our lord almighty who he watch over us with popcorns.

I'm jealous.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Barraclough on May 06, 2014, 12:04:28 am
What's the admiration and popularity of people re-enacting the Wehrmacht (and other parts of the Nazi Germany military branches)?
I've never understood why you would want to dress up as a weapon of Hitler. (And why is it also almost only NA's that do it?)
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: munky-wunky on May 06, 2014, 12:10:19 am
not this topic again.....
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Barraclough on May 06, 2014, 12:11:56 am
If there exist a discussion already on this topic could you be so kind to provide it?

(I have already read the Landrik vs Duuring thing but didn't really offer that much of a conclusive response)
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on May 06, 2014, 12:14:10 am
Americans simply did not experience WW2 as Europe. They don't see them as the beacon of evil, simply because there were no Razzias, fire squads and death camps in the USA. There are no 'he, I lost a grandpa in the resistance/deathcamp/random execution'. It's not there. They look to the 2nd World War trough different glasses. Knowing about evil is very different about having personal links with that evil.

There's a distinct difference between Wehrmacht and SS-units though. Sorry Petschie, but SS-guys, especially those in Europe, are usually the excuse-makers. 'It wasn't so bad'. 'It's really overdone'. 'Allies killed people too'. 'Hitler did a lot of good stuff as well.' Etc. I'm sorry, but when you're defending a regime that systemically killed millions simply because of who they were, I don't care if you do SS, Wehrmacht, Allied, Napoleonic, Medieval or Romans - You're stupid, ignorant and a disgrace.

I've had a guy of 16 that intends to do Luftwaffe field division telling me that you really can't blame Nazi's for what they did cos 'They were human' and 'humans kill people'. Oh, and the most favorite excuse ever; 'THE USA BOMBED GERMANY TOO!'. Seriously guys, if anyone of you ever comes up with excuse, feel free to never talk to me again.

not this topic again.....

I'm sorry that I annoy you with the horror-side of WW2 that my nation and my family personally experienced.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: munky-wunky on May 06, 2014, 12:20:56 am
bla bla bla bla bla

there go duuring...........



/pokes at floor above me  and shouts at duuring for making to much noise up there again
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on May 06, 2014, 12:22:27 am
Yeah. Funny.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on May 06, 2014, 12:38:03 am
Funny question to ask, first of all why do you have himmler avatar? 

Secondly, America DO see them as beacon of evil. Dont be silly duuring. When Europe got fucked, where do those people go? They come to America, we have thousand of refeugee coming in and creating thousand of generation in US. In school they dont teach us about the war. They spend weeks focusing on holocaust. They focused on it so much that it once drove me ashamed to be German and i used black marker to cover up the German flag on my West German jacket. Silly i know right...but that's how serious we are being taught about the war crime of 3rd reich.

Duuring, my Great grandmother went through auschwitz, you don't see me whining or judging the Germans for it.
 
Heres why I do Heer. I grew up with fascination of German uniform and equipment. American uniform looked like shit/junk compared to Heer. The fact that I can get in that uniform, dig a foxhole and wait to be shot at is a wonderful way to learn what was it like for a ordinary soldier in WW2. It is a educational trip for me, as a historian, you know the battle and couple gears, as a reenactor, you know every shit that went on field and how they were carried out. A historian wont tell you how they marched in German, a reenactor would.


Now About that "admiration" part. Nobody is admiring the Reich. That shit get you immediate ban from having membership. And there are shitton of Europeans doing WW2 trust me. Shitton, it just they don't have amendment one protecting them. So it is usually a super secret or modified (removing all nazi symbol). Nazi symbol being publicly shown get you in jail in Europe while in America, you just face angry mob, higher risk of not having a job (they check your facebook upon applying for jobs), but not the federal.  That's why you see more ww2 stuff coming out of NA than EU.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on May 06, 2014, 12:44:53 am
Never saw a problem with people reenacting the Wermacht.

As long as it isn't the Totenkopfverbände, if I see someone "reenacting" them... well you know, blank magazines and real ones look so alike...
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on May 06, 2014, 12:48:00 am
Definately, i would have HUGE problem if anyone reenact camp guard.  One guy did post his camp guard impression on a fb page once. Boy huge shit storm came and knocked him out.

I mean yes historically, as war went, Germany were low on men, so camp guard acted as reserve, and they were called up to reinforce SS unit on the front. So he was reenacting as those guys.

But still distasteful and offensive to reenact a camp guard. 100% a big NO NO in my book.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on May 06, 2014, 12:52:42 am
There's still a difference between having a part of the population, and the nation as its entirety. It's memories. Places. The fact we still find unexploded bombs from the war. WW2 happened in Europa and in Asia. Not so much in the USA. You can't deny that the American population had a very different experience to WW2 then the British, Dutch, German or any other European/Asian population.

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Nazi symbol being publicly shown get you in jail in Europe

No it doesn't. It's banned in Germany only.

Apart from that, please do not take my post personally. It was seriously not meant that way. I respect re-enactors who do it for the history or experience. It was meant more to those BAZILLION Americans posted facebook pictures of themselves in SS uniforms 'GUYS LOOK HOW COOL WE LOOK OMGGGGG'. 'CAN'T HAVE COWBOYS WITHOUT INDIANS LOLOLOL'. Screw that. Seriously, screw that. Fuck people who defend Nazi Germany or bring up excuses. Bleh.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on May 06, 2014, 01:03:16 am
Eh, for every hero there needs to be a villain. One can't really be angry at people for being pissed at German reenactors, I mean look at this:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmqwtsuDkQM[/youtube]

You realize how much shit these guys got right? Don't be so intent on believing that America's very kind of Uncle Adolf.


Speaking of which, maybe reenacting the Britisches Freikorps would be interesting...
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on May 06, 2014, 01:21:18 am
Zac does British Freikorp 


Also Duuring, its banned in France as well. 

Also great video, really sum up it well. I wasn't a fan of that party though, first of all. The host Scott Steben apparently had nazi tattoos and totenkopf clothing item. That kind of thing usually get you kicked out of the unit right away. And having the Reich Battle Flag and Swastika flag all over the place is just too much. Anyone can snap a few pic and boom. Shit storm which clearly just happened. I have been to a German club dinner once before a event. We were invited to attend in uniform, there was no flags, no ww2 theme stuff going on, just locals and several reenactors dining together and chat away about the war or why the fucking Blackhawks are on loosing streak. 


Edit: o BTW, because of that event. My unit established new rule thus banning any clothing item with swastika being worn out of event perimeter.  'Tis a good rule.
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Post by: ClearlyInvsible on May 06, 2014, 01:26:18 am
I'm still trying to find a good WWII unit in the Northeast, everyone here's either a Kraut, a Brit or a pasta dealer.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on May 06, 2014, 01:36:09 am
Zac does British Freikorp 

Zac is weird.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on May 06, 2014, 01:50:08 am
I'm still trying to find a good WWII unit in the Northeast, everyone here's either a Kraut, a Brit or a pasta dealer.


"pasta dealer" lol.

Here's couple of cents of mine. Chose whatever you want, remember you are paying money for it. So be sure to pick a impression that you will treat it like a baby.

However, I do encourage you to do ordinary infantry as possible. There's kinda a shortage of those guys. (Kraut - Heer, US - Infantry, British - Infantry derp, Canadians - Generally very small, so canadians would be badass way to go) Yeah, basically we have too many SS'ers going around making orgy with camo, too many Fallschrimjaegers cuz they wanna be "elite", good ol heer is needin' members.  Same goes for US, everyone wanna be 506th Easy Company, join the Infantry instead.

But, if you truly desire to be a paratrooper, go for it. It's your money. 

Also http://www.501stpir.com/reenactingorgunits.html
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on May 06, 2014, 02:14:24 am
God. Damn. It. No. Mass. Units. For. Canada.

I actually really want to do Canada, but I can't find anything QQ
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on May 06, 2014, 02:27:11 am
Oh yes, reenact the Canadian or Scottish troops that liberated my home city.
We still have a Scottish event (bagpipe music and stuff) once a year in honor of the Scottish troops who captured and (during the cold) war established a base here.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on May 06, 2014, 02:58:08 am
Chill out!



Now, Hoogstraten was amazing, the 85e people were super friendly and welcoming and I had a great time in their ranks.
I will surely join them for more events.

I will post some pics later when their all up.
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Post by: zac on May 06, 2014, 03:13:24 am
Hehe, Sorry


Haha ye, a few Aussies heading over there also, heard it was great :D
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: munky-wunky on May 06, 2014, 03:20:37 am
not this topic again.....

this is what happens

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Mr T on May 06, 2014, 08:32:46 am
Chill out!



Now, Hoogstraten was amazing, the 85e people were super friendly and welcoming and I had a great time in their ranks.
I will surely join them for more events.

I will post some pics later when their all up.

Good to hear! Heard lots of shouts of Vive l'Empereur! and was it you guys singing La Chant du Depart very rousingly on Saturday? :D
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on May 06, 2014, 10:02:12 am
Chill out!



Now, Hoogstraten was amazing, the 85e people were super friendly and welcoming and I had a great time in their ranks.
I will surely join them for more events.

I will post some pics later when their all up.

Good to hear! Heard lots of shouts of Vive l'Empereur! and was it you guys singing La Chant du Depart very rousingly on Saturday? :D
Yep, I think so, we sung a lot of songs amongst them was that one! :)
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Post by: joer5835 on May 06, 2014, 12:57:19 pm
Bloody frogs

I have but one thing to say to ye:




ORANJE BOVEN!!
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Post by: Duuring on May 06, 2014, 12:58:47 pm
ORANJE BOVEN!!
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Post by: Wolff on May 06, 2014, 01:14:31 pm
DUURING BOVEN!!!
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Post by: Vincenzo on May 06, 2014, 01:26:05 pm
ORANJE ONDER!
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Post by: Duuring on May 06, 2014, 01:27:28 pm
ORANJE ONDER!

Ssssssshut-it, 73e
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Mr T on May 06, 2014, 06:42:30 pm
Chill out!



Now, Hoogstraten was amazing, the 85e people were super friendly and welcoming and I had a great time in their ranks.
I will surely join them for more events.

I will post some pics later when their all up.

Good to hear! Heard lots of shouts of Vive l'Empereur! and was it you guys singing La Chant du Depart very rousingly on Saturday? :D
Yep, I think so, we sung a lot of songs amongst them was that one! :)

Awesome man, good guys the 85e and 45e, did you meet Duncan Miles the Captitaine of 45e? He's awesome
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on May 06, 2014, 06:53:55 pm
I always thought he was the commander of the 21e. You know, because he's in nearly every picture of the 21e, giving commands.
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Post by: Ililsa on May 06, 2014, 08:19:23 pm
So with my infinite talent for inadvertently avoiding cameras, it seems the only decent picture of me from Monday is in civvies, half drunk and staring intensely at a wall.

I'll be at a two day show later this month anyway, and hopefully my kit will be better by then.
Hopefully. Since I have no idea when my undershirts and linen coif are arriving :(
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on May 06, 2014, 08:31:25 pm
Mm baby, im interested in that half drunk photo.
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Post by: Ililsa on May 06, 2014, 09:44:07 pm
I'd share if it was just me but given that it's a panorama of the whole group taken after the show, my weird journalist morals stop me from plastering pictures everywhere.

That and I cba to crop 'cause it's a phone picture anyway. I'll throw a picture of the camp up in the photos thread, though.
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Post by: Olafson on May 06, 2014, 09:50:00 pm
Excuses. Just cut a part out of it!
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Post by: ClearlyInvsible on May 06, 2014, 10:14:06 pm
Y'all ever been tackled by toddlers when doing a living history event?

It feels soft.
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Post by: Ililsa on May 06, 2014, 10:21:39 pm
We let them shoot bows at us.

I got hit in the nuts twice. They're weirdly accurate when you give them a human target.
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Post by: ClearlyInvsible on May 06, 2014, 10:25:37 pm
Hm... maybe I should give them a musket loaded with a rubber pellet... my old Sergeant would shit his pants XD
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on May 06, 2014, 10:31:25 pm
Lolololol toddler tackles. Toddlers I mostly meet are usually napping in their cart, not giving a fuck about the war.

I've done some fair share of demonstration with younger folks. They always bring the best question in this hobby in my opinion.

"Why cant you use Tommy gun instead?"   

"Is it true that Captain America kicked your butt?"

"Why are you putting pixie stix in your gun?!"
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Post by: ClearlyInvsible on May 06, 2014, 10:33:33 pm
Best one I got was "If I pour coke down your gun, will it make that mentos fizzle?"

The minie ball was the mentos btw
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Post by: munky-wunky on May 07, 2014, 05:24:05 am
is da gun wrealll???
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on May 07, 2014, 05:49:52 am
Yes, I use it to shoot santa then run off with your Mother!
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Post by: Newkirk on May 07, 2014, 05:52:38 am
I used a muzzleloader in a haunted trail one year as a scare. Fired, guy yelled and then commented that it was a black powder rifle from the smell and smoke. Comes up later, "that weren't no real gun back there, they can't do that!" I laughed so hard, took another shot and scared him onto the trailer to leave ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: Captain America on May 07, 2014, 09:08:19 am
We camped in a park near Liverpool once for some kind of local event, the chav kids tried to nick our rifles and kept asking if the food we were eating was real. The LT wouldn't let us fix bayonets and see them off sadly
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Post by: joer5835 on May 07, 2014, 09:29:36 am
We camped in a park near Liverpool once for some kind of local event, the chav kids tried to nick our rifles and kept asking if the food we were eating was real. The LT wouldn't let us fix bayonets and see them off sadly

They just went full retard. Never go full retard.
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Post by: Landrik on May 08, 2014, 01:13:35 pm
Actually, I was with my dad at the range and he said that people typically perform better at marksmanship when firing at a human-shaped target. He's got gold marksmanship in pistol with the USMC, so I think he may know a thing or two. Still, very curious as to why that's the case.
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Post by: Duuring on May 08, 2014, 01:20:24 pm
I guess people like to imagine they're killing someone.
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Post by: Landrik on May 08, 2014, 01:31:28 pm
A couple hundreds of thousands of years of doing the same thing will be hard habits to break.
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Post by: Duuring on May 08, 2014, 01:43:39 pm
A couple hundreds of thousands of years of doing the same thing will be hard habits to break.

Especially if we keep making such fine instruments to do so.  :P
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Post by: Ililsa on May 08, 2014, 06:13:04 pm
I guess people like to imagine they're killing someone.

Kids are sociopaths.

One of the little buggers tried to shoot me in the face, I could see it in his eyes.
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Post by: ClearlyInvsible on May 08, 2014, 08:49:20 pm
Never give a kid a saber, they will try to shank someone with it.
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Post by: joer5835 on May 08, 2014, 09:00:53 pm
Don't tell me you never dreamed of wielding a sword as a kid, at least I did.

A friend of mine had a Rapier in his house (just don't ask why), damn thing was old and rusty and wouldn't even be able to cut butter but we loved it. God, I spent many days playing with that thing. I still regret to this day I never offered to buy it when he decided to donate it to a second hand store....What I wouldn't give to own that thing now.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on May 08, 2014, 09:15:14 pm
You have to remember we're americans. We dont "dream" of swords.   We dream of holding some all american guns baby. Mmmmmmmmmmmm M1 Garand, i want live fire it one day.
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Post by: Olafson on May 08, 2014, 09:48:00 pm
A Human sized target is easier to hit since it is larger. Besides that, it doesn't matter where you hit it, it will be going down, at "worst" to get cover.
That being said, targets usually don't move, humans do. It depends on the situation I guess.

I always was doing better at humans than at targets. We played around with our self made bows a lot when I was younger and I remember that I hit my friends much more often than a target.
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Post by: joer5835 on May 08, 2014, 09:57:21 pm
I used to be a beast at shooting with a toy rifle that shot rubber darts :P
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Post by: ClearlyInvsible on May 08, 2014, 10:08:33 pm
Am I the only guy who thinks of this song whenever he gets shot?

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKIocZ3WbgE&list=PL4jhN_YEKay0QJdGJk1tDBhIlfizTJwcG[/youtube]

Par the horrid disfiguration
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Post by: Landrik on May 09, 2014, 09:46:34 am
It wasn't so much it was that the target being bigger. It's more that people are very natural  to try and hit the chest and head with bows/guns/etc.

Yeah, we as humans make some amazingly effective killing machines.
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Post by: Duuring on May 14, 2014, 01:13:35 am
Spoiler
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.indie-1945-1950.nl%2Fweb%2Fopmars1epolactie.jpg&hash=3eb2bef595acee7bc46ecae416cae089f2ffacd1)
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To start a new impression...or to not start a new impression?
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Post by: ClearlyInvsible on May 14, 2014, 01:18:16 am
Er... I'm gonna guess those are Dutch/Indonesian troops?
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Post by: Duuring on May 14, 2014, 01:21:44 am
Yep. The Dutch Marine brigade that was trained in the USA to fight the Japs. Then suddenly the war ended (fucking nukes) and it was used to fight the Indonesian Nationalists.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on May 14, 2014, 02:42:47 am
Do it duuuuuuuuuuring do it.  8) 


South Pacific Swagger.
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Post by: ClearlyInvsible on May 14, 2014, 02:47:16 am
Pfff, please. Deserts of North Africa were more badass.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on May 14, 2014, 03:55:31 am
Pffffffffffffft please. North Africa was a romp compared to Pacific
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Post by: ClearlyInvsible on May 14, 2014, 04:17:16 am
Say that to the Desert Rats and the Legion at Al Alamain.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on May 14, 2014, 05:08:48 am
Say that to the Desert Rats and the Legion at Al Alamain.


Say that to bataan death march, Guadalcanal, Tarawa, Iwo Jima, Cape Glouscester, and Okinawa.

I rather to fight in Africa than hell in Pacific though.
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Post by: Millander on May 14, 2014, 05:22:12 am
Picketts Mill coming up!
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on May 14, 2014, 05:38:50 am
Leaving to 150th Resaca this thursday, doing a caravan with my unit. It will be on original ground. Should be great and last time they burned a cabin as well.
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Post by: munky-wunky on May 14, 2014, 04:52:08 pm
150th New Market!
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Post by: Wolff on May 14, 2014, 05:06:23 pm
being part of the british sunday of a horsie racecourse. WOW such reenactment, such battle, much action WOW
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Post by: Duuring on May 14, 2014, 05:15:35 pm
Wat?
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Post by: Ililsa on May 14, 2014, 05:29:30 pm
Go home, Wolff. You're drunk.
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Post by: Wolff on May 14, 2014, 05:30:26 pm
 ;D  well this weekend  the "Landesausstellung: Als die Royals aus Hannover kamen" (museum stuff for 300 years personalunion)  has it's grand opening. And there was some realy great program planned with the KGL and british military and someone of the british royals. But now we got a new governement in Niedersachsen adn the ucraine-conflict....so us and the british military are not wanted no more for the official program of le grand opening (u know - we r all militarists bro).
So a hannoverian pony racecourse is doing a british sunday (british market n stuff) and asked us to be part of their program...
 :'(

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Go home, Wolff. You're drunk.

shut up white (?) nigguh. it's one of le few times I ain't drunk - I wish I would be but tommorrow I got a big exam. So shut up or get a Schelle  :-*
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Post by: Duuring on May 14, 2014, 05:34:51 pm
Hanover and Britian, united then, united now <3
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Post by: Wolff on May 14, 2014, 05:36:55 pm
yep britain is a German colony   


 ???
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Post by: Duuring on May 14, 2014, 05:51:36 pm
The British are just a collection of German, Danish and French immigrants who killed or enslaved all the celts.
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Post by: Wolff on May 14, 2014, 06:01:13 pm
ja german power killed all the celts. Brutale Vernichtung. gut, ja?
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Post by: Ililsa on May 14, 2014, 07:04:33 pm
The English are just a collection of German, Danish and French immigrants who killed or enslaved all the celts.

Had to do the opposite of the usual correction this time. There's still plenty of celtic and gaelic peoples in the UK, mostly pushed into the unpleasant mountainous areas that the Angles, Saxons, Vikings and Normans didn't want. Jutes too, I suppose, but they didn't settle much of Britain.

Probably less viking heritage further south too, because of the Danelaw.

There's probably some Norwegian viking descended sorts in Scotland, but I doubt there are too many, who really wants to settle in Wales and Scotland?
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Post by: ClearlyInvsible on May 14, 2014, 08:49:44 pm
Say that to the Desert Rats and the Legion at Al Alamain.


Say that to bataan death march, Guadalcanal, Tarawa, Iwo Jima, Cape Glouscester, and Okinawa.

I didn't say the fighting was more brutal, I said it was a harder fight. The Japs fell against the US pretty much by itself meanwhile the combined forces of the FFF, Britain and the US still had hell and a hacksaw to go through.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on May 14, 2014, 09:10:55 pm
Say that to the Desert Rats and the Legion at Al Alamain.


Say that to bataan death march, Guadalcanal, Tarawa, Iwo Jima, Cape Glouscester, and Okinawa.

I didn't say the fighting was more brutal, I said it was a harder fight. The Japs fell against the US pretty much by itself meanwhile the combined forces of the FFF, Britain and the US still had hell and a hacksaw to go through.


The war in Africa lasted 2 years and opponent had honor to surrender or carry out prisoners. While the war in Pacific lasted 3 years and if it wasnt for that atomic bomb, could last another year or two, fighting japs who refuse to surrender, takes no prisoners, using civillians as bodyshield, targeted unarmed medic, the Marines had to drop Genevea convention to kill all japs because a wounded jap would use his last grenade. Okinawa took 3 month of heavy fighting on a island that's only 400 miles. 

The war in Africa was pure tactical war. open ground warfare, produced heroes out of that battlefield. But I honestly believe the Pacific was the hardest battle that American and the Commonwealth had to go through. 


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Post by: ClearlyInvsible on May 14, 2014, 09:12:21 pm
They may have not surrendered, but they're troop quality was shit enough that it really didn't matter.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on May 14, 2014, 09:18:47 pm
Now saying jap quality was shit is not true. I am sure they held largest empire in the world around that time. Japs even gave the Britain and her commonwealth force hard time. Australia was threatened if it wasn't for our stand at Guadalcanal.   

Surely they may have reduced their strength as war go by, but thats natural. The Wehrmacht, a army that took Europe in one year by 1944, virtually had nothing to spare. Using surplus from other countries or ww1 stuff. The shovel carrier was made out of some mixture of papers. 

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Post by: ClearlyInvsible on May 14, 2014, 09:21:39 pm
I mean training-wise Vince, and equipment-wise also. The Japanese may have defeated British troops, but they were made up of mainly Sepoys. The average Japanese soldier didn't have even half the training of a US Marine or a British soldier. I mean look at the battle of Midway, the Japs had the US outnumbered and they still lost horribly, their entire navy was crippled!

And don't get me started on Japanese weaponry and armor, I've seen some paper-mache level shit in my life but I think the Italians may have had better tanks then these guys.
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Post by: Duuring on May 14, 2014, 09:24:29 pm
Just ignore the Dutch, right?  :'(
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on May 14, 2014, 09:29:08 pm
Well it's hard to say about tanks since US tanks also were wiped out and considered useless most of time. Japs understood this as well, thats why most tanks are designed as "artillery", dig a hole in mountain and place her there.   

Only reason why japs sucked, their tactic. Beyond outdated. Banzai charges against well produced defense? Pure stupidty indeed 

But this war was pretty similar to Vietnam, night attack, creeping through the jungles, playing mind games at night, and leaving horrific display of bruality with US bodies.  No matter how better armed we were, we were still loosing Marines and soldiers by tons and many, out with mental collapse.
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Post by: Duuring on May 14, 2014, 09:52:26 pm
Imagine the soviets invading Japan. Banzai-charges against human waves attacks. Ze slaughter.
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Post by: ClearlyInvsible on May 14, 2014, 10:08:12 pm
US casualties were 354,523 dead and wounded, the Japs had 2,133,915 along with an extra 1.2 million dead Chinese collaborators that fought alongside the Japanese(Won't include them due to a small amount fought against actual US troops). For every one man we lost they lost 5. That's not a hard fight, it's a damned slaughter. Sure it was brutal, sure it was fucked up, sure it was probably the harshest fighting seen at that point of history, but the Japanese still lost many, MANY more men, and in the end it was a steamroll.

Meanwhile in Africa it was 220,000 Brit losses, 20,000 lost Free French and 18,221(And the US was here for what, half a year?) against 22,341 Italian casualties and 21,994 for the Germans. Even if you tack on the Vichy fucks(3,343 total) the Allies still took EXTREME Casualties compared to the Pacific.

Also Duuring, the Dutch lost 900 people in combat. You did lose a good 8,000 in deathcamps though, so God help those poor souls.
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Post by: Duuring on May 14, 2014, 10:18:27 pm
The KNIL lost 900 people. The navy another 1.600. We will refrain from the civilian casualties for now.

It's not correct to consider the Japanese camps 'death camps' as those camps weren't built with the sole purpose of having men killed in it. The Japanese were mostly unconcerned whether the men, or civilians, lived or died.
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Post by: ClearlyInvsible on May 14, 2014, 10:22:13 pm
If you capture civilians and don't try to keep them alive, it's a deathcamp in my book.

I'll avoid the plunge into the "Was the atom bomb justified" argument for the sake of what little sanity I have left.
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Post by: Duuring on May 14, 2014, 10:30:42 pm
Oh, it was. Didn't just save Allied and commie lives, but also Japan as a people and a nation.

Oh, and let's not forget the Dutch resistance in the East-Indies. We often hear and read about Japanese soldiers that retreated into the jungle for years after the surrender, but there were hundreds of Dutchmen with thousands of natives that were in active resistance against the Japanese, often meeting a very cruel fate. I just had to mention them.

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Post by: DeoVindice61 on May 14, 2014, 10:30:53 pm
Imagine the soviets invading Japan. Banzai-charges against human waves attacks. Ze slaughter.
 

They did, Manchuria. Soviet destoryed a japanese army group there. Because of that battle and the atomic bomb, japs surrendered.


Clearly, you forgot to include the Chinese who fought against japs, 4 million losses. 

http://pwencycl.kgbudge.com/C/a/Casualties.htm (http://pwencycl.kgbudge.com/C/a/Casualties.htm) 


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Post by: ClearlyInvsible on May 14, 2014, 10:34:45 pm
First, it was 3.8 mill.

Second, for every 1 AMERICAN who died 5 JAPANESE soldiers died. I'm not including the rest of the allies, the Chinese Collaborators, Indian defectors or the soldiers from the government of Thailand either.

If anything, I'll give the Japs credit for surviving as long as they did even though they were fighting a 3 front war.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on May 14, 2014, 10:40:10 pm
3.8 mil or 4 mil. Same to me, too many people died that's for sure.
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Post by: Duuring on May 19, 2014, 01:00:36 pm
You know why Napoleonic Re-enactment is just 10 times better then ACW?

This is why.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1.0-9/10371589_10152346809952936_3486159167442326177_n.jpg)
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Post by: Vincenzo on May 19, 2014, 01:07:14 pm
Yep they are awesome.
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Post by: munky-wunky on May 19, 2014, 02:40:08 pm
so gay is cav. They think there so special.

Well us ACW have numbers :P and you don't.
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Post by: Duuring on May 19, 2014, 02:48:21 pm
It doesn't count if 90% is farb that won't wear their belts up the proper height out of laziness.
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Post by: munky-wunky on May 19, 2014, 02:51:49 pm
It doesn't count if 90% is farb that won't wear their belts up the proper height out of laziness.

You have never experienced  5,000 muskets firing at once.
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Post by: Duuring on May 19, 2014, 02:54:51 pm
You've never experienced having 20 horses riding straight at you then moving at the last second. Or experienced being charged by hundreds of men? HMMM? HMMM?
Besides, ACW guns always seem to give less of a bang.

I CAN DO THIS ALL DAY, HONEY. MMHMM.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on May 19, 2014, 02:56:24 pm
Cav do fight infantry in ACW. Just rarely done in history. Cuz cav get owned by the rifles. Stupid cavalry. All they did was scouting and raiding that's it.


ACW, the war that proved Napolenic warfare was dumbest creation on earth.

Sad part is that you nitwits in Europe didn't catch that until years later like ww1.

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Post by: Duuring on May 19, 2014, 02:57:47 pm
You should do a tat more research into the '66-'71 period of German history.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on May 19, 2014, 02:58:21 pm
Only Germany got the hint?
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Post by: munky-wunky on May 19, 2014, 03:04:18 pm
german military swag.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on May 19, 2014, 03:15:00 pm
Naturally. Or should I say natürlich


Acw is better than NW simply because, we don't have a rainbow company, we don't have high chance of misfires, we don't have to stress march in rhythm. We have better guns...repeating rifles, good OL Springfield and Enfield. We have more numbers of authentic reenactor than you do, and we have authentic battalion unlike you shove authentic with farbs making them look less authentic.

We have the best campaigner look and our officers was elected by popularity. Most of time military experience mean more popular. Unlike napoleonic, whoever had the money get the rank. Pft.

In result, we look more manly than you napoleonic folks.
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Post by: Duuring on May 19, 2014, 03:28:53 pm
All because your stuff is cheaper. Bleeeh. Nah. We can talk about this forever. Let's say that both periods have their advantages and disadvantages?  :P

Seriously, I'd love to do ACW. For the exact reason you described. Uniformity is better, you can do more authenic campaigning stuff. Seriously, I'd love it. Sadly, I live in Europe. What's the deal with Europe? Well, for one, people tend to be much less connected to their history. And we have less space. Seriously. I live in one of the densely populated countries of the world - Nothing to do about it. I'm not going to worry about that. I worry about the stuff that I can change, and I believe that we should look at every re-enactor as an individual, and then at his group, and not higher. It's not the fault of fantastic-authentic-looking group that there are two farby groups on both flanks. Just like it's not your fault when someone takes a picture of you in the line, and there's a guy with modern glasses from another group in the background. Anywaaaay....

Quote
We have the best campaigner look and our officers was elected by popularity. Most of time military experience mean more popular. Unlike napoleonic, whoever had the money get the rank. Pft

That's not trueeee. Nein. You people have those 'character' guys as well that walk around in lieutenant-general-uniform that nobody really likes. Same here. And same goes for company officers. People are elected by vote on popularity and capability. The only difference being (Yes) the DI group where theoretically it's done like that, but in practice it's entirely up to the CO/president (same guy). But we don't like that group anyway. Bleh.
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Post by: Vincenzo on May 19, 2014, 03:40:56 pm
It doesn't count if 90% is farb that won't wear their belts up the proper height out of laziness.

You have never experienced  5,000 muskets firing at once.
Yes I have.

Leipzig 2013 <3


Enough of the "were better than you" crap anyway.

let me dig up a quote;
Were all reenactors, despite what period we do. We all hate farbs and we all spend too much money on a hobby, lets keep it cool folks.


Be polite, cheers!
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Post by: Duuring on May 19, 2014, 03:51:13 pm
Let's all unite in calling Vince a farb.
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Post by: Vincenzo on May 19, 2014, 03:54:16 pm
 :o  you would be lying.
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Post by: Duuring on May 19, 2014, 03:57:44 pm
Duuring does not lie. Duuring is truth.
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Post by: munky-wunky on May 19, 2014, 04:35:03 pm
Sadly, I live in Europe. What's the deal with Europe? Well, for one, people tend to be much less connected to their history. And we have less space. Seriously. I live in one of the densely populated countries of the world - Nothing to do about it.

space

SPACE

wtf does that have do with not being able to do reenacting

thats the most bullshit excuse i have seen.
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Post by: Duuring on May 19, 2014, 05:00:05 pm
Meaning we can't have a battle without modern buildings everyyyyywheeeerrreeeeee. Or do long marches.

Belgium is the exception. Because Belgium is anarchy.
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Post by: Wolff on May 19, 2014, 05:04:08 pm
in the netherlands you can't move a 100 men big line for a few metres without hitting a house, a channel or the Sea  :P
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Post by: Duuring on May 19, 2014, 05:08:11 pm
Or a windmill.
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Post by: Wolff on May 19, 2014, 05:09:48 pm
Or a windmill.

or gouda cheese or miss antje
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Post by: Duuring on May 19, 2014, 05:23:19 pm
We must expand.

ASSEMBLE THE ARMIES
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi39.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fe161%2FJufCynthia%2Fverenigdkoninkrijk.jpg&hash=cfed68ff46aa90527ae483364d932071bcab3e0e)
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Post by: Wolff on May 19, 2014, 05:29:43 pm
D:


woooooooo
don't exaggerate brooooo. Flandres ok, but le rest is like
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fblogs.taz.de%2Fwp-inst%2Fwp-content%2Fblogs.dir%2F10%2Ffiles%2F2006%2F11%2FNeapel.jpg&hash=cab4e1698ebf10ff9dd0bdebdecc648d48cb8c04)
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Post by: Duuring on May 19, 2014, 05:37:10 pm
Exaggerating would be if we would reclaim East-Frisia and our old colonies as well.
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Post by: joer5835 on May 19, 2014, 05:42:12 pm
And New York.

Remmeber children, New York = Niew Amsterdam = DUTCH, GIVE IT BACK DIRTY YANKS
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on May 19, 2014, 05:43:20 pm
Let's all unite in calling Vince a farb.


Pls. You jelly that Vince looked good at his first event. No one looks good at their first event.

Let us all agree the British are nation of farbs ? 


And Joer, take New York. Go ahead I hate New York so much. So overrated and flithy. GO AHEAD AND TAKE IT BACK!!!
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Post by: Vincenzo on May 19, 2014, 06:26:15 pm
:D New Amsterdam is OURS!

I will perhaps get my habite veste before my next event, I found wool for the Greatcoat and will probably get this sometime next month made by Shakos GBL.

After that I pretty much have full kit.
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Post by: Duuring on May 19, 2014, 06:32:02 pm
Except da gun.
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Post by: Vincenzo on May 19, 2014, 07:00:42 pm
Shh dutch laws suck, will cost me a year to convince them.  :(

If I could I would buy one.
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Post by: Jelly on May 19, 2014, 07:05:36 pm
Let us all agree the British are nation of farbs ? 
BRITBONG TO THE RESCUE
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Post by: Duuring on May 19, 2014, 07:09:38 pm
UNITED KINGDOM OF FARB-IAN
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Post by: Jelly on May 19, 2014, 07:12:08 pm
i em capitaine britbong an i have com to defend britens honor11!1 (and to bring some autism, which will probably intensify)
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Post by: ClearlyInvsible on May 19, 2014, 08:49:51 pm
So, my uncle joined a 71st reenactment group in Edinburgh. He says it's fun, and invited me to join him for Waterloo.

But my parents say I need to choose either Waterloo or Gettysburg... help
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Post by: Wolff on May 19, 2014, 08:52:37 pm
waterloo: 200 years

gettysburg: some shit year anniversary
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Post by: ClearlyInvsible on May 19, 2014, 08:54:15 pm
Eh...

Well I would get to wear my favorite Napoleonic War regiment uniform...
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Post by: joer5835 on May 19, 2014, 08:57:29 pm
Come to the Waterloo side, we have nice uniforms.
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Post by: Duuring on May 19, 2014, 09:13:16 pm
Seriously. 200th Waterloo versus 152th something Gettysburg? See you at Hougoumont.
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Post by: ClearlyInvsible on May 19, 2014, 09:14:35 pm
I do get to shoot French people...
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Post by: munky-wunky on May 19, 2014, 09:15:01 pm
waterloo: 200 years

gettysburg: some shit year anniversary

waterloo? you mean when all of Europe came to piss on each other?

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Post by: Duuring on May 19, 2014, 09:15:35 pm
No, it's that place in Belgium where we royally took the piss at the French. And there were some Brits around, too. I think.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on May 19, 2014, 09:29:52 pm
It's some gay pride parade Munk. Rainbow and shit.


152 Gettysburg? Y'all gay for focusing on eastern campaign.

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Post by: Duuring on May 19, 2014, 09:30:40 pm
It's some gay pride parade Munk. Rainbow and shit.

Okay Ethan. We got it. The joke is getting slightly old.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on May 19, 2014, 09:31:30 pm
Then shut the fuck up about which one is better.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on May 19, 2014, 09:37:46 pm
God damn man, calm down.

Did I miss something over the past 3 pages?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on May 19, 2014, 09:39:06 pm
Yeah, where's your impression clearly?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on May 19, 2014, 09:40:02 pm
I'm gonna do some reading, when I come back I expect to see all of y'all singing kumbaya or some shit.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on May 19, 2014, 09:41:25 pm
We will if you post a picture of yourself in uniform.

Right, Ethan?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on May 19, 2014, 09:42:39 pm
No! I refuse to post a picture of myself in uniform after the last time I posted my face on these forums!
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on May 19, 2014, 09:43:37 pm
Then post picture of your uniform.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on May 19, 2014, 09:44:17 pm
Yeah, that works too.
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Post by: ClearlyInvsible on May 19, 2014, 09:45:18 pm
Here, it's the company I'm joining during a ceremony.

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.18thmass.com%2Fblog%2Fmedia%2F2%2F20061220-28th%2520Mass%2520Re-enactors.jpg&hash=95cd77f80ffcdb338d6da7d8c4edd6e8cc38cd1c)
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Post by: Duuring on May 19, 2014, 09:47:47 pm
Some Irish brigade unit?

Thought you did 14th Brooklyn?
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Post by: ClearlyInvsible on May 19, 2014, 09:49:28 pm
14th is the BCoF regiment I'm in, Diplex leads it XD

This is the 28th Mass Company B
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on May 19, 2014, 09:50:13 pm
That's not a picture of your gear.
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Post by: ClearlyInvsible on May 19, 2014, 09:52:26 pm
Ugh, let me just get my reenactment equipment list, it's got pictures and shite if you go to the sites...

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1s92zVIQbJvdL-59_i7abCwMFLTqyh53_OgaQNCjiOR8/edit
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on May 19, 2014, 09:53:10 pm
A member here is joining 28th Mass Co B as well. 

But that's the freaking unit pic from ages ago. WE WANT YOU
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on May 19, 2014, 09:54:00 pm
Ugh, let me just get my reenactment equipment list, it's got pictures and shite if you go to the sites...

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1s92zVIQbJvdL-59_i7abCwMFLTqyh53_OgaQNCjiOR8/edit

BUT THAT'S NOT A PICTURE OF YOUR GEAR.

Seriously, Clearly. No offense, but for all we know, you could have been pulling our leg all this time. We're getting...suspicious.
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Post by: ClearlyInvsible on May 19, 2014, 09:55:43 pm
Ugh, let me just get my reenactment equipment list, it's got pictures and shite if you go to the sites...

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1s92zVIQbJvdL-59_i7abCwMFLTqyh53_OgaQNCjiOR8/edit

BUT THAT'S NOT A PICTURE OF YOUR GEAR.

Seriously, Clearly. No offense, but for all we know, you could have been pulling our leg all this time. We're getting...suspicious.

Mmfm...

Fine, I'll take a picture next time I can get my hands on a proper camera. And when my new sack coat comes in.

Duuring when I go to Belgium I'm making sure to shoot your stupid hussar ass!
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Post by: Duuring on May 19, 2014, 09:56:34 pm
HMMMMMMMMMMMMM

Duuring when I go to Belgium I'm making sure to shoot your stupid hussar ass!

We're allied, silly Scot.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on May 19, 2014, 09:57:15 pm
Don't make us wait too long.
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Post by: ClearlyInvsible on May 19, 2014, 09:58:18 pm
Don't make us wait too long.

Well I could take it now if you want to see me in a Cavalry shell jacket.

Look, I'm sorry guys. I just don't like... showing people my face. It's weird as hell for me.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on May 19, 2014, 09:59:54 pm
Take a piece of paper, write 'Hi Ethan & Duuring', put that on your kit and take picture of your kit. DONE. No faces necessary.
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Post by: ClearlyInvsible on May 19, 2014, 10:02:07 pm
Calling Deo ethan is as weird.

THIS IS TOO WIERD. GOD DAMN IT

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic1.fjcdn.com%2Fthumbnails%2Fcomments%2Fthumbeldore%2Brolls%2B427%2B965%2B370%2BSomeone%2Bput%2Babandon%2Bthread%2Bon%2Bit%2B_bbd69ebef2a8dd746cfed3c8a828f5c6.gif&hash=733b6deb5d1635e1e1bab5c851358502becbc5bf)

When I get the new sack coat I'll do it, I figure y'all deserve to see my actual new loadout.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on May 19, 2014, 10:05:44 pm
No it ain't. It's my bloody name.


Stranger call me Deo, friends call me cook. Or in this case Ethan.


Cavalry she'll jacket? Why do you have that in first place?!?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on May 19, 2014, 10:11:16 pm
Well, when I first started this stuff, I did some... stuff with a Cavalry regiment. Uncle sent me the uniform as a gift, had to buy the damned Carbine and boots though. Only did a single event when I discovered that I had much more fun doing the infantry stuff, so I'm prob going to send this stuff off to... well I don't know honestly.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on May 19, 2014, 10:14:31 pm
Dismounted cavalry... Bleh.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on May 19, 2014, 10:32:41 pm
Post photo of your carbine pl0x. I like guns.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on May 19, 2014, 10:33:24 pm
I'll throw it in there along with the Colt Army I found at a museum.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Devmc99 on May 20, 2014, 02:43:17 am
Question for Cavalry reenactors here, how hard is it to be a cav reenactor compared to lets say infantry. For groups you are expected to own your own horse correct? So that adds to the responsibility and the price. Just want to see the opinion of any Cav reenactor here. Also the training and the performance of everything in events.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on May 20, 2014, 02:48:36 am
I'll leave this to the EUs, they actually use their horses.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on May 20, 2014, 03:29:37 am
Question for Cavalry reenactors here, how hard is it to be a cav reenactor compared to lets say infantry. For groups you are expected to own your own horse correct? So that adds to the responsibility and the price. Just want to see the opinion of any Cav reenactor here. Also the training and the performance of everything in events.
 

This is right up in Duuring's alley. But keep in mind, hes EU, probably different than US but i'd imagine the attitude and challenge will be the same.


DUURING GET YOUR WHITE ASS OVER HERE
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Post by: Ililsa on May 20, 2014, 03:58:22 am
Horses are usually a rental job, which definitely adds to price.

My group is actually considering adding a cavalry aspect just to broaden what we can do, I'm considering joining in but may not as I'm bad enough at the moment with my feet on the ground.
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Post by: Duuring on May 20, 2014, 11:18:04 am
DUURING GET YOUR WHITE ASS OVER HERE

Jeez, people. I need mah sleep too. But yes, it's straight up my alley.

Question for Cavalry reenactors here, how hard is it to be a cav reenactor compared to lets say infantry. For groups you are expected to own your own horse correct? So that adds to the responsibility and the price. Just want to see the opinion of any Cav reenactor here. Also the training and the performance of everything in events.

For a start; It's different. It's seriously not infantry + horse, it really is a different kind of re-enactment. Authentic campaigning and stuff like that is suddenly really hard to do, because you 1. got so much shit and 2. have to take care of the horse. In my group, we have no add-on-members, so we can't keep a fire burning or have someone cook for us. That being said, we do have one campaign event every 2 years (La boissere) and everybody goes full campaign there. Which is why I won't go to those events until I got full campaign gear.

Hard? Well, as hard as it is to ride a horse in formation. The more you train, the better it gets. It's certainly harder then infantry simply because you're not moving yourself, but instead you are moving a very big beast that might throw you off just for the heck of it. Three of our eight members have own horses, the others, including me, rent them. If possible, we rent them at the same stables we also do exercise-days. So while the horses are rentals, they are a little bit more 'ours'. We're very lucky to have that. But sometimes you gotta go with local rental and that might or might not work out.

However, as for money - We usually get paid by the event-organizers (cos they like cav and all). I've done two mounted events now, and first time it cost me 50 euros, and the second - zip.

Ililsa, do you have riding experience?
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Post by: Wolff on May 20, 2014, 01:02:48 pm
so much farbfeelings on the horsie racecourse....  :'(
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on May 20, 2014, 03:12:54 pm
Not to mention, ACW event in US dont pay you to come at all. That stopped in 1990's or whatever. They used to pay you little and give you small bucket of black powder. Now its all 10 dollah to get in and you bring your own damn black powder. 
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on May 20, 2014, 05:25:32 pm
Here it's 'No blackpowder? No re-enactors".
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Post by: Olafson on May 20, 2014, 05:34:59 pm
In most states it is way easier to get though.
In Europe it is quite hard, especially considering that you are often crossing countries when you want to reenact.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on May 20, 2014, 05:50:37 pm
So?

I believe it's harder to cross state-borders then it is to cross national borders in the EU due to Schengen.
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Post by: Vincenzo on May 20, 2014, 06:01:39 pm
So?

I believe it's harder to cross state-borders then it is to cross national borders in the EU due to Schengen.
wrong.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on May 20, 2014, 06:04:31 pm
Just because you like a drug-dealer...  :P
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Post by: Vincenzo on May 20, 2014, 06:06:27 pm
German police/customs always think: Dutch guy > drugdealer, Dutch guy in newish BMW 3series > OMG STOP HIM HES A DRUG DEALER LETS TEAR HIS CAR APART TO FIND IT.

I bet you that doesn't happen if you cross over to another state.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on May 20, 2014, 06:12:25 pm
They take one look into my blue Uberrasche eyes and I can continue my travels.
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Post by: joer5835 on May 20, 2014, 06:19:23 pm
Yeah, I don't really have the looks of a drug dealer, so I've never had nay problems like that.
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Post by: Ililsa on May 20, 2014, 07:24:45 pm
Ililsa, do you have riding experience?

Very little, but there are going to be lessons available to anyone interested.
It's probably rare anyone will want us on horses, but for bigger events it'll be cool having some actual mounted knights at least.
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Post by: Olafson on May 20, 2014, 08:48:08 pm
I am not talking about that. I am talking about the different gun and blackpowder laws. For example, if you are transporting gunpowder in Germany, you have to call the police before you do it and register your drive from wherever to whever you take your powder.

Obviously it is very rare that anyone will ever check your car or you, but in case it happens you are screwed.
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Post by: Vorposten on May 20, 2014, 09:22:36 pm
I am not talking about that. I am talking about the different gun and blackpowder laws. For example, if you are transporting gunpowder in Germany, you have to call the police before you do it and register your drive from wherever to whever you take your powder.

I heard of this, but we didn't do that, because we have only a few amount of gunpowder :D
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on May 24, 2014, 05:19:56 pm
So, going to an event from Tuesday till Sunday...
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Post by: Olafson on May 24, 2014, 05:34:23 pm
Tuesday? That's quite long.
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Post by: Vincenzo on May 24, 2014, 05:55:27 pm
I thought Bathmen starts on Thursday next week?
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Post by: joer5835 on May 24, 2014, 07:29:22 pm
It starts on Thursday, but you kinda want to get there earlier to set up tents and get settled in and stuff.
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Post by: Vincenzo on May 24, 2014, 08:15:12 pm
but tuesday?
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Post by: joer5835 on May 24, 2014, 08:54:55 pm
Don't question Duuring's logic. Just don't.
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Post by: Duuring on May 24, 2014, 11:52:58 pm
I volunteered to help set up the field works.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on May 26, 2014, 08:23:42 pm
Aaaaaand I wont be at Bathmen till friday.

My unit is going on friday, and I rather not sit there for two days without anybody I know or without a tent for that matter.
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Post by: Ililsa on May 26, 2014, 09:58:58 pm
Just got back from my first weekend event. My nose is burnt red and my ankles are killing me but it was absolutely amazing.

I managed to borrow some soft-kit so there should be some decent pictures up in a couple of days.
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Post by: Olafson on May 31, 2014, 07:46:41 pm
Just back from Bathmen. I left a day earlier to avoid driving 4 hours with the train in full equipment and to see some of our families friends again. I did not see them for almost 2 years now.

Anyway, Bathmen was quite nice, just a shame that I do not have the European Fire Weapons pass yet. Vince broke his canteen and had to buy a new one and I broke my shoes on the first day.
Luckily it was dry, so I could still walk with them but they now have 2 large holes on the sides...
Duuring should have had a nice time too. As far as I can tell there was a lot of cavalry action going on.
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Post by: DanyEle on May 31, 2014, 08:59:47 pm
Just back from Bathmen. I left a day earlier to avoid driving 4 hours with the train in full equipment and to see some of our families friends again. I did not see them for almost 2 years now.

Anyway, Bathmen was quite nice, just a shame that I do not have the European Fire Weapons pass yet. Vince broke his canteen and had to buy a new one and I broke my shoes on the first day.
Luckily it was dry, so I could still walk with them but they now have 2 large holes on the sides...
Duuring should have had a nice time too. As far as I can tell there was a lot of cavalry action going on.

Some pics of you and Vincenzo? :D
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Post by: Olafson on May 31, 2014, 11:44:36 pm
I did not make any, but I am sure they will be some on monday or tuesday.
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Post by: joer5835 on June 01, 2014, 09:14:12 pm
Bathmen was quite nice, chaps.

My first event with my new glasses, I think I looked quite good.

But damn, that parade was long. And quite a big amount of spectators too.
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Post by: Vincenzo on June 01, 2014, 09:21:31 pm
awesome event, very tiring, but awesome. 

Olaf had to leave early which was a shame, the Sunday battle was much more awesome.

And F*ck the one who drew the parade plan to do AFTER the battle on sunday, how to troll your reenactors, nice job organization!
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Post by: joer5835 on June 01, 2014, 09:29:47 pm
They should have done it on friday evening or something, like at Hoogstraten.

Then it's bearable.
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Post by: Vincenzo on June 01, 2014, 10:17:20 pm
Just having a parade through town is doable, zigzagging up and down the town making it a 4 kilometer+ parade marching in pas is just horrible. especially just after a extensive battle.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on June 01, 2014, 10:52:59 pm
Pls... All you did was walking. I had to run across field and hit the dirt right away with full combat gear and a tent rolled up repeatly then get kicked around by Amis and being screamed in ear asking if I speak English.  In 88 degree. Thank god my unit drop out the ostfront battle. 4 battle and 5 skit really break you down fast.


I'm jelly of US solider gear. No wonder why the German lost the war. However was a great event. Pic coming soon.
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Post by: Olafson on June 01, 2014, 11:11:28 pm
Well, good that I did not stay till Sunday. I am not sure if I could have managed to walk 4+ KM with broken shoes. When I came back home the sole on the left shoe fell of completely. 2 Large holes and a shoe without a sole... Not perfect for marches!

I need some better shoes next times. I used these for 3 days and they are already completely wrecked...
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Post by: Duuring on June 01, 2014, 11:34:50 pm
What's this thing you call 'walking' ?
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Post by: Olafson on June 01, 2014, 11:59:53 pm
Oh please.
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Post by: Mr. Kochi on June 02, 2014, 06:24:29 pm
A little random comment.

While looking around on Facebook I came across a... strange reenactment unit. Some blokes decided it would be a good idea to reenact a WW2 Fallschirmjager unit, with nazi flags all over the place, in CHILE.

I can understand reenacting WW2 in the US, Canada or Europe... but Chile?
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Post by: Duuring on June 02, 2014, 06:36:49 pm
And fucking fallschirmjägers too.
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Post by: Landrik on June 02, 2014, 08:27:46 pm
I think people should reenacting anything anywhere.
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Post by: Captain America on June 02, 2014, 09:08:57 pm
True, but it'd be nice if there were more Heer units
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Post by: Duuring on June 02, 2014, 09:50:33 pm
I just never really understood why Fallschirmjägers are so popular and considered elite troops. The only two times the Germans tried big paratroop landing were in the Netherlands and Crete, and both times it didn't went so well.
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Post by: Devmc99 on June 02, 2014, 09:55:23 pm
Going to my first event this Friday. Not a battle, its a encampment. But still gonna do firing drills and other fun stuff. Will be a first fun experience.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on June 02, 2014, 09:58:07 pm
I just never really understood why Fallschirmjägers are so popular and considered elite troops. The only two times the Germans tried big paratroop landing were in the Netherlands and Crete, and both times it didn't went so well.


its funny because last weekend, 400 reenactors showed up and only two fallschrimjaegers. They were 50 years old farts.
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Post by: joer5835 on June 02, 2014, 10:07:44 pm
Going to my first event this Friday. Not a battle, its a encampment. But still gonna do firing drills and other fun stuff. Will be a first fun experience.

Nice. What period and unit?
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Post by: Devmc99 on June 02, 2014, 10:38:57 pm
American Civil war era and 28th Massachusetts "Irish Brigade"
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Post by: munky-wunky on June 03, 2014, 04:39:01 am
Going to my first event this Friday. Not a battle, its a encampment. But still gonna do firing drills and other fun stuff. Will be a first fun experience.


yay awesome dude!
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Post by: zac on June 03, 2014, 09:52:51 am
Me Ist Back!!!!

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Post by: George385 on June 03, 2014, 09:54:41 am
Me Ist Back!!!!

das ist good  ;D
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Post by: Wolff on June 03, 2014, 11:19:42 am
Oh mein Gott! Das Zac ist back D8
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Post by: Vorposten on June 03, 2014, 04:47:19 pm
Sadly, there aren't a lot of pics from Montmirail or Bathmen....  :-\

But there are a lot of pics from my event in Stolpen, happened to the same time:  ;D

Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.790434217658111.1073741836.151799728188233&type=3)
and the other source (http://www.flickr.com/photos/andreasspringer/sets/72157644528516998/)
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Post by: Vincenzo on June 03, 2014, 04:54:30 pm
Pics are slowely dripping in have patience!.

Btw, it sucks to run 3 events on the same weekend, way to split the reenactor attendance.
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Post by: Vorposten on June 03, 2014, 05:37:17 pm
there were only 120-150 reenactors in Stolpen. And I wasn't able to go outside germany, so I went to this.
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Post by: Mr T on June 03, 2014, 06:42:37 pm
The Prussian-Russian turn out at Montmirail was dodgy, there was unit of Austrians, some Wurtembergers, Bavarians and even a small group of Belgians!
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Post by: Millander on June 03, 2014, 07:28:32 pm
Thinking about getting a french young guard eagle shacko plate just to set up in my room.
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Post by: munky-wunky on June 03, 2014, 10:22:16 pm
Me Ist Back!!!!


yaya Zac long time no see
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Post by: Nipplestockings on June 04, 2014, 06:35:43 am
So, I've been considering getting into World War 2 re-enactment, and currently I'm interested in Red Army stuff. I found the 193rd Rifle Division which operates within the east coast US, and they seem to be pretty big and well known, however relatively little information is provided on their website. Do any of you guys on the east coast know anything about their reputation and such? I have a few reservations about joining a unit I don't know much about or anyone in it. Is this something that people generally do, or should I talk to some people before going off and signing up for something I might regret later?

Here's their website in case anyone cares - http://rkka193rdrifles.homestead.com/index.html

Thanks.
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Post by: munky-wunky on June 04, 2014, 06:43:38 am
So, I've been considering getting into World War 2 re-enactment, and currently I'm interested in Red Army stuff. I found the 193rd Rifle Division which operates within the east coast US, and they seem to be pretty big and well known, however relatively little information is provided on their website. Do any of you guys on the east coast know anything about their reputation and such? I have a few reservations about joining a unit I don't know much about or anyone in it. Is this something that people generally do, or should I talk to some people before going off and signing up for something I might regret later?

Here's their website in case anyone cares - http://rkka193rdrifles.homestead.com/index.html

Thanks.

privet tovarishch  Nipplestockings

I am currently a Red army Soldier in the 193rd Rifle Division. I have fielded with them for two events and my third with them will be this weekend at Reading Pa. These guys are a great Unit. Red Army reenacting is smaller and has less events then say G.I., but it equally fun to do, also cheaper for that matter.  I assume you live in the mid Atlantic  area? 
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on June 04, 2014, 06:47:15 am
193rd is a good choice, I've seen many photos of them through Munk's facebook and the leader himself is pretty well known in the community.  You'll like it.

You'll find WW2 Reenacting is where it's at. Good luck!
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Post by: Nipplestockings on June 04, 2014, 06:52:33 am
So, I've been considering getting into World War 2 re-enactment, and currently I'm interested in Red Army stuff. I found the 193rd Rifle Division which operates within the east coast US, and they seem to be pretty big and well known, however relatively little information is provided on their website. Do any of you guys on the east coast know anything about their reputation and such? I have a few reservations about joining a unit I don't know much about or anyone in it. Is this something that people generally do, or should I talk to some people before going off and signing up for something I might regret later?

Here's their website in case anyone cares - http://rkka193rdrifles.homestead.com/index.html

Thanks.

privet tovarishch  Nipplestockings

I am currently a Red army Soldier in the 193rd Rifle Division. I have fielded with them for two events and my third with them will be this weekend at Reading Pa. These guys are a great Unit. Red Army reenacting is smaller and has less events then say G.I., but it equally fun to do, also cheaper for that matter.  I assume you live in the mid Atlantic  area? 

Cool. for some reason I thought you did German reenactment, but I guess that's just because most people here tend to.

How many people are in the unit? What is the general age range? Is Soviet reenactment that much cheaper than it is for other countries?

I live in NYC but I go to school in western MA. Time is currently an issue for me so I think I would wait til next year, but I'd like to start looking into things now so I can figure out what I want.
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Post by: munky-wunky on June 04, 2014, 07:04:42 am
So, I've been considering getting into World War 2 re-enactment, and currently I'm interested in Red Army stuff. I found the 193rd Rifle Division which operates within the east coast US, and they seem to be pretty big and well known, however relatively little information is provided on their website. Do any of you guys on the east coast know anything about their reputation and such? I have a few reservations about joining a unit I don't know much about or anyone in it. Is this something that people generally do, or should I talk to some people before going off and signing up for something I might regret later?

Here's their website in case anyone cares - http://rkka193rdrifles.homestead.com/index.html

Thanks.

privet tovarishch  Nipplestockings

I am currently a Red army Soldier in the 193rd Rifle Division. I have fielded with them for two events and my third with them will be this weekend at Reading Pa. These guys are a great Unit. Red Army reenacting is smaller and has less events then say G.I., but it equally fun to do, also cheaper for that matter.  I assume you live in the mid Atlantic  area? 

Cool. for some reason I thought you did German reenactment, but I guess that's just because most people here tend to.

How many people are in the unit? What is the general age range? Is Soviet reenactment that much cheaper than it is for other countries?

I live in NYC but I go to school in western MA. Time is currently an issue for me so I think I would wait til next year, but I'd like to start looking into things now so I can figure out what I want.


I would say there is about 20 to 26 active members.  The age goes from 18 to 60+  however there are plenty of younger and healthy members, so not to worry thats its a bunch old guys. haha.

Soviet reenacting is cheeper, the items you can get for a lot less. (however buying it from the right place and for the right cost is key, to save on money. 

Good that your looking at units now  and to learn all that one can about them. Now I would be a bit far for you, but this weekend we have a event outside of Philly in Reading PA and that would be a cool time to check us out, but there are plenty of more opportunities  throughout the calendar.

My one beef with this unit is food, there looking for a cook sense the last one left, and unless you want to eat bread all weekend or other stuff of that sort. You would have to go to the vendors.
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Post by: Nipplestockings on June 04, 2014, 07:11:53 am
That sounds pretty great. Is the 193rd the largest active unit on the east coast? There were a bunch of "allied" units listed on the website but it wasn't clear whether they were equal in size, or if they were just little local branches, or whatever. During events do you guys tend to find yourselves relatively alone, or are you joined by other Red Army units in the area?
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on June 04, 2014, 07:29:22 am
Everyone on the east coast shares the same event. Just saying. They are not so widespread like ACW. "This little town of 50 people having their own civil war days yay"  Nothing like that.  Everyone goes to FIG, FIG 2, Newville, Reading, Ike's Farm, and a tactical in South Carolina.  Whatever unit you choose, you'll likely to end up at same event as everyone anyway. 

However 193rd is soviet. Less events.  Majority of ww2 events are Normandy based. But hella cheap.  I can get a mosin with bayonet and pouch for $89.99.
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Post by: Nipplestockings on June 04, 2014, 07:45:17 am
Hmm, okay. Well I'll look into other stuff as well, to be sure. Thanks for the info guys.
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Post by: munky-wunky on June 04, 2014, 07:48:27 am
There is the Red Gaurds i would would say there the biggest and most authentic however they are down south, NC SC Va area.
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Post by: George385 on June 04, 2014, 08:00:09 am
Hmm, okay. Well I'll look into other stuff as well, to be sure. Thanks for the info guys.

on behalf of everyone here, i say no problem and glad to help.

but you are probs loaded with info... its just something that you have to expect whenever you talk to reenactor, lol, you gotta expect to be loaded with information and wishing we would shut up every once and a while.  ::)

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Post by: Captain America on June 04, 2014, 10:32:54 am
So very glad I did Soviets rather than Fritz, even with the reduced events. There's something slightly alien about the whole thing, probably because they're just treated as some rabid red horde in Western media. It's just nice to step into the shoes of our valuable yet overlooked allies. Plus, dem nuggets, dat t-34, dem pilotkas
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Post by: Landrik on June 04, 2014, 12:03:33 pm
Out of all reenacting nothing comes close to fighting the Soviets. No hit-calling. No bitching. Never a dull moment or a feeling of "Am I really just wasting rounds?" Also everyone are great sports.

At the same time, I've seen some straight up commies on FB that do Soviet reenacting, but the same could be said for German. I'm glad I've never ran into those types in the field. They'd probably get laughed off the site anyways.

The Red Guard has a great website if you're looking to put together a good looking impression. They've kind of filled in as "Der Erste Zug" for Russian reenactors with tons of great resources on their website. http://theredguard.weebly.com/
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Post by: Duuring on June 04, 2014, 12:43:55 pm
Oh, that's right, I'm joining the 117th Rifle Regiment.  :P
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Post by: Nipplestockings on June 04, 2014, 02:56:00 pm
Red Guards look real nice, but I'm not really interested in driving more than four hours for meetings and events. Although from what you say they probably attend the events further north as well, seeing as they're still east coasters. Even so, the 193rd appeals to me more simply because I feel like a smaller unit would suit me better for my first time. Always preferred smaller groups of people anyway. Plus I'd probably meet more people from my area.
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Post by: Duuring on June 04, 2014, 04:00:17 pm
Ze Soviet ranks are swelling. Soon Landrik and Ethan will be unable to resist the urge to join the Red Ranks any longer. Then, George and Joer, Vorposten and Wolfy...and before long...ZAC! MUWHAHAHAHAH

SLAVAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!
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Post by: joer5835 on June 04, 2014, 04:07:44 pm
Okay, okay, I admit.

WW2 reenactments look pretty darn kewl.
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Post by: Captain America on June 04, 2014, 04:19:01 pm
Gotta say, the greatest purchase I've ever made is the soviet field mug. It's basically blackened on the inside from near constant use holding everything from pivo to coke. Thinking of scratching the name of some lovely zhenshchina on it to differentiate it a bit but I'm torn between Zoya and Alina at the moment, and inkling on what'd look better?
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Post by: zac on June 04, 2014, 04:45:04 pm
*sings to self* haha  @Duuring
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Post by: Duuring on June 04, 2014, 04:55:24 pm
Shhh, comrade Zac. It will all be over soon.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on June 04, 2014, 04:58:36 pm
Ze Soviet ranks are swelling. Soon Landrik and Ethan will be unable to resist the urge to join the Red Ranks any longer. Then, George and Joer, Vorposten and Wolfy...and before long...ZAC! MUWHAHAHAHAH

SLAVAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!



I refuse...........................only because the local soviet unit are the gayest men you will ever meet. 

#ProudToBeDeutsch  #Lebensraum #CommunismFailed  #StalinHasADildoinHisAss 

not really though  :(  The soviet unit dressed up with 90's soviet equipment. Trust me I know that shit because I wanted a 90's impression for airsoft.  I'm going to make my German unit a secondary unit and making L Company, 16th IR - 1st ID my main unit next year.  All my 4 grandparent and uncles gonna be proud.
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Post by: Nipplestockings on June 04, 2014, 05:03:31 pm
So are American impressions basically taboo among respectable ww2 reenactors? Seems like it's considered kind of a copout.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on June 04, 2014, 05:11:36 pm
huh what? sorry?  Uhhh no. I'm doing US GI because i am a living historian. I want to do all the sides. I do Union and Confederate. So I want to do US GI and German Heer. I would love to do british as well.
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Post by: Nipplestockings on June 04, 2014, 05:36:07 pm
Alright alright, I was just wondering what the general sentiment was. I have no personal opinion whatsoever - I just thought it could be possible that some people would avoid American units because they were too run of the mill or whatever. Fair enough though, I suppose the type of people to reenact wouldn't exactly care about that kind of thing
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Post by: Captain America on June 04, 2014, 05:55:08 pm

huh what? sorry?  Uhhh no. I'm doing US GI because i am a living historian. I want to do all the sides. I do Union and Confederate. So I want to do US GI and German Heer. I would love to do british as well.
Or, tovarish, you could join the dark side! We have vodka, cheap guns, and trusty T-34s!
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Post by: Duuring on June 04, 2014, 05:57:25 pm
Or, tovarish, you could join the dark side! We have vodka, cheap guns, and rusty T-34s!
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Post by: Captain America on June 04, 2014, 06:06:07 pm
Rusty IS trusty until the shells start flying!
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on June 04, 2014, 06:12:38 pm
Alright alright, I was just wondering what the general sentiment was. I have no personal opinion whatsoever - I just thought it could be possible that some people would avoid American units because they were too run of the mill or whatever. Fair enough though, I suppose the type of people to reenact wouldn't exactly care about that kind of thing


Ohhhh I get it.  I had the same thought, thats why I did German first since I was able to find a progressive unit.  After doing 4 events so far, I finally found a progressive GI unit. Americans are easily more to be annoying than Germans. Cuz everyone is like fuck yeah america. But there is still some great GI unit somewhere, ya gotta dig around.
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Post by: joer5835 on June 04, 2014, 06:16:52 pm
Russian tanks are best tanks.


Wait did I just said that? Oh god, they are taking over my mind. MUST. RESIST.
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Post by: Nipplestockings on June 04, 2014, 06:18:00 pm
Alright alright, I was just wondering what the general sentiment was. I have no personal opinion whatsoever - I just thought it could be possible that some people would avoid American units because they were too run of the mill or whatever. Fair enough though, I suppose the type of people to reenact wouldn't exactly care about that kind of thing


Ohhhh I get it.  I had the same thought, thats why I did German first since I was able to find a progressive unit.  After doing 4 events so far, I finally found a progressive GI unit. Americans are easily more to be annoying than Germans. Cuz everyone is like fuck yeah america. But there is still some great GI unit somewhere, ya gotta dig around.
Ah yeah, that was sort of my impression as well. I talked to my uncle who's a reenactor in the Midwest and he said he didn't like a lot of American units because they didn't take their impressions as seriously as the German and Soviet guys. I guess it varies greatly though.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on June 04, 2014, 06:28:16 pm
That is true unfortunately.  Too many clean cut GI in the hobby in my opinion. The Amis in this war was the baggiest rag tag outfit you'll ever see.

(https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/l/t1.0-9/10394836_724640990925349_4492471648414389667_n.jpg)

Heres a great example of what GI actually looked like. This unit gives me hope. hurrah!
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Post by: munky-wunky on June 04, 2014, 06:40:17 pm
Ze Soviet ranks are swelling. Soon Landrik and Ethan will be unable to resist the urge to join the Red Ranks any longer. Then, George and Joer, Vorposten and Wolfy...and before long...ZAC! MUWHAHAHAHAH

SLAVAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

UUUUURRRRRAAAAA
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Post by: Ililsa on June 04, 2014, 08:08:36 pm
I would love to do british as well.

Go for Northern Africa.

Ain't nothing compares to this uniform.

Spoiler
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fww2today.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F02%2FBritish-soldier-in-desert-portrait.jpg&hash=d3abbb4a45b5aad4a9f9028750cd8dce9655d3e9)
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Post by: Duuring on June 04, 2014, 08:12:30 pm
It's so odd how the combination of shorts and pulled-up socks actually works.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on June 04, 2014, 08:31:31 pm
Hah, my friend is going as that for my small hiking event. Should be interesting to see.
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Post by: Olafson on June 04, 2014, 10:00:25 pm
Do you know any units that reenact Canadian or British WW2?
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on June 04, 2014, 10:07:54 pm
Duuring found a Canadian group recently.
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Post by: Duuring on June 04, 2014, 10:23:46 pm
Which did WW1.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on June 04, 2014, 10:30:29 pm
Oh ww1. my bad. 
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Post by: Nipplestockings on June 05, 2014, 04:39:04 am
Quick question about the 193rd - How many videos are there of you guys floating around? I found a few of you guys doing bayonet demonstrations at an event, but that seemed like it was all. Anything else out there?
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on June 05, 2014, 04:39:55 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfpWZQhMipQ 
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Post by: Nipplestockings on June 05, 2014, 04:47:57 am
Damn son, thanks.
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Post by: munky-wunky on June 05, 2014, 05:44:42 am
I'm about 20 meters in front of this video. Near the front of the attack.
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Post by: joer5835 on June 05, 2014, 02:24:26 pm
One thing that looks atrractive about WW2 reenactments, I don't have to mind my pace every second to make sure I'm still in line while on the Battlefield.

Oh and the gun is shorter compared to a musket. Yeah, when you're as short as me that does matter. Do you know how hard it is to get your ramrod out when the gun itself is almost as tall as yourself!
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on June 05, 2014, 05:12:11 pm
Hot damn I love WW2 more than anything right now. I must admit it's been poking thought of mine to quit and sell all my ACW stuff and use the money to get several impression of ww2 and buy the expensive ass M1 Garand. (1thousand or more) Thanks Obama. 


Love doing foxholes, skirmish formation, TECHNOLOGY!, and sexy guns.
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Post by: Captain America on June 06, 2014, 02:03:28 pm
I just love the atmosphere, my first event was the first time I saw someone walking about in a Wehrmacht uniform, which was a bit terrifying, especially when Panzer-Grenadier-Division Großdeutschland decided to assault our position in a freaking halftrack! Our tech's basically World War One with tanks and lend-lease goodies though, but hot damn those M43 Tsarist looking uniforms are the shit
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Post by: Ililsa on June 06, 2014, 07:04:20 pm
WW2 does look a ton of fun. If I were to do anything except Medieval I'd probably do British WW2.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on June 06, 2014, 07:22:15 pm
I only can speak for ww2 reenacting in America that reenacting ww2 is tons of fun. Please dont get me wrong, i dont have that attitude where I just wanna dress up and play soldiers. we all take the history serious and reenact it as authentic as we can.  But I cant help but to admit how goshdarn fun it is for our age level. 18 - 30's. Ww2 attract more younger folks than ACW or NW does. You easily connect with other members on same level of humor or understanding. We're at the age where fatigue doesnt stop us at all. Night patrol to sneak into US camp at 2 am? Hell yeah im down for that! 

(https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/t1.0-9/1006093_520009408109393_6290886873253063796_n.jpg)

So young and fab.
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Post by: Devmc99 on June 06, 2014, 10:00:40 pm
About to leave for the encampment up in Massachusetts. Hope it will be my first fun event!
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Post by: Captain America on June 06, 2014, 10:38:19 pm
Have a great time buddy, nab as many sechers as you can!
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Post by: Nipplestockings on June 07, 2014, 01:41:58 am
About to leave for the encampment up in Massachusetts. Hope it will be my first fun event!

Where in Massachusetts? And is it a standard location for events?
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Post by: Landrik on June 07, 2014, 07:50:44 am
Nothing gets my WWII boner going than a good Eastern Front reenactment. I'd love more than anything to fight in an abandoned factory complex and get a rubber knife to stick in poor Iwan.

However, WWI is a lot of fun too. Has a lot of the same action and excitement.
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Post by: Captain America on June 07, 2014, 11:35:34 am
Now that would be brilliant, don't seem to have many urban events this side of the pond sadly, might have to take a cheeky trip stateside to see how the professionals do it ;)
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on June 07, 2014, 01:33:01 pm
I recommend Ohio for that. They do a tactical in a factory. The photos are sweet as hell.  its even in the winter
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Post by: Ililsa on June 07, 2014, 02:51:17 pm
Urban fighting's always interested me most. So many places for ambushes, sound reverberates off buildings so you can't place where most shots are coming from.
Eastern Front would be good, I just think I'd make a crap russian, whereas I'd be brilliantly english wandering around in shorts and socks with a brodie helmet on.

How old are people generally in ACW, though? We had a guy from another group join us at our last event, he was nearing 50 but was up until about 4 in the morning one night after sneaking out of the castle we were in and finding a night club (whilst in full soft kit with a templar surcoat over it).

He was still awake before I was too.
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Post by: Olafson on June 07, 2014, 04:06:57 pm
The older you are, the less sleep you need.
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Post by: Captain America on June 07, 2014, 05:22:01 pm
There are three under 30s in my Union unit, the rest are all late 30s to mid 40s
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Post by: Ililsa on June 07, 2014, 05:26:03 pm
The older you are, the less sleep you need.

I should probably add that I was awake at 7:30am.
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Post by: Captain America on June 07, 2014, 05:34:30 pm
Night Fever? More like Knight Fever!
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Post by: joer5835 on June 07, 2014, 06:13:26 pm
The older you are, the less sleep you need.

Well, for some odd reason I need less sleep at reenactments than I need on a regular day at home.

Usually, I got to bed at home around 2-3am and wake up at 11-12am.

During reenactments I go to sleep around 1-2am, sometimes at midnight if I'm really tired and I always wake up at 6:30am. And so far I have never experienced any tiredness because of lack of sleep during events.
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Post by: Mr T on June 07, 2014, 06:45:05 pm
Night Fever? More like Knight Fever!

Hiyooooooooooooo!
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Post by: Olafson on June 08, 2014, 01:21:28 am
That is because you got something to do.
On a normal day at home you are spending large ammounts of time with doing nothing. You are just sitting there, you are not moving at all. That makes you tired really quickly.

Don't ask me why, thats what I think is causing that "problem" I have the same thing. When I have something to do I usually end up sleeping very few hours.

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Post by: Millander on June 08, 2014, 08:08:00 am
I get what your saying. On a different note but the same topic I notice the same is for eating and hunger. When at home or school I normally feel the need to eat something once every three hours. At my last event I ate barley anything for two days and it didn't bother me at all. Its really how active you are and engaged. If your engaged in what your doing you wont feel as tired or hungy or many other feelings.

 I myself go to bed as late as there are other people up.
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Post by: joer5835 on June 08, 2014, 01:20:19 pm
About the eating thing, yeah I have that as well.
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Post by: Captain America on June 08, 2014, 01:55:57 pm
First Soviet day I lasted off a handful of staleish bread and my kindly issued 100g vodka ration in the evening, second day the Starshina realised I hadn't really brought any rations and dug a cheeky tin of corned beef out of his tent for me. Never do 1941 rations folks!
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Post by: Ililsa on June 08, 2014, 05:57:59 pm
I don't eat much, but I definitely still snack during events. We lay out stuff like cheese, bread, meat and some fruit out around lunchtime, so once everyone's had a bit, there's always plenty of cheese, meat and apples to snack on.

Sometime's there's even bread left, which means extra bread and cheese.

Dinner is usually stew of some kind, but only with ingredients we'd have had available in northern europe. No taters, precious.
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Post by: joer5835 on June 08, 2014, 06:09:25 pm
I'm a very picky eater though, always have been and always will be. During reenactments however I tend to make sacrificies, I adopted a policy that I'll eat anything during events, for the sake that it wouldn't be polite to refuse towards our cook.
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Post by: Ililsa on June 08, 2014, 06:15:46 pm
Same here. Last event I had a stew with beef and lamb in, even though I barely eat beef unless it's processed to mulch and I never eat lamb.
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Post by: joer5835 on June 08, 2014, 06:36:52 pm
Last week at Bathmen I had some kind of stew with potatoes, beef, carrots, onions and mushrooms. I only ate half a plate, I detest mushrooms but this guy's wife had been cooking the thing all afternoon and I didn't want to be seen as an ungrateful jerk.
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Post by: Devmc99 on June 08, 2014, 07:49:24 pm
Just came back from the event, I had a great time. Saw Evil Irish there too, he is a pretty cool guy. Hopefully I get to go to a battle around mid July.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on June 08, 2014, 08:43:04 pm
Most excellent to hear Mr Devmc99. Most excellent.  I too just returned from a ACW event. Pretty damn rough event, it rained from 8pm to 4 am. To those guys who only sleep under shelter half and improvised gum blanket side mean kiss your leg room and sleep goodbye.  Thankfully this time my rifle escaped the rain. Last time it got soaking wet and rust took over within hours. :c 
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Post by: Captain America on June 08, 2014, 09:59:51 pm
Trick I learnt from when it pissed it down so hard it went through the shelter half it to abandon personal dryness and concentrate on warmth, you can sleep so long as you're warm.
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Post by: Nipplestockings on June 08, 2014, 10:08:54 pm
Is hypothermia in the winter and heat exhaustion in the summer a valid concern for reenactors? Are the supplies and rations you guys are issued ever nudged a little bit to account for person safety and well-being? I can totally see food being ignored in interest of realism, but not anything more than that.
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Post by: Duuring on June 08, 2014, 11:11:09 pm
Is hypothermia in the winter and heat exhaustion in the summer a valid concern for reenactors?

Yes. It happens. Especially heat exhaustion because they are generally not that many events in the winter. And when there are, organizers take precautions.

Every hot event, you have a few people falling out, getting badly sunburned or simply fainting because of the heath, and once in the while someone needs a hospital visit.
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Post by: Nipplestockings on June 08, 2014, 11:20:43 pm
By "precautions" I assume you mean medical tents and supplies on hand. Is there anything provided on the field for reenactors to have access to? Extra water that might be historically inaccurate? Some farby energy food that could keep people going for longer than they might be able to otherwise? Or is that considered unacceptable, with realism in mind?
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Post by: Captain America on June 08, 2014, 11:56:29 pm
We tend to have as much water as we need and easy access to it. As for food, progressives will (for the most part) issue the upper ends of ration estimates or the theoretical ration, while mainstream units can and do forgo food accuracy in return for energy and a full stomach.
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Post by: Duuring on June 09, 2014, 12:16:01 am
There's little 're-enactment of period-food' in the Napoleonic re-enactment. Everything is cooked with real open-pit fires though.
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Post by: Captain America on June 09, 2014, 12:21:31 am
The most authentic food tends to be ACW because it's well documented, easy to get hold of, and there's a bloody lot of it too, less so for the Soviets in my experience because we're either eating spam and drinking plundered schnapps or starving on watery thin kaska
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Post by: Olafson on June 09, 2014, 12:50:01 am
Well, in case someone wants to look into period accurate food (18th - 19th century), just take a look at the stuff from Jason Townsend and son. They got some really nice stuff, and their recipies are great.
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Post by: zac on June 09, 2014, 12:58:32 am
we used to issue the correct rations etc, but we , most groups down here, now just make big communal meals for units, stews, dumpling and other randoms, tastes good, looks good, and authentic for what would have been eaten by Units in New South Wales and Campaigns from 1788-late 19th century
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on June 09, 2014, 03:04:44 am
Well, in case someone wants to look into period accurate food (18th - 19th century), just take a look at the stuff from Jason Townsend and son. They got some really nice stuff, and their recipies are great.
 



I totally recommend his sutler as well, nice sleepwear and glasses are reasonably priced too.   I mean really reasonable. 


The ration situation is totally up to me. My unit dont do issue and stuff. its "bring yo own food" attitude being carried out. I keep it simple with peanuts and potatoes/carrots/sausage also homemade hardtack.  I dont really need to eat breakfast or lunch. a hot meal fill me just right every night and snackin during the day.


As for my WW2 thats where the most authentic shit happen. My unit issue rations, tin can tuna or chicken, hard rye bread wrapped and labelled, jerky wrapped and labelled as well. I carry the role of "Wurst guy" of the unit. Pun intended. I live close to a german deli, capable to bring bunch of Jaegerwurst for everyone.   

Unit commander talking about trying to bake a rye bread with sawdust as flour shortage happened in late war, should be interesting.

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Post by: Landrik on June 09, 2014, 05:19:21 am
I recommend Ohio for that. They do a tactical in a factory. The photos are sweet as hell.  its even in the winter

I'm part of that FB group as well. I hear that there's no restrictions on RKKA units to keep the numbers high, but Germans are invite only. Doing a good partisan or worker militia impression wouldn't be too bad. Have plenty of flexibility without looking like garbage. But I heard the event still needs some clearance or something. Legal issues or whatnot. Can't remember. Still, by the looks of the pictures it's like a 1/10 sized Stalingrad Grain Factory. I like it a lot. I'd love to fight there.

On the matter of rations, I've had period rations for WWI and WWII (including the iron ration, which was only eaten if given the order). For ACW it was either cooked up and eaten right there or other stuff like peanuts, dried fruit, jerky, etc. in cotton pouches.

Captain America and Munk, you should check out Dorian's ebay page. He handmakes a bunch of repro Soviet stuff himself and they're honestly great. Not long ago he made some repro leather mosin pouches that looked like the real deal. Not sure if he has enough to put up on ebay yet. http://www.ebay.com/sch/redarmymilitaria41/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=
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Post by: munky-wunky on June 09, 2014, 06:00:35 am
someday i shall meet the great Dorian. His custom made armor for 193rd for our bayonet fencing competition   saved my chest yesterday.  (more details to come).

But the stuff he makes is really good.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on June 09, 2014, 06:03:30 am
193rd. The only russian unit that make you do crazy russian stunt.   


All you need is track suit and beer in plastic bottle.
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Post by: Duuring on June 09, 2014, 11:11:11 am
117th beats everything.
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Post by: zac on June 09, 2014, 12:53:21 pm
Quick Update from Zac :)

Even though Im currently uniformless (only leather gear and my hats) , and temporarily disabled, injury, packed my bags and leather...a reenactor never sleeps...like never... (and all of that from my bed, easy access reenactment gear) :D

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Still Waiting for my WW2 stuffs to arrive, Size Small lol... , Custom Made Marine Tunic :3 , and getting everything new again, a new start, even expanding my tent stuffs, with a small chair and boxes set, also getting gf into reenacting  8) ,Got 3 WW2 Tacticals coming up starting in mid August , and a 1789 Colonial Encampment training weekend in late July .But anyway, that is all for now , Not long till Waterloo now  ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: Duuring on June 09, 2014, 12:58:56 pm
Quote
also getting gf into reenacting


GIRRRRRRLLLLFFFFFFFRRRRRIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENDDDD?
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Post by: zac on June 09, 2014, 01:00:40 pm
Perhaps.....  ;) , she might be coming with me to Waterloo also :D
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Post by: Duuring on June 09, 2014, 01:02:22 pm
Great to hear, man  ;D
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Post by: zac on June 09, 2014, 01:03:58 pm
So ye :) , Waterloo waterloo waterloo.....need to organise accommodation me does, or under the stars *please dont rain 'touch wood' *

http://www.waterloo200.org/countdown/
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Post by: joer5835 on June 09, 2014, 01:34:40 pm
Wait wut, there's a Waterloo countdown....

Hold on...I'm gonna use that as my browser's home page.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on June 09, 2014, 04:17:56 pm
117th beats everything.


Silly dutch boy,  Red Guards beats everything.
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Post by: Captain America on June 09, 2014, 04:37:37 pm
Red Guards are honestly brilliant, Dorian and his lads helped me pick out my shopping list over facebook, and the Red Guards page has everything a little Komsomol could want! We have a tank, but they have a trench, and trench wins every time
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on June 09, 2014, 04:45:43 pm
Red Guards are honestly brilliant, Dorian and his lads helped me pick out my shopping list over facebook, and the Red Guards page has everything a little Komsomol could want! We have a tank, but they have a trench, and trench wins every time


The Red Guards, the only soviet group i would join if i ever do soviet. These guys got it right big time.
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Post by: Mr. Kochi on June 10, 2014, 09:48:55 am
So I just got in contact with my contact in Spain. It's official, I am attending Waterloo next year ;D

Now, on to emptying my wallet on French gear and plane ticket from Argieland to Belgium.
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Post by: Captain America on June 10, 2014, 11:14:20 am
Might have to come over and watch Waterloo, looks to be something special.

Also, hot damn why is it when I finally get everything good and ready with my current impression another one comes along! I was watching some vids of the Great War Association lads across the pond and Jesus Christ it's like some kind of WW1 wet dream. I may be stateside in 2016 for a good part of a year, so going up there is an absolute priority
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Post by: joer5835 on June 10, 2014, 01:22:53 pm
I'm so glad I live here in good ol' europe and can simply drive to Waterloo.

I have a love-hate relationship with planes. I love to travel, but I don't like flying. :P
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Post by: Olafson on June 10, 2014, 10:03:07 pm
Might have to come over and watch Waterloo, looks to be something special.

Also, hot damn why is it when I finally get everything good and ready with my current impression another one comes along! I was watching some vids of the Great War Association lads across the pond and Jesus Christ it's like some kind of WW1 wet dream. I may be stateside in 2016 for a good part of a year, so going up there is an absolute priority

And you arent sharing that videos with us? SHAME ON YOU!
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Post by: Captain America on June 10, 2014, 10:36:10 pm
This guy's videos are pretty sweet, they have 80 acres of trenches! 80! What! What I'd give to do a French impression... https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3Iq7JSDyfW5ULCYwbu7-Mg
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Post by: Barnesy on June 10, 2014, 11:55:07 pm
Bring it on for Waterloo! The only thing I'm currently not liking is the 8 hour long living history days, and then a 2 hour battle until 10pm after that... when do they expect us to get pissed... but the time we've marched back, kissed the top brass' arses, cleaned guns etc. it's gonna be time for the next bleeding battle!
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Post by: munky-wunky on June 11, 2014, 03:04:03 am
Might have to come over and watch Waterloo, looks to be something special.

Also, hot damn why is it when I finally get everything good and ready with my current impression another one comes along! I was watching some vids of the Great War Association lads across the pond and Jesus Christ it's like some kind of WW1 wet dream. I may be stateside in 2016 for a good part of a year, so going up there is an absolute priority

Ya know,  that place is used for ww2 eastern front also!
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Post by: Landrik on June 11, 2014, 07:39:37 am
Red Guards are honestly brilliant, Dorian and his lads helped me pick out my shopping list over facebook, and the Red Guards page has everything a little Komsomol could want! We have a tank, but they have a trench, and trench wins every time

Great to hear they helped you out. They're a great, serious research group... which every reenacting unit should aspire to. It's not just about popping blanks. The Pahpasha beats the trench.

The Red Guards, the only soviet group i would join if i ever do soviet. These guys got it right big time.

I agree. I would join them in events if I weren't the one fighting them!

Might have to come over and watch Waterloo, looks to be something special.

Also, hot damn why is it when I finally get everything good and ready with my current impression another one comes along! I was watching some vids of the Great War Association lads across the pond and Jesus Christ it's like some kind of WW1 wet dream. I may be stateside in 2016 for a good part of a year, so going up there is an absolute priority

It's worth it. Plenty of people come over from France, UK, Australia, Germany, etc. to participate. Even had a pretty big group of Hungarians come in one time.

http://vimeo.com/21558742

http://vimeo.com/21233299

Ya know,  that place is used for ww2 eastern front also!

This. I want to make it up for one of these.
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Post by: Olafson on June 11, 2014, 09:34:04 am
That looks amazing.
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Post by: Captain America on June 11, 2014, 10:23:47 am
Eastern front too!!! *headsplosion* It must be heaven! Good God I'd crawl to Berlin with bleeding bollocks to do an event at that great big trench line in the sky
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on June 11, 2014, 05:03:23 pm
Did someone say Berlin?  Alright you  ivans! we're gonna beat you to Berlin!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: Duuring on June 11, 2014, 05:16:08 pm
My soviet WW2 group is making a big list of things to order of Sluschter. Gonna get canvas belts.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on June 11, 2014, 05:53:27 pm
My soviet WW2 group is making a big list of things to order of Sluschter. Gonna get canvas belts.


(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/avs/avatar_457_1401035215.png)
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Post by: Captain America on June 11, 2014, 05:55:11 pm
Why have traditional leather when you can have cheap canvass for your army? Za Rodinu!
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Post by: Ililsa on June 11, 2014, 05:59:07 pm
That battlefield is absolutely amazing. Must get muddy as hell after a good rainfall. Terrible for a equipment but amazing for the atmosphere.

Can't wait for my first battle at Kelmarsh. Hoping we end up getting some attention from the enemy archers.
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Post by: Captain America on June 11, 2014, 06:17:48 pm
You might get a taste of that mud yet, I've heard it tends to bloody piss it down every year at Kelmarsh
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Post by: TWking on June 11, 2014, 07:36:53 pm
Last year there was no weather trouble at all, if I am remembering correctly
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Post by: Captain America on June 11, 2014, 07:40:42 pm
Could have been to be fair, though apparently the year before there was some decent flooding, I've seen a pic of some Vikings rowing about on an inflatable bed
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Post by: Landrik on June 12, 2014, 03:51:20 am
Spring event we typically get poured on. If the planes ever come out, it's usually not in the Spring.

Fall gets chilly, so it's good for wool. Planes will come in the Fall.
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Post by: Captain America on June 12, 2014, 11:18:29 am
That's when I'd be coming too, fingers crossed, only minor wee problem is I'd be a good 7 hours away by car. Then again, I'd walk that is if meant seeing the holy grail of reenacting
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Post by: Barnesy on June 12, 2014, 02:25:04 pm
Waterloo 200 is certainly stepping things up in the UK! Just got a short notice publicity event at the tower of london next week! Should be a nice one!!
I did a promotional event there a couple of years ago for Assassins Creed 3, we provided a guard at the gates where all the game reviewers came along to play the game for a couple of hours before reviewing, not sure how many of them appreciated it, but certainly got thousands of photos taken by excited japanese tourists! lol
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Post by: Olafson on June 12, 2014, 06:41:23 pm
For AC3... Shame on you. Seriously.
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Post by: Captain America on June 12, 2014, 06:45:45 pm
Hang on, don't you do Napoleonic 95th? And you're doing publicity for AWI...95th? Were they even around then?
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Post by: joer5835 on June 12, 2014, 07:25:01 pm
Let's face it, the majority of people playing AC probably wouldn't notice something weird if you put an Napoleonic Rifleman at an AC3 stand. They play the game for fun, and don't really care about history.
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Post by: Ililsa on June 12, 2014, 07:34:29 pm
Playing AC3 for fun is also a terrible decision.
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Post by: Nipplestockings on June 12, 2014, 07:52:29 pm
Playing AC3 for fun is also a terrible decision.

It's not possible to play AC3 for fun... because it's uh... not... fun. Yeah.
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Post by: joer5835 on June 12, 2014, 08:11:36 pm
Well it is, if you don't mind the many errors and uninteresting and bland main character.
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Post by: Landrik on June 12, 2014, 09:51:37 pm
> Implying vidya is fun

That's when I'd be coming too, fingers crossed, only minor wee problem is I'd be a good 7 hours away by car. Then again, I'd walk that is if meant seeing the holy grail of reenacting

Who are you falling out with? Do you have a WWI uniform? Did you plan on coming out for the Ostfront event? Where are you out of?
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Post by: Barnesy on June 12, 2014, 10:31:06 pm
For AC3... Shame on you. Seriously.

Hey, we were asked, they paid us we told them that the Napoleonic Wars were some 30 years after AC3 was set but they insisted haha! Got a free copy of the game which got sold on amazon, so all in all a pretty quids in day for us all!
When I'm getting paid for it, I'm not gonna complain lol... none of them paid attention to us, we just pissed the tower guards off as all the tourists wanted our pictures and not theirs!
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Post by: Captain America on June 12, 2014, 10:34:07 pm
Well hey, a free game's a free game!
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Post by: Barnesy on June 12, 2014, 10:36:32 pm
Playing AC3 for fun is also a terrible decision.

It's not possible to play AC3 for fun... because it's uh... not... fun. Yeah.
Can honestly say I never played it. My copy went straight back on sale

Well hey, a free game's a free game!
Exactly, especially when the RRP on it upon release was a nice £50 on PS3, given that I don't own a console, only my computer, I was always gonna get that and make a pretty penny
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Post by: joer5835 on June 12, 2014, 11:15:39 pm
AC3 was okay, but nothing compared to the brilliance opf AC2 and AC Brotherhood.

Trust me, you haven't missed much.
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Post by: Nipplestockings on June 12, 2014, 11:16:56 pm
AC1 masterrace
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Post by: Ililsa on June 12, 2014, 11:23:21 pm
In some ways AC1 still remains my favourite, just 'cause fighting Templar Knights before you had all your OP abilities was actually hard.

AC:B had the best flow to its combat, then it was all downhill from there (not played AC4 yet, though)
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on June 12, 2014, 11:31:59 pm
Assassin Creed discussion eh?

I love the game to be honest, historical authenticity never existed in Movies or Games, why bother whining about it.  To me, i truly appericate the artwork it has. But of course, when it got to AWI, it got bored to me because America isn't beautiful like Europe.  That's a fact.


But pleased to see the new one is going to be in Paris. Time to fuck shit up, paris style. hon hon hon hon hon hon hon.
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Post by: joer5835 on June 12, 2014, 11:42:58 pm
I love the game to be honest, historical authenticity never existed in Movies or Games, why bother whining about it.  To me, i truly appericate the artwork it has. But of course, when it got to AWI, it got bored to me because America isn't beautiful like Europe.  That's a fact.


But pleased to see the new one is going to be in Paris. Time to fuck shit up, paris style. hon hon hon hon hon hon hon.
+1

This pretty much sums up my feelings about the games. Though AC3 has besides the god ugly enviroments, a really shitty main character aswell, AC4 thank god was a step in the right direction again, though it still had mostly tiny and unimpressive cities.
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Post by: Vincenzo on June 13, 2014, 12:08:13 am
On topic! plox, this is reenactment forumz.  :P
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Post by: joer5835 on June 13, 2014, 12:10:55 am
On topic! plox, this is reenactment forumz.  :P

There's your problem.

On a more serious note, I'm gonna order my own shako at Shakos GBL soon. As much as I like to have one, I've heard stories that our model shakos are the most uncomfortable things ever.
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Post by: zac on June 13, 2014, 01:03:46 am
How much does Shakos GBL charge for basic shakos?
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Post by: Olafson on June 13, 2014, 01:13:19 am
My shako costed € 135.00 including tax.

That is the basic Shako + pompom. No chinscales or Plates.
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Post by: zac on June 13, 2014, 01:20:03 am
Oky then,thanks :) , looking at getting myself a new one  I think, had mine for going on more than 6-7 years, and although have a gren shako ,need fusileer for waterloo (my current fusileer is falling apart from service)
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Post by: Barnesy on June 13, 2014, 01:55:11 am
Just whatever you do, don't burn it!!!!!!
My first event with my shako was Waterloo 2012 (the one where the british camp turned into the somme at the bottom of the lion mound) poor thing never recovered from that, it's slightly misshapen
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Post by: zac on June 13, 2014, 03:18:39 am
Haha, ye saw a pic of one of the 95th shakos froma  recent event which got fried haha , My stovepipe is dead (leather lacquered version) , left near fire on a tactical, and kinda melted a tad...
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Post by: Barnesy on June 13, 2014, 12:58:54 pm
Sjt Gower was not a pretty sight after he fried his shako... Mine went the other way and I accidentally left it out overnight and it absolutely pissed it down and I ended up with a shako that weighed 2x more than usual
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Post by: joer5835 on June 13, 2014, 01:14:35 pm
I need an Austrian style shako, with a red-black plume. Nothing fancy, our shako plates are still being produced, 75 euros for a freaking cast-iron anchor......
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Post by: Nipplestockings on June 14, 2014, 06:25:35 am
Gonna be making about $2000 working this summer. Hopefully I'll be able to save some of it to start planning a soviet impression, but we'll see if it'll work out in the end. I'll probably contact the 193rd at some point soon to talk to them and get some more info. Looking forward to this a lot if I do eventually go through with it.
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Post by: Duuring on June 14, 2014, 11:31:36 am
You don't need 2000$ for a soviet impression, babe  :P
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Post by: Vincenzo on June 14, 2014, 11:43:41 am
500 euro buys you everything lol.
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Post by: joer5835 on June 14, 2014, 11:44:22 am
You can never have too much money!
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Post by: Vincenzo on June 14, 2014, 11:46:39 am
True!
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Post by: Landrik on June 14, 2014, 01:22:47 pm
$2,000... $500 for the impression, $1,500 for the DP-28. ;)
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Post by: Nipplestockings on June 14, 2014, 02:00:40 pm
You don't need 2000$ for a soviet impression, babe  :P

Yeah yeah I know, I'm saying I'm hoping I'll be able to save a portion of that $2000 for an impression. ;)
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Post by: Captain America on June 14, 2014, 03:27:42 pm
We grow in number!

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Post by: Duuring on June 14, 2014, 03:32:17 pm
My food-bucket just came in the mail, as well as Mosin cartridge boxes.

I'm happy.
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Post by: joer5835 on June 14, 2014, 03:36:05 pm
Bucket? Do you dirty Russian plebs eat out of buckets?


HAH! PLEEEEBS!


jk, still love all you guys
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Post by: Captain America on June 14, 2014, 04:13:17 pm
Kidney tin master race, fucker closes properly rather than that bucket shit
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Post by: Duuring on June 14, 2014, 04:34:01 pm
I'd wear it as a helmet, but my hat is too big.
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Post by: Ililsa on June 15, 2014, 09:22:28 pm
Back from another weekend event. Don't think there's many pictures from this one.

Really good fights on both days, actually. I'm hoping we can get a video of it posted. Crowd was good, some colonial types turned up and were incredibly polite, went around and thanked us all before they left. Some aussies took pictures with us all as well.

Surprisingly, despite it being advertised by the venue, no-one turned up at 9am to watch us eat breakfast.
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Post by: joer5835 on June 15, 2014, 10:43:33 pm
Why on earth do you even want to watch people eat breakfast? I have no trouble with visitors and being watched, but eating is one of those private things I most certainly don't want audience around.
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Post by: Ililsa on June 15, 2014, 10:46:06 pm
No idea, but they advertised it. We knew no-one would turn up, but I would have found it really surreal if there were people stood around our camp watching me eat bacon.
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Post by: Captain America on June 15, 2014, 10:53:24 pm
Why eat breakfast when you can watch other people in historical costume do it!
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on June 15, 2014, 11:04:18 pm
dude, the way you chew that bacon is like...........farby.............god.
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Post by: joer5835 on June 15, 2014, 11:06:27 pm
If you want to do it full historical, don't brush your teeth for months and be amazed as they all fall out one by one when you eat dat bacon.
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Post by: Nipplestockings on June 16, 2014, 02:32:45 am
Do you guys know anything about this outside of the news story?

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/15/us/utah-cannon-explosion/index.html?hpt=hp_inthenews

Did you know anyone who was there, or some other information?
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on June 16, 2014, 03:02:50 am
Do you guys know anything about this outside of the news story?

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/15/us/utah-cannon-explosion/index.html?hpt=hp_inthenews

Did you know anyone who was there, or some other information?


naw, that's out west. Farbland.   Boy everyone exploded my newsfeed about that. "This is what happen when you let farbs reenact"   

Apparently they used plastic bag to hold the powder, whilst safety clearly state that only tinfoil can hold them. And their unauthentic uniform made the injuries worst, im not kidding. Since historical uniform were natural fiber, they don't melt. they burn.  Whilst most farby-mainstream shit are man-made fabric, they melt which made the injuries more worst.

Pity about the young ones. Hope they're ok now.
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Post by: Duuring on June 18, 2014, 05:42:36 pm
So, Waterloo registration is a drama. GG Belgium.
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Post by: munky-wunky on June 18, 2014, 05:45:53 pm
So, Waterloo registration is a drama. GG Belgium.

tell me about

*Cough*  gettysburg
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Post by: Wolff on June 18, 2014, 05:54:20 pm
ye let's just ask for everybody for a single registration and not the groups to send a list of memebers who want to participate and to make it more funny we fuck the registration website up
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Post by: joer5835 on June 18, 2014, 06:09:29 pm
Also, we apparantly can't enter the encampment after wednesday. Nice way to screw people over that are a bit later because of circumstances.
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Post by: Duuring on June 18, 2014, 07:19:50 pm
Wait wat. That could mean we have to rent the horses for 5 days. Where did you got that from?
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Post by: joer5835 on June 18, 2014, 07:22:24 pm
email from my commander.
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Post by: Vincenzo on June 18, 2014, 08:12:10 pm
It's true!

Arrival ONLY on Tuesday and Wednesday you are not allowed to arrive earlier or LATER at all, then turn around and go again.

its in the official rules.
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Post by: Duuring on June 18, 2014, 08:19:05 pm
Anything about the arrival of the horses?
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Post by: Vincenzo on June 18, 2014, 08:19:59 pm
No idea, maybe you guys need to be there already but horses can arrive on thursday? but i doubt it.
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Post by: Duuring on June 18, 2014, 08:26:38 pm
Here's my logic; They don't want people arriving after Wednesday because that will mean cars riding on and off the bivouac. By the same logic, they don't want horses arriving on those days because that would mean cars+wagons. At the other hand, maybe we could get the horses of like a few hundred meters from the camp and just walk them to the camp?
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Post by: Vincenzo on June 18, 2014, 08:38:42 pm
Your group has to contact the organization about this.
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Post by: Vorposten on June 18, 2014, 09:03:05 pm
Arrival ONLY on Tuesday and Wednesday you are not allowed to arrive earlier or LATER at all, then turn around and go again.
This seems problematic. Can't stop my studies for a whole week.... sry guys if I can't come  :'(
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Post by: Duuring on June 18, 2014, 09:03:26 pm
I might have the same issue.
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Post by: joer5835 on June 18, 2014, 09:07:47 pm
Same here, sadly....
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Post by: Duuring on June 18, 2014, 09:10:08 pm
What do they expect? That people are willing and able to just take a week off, just because of the organizers wishes?
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Post by: joer5835 on June 18, 2014, 09:11:18 pm
Yup, they do. I really hope literally nobody can come this way, Karma's a bitch.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on June 18, 2014, 09:14:46 pm
They wanted to limit the attenders, too many people want to come and their license does not allow that... This is a perfect way to only get the "dedicated" that take a whole week off for it?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vorposten on June 18, 2014, 09:17:38 pm
Leipzig was much better in this case*... but waterloo. i heard of some groups, that they will begin the weekend before in Ligny, than go to Wavre at the beginning of the week and than finally to Waterloo. Who have money and can make free are very lucky persons indeed....  :-\

* Only problem at Leipzig was the battle on Sunday afternoon...
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on June 18, 2014, 09:19:49 pm
yes true..

I would take free for it though..

whatever job you have, its a once in a lifetime thing.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on June 18, 2014, 09:27:26 pm
Vince, you're self-employed. Huehuehue.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: munky-wunky on June 18, 2014, 10:32:11 pm
dat
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Barnesy on June 18, 2014, 11:28:19 pm
"Dear All,
I have just returned from Waterloo where I attended an invitational event courtesy of the Belgium Tourist Office.
The Waterloo 200th Commemorations and Programme has been changed. Updated programme is as follows:
WEDNESDAY JUNE 17, 2015
INAUGURATION of the Hougoumont farm
THURSDAY JUNE 18, 2015
OFFICIAL COMMEMORATION of the Bicentenary of the Battle of Waterloo
BIVOUACS 10am-6pm
SOUND AND LIGHT SHOW 8pm-10pm
FRIDAY JUNE 19, 2015
DEPARTURE WATERLOO DISPATCH Morning (Wellington museum)
BIVOUACS 10am-6pm – paid entry
FIRST RE-ENACTMENT OF A PHASE OF THE BATTLE 8pm-10pm
SATURDAY JUNE 20, 2015 BIVOUACS 10am - 6pm
ANIMATIONS IN THE BIVOUACS Napoleon’s & Wellington’s dinner - Historical demonstrations
SECOND RE-ENACTMENT OF ANOTHER PHASE OF THE BATTLE 8pm-10pm
SUNDAY JUNE 21, 2015
SPECIAL FREE ANIMATIONS with re-enactors in Braine-l’Alleud, Waterloo,…
END OF THE BIVOUACS “BREAKING CAMPS” 1pm"

The event has also been organised by a donkey... who in their right mind is going to want to have public walking around for 8 hours... and THEN have the battle from 8pm-10pm... absolute bullshit. When's our chance to let our hair down... all this because the politicians have got involved and instead of making it a commemorative event, have turned it political, meaning that the reenactments will take place at stupid o'clock at night, and the bivouacs will be open for stupid hours of the day.
Bloody poltiticians
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on June 18, 2014, 11:39:08 pm
Yep, its all politic stuff, also the signup thing was because of government wanted it well organized and signed up etc.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on June 18, 2014, 11:41:41 pm
I've opened a thread. This is becoming such a big subject it's kinda overlapping the actual re-enactment. Let us go there.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on June 19, 2014, 05:48:05 pm
My unit is organising it's own event on the 28th and 29th this month. Gonna be gud.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on June 19, 2014, 05:54:53 pm
Gonna be few French though.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on June 19, 2014, 05:56:49 pm
We had 2 units, but they cancelled at the last minute, now we have to rely on a handfull of individuals. Anyone willing to fall in for le French? We even have some spare equipment you could use.

Event is in Hellevoetsluis, Netherlands.

#NoBodyIsGonnaReplyButImStillGonnaPostIt
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Millander on June 19, 2014, 06:39:51 pm
I have an event this weekend on angel island in San Francisco Bay. Going to be pretty small and probably not that good but it's close (big plus) and I will be going with friends.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on June 19, 2014, 11:08:37 pm
Didn't you get some artillery stuff for that?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Millander on June 20, 2014, 01:27:56 am
Thats a different one but I probably could do that for this event.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Millander on June 20, 2014, 01:28:57 am
btw happy 1,00 replies on this thread!
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on June 20, 2014, 01:44:10 am
btw happy 1,00 replies on this thread!

1,00 replies


1,00

No.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Millander on June 20, 2014, 03:45:39 am
In my excitement I hecka started slipping. Shit aint whole grain. Sorry bruh.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on June 20, 2014, 05:35:17 pm
In my excitement I hecka started slipping. Shit aint whole grain. Sorry bruh.

I'm sorry, I don't speak Californian.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on June 20, 2014, 06:01:25 pm
I do

He said "I got so excited, I slipped up on my typing part.  I am sincerely sorry. Friend.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on June 20, 2014, 06:49:23 pm
Ah. Thanks, Ethan.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Jack Spears on June 22, 2014, 09:11:52 pm
Isn't reenactment just historical cosplay?  :-[
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Captain America on June 22, 2014, 09:50:17 pm
No
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on June 22, 2014, 10:12:35 pm
Isn't reenactment just historical cosplay?  :-[

Man, stop looking at Napoleonic reenactment.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Captain America on June 22, 2014, 10:16:17 pm
Poor Duuring...
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Landrik on June 22, 2014, 10:18:31 pm
Isn't reenactment just historical cosplay?  :-[

Not in the same sense.

It's a bit closer to LARP.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Nipplestockings on June 22, 2014, 11:05:13 pm
Stop responding to him. He doesn't actually care, he's just trying to get a rise out of people.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on June 23, 2014, 12:16:21 am
Stop responding to him. He doesn't actually care, he's just trying to get a rise out of people.



Rise? Oh please.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Barnesy on June 23, 2014, 12:41:47 am
www.youtube.com/embed/RkWQDDv_qdg
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: munky-wunky on June 23, 2014, 12:42:36 am
LOL us americans can't watch dat.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Mr T on June 23, 2014, 12:43:31 am
You not got the freedom to watch it?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: munky-wunky on June 23, 2014, 12:45:43 am
You not got the freedom to watch it?

its blocked because the video does not have enough freedom, to make it worth while to watch.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on June 23, 2014, 12:49:43 am
I watched it and it was bit gay.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Nipplestockings on June 23, 2014, 12:50:34 am
I watched it and it was bit gay.

+1. Not worthy of American freedom.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on June 25, 2014, 01:09:18 pm
Noooz.

This weekend my unit is fighting with the French instead of the Dutch. So now I'll be fighting alongside Vince instead of against him.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on June 25, 2014, 06:20:20 pm
Told you!

French are win!
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on June 25, 2014, 06:23:48 pm
Fighting the fight
Spoiler
That never really happened
Spoiler
Cos the French were pussies and left the town without a fight
Spoiler
After which the Dutch decided to 'attack' the city even though they damn well knew the French had left
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Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on June 25, 2014, 06:26:38 pm
Oranje onder he duuring! :)
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on June 25, 2014, 06:28:28 pm
According to my aunt, that lives in Hellevoetsluis, it's been all over the news.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Mr T on June 25, 2014, 06:40:22 pm
According to my aunt, that lives in Hellevoetsluis, it's been all over the news.

Well tell him to wipe it off then, HURHURHURHUR HUH HUHHUH HUUUUH
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on June 25, 2014, 06:48:15 pm
According to my aunt, that lives in Hellevoetsluis, it's been all over the news.

Well tell him to wipe it off then, HURHURHURHUR HUH HUHHUH HUUUUH

That actually made me laugh. +1
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on June 25, 2014, 06:58:26 pm
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.quickmeme.com%2Fimg%2Faa%2Faac54e7e9cc101ac59d9813f80c648a0b13a3fc46a61793f84a8055857f2f046.jpg&hash=405c7965334268d4098b058fd9f5c0fa7a813756)
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Ililsa on June 25, 2014, 08:09:33 pm
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.reactiongifs.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F09%2Faaron-paul-boo-bitch.gif&hash=067831e2548efe4e36fc21b2041c93c073f8c89a)
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on June 27, 2014, 06:37:00 pm
I'll be off to my event at Hellevoetsluis.

While you Anglo people try to pronounce that, I'll have some fun this weekend.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on June 27, 2014, 06:51:40 pm
I'll be off to my event at Hellevoetsluis.

While you Anglo people try to pronounce that, I'll have some fun this weekend.


Luis? sound like a town in Mexico.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Barraclough on June 27, 2014, 06:59:33 pm
nazis are bad
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on June 27, 2014, 07:02:12 pm
nazis are bad


and you should feel bad.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Barraclough on June 27, 2014, 07:16:25 pm
Why? I'm not the one dressing up as the SS top kek
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on June 27, 2014, 08:15:56 pm
Why? I'm not the one dressing up as the SS top kek


Actually, the dude in my avatar belongs to the Wehrmacht, not the Waffen SS. He get a cuff title because he's in Großdeutschland division. 


Learn how to recognize a uniform before calling someone nazi. skrub.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Landrik on June 28, 2014, 02:32:01 am
Why? I'm not the one dressing up as the SS top kek

top kek nice meem friend xDD
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Ililsa on June 28, 2014, 08:50:28 am
Why? I'm not the one dressing up as the SS top kek

gr8 b8 m8 i r8 it 8/8
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Landrik on June 28, 2014, 05:09:25 pm
Why? I'm not the one dressing up as the SS top kek

gr8 b8 m8 i r8 it 8/8

no h8 m80
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Bluehawk on June 29, 2014, 02:35:54 am
I would only rate it as high as 14/88.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Nipplestockings on June 29, 2014, 02:55:03 am
I would only rate it as high as 14/88.

Lel.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on June 29, 2014, 03:34:22 am
oicwutudidthar
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on June 29, 2014, 06:46:33 pm
Right, I have returned.

Was great fun fighting on Vincenzo's side this time. I have died 2 times in 2 days and suffered 3 additional non lethal wounds.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on June 29, 2014, 06:50:56 pm
*Gives Joer a bucket full of purple hearts*
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on June 29, 2014, 06:55:26 pm
and ill give Joer this.

Spoiler
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.warrelics.eu%2Fforum%2Fattachments%2Forders-decorations-third-reich%2F540090d1373994462-der-deutsche-mutter-kreuz-zb177.jpg&hash=2426c63516203a924cb7b46315e357dac87a1e4a)
[close]


/snickers
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Landrik on June 29, 2014, 07:06:28 pm
Munk, what is the date for the upcoming Newville Ostfront?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on June 29, 2014, 09:27:41 pm
and ill give Joer this.

Spoiler
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.warrelics.eu%2Fforum%2Fattachments%2Forders-decorations-third-reich%2F540090d1373994462-der-deutsche-mutter-kreuz-zb177.jpg&hash=2426c63516203a924cb7b46315e357dac87a1e4a)
[close]


/snickers

Shit man, Joer is a women that "produced" several new human beings? Didn't know that.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on June 29, 2014, 09:47:04 pm
I bake em out of thin air, just like the Virgin Mary.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on June 29, 2014, 09:55:11 pm
I bake em out of thin air, just like the Virgin Mary.


for that.
Spoiler
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fkultur-online.net%2Ffiles%2Fexhibition%2F02_592.jpg&hash=2e102a3535352b349ad394bdd6a2455a9fb3fc11)
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For sure.

if you don't get it, click this spoiler
Spoiler
the original post was bronze 4-5 children, Gold mean 8 or more
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Joer you wench.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on June 29, 2014, 10:11:48 pm
Huh, my Aunt would have a golden one then. Hmmhmm. I should buy one for Christmas.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Colonel Howe on June 30, 2014, 07:59:48 pm
I haz a question and i figured i should just ask it here for a quick answer. This July, I am going to Virginia to visit family but along the way, I am planning to stop at some battlefields. Now the 153rd anniversary of Bull Run (1st battle) is happening soon and it says there will be a "living history" event. Now I know what living history entails but since its the 153rd anniversary and its a major battle, will there be an actual mock battle that takes place? any help is appreciated. thanks baes.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on June 30, 2014, 08:03:36 pm
I haz a question and i figured i should just ask it here for a quick answer. This July, I am going to Virginia to visit family but along the way, I am planning to stop at some battlefields. Now the 153rd anniversary of Bull Run (1st battle) is happening soon and it says there will be a "living history" event. Now I know what living history entails but since its the 153rd anniversary and its a major battle, will there be an actual mock battle that takes place? any help is appreciated. thanks baes.


"Living History"   no. It will be encampment and bunch of drill and demonstration. No battle.

If it was a battle, it would say "reenactment" instead of "living history". Those event are fun though anyway.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Colonel Howe on June 30, 2014, 08:07:23 pm
I haz a question and i figured i should just ask it here for a quick answer. This July, I am going to Virginia to visit family but along the way, I am planning to stop at some battlefields. Now the 153rd anniversary of Bull Run (1st battle) is happening soon and it says there will be a "living history" event. Now I know what living history entails but since its the 153rd anniversary and its a major battle, will there be an actual mock battle that takes place? any help is appreciated. thanks baes.


"Living History"   no. It will be encampment and bunch of drill and demonstration. No battle.

If it was a battle, it would say "reenactment" instead of "living history". Those event are fun though anyway.
Aw, I'm sorry to ask this but you wouldn't happen to know any reenactments happening in Northern VA soon would you? Or at least a website that lists them. The ones I've used haven't been all to helpful
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on June 30, 2014, 08:20:52 pm
I haz a question and i figured i should just ask it here for a quick answer. This July, I am going to Virginia to visit family but along the way, I am planning to stop at some battlefields. Now the 153rd anniversary of Bull Run (1st battle) is happening soon and it says there will be a "living history" event. Now I know what living history entails but since its the 153rd anniversary and its a major battle, will there be an actual mock battle that takes place? any help is appreciated. thanks baes.


"Living History"   no. It will be encampment and bunch of drill and demonstration. No battle.

If it was a battle, it would say "reenactment" instead of "living history". Those event are fun though anyway.
Aw, I'm sorry to ask this but you wouldn't happen to know any reenactments happening in Northern VA soon would you? Or at least a website that lists them. The ones I've used haven't been all to helpful


Sure do, tons but would help alot if you could narrow it down to which specific month?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Colonel Howe on June 30, 2014, 08:22:31 pm
I haz a question and i figured i should just ask it here for a quick answer. This July, I am going to Virginia to visit family but along the way, I am planning to stop at some battlefields. Now the 153rd anniversary of Bull Run (1st battle) is happening soon and it says there will be a "living history" event. Now I know what living history entails but since its the 153rd anniversary and its a major battle, will there be an actual mock battle that takes place? any help is appreciated. thanks baes.


"Living History"   no. It will be encampment and bunch of drill and demonstration. No battle.

If it was a battle, it would say "reenactment" instead of "living history". Those event are fun though anyway.
Aw, I'm sorry to ask this but you wouldn't happen to know any reenactments happening in Northern VA soon would you? Or at least a website that lists them. The ones I've used haven't been all to helpful


Sure do, tons but would help alot if you could narrow it down to which specific month?
mid to late July to early August :3
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: munky-wunky on June 30, 2014, 08:38:26 pm
why so you can troll them? NOPE
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on June 30, 2014, 08:40:45 pm
I haz a question and i figured i should just ask it here for a quick answer. This July, I am going to Virginia to visit family but along the way, I am planning to stop at some battlefields. Now the 153rd anniversary of Bull Run (1st battle) is happening soon and it says there will be a "living history" event. Now I know what living history entails but since its the 153rd anniversary and its a major battle, will there be an actual mock battle that takes place? any help is appreciated. thanks baes.


"Living History"   no. It will be encampment and bunch of drill and demonstration. No battle.

If it was a battle, it would say "reenactment" instead of "living history". Those event are fun though anyway.
Aw, I'm sorry to ask this but you wouldn't happen to know any reenactments happening in Northern VA soon would you? Or at least a website that lists them. The ones I've used haven't been all to helpful


Sure do, tons but would help alot if you could narrow it down to which specific month?
mid to late July to early August :3


July 19-20, 2nd Kernstown Living History. - Will be done by Liberty Rifles, i highly recommend those guys. They'll knock your sock off.

August 9-10 City Point LH, thats where Grant based himself and all the supplies went through, pretty near Richmond which is home to The Confederacy museum. Great museum. 

Sorry to say but seems no battle until Septemeber. Because since June 9, The union army has the confederate trapped in Petersburg. A siege. So there will be ton of Petersburg LH and stuff but no battle. Siege took place until next year, March. oy vey. 


Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on July 03, 2014, 08:44:22 pm
Anyone else going to Wavre this weekend?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on July 03, 2014, 08:47:14 pm
Anyone else going to Wavre this weekend?


Me, of course. Gonna visit that map.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on July 03, 2014, 08:47:20 pm
Me, Vince, Olafson and Admiral will be there as 85e.

I got my hair cut specially for the occasion.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on July 03, 2014, 08:51:26 pm
My and some other people of the Equipage are going as civilian militia. Our attendance will simply be too low for a full military unit, we expect 4 men. So we'll join as militia together with Maarten from Cooper's Choice. :P
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on July 03, 2014, 09:19:59 pm
Me, Vince, Olafson and Admiral will be there as 85e.

I got my hair cut specially for the occasion.
Ooh but I love your smexy long hair!
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on July 03, 2014, 09:28:32 pm
My and some other people of the Equipage are going as civilian militia. Our attendance will simply be too low for a full military unit, we expect 4 men. So we'll join as militia together with Maarten from Cooper's Choice. :P

We shall have no choice but to...obliterate you....
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on July 03, 2014, 09:38:48 pm
Vince, how can you turn on your former comrade!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZm__ILOdyU
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on July 03, 2014, 09:55:58 pm
Join the French side instead! we have fried onions!
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on July 03, 2014, 09:58:54 pm
Defecting to the losing side? Hmm....I'm not sure.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on July 03, 2014, 10:02:48 pm
The french won at wavre no?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on July 03, 2014, 10:05:06 pm
They might have, but it did cause thme to loose Waterloo funny enough.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on July 03, 2014, 10:14:40 pm
Details!! were still winnig side in Wavre :D
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on July 03, 2014, 10:16:23 pm
Not so much. The battle started at 4 PM 18 June, meaning it had no effect whatsoever on Waterloo and what happened at it. It was a battle that was supposed to happen and whether the Prussians won or lost would matter little to Blücher's general strategy, as the other two Corps of his army reached Waterloo.

It was, at best, a by-product of Waterloo. No waterloo would have meant no Wavre, but no Wavre would merely have resulted in a slightly different Waterloo with presumably the same outcome.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on July 03, 2014, 10:38:40 pm
I was more refering to the fact that with Grouchy occupied in Wavre, Napoleon had 30.000 men less at Waterloo.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on July 03, 2014, 10:48:27 pm
Which was entirely according to Napoleons plan.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on July 03, 2014, 10:52:12 pm
Which was a plan that did not work..

But who cares, winning at Wavre yay.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on July 03, 2014, 10:55:08 pm
Winning. More like...

"Hey, Heinrich, I got a letter from Blücher saying we defeated Nappy yesterday at some place called Waterloo"
"Really? Hans, then what are we still doing here fighting them?"
"Good point. Call the retreat!"

Let's hope it won't go like Wavre last year where the French...lost...
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on July 03, 2014, 10:57:20 pm
haha :))

nice....

Anyway leave us french at least one battle we are allowed to win this year..
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on July 03, 2014, 11:14:33 pm
Dammit, don't make me wish I would have gone French at Wavre.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: George385 on July 06, 2014, 08:08:47 pm
so I fired an airsoft replica of the brown bess yesterday... around 430fps can hit a target quite a distance away. interesting for me.

I made an arrowhead as well, a few weeks back when I was in Aus.

and one more thing;

Spoiler
WHY IS EVERYTHING SO CHEAPER HERE?!?!?!
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Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Mr T on July 06, 2014, 08:15:41 pm
Just got back from the Colchester Military Tournament event, great weekend overall, put on some good shows for the public!
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on July 06, 2014, 08:17:34 pm
an airsoft replica of the brown bess

No.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on July 06, 2014, 08:27:16 pm
an airsoft replica

No.
Fixed it for you.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: George385 on July 06, 2014, 08:29:03 pm
an airsoft replica of the brown bess

No.

lol, it was for the public, I wasn't there as a reenactor, I was there with my grandparents. they had it at a National Heritage Site of Canada., its called Fort Langley, built in 1827 and was the site for where the Proclamation of British Columbia was signed by the first governor in 1858. its called a fort but no military personnel ever was posted to there. just a little background on the fort for yall  ::)
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Post by: Barnesy on July 07, 2014, 12:15:55 am
Just got back from the Colchester Military Tournament event, great weekend overall, put on some good shows for the public!
'Twas grand. Although the rest of the day doing jack shit was boring. Got a smashing pic of the WW1 18 pounder firing though
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on July 07, 2014, 07:28:07 am
a toy.

No.
Fixed it for you.


Fixed it to something more accurate.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Ililsa on July 11, 2014, 05:50:06 am
Just found out that at the Battle of the Standard re-enactment at Kelmarsh, my group is going to be on the Scottish side as part of their heavy infantry.

Booooooo.

Especially sucks as the Battle was fought outside the town I was born in, and the English forces rallied at the castle in the town where I live now.
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Post by: Duuring on July 11, 2014, 10:35:47 am
Ya dirty, dirty SCOTSMAN
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Captain America on July 11, 2014, 01:03:52 pm
Scotland ForNEVER!
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on July 11, 2014, 03:22:35 pm
Now go grow a beard and wear a skirt kilt and you will be a true Scotsman.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Landrik on July 11, 2014, 04:05:33 pm
Going to be digging trenches and doing drill in the SC heat and humidity this weekend. I fully expect to be covered in ticks by the time comes to go home on Sunday. :P
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Post by: Duuring on July 11, 2014, 04:16:03 pm
What period?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Landrik on July 11, 2014, 04:35:11 pm
Dubya dubya dos

My HBTs are at my dad's house, so wools in 100+F weather... bring it on. :P
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Post by: kpetschulat on July 11, 2014, 05:26:13 pm
Going to be digging trenches and doing drill in the SC heat and humidity this weekend. I fully expect to be covered in ticks by the time comes to go home on Sunday. :P
Dubya dubya dos

My HBTs are at my dad's house, so wools in 100+F weather... bring it on. :P

Sounds like my next event next weekend. 90-100*+ weather, humid, mosquitos, black flies, rain... I'll be digging trench sleeping quarters with some guys in my group, that's going to be fun in the heat.  :-\
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Post by: zac on July 11, 2014, 09:43:50 pm
nice..we have a Hürtgenwald tactical first thing in August
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Captain America on July 12, 2014, 12:12:36 am
This may be a mighty long shot, but does anyone know of a WW1 French group in the UK, it's the main impression I'd love to start but can't find a unit anywhere
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Post by: Barnesy on July 12, 2014, 12:55:44 am
There is one... they were at colchester this weekend.
Looking on the Colchester Military Tournament the group's name is "Croix de Guerre" although I can't find anything else online about them... they were def there though cos look! (https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t1.0-9/10487307_1438438903109753_2651312337351923717_n.jpg)

I'll ask my friend who's more in the know about WW1 than me and see if he can get contact details


EDIT: Found itttt :) http://www.c20warfare.org/Listpage.htm (http://www.c20warfare.org/Listpage.htm)
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Post by: zac on July 12, 2014, 06:43:56 am
Hurra, Dark Age Anglo Saxon , York, impression finally underway, Red tunic complete :D and so it begins hehe
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Post by: Von Alten on July 12, 2014, 12:03:05 pm
just put an application for the 43rd Monmouthshire as a bugler/drummer! should be fun
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Post by: Ililsa on July 12, 2014, 12:10:44 pm
Now go grow a beard and wear a skirt kilt and you will be a true Scotsman.

I've already grown one, but I have the feeling it makes me look like a slightly insane victorian poet rather than a rampaging scotsman.

Hurra, Dark Age Anglo Saxon , York, impression finally underway, Red tunic complete :D and so it begins hehe

Deira is best petty kingdom.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: zac on July 12, 2014, 12:27:41 pm
Indeed, although we now Northumbrian Kingdom by now..and under partial Viking takeover (9th and 10th centuries), trying to find sources atm on gears etc, and also trying to hunt down a period correct style cross etc, wanted to go celtic style , but ye, any suggestions, sources etc, would help haha :)
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Post by: Nipplestockings on July 12, 2014, 07:46:54 pm
Ilisa, I swear to god I just had a dream about you. I was walking with my dad and friend at some Renaissance fair, and I kept talking about how I needed to find someone. And I couldn't remember your name but for some reason your avatar stuck in my mind, and I described it to my dad and we looked for someone wearing the armor in your avatar to try to find you. Then I must have woken up or something because I can't recall shit else. I don't even know man...
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Post by: Ililsa on July 12, 2014, 10:05:33 pm
That's new.

Indeed, although we now Northumbrian Kingdom by now..and under partial Viking takeover (9th and 10th centuries), trying to find sources atm on gears etc, and also trying to hunt down a period correct style cross etc, wanted to go celtic style , but ye, any suggestions, sources etc, would help haha :)

I don't really have any sources that will be of aid, but look for ones based on Angles rather than Saxons. Angles settled the North of England and East-Anglia, Saxons mostly settled in the south.
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Post by: Captain America on July 12, 2014, 11:45:03 pm
There is one... they were at colchester this weekend.
Looking on the Colchester Military Tournament the group's name is "Croix de Guerre" although I can't find anything else online about them... they were def there though cos look! (https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t1.0-9/10487307_1438438903109753_2651312337351923717_n.jpg)

I'll ask my friend who's more in the know about WW1 than me and see if he can get contact details


EDIT: Found itttt :) http://www.c20warfare.org/Listpage.htm (http://www.c20warfare.org/Listpage.htm)

Have my babies. Like right now.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Barnesy on July 14, 2014, 01:06:08 pm
Have my babies. Like right now.

Alas, I do not posess a womb
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Post by: joer5835 on July 14, 2014, 01:26:15 pm
You'd be surprised to see what modern day surgery can provide.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: zac on July 14, 2014, 02:56:26 pm
This one has been doing the rounds ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTi38Bh8-aQ#t=123
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Barnesy on July 14, 2014, 07:44:27 pm
You'd be surprised to see what modern day surgery can provide.
Oh god no please no...
Ten Dorra?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Ililsa on July 15, 2014, 10:51:16 am
Got Kelmarsh instructions last night. Not overly annoying aside from a few.

No-one can be in normal clothes in the living histories area, and reenactors aren't permitted to be in the tradesman's areas in kit.

Meaning that if I want to go and see whats for sale, and I'm planning on buying some wool whilst I'm there, I have to walk 20 minutes to the plastic camp, change into my civvies, walk back, buy what I need, head back to the plastic camp, change again, and then finally return to my group's camp.
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Post by: Captain America on July 15, 2014, 05:02:07 pm
go naked
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on July 15, 2014, 05:09:40 pm
Naked you say?

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Filarge.listal.com%2Fimage%2F459189%2F968full-a-knight%2527s-tale-screenshot.jpg&hash=aa791a23fce37ef8d200c72f45501785b3bbd879)
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Post by: Millander on July 15, 2014, 06:22:43 pm
A guy applied for the 15e the other day who is a reenacter. I asked him his impression and as it turns out he is a guy in my club on the CS side and we have seen each other before. We will be having the third 15e meetup next weekend. Small world.
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Post by: Landrik on July 16, 2014, 03:29:23 am
Yeah, I've ran into reenactors in all kinds of crazy places.
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Post by: Ililsa on July 16, 2014, 02:58:34 pm
Presentation's important when naked, though and English Heritage is probably anti-manscaping.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Captain America on July 16, 2014, 08:20:04 pm
A peasant has to keep his field tidy
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Post by: joer5835 on July 16, 2014, 08:31:57 pm
Go reenact Ancient Egypt, women back then often walked around bare-breasted or even nakend when tending the fields.

Or Ancient Greece, see-through clothing everywhere.

#PervertmodeOFF
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on July 16, 2014, 09:03:46 pm
Go reenact Ancient Egypt, women back then often walked around bare-breasted or even nakend when tending the fields.

Or Ancient Greece, see-through clothing everywhere.

#PervertmodeOFF
 


On my way.   
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Ililsa on July 16, 2014, 09:05:42 pm
If you want revealing historical outfits, Minoans is one to go for.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on July 16, 2014, 09:06:23 pm
WAit this mean i have to be naked too. 


nope. you lost me. bye. 

#SausageFestDenied
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Post by: Ililsa on July 16, 2014, 09:16:42 pm
Judging by an osprey I found in a bookstore today, the pre-Achaean sorts liked banana-hammocks a lot.

But they also invented corsets, so y'know.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Barnesy on July 17, 2014, 04:19:00 pm
If you want revealing historical outfits, Minoans is one to go for.

I'm up for that! Loincloth for me and tits out for the ladies. Win win. I'm not naked and I get to see boobs. Just got to make sure that the Minoan ladies are hot and not old!
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Post by: Nipplestockings on July 17, 2014, 06:46:10 pm
If you want revealing historical outfits, Minoans is one to go for.

I'm up for that! Loincloth for me and tits out for the ladies. Win win. I'm not naked and I get to see boobs. Just got to make sure that the Minoan ladies are hot and not old!

B-but what if you like 2,000 year old decayed piles of dust :'(

I could get into that.
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Post by: joer5835 on July 17, 2014, 07:12:24 pm
B-but what if you like 2,000 year old decayed piles of dust :'(

I could get into that.

(https://i.imgur.com/TPvZ1Y1.gif)
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Post by: munky-wunky on July 19, 2014, 05:03:28 am
B-but what if you like 2,000 year old decayed piles of dust :'(

I could get into that.

(https://i.imgur.com/TPvZ1Y1.gif)

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F-VIKYVKffHqw%2FUocsFIqxsdI%2FAAAAAAAAPCE%2FsHAKeKle_YM%2Fs1600%2Fmy-fetish.gif&hash=0a18cc4feef851f150c9f98066c0162fefbca426)
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Post by: Barnesy on July 19, 2014, 01:15:38 pm
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgifrific.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F06%2FBoy-That-Escalated-Quickly-Anchorman.gif&hash=a1ee37f2faf7dcca0de76f7d70f77ff491886b7b)
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Post by: Ililsa on July 21, 2014, 01:57:01 am
Back from Kelmarsh, shame there weren't any other FSE people there, I kept an eye out for russkies, rifles and frogs, though.

Saturday night was pretty mental, the battle was pretty cool from an atmosphere point of view, but the lack of practice in other groups really kinda sucks, I took a few spear jabs that were way lower than I'd ever allow, and the guys I jabbed just didn't react - probably because they were on the winning side and didn't want to get deaded by the dirty Scots.
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Post by: Olafson on July 21, 2014, 11:13:27 am
I had a stupid dream tonight. I dreamed that all my stuff, vest, shirt, greatcoat etc. changed its colour and became blue... The trousers also changed its material and had orange stripes on the sides.
Apparently I also tweaked my musket, so I did not have to reload it. It would always shoot, even without powder.

Vince for some reason also never wore his equipment and uniform during the battle, only his musket and modern day clothes. In camp however, he used the historical stuff...
The camp btw. was setup in some kind of underground concrete shelter.
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Post by: Vincenzo on July 21, 2014, 11:52:36 am
Eat less mushrooms.
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Post by: joer5835 on July 21, 2014, 12:29:24 pm
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.fjcdn.com%2Fpictures%2FACID_56163f_493607.jpg&hash=e21204aad600931cc43d0370e8ddb3264328db2f)
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Post by: Von Alten on July 21, 2014, 05:46:00 pm
Back from Kelmarsh, shame there weren't any other FSE people there, I kept an eye out for russkies, rifles and frogs, though.

Saturday night was pretty mental, the battle was pretty cool from an atmosphere point of view, but the lack of practice in other groups really kinda sucks, I took a few spear jabs that were way lower than I'd ever allow, and the guys I jabbed just didn't react - probably because they were on the winning side and didn't want to get deaded by the dirty Scots.
I was watching ^^
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on July 21, 2014, 05:48:32 pm
You have a sexy sig von alten, I like it. 20/10
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Post by: Von Alten on July 21, 2014, 10:09:26 pm
Danke

Sent from my GT-S5360 using Tapatalk 2

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Ililsa on July 21, 2014, 10:38:31 pm
Back from Kelmarsh, shame there weren't any other FSE people there, I kept an eye out for russkies, rifles and frogs, though.

Saturday night was pretty mental, the battle was pretty cool from an atmosphere point of view, but the lack of practice in other groups really kinda sucks, I took a few spear jabs that were way lower than I'd ever allow, and the guys I jabbed just didn't react - probably because they were on the winning side and didn't want to get deaded by the dirty Scots.
I was watching ^^

Awesome. If you saw it on saturday then I was with the Scots spearmen, one of two guys actually wearing a gambeson there, instead of just a tunic.

Sadly I sprained my ankle a while after that battle so I wasn't in the battle on sunday.
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Post by: Barnesy on July 21, 2014, 11:05:45 pm
Back from Kelmarsh, shame there weren't any other FSE people there, I kept an eye out for russkies, rifles and frogs, though.

Saturday night was pretty mental, the battle was pretty cool from an atmosphere point of view, but the lack of practice in other groups really kinda sucks, I took a few spear jabs that were way lower than I'd ever allow, and the guys I jabbed just didn't react - probably because they were on the winning side and didn't want to get deaded by the dirty Scots.

We don't do kelmarsh. The organisers are very picky about cross dressers on the battlefield aren't they... which is annoying for us, as our cannon crew is basically all women. So we don't attend out of principle that if some aren't allowed, then we won't go
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Post by: joer5835 on July 21, 2014, 11:07:14 pm
I really hate people that complain about those sorts of things.

Come on, it's the 21st century, we are doing a hobby.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Barnesy on July 21, 2014, 11:16:28 pm
I agree... it's not like our gun crew isn't up to the job, they consistently outshoot every other gun in the british artillery, and can move the piece incredibly well.
Don't know if any of you saw them at hoogstraten, they used it as a mobile piece, and bought it up with the skirmish line. For an all female team they won the praise from the Artillery commander for the aptitude and skill they showed on the field.

It shouldn't matter  if you have boobs or a cock, so long as you do your role justice and look bloody authentic rather than a sack of shite
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Post by: Vincenzo on July 21, 2014, 11:47:46 pm
Yep, then men over 40 or fat people should not be allowed either.

the more people doing reenactment the better, fuck the rules about womans.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Barnesy on July 21, 2014, 11:50:58 pm
Exactly! I'd rather see a well populated battlefield with fatties and women than an empty one
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Millander on July 21, 2014, 11:55:46 pm
Id like to see women at least make an effort which most dont. I can understand why some events/units would not allow them in that role.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Barnesy on July 22, 2014, 12:00:47 am
Ours make a bloody good effort. They've even tried to learn to walk like a man
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: TWking on July 22, 2014, 12:16:59 am
Went to Kelmarsh for both days, saw some friends from one of the groups, got into a deep discussion with some Prussian Landwehr who subsequently tried to recruit me  :D. Got destroyed by some Brunswick Hussar Officers in the battle of Quatre Bra (war gaming) :(.
Saw the battle of the Standards, probably my favourite battle out of them all.
Didnt see any French..... again, had the same war of 1812 battle as last year.
Also I saw the breaking of the space-time continuum at the end.
Ill try and get some images up soon
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Post by: Mr T on July 22, 2014, 12:23:47 am
21e doesn't go to kelmarsh either because of the organizer's picky and weird rules, 21e went to one in 2010

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZLugOdkzXY&list=UUuZBzGUx3U-HiFohLnF9NrQ[/youtube]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14uFMFu7eaU[/youtube]
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Barnesy on July 22, 2014, 12:25:56 am
Same as 3/95th
I know that the 2/95th were there cause they love events with picky weird rules as they are picky and weird
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Ililsa on July 22, 2014, 04:26:45 am

We don't do kelmarsh. The organisers are very picky about cross dressers on the battlefield aren't they... which is annoying for us, as our cannon crew is basically all women. So we don't attend out of principle that if some aren't allowed, then we won't go

They're meant to be cool with them on the battlefield but get weird about them being in the living history area, which is daft as hell when you're portraying one specific thing.

Hell, I looked to my left during the battle, and saw a girl who looked like she was 12 and about 4 feet tall, and she was toting an axe. I have to admit I found that pretty crazy.

Saw the battle of the Standards, probably my favourite battle out of them all.

Standard. Dunno why they kept calling it Standards.

If you have pictures from the saturday battle, definitely get them up and I'll see if I can point myself out.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: TWking on July 22, 2014, 12:13:50 pm

We don't do kelmarsh. The organisers are very picky about cross dressers on the battlefield aren't they... which is annoying for us, as our cannon crew is basically all women. So we don't attend out of principle that if some aren't allowed, then we won't go

They're meant to be cool with them on the battlefield but get weird about them being in the living history area, which is daft as hell when you're portraying one specific thing.

Hell, I looked to my left during the battle, and saw a girl who looked like she was 12 and about 4 feet tall, and she was toting an axe. I have to admit I found that pretty crazy.

Saw the battle of the Standards, probably my favourite battle out of them all.

Standard. Dunno why they kept calling it Standards.

If you have pictures from the saturday battle, definitely get them up and I'll see if I can point myself out.

Sorry I missed the Saturday battle. I will get some pictures up anyway.
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Post by: Wolff on July 22, 2014, 01:04:19 pm
Anybody wanna start German-War-Reenactment with me?

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.543383529117932.1073741860.137255109730778&type=3

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Post by: joer5835 on July 22, 2014, 01:44:18 pm
You got anything against 4 feet tall people swinging Axes, we small folk have our rights too!
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on July 22, 2014, 02:36:48 pm
Wolff, I love your signature
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Post by: Wolff on July 22, 2014, 02:55:38 pm
Duuring, I love you  :-*

no homo, bro  :o
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Post by: Duuring on July 22, 2014, 03:51:52 pm
Do you have a training weekend 12-14 september?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Wolff on July 22, 2014, 04:04:42 pm
Well. It is not only a drilweekendl. Some other units will join so it seems to be a small event with a few shots
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on July 22, 2014, 05:03:20 pm
I'll (hopefully) be there as Nassau jäger.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Mortem on July 22, 2014, 05:06:15 pm
I'll (hopefully) be there as Nassau jäger.
Would be nice :D
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on July 22, 2014, 05:19:39 pm
An event I don't know about? o.o

Invite plox.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Mortem on July 22, 2014, 05:53:11 pm
An event I don't know about? o.o

Invite plox.
Damn...Vince, i told you about it more than 10 times :o
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Devmc99 on July 23, 2014, 01:23:43 am
Anybody wanna start German-War-Reenactment with me?

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.543383529117932.1073741860.137255109730778&type=3
Wtf.....
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: munky-wunky on July 23, 2014, 06:02:49 am
Anybody wanna start German-War-Reenactment with me?

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.543383529117932.1073741860.137255109730778&type=3
Wtf.....

saw that on Farb  fest!

10/10 would reenact with her
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: kpetschulat on July 23, 2014, 08:16:08 am
Anybody going to D-Day, Ohio in August? I'm probably going either as a SS Panzergrenadier or a Heer Sturmpionier. Going to be gnarly!
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Captain America on July 23, 2014, 12:33:54 pm
Awwww, stop showing off your big awesome events! :'(
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on July 23, 2014, 02:34:41 pm
Wait, you do Heer now?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: zac on July 23, 2014, 02:39:09 pm
lol
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: munky-wunky on July 23, 2014, 04:06:00 pm
lel
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: kpetschulat on July 23, 2014, 09:11:04 pm
Wait, you do Heer now?

No, but for the event I might do Heer feld-pioniers or sturmpioniers with some guys from my group and a friendly group. Otherwise, we'll all go dressed in our SS get up. All I have to do is buy a Heer tunic and I'm set...
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on July 23, 2014, 09:24:23 pm
Wait, you do Heer now?

No, but for the event I might do Heer feld-pioniers or sturmpioniers with some guys from my group and a friendly group. Otherwise, we'll all go dressed in our SS get up. All I have to do is buy a Heer tunic and I'm set...


Don't forget the majestic m43 cap with heer insignas. mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm M43 master race.   
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Post by: kpetschulat on July 23, 2014, 10:26:34 pm
A friend has one for me.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on July 24, 2014, 01:24:44 am
BTW. D-day event you say? Go as Heer only. None of any SS divison were near during the beach landing and stuff.  You'd be farby as hell no matter how authentic your kit is, if you're doing SS on Omaha beach. 
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: kpetschulat on July 24, 2014, 05:49:14 am
Which is why I'm going as a feld or Sturmpionier.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on July 24, 2014, 01:33:06 pm
You'll be farby anyway, considering you're not on site in Normandy.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on July 24, 2014, 03:17:42 pm
can somebody kill the farb police...

it's getting silly.



Also just burn your SS uniform, and reenact something proper :P :P :P



This sunday small event in boxmeer, around the corner and 100 euro bonus per reenactor, thats what I call a good sunday job to have :)
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on July 24, 2014, 03:18:40 pm
WHAT!

Need info plox.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on July 24, 2014, 03:19:04 pm
being farby IS silly. Kill them.


But I second the SS gear burning. 
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on July 24, 2014, 03:20:53 pm
Contact these guys Joer; https://www.facebook.com/marieke.soetebier

But not sure if they still need reenactors, i think their invite list is full.


3 guys of 85eme are comming, and some 3eme, and some other groups also, total like 20 guys i think.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on July 24, 2014, 03:30:47 pm
Ah well, no one from my unit is going, so nah.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: munky-wunky on July 24, 2014, 04:49:49 pm
can somebody kill the farb police...

it's getting silly.

Also just burn your SS uniform, and reenact something proper :P :P :P


i could say the same about any napoleonic  reenactor :P
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on July 24, 2014, 04:52:48 pm
Oh look, another American that jumps on the bandwagon of 'LOL I KNOW NOTHING BOUT NAPPY PERIOD SO THEY ALL FARBS'
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Captain America on July 24, 2014, 04:59:35 pm
Ok, I gotta ask someone because this is really stressing me out, but how the fuck do I put on puttees?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: munky-wunky on July 24, 2014, 05:39:05 pm
http://www.hardscrabblefarm.com/80th/putting_on_puttees.htm
 (http://www.hardscrabblefarm.com/80th/putting_on_puttees.htm)

this should help you
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Captain America on July 24, 2014, 06:18:11 pm
You God, regret not saving up for the sapogi now, but alas
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Nipplestockings on July 24, 2014, 06:29:30 pm
Oh look, another American that jumps on the bandwagon of 'LOL I KNOW NOTHING BOUT NAPPY PERIOD SO THEY ALL FARBS'

You got one thing right - you guys do look pretty nappy. Jk jk. Napoleonic reenacting does look kinda funny sometimes though, I can't lie. I wouldn't say farby though, just a little difficult to pull off well.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: munky-wunky on July 24, 2014, 06:48:48 pm
You God, regret not saving up for the sapogi now, but alas

sapogi are so much nicer
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Barnesy on July 24, 2014, 10:45:47 pm
Oh look, another American that jumps on the bandwagon of 'LOL I KNOW NOTHING BOUT NAPPY PERIOD SO THEY ALL FARBS'

You got one thing right - you guys do look pretty nappy. Jk jk. Napoleonic reenacting does look kinda funny sometimes though, I can't lie. I wouldn't say farby though, just a little difficult to pull off well.

As opposed to WW2 where half the reenactors look like a sack of potatoes... gg
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on July 25, 2014, 01:48:27 am
Oh look, another American that jumps on the bandwagon of 'LOL I KNOW NOTHING BOUT NAPPY PERIOD SO THEY ALL FARBS'

You got one thing right - you guys do look pretty nappy. Jk jk. Napoleonic reenacting does look kinda funny sometimes though, I can't lie. I wouldn't say farby though, just a little difficult to pull off well.

As opposed to WW2 where half the reenactors look like a sack of potatoes... gg


Except the Germans. They had a high tailor standard. You've been looking at too much soviet crap buddy.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Barnesy on July 25, 2014, 02:45:11 am
Oh look, another American that jumps on the bandwagon of 'LOL I KNOW NOTHING BOUT NAPPY PERIOD SO THEY ALL FARBS'

You got one thing right - you guys do look pretty nappy. Jk jk. Napoleonic reenacting does look kinda funny sometimes though, I can't lie. I wouldn't say farby though, just a little difficult to pull off well.

As opposed to WW2 where half the reenactors look like a sack of potatoes... gg


Except the Germans. They had a high tailor standard. You've been looking at too much soviet crap buddy.
Heh exactly half  ;) I will admit, the Germans look fucking awesome, but most of the allied groups look like a pile of shite
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on July 25, 2014, 04:00:45 am
Yeah the Americans carried a long tradition of putting all energy to win instead of design. It's like "were the army and were here to kill the enemy that's it".

Appealing to some folks. Non appealing to others.


In short, "Murica".
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Nipplestockings on July 25, 2014, 05:10:23 am
Oh look, another American that jumps on the bandwagon of 'LOL I KNOW NOTHING BOUT NAPPY PERIOD SO THEY ALL FARBS'

You got one thing right - you guys do look pretty nappy. Jk jk. Napoleonic reenacting does look kinda funny sometimes though, I can't lie. I wouldn't say farby though, just a little difficult to pull off well.

As opposed to WW2 where half the reenactors look like a sack of potatoes... gg

At least they don't look like peacocks during mating season. :-X :-*
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Captain America on July 25, 2014, 05:24:56 am
Soviet design logic pre-1943:

"Is cheap? It will do."

Soviet design logic post-1943:

"Remember how cheap our Tsarist uniforms were? Do them but more red Tovarish!"
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on July 25, 2014, 11:13:41 am
They dont look that terrible...  I find the Soviet WW2 uniforms pretty ok..

This is the reenactment group Duuring is now member of;
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Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: zac on July 25, 2014, 11:22:28 am
Noice :)
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on July 25, 2014, 11:29:39 am
And rememer that in that pic, most wear depot stuff. Next event is in september and I dare say we'll look spiffing.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on July 25, 2014, 11:31:55 am
I'm actually interested to participate once to see what reenacting Wo2 is like.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on July 25, 2014, 11:34:17 am
The 85e is coming to the same event, so you'll see.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on July 25, 2014, 03:08:53 pm
Lplg?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Captain America on July 25, 2014, 03:12:56 pm
WW2 is sweet, just wish we had more tactical stuff on this side of the pond, but the displays and living history is pretty brilliant when done right
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on July 25, 2014, 03:49:00 pm
Lplg?

Yep.

WW2 is sweet, just wish we had more tactical stuff on this side of the pond, but the displays and living history is pretty brilliant when done right

True, but for a period so close to today, Displays and such are already a great thing. Gotta show people what they looked like.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Captain America on July 25, 2014, 04:37:47 pm
True true, shame our Western front displays tend to look like an amateur version of a bridge too far, so so so many British paras
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on July 25, 2014, 05:41:06 pm
The closer you get to the modern period, the more interessed people are. It's something I noticed talking with my friends that generally don't like History.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on July 25, 2014, 05:52:47 pm
Sadly true.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Barnesy on July 25, 2014, 06:07:39 pm
Very true
I have a personal rule when it comes to reenacting. And several of my group have the same ethos. If there's still veterans alive then you don't touch the period. Sadly for all the good WW2 groups out there there's always at least 2 who do the war a disservice. If I were a veteran from WW2 I'd be pretty disgusted at seeing a bunch of fat men pretending to be airborne etc. WW1 is probably the closest back I'd go, but only just as the last veterans died a couple of years ago.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on July 25, 2014, 07:38:40 pm
The closer you get to the modern period, the more interessed people are. It's something I noticed talking with my friends that generally don't like History.


True but there's a limit. Ww2 is considered last line of interest. Beyond that is too controversional to reenact.

The more current you reenact. More negative response you get. Because war is bad and you should feel bad.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on July 25, 2014, 07:42:38 pm
I was actually talking about history in general, not just reenacting.

But Yeah, I get your point.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Nipplestockings on July 25, 2014, 08:48:53 pm
Very true
I have a personal rule when it comes to reenacting. And several of my group have the same ethos. If there's still veterans alive then you don't touch the period. Sadly for all the good WW2 groups out there there's always at least 2 who do the war a disservice. If I were a veteran from WW2 I'd be pretty disgusted at seeing a bunch of fat men pretending to be airborne etc. WW1 is probably the closest back I'd go, but only just as the last veterans died a couple of years ago.

Lol you'd be surprised.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xoGsVDRb7GM
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on July 25, 2014, 08:58:34 pm
Even though I personally would never reenactment anything Cold War related and find these Vietnam Reenactors a bitt odd...looking at the comments of this video made me angry and sick.

Apparantly we are all immature kids that like to run around in uniforms and play soldier all day.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Ililsa on July 25, 2014, 09:21:58 pm
Something about that whole scene just rubs me the wrong way, and it's not just the narrator's nasally monotone voice.

Part of it's the fact that they've just gone straight for the special forces dickwaving rather than regular Army or Marines.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Nipplestockings on July 25, 2014, 09:27:27 pm
And they take themselves way too seriously for what they're worth. At certain points it looked like the CO guy was going to legitimately physically harm the reporter when he asked stupid questions or acted out of line. Also it was kind of funny that they all sort of seemed really uncomfortable with the Camera around, like they were ashamed of what they were doing. Oh well, I guess it's difficult to reenact Vietnam and maintain a clear conscience.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Devmc99 on July 25, 2014, 09:34:21 pm
Very true
I have a personal rule when it comes to reenacting. And several of my group have the same ethos. If there's still veterans alive then you don't touch the period. Sadly for all the good WW2 groups out there there's always at least 2 who do the war a disservice. If I were a veteran from WW2 I'd be pretty disgusted at seeing a bunch of fat men pretending to be airborne etc. WW1 is probably the closest back I'd go, but only just as the last veterans died a couple of years ago.

Lol you'd be surprised.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xoGsVDRb7GM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcKZl7lXy7c
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Captain America on July 25, 2014, 10:19:12 pm
To be fair, we have the great privilege of being visited by a Soviet veteran who lives in England. He was very appreciative of the accuracy of our impression and gave us one or two LH pointers, and overall seemed enthusiastic about us doing Soviets, especially so far from Russia. I've noticed that it's never the veterans who are offended, but others who think they speak for them.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on July 25, 2014, 10:48:01 pm
Yeah Vietnsm can be touchy subject but so does WW2.

Anyway I hear all the crazy shit from Vietnam scene in NC and SC or VA. (Saw that video and I believe that war crime moment was too far, and the book I read describe them as gun happy college kids with ak 47)  but it vary by groups. I'm currently considering 20th Century Marine to join. We do WW1 to Gulf War display as US Marines. (Myself will be doing WW2, Korea and Vietnam with them).  The other group Wolfhounds the president is a Vietnam vet. So it depends the group. You want to work with vets or museum not a bunch if gun happy farby college kids doing air cav with AK47 and Mosin.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on July 25, 2014, 10:50:23 pm
As from what I've heard, most veterans love re-enactors who do a good job. It's about earning the respect of those people, the real guys.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on July 25, 2014, 11:10:14 pm
As from what I've heard, most veterans love re-enactors who do a good job. It's about earning the respect of those people, the real guys.


Amen. It also make them feel good as well. Make them feel appreciated. Especially for Vietnam vets vet, we didn't give them a proper homecoming. There is a WW2 US vet who loved this group who did his unit accurately right. He done and joined them. I had the honor to battle with him twice. Really awesome guy.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Millander on July 26, 2014, 08:35:35 am
Veterans view reenacting on a individual basis. I have talked to Veterans who have said anybody who has seen real combat would never reenact. My grandma is disgusted that there are people who reenact Germans but also there are people who lived then who approve of it like you mentioned. Its strictly an individual oponion.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on July 26, 2014, 10:39:14 am
And my grandfather seems to take it too seriously.
I showed him my Napoleonic gear last weekend. He started cleaning my bayonet and gun and gave me all kind of tips how to do it right. Every little piece of dirt and rust had to be completely eliminated, every scratch had to be removed... He freaked out that my trousers were slightly dirty and the belts weren't white anymore.

I get that during WW2, his survival depended on how he kept his stuff alive, but I am not in a war, if my stuff looks slightly dirty and my bayonet has a scratch on the bottom, it does not matter. I guess he also did not get that back in the day, during the Napoleonic wars, people did not have access to the materials and tools that they had in WW2 or today.
He ended up polishing my gun and bayonet for more than an hour, even though I already cleaned off all the dirt and rust earlier.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on July 26, 2014, 11:03:19 am
Haha :)  at least he supports it.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on July 26, 2014, 04:09:49 pm
My dad recently bought me a couple of cans of WD40 for future use, I guess it's something.

Nah just kidding, he's also paying for a fair share of my kit, I love my dad, he's great and he fully supports me in doing this.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on July 26, 2014, 04:43:53 pm
My parents only have a problem with storing kilograms of blackpowder..  ;D


I heard some stories from people that did not recommend WD40 for guns, because its too aggresive especially to the wood.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on July 26, 2014, 04:44:35 pm
Really? I've seen people in my unit use it.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on July 26, 2014, 05:00:04 pm
First hit on google..
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080717091224AAUNeL9
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on July 26, 2014, 05:29:55 pm
Usually, I would use any kind of weapon oil only on the metal parts of the gun.
If you want to take care of your wood, buy some proper wood oil that actually is meant to protect and care for the wood.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on July 26, 2014, 05:56:37 pm
I wasn't gonna polish the wood with that stuff anyway.

Interesting read, but I'd like to consult with my unit first about what we should use.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on July 26, 2014, 06:17:14 pm
I swear by Ballistol...   Though use it on the metal parts.  It can be used on wood but could make it slightly darker over time.

It can be used on leather too.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: munky-wunky on July 28, 2014, 02:35:25 am
WW2 is sweet, just wish we had more tactical stuff on this side of the pond, but the displays and living history is pretty brilliant when done right

man that sucks just this past weekend I had a living history, reenactment and 2 add late day taticals
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Landrik on July 28, 2014, 09:54:47 am
I've reenacted on that land and I know quite a few of those guys from WWII.

That event was the first one put off, so a lot of people were scraping together impressions. The SpecOps guys aren't allowed at the Vietnam events that are up in VA, so that was the only one they could do. Obviously doing Dog Infantry is way better than doing some tacticool shit.

The guy who reenacted the execution is a good buddy of mine - from my old German unit. He's a Sheriff in Central NC.

The Vietnam event up in VA is pretty fucking legit. The reason my dad hadn't gone in the past few years was because of Gettysburg. Also, not enough gear to go around to make it a family event.

I'd love to get into Vietnam reenacting, yet I just don't have the money for it. I'm already pretty stretched thin across ACW, WWI, and WWII.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Captain America on July 28, 2014, 11:23:14 am
Munk you bastard, I've not had a fucking event yet! Man I need to get stateside
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on July 28, 2014, 01:31:58 pm
I failed to get m55 flak twice. Didn't want blow 300 plus 30 or 40 more for shipping.

I'm going to work on my 61 Berlin Brigade impression now. Maybe I'll do nam if I can find a army unit.  Marines were required to wear m55 all time. And it's rare ;(
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: zac on August 14, 2014, 10:30:38 am
Vince is mean :'( He locked our thread..without asking...Landrik...do something..please... :'(

The War Goes On!! Gott Mit Uns

#FreeWhat'sYourNextBuy?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on August 14, 2014, 11:05:27 am
#FreeWhat'sYourNextBuy?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on August 14, 2014, 11:10:46 am
Just stay on topic. and dont spam... I can unlock it if you guys do that.


If you really continue breaking forum rules warnings might follow.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on August 14, 2014, 11:44:57 am
You wouldn't do that to your reenactor buddies.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on August 14, 2014, 11:45:50 am
He would.... Vince is without mercy...
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on August 14, 2014, 11:46:33 am
No mercy for rule breakers! ;)

But seriously... if we allow different rules here than on other parts of the forum that would be pretty bad.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on August 14, 2014, 11:48:18 am
#FascistGetOut
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on August 14, 2014, 11:51:38 am
You win this round Vince, but the war isn't over yet.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on August 14, 2014, 11:58:00 am
Actually not like I'm fighting or complaining. I'm only saying that this part of the forum has been doing just fine with off topicness and on topicness. Mostly done by duuring and I. But it was fine, nobody took us serious and spreaded into other section. Well except duuring who just love derailing political thread back then.

Anyway, my point is that Vince nearly never admined this section for a long time until he done joined up a unit. Boom. Admining on every thread.

#JustSaying.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on August 14, 2014, 11:59:40 am
Well except duuring who just love derailing political thread back then.

 :-*
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: zac on August 14, 2014, 12:02:59 pm
Yep ,totally agree,all was peaceful once
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Landrik on August 14, 2014, 12:50:42 pm
rip landrique
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rest in pepperoni sweet prince
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Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: kpetschulat on August 14, 2014, 01:45:36 pm
rip landrique
Spoiler
rest in pepperoni sweet prince
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#Vagineswagforlandrique
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: munky-wunky on August 14, 2014, 03:16:56 pm
Munk you bastard, I've not had a fucking event yet! Man I need to get stateside

yessss you do!

seriously when is your first event 
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Captain America on August 15, 2014, 05:14:49 am
October, and I might not even be able to go. Got in uni to do history which is awesome but fucking first module assessment is October and man will need reading time
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on August 15, 2014, 05:36:25 am
October, and I might not even be able to go. Got in uni to do history which is awesome but fucking first module assessment is October and man will need reading time


read during the battle then, a busy ivan is always welcomed by the krauts.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Mr T on August 15, 2014, 09:18:29 am
October, and I might not even be able to go. Got in uni to do history which is awesome but fucking first module assessment is October and man will need reading time

Which Uni you going to?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Captain America on August 15, 2014, 02:01:20 pm
York mate, and I dunno, breaking out a book about the war I'm supposed to be fighting might ruin the immersion just a little ;) Besides, we all know Ivan can't read!
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Ililsa on August 15, 2014, 02:11:31 pm
York Uni or St John?

Great city anyway.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Captain America on August 15, 2014, 03:57:49 pm
Uni, and it sure is, just a shame about the white rose cunts that populate it ;)
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Ililsa on August 15, 2014, 04:03:56 pm
u fukin wot m8?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on August 15, 2014, 04:19:55 pm
Why did I read everything on this page with Sean Bean's voice....
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Captain America on August 15, 2014, 04:29:55 pm
Manchester! Nanana! Manchester! Nanana!
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Landrik on August 17, 2014, 04:41:50 pm
Mods, for fuck's sakes please stop locking shit when we start making fun of each other.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on August 17, 2014, 06:51:58 pm
Mods, for fuck's sakes please stop locking shit when we start making fun of each other.


+1   love how other retards in fse go around saying faggot and yet pet get warned for saying homosex.  Dat Logic. GG Mods.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: kpetschulat on August 17, 2014, 07:05:29 pm
#freepetschie2014
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Millander on August 17, 2014, 07:23:37 pm
Thats what happens when this is the only forum the mods post in.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on August 17, 2014, 07:27:45 pm
Thats what happens when this is the only forum the mods post in.
 

truuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuue
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: kpetschulat on August 17, 2014, 08:45:44 pm
Thats what happens when this is the only forum the mods post in.
 

truuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuue

Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on August 17, 2014, 11:44:40 pm
Tell vince. Not my fault.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: George385 on August 17, 2014, 11:48:48 pm
Tell vince. Not my fault.

sorry this is a bit off topic but what the hell happened to your post count?  :o
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on August 17, 2014, 11:55:28 pm
Vince happened! He put it back.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on August 17, 2014, 11:57:06 pm
It's always Vince.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: George385 on August 17, 2014, 11:59:52 pm
y u do dis vince
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: munky-wunky on August 18, 2014, 12:11:01 am
vince is the cause of all problems :P
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: George385 on August 18, 2014, 12:42:25 am
vince is the cause of all problems :P

true dat
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on August 18, 2014, 01:04:25 am
I can give you a whole lot more  8)
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: kpetschulat on August 18, 2014, 01:58:11 am
Give me 133713371337x100 as my post count.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on August 18, 2014, 01:38:04 pm
Nah. I am faking Mikkels post count. That is more than enough.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: kpetschulat on August 18, 2014, 01:46:22 pm
So lame, man. So lamer lamey mclame lame. I cry... :'( :'( :'(
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Post by: joer5835 on August 18, 2014, 01:47:37 pm
I want 80085 as a post count
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on August 18, 2014, 05:33:02 pm
and i want 2010294832751 virgins pls.
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Post by: Ililsa on August 18, 2014, 06:26:04 pm
Might interest some folks here, looking at Munk, CaptainAmerica and Duuring in particular, but I guess everyone else will find some cool historical perspective in it.

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2dvsb1/iama_94_year_old_wwii_veteran_who_was_conscripted/
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Post by: Captain America on August 18, 2014, 06:54:56 pm
Wow, read the whole thing, never read an account from the Caucasus front before, guy sounds like an absolute hero
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Post by: kpetschulat on August 18, 2014, 07:13:36 pm
Might interest some folks here, looking at Munk, CaptainAmerica and Duuring in particular, but I guess everyone else will find some cool historical perspective in it.

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2dvsb1/iama_94_year_old_wwii_veteran_who_was_conscripted/

Wow, that's awesome.
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Post by: Mr. Kochi on August 20, 2014, 10:51:58 pm
A bit of a topic change here, but I thought you chaps could give me a hand here.

By any chance does anyone have or know where I could get some sort of instruction manual or pattern for making white french infantry pants of the Napoleonic period?
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Post by: Riddlez on August 20, 2014, 11:13:10 pm
Might interest some folks here, looking at Munk, CaptainAmerica and Duuring in particular, but I guess everyone else will find some cool historical perspective in it.

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2dvsb1/iama_94_year_old_wwii_veteran_who_was_conscripted/

I don't really think the people there truly know what they have been saying: calling an ex-german veteran a hero.
Glad that it is possible to acknowledge that not all german veterans of ww2 are Hard-core Nazis
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Post by: Duuring on August 21, 2014, 05:06:02 pm
A bit of a topic change here, but I thought you chaps could give me a hand here.

By any chance does anyone have or know where I could get some sort of instruction manual or pattern for making white french infantry pants of the Napoleonic period?

I have the pattern SOMEWHERE, but you'll have to wait a few days till I get back home.

Ililsa, cool read!

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Post by: munky-wunky on August 22, 2014, 04:38:51 am
Ililsa great find, very very interesting
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Post by: Cara on August 24, 2014, 12:37:16 pm
Some of you will be in Valencay next week end ? ;)
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Post by: Vincenzo on August 24, 2014, 01:30:00 pm
Valencay ? what is it for event?
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Post by: joer5835 on August 24, 2014, 02:00:00 pm
I'll be in a small city called Hulst here in the Netherlands next weekend.
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Post by: Vincenzo on August 24, 2014, 02:32:49 pm
Whats going on in Hulst?
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Post by: Cara on August 24, 2014, 02:47:17 pm
Valencay ? what is it for event?

Small one with a camp and a Voltigeur School :)
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Post by: joer5835 on August 24, 2014, 02:53:27 pm
Whats going on in Hulst?

http://www.vestingsteden.nl/index.php?menuID=6&hoofditem=TRUE&subitem=FALSE
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Post by: Mr T on August 25, 2014, 08:07:31 pm
Just got back from Cannon Hall, great event, though weather's been absolute shite today, was lovely yesterday, also bought a backpack from our Cpl Fo, once my gaiters are done being made that pretty much all the standard kit obtained.
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Post by: Duuring on August 25, 2014, 09:58:27 pm
A bit of a topic change here, but I thought you chaps could give me a hand here.

By any chance does anyone have or know where I could get some sort of instruction manual or pattern for making white french infantry pants of the Napoleonic period?

Here's the pattern:

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(https://i.imgur.com/Munf3mB.jpg)
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I don't know about that pocket though. I've left it away in my trousers.
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Post by: Ililsa on August 25, 2014, 10:43:56 pm
Back from a three day tournament.

My elbow's grazed, my knee bruised to hell, I'm exhausted and fairly sure none of my muscles are going to work tomorrow morning.
Crowd loved us though, EH organisers loved us, there was awesome atmosphere with the musicians and fool and living history group. Good weekend.

20 minute grand melees are a hell of a thing. So much sweat.
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Post by: Mr. Kochi on August 25, 2014, 11:11:52 pm
Here's the pattern:

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(https://i.imgur.com/Munf3mB.jpg)
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I don't know about that pocket though. I've left it away in my trousers.

Thanks, mate.
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Post by: George385 on August 26, 2014, 07:00:08 am
munk i found you on facebook pleb  :-*
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Post by: zac on August 26, 2014, 07:27:51 am
I think we all have each other on it to be honest..haha
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on August 26, 2014, 08:16:40 am
munk i found you on facebook pleb  :-*


late to the fucking party.
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Post by: George385 on August 26, 2014, 08:41:08 am
meh, better late than never. ive got zac on my facebook but thats it :P
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Post by: Vincenzo on August 26, 2014, 11:57:19 am
Zac got everybody, hes like the link between all FSE reenactors...
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Post by: Barnesy on August 26, 2014, 12:36:55 pm
I aint got nobody :( #feelsleftout
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Post by: zac on August 26, 2014, 01:42:05 pm
Zac got everybody, hes like the link between all FSE reenactors...

Haha.....
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Post by: joer5835 on August 26, 2014, 03:57:22 pm
I aint got nobody :( #feelsleftout
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Post by: Ililsa on August 26, 2014, 04:07:45 pm
I ain't got facebook. #hipstermasterrace
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Post by: Duuring on August 26, 2014, 04:14:42 pm
I ain't got facebook. #hipstermasterrace

FUCKING MEDIEVAL HIPSTERS
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Post by: joer5835 on August 26, 2014, 04:30:44 pm
I use to not have Facebook like you, but then everybody forced me to.
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Post by: Vincenzo on August 26, 2014, 04:47:21 pm
I aint got nobody :( #feelsleftout

Then what is yours  :P
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Post by: Olafson on August 26, 2014, 07:24:29 pm
I use to not have Facebook like you, but then everybody forced me to.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on August 26, 2014, 10:21:59 pm
Been thinking about getting into Medieval time reenacting.  Found a group in my state, that recreates 950 TO 1066 CE Britain.  Vikings, Anglo Saxon and Normans.   Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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Post by: Riddlez on August 26, 2014, 10:26:08 pm
Been thinking about getting into Medieval time reenacting.  Found a group in my state, that recreates 950 TO 1066 CE Britain.  Vikings, Anglo Saxon and Normans.   Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Prepare to become an IR habitué.
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Post by: Nipplestockings on August 26, 2014, 10:31:00 pm
Been thinking about getting into Medieval time reenacting.  Found a group in my state, that recreates 950 TO 1066 CE Britain.  Vikings, Anglo Saxon and Normans.   Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

What state?
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on August 26, 2014, 10:35:25 pm
Illinois
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Post by: George385 on August 26, 2014, 11:00:51 pm
Been thinking about getting into Medieval time reenacting.  Found a group in my state, that recreates 950 TO 1066 CE Britain.  Vikings, Anglo Saxon and Normans.   Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

my period that i do :P
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Post by: Ililsa on August 26, 2014, 11:27:35 pm
Prepare to become an IR habitué.

A what?
Been thinking about getting into Medieval time reenacting.  Found a group in my state, that recreates 950 TO 1066 CE Britain.  Vikings, Anglo Saxon and Normans.   Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
It's amazing fun if you get into the right group. I was lucky to find one who focuses on tournaments rather than multi-group battles, and because we can get together to practice a lot with a pretty awesome training structure and fighting technique.

Personally I probably wouldn't do it if I was in a nationwide group that just practiced 15 minutes before battles.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on August 26, 2014, 11:34:21 pm
We will see, tons of them are just for "ren faire giggle n shit" or LARPS. But think i may found a decent one. 

http://www.micelfolcland.org/ (http://www.micelfolcland.org/)

Opinions?  I have seen several photos they have on the site. They dont look like bunch of LARPS or Ren faire fanasty. I'm no expert in this era but im pretty sure i can tell the difference between the real deal or ren faire booze fest.
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Post by: Nipplestockings on August 26, 2014, 11:39:05 pm
That's cool. Illinois and actually pretty much the entire northern midwest is great for medieval stuff - it's pretty popular there from what I've seen. I've been to Wisconsin twice a year for almost my entire life and never have I encountered a reenactment or renaissance fair scene that was more alive and vibrant than there. Nice group of people out there.
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Post by: George385 on August 26, 2014, 11:41:17 pm
We will see, tons of them are just for "ren faire giggle n shit" or LARPS. But think i may found a decent one. 

http://www.micelfolcland.org/ (http://www.micelfolcland.org/)

Opinions?  I have seen several photos they have on the site. They dont look like bunch of LARPS or Ren faire fanasty. I'm no expert in this era but im pretty sure i can tell the difference between the real deal or ren faire booze fest.

contact their authenticity officer and ask how strict they are.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on August 26, 2014, 11:48:45 pm
will do
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Post by: Riddlez on August 27, 2014, 12:22:38 am
Prepare to become an IR habitué.

A what?

A habitué loan word from French; posh for regular customer. But I am awesome, so I need awesome vocabulary.
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Post by: Ililsa on August 27, 2014, 12:31:41 am
They don't look bad to me on first impressions. Their gloves/hand protection are a bit dubious, but I dunno much about what was used in the early period, and that's something barely any groups get right, my group still has a lot of armadillos kicking about, but most members now have a decent set of authentic looking mittens (with modern armour underneath the linen, because seriously, protect your hands.)

Their combat looks pretty standard, which is fine if it's not as big a thing as it is to me. At least most of those spears are angled downwards and there's no hug-of-death going on.

A habitué loan word from French; posh for regular customer. But I am awesome, so I need awesome vocabulary.

I got that bit. No idea what an IR is though.
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Post by: Barnesy on August 27, 2014, 12:58:29 am
I aint got nobody :( #feelsleftout

Then what is yours  :P

https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?ref=bookmark
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on August 27, 2014, 01:48:38 am
They don't look bad to me on first impressions. Their gloves/hand protection are a bit dubious, but I dunno much about what was used in the early period, and that's something barely any groups get right, my group still has a lot of armadillos kicking about, but most members now have a decent set of authentic looking mittens (with modern armour underneath the linen, because seriously, protect your hands.)

Their combat looks pretty standard, which is fine if it's not as big a thing as it is to me. At least most of those spears are angled downwards and there's no hug-of-death going on.



Yeah, that was my impression. I'm really only doing this because i dig the fashion and camping out oh they seems to build some hut as well. I dig that a lot.  This could be a fun gig to do with buddies. 
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Post by: kpetschulat on August 27, 2014, 04:27:33 am
So, as some of you kinky chaps know, this past weekend I attended a huge DDay commemorative event in Ohio. It was fucking awesome. I got to build my own fortifications on the beach with the unit I went with and spent almost six hours doing that Friday in preparation for the beach invasion battle on Saturday. There were over 30,000 spectators at this event for the beach battle, and just shy of 1,300 reenactors altogether reenacting the beach battles of Omaha (Germans vs. Americans) and Gold and Sword (Germans vs. Canadians and various Commonwealth troops).

In the morning Saturday, as SS, I reenacted the Battle of La Fiére Bridge. The scenario was: Fallschirmjägers were patrolling and came under attack by American paratroopers. The Fjr's were forced to retreat, and the light mechanized element of the SS moved in to support the retreat and face the paratroopers head on. The battle was brutal with 80 SS, 25 Fjr, a Puma Scout Car and a couple MG-34 armed motorcycles versus a combined 101st/82nd Army Airborne element of 100 troops. The battle in total raged for an hour until it came to a draw when our Puma was shot by an airborne recoiless rifle.

Thursday, Friday, and Saturday had events at night for reenactors including a grew Biergarten party at a local bar, a huge pasta dinner and dance at the human resources center, and some great food at a local pizzeria/deli on Thursday. We were provided free meals throughout the day by the Großdeutschland Feldküchen/Gulashkanonen. We had ham, eggs, and kaiser rolls served to is all thre mornings for breakfast, and some hearty meals for lunch like brats, rolls, sauerkraut, gulash, and even pierogies.

This was my first public event, and it was so fucking awesome. I got to speak to American and German veterans from WWII who fought in normandy, and specifically sparked a great conversation with one of the Germans, Obergefreiter Willi Harsdrohm. He told me about the bombardment him and his battalion came under on Omaha (which is the beach battle I reenacted) and how his best friend - he said this while choking up and tearing - was blown to pieces by naval battery fire along with 10 other comrades on June 6th before the Americans landed on the beach.

If any of you guys can make it to Ohio next year for this event, GO GO GO!!! It is so fucking worth it, and it has free registration. There are many battles throughout the week with French Partisans and two big battles on Saturday (La Fiére and the beach battle scenarios).
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Post by: Riddlez on August 27, 2014, 10:39:28 am
They don't look bad to me on first impressions. Their gloves/hand protection are a bit dubious, but I dunno much about what was used in the early period, and that's something barely any groups get right, my group still has a lot of armadillos kicking about, but most members now have a decent set of authentic looking mittens (with modern armour underneath the linen, because seriously, protect your hands.)

Their combat looks pretty standard, which is fine if it's not as big a thing as it is to me. At least most of those spears are angled downwards and there's no hug-of-death going on.

A habitué loan word from French; posh for regular customer. But I am awesome, so I need awesome vocabulary.

I got that bit. No idea what an IR is though.

Fuck. I mean ER.
How the fuck have I been misspelling that?
Oh well, It was 0030 =P
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Post by: Ililsa on August 27, 2014, 03:08:19 pm
Fuck. I mean ER.
How the fuck have I been misspelling that?
Oh well, It was 0030 =P

Oh right.

Injuries aren't really common - especially not serious ones - if your group has any idea what they're doing. I really encourage having some body protection too, even a thin aketon is gonna do a lot if you can combine it with maille, and a full gambeson is gonna protect you fine on its own unless some tit hits you in a joint, in which case it'll sting for a while.
I say that, we have a bunch of injured members right now, but only one of them was actually injured by us, ended up with a cut running from his top lip to his nose. Didn't require a trip to the hospital though, and the first aid guys were basically useless.

Worst injury I have is a 5mm long scar on my wrist from a hand-and-a-half sword which was aiming for my head at the same time I was trying to strike. The very slight amount of pain was worth it to have even the faintest scar I can attribute to a sword.
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Post by: Riddlez on August 29, 2014, 04:10:07 pm
You only need one inexperienced asshole though.
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Post by: Ililsa on August 29, 2014, 08:13:59 pm
That's why I hate multigroup battles. If you train with someone, you get a mutual trust that the guy swinging a bit of metal at you knows what he's doing and isn't going to do something stupid.
In battles, everyone seems to try and stab you in the groin.

But then I've seen other groups do display combats where they've swung wildly at each other's knees and the backs of their heads/necks.
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Post by: joer5835 on September 01, 2014, 12:11:30 am
Just came back from my first multi period event, it sure was interesting.
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Post by: Captain America on September 01, 2014, 03:54:23 am
So it turns out that my Great Grandad was in the Black and Tans, wonder if there's an impression for that so I can further crush the pro-republican lie I've been living my whole life
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on September 01, 2014, 05:14:36 am
gtfo
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Post by: Vincenzo on September 01, 2014, 10:03:14 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8WbGh9tzTE
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Post by: Captain America on September 01, 2014, 12:18:36 pm
Fuck my life, I've always despised the Black and Tans, and then something like this happens. To be fair he did defect and become an Irish citizen later, but still...
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Post by: kpetschulat on September 01, 2014, 03:43:08 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8WbGh9tzTE

I got hard listening to this song. I like folk music.
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Post by: Ililsa on September 02, 2014, 08:22:45 am
One of my ancestors was hanged as a luddite, but I never get urges to smash my smartphone up for ruining the sacred tradition of pub arguments.
Tech's awesome.

Not oppressing the Irish is decent too.
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Post by: Malkolm R. Lind on September 02, 2014, 05:43:53 pm
The photos I have so far, Im sur emore will surface in a couple days.

 I had my first battle event of the season this week. It was fun meeting all my buds again and being out in the field. I have decided this season although I belong to a mainstream club im going to attempt to be as authentic as I can. I think I was the only person on the federal battalion of 100 or so guys to sleep only in a single wool blanket and who carried all of my gear with me into battle. Its kind of annoying being one of the few guys who cares enough about their impressions to do all of this but it also kind of give me a sence of pride of being the only one. Beyond Authenticity I enjoy the challenge of it.

 My Federal impression so far. I did some experimentation that turned out well of wearing my gear different. Notice how I have my gum blanket tucked into my belt. All in preparation for Pciketts Mill.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BjdisVtCcAA80sw.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BjdieNYCQAA46Ip.jpg:large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BjdibGOCAAAcd8C.jpg:large)
bit of a blooper (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BjdiwkECcAAhP_A.jpg:large)
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 We had an late morning pickett fight scenario. I was more game with trying to convince my officer to let me trade rations across the covered bridge that was just out of shot but sadly to no avail. Both sides were in some steep devil's den rocks rock separated by a river.

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Also heres a game of "Find Millander". As a hint im one of the few guys who isn't 12 or out of shape.

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WHAT!? You can't let a 12 year old carry a musket!  :o In my reenactments you have to be 15 years minimum to carry a musket to reenactments.
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Post by: Wolff on September 02, 2014, 08:07:40 pm
MUUURICA
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Post by: Duuring on September 02, 2014, 08:11:11 pm
MUUURICA
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Post by: joer5835 on September 02, 2014, 08:15:43 pm
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Foi39.tinypic.com%2F25urthl.jpg&hash=1d050de07031b491480e56504c0309f406345a34)
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on September 16, 2014, 07:18:00 pm
https://news.vice.com/article/a-military-reenactment-group-is-fixing-the-ukrainian-armys-decrepit-soviet-equipment?utm_source=vicenewsfb (https://news.vice.com/article/a-military-reenactment-group-is-fixing-the-ukrainian-armys-decrepit-soviet-equipment?utm_source=vicenewsfb)
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Post by: kpetschulat on September 16, 2014, 07:27:28 pm
Anyone going to the Liberation of New Oxford event in PA this weekend?
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on September 16, 2014, 07:56:24 pm
nope, we swaggin' in Rockford.


I think munk is going to new oxford as GI.
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Post by: munky-wunky on September 17, 2014, 07:12:57 pm
nope, we swaggin' in Rockford.


I think munk is going to new oxford as GI.

that is correct.

Im gonna shoot you kpetschulat :P
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Post by: kpetschulat on September 17, 2014, 07:28:07 pm
Provided I can fucking go now. I might have to work... Fucking garbage schedule. I hate myself. If you want Munk, I'll keep in contact with you so when I get there we can meet up and shoot the shit. I have yet to meet a FSE reeanctor.

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Post by: joer5835 on September 17, 2014, 07:47:17 pm
Have patience, Petschie, your day will come.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on September 18, 2014, 03:09:10 am
To be honest pets, meeting Landrik, Munk or I would be awesome but as for the rest of FSE, its overrated and totally not worth your time.

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Post by: Barraclough on September 18, 2014, 09:50:17 pm
wow
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Post by: Duuring on September 18, 2014, 10:05:17 pm
Hmmmm.

Ban?
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on September 18, 2014, 10:08:20 pm
Hmmmm.

Ban?


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O mighty Thor's wee little cousin. Have mercy on me little one.
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Post by: munky-wunky on September 18, 2014, 10:20:16 pm
Hmmmm.

Ban?

when the fuck did you get PRO-MOTED

gayyyyyy :P
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Post by: Duuring on September 18, 2014, 11:02:55 pm
Being epic.
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Post by: zac on September 18, 2014, 11:04:09 pm
lol.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on September 18, 2014, 11:07:07 pm
Ok that was too funny duuring. Nice try.
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Post by: munky-wunky on September 18, 2014, 11:24:02 pm
you too funny
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Post by: Ililsa on September 19, 2014, 02:10:29 am
Probably slipped Vince some 20s at an event.
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Post by: Olafson on September 19, 2014, 07:56:53 pm
I whitened by cartridge box sling today.

Mixed up some milk and chalk, as described in some historical manuals from around 1800. Looks pretty decent. To paint the sling I only used some ragged cloth, no brushes or anything else. The manuals do say that you should use a brush, but I can imagine that a lot of people would only have used some old cloth to paint it.

My idea is that I will whiten it now, and then let it get dirty for at least a year. I think that that will make the sling look much more "campaignish" than always whitening, or never whitening it.

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(https://abload.de/img/img_1555i8edc.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/img_1553p7ef5.jpg)
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Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Newkirk on September 19, 2014, 11:07:06 pm
Anyone have any good tutorials for making your own paper cartridges?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on September 19, 2014, 11:10:51 pm
Vince posted one on his fb some time ago, ask him.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on September 19, 2014, 11:34:15 pm
Here is my tutorial.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/10488038_10204368867441303_4360891103054902347_n.jpg?oh=27a6f12f0681d3d0d6ff1cf313210487&oe=54C1A89F&__gda__=1418033451_dcf772cd92608bb8cf25ea33488d2fed)
(https://scontent-b-fra.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10483989_10204368867481304_7927048516155285824_n.jpg?oh=686e26466185e760c651c8f86816c517&oe=549893C0)
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/936055_10204368867521305_2328825891771386996_n.jpg?oh=be6a14c103cca3986403f6e622e65fc4&oe=54CA40C1&__gda__=1422758429_b3c65ebc04c74a6a824f73193b0dd4c6)
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Newkirk on September 20, 2014, 01:58:56 am
Oh wow thanks. Now forgive my scrubness, but is there a certain kind of paper you need to use? And if so where do I get some?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: kpetschulat on September 20, 2014, 02:02:44 am
Not going to New Oxford this weekend. Fuck work...  :'(
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on September 20, 2014, 09:05:41 am
Oh wow thanks. Now forgive my scrubness, but is there a certain kind of paper you need to use? And if so where do I get some?

Normal printing paper works best. Dont use too thin, and dont use too thick paper. You don't want to loose your teeth when openeing the cartrdige, on the other hand, too thin paper breaks to quickly and when you bite it off, it rips to far and you have powder all over your face.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on September 20, 2014, 10:40:06 am
yep, 80 grams printing paper is fine.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Newkirk on September 20, 2014, 04:56:13 pm
Alright, much appreciated.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: zac on September 20, 2014, 10:28:03 pm
newspaper is used over here,printing paper found to be normally too thick
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Ililsa on September 20, 2014, 10:39:57 pm
The stuff used for papers is called newsprint, if you need to do a search for it.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Bluehawk on September 21, 2014, 01:03:38 am
You forgot the most important part of the cartridge, dumb-dumb:

Spoiler
the bullet.
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Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: George385 on September 21, 2014, 01:02:08 pm
You forgot the most important part of the cartridge, dumb-dumb:

Spoiler
the bullet.
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That tutorial thing vince posted is a reenactment version, in reenactment, we don't actually kill each other.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on September 21, 2014, 01:03:39 pm
You forgot the most important part of the cartridge, dumb-dumb:

Spoiler
the bullet.
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That tutorial thing vince posted is a reenactment version, in reenactment, we don't actually kill each other.

And he strikes again
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.infiniteunknown.net%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F03%2FCaptain-Obvious-123.jpg&hash=2b970df956d36b4341ed9f9a009ded2b2199878c)
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Sorry man, I couldn't resist.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on September 21, 2014, 03:33:04 pm
I think he was being sarcastic :P

George, that is. We obviously kill each other!
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Nipplestockings on September 21, 2014, 07:11:37 pm
You forgot the most important part of the cartridge, dumb-dumb:

Spoiler
the bullet.
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That tutorial thing vince posted is a reenactment version, in reenactment, we don't actually kill each other.

Hurr durr.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Landrik on September 30, 2014, 04:58:06 am
Wait, we're not supposed to be firing live rounds? I just figured we were all bad shots.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Wolff on September 30, 2014, 09:43:38 pm
last sunday i saw a sovjet soldier in da train from hannover to hamburg. Anybody knowings of a guy taking dat way after an event?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on September 30, 2014, 10:32:00 pm
Was it world war 2?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on October 01, 2014, 12:37:22 am
soviet scout gone wrong.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Wolff on October 01, 2014, 07:52:20 am
For me he looked like ww2. He had blonde hair and a red case with him.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: zac on October 01, 2014, 08:19:06 am
*wispers* Duuring, I said if we really had to retake the reichstag...not to go in uniform...and the sacred banner couldnt be hidden in a red case... The Entire Plan ist Kaput mein..Umm..Интернет Перевести Россия прохладно и все думаю, что я коммунист..
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on October 01, 2014, 09:47:34 am
could also have been that soviet 1970's group that does afgan war.

I don't know any of them personal however.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on October 01, 2014, 10:00:09 am
*wispers* Duuring, I said if we really had to retake the reichstag...not to go in uniform...and the sacred banner couldnt be hidden in a red case... The Entire Plan ist Kaput mein..Umm..Интернет Перевести Россия прохладно и все думаю, что я коммунист..

We have failed Ze Rodinu :(

Yeah, the afghan war group had some germans. Must be them.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on October 04, 2014, 08:24:03 pm
My unit has been invited by the 7th Line Bat. to attend a small extra event at an 18th century fort in two weeks. Quite unexpected, as we all believed we were done with reenacting for this year. But hell, I'm still in the mood to do some extra events.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on October 04, 2014, 09:54:37 pm
Yep, thats when leipzich event is.. so can't go.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on October 05, 2014, 12:23:37 am
I figured as much, it's gonna be quite a small event anyway: 7th Line, us and the 3eme grenadiers.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Cara on October 05, 2014, 08:34:51 pm
Was in Le Passage in the moutains with some line guys and 12e chasseurs à cheval, 2e and 7e Hussars, pretty cool event with a huge fireworks show for the plebs  :D
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Millander on October 05, 2014, 11:34:00 pm
Out of curiosity is there a progressive movement in the Napoleonic scene?

Also has anybody read the book "Incomparable: Napoleon's 9th Light Infantry Regiment"?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Mr T on October 05, 2014, 11:35:48 pm
Out of curiosity is there a progressive movement in the Napoleonic scene?

Also has anybody read the book "Incomparable: Napoleon's 9th Light Infantry Regiment"?

What do you mean by progressive movement?

And that book is on my very very very very very very very very very very very very long reading list.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on October 05, 2014, 11:38:50 pm
He mean some group who does everything opposite of the 21e "De la Farbs".


You know like.....dare I say? Authentic? :O
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Millander on October 05, 2014, 11:50:06 pm
Well I suppose the example of what I mean in ACW is a majority of reenacters dont eat period rations, dont authentically live like soldiers on campaign and so on. I have never seen any photos of NW reenacters "bivouacking" in the same manner that I see in paintings or read in first hand accounts.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Cara on October 05, 2014, 11:54:23 pm
Well I suppose the example of what I mean in ACW is a majority of reenacters dont eat period rations, dont authentically live like soldiers on campaign and so on. I have never seen any photos of NW reenacters "bivouacking" in the same manner that I see in paintings or read in first hand accounts.

We do this in Europe (in the 18e), we are bivouaking sometimes under a tent, sometimes only in the straw with a blanket. We are doing fire with only what we find around, and we are eating what we brought in our bags (mostly meat on the fire, bread and wiiiine).

I will send you when I have time some pictures :)
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Mr T on October 06, 2014, 12:05:44 am
I've seen a few bivouacs, there were a few at Montmirail, years ago 21e members bivouacked in their younger years.

Here's one at Montmirail. 

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1052.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fs450%2FMr_Tiber%2F14157751370_8e812a7172_z_zps89bd4459.jpg&hash=a8fa49c40df2537fd55736d27f061d3dcb1c5395)
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Wolff on October 06, 2014, 07:44:07 pm
some groups are doing it (well,  they forget about it in the night :D ) . One very well known is the 22. demi and some guys of the ostpreußische Landwehr or the badische jäger are doin it too

http://www.demi-brigade.org/
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on October 07, 2014, 12:38:12 pm
I wont mind doing it either, but doing it alone is stupid and doesn't work.
I also don't like to freeze, so during summer I wont mind at all, but in Winter, i am not entirely sure I like the idea.

Though then again, it is probably much warmer to sleep next to the fire than sleeping in your tent.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Mr T on October 07, 2014, 12:49:21 pm
I'd do bivouacking as well, but yeah as long as someone else would do it with me, think it requires a combined effort to pull it off successfully, though I need to buy a period tent first and other stuff I need for camp life.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on October 07, 2014, 02:17:46 pm
You actually don't need a tent for bivouacking. A bivouac itself refers to sleeping without a tent, with a encampment being a place where you 'camp down' for a longer period of time.

Here's a picture of a bivouac of the Dutch heavy cavalry in the summer of 1815, near Paris, with British forces encamped in the background.
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(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/1544412_10202491328116490_370950566_n.jpg?oh=7d2435f505630bab5fd4d121bec8911d&oe=54BE1DF5&__gda__=1420960814_57d73a81378f90eedc79c7270679c446)
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Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Mr T on October 07, 2014, 03:31:50 pm
I know what a bivoac is, but I need a tent anyway for when not doing a bivuac
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on October 07, 2014, 04:35:09 pm
I like how you guys responded with "oh yeah, sometime"  "Sure but until the night"  "Yeah but i need tents first"


All of you are bunch of pussies seriously.

In ACW, everyone doing campaigner for 3 day straight. Hell there is even a hardcore campaigner event that will span two weekend and one week straight.  I seriously believe progressive attitude in napoleonic is half-assed. You ain't progressive until you do it from Friday to Sunday. It's seriously not that hard. Just get a group that's actually smart and willing. Half of you already got that. Just do it! Get out there and and earn your man-card.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Mr T on October 07, 2014, 04:44:12 pm
I like how you guys responded with "oh yeah, sometime"  "Sure but until the night"  "Yeah but i need tents first"


All of you are bunch of pussies seriously.

In ACW, everyone doing campaigner for 3 day straight. Hell there is even a hardcore campaigner event that will span two weekend and one week straight.  I seriously believe progressive attitude in napoleonic is half-assed. You ain't progressive until you do it from Friday to Sunday. It's seriously not that hard. Just get a group that's actually smart and willing. Half of you already got that. Just do it! Get out there and and earn your man-card.

Fuck off and do it yourself then and stop acting like you're better than everyone else.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on October 07, 2014, 04:49:04 pm
I like how you guys responded with "oh yeah, sometime"  "Sure but until the night"  "Yeah but i need tents first"


All of you are bunch of pussies seriously.

In ACW, everyone doing campaigner for 3 day straight. Hell there is even a hardcore campaigner event that will span two weekend and one week straight.  I seriously believe progressive attitude in napoleonic is half-assed. You ain't progressive until you do it from Friday to Sunday. It's seriously not that hard. Just get a group that's actually smart and willing. Half of you already got that. Just do it! Get out there and and earn your man-card.

Fuck off and do it yourself then and stop acting like you're better than everyone else.


Bitch please. Especially you, grow some balls.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on October 07, 2014, 04:49:33 pm
I like how you guys responded with "oh yeah, sometime"  "Sure but until the night"  "Yeah but i need tents first"


All of you are bunch of pussies seriously.

In ACW, everyone doing campaigner for 3 day straight. Hell there is even a hardcore campaigner event that will span two weekend and one week straight.  I seriously believe progressive attitude in napoleonic is half-assed. You ain't progressive until you do it from Friday to Sunday. It's seriously not that hard. Just get a group that's actually smart and willing. Half of you already got that. Just do it! Get out there and and earn your man-card.

Fuck off and do it yourself then and stop acting like you're better than everyone else.

He has a point though. A small tweak here and there and you get a place that is quite near as comfortable as a regular tent with modern equipment. You just spend more time preparing it, and the great advantage of modern equipment is is that it's more durable and can be packed to take with you. But since you people seem to be staying in one position for a longer period (if I am correct), it pays off to make a real shed or improvised tent.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Crescent Glow on October 07, 2014, 04:49:55 pm
I like how you guys responded with "oh yeah, sometime"  "Sure but until the night"  "Yeah but i need tents first"


All of you are bunch of pussies seriously.

In ACW, everyone doing campaigner for 3 day straight. Hell there is even a hardcore campaigner event that will span two weekend and one week straight.  I seriously believe progressive attitude in napoleonic is half-assed. You ain't progressive until you do it from Friday to Sunday. It's seriously not that hard. Just get a group that's actually smart and willing. Half of you already got that. Just do it! Get out there and and earn your man-card.

Fuck off and do it yourself then and stop acting like you're better than everyone else.


Bitch please. Especially you, grow some balls.

Can you even fit in a tent?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on October 07, 2014, 04:50:53 pm
Spoiler
I like how you guys responded with "oh yeah, sometime"  "Sure but until the night"  "Yeah but i need tents first"


All of you are bunch of pussies seriously.

In ACW, everyone doing campaigner for 3 day straight. Hell there is even a hardcore campaigner event that will span two weekend and one week straight.  I seriously believe progressive attitude in napoleonic is half-assed. You ain't progressive until you do it from Friday to Sunday. It's seriously not that hard. Just get a group that's actually smart and willing. Half of you already got that. Just do it! Get out there and and earn your man-card.

Fuck off and do it yourself then and stop acting like you're better than everyone else.


Bitch please. Especially you, grow some balls.
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Can you even fit in a tent?

Unlike some people, he actually tries and do it.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on October 07, 2014, 04:55:00 pm
lel.   Actually no i cant fit my shelter half. I'm too tall for it. Damn feet always get wet or i do some weird ass position that give my back pain next day.  Am i gonna farb out and get myself a huge tent? Nope. Why? records shows the original troops only get this certain tent, so tall people will have to deal with it. 

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Mr T on October 07, 2014, 05:02:18 pm
I like how you guys responded with "oh yeah, sometime"  "Sure but until the night"  "Yeah but i need tents first"


All of you are bunch of pussies seriously.

In ACW, everyone doing campaigner for 3 day straight. Hell there is even a hardcore campaigner event that will span two weekend and one week straight.  I seriously believe progressive attitude in napoleonic is half-assed. You ain't progressive until you do it from Friday to Sunday. It's seriously not that hard. Just get a group that's actually smart and willing. Half of you already got that. Just do it! Get out there and and earn your man-card.

Fuck off and do it yourself then and stop acting like you're better than everyone else.


Bitch please. Especially you, grow some balls.

Especially me? Who the hell do you think you are?

All of you are bunch of pussies seriously.

In case it hasn't escaped your notice, not everyone can dedicate to their hobby 24/7 nor afford everything at once.
You have no right whatsoever to judge people, nor insult them for such things, grow up.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on October 07, 2014, 05:05:30 pm
Pretty sure doing a biovac would save you money. I mean no tent required.....
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on October 07, 2014, 05:56:25 pm
And it would require people actually sleeping on the ground. Which is hard to find. I would do it, but I am not willing to sleep outside all alone. I don't feel like doing it if no one else bothers to.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vorposten on October 07, 2014, 06:18:24 pm
And it would require people actually sleeping on the ground. Which is hard to find. I would do it, but I am not willing to sleep outside all alone. I don't feel like doing it if no one else bothers to.
Remembers me on Wilhelmstein. My first event without a tent xD
A bit hard, but it was ok :D
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Ililsa on October 07, 2014, 06:22:59 pm
At the moment I am plastic camping scum.

Which sucks for two reasons - Inauthentic, and it means that I'm always a quarter of a mile from the main camp, which sucks for the whole 'community' feel of the campsite.

In my experience though, sleeping on the ground is liable to give me mould and hypothermia. Not had a dry 2 day event yet.
Gonna go authentic sleeping when I have my own tent though. Cheaper and less stuff to carry, and looks awesome.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Mr T on October 07, 2014, 06:33:02 pm
At the moment I am plastic camping scum.

Which sucks for two reasons - Inauthentic, and it means that I'm always a quarter of a mile from the main camp, which sucks for the whole 'community' feel of the campsite.

Same here
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on October 07, 2014, 06:45:43 pm
I got a linnen sack which I fill with hay, tada an authentic matras. And then I put a modern sleeping bag on it, and cover it up with linnen sheets.

Much inaccuracy, such shame.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: kpetschulat on October 07, 2014, 07:19:39 pm
I like how you guys responded with "oh yeah, sometime"  "Sure but until the night"  "Yeah but i need tents first"


All of you are bunch of pussies seriously.

In ACW, everyone doing campaigner for 3 day straight. Hell there is even a hardcore campaigner event that will span two weekend and one week straight.  I seriously believe progressive attitude in napoleonic is half-assed. You ain't progressive until you do it from Friday to Sunday. It's seriously not that hard. Just get a group that's actually smart and willing. Half of you already got that. Just do it! Get out there and and earn your man-card.

Fuck off and do it yourself then and stop acting like you're better than everyone else.

Stop being a pussy. I do WWII, and I have done events with no tents, I had to sleep in the freezing cold and use my loaned mantel as a blanket and wrap my blanket around me. I woke up in the morning with frost on my helmet and boots... That's living like they did, nearly getting frostbite.

lel.   Actually no i cant fit my shelter half. I'm too tall for it. Damn feet always get wet or i do some weird ass position that give my back pain next day.  Am i gonna farb out and get myself a huge tent? Nope. Why? records shows the original troops only get this certain tent, so tall people will have to deal with it.

Try being 6'4.5" and trying to fit into a four quarter zelt. Lol. I'm forced to sleep diagonally in the zelt if I'm alone or curl in fetal position, otherwise I haven't the room to sleep,
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Crescent Glow on October 07, 2014, 07:23:36 pm
Euphoric
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: kpetschulat on October 07, 2014, 07:25:15 pm
Actually, it is. Also, if you don't reenact, gtfo... Stop contributing your bullshit and pointless arguments to conversations between actual reenactors. You and Riddlez are annoying with that shit.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Crescent Glow on October 07, 2014, 07:25:39 pm
Oh, just because I don't reenact means I cannot post here? Seems fair. It's cool that you guys reenact but sometimes you act like some sort of "master race." Insulting and shunning people away who aren't 110% historically accurate or correct when they reenact and aren't "superior" like you guys. You also assume that people who haven't dedicated their time and money to reenacting know nothing about it.

This is not directed to everyone who posts here, only a select few who believe that they are "better" than everyone else because they have the time and money to always be historically accurate when they reenact. And apparently have "infinite knowledge" when it comes to this stuff.

I have been to several Civl War reenactments as a spectator, but I have never participated because I don't have the time or money for it.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on October 07, 2014, 07:52:31 pm
That's right Petschie!

For ACW, i just use my gum blanket laid up and sleep with my wool blanket, sometime coverlet too if knapsack permit it that weekend.  I only put up my shelter if its going to rain, if not, i use it as a blanket as well then. 

I slept through the polar vortex outdoor in a foxhole during a snowstorm. The temperature dropped to 6 by midnight. My field cap was covered in icy frost. This event is coming up in Decemeber, am I fucking ready for it? Hell yes.


Btw Petsch, this is for you. 
Spoiler
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.fjcdn.com%2Flarge%2Fpictures%2Fa9%2F0e%2Fa90eb4_4823834.jpg&hash=9b6b394d4f8e3c6fb94751936e3c378e3767d731)
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Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on October 07, 2014, 08:20:52 pm
Actually, it is. Also, if you don't reenact, gtfo... Stop contributing your bullshit and pointless arguments to conversations between actual reenactors. You and Riddlez are annoying with that shit.

And you can politely fuck off. Or you could and stop me. Which wouldn't work.

On the tent part, as long as the damp can't reach you, you're perfectly safe. You might just as well compensate health for authenticity by putting small garbage bags under whatever you sleep on, if you do it correctly, it looks as if you don't. But hey, at least you don't wake up as a fucking shroom.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: munky-wunky on October 07, 2014, 08:31:48 pm
you both still don't know shit
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on October 07, 2014, 08:32:50 pm
you both still don't know shit

Hi, I am shit, nice to meet you.

Also, nice strawman. We never said we did.
Also, gg for the way you treat people who are genuinly interested in your hobby.
You seem to only confirm that re-enactors are full of themselves.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Crescent Glow on October 07, 2014, 08:35:32 pm
You guys give a great first impression to people who are interested in your hobby.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on October 07, 2014, 08:36:47 pm
You guys give a great first impression to people who are interested in your hobby.

Prepare for the organised sound of rustled jimmies.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on October 07, 2014, 08:41:16 pm
Oh, just because I don't reenact means I cannot post here? Seems fair. It's cool that you guys reenact but sometimes you act like some sort of "master race." Insulting and shunning people away who aren't 110% historically accurate or correct when they reenact and aren't "superior" like you guys. You also assume that people who haven't dedicated their time and money to reenacting know nothing about it.

This is not directed to everyone who posts here, only a select few who believe that they are "better" than everyone else because they have the time and money to always be historically accurate when they reenact. And apparently have "infinite knowledge" when it comes to this stuff.

I have been to several Civl War reenactments as a spectator, but I have never participated because I don't have the time or money for it.

+1
Let people do what they want to do.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on October 07, 2014, 08:48:10 pm
It's a forum, you can discuss things on a forum...  last time I checked...
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Mr T on October 07, 2014, 08:50:30 pm
Oh, just because I don't reenact means I cannot post here? Seems fair. It's cool that you guys reenact but sometimes you act like some sort of "master race." Insulting and shunning people away who aren't 110% historically accurate or correct when they reenact and aren't "superior" like you guys. You also assume that people who haven't dedicated their time and money to reenacting know nothing about it.

This is not directed to everyone who posts here, only a select few who believe that they are "better" than everyone else because they have the time and money to always be historically accurate when they reenact. And apparently have "infinite knowledge" when it comes to this stuff.

I have been to several Civl War reenactments as a spectator, but I have never participated because I don't have the time or money for it.

+1
Let people do what they want to do.

+1 too.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Crescent Glow on October 07, 2014, 08:51:02 pm
Personal attacks and insults on people who don't agree with you is not a form of discussion.

you both still don't know shit

Also, if you don't reenact, gtfo...

Several others..

Remember guys, its called a "hobby" for a reason. You do it for fun. Just because someone doesnt have the money to do reenacting or be 100% historically accurate while doing it doesn't give you the right to harass and insult them.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Mr T on October 07, 2014, 09:11:08 pm
Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on October 07, 2014, 09:12:06 pm
Oh, just because I don't reenact means I cannot post here? Seems fair. It's cool that you guys reenact but sometimes you act like some sort of "master race." Insulting and shunning people away who aren't 110% historically accurate or correct when they reenact and aren't "superior" like you guys. You also assume that people who haven't dedicated their time and money to reenacting know nothing about it.

This is not directed to everyone who posts here, only a select few who believe that they are "better" than everyone else because they have the time and money to always be historically accurate when they reenact. And apparently have "infinite knowledge" when it comes to this stuff.

I have been to several Civl War reenactments as a spectator, but I have never participated because I don't have the time or money for it.

+1
Let people do what they want to do.

+1 too.

Totally agreed
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: kpetschulat on October 07, 2014, 09:24:22 pm
I don't mind the fact that you want to talk about it, but when you provide nothing but nonsense in a discussion between reenactors discussing the use of tents and whatnot, it's annoying and irritating for many of us. You guys have not done what we have done, to the extremes that some of us have done... If that makes up me full of myself for doing that, then whatever... I nearly went to the hospital after my FIRST event ever, because I had hypothermia. Luckily, I managed to warm my body enough before I had to leave the event to avoid going to the hospital. Some of us take this hobby very seriously, and I am one of them. I don't joke around for shit about the things I do. The only problem with me, which I have been working on and continue to work on, is my weight. Once that's set, I'll fit in even better.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Wolff on October 07, 2014, 09:31:52 pm
it's annoying and irritating for many of us

for you and two other reenactment master race muricans. plox gib more freedom to reenactment.

Seriously, riddelz and pineapple seem to be the smartest guys in this thread :D
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on October 07, 2014, 10:03:51 pm
I like how you guys avoid sleeping without tent because of the damp.

While wool blanket is there to keep you warm and gum blanket to keep you dry.  Now before you try fight back by saying nap war is way earlier than ACW. My buddy Brent sitz does Rev War and he too has a rubberized ground sheet. So, you telling me that nap war decided to drop that certain piece of equipment?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: kpetschulat on October 07, 2014, 10:18:08 pm
it's annoying and irritating for many of us

for you and two other reenactment master race muricans. plox gib more freedom to reenactment.

Seriously, riddelz and pineapple seem to be the smartest guys in this thread :D

Seems like you EU boys and girls are just so fucking different than the way we do it in America. Lern 2 hardcore pl0x
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on October 07, 2014, 10:36:56 pm
I like how you guys avoid sleeping without tent because of the damp.

While wool blanket is there to keep you warm and gum blanket to keep you dry.  Now before you try fight back by saying nap war is way earlier than ACW. My buddy Brent sitz does Rev War and he too has a rubberized ground sheet. So, you telling me that nap war decided to drop that certain piece of equipment?

Yes, definitely. No such items were ever issued to French (or Dutch) units.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on October 07, 2014, 11:11:15 pm
Gum blankets in Europe? :P  Not at that time, no.

Anyway, I found some nice pics. Wish I was there.

Spoiler
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.demi-brigade.org%2Fleip13-a.jpg&hash=6102b55ea2906da5e8a868bbc6bedd40a8f0a7ec)

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.demi-brigade.org%2Fleip13-u.jpg&hash=497fb0343af37aa28cd37daa369d4ac7c6b0b7fa)
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Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Mr T on October 07, 2014, 11:43:04 pm
Thats brilliant, the night picture looks amazing, very nice bivouac. Straw, a Napoleonic reenactor's best friend. 
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on October 07, 2014, 11:48:32 pm
Gum blankets in Europe? :P  Not at that time, no.

Anyway, I found some nice pics. Wish I was there.

Spoiler
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.demi-brigade.org%2Fleip13-a.jpg&hash=6102b55ea2906da5e8a868bbc6bedd40a8f0a7ec)

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.demi-brigade.org%2Fleip13-u.jpg&hash=497fb0343af37aa28cd37daa369d4ac7c6b0b7fa)
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This would never happen in the Netherlands, the authorities would start bitching about fire safety with all that straw and branches.
I had an event in which we stayed on stone and they already bitched to us about fire safety. I mean seriously, what is there to torch if you have nothing but stone and brikcs around you.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Newkirk on October 07, 2014, 11:57:44 pm
Tried my hand at making some cartridges today, how'd I do?

Quite a large image
(https://i.imgur.com/U6ggvne.jpg)
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Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Mr T on October 08, 2014, 12:24:56 am
Tried my hand at making some cartridges today, how'd I do?

Quite a large image
(https://i.imgur.com/U6ggvne.jpg)
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Look ok to me
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Nipplestockings on October 08, 2014, 12:42:09 am
Oh, just because I don't reenact means I cannot post here? Seems fair. It's cool that you guys reenact but sometimes you act like some sort of "master race." Insulting and shunning people away who aren't 110% historically accurate or correct when they reenact and aren't "superior" like you guys. You also assume that people who haven't dedicated their time and money to reenacting know nothing about it.

This is not directed to everyone who posts here, only a select few who believe that they are "better" than everyone else because they have the time and money to always be historically accurate when they reenact. And apparently have "infinite knowledge" when it comes to this stuff.

I have been to several Civl War reenactments as a spectator, but I have never participated because I don't have the time or money for it.

He's not saying people who don't reenact aren't allowed to post - merely people who are stirring things up with no real contribution at all. Anyway, maybe if you learned to ride a horse instead of beating off to them all day you'd have something more to say in this thread.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Cara on October 08, 2014, 12:43:27 am
Tried my hand at making some cartridges today, how'd I do?

Quite a large image
(https://i.imgur.com/U6ggvne.jpg)
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Nice ! But quite thick paper, don't loose a theeth when you take it (as one guy of my group did :P )
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on October 08, 2014, 01:04:02 am
I like how you guys avoid sleeping without tent because of the damp.

While wool blanket is there to keep you warm and gum blanket to keep you dry.  Now before you try fight back by saying nap war is way earlier than ACW. My buddy Brent sitz does Rev War and he too has a rubberized ground sheet. So, you telling me that nap war decided to drop that certain piece of equipment?

Yes, definitely. No such items were ever issued to French (or Dutch) units.


Sucks to be the losers (except the Dutch, luv 'em) 

Must be limited to the Crown's Force I guess. Now since rubber blanket don't exist for the "Frenchies" what do you use to cover the ground then in the tent? The morning dew still will be there anyway.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Newkirk on October 08, 2014, 01:19:05 am
Tried my hand at making some cartridges today, how'd I do?

Quite a large image
(https://i.imgur.com/U6ggvne.jpg)
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Nice ! But quite thick paper, don't loose a theeth when you take it (as one guy of my group did :P )

Yeah I tore open the first one I made to get a feel for it, I just had to flip that top flap up or bite below it and I was fine. :P

22/150 done by Saturday. (phone picture quality is pretty poop.)
(https://i.imgur.com/u9LD5wu.jpg)
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Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Crescent Glow on October 08, 2014, 03:21:48 am
Oh, just because I don't reenact means I cannot post here? Seems fair. It's cool that you guys reenact but sometimes you act like some sort of "master race." Insulting and shunning people away who aren't 110% historically accurate or correct when they reenact and aren't "superior" like you guys. You also assume that people who haven't dedicated their time and money to reenacting know nothing about it.

This is not directed to everyone who posts here, only a select few who believe that they are "better" than everyone else because they have the time and money to always be historically accurate when they reenact. And apparently have "infinite knowledge" when it comes to this stuff.

I have been to several Civl War reenactments as a spectator, but I have never participated because I don't have the time or money for it.

He's not saying people who don't reenact aren't allowed to post - merely people who are stirring things up with no real contribution at all. Anyway, maybe if you learned to ride a horse instead of beating off to them all day you'd have something more to say in this thread.

That's exactly what he was saying.

Also, if you don't reenact, gtfo...

I wasn't stirring up anything in the first place, it began with a discussion regarding how people camp out during reenactments. The insults began flying when people had conflicting ideas on how they do it. Maybe if you actually looked at the past few pages and read all the posts instead of directly insulting me merely because of the kinds of shows I watch; you would have known what happened and wouldn't behave like such a bigot. I honestly don't understand why you felt it was necessary to post such things, you weren't involved in the discussion at all and don't have a place on this thread if you are going to post such disrespectful things.

I have plenty to say. Once again, if you read the past pages instead of verbally assaulting me with your screwed-up notion of what a fan of MLP is you would know.

It's all in the past anyway, we should just move on and let people enjoy their hobby without ignorant people insulting fellow forum-users.



Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on October 08, 2014, 04:29:22 am
You're right.

Let me introduce you to the reenacting side of the community

Insulting each other authenticity, pretty much 80% of what the hobby is about, 20% is about re-living the past.


Enjoy discussing and chatting with reenactors bud. Have a good one.  ;)
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: munky-wunky on October 08, 2014, 04:33:06 am
You're right.

Let me introduce you to the reenacting side of the community

Insulting each other authenticity, pretty much 80% of what the hobby is about, 20% is about re-living the past.


Enjoy discussing and chatting with reenactors bud. Have a good one.  ;)

1+
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Ililsa on October 08, 2014, 05:32:31 am
True. Everyone in thread confirmed for farbs.

Is gum stuff the same as impregnated linen/canvas? That's what tends to be used for Medieval tents, dunno about other periods, but I guess it may used for groundsheets too, unless it gets mouldy as fuck.

A guy in my group doesn't even bother with groundsheets though, just has a bedroll and straw mattress and deals with the condensation.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on October 08, 2014, 05:46:35 am
True. Everyone in thread confirmed for farbs.

Is gum stuff the same as impregnated linen/canvas? That's what tends to be used for Medieval tents, dunno about other periods, but I guess it may used for groundsheets too, unless it gets mouldy as fuck.

A guy in my group doesn't even bother with groundsheets though, just has a bedroll and straw mattress and deals with the condensation.


Gum blanket is basically canvas with one side that's rubberized or painted linen so yeah basically.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Mr T on October 08, 2014, 10:09:44 am
You're right.

Let me introduce you to the reenacting side of the community

Insulting each other authenticity, pretty much 80% of what the hobby is about, 20% is about re-living the past.

That's not what all of us try too do, some of us actually try to have polite discussion.

-1
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: zac on October 08, 2014, 10:22:45 am
Gotta love Yank Reenactors
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: MaHuD on October 08, 2014, 10:48:34 am
Gum blankets in Europe? :P  Not at that time, no.

Anyway, I found some nice pics. Wish I was there.

Spoiler
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.demi-brigade.org%2Fleip13-a.jpg&hash=6102b55ea2906da5e8a868bbc6bedd40a8f0a7ec)

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.demi-brigade.org%2Fleip13-u.jpg&hash=497fb0343af37aa28cd37daa369d4ac7c6b0b7fa)
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This would never happen in the Netherlands, the authorities would start bitching about fire safety with all that straw and branches.
I had an event in which we stayed on stone and they already bitched to us about fire safety. I mean seriously, what is there to torch if you have nothing but stone and brikcs around you.
They are very careful, and in some cases too careful. But in this case, with that exact setup, I can see why they would be upset.
As for the stone & bricks, you sure there wasn't any hay around ?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on October 08, 2014, 10:53:22 am
Gum blankets in Europe? :P  Not at that time, no.

Anyway, I found some nice pics. Wish I was there.

Spoiler
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.demi-brigade.org%2Fleip13-a.jpg&hash=6102b55ea2906da5e8a868bbc6bedd40a8f0a7ec)

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.demi-brigade.org%2Fleip13-u.jpg&hash=497fb0343af37aa28cd37daa369d4ac7c6b0b7fa)
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This would never happen in the Netherlands, the authorities would start bitching about fire safety with all that straw and branches.
I had an event in which we stayed on stone and they already bitched to us about fire safety. I mean seriously, what is there to torch if you have nothing but stone and brikcs around you.
They are very careful, and in some cases too careful. But in this case, with that exact setup, I can see why they would be upset.
As for the stone & bricks, you sure there wasn't any hay around ?

Nope nothing, it was in an old fort. We had set up tents on a paved square just outside it. There was no hay distrubuted during this event at all.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Landrik on October 08, 2014, 10:57:05 am
I don't. I shoot at them for all of my impressions.

#DixieForever
#GottSchützeDenKönig
#WehrmachtBitchesAt

There are easy ways to sleep outside, even without a tent. A tent is optimal to protect from any possible rain. All you really need is insulation and that's very easily done with dry vegetation (straw works fucking amazing) and making sure your feet are very well insulated since they are pretty much your only extremeties that are the most difficult to warm up. Wear a cap (a night cap I suppose for you NW folk) to keep the head warm. Layers work wonders. If all else fails, snuggle up to your comrade. No homo.

My typical sleeping situation involves 1 blanket, 1 greatcoat, and my jacket. I wear all the other parts of my uniform including my boots WITH THE EXCEPTION if it will be under freezing temperatures. Sweaty feet in boots turns into freezing feet in boots. I'll usually lay on my greatcoat, have my jacket lay over my chest/neck/head, and then have the blanket on top of all of that. Pretty comfortable as far as sleeping on the ground goes. Bring spare socks/footwraps, long underwear, and a good attitude. Sometimes sleeping in a hole is more comfortable than the flat ground because I can allow myself to get snuggled into the ground. A little dig here, a little dig there, and you've got a customized bed.

Gum blankets in Europe? :P  Not at that time, no.

Anyway, I found some nice pics. Wish I was there.

Spoiler
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.demi-brigade.org%2Fleip13-a.jpg&hash=6102b55ea2906da5e8a868bbc6bedd40a8f0a7ec)

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.demi-brigade.org%2Fleip13-u.jpg&hash=497fb0343af37aa28cd37daa369d4ac7c6b0b7fa)
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Do they not teach you how to make a fire in yurop? Should've made a pretty good clearing around that firepit. Straw catches quicker than anything. That's pretty lazy. A meter or so would've been fine.

EDIT: I'd like to note that sleeping outside when it's under freezing - it's one of those things you need to prepare for. You can't just sleep outside like the rest of the year. More planning needs to go into your shelter and PLENTY of insulation should be kept at hand. A fire only does so much, especially when it burns out halfway through the night. You have to remember that the guys who did it for real a few hundred years ago built winter quarters in varying quality. You aught to do the same.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on October 08, 2014, 11:10:09 am
Gum blankets in Europe? :P  Not at that time, no.

Anyway, I found some nice pics. Wish I was there.

Spoiler
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.demi-brigade.org%2Fleip13-a.jpg&hash=6102b55ea2906da5e8a868bbc6bedd40a8f0a7ec)

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.demi-brigade.org%2Fleip13-u.jpg&hash=497fb0343af37aa28cd37daa369d4ac7c6b0b7fa)
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This would never happen in the Netherlands, the authorities would start bitching about fire safety with all that straw and branches.
I had an event in which we stayed on stone and they already bitched to us about fire safety. I mean seriously, what is there to torch if you have nothing but stone and brikcs around you.
They are very careful, and in some cases too careful. But in this case, with that exact setup, I can see why they would be upset.
As for the stone & bricks, you sure there wasn't any hay around ?

And that while we have a very capable FD.
Also, treest don't just catch fire because of a small campfire. Neither do bushes. As long as the tents and hay aren't with in 5 metres of the fire, and you don't use wood that has the burning pieces pop off, it's perfectly safe, as long as you have some buckets of sand, stash of sand or water source nearby.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on October 08, 2014, 03:11:49 pm
I like how you guys avoid sleeping without tent because of the damp.

While wool blanket is there to keep you warm and gum blanket to keep you dry.  Now before you try fight back by saying nap war is way earlier than ACW. My buddy Brent sitz does Rev War and he too has a rubberized ground sheet. So, you telling me that nap war decided to drop that certain piece of equipment?

Yes, definitely. No such items were ever issued to French (or Dutch) units.


Sucks to be the losers (except the Dutch, luv 'em) 

Must be limited to the Crown's Force I guess. Now since rubber blanket don't exist for the "Frenchies" what do you use to cover the ground then in the tent? The morning dew still will be there anyway.

Well you use straw your greatcoat and blankets. That's all you have. In theory, if it is really cold and wet you can also make a pit, fill in some hot coals or bricks that you warmed up inside the fire and cover it with earth. Gonna keep you warm overnight.

I don't. I shoot at them for all of my impressions.

#DixieForever
#GottSchützeDenKönig
#WehrmachtBitchesAt

There are easy ways to sleep outside, even without a tent. A tent is optimal to protect from any possible rain. All you really need is insulation and that's very easily done with dry vegetation (straw works fucking amazing) and making sure your feet are very well insulated since they are pretty much your only extremeties that are the most difficult to warm up. Wear a cap (a night cap I suppose for you NW folk) to keep the head warm. Layers work wonders. If all else fails, snuggle up to your comrade. No homo.

My typical sleeping situation involves 1 blanket, 1 greatcoat, and my jacket. I wear all the other parts of my uniform including my boots WITH THE EXCEPTION if it will be under freezing temperatures. Sweaty feet in boots turns into freezing feet in boots. I'll usually lay on my greatcoat, have my jacket lay over my chest/neck/head, and then have the blanket on top of all of that. Pretty comfortable as far as sleeping on the ground goes. Bring spare socks/footwraps, long underwear, and a good attitude. Sometimes sleeping in a hole is more comfortable than the flat ground because I can allow myself to get snuggled into the ground. A little dig here, a little dig there, and you've got a customized bed.

Gum blankets in Europe? :P  Not at that time, no.

Anyway, I found some nice pics. Wish I was there.

Spoiler
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.demi-brigade.org%2Fleip13-a.jpg&hash=6102b55ea2906da5e8a868bbc6bedd40a8f0a7ec)

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.demi-brigade.org%2Fleip13-u.jpg&hash=497fb0343af37aa28cd37daa369d4ac7c6b0b7fa)
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Do they not teach you how to make a fire in yurop? Should've made a pretty good clearing around that firepit. Straw catches quicker than anything. That's pretty lazy. A meter or so would've been fine.

EDIT: I'd like to note that sleeping outside when it's under freezing - it's one of those things you need to prepare for. You can't just sleep outside like the rest of the year. More planning needs to go into your shelter and PLENTY of insulation should be kept at hand. A fire only does so much, especially when it burns out halfway through the night. You have to remember that the guys who did it for real a few hundred years ago built winter quarters in varying quality. You aught to do the same.

Yeah, as said before it does not seem like they care much for saftey. Maybe the straw was wet or they just were very careful and always had a watch around the fire. Usually you always have to have a pot of water next to your fire, and it needs to be far enough away from your straw and tents. On some events you also get fire extinguishers.

Looking at it, this groups seems to be doing it everywhere.

Spoiler
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.demi-brigade.org%2Fgrog13-a.jpg&hash=3f04ce5ea764f29a78301825570590c462d9c2ee)
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Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Mr T on October 08, 2014, 04:05:41 pm
Looks like they've done it before plenty of times so know what they're doing, could be they pour water on the surrounding straw to keep it from igniting?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on October 08, 2014, 05:26:57 pm
Or they're just careful. It is not like a little little spark can ignite all the straw. Put out the fire during night, guard it during day.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on October 08, 2014, 06:17:25 pm
Tried my hand at making some cartridges today, how'd I do?

Quite a large image
(https://i.imgur.com/U6ggvne.jpg)
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Quite good, though the bottoms could be better, make the bottom part shorter, then really smash that bitch flat on the table, it will stay better closed this way.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Newkirk on October 08, 2014, 07:17:03 pm
Tried my hand at making some cartridges today, how'd I do?

Quite a large image
(https://i.imgur.com/U6ggvne.jpg)
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Quite good, though the bottoms could be better, make the bottom part shorter, then really smash that bitch flat on the table, it will stay better closed this way.

Yeah I could tell that was the roughest part, I'll give it another go here in a few,  thanks.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Landrik on October 08, 2014, 09:47:23 pm
Looks like they've done it before plenty of times so know what they're doing, could be they pour water on the surrounding straw to keep it from igniting?

A waste of water, to be honest.

All I'm saying is that it's super easy to clear everything away from the firepit and you don't have to worry about it jumping somewhere if you want to fuck off and do other things. They can do as they wish, but straw burns very easily and can lead to a burnt shako. :P
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on October 08, 2014, 10:34:33 pm
Well, as soon as I have my full uniform, so including greatcoat and woolen trousers, and it's within historical season (Winter campaigns were avoided and men froze to death when they failed to do that. Gonna skip that one, call me a farb all you want), I'll try out historical accurate bivouacking. And maybe I'll hate it, never do it again and farb-sleep until the day I die, but at least I'll have tried it.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on October 08, 2014, 10:45:49 pm
At Hoogstraten this year, I slept on only straw and a woolen blanket, inside a tent though  :-\
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Ililsa on October 08, 2014, 10:48:02 pm
Same for medieval. On the whole, levied armies meant you could only campaign when the peasants had nothing better to do, like planting or harvesting their lord's crops.

As for fires, we're not even allowed them on the ground, we have to have a raised fire pit because people get antsy when their grass is scorched, let alone a hay inferno starts.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on October 08, 2014, 11:00:38 pm
Well, as soon as I have my full uniform, so including greatcoat and woolen trousers, and it's within historical season (Winter campaigns were avoided and men froze to death when they failed to do that. Gonna skip that one, call me a farb all you want), I'll try out historical accurate bivouacking. And maybe I'll hate it, never do it again and farb-sleep until the day I die, but at least I'll have tried it.

Good, call me then, so we can do it together!
That is... If you are in the same camp. Stupid Nassau!

Same for medieval. On the whole, levied armies meant you could only campaign when the peasants had nothing better to do, like planting or harvesting their lord's crops.

As for fires, we're not even allowed them on the ground, we have to have a raised fire pit because people get antsy when their grass is scorched, let alone a hay inferno starts.

Yeah, and it looks extremely stupid if you can not make fire pits. Just in case, I bought an extremely farb, modern day brazier. I hope I will never have to use it, but you never know.
Still better than having no fire.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on October 09, 2014, 05:52:54 pm
http://civilwartalk.com/threads/n-ssa-exploded-musket-images.104901/ (http://civilwartalk.com/threads/n-ssa-exploded-musket-images.104901/) 

Rest in peace ye beautiful original Springfield.  :'(
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Post by: joer5835 on October 09, 2014, 05:57:41 pm
That's a real bugger, but I'm glad nobody got hurt.
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Post by: Duuring on October 09, 2014, 06:03:06 pm
That's what you get for loading an old gun with modern powder.
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Post by: Mr T on October 09, 2014, 06:35:53 pm
Question, mainly for Olafson and Vince since both do same impression pretty much, what do you guys put in your backpacks to fill it up? I got a backpack last event but need stuff to put in it, I can put my cutlery and plate/bowl in there and my gilet, I was also considering a spare pair of gaiters, and 1 or 2 spare shirts but not sure what else I could put in.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on October 09, 2014, 07:00:52 pm
I usally put in my wooden bowl, my tinplate my fork knife and spoon, a book, if available some food (they would have carried bread etc. in there) a few small towels, my box with spices, 3 pairs of spare socks, a spare shirt, my remaining musket tools including some oil for the gun (I have the most important ones including one small towel in my cartridge box) and my gilet vest. If I have space left, I put my tin mug into the backpack too, if I don't I tie it on the back, outside.
Then obviously, put either the greatcoat (whichI cant atm, since I have no habit) or a blanket on top of the closed backpack.

That fills it up pretty well but there is still some spare space left. I need to get more "proper" stuff, like brushes etc. (to clean shoes), a shaving kit (even though I don't trust myself using it to shave, just for the sake of authenticity)  I was also thinking of getting another pair of shoes to tie them to the back of the backpack.

I obviously also have my bread bag filled up with stuff (A small pocket knife, food if I have any, another small towel and some candles) and my cartridge box has all important cleaning tools that I might need during battle.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on October 09, 2014, 07:24:17 pm
I ultra farb that shit if it's not a campaign event..
I bought a inflatable pillow in the correct size and i simply arrive at an event and unpack my backpack in the tent then blow up the pillow and it is as light as a feather... haha :D

Though i probably should load my backpack with all my shit, one of the guys of our regiment carries everything he has with him at all times.. that thing weights 10+ kilos.



http://civilwartalk.com/threads/n-ssa-exploded-musket-images.104901/ (http://civilwartalk.com/threads/n-ssa-exploded-musket-images.104901/) 

Rest in peace ye beautiful original Springfield.  :'(

You must be absolutely out of your fricking mind to load modern smokeless powder in any blackpower firearm, I hope he died himself and nobody around him got hurt, Stupidity beyond reason.


Naturally you now go blame it all on the fact that it is an original gun... haha...


Btw, the origional 3 band Enfield I own is proofed with a 210 grains shot which is survived without any problems..


Look at this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmsBF6CXs18
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Ililsa on October 09, 2014, 07:52:13 pm
While I wouldn't know as I'm a proud non-shaver - I only trim to avoid growth in the neck region - it'd probably be pretty awesome to learn to shave with a straight razor, it also means you can be a complete poser at living history events.

At Kelmarsh pretty much every WW2 British Officer I saw on the morning was posing, one foot on a stool, looking into a mirror whilst shaving.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on October 09, 2014, 07:52:40 pm
No one is blaming the fact it's original.   Smokeless powder done did it. GG shooter. 

N-ssa always felt like some stupid BS organzigation in my opinion.  A nazi back then will for sure call them Degenerate sub-humans.

No really, my beef with them is basically they slap on a vest and call themself a reenactor but they refuse to parcipate an actual event. They just wanna keep it NSSA event where they can get away with their farblicious smokeless shoot out.
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Post by: Olafson on October 09, 2014, 08:01:45 pm
Really? I dont understand that. Smoke looks so much nicer and looks much more powerful than smokeless...
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on October 09, 2014, 08:39:15 pm
I agree as well. Nothing like watching a powerful volley with some good ol' smoke.  Smokeless volley sound...so...wrong...
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on October 09, 2014, 08:48:31 pm
What's a volley without a little coughing.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Ililsa on October 09, 2014, 08:51:15 pm
What's a volley without a little coughing.

Arrows, that's what.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on October 09, 2014, 08:55:54 pm
What's a volley without a little coughing.

Arrows, that's what.


that's not a volley.

that's a Vol-fuckyou-ley

Spoiler
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2FXLfPwNbP4V4%2Fmaxresdefault.jpg&hash=0a1c2a313a0fac49b43e47838cd0095fcf333a8c)
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Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Ililsa on October 09, 2014, 09:04:29 pm
Would love to face one of those.

Only time I've had a volley loosed in my general direction in battle I actually had no idea if they were even shot.

The other time it was doing film extra work and all of the arrows fell short by miles.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on October 09, 2014, 09:32:13 pm
I agree as well. Nothing like watching a powerful volley with some good ol' smoke.  Smokeless volley sound...so...wrong...

Well it has its own little things going for it.
Countless of guns exploding, pieces of metal flying around, real wounds and blood everywhere.

Not that bad, roight?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on October 09, 2014, 09:33:35 pm
Would love to face one of those.

Only time I've had a volley loosed in my general direction in battle I actually had no idea if they were even shot.

The other time it was doing film extra work and all of the arrows fell short by miles.

Remember, there's only two types of troops on the battlefield... Archers and targets.

Also, I had a small question on the smokeless powder video. Wouldn't it be a little less bad in re-enactment? Since you don't put in bullets, the pressure can easily get away, no? I'm not saying it's smart to put smokeless in the fucking musket, but still, aren't the consequenses much less terrifying when you have a clear barrel?
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Post by: joer5835 on October 09, 2014, 09:59:37 pm
Bullet or no bullet, the thing is gonna go boom if you use smokeless powder. And not at the side where you want to have a boom.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on October 09, 2014, 10:06:48 pm
For some reason, this whole thing sounds like dry-firing a bow...
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on October 09, 2014, 11:38:56 pm
Even without bullet, the pressure goes high so fast it has no time to escape, chances it will blow up are still quite high.

Everyone note the last part about muzzle barrel obstruction, even if you fire your gun without a bullet, if there is mud in the barrel it WILL BLOW UP.

Always know what your doing, guns are not toys.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Mr T on October 10, 2014, 01:04:55 am
I usally put in my wooden bowl, my tinplate my fork knife and spoon, a book, if available some food (they would have carried bread etc. in there) a few small towels, my box with spices, 3 pairs of spare socks, a spare shirt, my remaining musket tools including some oil for the gun (I have the most important ones including one small towel in my cartridge box) and my gilet vest. If I have space left, I put my tin mug into the backpack too, if I don't I tie it on the back, outside.
Then obviously, put either the greatcoat (whichI cant atm, since I have no habit) or a blanket on top of the closed backpack.

That fills it up pretty well but there is still some spare space left. I need to get more "proper" stuff, like brushes etc. (to clean shoes), a shaving kit (even though I don't trust myself using it to shave, just for the sake of authenticity)  I was also thinking of getting another pair of shoes to tie them to the back of the backpack.

I obviously also have my bread bag filled up with stuff (A small pocket knife, food if I have any, another small towel and some candles) and my cartridge box has all important cleaning tools that I might need during battle.

I use my bread bag to store my modern valuables so that I have them close to me, I leave it in someone's tent when we go off for drill and battle.

I need to get a comb and shoe brush and clothes brush and other stuff but the trouble is where to get it from I guess. One of our Caporals uses a shaving kit, proper straight razor and stuff, he's a master lol. I'm 90% sure he's a Time Lord as well because of the way he dresses outside of re-enactment.

I should probably compile a list of stuff to get and where to get it from, I could get a spare pair of gaiters from Shakos GBL and such.
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Post by: Olafson on October 10, 2014, 09:51:57 am
Well yeah, I need all kinds of stuff like the brushes you talked about. But I have no idea where to get these from.
Spare gaiters etc. would be good too. I need some white linen gaitors, because everyone in the 85e is using them. I only have black gaitors atm.
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Post by: Mr T on October 10, 2014, 11:15:33 am
Yeah most 21e use black gaiters though I suppose a pair of linen ones wouldn't hurt just in case
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Post by: Duuring on October 10, 2014, 11:26:36 am
Linnen would make sense for everyday usage. Much easier to clean.
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Post by: Landrik on October 10, 2014, 12:24:30 pm
I plan on buying a Merkur 45 Bakelite safety razor and just buying all the other stuff to go along with it. Ideally it'd be a leather case where I could store my razor, spare blades, shaving soap, and brush. Then I'd have an original pocket mirror on the side. I think the only original stuff would be that and the containers for the shaving soap. Getting a bakelite soap box would be great too. Better than a bottle of Johnson & Johnson shampoo or something like that. :c

Since I bought a map case for myself and it has some pencils in there already, I'd like to buy a repro notepad as well as find some blank non-printer paper as to sketch down maps, orders, and the like onto.

Then of course I found a website that makes all sorts of paperwork and ration bags and boxes and it just reminds me of how much I need to spend on boots and winter clothing. I really aught to put little stars next to what I want for Santa to see. ;~; pls gib halp santa
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on October 10, 2014, 06:15:07 pm
I plan on buying a Merkur 45 Bakelite safety razor and just buying all the other stuff to go along with it. Ideally it'd be a leather case where I could store my razor, spare blades, shaving soap, and brush. Then I'd have an original pocket mirror on the side. I think the only original stuff would be that and the containers for the shaving soap. Getting a bakelite soap box would be great too. Better than a bottle of Johnson & Johnson shampoo or something like that. :c

Since I bought a map case for myself and it has some pencils in there already, I'd like to buy a repro notepad as well as find some blank non-printer paper as to sketch down maps, orders, and the like onto.

Then of course I found a website that makes all sorts of paperwork and ration bags and boxes and it just reminds me of how much I need to spend on boots and winter clothing. I really aught to put little stars next to what I want for Santa to see. ;~; pls gib halp santa


Krampus gonna get you first though.
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Post by: joer5835 on October 10, 2014, 06:38:11 pm
I got a little training day tomorrow. I was excited for it, untill I saw the weather forecast for tomorrow.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Landrik on October 10, 2014, 09:43:29 pm
I plan on buying a Merkur 45 Bakelite safety razor and just buying all the other stuff to go along with it. Ideally it'd be a leather case where I could store my razor, spare blades, shaving soap, and brush. Then I'd have an original pocket mirror on the side. I think the only original stuff would be that and the containers for the shaving soap. Getting a bakelite soap box would be great too. Better than a bottle of Johnson & Johnson shampoo or something like that. :c

Since I bought a map case for myself and it has some pencils in there already, I'd like to buy a repro notepad as well as find some blank non-printer paper as to sketch down maps, orders, and the like onto.

Then of course I found a website that makes all sorts of paperwork and ration bags and boxes and it just reminds me of how much I need to spend on boots and winter clothing. I really aught to put little stars next to what I want for Santa to see. ;~; pls gib halp santa


Krampus gonna get you first though.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EmqsEHl3P8[/youtube]
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Post by: Duuring on October 11, 2014, 02:11:44 pm
My last batch of Soviet stuff just arrived: Canteen, gasmask-bag, backpack and cape/half-tent. Uraaa!
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: zac on October 28, 2014, 03:23:02 am
http://historyandancestry.wordpress.com/2014/10/27/why-i-do-not-support-the-current-manifestation-of-the-progressive-reenacting-movement/
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: zac on January 06, 2015, 05:27:05 am
Anyone know any ww1/ww2 impressions for which you can have slightly longer hair??

danke
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Post by: Beech on January 06, 2015, 06:26:09 am
Looking for some Prussian reenactment uniforms and general equipment. If you could message me or reply on here any links would be very helpful!
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Post by: joer5835 on January 06, 2015, 06:51:07 am
Any specific period? "Just some Prussian equipment" is kinda vague.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on January 06, 2015, 02:34:05 pm
longer hair? Italians troop. 
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Post by: Olafson on January 06, 2015, 02:59:21 pm
Can Italian soldiers be regarded as soldiers?
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Post by: Frederik on January 06, 2015, 05:09:14 pm
Anyone know any ww1/ww2 impressions for which you can have slightly longer hair??

danke
Wehrmachtsbordell
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Fridericus Rex on January 06, 2015, 06:27:45 pm
Anyone know any ww1/ww2 impressions for which you can have slightly longer hair??

danke

Make Stalingrad if you have long hair :P
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Post by: George385 on January 06, 2015, 07:26:25 pm
Vince why you delete me off facebook?  :'( :'( :'(

I cri evrytiem
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Post by: zac on January 06, 2015, 08:09:33 pm
Italian, Been trying to find the hair regulations on Italians, Any help guys? Just need a few pics as proof :) ,Thanks
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Post by: Duuring on January 06, 2015, 09:25:53 pm
It would help if we had a visual on what hair length you're aiming for  :P
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Post by: Beech on January 06, 2015, 10:53:32 pm
Any specific period? "Just some Prussian equipment" is kinda vague.
Excuse my vagueness just assumed it was NW period. To answer that some Napoleonic War era Prussian uniforms and necessary equipment.
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Post by: Duuring on January 06, 2015, 11:08:28 pm
There's actually no group that does Prussian infantry.

Plenty do landwehr, though.
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Post by: zac on January 07, 2015, 02:34:21 am
Duuring..Well here it is..dont mind my 501st hat...

Yep..Its longer than usual...Curls!!!

(https://i.imgur.com/qEwl1sQ.png)
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Post by: Olafson on January 07, 2015, 09:41:27 am
Any specific period? "Just some Prussian equipment" is kinda vague.
Excuse my vagueness just assumed it was NW period. To answer that some Napoleonic War era Prussian uniforms and necessary equipment.

No Line Infantry, but I think there are some guys doing light infantry, alot of Landwehr and some Guard units.

This guy has a bunch of Prussian stuff:
http://schuhnagel.de/shop/

He can also sew uniforms for you. So if you want a Prussian Line Infantry uniform, ask him for it. Im sure he can do it.
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Post by: Vorposten on January 07, 2015, 02:41:06 pm
There are line-regiments for prussia, for example the Leib-Infanterie-Regiment or the Silesian Grenadier-Bataillon.
Also, there were Pommerian Line units, but they aren't this active anymore.  :-\
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Post by: Olafson on January 07, 2015, 03:00:02 pm
That is not regular line infanty. That is the guard or grenadiers.
We are talking about, LINE LINE infantry.

Regular guys.
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Post by: Frederik on January 07, 2015, 03:44:58 pm
Leibinfanterie Regiment is Line, its justanother namefor the 8.Regiment(1. Brandenburgisches)
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Post by: Olafson on January 07, 2015, 03:54:23 pm
Your'e sure?
You might be right ofc. IF so, then we have been all wrong. Noooooooooooo.
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Post by: Vorposten on January 07, 2015, 04:25:32 pm
Every line regiment had 2 companies of grenadiers, which are formed together with 2 other companies to one bataillon.
E.g.: The Silesian Grenadier Bataillon was formed out of the 1st and 2nd Silesian Regiment.
So grenadiers are also Line Infantry ::)

Leibinfanterie Regiment is Line, its justanother namefor the 8.Regiment(1. Brandenburgisches)
+1.
The'ye got the additional name because they defended Colberg.
Like the 2nd Pomerian Regiment, which got the additional name Colbergsches Regiment.
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Post by: Olafson on January 07, 2015, 06:16:38 pm
Good to know! THx
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Post by: Wolff on January 07, 2015, 07:42:24 pm
#OlafsonWorstGuyNotKnowingAnyShitBoutPrussiaInDaNapoleonicWarsOrMoreSpecificBoutPrussianRegimentsAndAboutGrenadiersInSomeOtherArmysOfTheNapoleonicEraEU
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Post by: Olafson on January 07, 2015, 08:25:04 pm
:(

Thats why I am French.!
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Post by: Wolff on January 09, 2015, 08:48:24 am
gib some good russian shops plox cuz the rubel is fucked up right now
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Post by: Captain America on January 09, 2015, 10:45:31 am
I've noticed Schuster's started using dollars for overseas stuff now, though I know voenspec.ru is still in roubles and does good quality from what I've been told, not had any of their stuff myself mind
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Post by: Wolff on January 09, 2015, 12:10:14 pm
wow much tsarist uniforms such cheap wow not much price want into many buyings  is it good uniforms? start ww1 russian reenactment? wow?
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Post by: Duuring on January 09, 2015, 12:44:30 pm
Yeah, Schuster switched to dollars at least a year back.

The guys who started the Nassau group are also starting Russian WW1, actually. They invited me like 19 times already.
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Post by: Wolff on January 09, 2015, 12:50:13 pm
duuring...you n me? tsar tsar?  ::)
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Post by: Olafson on January 09, 2015, 03:41:52 pm
Yeah, Schuster switched to dollars at least a year back.

The guys who started the Nassau group are also starting Russian WW1, actually. They invited me like 19 times already.

Don't! Pieter and Rogier are evil. They only want you to join Russia so they can suck the capitalism out of your blood. They want to make you a commie!
Join the french instead!
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on January 09, 2015, 03:49:19 pm
Duuring does ww2 russian, he is already a commie.
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Post by: joer5835 on January 09, 2015, 04:10:08 pm
Once you go red, you never go back.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on January 09, 2015, 04:38:39 pm
Once you go red, you never go back.


+   That.
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Post by: Olafson on January 09, 2015, 06:46:20 pm
Duuring does ww2 russian, he is already a commie.

Yes, but so far, his Dutchness is strong enough to withstand the communism. But a 2nd Russian impression will most likely overwhelm him.
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Post by: joer5835 on January 09, 2015, 06:51:46 pm
I dont know, man. That Nassau impression is already eating his Dutchiness away, that combined with the Soviet impresiion....
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Post by: Vincenzo on January 09, 2015, 11:20:01 pm
I think WW1 russian was not soviet yet... :P :P

Piegier are awesome though.. they do more impressions than their house can store.
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Post by: joer5835 on January 10, 2015, 02:34:04 am
My bank account simply start crying when I think of how much cool impressions they do...
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Post by: Olafson on January 10, 2015, 03:44:16 am
And I cry because I have the money, but don't want to spend it all.



SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO big question.
Should I/We get a Gramophone for WW1 reenactment?
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Post by: Captain America on January 10, 2015, 06:09:08 am
Blast dem ghetto French beats across no man's land
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThVa4YvBRQI
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Post by: Vincenzo on January 10, 2015, 11:37:10 am
I am with captain america on this one..  ;D
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Post by: joer5835 on January 10, 2015, 02:19:59 pm
Should I/We get a Gramophone for WW1 reenactment?
The question is not IF but WHEN!
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Post by: Colonel Howe on January 15, 2015, 03:56:50 am
Thinking of maybe joining these guys. They do a biannual event with the entire Great War Association at Newville PA. Can anyone recommend or advise against? I'm looking to do something with reenacting and I'm open to any time period from the Romans to WW2 as long as I live in relatively close to the group and their events

http://www.151ril.com/content/home
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on January 15, 2015, 06:02:54 am
Landrik is pretty much the only guy here that does WW1 with GWA. Shoot him a pm.
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Post by: Captain America on January 16, 2015, 10:49:34 am
I've been internet stalking 151 for a while, they are my dream group, 10/10 would shoot les boshes with
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Post by: Olafson on January 16, 2015, 03:30:36 pm
Based almost all of our French Impression on these guys research. They did a great job, everything is explained and written down properly and they have a great list of vendors. I really appriecate that they have done that. Makes it much easier to start an other French WW1 group.
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Post by: joer5835 on January 24, 2015, 04:14:25 pm
Perhaps not really relevant to reenacting, but I bought a Russian 2 kopek coin from 1798. No, not a replica, a legit one. :P
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on January 24, 2015, 05:12:56 pm
not enough to buy potato.
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Post by: Nipplestockings on January 30, 2015, 08:27:33 am
East coast Red Army scrubs, would any of you care to familiarize me with Soviet units operating in the area? I know I've asked this before but I'm planning tentatively on moving ahead in the nearish future and I'm needing some new info. I know of two large units - the 193rd and the 3rd. 193rd looks most attractive to me because they're smaller than the 3rd (right?) and according to munk, there's a nicer close knit atmosphere. The 193rd doesn't seem to have updated their website in a while, so all of their event schedules date back to last year. I am right in assuming this is just them not getting around to updating things, and not that they're no longer active, correct?

I'll probably just contact them myself sooner or later but I'm trying to gather some more info before I really get into things. I have access to a DP-28, but I'm not sure how to go about blank adapting and all that stuff (or even if I'd be allowed to use it). They'd be interested in having some more of those, no?

Cheers.
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Post by: Olafson on January 30, 2015, 11:38:33 am
Don't go for the Event schedules. Most groups that have a website barely update these, if even at all. It doesn't mean anything.
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Post by: Nipplestockings on January 30, 2015, 11:48:01 am
I know, but comparatively the 3rd infantry division has a very well maintained an updated website. Just want to make sure, and get the info since it's not all there.
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Post by: Duuring on January 30, 2015, 01:51:36 pm
Buy everything off Schuster.

I mean it. Everything.
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Post by: Colonel Howe on January 30, 2015, 03:29:24 pm
Buy everything off Schuster.

I mean it. Everything.
Even love?
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on January 30, 2015, 05:09:21 pm
nah 193rd still kicking around. That's munk unit. I highly recommend joining Red Guards though.
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Post by: Nipplestockings on January 31, 2015, 12:58:50 am
I'll look into them. Care to elaborate?
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on January 31, 2015, 03:24:39 am
http://theredguard.weebly.com/ (http://theredguard.weebly.com/)

One of the most authentic soviet unit on east coast. The unit leader also runs a great vendor on ebay.
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Post by: Nipplestockings on January 31, 2015, 03:28:15 am
Seems like most of their events are down south. Are they mainly based in the southeast?
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Post by: Colonel Howe on January 31, 2015, 03:32:06 am
This guy in the Red Guards(all the way to left)
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Looks like this man from Hogan's Heroes:
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Sergeant Schultz's revenge? I think so
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on January 31, 2015, 03:54:31 am
Oh well, there is bunch of east coast members too. That would sucks if it's too far for y'alls. They're definitely one great soviet group.
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Post by: Colonel Howe on January 31, 2015, 04:12:26 am
I sent the 3rd rifle division a message, haven't heard back yet
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on January 31, 2015, 04:22:18 am
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Just watch your steps ivans.
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Post by: Colonel Howe on January 31, 2015, 04:23:28 am
I was thinking about joining an Waffen SS unit but den I was like "no I'll Mosin me sum fascista scum"
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Post by: Nipplestockings on January 31, 2015, 04:52:26 am
Oh well, there is bunch of east coast members too. That would sucks if it's too far for y'alls. They're definitely one great soviet group.

Well I live in NYC so it would be like an 8 hour drive to events in Virginia and NC, and even further to SC. This wouldn't be a problem if they also had events up north that I could go to more often, but it seems like they're primarily located down south. I had checked out the Red Guards before and they looked pretty nice, and I'd definitely consider them more seriously if they were based closer to me.

Is there any definite reason you recommend the Red Guards over the 193rd or 3rd?
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on January 31, 2015, 05:24:37 am
SS, dank gott you didnt go with SS. Too many SS'ers and they're most likely neo nazis irl anyway. 



Nipplestockings, NYC is quite a location to consider reenacting i mean i hear NY laws aren't....friendly with WW2 era firearms. Anyway, one reason why i recommend Red Guards over 193rd/3rd is authenticity. Those two units are good but they aren't the best. I wish I could go into more details, best to ask Munk. From what I've told by Munk, he has mixed feeling. Wished he could go with Red guards instead but 193rd arent bad.  And i quote Landrik, "they urra too much"  ;D
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Post by: Nipplestockings on January 31, 2015, 05:33:19 am
Definitely wouldn't try to keep any firearms inside the city - got some family not so far away who would be happy to store my stuff. My uncle owns a Mosin and a DP-28 anyway, so as long as I sweet talk him successfully I'd probably be able to use them (maybe not the DP, he regards it pretty highly), so that shouldn't be a problem.

Well thanks for the info, I guess I'll have to put aside my laziness and consider the Red Guards more seriously.
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Post by: Duuring on January 31, 2015, 12:00:49 pm
red army masterrace
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We stole that fancy chair from a guy doing WW1 Pilot.
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Post by: joer5835 on January 31, 2015, 01:27:12 pm
Has chairs, still sits on the ground....
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Post by: Olafson on January 31, 2015, 01:41:12 pm
#Duuringlogic
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Post by: Colonel Howe on January 31, 2015, 10:14:45 pm
That's just soviet logic

10/10 spot on impression
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Post by: Captain America on February 01, 2015, 05:23:40 pm
"Tovarish Serzhant, what is wooden thing with legs?"
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Post by: Duuring on February 01, 2015, 06:01:07 pm
I'm not sitting on the ground, I'm sitting on a supply box.
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Post by: Olafson on February 01, 2015, 06:03:45 pm
Practically on the ground! There is a chair nearby!
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Post by: Duuring on February 01, 2015, 06:06:37 pm
Oh wait. The chair at the table? Oh no. No can do. That be the officer's chair.
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Post by: joer5835 on February 01, 2015, 06:30:36 pm
Officers with privileges? I thought the Reds were all about equality.
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Post by: Olafson on February 02, 2015, 12:17:46 am
Yeh. Shoot him in the back. He is gonna be replaced the next day anyway.
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Post by: Wolff on February 02, 2015, 08:36:53 am
in soviet-russia officer shoots you in the back...or in the face...or stomach....or chest.... atleast the officer or his political commisar officer friendo shots you somewhere  :-*
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Post by: Mr T on March 02, 2015, 01:34:34 am
Over the next few months I want to try get my hands on a bunch of stuff to mainly fill up my backpack.
I have compiled a list of stuff that a Fusilier in 1812 was supposed to carry and noted the sutler or site I was planning on getting some of these items.
Could anyone please give me some places to look up which make these accessories, and recommend stuff to put in my backpack that isn't on the list. Cheers.

Things I already have for filling my backpack:
2 spare shirts
Spare pair of black gaiters
tin plate, large wooden bowl, small horn bowl, knife, fork, spoon
Tankard
Leather pouch with coins and die
2 packs of cards



Stuff I need/want to buy:
Ball extractor
Spare pantaloons – from Shakos GBL
Oil bottle – MacFarthingbowls
Comb
Leather brush – Amazon (less there are better suggestions)
Coat brush – Amazon (less there are better suggestions)
Shoe brush – Amazon (less there are better suggestions)
Button stick
Shaving razor
Uniform repair kit – Coopers Choice
Account book (livret de compte) – Leather journal from Coopers Choice
Clay pipe – MacFarthingbowls


Maintenance stuff:
A copper brush
Tripoli powder
Spanish whitener (blanc d’Espagne)
Pipe clay
Brush for applying whitener
Linen polishing cloth
A bag of wire wool or emery

Optional: martinet - whip for beating clothes

Also does anyone know anywhere that sells authentic shoes?
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Post by: Olafson on March 02, 2015, 02:51:17 am
I believe a ball extractor was only issued to a squad of 15 men, so it isn't necessarily needed.

For brushes, I have no references, not sure if there actually are any...
What I am using is a WW1 french brush, and whip to clean clothes and shoes. You can find these on French ebay and declampe.net.
Same goes for the button polisher.

Shaving razor, just search on ebay, there should be plenty.
I bought a pack of like 50 copper brushes on amazon, shouldn't be a problem to find.

For whitening, just get some pipe clay, or white powdered chalk. Should be easy to find on amazon or ebay. There is no need for both spanish and another form of whitening. On campaign they most likely wouldn't have whitened their belts anyway.
If you actually plan on whitening your leather works the historical way, use a mixture of chalk and milk, or use some kind of modern paint. Both pipe clay and spanish are not very good for your belt, it will eat it away.

The brush for the whitener... People would get these, but there are a lot of accounts of people actually loosing them, or throwing them away. If you have some old ragged cloth you can just use that instead of a brush. Its just as historically accurate and it doesn't cost a whole lot.

Linen cloth, amazon. Just buy a pack of them for 3Euro.

Wire wool is not accurate for the time. Buy a polishing block from MC Farthingbowls. I have one and it works really well.

You should add some stuff to start fires with.
You know, stuff like this small mushroom that grows on trees. (I forgot its name and I am to lazy to google right now)
You can also get a firestriker set, although I never quite understood why a infantryman, who has a musket would get a flint and striker. The musket is the perfect portable firestriker...
Anyway, if you want a fire starter kit, either search on ebay or add "Frank Grenadier" on Facebook.  He sells those.

I don't know how you plan to sleep and eat, but maybe you should add a blanket or two? Also, especially on campaign events its useful to have cooking gear and a cloth bucket (for safety)
What about stuff to roll cartridges, and fill them with? Not really needed, but I put that in my pack because it is quite useful to have. Not necessarily 100% accurate though.

About shoes... There is this Czech guy making high quality replica shoes. But I forgot his name and the website link. Contact vince on facebook, he ordered a set from him, maybe he remembers.

A couple of days ago, I packed my backpack just to see what I can fit in there and how I can pack it properly.
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Ignore the cloth bucket and the brown strap. I will replace the brown strap with a white strap once it is time, and because I don't know if it is accurate, but still need it for safety, I lhid the bucket in side the pack (after the pic was taken).

This is how I would pack it if I don't want to wear the greatcoat. The blankets simulate the greatcoat. I would simply roll the blankets inside the greatcoat and then strap it on top.
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Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Mr T on March 02, 2015, 10:48:53 am
Yeah the whitening stuff is just for show really, I'll just get some pipe clay then.
I'll see about adding fire starting stuff in the future.
I have a large blanket but it's to big to go in the backpack, although if I have to wear my greatcoat I can try put the blanket on the greatcoat straps.
For cooking equipment I'm probably going to get those when I'm eventually going to move into the period camp.
Looks like I'm going to use a fair amount of linen, both to wrap stuff in and as period cleaning rags, I can probably get linen fairly easily locally.
I am seriously tempted to get a martinet because they were issued to 2 men each squad, depends how full my backpack gets I guess, and if anywhere even makes them.

Also does anyone know if The Sutler Store down under ships to the UK?
Thanks for the pointers Olafson.
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Post by: Barnesy on March 02, 2015, 11:36:02 am
Yeah the whitening stuff is just for show really, I'll just get some pipe clay then.
I'll see about adding fire starting stuff in the future.
I have a large blanket but it's to big to go in the backpack, although if I have to wear my greatcoat I can try put the blanket on the greatcoat straps.
For cooking equipment I'm probably going to get those when I'm eventually going to move into the period camp.
Looks like I'm going to use a fair amount of linen, both to wrap stuff in and as period cleaning rags, I can probably get linen fairly easily locally.
I am seriously tempted to get a martinet because they were issued to 2 men each squad, depends how full my backpack gets I guess, and if anywhere even makes them.

Also does anyone know if The Sutler Store down under ships to the UK?
Thanks for the pointers Olafson.

Andy Burke is the man to go to in the UK for period shoes
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Post by: Olafson on March 02, 2015, 12:48:36 pm
Either order a whip from french ebay, you can find it there sometimes, or ask Shakos GBL. I think Willem knows how to make them.
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Post by: Mr T on March 02, 2015, 01:16:43 pm
Yeah the whitening stuff is just for show really, I'll just get some pipe clay then.
I'll see about adding fire starting stuff in the future.
I have a large blanket but it's to big to go in the backpack, although if I have to wear my greatcoat I can try put the blanket on the greatcoat straps.
For cooking equipment I'm probably going to get those when I'm eventually going to move into the period camp.
Looks like I'm going to use a fair amount of linen, both to wrap stuff in and as period cleaning rags, I can probably get linen fairly easily locally.
I am seriously tempted to get a martinet because they were issued to 2 men each squad, depends how full my backpack gets I guess, and if anywhere even makes them.

Also does anyone know if The Sutler Store down under ships to the UK?
Thanks for the pointers Olafson.

Andy Burke is the man to go to in the UK for period shoes

Oooh thanks, does he make them to what the customer requires? I notice his infantry shoes mostly have buckles but I'd probably prefer mine with leather laces, awesome he does hobnails though .

Either order a whip from french ebay, you can find it there sometimes, or ask Shakos GBL. I think Willem knows how to make them.
I could always ask when I think I want to get one, would be an OK thing to have as a thing to talk about for living history.
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Post by: Barnesy on March 03, 2015, 11:05:24 am
Yeah the whitening stuff is just for show really, I'll just get some pipe clay then.
I'll see about adding fire starting stuff in the future.
I have a large blanket but it's to big to go in the backpack, although if I have to wear my greatcoat I can try put the blanket on the greatcoat straps.
For cooking equipment I'm probably going to get those when I'm eventually going to move into the period camp.
Looks like I'm going to use a fair amount of linen, both to wrap stuff in and as period cleaning rags, I can probably get linen fairly easily locally.
I am seriously tempted to get a martinet because they were issued to 2 men each squad, depends how full my backpack gets I guess, and if anywhere even makes them.

Also does anyone know if The Sutler Store down under ships to the UK?
Thanks for the pointers Olafson.

Andy Burke is the man to go to in the UK for period shoes

Oooh thanks, does he make them to what the customer requires? I notice his infantry shoes mostly have buckles but I'd probably prefer mine with leather laces, awesome he does hobnails though .

not sure. its always worth asking!
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Post by: Wolff on March 03, 2015, 12:04:43 pm
it's not a big deal to replace the buckles
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Post by: Colonel Howe on March 04, 2015, 03:49:24 am
Pirate reenacting

One way ticket to Somalia pls
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Post by: joer5835 on March 04, 2015, 01:56:53 pm
Well, there is an 18th century pirate reenactment group in the Netherlands....
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Post by: Colonel Howe on March 04, 2015, 02:13:33 pm
Y u Europoors have all the reenacting
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Post by: KurassierNixon on March 04, 2015, 02:13:58 pm
I reenact a butt pirate because I want ur booty
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Post by: George385 on March 08, 2015, 08:30:01 am
Just got back from the one event per year here for ACW, had a pretty good time even with the low numbers.
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Post by: zac on March 08, 2015, 08:51:09 am
Ironfest Soon :D

Vive La France and Vive La Italia!!!!
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Post by: Duuring on March 08, 2015, 10:00:56 am
Italia?
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Post by: zac on March 08, 2015, 11:56:21 am
Yes Got My Italian ww2 kit on the way :) , Decima Mas ,RSI, 1945 ..In both instances...watta mistaka to maka...
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Post by: Olafson on March 08, 2015, 05:26:51 pm
Is Ironman coming to the event?
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on March 08, 2015, 06:26:12 pm
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t34.0-12/11022903_10204136139588446_1522745899_n.jpg?oh=3d3bd68129d757860a751d841aab69fc&oe=54FF68B5&__gda__=1426021028_d7cd995d23541595b4da0440de8be22f)
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Post by: Ililsa on March 09, 2015, 01:13:53 am
ital? ital?
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Post by: OttoFIN on March 11, 2015, 07:18:41 am
After you guys get "killed", what do you do? When are you allowed to move? Is there respawning or something?
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Post by: Mr T on March 11, 2015, 08:16:59 am
Lol, respawning xD
Once you go down generally you don't get back up until the end of the battle, you just lay there and look dead. It's why, in Napoleonics anyway, the sides start to lose men when tge battle is in ffull swing. How long you can be laying there depends when you die and how long the battle will take.

For example, in Napoleonics, most of the redcoat units move veeeeeery slowly on the battlefield, so going down early could mean you're laying there a while, especially if the redcoats are supposed to die, because they take their sweet time.
Or they do what they did a Ickworth last year and refuse to die at all.
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Post by: Riddlez on March 11, 2015, 10:35:49 am
After you guys get "killed", what do you do? When are you allowed to move? Is there respawning or something?

Getz outer. re-enrektors ownly
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Post by: Duuring on March 11, 2015, 11:08:31 am
Re-enactors and nice people only.

Luvya
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Post by: Riddlez on March 11, 2015, 11:13:50 am
Re-enactors and nice people only.

Luvya

It's a shame the latter doesn't rule out the former...
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Post by: joer5835 on March 11, 2015, 12:38:14 pm
I hate those moments when the officer wants you to die at some point in the battle but then puts you in the second line.....
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Post by: Duuring on March 11, 2015, 03:19:24 pm
I hate those moments when the officer wants you to die at some point in the battle but then puts you in the second line.....

Yeah, that's silly. When I joined the 85e for Wavre, we'd actually move back, switch places, and then move up again.
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Post by: Mr T on March 11, 2015, 03:55:13 pm
Yeah best way to do it, we have the problem too sometimes in 21e, because our firers are usually in the front rank whilst non firers and members with depot kit are in the rear rank.
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Post by: Olafson on March 11, 2015, 08:16:49 pm
Yes, which is why in Wavre he switched us around, when we were told to die.
Shame though that I was ordered to die infront, or rather, inside a big puddle of cow shit. But whatever.

Anyway, best thing is ofc if you tell one of your buddys to pick you up after a while. So you can die, and he picks you up, carrys you to the back of the line and you can "respawn".
In wavre, the 85e moved forward and backwards, to pick up all the dead people lying on the field. Makes it less obvious and you can have a constant steam of dead people.

Sounds so weird...
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Post by: zac on March 11, 2015, 08:26:59 pm
At ironfest, the british last year took no causalities (We were meant to win :P ) ,and after the entire 21eme was knocked out of action, the 73rd and 95th passed over us, then we just got annoyed and stuffed it all and rose up and acted like zombies and attacked from behind (we died just before reaching them) , yes it looked wrong..but it wasnt half funny....
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Post by: Duuring on March 11, 2015, 08:29:04 pm
Yep. Seeing people fall is much more entertaining then seeing people laying on the ground.

The silly thing is that units are usually knocked out of action entirely at once. It's would be more accurate for units to take a volley, lose one or two guys, break order, and flee. Because fleeing is what these guys did a lot more then dying  :P
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Post by: zac on March 11, 2015, 08:44:20 pm
ye, the brits were meant to die...so they didnt, and it looked stupid, so eventually we were all dead...was quite amusing actually seeing the last guy look around and then he started to fake cry haha...
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Post by: zac on March 16, 2015, 12:11:51 am
Ohh And Duuring you will be happy, Soviet Impression next after Italian and Napoleonics finished hehe
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Post by: Duuring on March 16, 2015, 01:29:31 am
Nice. Please tell me it's normal infantry and not partisans/cossacks  :P
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Post by: Wolff on March 16, 2015, 10:52:28 am
it's glorious partisan cossack guard volunteer Political commissar with captured stg44 and katana captured from the japs always wearing uschanka. He lso rides on a bear wich carries a Maxim MG 1910  and wears some SS-Stahlhelme as a chain around his neck .
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Post by: Barnesy on March 16, 2015, 11:23:24 am
It is with great sadness to hear of the passing of Peter "Tiny" Castle of the 32nd (Cornwall) Regiment of Foot. "Tiny" was loved by one and all and his huge presence will be missed. I will always remember my first event where I met him. I'd had a couple of drinks and started Calling him Petit Chateau, a name that stuck with him for a very long time, in return I was always 'First Man of the Animal House' (Adam Barnes). Tiny will be a huge loss to everyone involved in the Napoleonic Association, and to those who knew him.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/11064679_10153121236179593_876575244920556325_n.jpg?oh=f2cf56dd314eeadba8c1111086e5b42b&oe=55812BC1&__gda__=1437744193_b62504ca223a7d5e3db551f79e578b27)
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Post by: Mr T on March 16, 2015, 11:48:34 am
Heard about his death, never met him or knew him but I see he was well loved by a huge amount of Napoleonic reenactors.

RIP.
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Post by: joer5835 on March 16, 2015, 01:31:05 pm
Oh, that's real sad to hear just before Waterloo :(

RIP.
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Post by: Millander on March 24, 2015, 05:29:18 am
Something I threw together.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11080904_1045147328848365_6179142837744989460_n.jpg?oh=461b53308aa0d1f70986a36bfa7aa735&oe=55B87C16&__gda__=1433763113_ac0bb98a903b8667ab5202368676b734)
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on March 24, 2015, 05:54:54 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=24&v=3366bcFQsl8

CAMPAIGNERS OF THE WORLD UNNNNNNNNNNITE.
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Post by: Olafson on March 24, 2015, 07:11:46 pm
You Americans have way to many reenactors... :(
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on March 24, 2015, 07:26:32 pm
We can thanks the catholics for that.
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Post by: Duuring on March 24, 2015, 08:11:50 pm
You're welcome.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on March 25, 2015, 08:20:48 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVb68UUKa9o 

Look like we're having chicken tonight.
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Post by: Olafson on March 25, 2015, 09:44:03 am
The only thing that I do not like about ACW reenacting in the states is that a lot of people don't seem to be able or willing to keep the pace.
Alot of times you see people just walking at their own pace.

I don't know why but it is really annoying in my opinion. I just can't stop looking at it...
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Post by: Wolff on March 25, 2015, 04:47:00 pm
yep, it's one of the hardest thing to watch for a german :P
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on March 25, 2015, 06:45:32 pm
You are not suppose to keep the pace, it's unauthentic. 


Formal parade or inspection, basically anything formal would make sense. But this was just an ordinary march....let see...oh yeah all the way from Atlanta,GA to Bentonville, North Carolina, which explains why men are out of step or carrying ridiclous items. They're basically on the move. Another factor you should note, this was western boys, Sherman's boys, the wild boys from the west, Sherman doesnt care for regulation as long you kill dem rebs.
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Post by: Duuring on March 25, 2015, 08:13:10 pm
Napoleonic troops would march out of step during normal from-A-to-B-marches as well. They wouldn't have bands or even drums playing.

Seriously, marching like a bunch of hobo's with guns would make perfect sense, for both napoleonic and ACW, as long as there's no music playing.
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Post by: Olafson on March 25, 2015, 08:45:23 pm
That is what I am on about. They have a band playing music. It looks like a parade... Not like a march.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on March 25, 2015, 08:52:03 pm
In America, band playing music doesnt always mean parade.  ;) 

We're sorry if we're too illogical for you Germans. That must be one of the reason why we left the old country in first place!
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Post by: Bluehawk on March 26, 2015, 02:31:21 am
British Rules and Regulations from 1798 actively discourage the use of music for keeping a marching cadence in any circumstance, because it causes confusion along the line. Sound is relative to the observer and marching near hills or buildings is asking for trouble - I remember marching in city parades as a boy scout and hearing two different bands ahead and behind play different pieces on different beats, surrounded by skyscrapers, it was cacophonous to say the least. The manual permits the band to play for raising morale or putting on a jolly old spectacle though.

http://books.google.ca/books?id=I3pSJLInt5MC&pg=PA78
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The use of MUSICK or DRUMS to regulate the march is absolutely forbid, as incompatible with the just and combined movements of any considerable body, and giving a false aid to the very smallest -- They never persevere in the ordered time or in any other, are constantly changing measure, create noise, derange the equality of step, and counteract the very end they are supposed to promote. The ordered and cadenced MARCH can be acquired and preserved from the eye and habit alone, and troops must by great practice be so steadied as to be able to maintain it, even though drums, musick, or other circumstances should be offering a different marked time. -- On occasions of parade and show, and when troops are halted, they are properly used and when circumstances do not forbid it, may be sometimes permitted as inspiriting in column of march, where unity of step is not so critically required. But in all movements of manoeuvre whatever, and as at any time directing the cadence of the step or in the instruction of the recruit, officer or battalion they must not be heard

Synchronization was meant to be by eye, not ear. Light is faster than sound after all, and less prone to distortion.

Interestingly, in later additions of the manual, this passage is preserved almost verbatim but is moved to the section about wheeling in file, which makes me wonder about how universally its wisdom was applied.
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Post by: Olafson on March 26, 2015, 08:46:58 am
Thats interisting. So you were not supposed to keep the stept when wheeling? Sounds wrong to me. But alright...

Anyway, doesn't change the fact that I can't stop looking at those guys who are walking out of pace. It is horrible. I want to look somewhere else, but I just can't... My eyes a tied to it.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on March 26, 2015, 05:04:51 pm
Interesting note,

Olaf, sssh it's okay, finish your marijuana, it's gonna be okay. Mr. t would you post one of your english follies marching in step for Olaf here?
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Post by: Mr T on March 26, 2015, 05:16:09 pm
'ere 'ave some o'that
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EA6zxj2e-U[/youtube]
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Post by: Olafson on March 26, 2015, 08:31:17 pm
Thank you my love.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on March 28, 2015, 06:52:27 am
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.tumblr.com%2F51780156792e7dce2e0da13c7357f355%2Ftumblr_inline_mmxfvce1TX1qz4rgp.gif&hash=d6a8ed32026b5f5a68b46d1015de80c0bc8143f7)
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Post by: joer5835 on March 28, 2015, 05:52:06 pm
So today my musket tool snapped in two when I was replacing my flint. FML.
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Post by: Duuring on March 28, 2015, 06:32:59 pm
Let me guess, Cooper's choice?
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Post by: joer5835 on March 28, 2015, 09:01:14 pm
Dunno, got it from my Corporal as a gift. One of those hook things. I better get a crucifix next time, I guess.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on March 29, 2015, 01:54:44 am
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=794474473976318

Damn.
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Post by: Colonel Howe on March 29, 2015, 05:22:18 am
Gud acting m8

Feature film deal

Time for "Gods and Generals 2: Skipping on the Sucky Plot"
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on March 29, 2015, 06:53:18 am
Skipping on sucky plot would works well for me any day


but this is perfect for LAST FULL MEASURE.     
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Post by: Newkirk on March 29, 2015, 07:27:26 am
Any idea if we're actually getting a last full measure movie?
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Post by: Colonel Howe on March 29, 2015, 04:21:18 pm
I've heard yes to it and like it's supposed to have Bruce Willis in it or something. I hope they stay true to Gettysburg though and make it long and entirely focused on the battle(s) (I haven't read LFM, but it's in the Wilderness Campaign right?)

But apparently HBO is making this and the cast list looks amazing!
http://m.imdb.com/title/tt2032276/
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Post by: Riddlez on March 29, 2015, 04:48:26 pm
I've heard yes to it and like it's supposed to have Bruce Willis in it or something. I hope they stay true to Gettysburg though and make it long and entirely focused on the battle(s) (I haven't read LFM, but it's in the Wilderness Campaign right?)

But apparently HBO is making this and the cast list looks amazing!
http://m.imdb.com/title/tt2032276/

They're recasting Band of Brothers?
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Post by: Colonel Howe on March 29, 2015, 04:49:35 pm
Looks like

Except in this case the brothers shit on each other and call eachother meanies
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on March 29, 2015, 07:44:51 pm
So basically a better version of North & South?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Colonel Howe on March 29, 2015, 07:46:51 pm
don't be hatin on Patrick Swagsy
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on March 29, 2015, 09:29:33 pm
On topic of movies,  last night I watched "Life and Death of Army of Northern Virginia" by Lionheart. Great stuff, quality reenactor and those battle scene were pretty cool. I recommend Lionheart for any historical movie, they use reenactors not hollywood actors. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WU3i3EcnR1o 

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Post by: Olafson on March 29, 2015, 09:32:57 pm
Then again, a lot of the HBO crap tends to be really well made. So yeah. If not historically accurate, it is going to be fun to watch. Which is fine with me!
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Post by: joer5835 on March 30, 2015, 01:45:02 pm
I quite like the John Adams miniseries by HBO.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Colonel Howe on March 30, 2015, 02:18:07 pm
I quite like the John Adams miniseries by HBO.
Yeah, Paul Giamati is amazing in it

but John Adams was a miserable cunt  >:(
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Post by: Nipplestockings on March 30, 2015, 06:35:01 pm
John Adams made me mad. Series felt sort of disappointing at the end but it was bretty gud overall.
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Post by: Colonel Howe on March 30, 2015, 08:02:53 pm
Thomas Jefferson=Stannis the Mannis
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Post by: Mr T on March 30, 2015, 09:21:06 pm
Less than two weeks until first event of the season! So impatient and the essays I have to do until then are a pain in the arse.

85e's recent sing-songing has made me even more anxious to get in the uniform!
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1047644048596492&pnref=story

Et merde pour le Roi d'Angleterre!
Quis nous a declare la guerre!
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: DeoVindice61 on March 31, 2015, 05:22:45 am
There's a show on netflix called "Turn" about spies in Rev war Long Island. It's pretty cool so far, if y'all love killing brit cunts.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Colonel Howe on March 31, 2015, 05:24:49 am
Ye it's awesome mang

Abraham bae

Returning April 13th I'm pretty sure
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Post by: joer5835 on April 03, 2015, 07:16:07 pm
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/t31.0-8/885637_771801372927837_2868586640498447672_o.jpg)

We sunk that baby with our flintlocks, alright.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on April 03, 2015, 08:27:31 pm
ayyyyyyyyyyy lmao
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Post by: Von Alten on April 14, 2015, 09:12:53 pm
ickworth house was a great event, no pics, but we did 80 man volleys :DD
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Post by: Duuring on April 16, 2015, 11:46:31 am
Spoiler
(https://scontent-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/10407157_10152939835245805_7336561457241096002_n.jpg?oh=97076d62d0c3b3f1691014f87113c026&oe=55A2A606)
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Kenny was at Ickworth House?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Captain America on April 16, 2015, 02:18:45 pm
Off to my first event in over a year tomorrow, ACW tactical as the 57th Massachusetts, never done a tactical before so pretty psyched, will post pics if anyone takes some

Also, saw a Soviet SSH 40 helmet in antiques shop before, 140 fucking quid, bet he got it from fucking voenspec for a tenner
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Barnesy on April 28, 2015, 11:44:25 am
ickworth house was a great event, no pics, but we did 80 man volleys :DD
You all looked mighty impressive!!!!! I was only there on the saturday and ended up being french for the saturday battle. bloody good battle that!

Anyone at Wollaton this weekend?
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Post by: Mr T on April 28, 2015, 12:01:41 pm
Yarp, it's gonna be wicked.
I just hope the trader stalls are going to be accessible to the French as well as the Brits since we're not allowed to move through each others camps
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Post by: munky-wunky on April 28, 2015, 09:36:31 pm
holy hell this place still exists
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Post by: joer5835 on April 28, 2015, 10:11:51 pm
we're not allowed to move through each others camps
Wut?


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Post by: Barnesy on April 28, 2015, 10:21:56 pm
we're not allowed to move through each others camps
Wut?
Yeah some bullshit rule. I guess during the day it makes sense, you wouldn't catch a frenchman casually walking through a British camp in reality!
Just don't wear your Habite and I reckon you will be fine... if not go find Steven Seymour and smack him! I can't see many of the British units really giving a flying shit tbh though
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Post by: TWking on April 28, 2015, 10:44:59 pm
Looking forward to Woolaton, going to be my first big event, and my 3rd in total (my other two being small ones at Whittington Castle). I'll be going as a Frenchie with the 85eme. Too bad we cant go into each others camps but I can understand it. However it should only be restricted to people with "outstanding" features, like a habite or a shako or something with their countries emblem on.
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Post by: Mr T on April 29, 2015, 12:00:55 am
Looking forward to Woolaton, going to be my first big event, and my 3rd in total (my other two being small ones at Whittington Castle). I'll be going as a Frenchie with the 85eme. Too bad we cant go into each others camps but I can understand it. However it should only be restricted to people with "outstanding" features, like a habite or a shako or something with their countries emblem on.

I'll meet you in the French camp then! The French army is having a partay on Saturday night, drinking, feasting and singing :D
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Post by: Olafson on April 29, 2015, 12:21:30 am
Looking forward to Woolaton, going to be my first big event, and my 3rd in total (my other two being small ones at Whittington Castle). I'll be going as a Frenchie with the 85eme. Too bad we cant go into each others camps but I can understand it. However it should only be restricted to people with "outstanding" features, like a habite or a shako or something with their countries emblem on.

Awesome, so you will be in my and Vince group...
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Post by: Mr. Kochi on April 29, 2015, 03:23:12 am
Looking forward to seeing you plebs at Waterloo. I'll also be in the froggy camp.

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Post by: Barnesy on April 29, 2015, 10:09:55 am
Looks like I'll see you all on the battlefield then lol!
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Post by: Mr T on May 05, 2015, 12:15:15 am
Awesome event at Wollaton Hall this weekend, good to have you Dutch over, t'were a good evening of singing at the local pub Saturday evening!
Enjoyed Sunday the most, awesome parade in front of the house with a speech from the Emperor followed by la Chant du Depart, then a good but lengthy battle afterwards.
Always good to have more French in the UK :D
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Post by: Barnesy on May 05, 2015, 09:03:18 pm
I agree Mr T it was a great event! Didn't get to meet you in the evenings but was nice to meet Vince and Olafson at last!
The only problem with the saturday battle was the 2/95th were so eager they started it way too early and when it came to the actual battle you french were very low on rounds! We were on your right and sat halfway up the hill waiting to be pushed back but you had nothing to return fire with!
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Post by: Mr T on May 06, 2015, 01:18:47 am
Yeah the 45e were on our right flank Saturday, they were firing most of the battle so I expect they did fire off all their ammunition!
21eme and 85e were in the centre and the left, came into close combat with one group of 95th and we took em down, then later some redcoats tried their luck and we beaat them, although I did get dragged down whilst I was pretending to headbutt, punch and then strangle some nearby redcoats! Then I accidently fell near some horse shit and my backpack & greatcoat landed in it when I got dragged down dead by a redcoat. Was quite funny though because Davout was marching behind me when we were in column of route and got the full whiff :D

I saw Ed Parker's lot wouldn't go down despite being surrounded by 3 units, they just formed square and sat there I think lol.
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Post by: Duuring on May 06, 2015, 01:41:16 am
Horse shit is the cleanest type of shit, Mr T  :P
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Post by: Mr T on May 06, 2015, 08:56:59 am
Yeah thankfully it all washed off rather well, I was supposed to be lying there dead but instead I was sat there washing it all off lol
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Post by: Olafson on May 06, 2015, 11:12:23 am
The 2nd battle was to short. Even though I took part in skirmishing and Line infantry action, my cartrdige box was full of cartrdiges when the battle was over...
The first battle was to long though :P Had no cartrdiges left.
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Post by: Barnesy on May 06, 2015, 11:22:48 am
The 2nd battle was to short. Even though I took part in skirmishing and Line infantry action, my cartrdige box was full of cartrdiges when the battle was over...
The first battle was to long though :P Had no cartrdiges left.
Agreed here! First battle I went out with 30 and came back with 1
Second battle went out with 40 and came back with 20.
Who of you lot are travelling over to horseguards next month?
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Post by: Olafson on May 06, 2015, 11:56:12 am
Isn't that at the same Weekend as Ligny?
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Post by: Mr T on May 06, 2015, 12:10:59 pm
I think we're not going because it's so close to Waterloo
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Post by: Barnesy on May 06, 2015, 01:05:55 pm
It's the 9th/10th/11th June. I know at least one of the Dutch 85eme are planning on going (Sean), that's probably so our bugler can blow something other than his bugle ;)
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Post by: Mr T on May 06, 2015, 01:46:06 pm
"Know what I mean? Know what I mean? Wink wink, nudge nudge!"
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Post by: Duuring on May 06, 2015, 02:03:27 pm
WINK WINK NUDGE NUDGE
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Post by: Olafson on May 06, 2015, 10:03:42 pm
God...

Yeah, but Vince, Admiral and I are going to Ligny.
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Post by: Ted on May 07, 2015, 07:25:49 am
Well, the 9eme is going to Ligny for the battle/camp, then we are going to march to Waterloo from there.  A really large campaign.  8) (Well not me, I can't participate this year   :'( )
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Post by: Wolff on May 07, 2015, 09:04:17 am
yep, the small march from ligny to waterloo might be some fun. We KGL-guys will probably march together with some prussians
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Post by: joer5835 on May 09, 2015, 01:53:43 pm
I'll pass on Ligny, my campaign gear is FAR from complete.
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Post by: Nipplestockings on June 10, 2015, 02:45:41 am
http://www.npr.org/sections/npr-history-dept/2015/06/09/412209979/the-battles-of-a-civil-war-re-enactress

How long til reenacting starts to get some hardcore politically correct action?
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Post by: Colonel Howe on June 10, 2015, 02:48:11 am
If she was truly interested in history and wanted to respect that, why would she want to spit in the face of historical fact?

Soz ma'am, but womens weren't soldiers. Go join a European unit of you want to fight
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Post by: zac on June 10, 2015, 03:04:34 pm
~Rant
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Post by: Forest on June 11, 2015, 01:01:14 am
The People that give true reenactors a bad name..I have many very good yanky reenactor friends, but I thank God that stuff like that hasnt spread to such an extent over here and elsewhere, its in its death wows here and good riddance

After doing this for 8+ years, and growing up in the hobby, I think this summs it up;

"it's ultimately playing pretend. If you are being a jerk so much that you don't want to let a woman pretend to be a man pretending to fight in a battle, you have the maturity of a toddler."


And yes, as Duuring Knows Im stubborn, so no point arguing ^_^

Oh and Duuring, when you gonna join us here in Australia??? ;)

What are you talking about? We have just as much rights to authenticity as you. Don't forget that North America was settled in 1607 by Europeans. Don't pretend we know nothing of modern period warfare, because it has literally everything to do with every war fought on American soil. You don't know enough reenactors here to make that statement.
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Post by: Captain America on June 11, 2015, 06:00:50 am
As long as she can pass as a man in uniform, let her reenact I say. Met some brilliant women reenactors that are often better and more passionate than the men
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Post by: zac on June 11, 2015, 04:31:25 pm


As long as she can pass as a man in uniform, let her reenact I say. Met some brilliant women reenactors that are often better and more passionate than the men

Exactly!

Ohh and my Dear Mr T, How be the weather in dear blighty? , Kinda confused here atm..cold one minute warm the next..
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Post by: Millander on June 11, 2015, 09:00:48 pm
Every club ive met in California, including progressives, have happily let woman into their units as Rifleman, Gunners, Troopers etc. In every case of when ive reenacted out of state a majority of the units I have seen openly allow woman into their ranks. It varies by club how much they have to conceal their identity but most embrace it as a way to talk about a lesser known story in the period. You obviously dont have enough "yankee friends" to have a true understanding of what reenacting is like here.
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Post by: Mr T on June 11, 2015, 09:39:39 pm
It's been very nice up here Zac, bright sun, clear blue skies and warm temperatures, enjoying it while it lasts!
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Post by: zac on June 12, 2015, 12:48:01 am



Brave Mr T! Waterloo hurra
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Post by: Vorposten on June 15, 2015, 06:42:48 am
For those who have to stay back (like me):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8rLXgRN-Nc

Besides I wish everyone who will participate in Waterloo good luck and have fun.
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Post by: joer5835 on June 16, 2015, 04:54:02 pm
So.....anybody still here or are ya'll getting pissed in Waterloo?
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Post by: Duuring on June 16, 2015, 04:54:38 pm
shush.
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Post by: joer5835 on June 16, 2015, 04:56:04 pm
Don't tell me what to do you dirty, commie bastard!
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Post by: Duuring on June 16, 2015, 05:02:00 pm
THAT DOES IT

*takes glove and slaps Joers face*

CHOOSE YOUR WEAPONS, SIRRAH
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Post by: joer5835 on June 16, 2015, 05:03:56 pm
PISTOLS IT WILL BE, SIRHHH.

Pick your second and prepare for death and dishonour, m'lord! Tomorrow at dawn, we will meet!
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Post by: Duuring on June 16, 2015, 05:13:00 pm
Ah shit, I got an exam tomorrow morning. Gotta pick another time mate.
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Post by: joer5835 on June 16, 2015, 05:16:20 pm
Damn you, sir! Tell me a date on which you do not have any "exams".
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Post by: Vorposten on June 16, 2015, 05:27:40 pm
Wow. A duel.   :o What? Not tommorrow?....  ???

Hmmm, maybe later this year?  ::)
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Post by: Mr T on June 16, 2015, 05:37:29 pm
Heading off Thursday early morning
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Post by: Forest on June 16, 2015, 08:09:24 pm
I will be fighting in the blistering heat of Monmouth this weekend. Best of luck to all of you at Waterloo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dP0LwVCZJwo
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Post by: Colonel Howe on June 23, 2015, 03:06:06 am
Nipplestockings brought this up to me in a conversation and I'd be very interesting to know the answer

Is anyone aware if Soviet partisan reenactment groups exist? That sounds awesome and I would totally join a group if they indeed existed
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on June 23, 2015, 04:41:12 am
1st Anti Fascist battalion or company I think.  Not sure what's the last bit but yeah they do partisan stuff, recent one was Leningrad, I think they went as police-volunteer or something like that. Atlantic coast based. 

Munk is or was part of them, contact him if u want more info or the right direction.
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Post by: kpetschulat on June 23, 2015, 11:10:08 am
There's actually a handful of partisan units in the NE US. One of the largest are the "Factory Worker Brigade;" They just went to Newville, PA "Ostfront" event last year in attendance with 24. The unit I am now in captured them and warcrimed them, haha. Executions for all partisan schwein.
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Post by: Captain America on June 23, 2015, 05:02:17 pm
Yeah there's quite a few to my knowledge, though they all seem to be American units :'( If I ever get rich I'm 100% setting up a Soviet or Yugoslav partisan unit over here
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Post by: Colonel Howe on June 23, 2015, 05:55:41 pm
I assume none of these dirty Slavs have websites because I'm not finding em :(((
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Post by: Duuring on June 23, 2015, 06:36:27 pm
Yeah there's quite a few to my knowledge, though they all seem to be American units :'( If I ever get rich I'm 100% setting up a Soviet or Yugoslav partisan unit over here

You don't have to be rich to set up a soviet unit.
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Post by: Nipplestockings on June 23, 2015, 06:57:58 pm
How exactly does modern (ww2 more specifically) reenactment work in places like Europe where firearms are so heavily restricted? Seems like it would be a hassle.
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Post by: Duuring on June 23, 2015, 08:38:41 pm
They're not heavily restricted. Compared to the USA, okay, yes, but the gun laws are strictest in my country and even there it's very much possible to get a license for a WW2 fire-arm. You definitaly have to put some work into it, though.
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Post by: Captain America on June 24, 2015, 01:36:48 pm
Yeah there's quite a few to my knowledge, though they all seem to be American units :'( If I ever get rich I'm 100% setting up a Soviet or Yugoslav partisan unit over here

You don't have to be rich to set up a soviet unit.

True true, but I'd rather like to have my kit actually complete first, gonna take some more dollar than I have now alas
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Post by: zac on June 27, 2015, 02:30:04 am
Been asked to do a CW impression for an event next year, so anyone have any suggestions of an impression with which i could still use my flintlock musket?

Thanks :)
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Post by: kpetschulat on June 27, 2015, 11:09:46 pm
Irish Brigade, Federal. Still had smoothbore old-style muskets.
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Post by: Captain America on June 28, 2015, 05:46:35 pm
Any early war impressions really should be ok
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Post by: Duuring on June 29, 2015, 12:10:50 am
Irish Brigade, Federal. Still had smoothbore old-style muskets.

There's a difference between smoothbores and flinklocks
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Post by: Forest on June 29, 2015, 02:54:19 am
Flintlock simply has to do with the lock of the weapon and the means by which it was fired. I think he was simply just comparing the standard civil war caplock rifled muskets to the older flintlocks.
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Post by: zac on June 29, 2015, 07:41:39 am
Thanks for that :) ,
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on June 29, 2015, 05:46:37 pm
Flintlocks? Definitely Confederate early war volunteer.
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Post by: zac on June 29, 2015, 10:17:34 pm
my brown bess haha
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Post by: joer5835 on June 29, 2015, 11:05:58 pm
I think a Charleville would fit better than a Bess.
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Post by: Forest on June 30, 2015, 01:51:58 pm
Flintlocks? Definitely Confederate early war volunteer.

Deo are you going to Rebels and Redcoats in Mass in August?
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Post by: joer5835 on July 02, 2015, 01:19:20 pm
Any of you fine lads going to Wavre the coming weekend?
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Post by: Olafson on July 02, 2015, 09:08:15 pm
Ofc.
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Post by: DeoVindice61 on July 07, 2015, 06:53:31 pm
Flintlocks? Definitely Confederate early war volunteer.

Deo are you going to Rebels and Redcoats in Mass in August?


Oooo I'd love to, I'm in Illinois, so it's bit hard. I'm getting into rev war soon as 4th CT, the unit occassionally travels to east coast for several events. I'll let ye know.
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Post by: Ted on July 08, 2015, 06:32:49 pm
Anyone going to Leipzig and/or Austerlitz this year? I'll be at Leipzig for sure, but I'm not sure if I got enough time to visit Austerlitz also.
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Post by: Vorposten on July 08, 2015, 07:23:22 pm
I will be at Leipzig.
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Post by: joer5835 on July 09, 2015, 11:26:14 pm
Way too far away for me, going to neither of those. Besides, what on earth would we I doing there as a Dutch soldier.
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Post by: Duuring on July 09, 2015, 11:33:17 pm
Fighting for the French or for the Russians.
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Post by: joer5835 on July 09, 2015, 11:48:36 pm
The French actually sound plausible.

It's funny, I do believe I'm the only one in my unit who has sympathies for the French side.
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Post by: Duuring on July 13, 2015, 12:33:56 pm
Well, if your 'character' was a Marine that transferred to the infantry in 1810, fighting for the Russians would be more accurate.  :P

SLAVA ROSSIYA!
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Post by: Bluehawk on July 18, 2015, 01:02:42 am
Rossii*
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Post by: Duuring on July 18, 2015, 01:12:52 am
Rossii*

Did you just return to FSE for a moment to be Grammar-NKVD?  :P
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Post by: Bluehawk on July 18, 2015, 01:17:03 am
I didn't choose the Chekist life, the Chekist life chose me.

(https://i.imgur.com/sJwZcpp.jpg)
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Post by: OttoFIN on August 03, 2015, 12:34:24 am
Guys,  I got all my Finnish WW2 equipment, now I just need a rifle. Can I join the cool kids now?
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Post by: Captain America on August 04, 2015, 01:11:29 pm
>Finnish WW2
>Cool

Ew.
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Post by: Malkolm R. Lind on August 05, 2015, 02:57:40 pm
>Finnish WW2
>Cool

Ew.
Sure cooler than having to bomb someone to win a war...
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Post by: OttoFIN on August 05, 2015, 11:44:10 pm
>Finnish WW2
>Cool

Ew.
Sure cooler than having to bomb someone to win a war...
Seriously: OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH! Good one, friend! * High-5 across the galaxy *
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Post by: Forest on August 06, 2015, 02:49:35 am
Do a lot of people watch modern warfare reenactments like ww2 and such? I imagine its like watching people play airsoft. ???
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Post by: Bluehawk on August 09, 2015, 11:11:45 am
As opposed to a Napoleonic reenactment, which is like watching people play Red Rover.
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Post by: Captain America on August 10, 2015, 04:46:55 am
>Finnish WW2
>Cool

Ew.
Sure cooler than having to bomb someone to win a war...
Seriously: OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH! Good one, friend! * High-5 across the galaxy *

Come on lads I'm not even a yank be nation specific with your insults
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Post by: Malkolm R. Lind on August 10, 2015, 10:24:41 am
>Finnish WW2
>Cool

Ew.
Sure cooler than having to bomb someone to win a war...
Seriously: OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH! Good one, friend! * High-5 across the galaxy *

Come on lads I'm not even a yank be nation specific with your insults
Oh? Just judging by how you compared Finland with other nations during the war...  :)
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Post by: Nipplestockings on August 10, 2015, 01:32:28 pm
Americans love the winter war because then the patriots can oppose the Russians without directly supporting the Nazis, even though they still kind of are anyway.
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Post by: Duuring on August 10, 2015, 03:12:36 pm
*oppose the Soviets
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Post by: zac on August 10, 2015, 03:35:54 pm
straya..
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Post by: Malkolm R. Lind on August 10, 2015, 09:59:26 pm
Americans love the winter war because then the patriots can oppose the Russians without directly supporting the Nazis, even though they still kind of are anyway.
Well I like opposing russians... and soviets in that matter.  :P
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Post by: Captain America on August 11, 2015, 04:00:50 pm
Soviets > Finnish
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Post by: Malkolm R. Lind on August 15, 2015, 07:38:07 pm
Soviets > Finnish
U want sum?
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Post by: Captain America on August 17, 2015, 02:17:57 pm
Question for civil war bros, where are you supposed to get a pipe without a bloody plastic filter on it? Need a smoke, cigarettes are farby and can't afford cigars
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Post by: Colonel Howe on August 17, 2015, 11:47:06 pm
Question for civil war bros, where are you supposed to get a pipe without a bloody plastic filter on it? Need a smoke, cigarettes are farby and can't afford cigars
smoke with the plastic filter in it

which do you love more? Reenacting or your life?
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Post by: Wolff on August 17, 2015, 11:53:04 pm
reenacting. fuck life. live like 200 years ago and die with 40. that's the spirit
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Post by: Olafson on August 18, 2015, 01:55:32 pm
+1!
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Post by: Captain America on August 18, 2015, 04:06:54 pm
#nofilter a few times a year is hardly gonna kill me quicker than smoking already is, not being farby > life
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Post by: Olafson on August 18, 2015, 05:49:40 pm
Yes. Especially if it is pipe.
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Post by: Duuring on August 30, 2015, 12:41:47 pm
I was just called a clever shite by the 21e. Honoured, I am! Honoured!
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Post by: Mr.Mixtape on September 06, 2015, 01:02:54 am
its been 2 months since last reenactment and i need to wait till the beginning of october  :( but i need to find all my stuff cause i have no idea where it at
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Post by: Malkolm R. Lind on September 10, 2015, 08:12:23 am
Sometimes when I hear people say the word "reload", I always slap my back pocket, thinking that my cartridge box would be there... Then I realize that it's not a reenactment... :'(
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Post by: Vorposten on September 10, 2015, 08:51:51 am
its been 2 months since last reenactment

For me It is almost a year since the last one :D But I'm happy to be at Göhrde next week.
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Post by: Bravescot on September 11, 2015, 09:47:11 am
Sometimes when I hear people say the word "reload", I always slap my back pocket, thinking that my cartridge box would be there... Then I realize that it's not a reenactment... :'(
High I'm Johan and I'm a recovering reenactor
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Post by: Malkolm R. Lind on September 24, 2015, 10:46:21 am
I finally found a swedish reenacting group concentrating on the great northern war! And they're from my town!!! ;_;  :D
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Post by: Wolff on September 24, 2015, 12:06:49 pm
That sounds great! Do they have a website?

Last weekend I had some fun at the Göhrde event. A rather small event (like 200 - 250 men on the field) and some bad weather. We even had to cancel the village fight on saturday wich is one of the Göhrde highlights. But it was fun anyway. Two nice battles and a lot of good guys I haven't seen for a while
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Post by: OttoFIN on September 24, 2015, 01:36:20 pm
fock yuo no reenactment in finland :'( :'(
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Post by: Wolff on September 24, 2015, 02:42:24 pm
there is. Atleast ww2
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Post by: OttoFIN on September 24, 2015, 02:52:10 pm
there is. Atleast ww2
Where?
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Post by: Wolff on September 24, 2015, 06:04:37 pm
I have seen plenty of great pics in a facebook group. Took me like 20 seconds to find this unit via google http://www.etulinja.net

Here r some sovjets
 https://www.facebook.com/Military-History-Group-Karelia-1692057161018352/timeline/

And some medival goys http://www.harmaasudet.fi/

I am sure you can find serveral other groups (maybe even of other time periods) if you contact one of the units and ask kindly
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Post by: joer5835 on September 24, 2015, 08:08:57 pm
Last weekend I accepted an invittaion from the 85e and did a little event with them at a Napoleonic visitor centre.

I am now scarred for life. Must....repress...these feelings....I am Dutch....I will not...shout...vive l'empereur....must not...give in.
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Post by: Duuring on September 24, 2015, 08:43:21 pm
Pffff Dutch soldiers even shouted Vive L'empereur when they were fired from imprisonment in Russia when peace was signed.
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Post by: Olafson on September 24, 2015, 10:43:44 pm
Last weekend I accepted an invittaion from the 85e and did a little event with them at a Napoleonic visitor centre.

I am now scarred for life. Must....repress...these feelings....I am Dutch....I will not...shout...vive l'empereur....must not...give in.

:)
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Post by: Colonel Howe on November 29, 2015, 08:55:37 pm
After a year of waiting for a reply, the 3rd Rifle Division (soviet reenactors) finally got back to me with my questions. Shame I don't really have as much disposable income as I did when I wrote them. Ah, time to save up again I suppose and be commie penetrated.
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Post by: joer5835 on November 29, 2015, 09:40:01 pm
A fucking year to respond? What!?
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Post by: Colonel Howe on November 29, 2015, 09:43:39 pm
About a year. I was 17 when I first sent the message so perhaps around 8 months

Still though. Fucking commies
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Post by: zac on December 05, 2015, 04:13:07 am
-blurp
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Post by: Mr T on December 07, 2015, 09:54:44 pm
Austerlitz looked good.
Also in other news, 21eme has it's event list for 2016, we're going to the 210th anniversary of Jena in October and hopefully we'll get to visit the village of Hassenhausen where the real 21eme took and defended during the battle of Auerstadt!

UK events include Ickworth, Cannon Hall, BotN, Chalke Valley, Spetchley and hopefully Fort Amherst in September. Going to be a great campaign season :D
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Post by: Olafson on December 07, 2015, 10:51:20 pm
Jena! Just like Austerlitz, we will be there. I hope you guys purchase Bicorns though.
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Post by: zac on December 07, 2015, 11:04:30 pm
The Farbs tell the pro's what to do huehuehue, vive la 21e (Australian 21e best Colonial 21e Fr)

Heading to the US in September for Yorktown 235th, anyone gonna be there?
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Post by: Mr.Mixtape on December 07, 2015, 11:10:40 pm
The Farbs tell the pro's what to do huehuehue, vive la 21e (Australian 21e best Colonial 21e Fr)

Heading to the US in September for Yorktown 235th, anyone gonna be there?
I wish I could its gonna be awesome.
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Post by: Mr T on December 07, 2015, 11:37:23 pm
I'm hoping we get Bicorns too, I'm going to try get the bicorn this season at least. Habit longue will take me a while, I'm but a poor student.
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Post by: Olafson on December 07, 2015, 11:39:46 pm
Well, the hatwear is the most obvious. Habit longue is expensive and takes long to make + it look similar to the bardin habit. From far you wont really see a difference. But you clearly will see a difference between Bicorn and shako.


The Farbs tell the pro's what to do huehuehue, vive la 21e (Australian 21e best Colonial 21e Fr)

Heading to the US in September for Yorktown 235th, anyone gonna be there?
I am thinking about it. It sounds nice. But I know no one there.
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Post by: Mr T on December 08, 2015, 12:18:04 am
Any recommendations for somewhere I can get a bicorn from?
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Post by: zac on December 08, 2015, 07:11:32 am
Buy a hat blank and make your own!! :D
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Post by: joer5835 on December 08, 2015, 04:18:29 pm
Any recommendations for somewhere I can get a bicorn from?

Horst from Historische Marketenderei. He might be German but he does speak English quite well, so no worries. Got my own bicorne from him and I am quite satisfied. He also works incredibly fast, I had my own bicorne sent to me less than two weeks after ordering it.
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Post by: Olafson on December 08, 2015, 05:39:28 pm
Yeah, I ordered one there too. It is of decent quality. It is not the very best, but I also do not know where to get proper ones, or proper blanks.

http://www.historische-marketenderei.com/shop/item/franz%C3%B6sischer-zweispitz.html
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Post by: joer5835 on December 08, 2015, 06:00:35 pm
I know there are companies in France that can make really good bicornes, anything you want. But they are about as expensive as a full habite.
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Post by: Mr T on December 08, 2015, 06:09:04 pm
Cheers guys I'll mark that down, I'll probably order it early next year when my next student loan comes through :D
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Post by: Vorposten on December 08, 2015, 07:36:19 pm
The French haven't to do much to look like 1806.
I would need a complete new uniform for Jena. But I haven't the money to make 2 new uniforms (tunic and pants) next year :D

Anyway, maybe I will visit in civil. Heard and read that only 1806-units will be allowed (Also can't plan that far xD)
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Post by: joer5835 on December 08, 2015, 07:52:42 pm
That's no problem for me, I've got a Dutch 1795-1805 uniform and an 1810 uniform. Especially my 1795 uniform can easily pass for French, not to mention there probably were Dutch troops attached to Napoleon's army in 1806. But I really doubt I'll be at Jena since my unit doesn't plan on going there and I so I got no one to go with.
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Post by: Olafson on December 08, 2015, 08:46:39 pm

The French haven't to do much to look like 1806.
I would need a complete new uniform for Jena. But I haven't the money to make 2 new uniforms (tunic and pants) next year :D

Anyway, maybe I will visit in civil. Heard and read that only 1806-units will be allowed (Also can't plan that far xD)

Join us! We can lend you clothes.


That's no problem for me, I've got a Dutch 1795-1805 uniform and an 1810 uniform. Especially my 1795 uniform can easily pass for French, not to mention there probably were Dutch troops attached to Napoleon's army in 1806. But I really doubt I'll be at Jena since my unit doesn't plan on going there and I so I got no one to go with.

Same here. Just join us. I guess you could even continue using your Dutch uniform.
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Post by: joer5835 on December 08, 2015, 08:53:32 pm
We'll see about that, still like a year away.
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Post by: Vorposten on December 09, 2015, 02:52:38 pm
What? I should join a french Line instead of participate with anhaltische Jäger?  ::)

Still I am not sure If i will visit it in uniform. A week later is Leipzig again.
This year's Leipzig was one of the best battles I had.  ;D (Disclaimer: I only mean the Battle at Markleeberg, the one in Liebertwolkwitz doesn't count  :-X)
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Post by: Olafson on December 09, 2015, 04:35:00 pm
Muh, who goes to Liebert- anyway.
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Post by: Duuring on December 15, 2015, 04:52:46 pm
I'm currently considering a new impression; Polish Home Army during the Warsaw Uprising. Not sure whether I'll do it, just doing the research atm.
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Post by: zac on December 16, 2015, 03:31:43 am
I want to do that!! Keep me in the loop!! Seriously!!!
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Post by: Duuring on December 16, 2015, 11:56:00 am
I could use your help (or that of anyone knowing German uniforms), I have some trouble identifying the several models of German camo used in the city by the Home Army.

I also need stuff on Polish pre-war uniforms. If anyone has anything, gib.
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Post by: joer5835 on December 16, 2015, 12:17:12 pm
Kurwa!
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Post by: Wolff on December 16, 2015, 06:32:19 pm
will do SS-Sondereinheit Dirlewanger
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Post by: Black Watch 1745 on December 16, 2015, 07:08:10 pm
I could use your help (or that of anyone knowing German uniforms), I have some trouble identifying the several models of German camo used in the city by the Home Army.

I also need stuff on Polish pre-war uniforms. If anyone has anything, gib.

 Warlord Games did a good article on Polish uniforms in the 30's: http://www.warlordgames.com/wwii-polish-uniform-guide/
  Not too sure on the Germans but Artizan Designs has a few guides on German camouflage: http://www.artizandesigns.com/painting-guides.php I know they are for wargaming but they are quite good guides. I do not know about specific camouflage schemes that would have been used by German troops in Warsaw (and possibly reused by the Poles), it would probably be best to try and find an order of battle and see which units had what.
 
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Post by: Duuring on December 17, 2015, 10:30:32 am
The Germans had camostores in Warsaw which the Poles captured and then used for themselves. Most of them wear SS-dot camos, though you see the use of splinter camo once in a while. A few Poles can be seen wearing regular uniform jackes, with small Polish flags sewn on the collar, over the german insignia.
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Post by: Duuring on December 20, 2015, 02:52:37 pm
Any help identifying these camos would be great.

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Post by: Mr T on December 21, 2015, 05:21:21 pm
Anyone know where I can get a pair of 1812 infantry parade pantalons? 
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Post by: Duuring on December 21, 2015, 05:35:03 pm
I thought parade pantaloons were abolished in 1812?
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Post by: Mr T on December 21, 2015, 06:54:58 pm
Don't think so, can't see why they would've done either. Plus I asked around before and no one said that they were abolished.
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Post by: OttoFIN on December 21, 2015, 07:01:49 pm
Day 656, not a single sight of an active reenactment group near Southwest Finland yet.
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Post by: Wolff on December 21, 2015, 09:36:15 pm
you asked other finnish groups if the know anybody in the area?
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Post by: Ted on December 28, 2015, 05:11:07 pm
Oh Nein Wolff just added me in facebook I'm scared of being stalked now  :(
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Post by: joer5835 on December 28, 2015, 05:44:52 pm
Be like me, the recluse that adds nobody on facebook and so nobody adds me. Problem solved, privacy saved!
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Post by: Vincenzo on December 28, 2015, 06:54:22 pm
I have you Joer  :P
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Post by: Vorposten on December 28, 2015, 07:29:25 pm
Oh Nein Wolff just added me in facebook I'm scared of being stalked now  :(

I haven't you. And I think only Vince, Olaf, Mortem, Duuring, Wolff, zac are the only FSE-guys I have. (Sry If I missed someone).
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Post by: joer5835 on December 28, 2015, 08:17:21 pm
I have you Joer  :P

I have you, Duuring and Olaf and I think that's it actually...
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Post by: Forest on December 29, 2015, 01:05:23 am
Trenton 2015- 10/15 mile march

(https://i.imgur.com/mYr8LyJ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/nnrCrBk.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/GwBiFK0.jpg)
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Post by: Mr.Mixtape on December 29, 2015, 01:37:41 am
Trenton 2015- 10/15 mile march

(https://i.imgur.com/mYr8LyJ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/nnrCrBk.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/GwBiFK0.jpg)
Awesome do you attend many events east. Also do you normally form with a unit in the BAR if so which one?
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Post by: OttoFIN on December 29, 2015, 09:00:57 am
^^ Best looking unit
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Post by: Ted on December 29, 2015, 10:18:37 am
I have Olaf, Vince, Jackson (9eme), Wolff and one guy I can not relate to his FSE account but I know he is on FSE  ;D
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Post by: Malkolm R. Lind on December 29, 2015, 10:34:02 am
Day 656, not a single sight of an active reenactment group near Southwest Finland yet.
You're not just searching enough. :P
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Post by: Forest on December 29, 2015, 07:22:47 pm
Trenton 2015- 10/15 mile march


Awesome do you attend many events east. Also do you normally form with a unit in the BAR if so which one?

My group is part of the Continental Line organization. We attend 10 or more events per year anywhere from Vermont to Virginia.
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Post by: Mr.Mixtape on December 29, 2015, 08:30:31 pm
Trenton 2015- 10/15 mile march


Awesome do you attend many events east. Also do you normally form with a unit in the BAR if so which one?

My group is part of the Continental Line organization. We attend 10 or more events per year anywhere from Vermont to Virginia.
Cool i'm in the NWTA. Also were you going to attend Monmouth this year?
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Post by: Forest on January 04, 2016, 06:57:52 am
Yes
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Post by: Mr T on April 03, 2016, 08:19:46 pm
Got first event of the season next weekend at Ickworth House and I can't wait! I reckon I need to get new pantalons at least, lost quite a bit of weight since last event in September.

Event should be good, a skirmish battle on the Saturday and regular battle on the Sunday, looking forward to the skirmish battle, hoping for a bit of skirmishing in the woods!
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Post by: Cara on April 03, 2016, 09:06:22 pm
I'm glad for you mate ! Hope you will enjoy it. I've been a voltigeur now for a year and it's just great to have this liberty in the woods, mountains, swamps ( :'( )...

My first event was in march but I can't wait for Saint-Amans Soult in may ! Living history event, so a 3-days-march in the mountains with ambush, no modern stuff !
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Post by: Mr T on April 03, 2016, 09:10:52 pm
Awesome! I'd of liked to have gone to Whittington Castle, looked like a good event other than the weather.
I'm looking forward to an event at Cannon Hall in Barnsley at the end of the month, usually a good piss up event. Plus it's going to be more units that previous years with more Brits but also 45e as well! It's hosted by the 33rd who we're really close with too :D
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Post by: Cara on April 03, 2016, 09:31:16 pm
Yep I know that event, I heard it is cool. Just can't go in England for now  :P
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Post by: Mr T on April 05, 2016, 01:06:27 am
Just to clarify, has anyone saluted to officers without arms before and can clarify how it's done? These are quotes from the Manuel d' Infanterie:

"If the general-officers or superior-officers of the regiment pass within the vicinity of the sergeants, corporals and soldiers, when they are seated or halted, those in the former case, rise and take up the position of shoulder arms (port d'arms), the bas-officiers, remove their hats[or shako I guess], the soldiers carry the hand to the hat; those in the latter case turn towards the side of which the person to be saluted is on."

"If the subordinates are on the march and they are passing their halted chjef', the bas-officiers salute, removing their hats, the corporals and soldiers carry the hand to the plate [of the shako I assume]"

"If a general-officer, superior-officer, or other calls a bas-officier (sous-officier) or soldier (to him), the latter advances to within two or three paces of his chief, brings his hat down, if he is a bas-officier; carry the hand (to the hat) if he is a soldier, and remain in this position until the officer ceases talking."

"the soldier carries the hand (to the shako), the "finger-nails" upwards, the palm to the front"

I'm mainly interested in the soldier's salute rather than NCOs. There are some terms that are a little unspecific, like "carry the hand to the hat". Any clarity would be appreciated, from what I gather you'd bring your fingertips to the plate of the shako with the palm facing forwards.
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Post by: Olafson on April 05, 2016, 01:27:06 am
Pretty much this, I think:

(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.stack.imgur.com%2FbkJpe.jpg&hash=121b4beb5d770d8982198c1f5e6f0bf08223388a)

A good question. I actually would like to know this myself.

Do you know how to salute as a normal soldier while having a weapon in your hand?
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Post by: Mr T on April 05, 2016, 01:44:47 am
Well there's this from the manual:

"If the subordinates are on the march, under arms but not formed “in troops”, the bas-officiers carry the musket on the right arm as per the regulation; the soldiers go to shoulder arms (portez vos armes). They go to present arms, if called upon to do so by a general-officer, by the commander of the place, by a superior-officer of the regiment, or by the commander of the company."

Other than that, at a guess, if you're standing about at portez vos armes and an officer approaches I believe you presentez armes until they've walked past, usually what I do when on guard or something. But if you're holding a musket at reposez or rompe I'm not sure. I'd go to Garde vous I guess. Depends a lot on the situation.
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Post by: Olafson on April 05, 2016, 01:55:45 am
Okay that makes sense. Thank you.
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Post by: joer5835 on April 05, 2016, 07:29:37 pm
Join the navy, we have a clenched fist as a half arsed salute.
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Post by: Mr T on April 08, 2016, 01:27:37 am
Just polished my brasses, right down to the habite buttons for the weekend, can't wait :D
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Post by: Olafson on April 08, 2016, 03:49:40 am
Only noobs are clean. :P
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Post by: Malkolm R. Lind on April 08, 2016, 09:12:23 am
Anyone here know if the russo-german legion had colours during the napoleonic wars?
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Post by: Wolff on April 08, 2016, 11:08:01 am
the reenactment group does  ;)
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Post by: Olafson on April 08, 2016, 12:46:40 pm
Russo German Legion is the coolest unit that we cut from the game when transferring from MM to NW.

:( I miss them.
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Post by: Mr T on April 11, 2016, 01:57:24 pm
Still knackered after a brilliant weekend at Ickworth House for the first reenactment of the season. Saturday was wet and muddy but we still managed some great volleys.
Highlight of the event for me was on Sunday when we went on a sneaky march around the house and climbing down the wall to hide along it in order to attack the British flank, then getting to skirmish for a good bit before returning to the line. Quite happy I got to do a lot of skirmishing this event, me and Davout are skirmishing buddies.
I also surprisingly enjoyed being cannonfodder for Sunday's artillery demonstration. Mostly because I miraculously survived whilst almost everyone else in the column went down. I wasted no time in legging it away from the artillery with lots of laughs from the public :P
Fantastic weekend filled with laughs, banter and firing.
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Post by: Wolff on April 11, 2016, 02:41:12 pm
Russo German Legion is the coolest unit that we cut from the game when transferring from MM to NW.

:( I miss them.

they for sure didn't look like the historical russo german legion hussars but anyway badass. Just restarted the game to take a look at them
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(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.akamai.steamusercontent.com%2Fugc%2F279595726553725061%2F71FF8CB7FB29A640F48BBA6EE8BE06B95ED1DD3A%2F&hash=03574a5d479d93b6877e1f631ece9f0a6ebb081d)
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Post by: Olafson on April 11, 2016, 03:16:32 pm
Yeah. I think we confused dark green with black and stuff like that :P
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Post by: Wolff on April 11, 2016, 03:40:43 pm
damn. I was wrong. Most of the Legions cav wore green uniforms and a lot of them shakos but in the 8. prussian ulan regiment wich was made up of legion troops, two esquadrons wore that shit here:

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Post by: Olafson on April 11, 2016, 04:36:04 pm
I remember that we got the sources from that website... So it might have been that one. Haha
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Post by: Bluehawk on April 11, 2016, 08:07:44 pm
Anyone here know if the russo-german legion had colours during the napoleonic wars?

In Stephen Summerfield's Brazen Cross of Courage (Partizan Press, 2007) there is a chapter on the Russo-German Legion, and all it has to say on colours is:

Quote from: p. 101
Flag
Ernst Friedrich Graf von Munster proposed the Legion flag as being St. George killing the dragon with the inscription "Heran! Gekommen ist die Zeit: es fallt der bunte Drache, aus allen Landen weit und breit ertönt der Ruf der Rache." ("Come on! The time has come: the disordered/motley dragon falls, from all countries far and wide sounds the call for revenge.") Ernst Moritz Arndt (a contemporary patriotic writer) mentions that the St. George was encircled by oak leaves and gives the text as "Auf! Auf! Gekommen ist die Zeit!" ("Arise, arise! The time has come!")

Looking up Ernst Moritz Arndt however, I found a passage that actually combines both descriptions. This is from Zwei Worte über die Entstehung und Bestimmung der Teutschen Legion (Two words about the origin and destination of the German Legion), printed in 1813. https://books.google.ca/books?id=QmVlAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA27&lpg=PA27#v=onepage&q&f=false

Quote from: p. 27
In ihren mit Eichenlaub, dem Lorbeer deutscher Helden, umstickten Fahnen sieht man den heiligen Georg, der den höllischen Lindwurm ersticht, und man liest darin die Reime:
Auf! Auf! Gekommen ist die Zeit!
Es fällt der bunte Drache,
Aus allen Landen weit und breit
Erklingt Ertönt der Ruf der Rache.



Surrounded by oak leaves, the laurel of German heroes, could be seen sewn onto the flags Saint George stabbing the infernal dragon, and one could read the rhyme:
Up! Up! The time has come!
The motley dragon falls,
From all lands far and wide
Rings/chimes/sounds whatever the call of revenge.

Nothing really about the actual colours of the Colours, but the saint and slogan is the heart of the matter.
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Post by: Wolff on May 30, 2016, 04:03:12 pm
Next weekend Bourtange, anyone?
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Post by: Olafson on May 30, 2016, 05:01:03 pm
Yes. But only on Sunday. We will see ya on the battlefield.
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Post by: joer5835 on May 30, 2016, 08:40:31 pm
Aye, I'll be at Bourtange. They'll be a strong Batavian presence this year.
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Post by: Duuring on May 30, 2016, 09:51:00 pm
No Bourtange for me. Probably no Napoleonic for me ever again anyway.
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Post by: Cara on May 30, 2016, 09:57:35 pm
No Bourtange for me. Probably no Napoleonic for me ever again anyway.

Don't leave us ! You will stick with WW1 ?
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Post by: Wolff on May 30, 2016, 10:05:41 pm
just because everything got fucked up oin your napoleonic association
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Post by: Duuring on May 30, 2016, 10:50:14 pm
Things don't get fucked up there, it is fucked up. It's no longer about history, it's just about people using it to spite eachother. And I don't want to be a part of that - even if I still could because the 85e wouldn't accept me as a member.
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Post by: Olafson on May 30, 2016, 11:13:04 pm
At least no Napoleonic reencating in the NL I guess.
Kinda fucked up for Duuring there, its a long story.
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Post by: Vincenzo on May 30, 2016, 11:16:23 pm
Short story: Politics.
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Post by: Millander on May 31, 2016, 05:45:52 am
That sort of thing has disenfranchised me a little with the hobby. I've dealt with too many people who their entire life revolves around the hobby and often use positions of power within organizations to fill a perceived lack of power in their daily lives. The pettiness and drama that plagues almost every club is rotten for the hobby. I'm glad to hear that in some circles that culture is not represented.
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Post by: zac on May 31, 2016, 02:11:47 pm
Duuring, its time to move down under.. we have better politics then anywhere in the world, better health care, better foreigners, we love the dutch, and our reenactment scene is improving...
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Post by: Olafson on May 31, 2016, 06:22:28 pm
That is why I have not joined any club. And will never do.
We are doing our own thing. Not as a official club or anything like that. Just as a group of people/friends that like reenacting together.
No one has the command, everyone has the same say. We decide who is going to be our corporal/sergeant/general/whatever (though we only do corporals anyway...) from event to event. Whoever wants to do it and whoever is best at it/has the most skill will do it.

It works well. There is no reason to be part of a club.
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Post by: zac on June 01, 2016, 12:57:46 am
That's how we work in cosplay haha..and as you have discovered, it works
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Post by: Ted on July 17, 2016, 02:04:54 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJed5OiM_4M&feature=share


lol  ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: The Mighty McLovin on July 17, 2016, 02:11:30 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJed5OiM_4M&feature=share


lol  ;D ;D ;D

Why do those British Highlanders have beards? Only sappers were permitted to grow beards.
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Post by: Olafson on July 17, 2016, 04:32:01 pm
Complaining about that? The whole series has uniform inaccuracies everywhere.
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Post by: Cara on July 17, 2016, 09:35:05 pm
This series was made for general public TV with a low budget (90% of it was to pay Christian Clavier lel). Its only use is to show a bit of living history to children.
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Post by: Mr T on July 17, 2016, 10:28:19 pm
Yeah it's not particularly great.
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Post by: Ted on July 18, 2016, 04:47:36 pm
Complaining about that? The whole series has uniform inaccuracies everywhere.
This series was made for general public TV with a low budget (90% of it was to pay Christian Clavier lel). Its only use is to show a bit of living history to children.

I love how in one scene troops in a simple black coat are shown as French troops while they are the Russians in another while the Cuirassiers look as if their breastplates were made out of plastic at the same time. And let's be honest: All British uniforms look cheap and bad as fuck lol

However, it made little kids start thinking about history and about Napoleon in special, therefore it has done its job.
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Post by: Cara on August 03, 2016, 07:55:39 pm
Some of you are planning to go at Feuquières in late August ? I heard some UK/NL people are coming
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Post by: Mr T on August 04, 2016, 09:36:31 am
Not us sadly :(
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Post by: Olafson on August 04, 2016, 02:26:04 pm
Some of you are planning to go at Feuquières in late August ? I heard some UK/NL people are coming

We were going to, but our driver canceled, so we have no way to get there :P
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Post by: ZuLeweiner on August 26, 2016, 07:46:02 pm
Hi, I am thinking about joining some prussian reenacting regiment. Does anyone know about some? I live in the Czech Republic (I'm expecting to travel a lot as in Czechia there are very few prussians  :) ).
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Post by: Vorposten on August 26, 2016, 08:07:45 pm
I don't know any in Czechia Sadly. I know there are some groups in Poland. Then there is the 2nd Guard Infantry in Leipzig, Saxony, Germany and some mor units in Germany too. But in Czechia I don't know any. Maybe you should look for Austrian or french units, as they are more common in Czechia caused by napoleonic battles. (speaking for Napoleonic Era).

I don't know, whether there are any 1866 or 7-Year-War-Prussian units unfortanetly.
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Post by: ZuLeweiner on August 28, 2016, 12:04:03 pm
Thanks for answer, Vorposten.
In Czechia there are no prussian regiments, unfortunately, indeed. We have just Austrians, French and Russians regiments which are members of C.E.N.S.

I threw my post here, though, because via google I coudn't find any decent prussian regiment from napoleonic era.

That's 'cause I was searching in English, I guess. :-)
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Post by: Vorposten on October 17, 2016, 09:16:42 am
And? How was Jena? Saw some pictures and videos... 800 Men on the battlefield?

Also, I hope Leipzig won't suffer from this event in terms of attendence.
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Post by: Olafson on October 17, 2016, 11:08:51 am
Jena was great.
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Post by: Wolff on October 17, 2016, 01:23:18 pm
the event was great but the battle wasn't very good in my opinion. I am sure Leipzig will suffer a bit.
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Post by: Cara on October 17, 2016, 02:35:40 pm
Jena was great.

Yes it was ! Much fighting with the voltigeurs ;)
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Post by: Olafson on October 17, 2016, 07:14:39 pm
For me the battle was very fun. Even tho we are fusiliers we were put into a voltigeur company and it was great fun. These guys suck at marching in a line tho. But whatever, the light infantry combat made up for their crappy line movement and discipline.

Overall the event was great. We woke up early on saturday, teamed up with some other guys and marched out to the battlefield at 8am. We were supposed to meet a group of Saxons somewhere in the villages and woods around it and we searched them for a while but we couldn't find them, so we decided to just go the place we were supposed to meet up with the rest of our battalion and wait for them. For some reason they arrived like 2hours late, so we had a very very long wait, but still it was fun.

Also best part ofc. was throwing apples at the 2nd KGL. Screw you Wolff.
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Post by: Cara on October 17, 2016, 07:30:14 pm
For me the battle was very fun. Even tho we are fusiliers we were put into a voltigeur company and it was great fun. These guys suck at marching in a line tho. But whatever, the light infantry combat made up for their crappy line movement and discipline.

We had english speaking people in our voltigeurs peloton, were you the ones (center of the formation) marching too fast during the conversions ? However we had great fun firing from the dike and at the end charging the back of the prussians :)
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Post by: Vincenzo on October 17, 2016, 07:35:42 pm
Haha, were you the ones not able to march in step at all? :P :P :P :P

Yeah we were moving quickly when forming line to front.

The biggest problem though was the french lady to my left which somehow always cannot count distance steps and ends up on the other side of the planet.. :D
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Post by: Cara on October 17, 2016, 08:22:51 pm
Sure she is doing canteen usually, and some are too old to follow I agree ! But it doesn't change the fact that you have to stay aligned with the guides at left :) For my part, I don't have a problem with marching in step, i've been doing that in the military for 2 years
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Post by: joer5835 on October 17, 2016, 08:45:16 pm
Sadly, Jena was just way too far away from me. How many did you say were there? 800?
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Post by: Olafson on October 17, 2016, 09:17:59 pm
No, if you order a left or right wheel, then you stay aligned with people. If you order to march from column into line, then you just move with a slightly faster step, not caring for the other people around you, until you reach your destination, and then you address to the left or right, depending where the guide is. If you were to keep aligned with the people to your left and your right, you would never be able to reach the final position in one easy go. (But if I find my book, I will also look that up, just to be sure that I am correct)

Additionally, if you say "turne" (or however you spell it) then you run as fast as you can. At least as far as I know. I wanted to look it up sometime this week (Because I am really not sure about turne), if I ever manage to find my book... Other idea might be that you use turne when you are in battalion, but it does not make much sense to me.

Wheeling is the easiest thing in the world, if you know how to do it. Look outside, push inside, keep touch.

Alignment is also easy, but for some reason there are always people that think that they just have to touch the guy to the left or right and that this is all they need. It is not. If you align to the right or the left, you look left or right and move forward until you can see the belly of the rightmost/leftmost person. Additionally you also keep touch with the guys to your left and right.

We followed the guide to the left, but the fucking retard always went so far ahead that we had to get into superposition with the officers in front of us, which is sadly not possible for us, because we are not living in the world of quantum mechanics.

And then for some reason, our officer kept forgetting to give orders when we were marching in line. We just had to assume what we were supposed to do.

In the end we ended up just repeating all orders we could hear as loud as we could, because neither our sergeant nor our corporals did it. Apparently there was a sergeant standing somewhere behind Vince. He did nothing. This is not how it works.


To sum it up:
Guides are there to keep the distance between different pelotons, to walk straight and to keep the line together. Corporals and sergeants repeat commands when they are given, so that everyone can hear them. They also do not randomly stay around in the line.
When in battalion, officers give commands. The soldiers in the peloton should not have to listen to the chef de battalion, but only to the officer commanding the peloton. 
When you get the order to move out, you move out with the ordinary step (unless commanded otherwise) and not with some arbitrary step you made up in your mind. Additionally you do not randomly change your step while marching. It makes no sense and serves no purpose.
If you get the order to do a wheel to the left, but the officer concludes with "forward march" you march forward. It is not the soldier's problem, that the officer made a mistake. If he makes a mistake, he should learn from it.
If for some reason, you end up in a different file (in my file) and you just decide to stay there for a shot, move forward. DO NOT FIRE YOUR MUSKET RIGHT AT MY EAR. Next time I see that guy, I will stab him in the face.
If the guide is the left, and he pushes slightly left, then you give in and push the person to your right to your left. You do not push back. Otherwise you will end up squashing anyone in the center.
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Post by: Duuring on October 17, 2016, 09:37:09 pm
I'm really hoping we will have a bugler for our Prog batallion at Walldürn. Skirmish with 60 guys and a bugler? Yes please.
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Post by: zac on May 17, 2017, 10:32:36 am
Pfffff, 'Warning: this topic has not been posted in for at least 120 days.'


So Englanistan and the Democratic Federal Peoples Republic of EurostanreichSSR fam, anyone know if Waterloo reenactment on next year?

Trying to work calendar thingy around and looking at some time between Aprilish-Junish. Have to visit family on the Isle of Man (Yes my ancestral inbred home island), but as might be easier was also just considering the Ickworth House event and sneak into the 21eme lines with an outrageously bad aussie/english/french accent... anywhom, Uk folk, suggestion of a good event with peoples the merry and many?

All depends on Masters work but thx anyway!

Yours truly,

Her Majesties Loyal Austrianalian New South Welsh man/attack chopper/non binary cannon fodder <3

~Now back to Gin and Assignments I go, adieu mon kameraden
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Post by: Mr T on May 18, 2017, 09:47:25 pm
Ickworth House is a great event, it's usually a medium sized events where us young-middle aged members attend without the officers who're still hibernating in April.  If you're coming April-Junish then May also has great events, if Hole Park is on next year again in May that's gonna be the biggest UK reenactment that year.
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Post by: Barnesy on May 30, 2017, 09:54:34 am
Ickworth House is a great event, it's usually a medium sized events where us young-middle aged members attend without the officers who're still hibernating in April.  If you're coming April-Junish then May also has great events, if Hole Park is on next year again in May that's gonna be the biggest UK reenactment that year.
100% on Ickworth, it's a great event, Saturday skirmish is usually way better than the Sunday in my opinion.
Haven't made Hole Park yet, last year I was on holiday, this year I moved house! Although it's also a good one to go to as well. If the site sponsors are happy once again, then I can't see why it wouldn't be on next year
Haven't heard anything about Waterloo 2018
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Post by: Mr T on June 11, 2017, 11:11:08 am
21eme has a new Facebook page run by me and the other young members of the unit, gently taking control of the technology from the dinosaurs ;)

https://www.facebook.com/21emeLigne/
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Post by: Cara on June 12, 2017, 01:45:47 pm
21eme has a new Facebook page run by me and the other young members of the unit, gently taking control of the technology from the dinosaurs ;)

https://www.facebook.com/21emeLigne/

Nice :D

Same for us : https://www.facebook.com/18edeligne/
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Post by: Duuring on June 12, 2017, 02:01:13 pm
Speaking of which: https://www.facebook.com/110thPennVol/


Nearly a 100 likes!  ;D
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Post by: Cara on June 12, 2017, 02:17:04 pm
Nice trenches  :D
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Post by: Olafson on June 12, 2017, 10:22:05 pm
Plebs. Both my Pages are over 120, and the 1916 page doesn't even have good images. In fact it has quite bad images...
I need to get this stuff more up to date and get better images and text... We barely update them. I guess it could be a good way to find new recruits.

https://www.facebook.com/conscrits1812/
https://www.facebook.com/85eme1916/
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Post by: Wolff on June 12, 2017, 11:36:26 pm
they suck so much I should dislike both of them...should do the same with the 110th
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Post by: Olafson on June 12, 2017, 11:53:04 pm
Gonna go and dislike the 2nd Kgl page noaw.
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Post by: Duke Of LongTree on June 13, 2017, 02:42:08 am
Gonna go and dislike the 2nd Kgl page noaw.

LOL
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Post by: zac on June 13, 2017, 04:37:18 am
Decline to comment on how the Australasian napoleonic scene refuses to move to FB by and large....hey guess what we still have a yahoo messaging list.....



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Post by: Duke Of LongTree on June 13, 2017, 07:52:06 am
90% of the American Napoleonic wars stuff hasn't been updated since like 2009
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Post by: Olafson on June 13, 2017, 12:16:28 pm
Kinda normal in Reenactment tbh.
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Post by: Wolff on June 13, 2017, 02:39:35 pm
Gonna go and dislike the 2nd Kgl page noaw.

pff we got more than 1.200 likes - so fuck you all with your plebian pages  :-*
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Post by: Olafson on June 13, 2017, 06:31:28 pm
At least we are not pretending to be sharpe.
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Post by: Wolff on June 13, 2017, 07:20:56 pm
You little bastard

no ban plox
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Post by: Riddlez on June 13, 2017, 07:44:28 pm
I'd post popcorn pictures, were it not forbidden.

By the way..... I saw on the planner that there's a WW1 event coming up in September of this year, Olaf...
Have you got a place for me and the willingness to potentially include me?

I would have a slight problem of not being able to last until Tuesday, I assume Germany is free but I am only available the weekends...
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Post by: joer5835 on June 13, 2017, 08:18:48 pm
Most Reenactment websites and facebook pages are usually years behind. Only recently have we actually made the effort to keep our website and facebook up to date.

https://www.facebook.com/equipagededelft/ (https://www.facebook.com/equipagededelft/)

Since everyone is measuring their dicks comparing likes and sharing facebook pages, I might as well throw ours into it as well. So there it is, in case ye be interested. Ye be forewarned, it is all in Dutch. And no, I am not the one that owns and updates the page.

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Post by: Coldstreamer on June 20, 2017, 03:07:54 am
Most Reenactment websites and facebook pages are usually years behind. Only recently have we actually made the effort to keep our website and facebook up to date.

https://www.facebook.com/equipagededelft/ (https://www.facebook.com/equipagededelft/)

Since everyone is measuring their dicks comparing likes and sharing facebook pages, I might as well throw ours into it as well. So there it is, in case ye be interested. Ye be forewarned, it is all in Dutch. And no, I am not the one that owns and updates the page.
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Post by: Duuring on July 04, 2017, 12:31:57 pm
Home sweet home for the weekend
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Post by: Riddlez on July 04, 2017, 02:49:33 pm
Rain, Ticky-tacky shelters and horrible weapon maintenance.
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Post by: Duuring on July 04, 2017, 02:58:00 pm
Say what you want, my gun didn't have a spot of rust on it.  ::)
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Post by: Riddlez on July 04, 2017, 03:03:24 pm
Not suprising, really
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Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on July 04, 2017, 03:44:54 pm
Pew pew mothafuckahs.

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Post by: joer5835 on July 04, 2017, 04:05:54 pm
Say what you want, my gun didn't have a spot of rust on it.  ::)

Ha, amateur. Get on my level.
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Post by: Olafson on July 04, 2017, 05:26:39 pm
And ey, the shelter worked, it blocked the rain, so there's that. 

Now I just need to clean and de-rust 5 guns. Hurrah. Which I can not do yet, because it still has not stopped raining. 
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Post by: Cara on July 04, 2017, 08:43:47 pm
It was Pouvrai ? Sounds nice !!
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Post by: Olafson on July 05, 2017, 01:14:15 am
Nah, I didn't even know that that was going on until I saw the pics on monday. We went to Wavre.

We go there every year, for some reason... It is one of the worst events :P
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Post by: Cara on July 05, 2017, 12:32:18 pm
Oh ok then ! Yeah it has its reputation, that's funny from you guys, something like a Stockholm syndrome ?  :P
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Post by: Olafson on July 05, 2017, 01:55:24 pm
Well it is very close by, so theres that.
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Post by: Stasiulek on July 05, 2017, 03:55:11 pm
Home sweet home for the weekend
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Great photo!  ;)
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Post by: Cara on July 05, 2017, 03:55:21 pm
I get it ! Will you guys be at LBE ?
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Post by: Riddlez on July 05, 2017, 08:19:13 pm
Though it was good fun. My fucking ears are still ringing though  :P
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Post by: Olafson on July 05, 2017, 08:28:07 pm
I guess it was alright. Nothing special or anything.

We will be at LBE, but Marc asked us to go Landwehr instead of French. Reason for that is quite simple... First of all, the French have one permanent camp with farb things like tents etc, while the Coalition does not, and 2nd of all there are far to few Coalition troops this time.

So yeh, we will be there as Landwehr, trying to do our best to drive the French back to Paris. Which will be difficult, considering that we are like 6 guys, while most french groups will be much larger... And as you know, engagement rules say that the smaller unit has to retreat. But I guess in the end it is better for us, at least we have someone to fight against.

Not all of us are coming though, my brother and some other guys do not have the time :/
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Post by: Duuring on July 05, 2017, 08:28:48 pm
I still marvel at the tactical genius of our commander to put us just in front of two cannons.
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Post by: Olafson on July 05, 2017, 08:31:25 pm
Though it was good fun. My fucking ears are still ringing though  :P

You will get used to it in due time.

In other news, I started cleaning up the guns, finished half of my gun (the one you used, riddlez) today, gonna finish the remaining part tomorrow. I am taking everythin apart, every single screw and small part, that is why it is taking so long. I am also making sure that no rust is left. I literally emptied 15 liters of boiling water in the barrel today, it should be 100% gunpowder free now...
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Post by: Duuring on July 05, 2017, 08:38:04 pm
We have to find some new techniques to clean the guns. Clearly we're doing something wrong, considering the ridicious amount of water we have to use which never would have been available for soldiers unless they were near a river.
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Post by: joer5835 on July 05, 2017, 09:28:41 pm
I literally emptied 15 liters of boiling water in the barrel today, it should be 100% gunpowder free now...

Jesus. How filthy was that thing that you needed 15 liters? I use like 2 liters max whenever I clean at home and you know me, I'm a complete freak when it comes to my gun being clean.
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Post by: Riddlez on July 05, 2017, 09:58:13 pm
Water will barely solve the gunpowder, as it is mostly an oil-like substance. Using slightly acidious solutions will work.

Piss supposedly works fine, but you can try other stuff as well.
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Post by: Olafson on July 05, 2017, 10:21:48 pm
Hot water works fairly well, it removes all the big residue. A liter of water or less usually works fine if you want it to work. I dropped 15 liters in there because I am at home, have a couple of kettles, and because I could.

Originally they would have cleaned their guns with water. Regulation states that soldiers are not allowed to take the guns apart, unless they are a trained gunsmith. After 50 shots, they would put boiling water down the barrel.

Thats all it says.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on July 05, 2017, 10:40:51 pm
I guess we could try boiling the water up to boiling point instead of just making it hot.
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Post by: Olafson on July 05, 2017, 10:45:06 pm
Aye. That's what I do at home. At reenactments we somehow never have the patience for it.
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Post by: zac on July 06, 2017, 03:36:31 am
Lol..the key to cleaning them is to clean them as soon as possible after action. We down here usually spend 20-30 minutes after a battle cleaning/boiling water as a unit. When cleaning don't merely pour it down but hand over touch-hole, hand on end of barrel and swish it around...we do it 2-3 times, then pour one last round of boiling water down, dry the lock and oil it and walla...all new. Though most of us use Pedersoli and the Indian models don't clean as easily
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Post by: Duuring on July 06, 2017, 09:48:42 am
We need a set of protective gloves for that.
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Post by: Olafson on July 06, 2017, 10:31:59 am
Not really, that's how we usually do it too. Put water in, let it drizzle through the touch hole until it comes out clean, then pour a bit more, shake it, twist it over and let the water go out the muzzle.
It does not really matter when you clean your barrel from it either, if you have boiling water it should get rid of the remains. I usually clean it the next morning, it works just fine, I never had a musket misfire because there was shit left in the barrel.

The biggest problem is, that you can not pour it alone. You need at least 2 guys. We have no tea/coffee boiler, only a large kettle we can boil water in. The kettle does not have a handle or a nice funnel where the water comes out. It makes it difficult to pour water into the barrel without burning yourself.


Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on July 06, 2017, 10:33:23 am
Yeah, but if you do that with water that has just reached boiling point, I'm not touching that barrel.
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Post by: Olafson on July 06, 2017, 10:36:17 am
That is why god invented the handkerchief.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Cara on July 06, 2017, 11:53:14 am
I guess it was alright. Nothing special or anything.

We will be at LBE, but Marc asked us to go Landwehr instead of French. Reason for that is quite simple... First of all, the French have one permanent camp with farb things like tents etc, while the Coalition does not, and 2nd of all there are far to few Coalition troops this time.

So yeh, we will be there as Landwehr, trying to do our best to drive the French back to Paris. Which will be difficult, considering that we are like 6 guys, while most french groups will be much larger... And as you know, engagement rules say that the smaller unit has to retreat. But I guess in the end it is better for us, at least we have someone to fight against.

Not all of us are coming though, my brother and some other guys do not have the time :/

Nice to hear.
We have the same problem in early August at the Saint-Bernard reenactement : 47 french vs 9 austro-piemontais... But when you read some memories at the time, in a good ambush position it was manageable to win the confrontation with far less men. However as you said, it's not quite possible with our reenactement rules, even if we did it a bit last year (4 vs 25 at Saint Amans)

About farbism in the french camp, I know right. It's difficult to gather a large number of troops and have a "Living History" camp. Even if Marc would love that I'm sure. Too many people are attached to their tables and chairs.... and too many people are old and need a tent and a sleeping bag. I could understand in Jena but here during the summer....

Anyway I'm glad you will be there, who knows, a rogue royalist voltigeur could join up your ranks ;)
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Post by: zac on July 06, 2017, 12:57:23 pm
pfff you don't need gloves dear Duuring, you haven't gone soft have ye :P ...you just kinda play hot potato with the musket as the barrel boils over xD , and as Olaf said a rag is your best friend.

We always have large Billycan's for Tea (STRAYA) but yeah....would love to see someone bring a tea/coffee boiler...would be hilarious

We usually have a plastic funnel to hand as it makes it easier too..farb but tbh if no public around don't care
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on July 06, 2017, 01:27:06 pm
I usually use my bonnet to grab the barrel if it's too hot. Or I leave the barrel attached to the stock and hold it by using the leather sling.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on July 06, 2017, 02:16:13 pm
Yep it's all possible.

But difficult without a funnel and with a large kettle full with water. Buuuuuut we done it before, it works so yeh.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on July 06, 2017, 03:16:21 pm
I too use my bonnet (Though in ACW the hard-top forage cap does not nearly lend itself as much as the loose wollen bonnet) but it's not uncommon to get some water over your hands anyway. That's no problem if it's just hot, but I would like to be extra careful if we boil it.
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Post by: Olafson on July 08, 2017, 12:40:09 am
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Aaaand finished product...

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Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on July 08, 2017, 12:47:47 am
Are you missing one of those springs to keep the barrel band in place?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on July 08, 2017, 01:08:21 am
Yeah, I lost it somewhere in the straw a long time ago, but the barrel band stays in place really well, it is actually so tight that I have to use the bayonet to get it loose.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Cara on July 08, 2017, 12:12:14 pm
Do you use brick for the rust ?
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Post by: Olafson on July 08, 2017, 04:54:52 pm
You mean brickdust? No, I don't know where to get that from. I have a polishing stone for it.
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Post by: Cara on July 08, 2017, 05:14:26 pm
Yes it's supposed to be the "living history" way. Seems pretty effective your polishing stone ? Where did you get it ?
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Post by: Bluehawk on July 08, 2017, 11:04:38 pm
In Kutuzov's 1786 instructions to the Bug Jäger Corps, he mentions "gently buffing with sand" for cleaning the metal components of a musket, but specifically forbids it's use inside the bore of the barrel (obviously), which must be cleaned with wet rags fixed to the ramrod. He also forbids the screws to be cleaned with sand, since it will wear away the threading. Lard is used as an alternative.
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Post by: Olafson on July 08, 2017, 11:57:38 pm
Yeah, I actually read that cleaning with sand was forbidden in the French Army.

The thing with brick dust is that I do not know where to get it. I could just get 2 bricks and make dust out of them, but I read that you need a specific kind of brick dust, as most modern bricks are of different material or something. Supposedly using the wrong brick dust will cause the same effect as sand: (which makes sense to me) deep cuts in the metal which will wear it off and make it rust even faster.

The historical way would be to use brick dust, get a rag with a bit of oil on it, soak it in the brick dust and remove the rust that way. Corners would be cleaned with the "astic" a wooden scraper.
You would almost never take your gun apart, as it was not encouraged, parts could be lost (look at my missing spring...) or would break to quickly.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on July 09, 2017, 12:15:18 am
Meaning a shitton of rust everywhere.
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Post by: Riddlez on July 09, 2017, 09:10:29 pm
Cleans guns are hot as fuck.
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Post by: Cara on July 10, 2017, 12:00:56 am
We purchased some for Living History events, it's pretty effective indeed but it's a special type (in mm), you can't make some with modern bricks.
I will ask for where we got it !
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Post by: Riddlez on July 16, 2017, 07:29:17 pm
I am having trouble finding the French drum instructions (Drum calls and signals) for the French army for Napoleonic. There's plenty of info on the British, but I can't seem to find anything useful for the French... Anyone able to lend me a hand?
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Post by: Olafson on July 16, 2017, 09:23:04 pm
Welcome to French reenactment.

Ive got it for French Light Infantry drill for the 85th Reg.

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I think the drum stuff is also in the manual. I will take a look later. I never really cared for it, so I did not read it, but I think it is there.
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Post by: Olafson on July 24, 2017, 06:10:51 pm
Had some time last weekend.

Part 2/5

This one was 10 times more rusty than previous gun...
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Post by: Riddlez on July 24, 2017, 09:54:30 pm
Confused that one with the dummy. It looks so.... clean
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Post by: Olafson on August 13, 2017, 02:44:25 pm
So Cara... good news, we were asked to go to LBE as French, so we will be on your side, probably even in your Peleton?
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Post by: joer5835 on August 15, 2017, 10:40:58 pm
I had nothing better to do on a summer eve so i decided to give the old bae some extra care.

And because I know how much you love clean guns, these pics are for you Riddlez. Excuse my phone's potato quality, my room is dark af and using flash doesn't really do wonders for the image quality.

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Post by: Olafson on August 15, 2017, 10:58:04 pm
Looking good.

Oh btw. did you know that marching by the flank, having a low attendance, having guest members, having an eagle that was issued by some veteran organization, or being the biggest unit in the UK does not mean that you can do whatever the fuck you want?
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Post by: Duuring on August 16, 2017, 12:11:35 pm
Someone is pissed off because his comment got removed  ::)
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Post by: Olafson on August 16, 2017, 01:10:46 pm
Nah, they did not get removed.
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Post by: Wolff on August 16, 2017, 01:52:29 pm
I want context
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Post by: Duuring on August 16, 2017, 03:36:10 pm
Olafson is listing all the excuses 21e members offer whenever they are confronted with inaccuraries in their impressions.
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Post by: Duke Of LongTree on August 16, 2017, 03:53:27 pm
Olafson is listing all the excuses 21e members offer whenever they are confronted with inaccuraries in their impressions.

are they Americans ?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on August 16, 2017, 03:56:24 pm
United Kingdom. Allthough I think there is also an unaffiliated American 21e.
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Post by: Mr T on August 16, 2017, 04:29:58 pm
Dearest Olafson,

The 21eme is not required to listen to keyboard warriors. We welcome constructive criticism with pleasure face to face. Over here we strive for steadily improving our drill and impressions over time. We don't appreciate fellows with too much time on their hands and without proper manners trying to force their opinions and criticism down our throats.
Do we have small inaccuracies here and there? Certainly. We work on them and always strive to improve our impressions. We will however always carry our eagle into battle if we have it available, it means far more to us than any other reenactment unit, at least in this United Kingdom.
You may continue to complain and criticise how we do things if you wish, but I'm afraid such grievances from you will fall on deaf ears as you've sadly given yourself a poor impression. Being our own regiment means we have the liberty to operate how we please as we strive to improve our already considerable authenticity. And, more importantly, we bear the fact in mind that none of us are real soldiers. You're not really soldiers. We are everyday people taking a weekend off to socialise with friends and bring education and enjoyment to the public along the way.
So if you'd like to come over here and demonstrate your superiority or discuss drill with us face to face we welcome you to do so. We wait with baited breath. Hope we don't end up waiting as long as people have waited for Battle Cry of Freedom.

Kindest Regards
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Post by: Duuring on August 16, 2017, 04:45:30 pm
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We welcome constructive criticism with pleasure face to face.

Do you? What, in your mind, is constructive criticism? Is it not, as the name suggests, the offering of criticism with suggestions and historical research on how to improve the mistake made? Then, to be frank, Olafson has been doing exactly that. Any criticism he has offered is always backed up by research and always shows how the impression can be improved. The 'we only want constructive criticism' argument is too often misused by people who simply seek reasons not to listen to offered criticism. Which quite frankly, is exactly what you're doing here.

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We don't appreciate fellows with too much time on their hands and without proper manners trying to force their opinions and criticism down our throats.

"We don't have to listen to your criticism because you didn't offer it in the nicest way possible, which is preferably not at all". No, that's not how it works. That's how you treated baseless criticism that isn't backed up by both research and constructive suggestions. Which is not what Olafson has offered you. Debate the subject, not the debaters.

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We work on them and always strive to improve our impressions

Do you really? Tell me, what things have you changed that you realized were inaccurate?

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We will however always carry our eagle into battle if we have it available, it means far more to us than any other reenactment unit, at least in this United Kingdom.

What rank does your eagle-bearer have?

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as we strive to improve our already considerable authenticity

21e'ers really can't make one post about their impression without praising it. What exactly are you doing right that other groups aren't?


Don't get me wrong: I don't really care what other groups do or don't. I concentrate on my own impression and my own group, and that's a whole lot more fun. However, I cannot stand the fact that the 21e always uses the same lame excuses whenever they are confronted with one of their inaccuracies.
Worse, they personally insult the person who gives it. Never, ever, have I seen a 21e member defend their impression with any actual historical evidence. It's always either 'We're the oldest group', 'we're the largest', 'we're the original' or, 'We don't appreciate fellows with too much time on their hands and without proper manners trying to force their opinions and criticism down our throats.'

There are things that take a lot to improve, but also things that are really easy - for starters, some of the 21e members can stop wearing parade gear all the time. Takes no effort. None. Give me one solid reason why you shouldn't do this.

I have no problem with groups with lower standards then we have. Everybody here is an adult, everybody can decide for themselves how they want to do this hobby. But don't claim to hold a standard anyone with knowledge can see you're not holding. It's disrespectful, to both the real soldiers and to re-enactors who spent time and effort in going the full mile.
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Post by: Riddlez on August 17, 2017, 12:07:42 am
[You're not really soldiers

Oi

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So if you'd like to come over here and demonstrate your superiority or discuss drill with us face to face we welcome you to do so.

Alright I may sound a bit biased but as someone who kicks on discipline I would like to offer some resistance.
I have been a guest to Olafson and his group twice now, and I can say hinestly they do not claim superiority.
Claiming these guys (or any group I have seen) coming even close to realistic battle discipline is nuts. Now I acknowledge I am no veteran and havent been in training for that long, but I can say if you perform like re-enactors do you're getting an incredibly small proportion of the discipline required to run a unit. Olafaon claims no superiority in this.
The only thing he claims, is being more serious than others (verging on the point of going against logic, who the fuck sleeps outside when its freezing and theres a fucking barn available) and this is by choice.
They're definitely not superios and they certainly dont need to show this  ;D
Perhaps the only thing I could criticize is if people claim to have an accurate impression but it is obviously flawed, even though I'd personally be inclined to improve the drillbook personally, it's weird as fuck and a lot doesnt make sense.

From what I have understood the drilbook is a bit ambiguous sometimes so a face-to-face probably would improve both units.
That said logical reasonig would suggest some units would abandon parts of the drillbook completely and invent their own (as I'd do). It is common modern practice and I bet it was common in the 19th century as well. Drillbooks are there to ignore where fit.

EDIT: who the fuck would wear parade uniform voluntarily?
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Post by: Duke Of LongTree on August 17, 2017, 08:07:47 am
AWWW shite but i do like wearing my Mississippi dress uniform
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Post by: Duuring on August 17, 2017, 08:56:52 am
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From what I have understood the drilbook is a bit ambiguous sometimes so a face-to-face probably would improve both units.

Occasionally, yes, but for the greatest part it's quite clear and straight-forward. These drillbooks were design to teach people with no militiary knowledge how to instruct new recruits. I don't really see a point in inventing one's own drill except for the parts that the drill book really does not mention. Like the apparant lack of instruction how to make a musket pyramid. For the rest, I'd caution against any change that's not backed up by historical evidence.
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Post by: Cara on August 17, 2017, 11:23:57 am
I just took a few days from my instructor duty to make the Grand Saint Bernard reenactement. It was the first time ever that a regiment (our 18e) crossed that moutain in the same conditions that in 1800. We made it barefoot with all the equipement. I will post some pictures it was incredible and a great tribute.
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Post by: Bluehawk on August 17, 2017, 02:12:22 pm
Like the apparant lack of instruction how to make a musket pyramid.

Did French regiments of the First Empire ever carry musket racks with their baggage on maneuvers or campaign? I ask because in Russian, "pyramid" can refer to either an impromptu stack of weapons like you're referring to, or to an actual built piece of carpentry for the purpose of neatly storing weapons. The prescribed equipment tables of 1798 and 1802 allot each infantry company two such racks and the infantry regulations assign them a place in the regimental camp between the company's tents and their "place of arms" where they assemble in formation. Banners and drums could also be placed in rests but those were not provided for by the state. If the musket racks were not available, they would fall back on the improvised piled arms.

At formal guard posts in towns and garrisons, the positions of individual sentries even had their own musket rests (short wooden posts with a notch cut in the top). In fact, the regulations even call for these to be planted outside the tents of generals in the field and at key positions around a camp's exterior, but understandably it was ignored in practice.
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Post by: Olafson on August 20, 2017, 10:51:40 pm
Like the apparant lack of instruction how to make a musket pyramid.

Did French regiments of the First Empire ever carry musket racks with their baggage on maneuvers or campaign? I ask because in Russian, "pyramid" can refer to either an impromptu stack of weapons like you're referring to, or to an actual built piece of carpentry for the purpose of neatly storing weapons. The prescribed equipment tables of 1798 and 1802 allot each infantry company two such racks and the infantry regulations assign them a place in the regimental camp between the company's tents and their "place of arms" where they assemble in formation. Banners and drums could also be placed in rests but those were not provided for by the state. If the musket racks were not available, they would fall back on the improvised piled arms.

At formal guard posts in towns and garrisons, the positions of individual sentries even had their own musket rests (short wooden posts with a notch cut in the top). In fact, the regulations even call for these to be planted outside the tents of generals in the field and at key positions around a camp's exterior, but understandably it was ignored in practice.

As far as I am aware they did neither issue nor carry these musket "tents" with them. Besides that, if they did not have tents for soldiers, we can safely assume that they did not use tents for the guns either. I think even the prussian Army mostly stopped issuing and using them by the time of the Napoleonic wars. A simple solution to fix the problem of it raining onto the guns is to either use a greatcoat or a blanket to cover the stacked weapons. It works fairly well.

There is an order from a General in 1793 that clearly says that at the end of the day, when the soldiers returned to camp, the rifles are to be stacked 15 feet in-front of each section and the backpacks laid around it.

For people who do not know what we are talking about:
(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.weissenfels1745.de%2FPicsgaley%2FRegenstein2003%2FRegenstein_gewehrmantel.jpg&hash=eebe2f198c5f156b55b30e10a661cb3619219845)

It is basically a small tent for your guns etc.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Bluehawk on August 23, 2017, 09:13:36 pm
Alright, thanks.

If you were curious what I meant by individual stands or rests for sentries, here are some illustrations:
Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/cxGZj1L.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/mkV8lLj.jpg?1)
(https://i.imgur.com/vqXdA8w.jpg)
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Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: zac on August 24, 2017, 04:29:19 am
Dearest Olafson,

The 21eme is not required to listen to keyboard warriors. We welcome constructive criticism with pleasure face to face. Over here we strive for steadily improving our drill and impressions over time. We don't appreciate fellows with too much time on their hands and without proper manners trying to force their opinions and criticism down our throats.
Do we have small inaccuracies here and there? Certainly. We work on them and always strive to improve our impressions. We will however always carry our eagle into battle if we have it available, it means far more to us than any other reenactment unit, at least in this United Kingdom.
You may continue to complain and criticise how we do things if you wish, but I'm afraid such grievances from you will fall on deaf ears as you've sadly given yourself a poor impression. Being our own regiment means we have the liberty to operate how we please as we strive to improve our already considerable authenticity. And, more importantly, we bear the fact in mind that none of us are real soldiers. You're not really soldiers. We are everyday people taking a weekend off to socialise with friends and bring education and enjoyment to the public along the way.
So if you'd like to come over here and demonstrate your superiority or discuss drill with us face to face we welcome you to do so. We wait with baited breath. Hope we don't end up waiting as long as people have waited for Battle Cry of Freedom.

Kindest Regards

Amen Mr T, I even came back to this sad echo chamber just to say that. Vive La 21eme! <3
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on August 28, 2017, 12:41:58 pm
A few photo's from La Boissere this year. Wasn't all that great, but a good re-enactment experience nonetheless. Still have to calculate how many kilometres we forged marched on Sunday.

Deploying as skirmishers in the forrest
(https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/21083572_10154837633829599_712128005089847372_o.jpg?oh=d119dd7ed5768207e8d8f366c6d31877&oe=5A263163)
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taking aim at French infantry in a nice skirmish
(https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/21167384_10154837635724599_8629224386738659358_o.jpg?oh=19fdcf3f4a7be2d8942c168f7dbfb394&oe=5A27AC13)
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A nice actionshot, though sadly a bit blurry
(https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/21055946_10154837635994599_9098801298552338096_o.jpg?oh=4fdcde11a2861ff9d4b750379e95a1b4&oe=5A5C261A)
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Taking cover while my comrade loads his weapon
(https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/21167480_10154837635529599_3734424146361090915_o.jpg?oh=37672431518cc695f3f8994a94325084&oe=5A1638CA)
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Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Cara on August 28, 2017, 01:11:08 pm
I know exactly when this was taken, I was just in front of you lying down and then firing back at you with the french voltigeurs
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on August 28, 2017, 02:59:00 pm
Should have switched sides too, the French side fucking sucked.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on August 28, 2017, 04:25:40 pm
I know exactly when this was taken, I was just in front of you lying down and then firing back at you with the french voltigeurs

You were at La Boissere-Ecole? I wasn't aware, or I'd have said hello. And yes, the French side sucked. At least for us, as we barely did anything. Also, why did the French just fall back instead when we FINALLY arrived at our position on Sunday?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Cara on August 28, 2017, 05:59:01 pm
I thought you guys were not there, I didn't see the last message on this topic from you Olafson with the drama and the fact that I didn't have internet in August..

I would have definetely said hello too, damn I regret !

I was in the 1er Peloton so I did have a lot of action on Saturday, running and firing on you guys (18e + Irish Legion). But on the french side the CO sucked and were so focused on winning their little game it was tiresome for us. Anyway, it was a good day with some nice skirmish. I took some pictures and videos, especially in the woods with the 85e. Lucky enough we had a great night without our tent.

On Sunday, it was worse and it pissed most of the french troops (won't coming back at LBE). Due to some misunderstanding, it seems the Allies were late on the battlefield and instead of doing some recon or whatever, we sat on our asses for 3 hours, a good part under the sun.  French COs didn't succeed to take a good decision and due to that a lot of groups left with anger... We were only a few left and the arty we were protecting ran out of ammo. So we did withdraw too...
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on August 28, 2017, 06:45:01 pm
Well yeah we were in the 3rd Peloton on Saturday, got pissed due to the horrible organization on the French side and the overall missing authenticity that this type of event was supposed to offer and during the heat of combat we managed to escape the french ranks and joined up with the Dutch line infantry. Best decision we took, it was great with them. On Sunday once we arrived on the bottom of the hill we took a short rest and then regrouped and marched off to attack the french, we deployed to skirmish line and came over the crest of the hill only to notice that all the french were gone. Pretty anti-climatic. I still enjoyed it much more than all the time I spent on the French side

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on August 28, 2017, 08:15:09 pm
'The heat of combat': All three platoons were running trough eachother in one big skirmish party and we just stopped running forward and hid amongst some rocks.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on August 29, 2017, 05:42:00 am
Alright, thanks.

If you were curious what I meant by individual stands or rests for sentries, here are some illustrations:
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(https://i.imgur.com/cxGZj1L.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/mkV8lLj.jpg?1)
(https://i.imgur.com/vqXdA8w.jpg)
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That looks like something to be used to look cool, like those pictures: guard duty and parade.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Toffee on August 29, 2017, 05:48:47 am
I, too, dabble in re-enactment. I like to rehearse popular music videos in the shower.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on August 29, 2017, 05:59:44 am
I, too, dabble in re-enactment. I like to rehearse popular music videos in the shower.

Lock this thread. You have won
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Toffee on August 29, 2017, 06:46:09 am
I, too, dabble in re-enactment. I like to rehearse popular music videos in the shower.

Lock this thread. You have won
  8)
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on August 29, 2017, 11:13:20 am
Alright, thanks.

If you were curious what I meant by individual stands or rests for sentries, here are some illustrations:
Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/cxGZj1L.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/mkV8lLj.jpg?1)
(https://i.imgur.com/vqXdA8w.jpg)
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That looks like something to be used to look cool, like those pictures: guard duty and parade.

Well yeah, I can not see how an individual rest per weapon would be very useful.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Cara on August 29, 2017, 01:07:46 pm
Well yeah we were in the 3rd Peloton on Saturday, got pissed due to the horrible organization on the French side and the overall missing authenticity that this type of event was supposed to offer and during the heat of combat we managed to escape the french ranks and joined up with the Dutch line infantry. Best decision we took, it was great with them. On Sunday once we arrived on the bottom of the hill we took a short rest and then regrouped and marched off to attack the french, we deployed to skirmish line and came over the crest of the hill only to notice that all the french were gone. Pretty anti-climatic. I still enjoyed it much more than all the time I spent on the French side

Haha I was just behind you in that combat, I should have shot you in the back you vil deserter ! Anyway, yes I fully understand your posiition. It was extremely frustrating and yet I was in the 1st peloton so I saw more action than you guys. On Sunday, we felt horribly sorry for you but the multiple hesitations of the COs made a lot of people give up. We had to leave a 3PM max so we left the "field" after 75% of our allies were gone in anger.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Toffee on August 29, 2017, 02:48:47 pm
How do you guys d code who dies?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on August 29, 2017, 11:58:02 pm
Sometimew they use actual bullets. Usually there is an event organiser who decides. He has a book he penned down some names in. Usually people he doesnt like. You get told right before battle when youre gonna die and how
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on August 30, 2017, 03:13:29 pm
Seriously though, we need to think of a better system for casualties. It's just plain stupid nobody falls if you get a full volley at you.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vorposten on August 30, 2017, 03:39:59 pm
When you have to change your flintstone, do the Wiliam Scream.

I read, that everyone in the Westfalian Landwehr carries a marked cartridge with them and when they reload they don't see which cratridge to take. So at one point you take the marked cartridge (by accident), load and shoot your rilfe and then you die at the next enemy volley.

When you got attacked and don't want to run back to your unit, after they retreat, simply "die" in charge.

Sometimes the unit leader says, who should be a casualties, so... that happens too.

Or you give each men a number and when an enemy volley is incoming, the "commander" shout out the numbers for you know... lying in the grass

Be creative. ;) And sorry for my English, somehow I can't concentrate xD


Next weekend I will fight in Stralsund. Wasn't on a Battlefield since Octobre 2016.:(
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on August 31, 2017, 12:15:46 am
Having a blunt flint and no spares at hand is often used as an incesitive in our unit to 'die.'
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on September 01, 2017, 12:08:20 am
So Henri got shot in the leg with a musket? Was that you Cara? Trying to kill your Chef de Battalion?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on September 01, 2017, 05:14:31 pm
So they did use real bullets then?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on September 01, 2017, 07:41:25 pm
(https://abload.de/img/21231652_8341952800800pslh.jpg)

Looks like no bullet to me :P

(https://abload.de/img/21167334_141971769808dgs68.jpg)

Doesn't even look that bad, just a normal burn wound I guess.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Toffee on September 01, 2017, 07:45:27 pm
Is that ser baristan selmy?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on September 01, 2017, 08:22:02 pm
He was lucky, that could have been way worse.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on September 01, 2017, 08:26:59 pm
Yeah. This is why I generally avoid charging with loaded guns. If I have to, I at least empty my pan before charging. That is, if I take part in charges. Melee combat is retarded and should never happen.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Cara on September 01, 2017, 09:35:55 pm
So Henri got shot in the leg with a musket? Was that you Cara? Trying to kill your Chef de Battalion?

I will not speak without the presence of my lawyer...

Maybe you know the song "Au premier coup tiré
J'ai tué mon capitaine"  ;)

I was not far when he was shot by one of the prussians landwehr (who slept in the french camp).


Yeah. This is why I generally avoid charging with loaded guns. If I have to, I at least empty my pan before charging. That is, if I take part in charges. Melee combat is retarded and should never happen.

Agreed. It's simple if I don't have the possibility to discharge my weapon before, I don't run into melee. Moreover, I share your opinion, it's often stupid and dangerous with the bayonets on, idiots pushing behind, flint ripping the habit...
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on September 01, 2017, 10:10:45 pm
That happened during a charge!? Sweet jesus, what kind of idiot charges with a loaded weapon...You should -absolutely- never do that.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on September 02, 2017, 10:32:41 am
Charges in Napoleonic Re-enactment are kinda retarded anyway.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on September 02, 2017, 12:53:49 pm
Charges in Napoleonic Re-enactment are kinda retarded anyway.

YES
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Cara on September 02, 2017, 07:10:21 pm
Charges in Napoleonic Re-enactment are kinda retarded anyway.

And quite unhistorical.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on September 02, 2017, 08:02:47 pm
Charges in Napoleonic Re-enactment are kinda retarded anyway.

And quite unhistorical.

YES
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on September 03, 2017, 04:17:27 pm
Lol, at Wavre I got almost stabbed in the face by a loaded rifle. Almost busted that man's head in. Decided to direct my aggression to at least slamming the barrel away from my face.

Could've gone by fucking Harvey Dent from that point, had it fired.

The complete cunt.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on September 03, 2017, 04:43:11 pm
See- Just don't charge, run away.

It is a shame though that you have only been at pretty crappy events so far...
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Toffee on September 03, 2017, 07:24:11 pm
See- Just don't charge, run away.

It is a shame though that you have only been at pretty crappy events so far...
does riddlez do france?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on September 03, 2017, 07:36:41 pm
Riddlez does yes.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Toffee on September 03, 2017, 07:47:39 pm
Then I suppose you can run away ayyy
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on November 15, 2017, 11:08:53 am
Dearest Olafson,

The 21eme is not required to listen to keyboard warriors. We welcome constructive criticism with pleasure face to face. Over here we strive for steadily improving our drill and impressions over time. We don't appreciate fellows with too much time on their hands and without proper manners trying to force their opinions and criticism down our throats.
Do we have small inaccuracies here and there? Certainly. We work on them and always strive to improve our impressions. We will however always carry our eagle into battle if we have it available, it means far more to us than any other reenactment unit, at least in this United Kingdom.
You may continue to complain and criticise how we do things if you wish, but I'm afraid such grievances from you will fall on deaf ears as you've sadly given yourself a poor impression. Being our own regiment means we have the liberty to operate how we please as we strive to improve our already considerable authenticity. And, more importantly, we bear the fact in mind that none of us are real soldiers. You're not really soldiers. We are everyday people taking a weekend off to socialise with friends and bring education and enjoyment to the public along the way.
So if you'd like to come over here and demonstrate your superiority or discuss drill with us face to face we welcome you to do so. We wait with baited breath. Hope we don't end up waiting as long as people have waited for Battle Cry of Freedom.

Kindest Regards

Amen Mr T, I even came back to this sad echo chamber just to say that. Vive La 21eme! <3

So I noticed that I was blocked from the 21e Facebook page, which assured me that my assumption was correct. You do not want to change.

Below is a picture I made to show some of the stuff that is wrong. I only took pictures from the official Facebook pages.
I do not claim that everything on this is correct, I am sure I am wrong on some points (Especially regarding officers and formation drill (Still learning that)). Please correct me if I am.
Oh yeah, plenty of spelling mistakes. But you will understand what I mean anyway.

Warning, huge picture:
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(https://abload.de/img/21e53kby.jpg)
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So before you claim that our stuff is wrong too and that we do not want to change, I took some pictures from our official Facebook page and did the same with them:
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(https://abload.de/img/111enjju8.jpg)
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Additionally here is a list that I do know that is wrong with our impressions (OMG I ACTUALLY ADMIT THAT THERE IS STUFF WRONG??? WOAAAAH):
- Cotton shirts
- Short cotton gaiters
- Short black gaiters
- No brass underneath shako covers
- Using 1809 Habits when we do events before 1809...
- Wrong pompoms
- I THINK (But am not sure yet) that the lining on our habits is wrong.

Here is everything wrong with our depot gear:
- One of the canteens is a wicker canteen
- Short Cotton gaiters
- Some of the shoes are the wrong model
- Some of the backpacks are the wrong model
- Some of the gilet vests are without arms
- Some of the habit vestes do not have fusilier epaulettes (They have none at all)
- Some of the trousers are cotton
- Artillery style Bonnet de police
- Some of the bayonet scabbards are the wrong model
- Wrong pompoms
- No brass underneath shako covers
- One of the shako covers is the wrong model

Why is there so much wrong with the Depot stuff?
Quite simple, because I put everything in the depot that we once had and exchanged with more proper gear.
So the depot stuff is a mix of good and bad stuff. Over the years I will get more and more good stuff and exchange the bad stuff in the Depot gear too, but it obviously takes time.
I want to be there in 1.5 - 2 years.

What we are currently working on/getting:
Linen Shirts (Means we can exchange 2 of the cotton shirts in depot with linen ones too)
New backpacks
Long Grey Gaiters
Long Black Gaiters
New and more Canteens
New Marmite
New Pompoms for all Periods (i.e. 3 different models * 10 (Because I also want to exchange the depot pompoms at the same time) = 30 new pompoms)

What we want to do soon (Sometime next year):
Shoes
Greatcoats
Woolen breeches
Proper neckties

Some of the stuff that is not completely done yet:
Shako brass - We have some of it done, but it takes time and is expensive.

Here is some recent proof that we do want to change:
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(https://abload.de/img/unbenanntb7jss.jpg)
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Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on November 15, 2017, 12:42:15 pm
Silly Olafson, everybody knows that seniority beats historical accuracy.

And to be totally fair, we're still researching the gloves-thing. If anyone has any historical drawings/paintings of these types of gloves (with half, cut-off fingers) being used, please send them to me.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duke Of LongTree on November 15, 2017, 03:17:55 pm
When he is made enough to close Arma 3
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on February 16, 2018, 05:37:45 pm
Here is something I wrote yesterday regarding the 85e. I am 100% sure it also applies to the 21e. So have fun reading.
Quote
Hello there.
I would like to address some things I have noticed that I really would like to see addressed.
I am only listing the most important issues. Most importantly I am growing sick of the formation drill that is being done. It is extremely confusing and not historically inaccurate. Often times I do not understand where I am supposed to stand or to walk, because for some reason the NCOs are all over the place, not where they are supposed to be. Just like Privates, Officers and NCOs do have a designated spot in the line. There are also a bunch of commands given that never existed or were ordered like that, which just adds to the confusion. So below you will see my suggestions regarding these issues. I will also include a list with drawings and short explanations for various maneuvers. I hope this will help some of you, as I do have the feeling that some of you have never even looked into the manuals.

But first of all, if I write “85e” I mean the reenactment 85e not the historical one. I am going to ignore the British file for now, as it is not often that the Dutch and British file act together.
Additionally, in 95% of all cases, we see the 85e operating alone as a single peloton not attached to a battalion. As such, to keep this simple I am only going to address the most common manoeuvres the 85e executes on events. All of the stuff said below is only referring to a single peloton split from its battalion, so operating independently. If the peloton is acting in a battalion, all of this will be slightly different. A lot of the movements in the manual (i.e. almost all) assume that the Peloton is acting within a battalion. As such a lot of the movements will end up with the Chef de Peloton in front of his line. However, when a Peloton is not in column of companies, it will usually not have the officer in front of the line, but in the front rank on the right. So keep this in mind. I did not adjust the drawings of the Chef de Peloton to this fact. I did however, adjust the drawings of the Left Guide to it. The drawings might be a bit confusing as most of them are read from the bottom to the top. Just look at the big numbers on each frame, so you look up the correct order of each movement.

I am obviously not going through all the maneuvers a peloton can do, but I am going to cut all of this down to a reenactment sized unit and am only going to include ranks that the 85e actually has.

To start with, what ranks do you need in reenactment sized peloton, and what can you do with the ranks the 85e has “access” to.

Ranks and positions in the line
So let’s start listing what ranks there are available to the 85e at the moment.

Sous-Lieutenant
Sergent
Caporal-Fourrier
Caporal

Now if we would put them in their historical places we would have a very weird looking line.
But we are a small sized reenactment unit, so let’s compose them into something more logical.

What is the absolute minimum of positions a Peloton needs to have to function (more or less) properly?

Several Privates
Guide de droite
Guide de gauche

However, this makes it impossible to do a whole bunch of movements (like forming section columns), so it is preferable to have at least:

10 Privates (5 per section, as anything less than 5 per section makes no sense)
Chef de peloton
Guide de droite
Guide de gauche
Chef de 2e section   

How could the 85e fill those positions with their currently available ranks? It is not possible. To do it, we have to cheat. We have to put several people in positions which they would not have been in, but I guess that is acceptable for a reenactment peloton.

Chef de Peloton - Sous-Lieutenant
Guide de Droite - Caporal
Guide de gauche - Caporal
Chef de 2e Section - Sergent

Order of Battle
So here is a drawing of how it would look when in order of battle:
https://abload.de/img/peletonorderofbattlenlsk0.png

Marching by the Flank
The line now wants to form a marching column to the right or left and start marching off. Usually, the line just does a right face and left face and that is about it. However, this is wrong.
The chef de peloton should do a right face then do a step to the left,
the guide de droite should do a right face then also a step to the left.
The guide de gauche should move into the supernumerary file at the end of the line.
Everyone else simply does a right face.
https://abload.de/img/parleflanc29sy0.png

Forming into order of battle from marching by the flank
To go back to a line of battle the Chef de Peloton can give several commands. However, most commonly and the only one I am going to address for now is “Par Peloton en Ligne”.
Important to note here is that the soldiers do NOT wheel. They, as the manual says, simply “put forward the right shoulder” which basically means they turn 45 degree to the left, i.e. they do a half left face. Once they get in the same line as the right guide, they align to him and continue marching forward in battle order.
(edit: the image says “half right face” it should be “half left face”):
https://abload.de/img/parpeletonenligne5jsis.png

Firing in order of battle
Alright. So let’s say the line wants to start firing and is in battle order and standing still.
The Chef de Peloton will give the command for what type of firing he wants and then the guides will start moving behind the line into the supernumerary file. The Chef de Peloton will place himself in the center of the line 2 steps behind the serre file.
https://abload.de/img/feudepeletonzcsy5.png

Forming a column of sections
The line stopped firing and now wants to form sections to the right and move in a column of sections. The Chef de Peloton will order: “Par section a droite” and he will start moving 2 steps in front of his section. The Chef de 2e Section will move in front of his section. In this case the right guide does NOT step forward. He keeps his current position. Once everyone is in position, both section leaders will order “Marche” upon which they will start moving forward to the point where the end of his section (including guide) will be. The rightmost soldier on the front rank will do a right face and the rest of both sections will start wheeling. Both section leaders will order “halte” once the wings of their sections are 2 steps away from their intended targets. Upon the order of “halt” both guides will immediately start moving to their new positions right in front of their respective section leaders. Their left arms will lightly touch the breasts of their section leaders. Once the guides are in place, the section leaders will order to dress to the left and inspect if their men are in a proper straight line. Upon ordering “fixe” they will move back in front of their sections, ready to move out. Forming it to the left is the same just inverted.
https://abload.de/img/parsectionadroite2msmz.png

How do you do this when the line is moving / to the front? It is a lot more simple. The Chef de Peloton will order “Rompez le Peloton” upon which he and the leader of the second section will place them self in front of their respective sections. Once the Chef de 2e Section is in his position, he will order his section to mark the step. Once the first section which keeps marching forward has passed them, he will give the order to march to the left oblique. As soon as the second section leader is behind the first section leader he will give the order to march forward.
There is an important thing to note here. Oblique marching when forming a column of sections WHILE marching forward is done differently. Instead of keeping the shoulders straight, the soldiers will do a half right face and march like this until ordered to march forward again.
https://abload.de/img/rompezlepeletonyeszo.png

Forming into order of battle from a column of sections
Alright, let’s form a line again. The Chef de Peloton will shout “Formez le Peloton” and then give the order to oblique march to the right. (This time, it is the “real” oblique marching). At the same time, the right guide will move to the right side of his section. Once the left wing of the section has reached the right wing of the 2nd section, the Chef de Peloton will order the first section to “Marquez les Pas”. Just at the moment that the 2nd section meets up with the first section, he will tell give the order to march forward. At this moment, the Chef de 2e Section will move back into the supernumerary file, and the Chef de Peloton in front of the Peloton.
https://abload.de/img/formezlepeletonulst2.png

Additionally to forming a line to the front, you can form a line to the left or the right. Both ways are slightly different. Here is how you form it to the left from a column of sections.
First thing the chef de peloton has to do is to stop the column. Both section leaders will give the corresponding command. Right after the command has been given they will move to the left outside, facing the sections 2 steps away from the guides. They will then order to dress to the left. Once that is done, they will move back in front of their companies and the Chef de Peloton will give the order “ A gauche en bataille - Marche”. On “Marche” the two leftmost frontrank men will do a left face. The guides will stay in place. Both section leaders will wheel together with their men. Once their sections are almost in place, they will call “Halte”. At this point they will move to their respective positions in order of battle, the Chef de Peloton to the rightmost point and the Chef de 2e Section behind the center of the 2nd section. Once both are in their place, the Chef de Peloton will order to dress to the right. Once all the men are dressed the order “Guides a vos Places” is given, and the guides return to their positions in order of battle.
https://abload.de/img/agaucheenbattaile6zstr.png

Forming a line to the right from a section column is a little bit more complicated. Reason for that   is that the sections can not just go to the right as they would be the wrong way around.
First order that will be given is the order to move the guides to the right side of the line. This is important, because they will have to turn to the right in the next movement.
Once both guides are on the right of the line, the Chef de Peloton will order his section to turn to the right “Tournez a droite - March” Do not confuse tournez with conversion or oblique. It is something in between. The right guide will simply make a right face and keep marching forward. The rest of the section will turn their left shoulder forwards (I.e. doing a half right face) and they will march on the shortest way possible (WITHOUT RUNNING) to their respective places next to the guide. Once they reach the line of the guide they will align to him and march forward together. The 2nd section meanwhile will keep marching forward. Once the first section is in place of where the Chef de Peloton wants it to be, he ordered it to halt. Immediately after the right guide moves right in front of his leftmost file, facing towards the right and the Chef de Peloton moves to his position in order of battle. He will then tell his men to dress to the right.
Once the 2nd sections front rank is as high as the leftmost file of the first section the Chef de 2e Section will order his men to turn right. They will execute it the same way the 1st section did.
As soon as the Left Guide (Right guide of the section) is 2 steps away from the rear rank of the 1st section he will order it to halt. He will then immediately move 2 steps in front of the line of battle, facing his section. The Left guide will move to the position of his leftmost file, facing towards the right. Once both are in place, he will order the 2nd section to dress right. Immediately upon doing so, he will move back to his supernumerary file behind the line of battle. Once the Chef de Peloton has made sure that the line is properly dressed he will order the guides back to their places in line of battle.
https://abload.de/img/surladroiteenbattaileigsrk.png

Counter Marching / Turning around
Let’s assume that the line is facing direction A, but has to turn around to face direction B.
To do this, the Chef de Peloton will order “Contre-Marche, Peloton Par le flanc droite, a droite”
Upon which the line will form a marching column to the right as usual but for the exception of the left guide. He will instead stay in his place but turn around 180 degrees. Once this is done, the Chef de Peloton will give the order to start moving by files left. However, this time by files left is done 180 degrees instead of 90. The Chef de Peloton will lead his company two steps behind the left guide and will order them to halt and to face left. But instead of stepping back into line of battle, he will step forward to the right 2 steps away from the left guide. He will then order the line to dress to the right upon which they will dress towards the left guide, the right guide stepping behind him. Once everyone is in place he will order “Fixe” and all the guides will move back to their usual positions. The Chef de Peloton will place himself in front of his company.
https://abload.de/img/contremarcherns9r.png

Column of Companies
Lastly, the line wants to start moving forward in a column of companies. To do that, the Chef de peloton will move 2 steps in front of the center of the Peloton and give the command to start marching.
https://abload.de/img/peletonorderofbattlemdwsf0.png

Inspection of Arms/Knapsacks/Whatever (OPENING RANKS)
To open ranks, you do not simply tell the 2nd rank to march several steps backwards. The manual actually explicitly states that the soldiers DO NOT count steps.
So how do you do it? Simple. The Chef de Peloton orders the men to shoulder arms and then orders “Ouvrez vos Rangs” upon which the left and the right guide both move onto the line of the serre-file. Once they are in the supernumerary file, they face towards the center of the line.
The Chef de Peloton will then order “Marche”. The rear rank and the Chef de 2e Section then begin to slowly move backwards until the soldiers reach the space between the left and right guide. They automatically stop moving once they are in the right line. As soon as all soldiers stopped moving, the right guide will order them to dress left. Once dressed left, the right and left guide will both face front. To close, the Chef de Peloton simply orders “Serrez vos Rangs, Marche” (Ofc. the soldiers need to be in shoulder arms to do so) upon which the entire line returns to order of battle.
https://abload.de/img/ouvrezvosrangs39sy7.png

So that's it about formation drill stuff for now. The above list is obviously not complete. It is missing a bunch of stuff, but the most basic stuff is there. Anyway there are a few more things I would like to address.

Carrying Arms as Officer or NCO
Just like NCOs and Officers do have designated places in the line, they also do have designated ways on how to carry their weapons.
https://abload.de/img/1796951_6592841807939egsh0.jpg

Sergeants and acting Sergeants carry their guns in the right arm, just like on Fig.1.
Caporals DO NOT carry their guns like this (Unless they are acting as Sergeants). Caporals carry their guns just like normal soldiers. They also do load and fire just like normal soldiers do.

Officers (and I guess if you do not have a gun as Sergeants (but you should have a gun), do the exact same) can carry their sword in 2 different ways. Fig.2 shows how it is carried when the officer is standing in the line. Fig.3 shows how the officer carries his sword when he is not inside the line.

A few more things about ways to carry guns
When ordering “Serrez vos Rangs” every soldier automatically goes to “L’arm au bras”.
Upon ordering “Halte” every soldier automatically goes to “Portez vos Arm”
When static and the order to “L’arm au bras” is given, the soldier does not grab his gun with the right hand. When moving, and the same order is given the soldier is free to grab the gun with his right hand. While technically optional, evidence shows this was almost always done (because why make yourself more tired then you need to be?). The drill instruction says that the soldier is also allowed to carry the weapon ‘comfortable’ while marching in Au Bras. Evidence suggests this developed into this pose:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-smQHFfxEEo4/UW1Tigp8dMI/AAAAAAAAEmY/oS2PFHsFc1M/s640/resolver+(3).jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/564x/c9/ec/e8/c9ece88dc0418f75982ddd616e9b6ec4.jpg

About shooting stances
I noticed recently that new members are not being teached proper firing stances. This is very dangerous as it can easily lead to someone tripping over if the recoil becomes to much. Just look at the 0:19 mark on this video. I was not standing properly and my front leg was slightly bend which almost caused me to trip over due to the heavy recoil. I have seen way worse from the new members, from completely bend legs to backwards bend bodies. Recoil on flintlocks is very unpredictable so teaching a good firing stance is important.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1sChMpfH3sL3HhBEv1tHbn7EaLS-dso3t/view

Placements of Drummers in the Peloton
Now, while this is not super historically accurate, I do recommend putting the Drummers either in the Supernumerary file behind one of the sections, or 2-6 steps behind the Chef de 2e Section. This is neither more or less accurate as whatever is done right now, but at least it is consistent.

Firing commands with drums
For some reason in the past firing commands have been issued with a drum roll, which is complete bullshit. A drum roll indicates to cease fire. Firing at the end of a drum roll makes absolutely no sense.

Placement of Eagles in the line

First of all, if you are operating as a single company what is the point of having an Eagle. It is very unlikely that a single company carried an Eagle. It is a thing to indicate the center of the battalion and to align the battalion along that Eagle. A single company does not really have the need for it. Additionally, where would that Eagle be placed. In reality, the company to the right center of the battalion would carry the Eagle. The Eagle would be, including its Eagle guards be placed on the left flank of the company. This would result in the Eagle being in the perfect center of the battalion. Now for a single company placing the Eagle on the left would not make much sense. Placing it in the center however would not be accurate either. That would mean that company is basically a battalion, which it is not…
So what to do? I have no idea. Maybe just leave the Eagle at home unless you are actually acting in a battalion. Otherwise it serves no purpose and makes no sense. Also, if you absolutely have to have an eagle, please place your Caporal-Fourrier next to it, so that that ranks finally serves a purpose.

Numbering of files
Historically the NCO/Chef de Peloton would give each file a number from 1-however many files there are. This is very important as that way the Chef de Peloton can easily address each file with their number. It also helps with certain movements like forming a Stack of Arms, as each file will know what they have to do.

Height of soldiers and forming ranks
When forming a company, the NCO/Chef de Peloton will arrange them in a single file, from the right to the left. The smallest men are on the left, the tallest men are on the right.
He will then split the line evenly into 3 parts (For reenactment 2) the third part on the right will be the front rank and therefore be made out of the tallest men, the third part on the left will be the second rank and therefore be made out of the smallest men. The remaining part will be the third rank and will be all remaining men. This makes sense, as the tallest men in the front will look the most impressive when marching to the front. When shooting, the front rank will also crouch down, making it much easier for the 2nd rank to fire over the first rank and the 3rd rank is naturally slightly taller than the 2nd rank, so they will not have a hard time aiming either.


Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on February 19, 2018, 05:09:11 pm
Well... I said what I had to say in a response to this on facebook...
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Post by: Olafson on February 19, 2018, 09:47:57 pm
I know. This is just for the 21e. So I can piss them off.
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Post by: Windflower on February 21, 2018, 05:25:16 am
Is Olafson the reenacting police?
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Post by: Olafson on February 21, 2018, 05:25:58 am
Pretty much.
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Post by: Duke Of LongTree on February 22, 2018, 11:50:30 pm
Pretty much.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on March 07, 2018, 02:06:44 pm
And now for something completely different.

More of a question for Olafson, but I am posting it here in case others have some ideas as well.

For the guys doing French impressions, where do you buy uniform buttons? I am trying to get a full set of 85e buttons for a habit-veste I have ordered but every place I go to its either the incorrect ones or they don't have any left in stock. I know there's people that can get them somewhere so I wanna know where, so I can always order some myself if I ever have to.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on March 07, 2018, 02:42:43 pm
I gave Willem a set of 85e buttons for you. For the Bardin habit.
22 small 8 large.

I can order more.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Toffee on March 07, 2018, 02:55:31 pm
Spending the BCoF budget on buttons
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Post by: Zebaad on March 07, 2018, 08:01:40 pm
Spending the BCoF budget on buttons
Knowing olaf, they'll be worth it ;)
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Post by: Windflower on March 07, 2018, 08:14:40 pm
I'm willing to make a donation towards Olaf's reenacting career
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Post by: Olafson on March 07, 2018, 11:25:27 pm
Spending the BCoF budget on buttons
Knowing olaf, they'll be worth it ;)

They look amazing, so yes.

(https://abload.de/img/knoflky_iiii1sed.jpg)

I'm willing to make a donation towards Olaf's reenacting career

Thank you. Please donate 10 million $ to PayPal: nicoflyingsquirrel@googlemail.com
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Post by: Duke Of LongTree on March 08, 2018, 06:52:24 am
Spending the BCoF budget on buttons
Knowing olaf, they'll be worth it ;)

They look amazing, so yes.

(https://abload.de/img/knoflky_iiii1sed.jpg)

I'm willing to make a donation towards Olaf's reenacting career

Thank you. Please donate 10 million $ to PayPal: nicoflyingsquirrel@googlemail.com

Almost as nice as my 5th GR buttons
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on March 08, 2018, 11:56:39 am
And now for something completely different.

More of a question for Olafson, but I am posting it here in case others have some ideas as well.

For the guys doing French impressions, where do you buy uniform buttons? I am trying to get a full set of 85e buttons for a habit-veste I have ordered but every place I go to its either the incorrect ones or they don't have any left in stock. I know there's people that can get them somewhere so I wanna know where, so I can always order some myself if I ever have to.

Out of curiousity, where did you order the habit-veste?
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Post by: joer5835 on March 08, 2018, 04:17:39 pm
Out of curiousity, where did you order the habit-veste?

Valerie Richards from Reenacting Wardrobe.

I gave Willem a set of 85e buttons for you. For the Bardin habit.
22 small 8 large.

I can order more.

I heard. I don't need anymore right now, but for future reference, how long does it usually take to get them and for how much apiece?
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Post by: Olafson on March 08, 2018, 06:59:41 pm
I buy them for 1 euro a piece and sold them for 1 euro a piece.
It varies how long it takes until they arrive. Between 2-5 months on average.
For now I am not going to give any more buttons to anyone outside of my own group though. And yes, that means the Dutch 85th is not going to get them from me anymore. Or at least not for a euro a button.. It is not like the 85th is going to appreciate them anyway.


I ordered a Habit from Valerie Richards a long time ago (During my super farb days). It never was finished in time and when it was, it did not fit properly, as she somehow assumed that I am much taller than I actually am. The shoulderflaps or epaulettes or however you call it in English were also wrong. I still have that habit veste here, never used. I only keep it in case one of my proper habits gets ripped and I need wool to repair it.

Good luck with yours.

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Post by: Duuring on March 08, 2018, 08:32:02 pm
Pretty sure she uses the imfamous 'english pattern' which used the pattern of a modern tailed jacket to make a habit-veste. Could be wrong, as she doesn't seem to have a website or facebookpage with her items on it. Either way, not that it matters as you literally cannot seem to get a proper habit-veste anywhere in this part of Europe.
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Post by: Toffee on March 08, 2018, 10:14:59 pm
Do all you re-enactment guys know eachother or something
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Post by: Duuring on March 08, 2018, 10:22:45 pm
Well, Joer, me and Olafson all re-enactment the same period in the same region, so quite logically, yes.
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Post by: Cara on March 08, 2018, 10:34:35 pm
It's a pretty small world
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Post by: Olafson on March 09, 2018, 02:16:09 am
Reenactment is also pretty much a thing where you need to know other people in order to get anything done, so we do kinda rely on knowing each other.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Wolff on March 09, 2018, 01:18:09 pm
even if you hate those guys
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Post by: Zebaad on March 09, 2018, 01:48:26 pm
even if you hate those guys
Why would they hate each other? :p reenactment is 1/8 events, 3/8 creating, or repairing kit and 4/8 drinking together. I don't see a reason to hate 😂
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on March 09, 2018, 03:33:57 pm
even if you hate those guys


Especially if you hate those guys.  :-*

Why would they hate each other? :p reenactment is 1/8 events, 3/8 creating, or repairing kit and 4/8 drinking together. I don't see a reason to hate 😂

There is so much pettyness, group politics and personal hathred in re-enactment.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: StephanGH on March 09, 2018, 03:38:48 pm
even if you hate those guys


Especially if you hate those guys.  :-*

Why would they hate each other? :p reenactment is 1/8 events, 3/8 creating, or repairing kit and 4/8 drinking together. I don't see a reason to hate 😂

There is so much pettyness, group politics and personal hathred in re-enactment.

Sounds a bit childish from a bunch of dudes dressing up and pretend fighting for fun..... Oh.

Nah jk :p Re-enactment is cool but it indeed is a bit sour when people start being petty cunts.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on March 09, 2018, 04:03:08 pm
Let me explain it to you like this: Most of you are well-aware of the various reasons for conflict in NW regiments, and how they play out.

Re-enactment is 100% the same. 100%. Same reasons, same arguments, same drama. Same.
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Post by: Cazasar on March 09, 2018, 04:03:37 pm
Let me explain it to you like this: Most of you are well-aware of the various reasons for conflict in NW regiments, and how they play out.

Re-enactment is 100% the same. 100%. Same reasons, same arguments, same drama. Same.
That sounds like AIDS tbh

Then again im still playing NW. huh. Guess I just played myself
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on March 09, 2018, 04:27:05 pm
It's also the most amazing hobby you'll ever find. You just need to stay clear of toxic people. I can show you enough examples of how incredibly retarded groups and some of the people in them can be.

Don't get me wrong; there are good people in bad groups and there are good groups with bad people. It's not black and white. But man, the politics. I've had enough re-enactment politics for a lifetime, and I'm just 21. I'm just avoiding politics as much as I can. Like, a guy in our ACW group (we do Federal) signed up but couldn't attend any events because the Confederate group he also was a member of, made it mandatory to be with their group at events.
Somehow, normal re-enactment procedure is to make this a huge problem, pick a fight with the Confederate group, compare at least one of their members with a famous Nazi on some social media platform and force the guy to choose a side. Because...Because OH NO LESS RIFLE IN THE LINE!!11, I guess? We just said "of course, we understand, that's absolutely your choice and you're always welcome to join us for an event". Our group impression is not going down the drain just because we're with one guy less. If there's anything that kills a group, it's people who don't really want to be in it.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Piercee on March 09, 2018, 04:43:54 pm
I don't doe reenactment but I do do military simulation events, AKA Milsim so I know the drama it can have although the environment is a bit more modern.
The endless debates of WW2 Milsim events are annoying though since there's a stigma around German uniforms which doesn't allow you to properly dress an unit up just because it offends some people.
Oh well, I just do modern Russian anyways nowadays.

(Some pics if you want to see it, it's not the typical reenactment but I guess since it's accurate gear it still classifies as such, even had to get plates in my gear making my vest weigh around 7.5kg more than before, good thing is that if someone decides to randomly shoot me with real gun and I'm wearing it, I'll probs survive.)

Kit from behind in combat
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Random kit selfie
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Custom meme made for me

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I've got a canadian camo kit aswell and I've been working on my rebel loadout (Eastern European) and my SS Leto gear which is a camo that was used by the Russians in the early 2000s, inspired from a German SS camo from WW2.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on March 09, 2018, 05:06:56 pm
I like MilSimers in the sence that they (well, the good ones) show the same dedication to their weird-ass-hobby as we do. Though, I have to admit that modern 'impressions' are somewhat odd to me. Also because they always seem to want to be Special Forces. I have no issue with people running around with airsoft guns playing a game, or being very serious about that (competition creates seriousness), but there is no real reason to dress up as a modern Spetsnazi, is there? There's no (self)-educational role, I'd assume.
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Post by: Piercee on March 09, 2018, 06:02:11 pm
Well Imost my loadouts are MVD or VDV. MVD pretty much is an unit who deal with alot of internal affairs. Could be terror attacks or similar situations. VDV are paratroopers with extreme training. But alot of people want to be just the coolest special forces. I agree, its kinda stupid but there's tons of units here that are pretty normal like for example only digi flora infantry with stock AKs. My canadian loadout is regular inf aswell and my next digi flora loadout is gonna be aswell. Besides that its fun to collect real war items since I want a full steel helmet aswell which costs about 800 euros.

Although I must say the Russian milsim scene is very serious about their gear and theres way less of it in general than people with NATO gear.

The better milsim events set restrictions on gear aswell for factions. A good example in the US for that is Milsim West and there is also a large event in the UK that works the ssme way.

I have different replicas aswell as I have a fully decked out modern AK. I have a self painted AK74. And I have a stock AKS74u for paratroopers and light infantry.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on March 09, 2018, 06:30:46 pm
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Besides that its fun to collect real war items since I want a full steel helmet aswell which costs about 800 euros.

I got a kevlar helmet for 50 euros hihihi
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Windflower on March 09, 2018, 06:37:59 pm
I would get into re-enacting but unfortunately there's not much of a scene for it in Northern Ontario, or I'm just not aware of any. 
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Post by: Piercee on March 09, 2018, 07:27:53 pm
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This helmet is amazing to use and it has quite some style points which is what alot of Russian gear has

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Random guy I know from a group I'm in and he does these pics alot, they're not from any game day or whatever but he just has photoshoots to get some iconic shots of his gear in nice settings, works out quite well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnCmIKh1AWY

Also a guy I've been watching for quite a while who makes videos of the Milsim west events, mostly from the Russian POV
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Wolff on March 09, 2018, 09:25:58 pm
even if you hate those guys
Why would they hate each other? :p reenactment is 1/8 events, 3/8 creating, or repairing kit and 4/8 drinking together. I don't see a reason to hate 😂

you never met Duuring in rl right?
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Post by: Duke Of LongTree on March 10, 2018, 01:31:22 am
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This helmet is amazing to use and it has quite some style points which is what alot of Russian gear has

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Random guy I know from a group I'm in and he does these pics alot, they're not from any game day or whatever but he just has photoshoots to get some iconic shots of his gear in nice settings, works out quite well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnCmIKh1AWY

Also a guy I've been watching for quite a while who makes videos of the Milsim west events, mostly from the Russian POV

this just looks silly
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Piercee on March 10, 2018, 01:31:40 am
How does it?

Also just watch stuff about Milsim West in general, the guy I linked makes it into memes mostly but there's plenty of vids from most of the events without editing.

Just love watching stuff like this


Gets me so hyped seeing so much millitary gear in one place, it's so fun to play aswell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7yiDiUz3gk

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Toffee on March 10, 2018, 05:00:19 am
Turns out the Russian troops in the Ukraine were actually just Ukrainians dressing up for fun
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on March 10, 2018, 01:55:02 pm
The hilarious thing about modern milsim guys is that they try and stick to the protocols and SOPs almost completely... which is completely contradictory if you want to get as close to actual military fighting as you can. Units pretty much keep the core of their business conform SOPs and invent the rest of it themselves.

And the milsim guys usually buy actual proper stuff. Which, if you want to get the experience, is also the opposite to go. Just buy the shittiest and cheapest stuff out there, and you're actually probably much closer.

That said, if you want to get into milsim easily just do Dutch Infantry... get the woodland camo pants from a surplus store, and the rifle you need, and you can pretty much buy whatever you want from then on. Dutch soldiers buy 80% of their shit themselves.
I have heard and seen people who only had the rifle they got from the army, and the rest they all bought themselves. From their boots to their helmets.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Zebaad on March 10, 2018, 03:47:44 pm
even if you hate those guys
Why would they hate each other? :p reenactment is 1/8 events, 3/8 creating, or repairing kit and 4/8 drinking together. I don't see a reason to hate 😂

you never met Duuring in rl right?
You make it sound like it would be a bad thing XD - No I haven't
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on March 10, 2018, 04:17:17 pm
I just saw that Milsim vid... the question "What the fuck are you doing"  popped into my head often.
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Post by: Vincenzo on March 10, 2018, 05:05:22 pm
I just saw that Milsim vid... the question "What the fuck are you doing"  popped into my head often.
Looks like nobody is afraid to die.. i suppose xD
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on March 10, 2018, 06:10:10 pm
I just saw that Milsim vid... the question "What the fuck are you doing"  popped into my head often.
Looks like nobody is afraid to die.. i suppose xD

Obviously, but you'll see that always when there's not actually someone shooting at you.

I mean, they're in the field. What the fuck is someone doing standing at parade rest? And why the fuck does he not carry his rifle with him? Both the officer and the guy weren't carrying any weapon...
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Piercee on March 10, 2018, 07:19:26 pm
Alot of people who play Milsim are actual veterans though and there's plenty of units that play that pretty much only consist of people who have served, they crave that extra bit of brotherhood and more serious play. To be fair alot of gear they have isn't expensive, multi-cam is one of the cheapest patterns to buy. 30 for a shirt maybe, 30 for combat pants. Vest can be pretty cheap, overall NATO gear is cheap as fuck. However, if you want realistic Russian gear it's gonna cost you a bit more since it actually has to come out of factories of Russia since it's produced there.

Also there's not enough actual Dutch situations to make the Dutch Milsim loadout viable, usually it's NATO v Opfor or RAF vs Rebels or such, depending on the country and the mission they currently want to play but NATO vs Russia is probably the most normal one.

Even though it's probably not the most realistic, it's still one of the closest experiences you can get to being in action considering if you fuck up in a squad full of veterans you are gonna get shouted at, they will tell you what to do and the environment is harsher, that's why alot of people don't like it.

I have been lucky to participate in a game of Milsim actually and I absolutely loved it, having vehicles and everything attached to it is amazing for both immersion and gameplay since you actually have something to either hold or attack with.

People are afraid to die but it's genuinly something that's iffy, like if you get shot by blanks there's a rule that you don't have to take the hit but it's pretty much a gentleman's thing to do, you do however instantly have to go to cover and pretend you were being shot at with BBs, but most just take the hit since it's more realistic.

And trust me, dying sucks there since people can loot your shit usually and you have to wait for a fucking medic to pick you up which can take ages since there's not really respawn zones.

Also the guy who was talking to the younger recruit was just talking outside out the game for second since the kid wanted to be a ranger and the guy talking was actually a ranger, so he was explaining what it was like since the kid wanted to sign up.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duke Of LongTree on March 10, 2018, 07:51:26 pm
just silly
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Zebaad on March 14, 2018, 09:53:05 pm
Does anyone know anywhere good to get custom cast buttons?
Silver or Brass, 12mm diameter with family crest cast onto surface.
Probably needing about 20 of them.

This is for non-combat 1450 reenactment
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on May 06, 2018, 05:24:46 pm
So, who of you is going to Quatre Bras?

If your group is not taking part in the march, but you want to do so anyway, I am offering that you take part with us. You do, however, have to also take part in the "battle" with us on Saturday, as we plan on arriving to the battlefield in marching order.

People from the 85e Dutch are not included in this offer. You either take part with them for the entirety of the event, or with us, can't do both.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on May 06, 2018, 11:36:09 pm
Who is going to QB anyway? It supposidly is a pretty big event.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on May 07, 2018, 12:02:27 pm
So, who of you is going to Quatre Bras?

If your group is not taking part in the march, but you want to do so anyway, I am offering that you take part with us. You do, however, have to also take part in the "battle" with us on Saturday, as we plan on arriving to the battlefield in marching order.

People from the 85e Dutch are not included in this offer. You either take part with them for the entirety of the event, or with us, can't do both.

We're not banding together? What happened?


Oh yes I am coming btw.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on May 07, 2018, 12:19:58 pm
Well, we thought the Dutch 85e and the German 85e were practically one group spread over two groups cos of legal mumbo-jumbo. I mean, the Dutch 85e shows all the Germans and Vlad on their facebook page as if they were members, they claim to have a WW1 impression while no Dutch 85e'ers actually do (they use our pictures), we would always do stuff together on events, and they even signed up Dutch people we got into the hobby (like yourself). We didn't mind, because it made sense legally. It never was a problem.

However, when I tried to become a member (because I need to get a gun licence), 85e suddenly said that 'I'm always with the Germans, who are a different group' and that I never came to their events, so they didn't feel like they should sign me up as a member. It's incredibly retarded because I actually tried to join the 85e a year or so ago already and they refused to accept me, and then they complain 'hey you're never with us'. Nevertheless, Sean said I should just send in registration papers and they'll look at it.

So I did. February 10th. It's now the 7th of may, and I haven't heard a single word from the 85e leadership. They have seemed to have vanished from the face of the earth. How long did it take them to accept your membership? Not three months, I suppose. So until we hear something, we assume that the Dutch 85e wants nothing to do with us. So we're joining up with a light infantry group.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Stasiulek on May 07, 2018, 03:13:17 pm
Is anyone going to Leipzig or Austerlitz this year?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on May 07, 2018, 04:25:43 pm
How long did it take them to accept your membership?

About two days... but mostly because Sean, Hans and Willem like me. And I dont involve myself in the political bullshit.

If you want I can gently poke around a bit with especially Sean. Just some feelers. I mean... It doesnt make sense that you cannot join the 85e. there's people who are already memebers who come to less events.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on May 07, 2018, 04:36:47 pm
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About two days... but mostly because Sean, Hans and Willem like me. And I dont involve myself in the political bullshit.

Of course. And that's exactly the bullshit, because it should not be dependent on whether you personally like someone. I don't know exactly what Sean has against me, though; he has neglected to inform me about anything. No e-mails, no facebook messages, no phone call. Nothing. All I know is what Christine told me.

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If you want I can gently poke around a bit with especially Sean. Just some feelers. I mean... It doesnt make sense that you cannot join the 85e. there's people who are already memebers who come to less events.

There are people who haven't been at events since years. It also doesn't negatively impact the 85e what-so-ever if I am a member or not. I already told Sean I do not wish to get involved in internal politics and would like the situation to remain as it is now, because (as Sean said himself) the current situation works for everybody. Trust me; if I could get a gun license by joining the German 85e, I would. But that's not an option. It's joining the Dutch 85e or leaving the hobby.

I can think of no other reason but that Sean just does not like me and feels that justifies the decision (or more precisely, a lack of any decision). And that's just childish and unprofessional - there's no other way around it. Maybe there are other reasons, but if I'm not informed on them, I can only draw my own conclusions. And the conclusion is that the Dutch 85e does not feel the need to help us (or other Dutch people who prefer to join us) out by an action that involves me paying membership fees (where are those membership fees going to, anyway?) and getting a document saying I'm a registered member. That's it.

Reminds me, we should also request they take down all photo's with us on it from their new site. Just to illustrate how retarded the split is.

One other thing; Riddlez, do you have any idea how many 85e people are going? Sean signed up a whooping 51 people, including 35 armed. But the Dutch 85e barely has enough depot to dress three recruits.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on May 07, 2018, 05:36:34 pm
If you ever want thge situation to calm the fuck down - which would be in everyone's best interest, not in the last place yours... if you ever want a firearm license - It would be best to not let this spiral out of control from your side. Right now you are just not in contact, let's not escalate it into war. There is already too much of that in Re-enactment.

What I heard is that they have 42 people coming to QB, and I got that update from Sean a week ago. I do not know how they're going to dress them... I suppose they have their own stuff.
And except for shoes, they can dress about 6 people from what I have noticed... So I hope they have a lot of people coming with their own shit.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on May 07, 2018, 05:51:39 pm
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And except for shoes, they can dress about 6 people from what I have noticed... So I hope they have a lot of people coming with their own shit.

The Dutch and German 85e have very different definitions of 'dressed' people, true.

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If you ever want thge situation to calm the fuck down - which would be in everyone's best interest, not in the last place yours... if you ever want a firearm license - It would be best to not let this spiral out of control from your side. Right now you are just not in contact, let's not escalate it into war. There is already too much of that in Re-enactment.

We don't feel we are escalating the situation, to be honest.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on May 07, 2018, 06:48:57 pm
It is quite simple. We will ask Sean whats up with the request while in Quatre Bras. If we get no response, i.e. he just wants us to withdraw the request, we no longer work together with them, if we get a "no" we also no longer work together with them.

There is no point in working together with them if they openly reject the idea of doing so legally.

So far, nothing escalated or anything. Casper simply asked for them to join and since then we have not heard anything back from them despite various reminders. I and casper have sent Sean, Sebastian and Truus various messages reminding them of the request. I have also posted in the closed Facebook group (That I AM a member of, but Casper is not?) about it.


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And except for shoes, they can dress about 6 people from what I have noticed... So I hope they have a lot of people coming with their own shit.

The Dutch and German 85e have very different definitions of 'dressed' people, true.


Yes, very true. Casper and I talked about it a few days ago, because we were wondering how they plan to equip all their new members. Then we realised that for them "dressed" means a pair of pants, a pokalem/bonnet/shako and a greatcoat/habit veste/gilet veste.

For us, it means that at the very least you can get a pair of more or less authentic shoes, leatherwork, greatcoat, bonnet/pokalem, shako, trousers, gun and preferably a backpack.
But I secured enough gear that this would only be necessary if I have to equip more than 6 guys. I can fully equip 6 guys, and the next 2 guys would only be missing a habit veste if I were to equip 8.
I have also exchanged some of the shitty gear with less shitty gear just recently, meaning I could potentially equip up to 12 people, if I did it the 85e style.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on May 07, 2018, 07:21:33 pm
Dressed in our 'comfortable' 1810 uniforms, of course.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Cara on May 07, 2018, 07:30:21 pm
Glad to see "reenactement politics" are the same everywhere...


For us, it means that at the very least you can get a pair of more or less authentic shoes, leatherwork, greatcoat, bonnet/pokalem, shako, trousers, gun and preferably a backpack.
But I secured enough gear that this would only be necessary if I have to equip more than 6 guys. I can fully equip 6 guys, and the next 2 guys would only be missing a habit veste if I were to equip 8.
I have also exchanged some of the shitty gear with less shitty gear just recently, meaning I could potentially equip up to 12 people, if I did it the 85e style.

Not the first time I ask you Olaf, but are you selling drugs ? Seems the only answer to all this investment capacity
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on May 07, 2018, 07:37:46 pm
Re-enactment politics is 99% people shitting on other people because they don't like them while claiming it's because of various other reasons.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vorposten on May 07, 2018, 08:02:26 pm
Is anyone going to Leipzig or Austerlitz this year?
I'm planning to go to Leipzig.

One video from my first event/battle this year (205th anniversary battle near Möckern, Magdeburg) from early April:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbFB_wanH3Y

It was small and the battle started slow, but it got better after the Prussians attacked the "village". And sadly I had to fought with the napoleonic site, because they weren't enough...  :-\
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on May 07, 2018, 08:39:08 pm
Glad to see "reenactement politics" are the same everywhere...


For us, it means that at the very least you can get a pair of more or less authentic shoes, leatherwork, greatcoat, bonnet/pokalem, shako, trousers, gun and preferably a backpack.
But I secured enough gear that this would only be necessary if I have to equip more than 6 guys. I can fully equip 6 guys, and the next 2 guys would only be missing a habit veste if I were to equip 8.
I have also exchanged some of the shitty gear with less shitty gear just recently, meaning I could potentially equip up to 12 people, if I did it the 85e style.

Not the first time I ask you Olaf, but are you selling drugs ? Seems the only answer to all this investment capacity

I am simply not throwing away/selling our old gear, so all the crappy stuff goes into the depot to loan to other people. And we are getting new gear ALL the time, because we are constantly trying to improve our impression. That also means that the depot gear to loan gets better and better.

But yeah, I got a bunch of stuff here... + some more stuff at other peoples places.

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To add to my previous post, the real point here is that we do not invite more people than we can equip, but the 85e Dutch are more than happy to invite anyone, even if they do not know if they can equip them.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duke Of LongTree on May 07, 2018, 09:17:16 pm
jesus olaf now i now where all that NW money went
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on May 08, 2018, 04:48:59 pm
What the fuck Olaf
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Wolff on May 08, 2018, 08:04:38 pm
de fucc Olaf
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Cara on May 09, 2018, 07:12:37 am
Glad to see "reenactement politics" are the same everywhere...


For us, it means that at the very least you can get a pair of more or less authentic shoes, leatherwork, greatcoat, bonnet/pokalem, shako, trousers, gun and preferably a backpack.
But I secured enough gear that this would only be necessary if I have to equip more than 6 guys. I can fully equip 6 guys, and the next 2 guys would only be missing a habit veste if I were to equip 8.
I have also exchanged some of the shitty gear with less shitty gear just recently, meaning I could potentially equip up to 12 people, if I did it the 85e style.

Not the first time I ask you Olaf, but are you selling drugs ? Seems the only answer to all this investment capacity

I am simply not throwing away/selling our old gear, so all the crappy stuff goes into the depot to loan to other people. And we are getting new gear ALL the time, because we are constantly trying to improve our impression. That also means that the depot gear to loan gets better and better.

But yeah, I got a bunch of stuff here... + some more stuff at other peoples places.

Spoiler
(https://abload.de/img/dsc05482yjo06.jpg)
(https://abload.de/img/dsc05485dkpsv.jpg)
(https://abload.de/img/dsc05484uwoqa.jpg)
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To add to my previous post, the real point here is that we do not invite more people than we can equip, but the 85e Dutch are more than happy to invite anyone, even if they do not know if they can equip them.

It's for the best for sure... I would love to have the money power for doing the same ! Impressive. I really need to join you for a ww1 event one day.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Stasiulek on May 09, 2018, 09:24:54 pm
But yeah, I got a bunch of stuff here... + some more stuff at other peoples places.

Spoiler
(https://abload.de/img/dsc05482yjo06.jpg)
(https://abload.de/img/dsc05485dkpsv.jpg)
(https://abload.de/img/dsc05484uwoqa.jpg)
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Omg! How much did you spend for all?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Stasiulek on May 10, 2018, 07:17:55 pm
I'm searching for any Legion du Danube uniforms pictures. Especially for any picture of its drummer. Does anyone have any pics like these?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on May 11, 2018, 12:18:33 pm
Join 33eme instead.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Stasiulek on May 11, 2018, 07:31:12 pm
Join 33eme instead.
What is 33eme? 12pp rules sry
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on May 11, 2018, 09:17:16 pm
So I asked a Christine and apparently only 3 poeple, myself included need to be dressed, so that solves that mystery
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on May 13, 2018, 02:41:27 pm
Also apparantly we were included in that number (there's just no logic here) so it will be 28 'men and women'. So I'm guessing 20 under arms including some non-firing guys. And I guess the Douane might also join them.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on May 13, 2018, 07:17:06 pm
And we are supposedly now joined by 23 light infantrymen, making our company 30 men strong.

Which is quite surprising.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on May 13, 2018, 07:29:03 pm
I think it's fair to say we are joining the twenty-three light infantrymen making their company thirty men strong.

Looks like it's going to be a good event. Can't wait to wear the new greatcoats.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: zac on May 14, 2018, 08:46:05 am
de fucc Olaf
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on May 23, 2018, 11:21:44 am
So I guess that we and the Dutch 85e now officially split. Not that they seem to care in the least, which I suppose only shows it was bound to happen sooner or later. The whole situation is just retarded and could have so easily be avoided.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on May 23, 2018, 01:55:19 pm
Apparently Alexander isn't that content with it either
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on May 23, 2018, 02:55:46 pm
Well Sean clearly insulted us in Quatre Bras, but we had no ability to do anything similar back, because anything we say or do would be held against us, anything he does just ignored. And sure enough, just leaving the discussion to avoid further escalation was held against us and perceived as "childish" but calling Casper asshole was not. RIGHT.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on May 23, 2018, 07:50:42 pm
Apparently Alexander isn't that content with it either

He's not a member of the Dutch 85e though.

Some context: When I applied for membership a year ago, some members told the then-chair they didn't me to join. When I asked the chairman who these people were, he said they didn't want me know. I called this childish behavior: You're badmouthing someone behind their back and actively blocking his membership, yet refuse to talk an adult conversation about this or even to publically state who you are. It's almost internet trolling. There is no other way to describe this behavior then as childish. During our QB talk, Sean again referred to this statement. Apparantly, calling someone childish is the equalivent of cursing someone to the 10th generation.

Well Sean clearly insulted us in Quatre Bras, but we had no ability to do anything similar back, because anything we say or do would be held against us, anything he does just ignored. And sure enough, just leaving the discussion to avoid further escalation was held against us and perceived as "childish" but calling Casper asshole was not. RIGHT.

Everything in the conversation pissed me off. Sean's complete lack of consistency. The fact he couldn't name any examples and then stating he doesn't have to list any examples. Saying 'my tone' was wrong because I spoke slightly agited. The fact that after 3.5 months of absolutely zero outreach, he still asked if we 'couldn't discuss this tomorrow'. Sean so clearly didn't care about reaching any kind of compromise, and then just insulted me and the German 85e. And I when I walk away to calm down, again, this is used against me.

Seriously, if there ever was a time to reach a compromise, it was right there. And Sean chose the full offensive. If he so desperately wants a split on bad terms, I guess we have no choice but to oblidge him.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on May 23, 2018, 11:40:06 pm
Can we please keep our cool and not lose ourselves in the bad feelings?

I really do not try and speak for the Dutch 85e, I feel as much involved with you guys as with them, maybe overreach of mine with your group. It really feels to me that Sean is acting like a lone wolf on this one and he really doesn't have the support of the 85e. I have ehard nobody about it anyway.

Literally the only thing people say about you that is negative is that you are sometimes a bit careless, like litter around the place and not cleaning your rifles. For the rest I have never heard about any significant problems.
I'll gently bring this up at Bourtange in two weeks. I really don't like getting into politics about this inter-group pettiness but this is shit I care about. I had hoped everything could be a little more mature (not pointing fingers here, before people feel offended) about all this. Apparently not.



Indeed Willy is not from Dutch 85e but he is someone who holds significant sway in the Dutch 85e.


And as I said, but omitted to say clearly, I hope I may be amongst the people who could still do events with you in the future if you guys would want me.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on May 24, 2018, 12:03:01 am
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It really feels to me that Sean is acting like a lone wolf on this one and he really doesn't have the support of the 85e. I have ehard nobody about it anyway.
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So do we, yet at the same time nobody seems to mind. Besides, he is an elected board member so he does have the mandate. In the last two days we have all sorts of different reasons for the decision not to grant me membership. At this point, I don't even know what to believe or who to trust.
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I had hoped everything could be a little more mature

I get what it looks like, but trust me that we have tried everything. I don't see how we could have been any more mature.

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I'll gently bring this up at Bourtange in two weeks

Apparantly the latest plan is to 'talk around the campfire' at Bourtange. Somehow, it still hasn't dawn on the Dutch 85e that the decision has already been taken. We're not coming back.

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And as I said, but omitted to say clearly, I hope I may be amongst the people who could still do events with you in the future if you guys would want me

Of course.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on May 24, 2018, 12:23:04 am
I still strongly disagree with this kind of conduct, which I will bring up to Sean and the rest of the 85e. This shit cannot just fly
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on May 24, 2018, 12:29:49 am
Just don't get Casperized.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on May 24, 2018, 12:39:52 am
Sean will just cross his arms an with his entire body posture say "NO" Talking to him will yield nothing.

Besides, after Christine suggested talking around the campfire about the whole thing, I told her that this will only happen if there is a chance for Casper to become a member. She did not directly say "No", but she tried to talk around it.
I think she still thinks that we will somehow accept the fact that Casper will not become a member and work together with them again.

What she forgets is that there is absolutely NOTHING to be gained from a cooperation at this point. The 85th does completely different style of reenactment compare to us. And since they clearly do not want to change their drill to something more authentic, there is nothing to be gained from them. I am surely not going to do something wrong if I know it is. I said it some time ago, if I ever participate with a unit that does something wrong (and I am noticing it) I will tell them, wether they like it or not. If they do not change it, I will simply leave, I am no longer going to accept doing stuff wrong for the sake of forming a larger unit.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: zac on May 24, 2018, 01:09:11 pm
As we've discovered down under, sometimes it is for the best for all involved just to give up trying to find an amicable solution. We have had, and are currently having, a similar split within the scene here. Primarily (like your 85e project) being led by the youth. We've tried working within the established command here but it has just proved hopeless....I mean just as an example my British unit did a weird combination of 1764 and Australian army drill since the 1970's. We raised this as an issue a number of years ago and to this day the proper drill has not been implemented...meanwhile a bunch of us just went ahead and did our own thing within the unit..ordering what is probably the first batch of Kochan & Phillips wool to ever enter the country and we constructed our own Coatee's. It's hard, as no doubt you guys are experiencing, but it's better to know your doing something right. You're fighting against a very 'comfortable, petty and well established' system after all.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on May 24, 2018, 05:16:13 pm
Your remark on drill reminds me that there is actually plenty to complain about over the Dutch 85e. Wrong drill, fantasy uniforms and bad firearms drill. Too often we see new Dutch 85ers doing the incredibly dangerous 'lean-back' when firing their guns. We actually adressed this, and recieved a whole list of angry remarks from Sean.

DAYDRINKING!!!!1
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on May 24, 2018, 05:41:19 pm
Weird. I never get those kinds of remarks.

It's weird in the few events that I have been with the 85e they come across as a very amicable and safety-oriented group...
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Wolff on May 24, 2018, 05:58:05 pm
Sad story. Will still portray the 85e or change the regiment/ or Bataillon within the regiment to mark the split?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on May 24, 2018, 09:35:33 pm
Please, why would we change. We will stay the 85eme.

As we've discovered down under, sometimes it is for the best for all involved just to give up trying to find an amicable solution. We have had, and are currently having, a similar split within the scene here. Primarily (like your 85e project) being led by the youth. We've tried working within the established command here but it has just proved hopeless....I mean just as an example my British unit did a weird combination of 1764 and Australian army drill since the 1970's. We raised this as an issue a number of years ago and to this day the proper drill has not been implemented...meanwhile a bunch of us just went ahead and did our own thing within the unit..ordering what is probably the first batch of Kochan & Phillips wool to ever enter the country and we constructed our own Coatee's. It's hard, as no doubt you guys are experiencing, but it's better to know your doing something right. You're fighting against a very 'comfortable, petty and well established' system after all.

Best of luck with your project, I feel we have the exact same situation over here. Old established groups not wanting to change, because it is, like you said "comfortable"
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duke Of LongTree on May 24, 2018, 10:05:11 pm
mainstream vs campaigner struggles be world wide 
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Wolff on May 24, 2018, 11:14:08 pm
Please, why would we change. We will stay the 85eme.

well I have seen this serveral times in the hobby. As a consequence of anger groups didn't want to be mixed up with each other because of the same unit the portray. I think this is idotic but it happens. In Germany there are even two groups who portray the same unit but use a different button colour to differentiate from eachother - one group of course has the wrong buttons now  ::)
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on May 24, 2018, 11:31:18 pm
Unnecessary, we are already looking quite different. Spot who is who!

(https://abload.de/img/28516841_187743661588nfpa3.jpg)
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on May 25, 2018, 12:14:57 am
Lower your god damn arm Casper
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on May 25, 2018, 01:24:11 am
I knew it would be held against him, but I had no other photo like this.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duke Of LongTree on May 25, 2018, 06:17:02 am
Unnecessary, we are already looking quite different. Spot who is who!

(https://abload.de/img/28516841_187743661588nfpa3.jpg)

Lol Battle of the back yard vs marching to Moscow
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on May 25, 2018, 09:26:52 am
So what causes the difference? I guess Sean usus bleached cotton?

Well and they actually wash it
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: zac on May 25, 2018, 10:03:00 am
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Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on May 25, 2018, 11:02:42 am
We wash our linnen. But linnen isn't white. And in fact, the regulations specifically say the cloth must be grey', not white. So not just the fabric is wrong, so is the colour. 'It will get dirty', 'I just wash mine' and 'it's also correct' are just excuses.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on May 25, 2018, 12:14:05 pm
Yeah do you have a set of (possibly translated) uniform manuals for me? Like in a digital file... I am going to have to start thinking about getting my own shit in the near future...

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If that is you interpreting my remarks as hostile towards Casper you're wrong. I know next to nothing about the entire hobby and I am starting to feel like I am lagging behind.
In that regard it is more interesting to hang out with guys like Hans and Caspar and Olaf considering they have a little more knowledge about the whole thing.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on May 25, 2018, 12:20:23 pm
Yeah, I do wash the linen trousers from time to time. Not after every even though, as that would be silly. But once or twice a year.

They are over trousers anyway, they are not official regulation issue for the time we portray. I.e. they are used to protect the real woolen breeches.
This is also the reason why they are so wide cut, they are supposed to fit another pair of trousers and gaiters underneath.

For the timeframe the 85e is potraying, their trousers are completely wrong though. For a Bardin Regulation impression 1813/14-15 you should either have long woolen trousers made out of tricot wool, or long linen trousers.
Their trousers are made from cotton and are high bleached.

Also cleaning your trousers would not have happened on campaign. They would have cleaned it from time to time, but really, people had better stuff to do than to care for their trousers.
Yes, on Garrison your trousers were expected to be clean, so was everything else. You were even expected to keep all your issued stuff (Can you imagine??) Anything that was missing had to be purchased back from your own money.

On campaign this is completely different. There are dozens of reports of soldiers throwing away half of their issued gear and instead opting for their own. They simply had no use for it. Officers during campaign usually did not care much about it, they completely accepted it. This goes even as far as regimental commanders supplying whole batches of shako-covers, catridgebox-covers, canteen-covers and overtrousers to the entire regiment.

The reason why Bardin opted for long trousers and shorter gaiters in 1812 was mainly due to the fact that he and everyone else knew that ordering breeches and long gaiters was a waste of money. People would just throw them away.

And linen trousers can look white when they are new, depending on what type of linen was used. Caspers new trousers for example are very grey, and will never look very close to a bright white. My trousers for example are fairly different.
Look at this photo from the first event I wore my new linen trousers:
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They look pretty white, right? Still, this is nothing compared to those white cotton trousers everyone is wearing.
Oh btw. the grenadier on the left is wearing those long wool trousers that I was talking about earlier.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on May 25, 2018, 12:25:25 pm
Double post galore!

Yeah do you have a set of (possibly translated) uniform manuals for me? Like in a digital file... I am going to have to start thinking about getting my own shit in the near future...

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If that is you interpreting my remarks as hostile towards Casper you're wrong. I know next to nothing about the entire hobby and I am starting to feel like I am lagging behind.
In that regard it is more interesting to hang out with guys like Hans and Caspar and Olaf considering they have a little more knowledge about the whole thing.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1FhAmcYAlvqZ_YbntLpEbc9Wp-4eIWVsM

The 1812 Regulations are in there.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on May 25, 2018, 12:25:40 pm
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There are dozens of reports of soldiers throwing away half of their issued gear and instead opting for their own

200 years and nothing has changed XD



EDIT: oh sweet thank youu
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on May 25, 2018, 12:28:48 pm
Also, for your general informaiton, this guy does a 1812 impression and he has almost everything spot on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfsDL13Ua7E&feature=youtu.be

He has a part1 and part2, both are well made.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: zac on May 25, 2018, 12:34:58 pm
Yeah do you have a set of (possibly translated) uniform manuals for me? Like in a digital file... I am going to have to start thinking about getting my own shit in the near future...

(https://i.imgur.com/c64safl.gif)
If that is you interpreting my remarks as hostile towards Casper you're wrong. I know next to nothing about the entire hobby and I am starting to feel like I am lagging behind.
In that regard it is more interesting to hang out with guys like Hans and Caspar and Olaf considering they have a little more knowledge about the whole thing.

I assure you it was entirely sarcastic haha, apologies if it was misinterpreted as otherwise. My french unit down here is part of the 21e so I am well aware of how dear Casper etc can come across <3 :') . And all good, i've been in the Napoleonic scene down here for over 10 years now and many ignore people like Capser, Olaf etc ,so it's good that you're all talking as they know there stuff :)
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on May 25, 2018, 01:23:29 pm
For the timeframe the 85e is potraying, their trousers are completely wrong though. For a Bardin Regulation impression 1813/14-15 you should either have long woolen trousers made out of tricot wool, or long linen trousers.
Their trousers are made from cotton and are high bleached.

Out of curiosity, do have any recommendations on where to get the correct linen trousers? Most suppliers I know of in the Netherlands and Germany can only get me cotton ones.

To play the devil's advocate a bit, a lot of people walk around with incorrect gear not because they don't care, but because they don't know any better. A lot of Reenactment units (and this goes for almost every unit not just the 85e) are really vague on what you need to get and from where. You get general directions and thats it, or even worse information that is so old its no longer useable (happened to me, I was instructed to buy a bicorne off a place that stopped making them years ago). The result is most people just buying things blindly and hoping its alright. When I joined the Equipage I was barely given instructions on what types of gear were acceptable and what where not. The result is that my trousers are also cotton because I was directed to buy 'white trousers' from Cooper's Choice and naturally he made me a pair of the cheapest and most common fabric he could find, because he didn't get any other instructions.

You could argue people should do their research better. Yeah, they could. But the reality is, is that some people have busy jobs. Working 9 to 5 every day in the week and having young kids means you don't always get time to do your own research and find the rights texts that instruct you on what gear to get. That's the point where the unit's main researcher (c'mon, every unit has one of those, most of us here are probbaly that guy) should step in and help people out. But often they don't, for whatever reason.

Reenactment would be improved a lot if people helped each other more to get started. Because way too often, people that just started out are completely lost and overwhelmed and sadly make the wrong decisions in those situations.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on May 25, 2018, 01:37:42 pm
It is these kinds of conversations that really help a guy like me.... thankfully I apparently know the right people here.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on May 25, 2018, 03:34:30 pm
The problem is that some groups, when faced with the fact they do something wrong, tend to do just double-down. It's very little trouble ordering linnen instead of cotton, and even if you get a trouser made you can instruct your tailor you will purchase the fabric yourself. You're the customer. Coopers Choice is retardly expensive though.

I think it's also fair to say, and I mean no disrespect by this, that the equipage has fairly low authenticty standards in regards to their marines. I'm not surprised nobody told you what to get because I don't think anyone really cares.

It is these kinds of conversations that really help a guy like me.... thankfully I apparently know the right people here.

The thing is that Nico and me love to help people. Like, Nico was the person buying all the 85e buttons for the Dutch 85e (I think even for Joeri's coat?). But when people don't care... What can you do?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: zac on May 25, 2018, 03:56:14 pm
Someone mentioned cotton??  8)

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Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on May 25, 2018, 04:06:13 pm
Coopers Choice is retardly expensive though.

He's not that expensive. About the same prices as every other retailer that sells Paki premade stuff. His custom tailored stuff is also fine, it's more that he tends to take forever to finish an order and has a tendency to get measurements wrong.

I think it's also fair to say, and I mean no disrespect by this, that the equipage has fairly low authenticty standards in regards to their marines. I'm not surprised nobody told you what to get because I don't think anyone really cares.
It has improved the past few years but yes, it was really bad around the time I joined. For a while now, me and a few others have been pushing for more authenticity and we made some progress. I was the first to buy the correct model bicorne that we should have (although I still think it isn't perfect and I want to replace it with something even better, it's still vastly better than what we had) and got other members to join on that. Everyone finally has the correct black leather crossbelts for the 1806-1810 impression and are currently in the process of discovering if we should also use black for the 1790s kit, which we do highly suspect was the case. On top of that, I am slowly ditching my breadbag during battles and seeing where we can get some correct buttons made.

We're improving but yeah, we're not exactly employing high standards when it comes to authenticity.

Like, Nico was the person buying all the 85e buttons for the Dutch 85e (I think even for Joeri's coat?)
Correct, I received my habit-veste aout two weeks ago and have fitted Nico's correct buttons on it.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on May 25, 2018, 08:50:22 pm
I didn't see your question about the linnen for trousers. Of course we can help you, it's actually pretty easy.

Same goes for you, of course, Riddlez. Don't believe any stories you might hear about linnen. It's not harder to clean, it's not uncomfortable and it's not significantly more expensive.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: zac on May 26, 2018, 06:44:49 am
As someone who just finished sewing four gaitered trousers (or overalls as yanks call them), I can confirm that linen is not only very comfortable (especially for warmer climates), but also very easy to sew yourself should you go down that path.

Although Duuring etc can probably push you in the right direction of where to get stuff, I can highly suggest http://www.wmboothdraper.com/Linen/indexwithnav.html?linens_index.html for accurate linen, although you guys can probably find local sources....us poor Aussies have to import everything :')
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on May 26, 2018, 03:23:34 pm
Okay, now that I actually have some time, let me write a longer post om authenticity, research and group standards.

Re-enactors re-enact a period. As we tell visitors, we try to re-create the period as close as possible. The big question is why we try to do so. To me, it is for personal experience. I want to know what life felt like back then, and thus everything needs to be as close as possible. And yes, having your cloths out of correct fabric makes a difference.

This, to me, is also what make the hobby fun. We are constantly challenging ourselves. Not just by not using tents and eating historical food, but also be always being on the look-out for things to improve the impression. When it stops being challenging, it stops being fun. Oh, sure, the social and outdoors aspect of the hobby keeps a lot of people in. But it's no surprise lots of people move from Napoleonic to WW2. To give an example, when Nico and me decided we wanted to get gloves, we spend three days looking at historical paintings, descriptions and orders before we decides not to go with the widely-used half-fingers black gloves everybody uses, but instead opted for civilian mittens. There is very little evidence and no images that the half-finger gloves were actually used. If they were, they were also much longer, covering the whole lower arm, and probably made out of grey wool.

So why, if you ask 85e people, will they probably tell you the black gloves are correct? They might do so because they simply think it is. Yet if you tell them, they are very unlikely to accept this. They will be very critical, demanding all your sources and concluding that you actually don't know for sure. Yet I can assure you they never were this critical when buying the black gloves. They don't want to buy new stuff, so they will simply refuse to believe your research. What's worse, they will also tell new people to get the same, probably incorrect gloves.

Of course, it's a silly example, but it is true and it shows group dynamic. They can lift standards, or they lock them down. And of course, sometimes people just really don't care and actively oppose improving the impression because it will also force them to admit they're wrong and buy new stuff. Sean is like that. He buys himself a fantasy model bonnet de police, yet tells a new member it's not authentic to wear an 1810 uniform (although it is). What is authentic or not is dependent on what he wants. If you tell him you want the old uniform, and he will tell it's not authentic or that it 'ruins the image', while continueing to wear his silly fantasy bonnet de police. It's impossible to work with hom, because at the end of the day, he doesn't care. Same goes for drill. We adressed it, we translated the instructions, hell, Nico made a whole guidebook with drawinggs and everything. Sean's reaction is to be pissed off, complain about us and then forget everything we teach him.

There's nothing more annoying then this arbitrary criticism. I was talking to two 85e members who used like 8 sheepskins as blanket. Now, they are obviously mainstreamers, and I respect that. When I asked in good humour where they would keep it on the march, they joked about just butchering a whole herd of sheep every night. We laughed, and then I told them about the large sheepskin covers WW1 soldiers used for guard duty. Then suddenly Hans came up and asked me if that was a regulation item. Somewhat confused, I replied I actually didn't know. Hans then told me it proves that soldiers didn't always get what was regulated. It's the favorite mainstreamer excuse whenever they are faced with a piece of research they don't like. But it completely misses the point. We use drawings and descriptions as much as we use regulations.

Soldiers can only keep what they can carry. They got rid of things. And when you re-enact on that principle, re-enactment actually becomes much easier. Suddenly, you can transport 5 people in a car. Suddenly, you don't need to spend money on tents, plastic covers and chairs. You become more dependent on eachother, yes, but that too makes it more fun. Your squad becomes not just people you hang out with, but people you live with.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: zac on May 26, 2018, 04:23:20 pm
Well said.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on May 27, 2018, 06:13:25 pm
Hans then told me it proves that soldiers didn't always get what was regulated. It's the favorite mainstreamer excuse whenever they are faced with a piece of research they don't like. But it completely misses the point. We use drawings and descriptions as much as we use regulations.\


Well to be fair, if you use period-accurate materials... why not improvise stuff... it could be little stuff, just to make things easier. I agree it shouldn't be stuff that actually alters your appearence much... but stuff to use in-camp.... why not? Provided you'd be able to carry it with you, off course...


While I do respect your hardcore approach to re-enactment, I do not wish to go into such detail myself.... obviously, the uniform I'd want to wear would have to be... well as dead-on as i could get it, but for staying in camp? I have been cold outside in camp myself, I have felt what it is to have been given too little food and sleep (usually at the same time)... so that is not something I'd wish to take to my hobby just yet... though I truly understand the appeal don't get me wrong.

As for food.... I guess I am just too fit to be a 19th century soldier.... I need the food, as you guys noticed =P.
I wouldn't mind to go a little bit more hardcore for some events, but for me that would have to be events where I actually have the material to make it not-loevestijn for myself. Liek being able to dig, get wood, make shelter. And not in the freezing cold of Dutch winter, in the wind, right next to water, and below sea level =P
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on May 27, 2018, 07:08:06 pm

Well to be fair, if you use period-accurate materials... why not improvise stuff... it could be little stuff, just to make things easier. I agree it shouldn't be stuff that actually alters your appearence much... but stuff to use in-camp.... why not? Provided you'd be able to carry it with you, off course...


Well, no. Soldiers could carry almost nothing in addition to their issued equipment and rations. They sometimes made or purchased scarfs, cups and pipes, and we know soldiers would go to great lenghts saving their plunderware. It's besides the point, though. Nobody was seriously claiming soldiers had large blankets made out of eight sheepskins.

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While I do respect your hardcore approach to re-enactment, I do not wish to go into such detail myself.... obviously, the uniform I'd want to wear would have to be... well as dead-on as i could get it, but for staying in camp? I have been cold outside in camp myself, I have felt what it is to have been given too little food and sleep (usually at the same time)... so that is not something I'd wish to take to my hobby just yet... though I truly understand the appeal don't get me wrong.

As for food.... I guess I am just too fit to be a 19th century soldier.... I need the food, as you guys noticed =P.
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We don't exactly starve on period food. We had steaks at Quatre-Bras, and I'm yet to actually eat all my rations. And as for sleep; the people telling me they need their tents and modern sleeping bag because 'I need a good sleep' are the same people who go drinking until 3 am in the morning and keep us awake with their singing. In a similair situation, the Dutch 85e was getting drunk on gluhwein at Archeon while expressing their disbelieve how we can sleep outside.

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I wouldn't mind to go a little bit more hardcore for some events, but for me that would have to be events where I actually have the material to make it not-loevestijn for myself. Liek being able to dig, get wood, make shelter. And not in the freezing cold of Dutch winter, in the wind, right next to water, and below sea level =P
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Progressive re-enactors need to be smart, yes. There is some trial and error process, but again, that's the challenge. I get that there's less appeal for someone in your line of profession, of course.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on May 27, 2018, 08:11:26 pm

Well, no. Soldiers could carry almost nothing in addition to their issued equipment and rations. They sometimes made or purchased scarfs, cups and pipes, and we know soldiers would go to great lenghts saving their plunderware. It's besides the point, though. Nobody was seriously claiming soldiers had large blankets made out of eight sheepskins.

I know, that's what I meant. Small stuff, improvements of what was issued, replaceables... not actually stuff extra if you can't carry it.



'I need a good sleep' are the same people who go drinking until 3 am in the morning and keep us awake with their singing.

You're overgeneralising. I really appreciate my sleep time (not that I need it though) and you won't ever see me drunk on an event.... too much.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on May 27, 2018, 08:16:04 pm
We are day drinkers though. We always drink so much alcohol that all our alcohol is gone on the first day. (If you don't get it, we usually do not bring any) #screwsean


Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on May 27, 2018, 08:57:30 pm
But that's the thing, Riddlez. I never argued they didn't carry non-issued items. But too often it's just used as an excuse to do whatever you want. Or it's just to discredit our research.

And yes, I'm generalizing, but it shows the irony of the whole thing.

DAYDRINKERSSSSS
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on May 27, 2018, 09:27:11 pm
But that's the thing, Riddlez. I never argued they didn't carry non-issued items. But too often it's just used as an excuse to do whatever you want.

One would wonder where such feelings would come from...

And no, I didn't mean to put words into your mouth... I get we have a slightly different take on how far authenticity should go, but still, if you compare the 85e with other groups... are they truly that bad?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on May 27, 2018, 10:52:13 pm
Regardless of my answer to that, the question itself is irrelevant.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on May 27, 2018, 11:22:45 pm
I always had the feeling that the 85e is slightly better than most other mainstreamer units.

But recently, since about half a year I have the feeling that they are getting increasingly worse. Maybe it is just me realizing that most of what they do is wrong, or they are actually getting worse. It would fit, since Sean is pretty much in charge of the whole thing.
Maybe it is both. It wouldn't surprise me.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on May 27, 2018, 11:46:46 pm
Just out of curiosity, what about the drill are they doing wrong?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on May 28, 2018, 12:37:42 am
Give us any video of the 85e drilling and we'll explain.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on May 28, 2018, 01:32:15 am
Don't you worry. I am already on it. But it takes time.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on May 28, 2018, 03:21:36 am
Just out of curiosity, what about the drill are they doing wrong?

Difficult to tell, it is many things.

Just a recent example, here is a video of them doing "Battalion Drill" let me try to break it down. Some side info first though. This "Battalion" was apparently formed from 3 different groups, the 85e (To the right of the "battalion") the 45e (center) and the 21e (left)

As a headsup, most if not all of the drawings below assume that the Peleton is acting on its own and therefore the left guide is at the left side of the company. That would not be the case for most companies in a battalion. The guide would be behind the line, as he would not be necessary. Only the left guide of the leftmoste company would be necessary. 

Some explanations on the wording I am going to use.
Company = Peleton
Section = Section
Chef de Battalion = Battalion Commander
Chef de Peleton = Company Commander
Chef de Section = Section Commander
Guide de droite = Right Guide
Guide de gauche = Left Guide

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So it starts with the "Battalion" in what I believe is in order of battle charging bayonet, moving forward. First thing to notice is that half of the guys are not holding their guns correctly.

Next thing you will notice is their weird setup. It makes absolutely no sense. They seem to be a brigadebattalionpeleton Which obviously never existed. 

Originally battalions were made out of 8 Fusilier and 1 Grenadier company (1791-1808) and later from 4 Fusilier, 1 Grenadier and 1 Voltigeur company. Since the event was supposed to take place in 1815, we should assume that the battalion should ideally use the newer system (1808-15). There are 2 different ways to compose a battalion and we have no real information on which system was used by which regiment. However, it is widely accepted that the Heffemeyer System was more widely used.
In the Heffemeyer system, the 1st battalion would be formed like this:

Voltigeurs (6th Company) - 2nd Fusiliers (5th Company) - 4th Fusiliers (4th Company) - 1st Fusiliers (3rd Company) - 3rd Fusiliers (2nd Company) - Grenadiers (1st Company)

The 6th and 5th company would form the 3rd Division, the 4th and 3rd Company the 2nd Divison, the 2nd and 1st Company the 1st Divison. All sections (with a small exception) and therefore all companies would be equalized to have the exact same number of files. This is extremely important as it otherwise would mess up the alignment when doing certain maneuvers.
The eagle (The 1st Battalion has only one) would be placed in the 2nd section of the 1st Fusiliers, making that section unusually large. Unlike all other sections, it would not be equalized to make it the same size as all other sections. The section would be larger than any of the other sections. This is done to make sure that the Eagle is in the perfect center of the battalion. If the sections were equalized, it would not be in the center. It is important to place the eagle in the center, as it is the center guide and extremely important for most maneuvers.

If you want a more detailed drawing depicting everything here is one I made a while ago for myself. It is in German though, and it contains various spelling mistakes + its not very pretty, but maybe it helps:
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Now that you know this, how is the "Battalion" in the video composed?
It seems like the "Battalion" is made out of 3 Companies like this:

21e - 45e - 85e

It is a bit difficult to see, but I believe the companies are composed as following (Including guides etc.): 85e: 8 files , 45e: 12 files, 21e: 6 files. Their companies are not equalized, therefore their sections are not equalized either.
I talked about this before, but for reenactment purposes, I think we can make company compositions slightly smaller. However there is still a certain number of ranks that NEED to be filled in order to do anything in a proper manner.

For each company that would be:
Chef de Peleton
Chef de 2e Section
Guide de droite
Guide de gauche

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Additionally for a reenactment battalion you would also need one Chef de battalion.

So, looking at the video I see the following setup:
85e:
Chef de Peleton - 0
Chef de 2e Section - 0
Guide de droite - 0
Guide de gauche -1

45e:
Chef de Peleton - 1
Chef de 2e Section - 0
Guide de droite - 0
Guide de gauche -1

21e:
Chef de Peleton - 0
Chef de 2e Section - 0
Guide de droite - 0
Guide de gauche -1

Battalion:
Chef de Battalion - 1
Eagle - 2

So, there is a severe lack of ranks in this battalion.

Additionally there seems to be a problem with the placement of troops. Both the 21 and the 85e seem to be carrying an eagle, additionally it seems to be at different positions in their companies, the 85e has their eagle center right, while the 21e seems to have their eagle on the very right side. The left guide of the 85e is at the left side of his peleton, which makes no sense. In a battalion, only the left guide of the leftmost company is on the left side. All other left guides are behind their sections leftmost file as file closer, 2 steps behind the rear-rank. The chef de peleton of the 45e seems to be in the correct position. The left guide of the 45e is on the same position as the guide of the 85e, therefore he is wrong. The left guide of the 21e is behind the rear rank as file closer. the 21e is
the leftmost company, therefore he is the left guide of the entire battalion, he should be on the left side of his last file, not behind the rear rank. The drummers seem to be placed at random. They should be in the left center of the Battalion, 15 steps behind the file closers, i.e. 17 steps behind the rear-rank. I am going to ignore the placement of the Chef de Battalion for now, as it is a drill.

So, as you can see, pretty much anything you can do wrong is done wrong.

The logical thing to do would have been the following:
- Assume that we are a downsized battalion consisting of only the 1st and 4th Fusiliers, i.e. 3rd and 4th Company. i.e. the 2nd Divison.
- Drop one of the eagles. Drop the eagle guards, we are such a small battalion, we have no use for them in this reenactment scenario.
- Equalize both companies as following: The Chef de Battalion stays Chef de Battalion. The 21e drops their Eagle, their Eagle carrier becomes Chef of the 4th Company. The 85e keeps their eagle and is placed as the leftmost file of the 2nd section of the 3rd company. The chef of the 45e becomes Chef of the 3rd company. One of the caporals of the 85e becomes left guide of the 3rd company, the left guide of the 45e becomes right guide of the 4th company. The left guide of the 21e becomes Chef de 2e Section of the 4th Company. The left guide of the 85e becomes Chef de 2e Section of the 3rd Company. Another corporal of the 85e becomes Right guide of the 3rd Company. We now have EXACTLY 38 privates remaining. 10 files go into each company, with one of the files being just 1 man (sadly we are missing 2 guys :(. Ideally placing all remaining corporals at the flanks. The drummers go 17 steps behind the center rear rank of the 5th Company.

Now each company and each section has the same number of files (Ignoring the obviously 1 file larger 2nd section of the 3rd Company) and the eagle is in the perfect center. Each company has a right and left guide, each section has a chef and each company has a chef a swell.

It would look exactly like this:
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(https://abload.de/img/peletonorderofbattlen2rqon.jpg)
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Tbh. the holes in the first sections look kinda sad, but there is nothing we can do about it. It will still work just fine anyway, and that is what we need to care about.

On to the next scene.
In this scene they seem to be facing the other direction, probably having turned around just a few seconds earlier. For some reason however, the drummers and file closers seem to be "behind" i.e. in front of the line. This makes no sense.
There is a reason something like "Contre Marche" exists. Reference here:
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You can not walk backwards very far, as that would mess up your whole battalion. Everyone would be standing on the wrong flank and the rear rank would be the new front rank, which would not work. You can turn around 180 degrees, but the manual clearly states that this shall not be done for more than 40 steps. It is both difficult to keep the line (also because the eagle would be standing int he rear rank) and it turns your entire battalion around and inverses it.

Reason is quite simple. First of all, ALL the file closers, musicians, officers, and sappeurs would have to march around the entire line to get back into their now inverted positions. 2nd of all, unless in extrem situation, you would never shoot with the rear rank being in the front. Reason for that is that originally the French were supposed to fight in 3 ranks. The tallest guys would be in the front rank, the smallest guys in the 2nd rank and the guys in between in the rear rank. When firing, the front rank would crouch down, while the other 2 ranks would continue standing straight. If you think about it, this makes sense. You have all the tall guys in the front, which looks impressive, but since they are kneeling down when firing, the small guys can easily fire over their shoulders, and since the medium guys are taller than the small guys, they can also easily fire over their shoulders. Turning this around is ofc possible, but it would be more difficult and more dangerous, as it was assumed that you would only do so in extreme situations.

To be clear, there is a order that allows the rear rank to turn around and fire. But in this case, the order was not given. "feu en arrière, demi-tour droit"

So, whatever they are doing is clearly wrong. You can also hear them shouting "align to the center" or something along the lines, which obviously is kinda difficult if your eagle is not in the center. THAT'S WHY YOU PLACE IT IN THE CENTER.
They then proceed to do another 180 degree turn, and all the file closers and drummers return to their actual position... Another thing is, no one is repeating the orders. I guess this makes sense, as two of the Companys have no Company Commander and the one that does just does not seem to care. This makes no sense. In reality the Chefs de Peleton were supposed to repeat the orders, and the soldiers would listen to the Chef de Peleton. This makes sense, if you think about it. from 1791 - 1808 battalions were composed out of NINE companies. Do you seriously think you can hear a single guy? Not really.

Next up, the battalion is supposed to form into a column of sections. Of SECTIONS. Not Companies. SECTIONS. Do you see what they do next? the 85e and the 21 wheel by company, the 45e wheels by sections. This makes sense if you think about it. They are missing almost all of the Chef de Section and a significant number of guides. Their sections are also all of different frontage. There is no way they could have wheeled in sections, so they proceed to do so in companies instead.
But lets just give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that they did it correct (lol).

Here is how you would do it in reality, on a company basis:
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You see what they did wrong here?
First of all, none of the Chef de Section move in front of their section. Not even the one Chef de Section that does exist. 2nd of all, the left guides (because apparently there are only 2nd sections here, MAAAYBE because there are no right guides in the entire battalion), step out of the line and move to the position of the Chef de Sections prematurely. 
The order to march is then given before the guides are in place, which I guess is okay, since they aren't supposed to be there in the first place, but is also not okay, because you are supposed to wait for everyone to be in position before you give the order and you know what, I don't really know what to say here, because none of this shit makes any sense whatsoever, and trying to bring sense in this mess is confusing as hell and probably not possible because there simply is no sense in the whole thing, no one knows what hes doing anyway. The sections then start wheeling and are being halted to late. They are supposed to be halted a good step or two before they reach the Chefs of each section (Commanded by the chef de section btw., not the chef de battalion).
Sean then starts shouting something about "conversion s'il vous plait, monsieur" which makes no sense in this case, because they are not supposed to do a conversion. A conversion is done on a moving pivot, in this case you should absolutely not do this though, as it would change your alignment, the pivot needs to be static.
After halt is given, and it seems like the order to dress is given while the camera is not recording, which would be fine, except there are no guides (Or atleast none in the position of the guide) to dress to...  No idea what happens after this ofc, as I can not see it. What I can see though, is that the drummers for some reason think that they are Chefs of the sections and step into the place where the Chef de Section is supposed to be. Wtf. drummer? You are supposed to be at a completely different position right now.
Also, only one of the guides is holding his weapon in an orderly manner. The officers are not holding their sabres in an orderly manner either.



Here is another video, this time of just the 85e.

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https://www.facebook.com/cpetsepers/videos/2114038105290409/
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Again, lets look at their setup:
Chef de Peleton - 1
Chef de 2e Section - 0
Guide de droite - 0
Guide de gauche - 1

Again, they are missing a whole bunch of important ranks.

Also, in the first few seconds of the video, you can already see the left guide stepping out of the line, infront of the line. Wtf are you doing guide? You are the GUIDE. GUIDE. GUIIIIIIIIIIDE. You are the goddamn pivot point, people align to you, you are extremly important. You do not simply step out of the line. Also, please. Hold your weapon like a real sergeant.
You will also notice that their eagle is somewhere in the center of the first section, which makes no sense. First of all, it makes no sense to have an eagle for company drill. The eagle is useless. 2nd of all, the eagle is in the wrong position. He is supposed to be on the left flank of the 2nd section. But I understand why that was not done. They tried to equalize the sections including the eagle. That is the reason they placed it in the first section. They should have equalized the sections first, then added the eagle on top of that.
The officer is not holding his saber in a proper manner.

Alright, so we continue and the 85th wants to form a column of sections while marching to the front. Fine, you can do that, makes perfect sense.

Here is how it is supposed to be done:
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There is a small error in here, it is supposed to say "oblique a droite", not "oblique a gauche"
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The Chef de Section step in front of their respective sections to take command over them. We do not see this happen. Obviously not, because there is only one Chef de Section, and he is also the right ruide, so he can not step in front of his section.
The following orders are correct, however they should not be given by the guide, they should be given by the Chef de Section (Which is non existent) This part is executed correctly, but for the missing Chef de Section. The 1st section however is completely wrong, the right guide which his also Chef de Section does neither step in front of his section (As he should as Chef de Section) nor does he step to the left flank of his section (as he should as guide) instead he remains in his current position. The drummers then proceed to once again step in between the sections, believing that they have been promoted to Chef de Section. Now in reality, the Chef de 2e Section would make sure that his guide is right behind the guide of the first section (who is now on the left flank of his section), so realistically, Hans should not stop moving until he is right behind Willy, which would result in a nice checkerboard pattern. Ofc. even Hans is not that dumb and he instead dresses to no one in front of him and just assumes the position of the invisible guide in front of him.
Next up we see the section wheeling to the right. In this case, the order for conversion is given, as it is necessary to wheel on a moving pivot, or else the sections will crash into each other. The order is given, but executed the wrong way. The entire section wheels on a static pivot and would it have been larger, the 2nd section would have crashed right into them.


I guess thats it for now. Please excuse my typos.




EDIT: While falling asleep yesterday I realized that I did a small mistake with the analysis of the wheeling by "section". I just fixed it.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on May 28, 2018, 03:18:39 pm
And then we haven't even touched on school of the soldier. But that's a story for another time.

There are a few important aspects when it comes to drill.

1. Officers and NCO's have a specific place and role. Guides are the most important ones. They are literally irreplaceable. Even the commander, be it the chef de peleton or just a sergeant, cannot move around freely. Which brings us to point 2.

2. The instructor is not the same thing as the commander. These drill books are written on the assumption that nobody knows anything, from the lowest private all the way up to the colonel. That's great news for us re-enactors, as it gives instruction to everybody. But it also means that a chef de peleton giving drill has to either stay in his position all the time, or act as an instructor to correct mistakes. That means all officers and NCO's move up one position, all the way down to the most senior corporal who becomes 4th sergeant.

3. Knowledge, knowledge and knowledge. Every officer and NCO needs to know his responsibilities and position in the line, and preferably those of his immediate superior as well. Corporals were specifically picked from the men who knew drill the best. You can literally have a batallion of first timers perform reasonably well, as long as the officers and NCO's know what to do.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on May 28, 2018, 04:14:38 pm
As far as I know, an instructor could be of any rank, in theory a Sergeant could be ordering a Captain around. Though I kinda think that this is unlikely. Maybe Instructor was a rank in itself. I need more information about it, so do not take it for granted.
Also, I believe for various movements there are prescribed places for the instructor to be in, but for the love of god I can not keep them in my head. I do not think that that is a big problem though, for reenactment purposes what is important is how the rest of the drill is executed.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on May 28, 2018, 04:28:01 pm
Traditionally drill instructors are sergeants. Officers aren't supposed to yell and cuss at men and sergeants usually have more experience than officers.
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Post by: Olafson on May 28, 2018, 05:42:12 pm
Yes, and most likely this was also the case for the Napolenic Period, but I can not tell for sure.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on May 28, 2018, 06:22:49 pm
Instructor is not a rank. There is nothing in the drillbook that requires the instructor to outrank the commander. We should also be careful with the drill sergeant assumption. It makes sense to us, because we have been bombarded by images of the drill instructor being a sergeant.

There was no 'training stage' for soldiers. Conscripts would be send to the depot of their regiment directly after being drafted, and put into a company on arrival, where they would be trained by their own officers. The school of the soldier, I think, talks about soldiers being trained in groups of four by an instructor. Of course, that's just the theory. In wartime, soldiers were sent out to their regiment almost directly after arriving at the depot, and would be trained on the march.

One account I read described a group of Dutch conscripts that, on their arrival in their department capital, were told they were to become light cavalry, and they were sent to their regimental depot together with some horsemen driving a herd of remounts who happened to be in department capital at the time. The conscripts counted themselves incredibly lucky, as it allowed them to actually learn how to ride a horse before their arrival.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on May 28, 2018, 06:34:26 pm
Then they'd be trained by the unit themselves, wouldn't it be the most logical to be trained by their section commander?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on May 28, 2018, 08:46:16 pm
I agree it makes the most sense, I'm just saying we should be careful when applying our logic on the early 19th century.
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Post by: Olafson on May 28, 2018, 10:09:26 pm
I know for a fact that the School of the Soldier was teached by experienced soldiers (can even be caporal or lower) in groups of 4 or less.

I expressed myself wrong, Instructor is not a real rank, but a role? Not sure what the correct wording is. Something you get assigned to do. Logically, it would make sense for an instructor to be of Sergeant rank or higher for anything that is about Battalion drill, since Caporals were not expected (I think) to know more than Company drill.

Edit:

I am fucking dumb. From the Regulations, typed from German and translated with google, because I am lazy:

" Part Two
This school, which has the instruction of the soldiers, and on the teaching of the compartments, on which the instruction of the battalions and regiments depends, must have a noticeable eflux, and should be officiated and beset with the greatest number of staff by the staff: it is to be excellently under the direction and under the command of the adjudant majors, who are responsible to the regiment commandanten for the accuracy and forestry of teaching; accordingly, on tour, one of adjudantmajor and one of adjutants should constantly be present. Under the orders of the adjudant majors, the new officers will always be employed for at least six months in these schools; only on the orders of the regiment commandanten, and if they are in a position to do everything themselves, to command properly, and to declare all that is prescribed in the soldiers and peleton school, they can be acquitted of it. Since the captains must be responsible for the general instruction of their comapgnies, the regimental commander, and the staff officers of their battalions, they will not ignore the teaching of their data: they will appoint the non-commissioned officers and caporeans to teach them and the officers and instruct the sergeant of her company to keep a watchful eye on her forester's forester.
always it is necessary to designate, as often as possible, a general collecting place for soldiers of each regiment, and one of staff officers should be present so far as the stocks allow it.
if a certain number of soldiers are able to enter peleont's school, the adjudant major will assemble them, and have them trained by a new officeman employed by the school. He will supervise his own teaching and ensure that the progression prescribed in the Peleont School is observed. if the adjudant major believes that one or more soldiers of the peleont are able to enter the battalion, then he shall let their captains be led away and let them excercise in their presence; the chiefs shall then, if they consider the soldiers fit, have them included in the bataillion.
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https://gdz.sub.uni-goettingen.de/id/PPN654565414?tify={%22pages%22:[17],%22panX%22:0,%22panY%22:0.819,%22view%22:%22toc%22,%22zoom%22:0.41}
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on May 28, 2018, 10:36:59 pm
That is quite literally directly in contradiction of what I've read from memoires but I guess in peacetime it makes sense? I stand corrected, anyway.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Cara on May 29, 2018, 06:27:52 am
Depends the period actually in addition of the war/peace time. Early years 1792-1797, we can read in memoires as you said that they are trained on the field litteraly (Vigo-Roussillon is doing his first attack in Italy with no knowledge on "how to" fire a gun haha) but later 1800-1810, since the Camp de Boulogne (which have heavily trained thousands of newcomers), regular schools are formed at the regimental dépôt, with sometime a serious and full instruction, where the best (or educated) ones are selected to follow a caporal/sergeant/officer class (read Bourgogne on this).
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on May 29, 2018, 09:24:10 pm
Okay, I wasn't aware they still had schools. Thanks for the correction, and yes, I definitaly need to read Bourgogne. First Blazé though.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Cara on May 29, 2018, 11:22:31 pm
As always with the different campaigns or regiments or subdivisions (as the Guard which was recruiting newcomers after 1804), there is a lot of variations and we can only trust some mémoires.

My pleasure to talk on Bourgogne when you will be reading it (wait for the Russia part...) and I will check my bookcase to see what I can recommend you too. I had a Dutch carabinier if I recall, who has done like only the Russia retreat  haha
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on June 04, 2018, 01:31:54 am
In reply to my previous post about the 85e drill, here is a video I just remembered to have seen some while ago.
I found it again.

Here is how you form sections the real way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6IQJXw9Law

This are the guys we are working together with whenever we have the opportunity to do so. I guess you know now why.
See how nicely executed everything is? What you see here is the first section (and all the other sections, but they are obstructed by the first) doing it correct.
You will also note all the officers/section leaders carrying their sabre in the shoulder arms position, but as soon as they step out of line, they carry it in port arms position AS IT SHOULD BE.
Watching this video makes me so happy, I can not describe the feeling I get for it. Its beautiful.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on June 04, 2018, 11:02:42 am
Properly executed drill in an orderly fashion  :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
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Post by: zac on June 04, 2018, 12:27:10 pm
Pretty..although good luck getting most western europe/anglo groups to do it that way tho :')
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on June 04, 2018, 01:36:42 pm
The stupid thing is that you see some resemblance of this in the weird batallion drill. You can see what they are attempting to do, it's just that they're missing important people and sometimes generally don't seem to know what they are doing and then everything gets mixed up. It's not the soldiers fault: they are putting in the time and effort. Would have they been instructed properly, it would have been much better.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: zac on June 04, 2018, 02:27:59 pm
Exactly...something tells me this could be somewhat shoddily fixed up by having less Generals and officers higher than the rank of Captain (or officers in general) and men who actually know what they are doing/trained in those important positions.... ::)
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on June 04, 2018, 04:03:18 pm
Quixkfix:

1. Check if the current NCO's and officers actually know what they are doing.
2. Keep the ones that do, politely thank the ones that don't for their service.
3. Start instructing people at events... too much time is spent doing bugger all sitting around and looking bored. Start training people!
4. During training... stop being so fucking nice to people. If they're doing it wrong, tell them. Out of step? Correct them! Not turning the right way? Make them turn the right way. Holding their hand slightly above the placer they're supposed to hold it? Have them move their hand.

Stop. Being. So. Fucking. Nice.


Oh and stop using the incredibly long bloody commands for drill. A command made out of three sentences doesn't work... The NCO's actually shortened stuff. I had a source for this but I lost it.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on June 04, 2018, 04:54:38 pm
Good luck telling that to the Dutch 85e.

Although I guess we should spend more time drilling. But at least we know how to.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: zac on June 09, 2018, 12:20:30 pm
Where's that historically accurate hair ?? ::) ??
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Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on June 10, 2018, 07:30:47 pm
Where's that historically accurate low motivation
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on June 11, 2018, 09:15:16 am
It looks much shorter then it actually is.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on June 11, 2018, 10:59:24 pm
Since when is short hair inaccurate. If there is one hairstyle that is accurate for all periods, it is short hair and no beard.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: zac on June 12, 2018, 06:51:31 am
Well late 1790's and until 1806/7 atleast for British is queued hair, so much so that having short hair was the only time a private soldier was allowed to wear a wig instead of his natural hair. The guy in the background of you guys has it right for late 1790's early 1800's.

Short hair only becomes mainstream during and after the Peninsula Campaign, and while that statement is restricted mainly to British forces, it is something that seemed pretty universal up until the post 1805 period in French/etc forces. Atleast until the Shako is full adopted.

However that specific comment was more in jest because of Caspers past hair :P
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on June 12, 2018, 09:41:19 am
Alright, true. For the french, long hair/tails were abandoned during the camp of  Boulogne and before that most people with short hair did wear wigs.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Maple™ on June 12, 2018, 10:04:18 am
so are you guys going to revert the melee patch
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on June 12, 2018, 08:27:52 pm
Out of interest, do we have any info if they wore those on campaign as well? I've worn one of those wigs once and it was uncomfortable as hell. I don't even wanna imagine how annoying it must have been to wear that on campaign in Italy, Malta or Egypt.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on June 12, 2018, 08:53:49 pm
The Dutch forces of the Kingdom of Holland apparantly did. One regiment cut their long hair on campaign, which they were supposed to braid into a tail and powder, and was immediatly ordered by the Department of the Army to grow it back. Then again, that was much later in the period and I think armies had more important things on their mind during the revolutionary wars.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Wolff on June 12, 2018, 11:59:13 pm
There are those stories of rats nibbleing the hair of british soldiers on ships (or on campaign?) because they had to powder it with flour. I don't know in wich memories you can find it but I heard it like a thousand times. Might be a myth but it is likely
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: zac on June 13, 2018, 04:42:37 am
Wigs were heavily discouraged but are known to have been worn by soldiers of some regiments during the American Revolutionary war and later period on a regimental level. However it must be understood that it was rather common to have relatively long hair during the 18th century, with it only become shorter as fashion changed during the early Empire period. Therefore wigs were a rarity amonst the ranks as they simply weren't needed. Even the colonial regiment raised specifically for service in very warm Australia had orders for their hair to be worn long and queued until 1807. Indeed many of the aboriginals here thought the men were women apparently :')

Powdered hair was also technically still used until the mid Napoleonic period but was largely reserved for Guard regiments by that stage as there were slightly more important events going on..

And wolff that's correct and is a well recorded occurrence during the American Rev war and also amongst Marines stationed out in Australia etc. It's even recorded, although I can't remember exactly what, that the material used to keep the powder in the hair amongst the Marines stationed in Australia essentially resulted in the hair 'cooking' and becoming stuck to the cocked hat.

Fashion dictates all
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on June 14, 2018, 11:06:56 am
Another reason why I'm not going to do 18th century.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: zac on June 14, 2018, 02:45:47 pm
But hair curls, neck ruffles, stockings, buckled shoes and long tails   ::)
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on June 14, 2018, 04:06:39 pm
*shivers*
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on June 16, 2018, 09:53:08 pm
So I had pretty much forgotten, but I actually did some archive research a long time ago on the Nassau regiments in the Dutch army during the Waterloo campaign. I was going through the photo's and there are a few things that might be of interest, so I'll share them here. They are on Nassau or Dutch units, but as the Dutch/Nassau organisation was copy-pasted from the French, I think the findings are generalizable.

First, what I didn't note last time and what immediatly struck me this time is that the mail either consists of reports on unit strenght and equipment, or requests (so many requests) for material. Specifically, axes and shovels for the batallion sappeurs, or 'big axes, small axes, shovels and hatchets' for the normal soldiers.

A request for sappeur tools from the batallion commander of the 5th Militia. Besides axes, he also requests shovels, a saw and a pickaxe
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Request for soldier tools for the 2nd Regiment of Nassau Light Infantry. The numbers are low and somewhat irregular, so I think the regiment (2600 men) already had some equipment but requested more.
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A request for soldier tools for the Regiment Nassau-Usingen. This regiment's 1st batallion arriveda month before waterloo.
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The request asks for twelve large axes, 48 small axes, 24 shovels and 96 hatchets. To give a better idea, that means each company got two large axes, 8 small axes, 4 shovels and 16 hatchets. For soldiers, this would mean around one small axe and two hatchets per 17-18 men, which I presume was the average size for the escouade (squad) in this full-strenght sized batallion. It also means the batallion was send on campaign without any of this gear and wasn't even expected to have this settled until they arrived in the field.

A few days before Waterloo, the 2nd Batallion Regiment Nassau-Usingen arrived and a full report was made onwhat they had. 
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It says they had 112 'Marmites and gamelles', the cooking pots we use. Interestingly enough, they use the French name, and also do not specificy how many gamelles (the larger one with a lid) or marmite (the over-sized pan) they have, only that they have 112 in total. That comes down to one per six guys, or one gamelle and one marmite per squad. So text-book. I love it. Finally, the document says the men had 120 'large bidons' and 666 'small bidons'. Small bidons are the canteens, of the type we use. Large bidons, apparantly (I had to ask Olafson for this) are coffee-pot-boiler-ish items. Again, it comes down to one large bidon per 5-6 guys, or roughly two per squad.

So when we look at one squad of 12-18 men, they would have to divide amongst themselves 2 large bidons, 1 marmite, 1 gamelle, 2 hatchets and 1 small axe. That's 7 squad-items, meaning you'd carry something besides your personal gear every two or three days, depending on your squad's size.

Next, a large document of all items that were either missing or had broken down 'to the point where they could not be used' at the end of the Waterloo campaign, August 1815. The batallion in question is the 27th Jagers, a large batallion that took quite a number of casualties and missing during the battle.

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It's somewhat staggering to see how much clothing and equipment has broken down. The batallion was roughly 800 men at the start of the campaign, and 200 uniform coats are reported missing or broken down. And the list obviously doesn't stop there. 648 shirts, 778 undertrousers, 202 greatcoats, 189 pair of shoes, 424 vests with sleeves, and then a buttload of equipment. Of course, also 600+ leather stocks went 'missing'. What is interesting is that the shakos are specifically mentioned as being of the French model, as well as that I actually don't see the grey woolen trousers the soldiers were supposed to get. It does list 500 linnen overtrousers, but no mention of woolen trousers. Perhaps, they are referred to as 'undertrousers', although the high frequency of lost probably means these were either thrown away or of non-durable material like thin linnen.

I hope many socks were bored off when reading this. Cheers!
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: zac on June 18, 2018, 02:42:03 pm
I feel sorry for the adjutant and clerks  ;D

also in my own studies of British documents I have never come across 'undertrousers' being woolen trousers, however gaitered overalls were occasionally referred to as 'undertrousers' in the post 1790's area but those were made of linen
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on June 18, 2018, 02:57:11 pm
There's another document of the 2nd company, 2nd Line Batallion that requests 70 pantalons which might imply they didn't have any and they just went with their linnen trousers.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: zac on June 18, 2018, 03:20:27 pm
"but everyone wore grey woolen trousers during the Waterloo Campaign"
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on June 18, 2018, 05:26:41 pm
Well, I'm gonna be careful before stating they everybody should put their woolen trousers away until an 1831 event, because I know that at least the 7e BvL does a buttload of research. But it does not seem impossible they either never got them or they threw them away in the hot summer weather, at least for this unit. If they threw them away, it should still be on the list of the 27e Jagers as a missing item... So it sounds more plausible they never actually got them.

Everybody really ought to change their freaking cotton trousers with linnen, of course. There's really no excuse.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on June 18, 2018, 07:38:38 pm

Everybody really ought to change their freaking cotton trousers with linnen, of course. There's really no excuse.

This, so much this.

The problem is the people making the clothes don't even offer the option for linnen.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on June 18, 2018, 09:47:41 pm
They just say it is authentic, some even claim it is linen.

Additonally groups do not care much about research or about their uniforms, so they just tell new members to go there or there because it is convenient. Or new members just buy their own stuff and are never told that it is wrong.

But mostly, people just do not care. To much effort I guess.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duke Of LongTree on June 18, 2018, 11:31:43 pm
so i have a question where can i get a good french NW uniform ?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: zac on June 19, 2018, 02:10:20 am
amen on the linen. We get ours from the same place as the US Rev War guys (Najecki) and its such a great material, especially for this climate. But unfortunately 99% of suppliers only supply cotton...so you either make it yourself or find really expensive sutlers. It probably also helps that I also do regency stuff but everything seems to forget that linen was what the vast majority of your 'whites' were made out of..and I repeat..it feels so much better than cotton.

so i have a question where can i get a good french NW uniform ?

Hi there, depends on what standard you are after. I take it you are North American? so I might suggest searching here for your closest unit and asking them; http://www.brigade-napoleon.org/ :)
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duke Of LongTree on June 19, 2018, 02:19:35 am


so i have a question where can i get a good french NW uniform ?

Hi there, depends on what standard you are after. I take it you are North American? so I might suggest searching here for your closest unit and asking them; http://www.brigade-napoleon.org/ :)

lol i dont care about them the american NW reenactors are all farbs also there are no units by me for the south is a cold desolate reenactors
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: zac on June 19, 2018, 03:55:52 am
haha, wasn't going to comment on the state of the N. American Napoleonic scene but won't say I disagree..although some members of the 21e over there have been improving quite a bit. But in that case Olafson or Duuring can probably point you in the right direction.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duke Of LongTree on June 19, 2018, 04:59:56 am
Papa olaf i wanna play NW what do i need to get stated pls help or i will spam you
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on June 19, 2018, 02:52:39 pm
Sutlers aren't as well organized in the Napoleonic scene as they are in ACW, not in Europe and not in the US/Canada. It's frustrating, but hardly surprising considering the massive amount of sub-periods, countries and units. I mean, even when you want to do a normal French line infantry men, you have to pick early Revolutionary (1792-95), late Revolutionary (96-01), Early Napoleonic (02-06), mid-Napoleonic (07-10), Russia, (10-12) or late Napoleonic, ('13-'15). And technically, Waterloo would be a whole different impression but we all pretty much just pretend it isn't, and then I'm already splitting Mid-Napoleonic and Russia into two periods. For each of these periods, there was a difference in uniform.

Nico knows some American guys doing an extremely nice Bardin impression, although I believe they made most of their things themselves. There's also a small light infantry regiment that has a pretty good impression. As for the 21e... I'll just join Zac in not commenting.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: zac on June 19, 2018, 04:23:17 pm
Shh duuring, never ever mention Waterloo impressions...didn't you sign the official secrets act??  :-X

I know the light infantry guys you are speaking of I think (https://www.facebook.com/6eLegere/) , they got their kits largely from corps sutler , http://corpsutler.webs.com/ . Australian supplier which does largely 'off the rack' stuff. Duuring knows my opinion regarding their stuff...but their Frog stuff is actually decent if you want something under the $400 price range. (As long as you get the measurements perfect)

Besides that you can do what I have been doing and have a go at making it yourself, which may be a fun project considering you apparently don't have any groups around where you live. If that's a line you want to go down I can point you in the direction of authentic material suppliers and i'm sure Olaf or someone can help direct you to a pattern/someone who can help.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on June 19, 2018, 04:26:59 pm
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Shh duuring, never ever mention Waterloo impressions...didn't you sign the official secrets act??  :-X

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True, but considering the lack of alternatives and the fact that they at least carry full uniforms tells me they might have a progressive mindset. I already pointed out to them that they should get different backpacks and they did not bite my head off, so I like them.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: zac on June 19, 2018, 04:42:56 pm
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Shh duuring, never ever mention Waterloo impressions...didn't you sign the official secrets act??  :-X

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Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duke Of LongTree on June 19, 2018, 04:45:13 pm
Lol I'll just form an 88e here in American we will go troll war of 1812 events
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: zac on June 19, 2018, 05:14:11 pm
The War of 1812 guys are essentially the best reenactors over there :P (atleast the redcoat units)...but sure, I've actually been noticing random french soldiers in photos from 1812 events haha
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duke Of LongTree on June 19, 2018, 05:20:37 pm
The War of 1812 guys are essentially the best reenactors over there :P (atleast the redcoat units)...but sure, I've actually been noticing random french soldiers in photos from 1812 events haha
The battle of New Orleans reenactment some times has the old guard show up its funny to see
here is the french at New Orleans
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Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: zac on June 19, 2018, 05:39:28 pm
The War of 1812 guys are essentially the best reenactors over there :P (atleast the redcoat units)...but sure, I've actually been noticing random french soldiers in photos from 1812 events haha
The battle of New Orleans reenactment some times has the old guard show up its funny to see
here is the french at New Orleans
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ahh yes, yucky leather 'belgic shakos' and top hats...so dapper :')

Oi duuring, plse explain to me how a french pre 1812 flag is at a post 1812 USA battle xD ..I know there were plans for the Guard to rescue Napoleon and wisk him off to the USA, but really?  ::)

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duke Of LongTree on June 19, 2018, 05:41:56 pm
The War of 1812 guys are essentially the best reenactors over there :P (atleast the redcoat units)...but sure, I've actually been noticing random french soldiers in photos from 1812 events haha
The battle of New Orleans reenactment some times has the old guard show up its funny to see
here is the french at New Orleans
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ahh yes, yucky leather 'belgic shakos' and top hats...so dapper :')

Oi duuring, plse explain to me how a french pre 1812 flag is at a post 1812 USA battle xD ..I know there were plans for the Guard to rescue Napoleon and wisk him off to the USA, but really?

Americans are autistic i did a local civil war event and they had a 50 start flag so ...
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on June 19, 2018, 08:50:35 pm
Flags are so annoying. Everybody insists on getting one, on always carrying it, and they never do it correctly, impression nor position in a formation.We are never getting one for our napoleonic impression.

Apparantly the Dutch 85e wants to make pikes to make new unarmed members colour guards. I hope it's not true, but if it is, how about you just try to re-enact a normal platoon of line soldiers correctly before you start looking for 'additions'.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on June 19, 2018, 10:32:07 pm
Or arm your unarmed members with replicas.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on June 19, 2018, 11:10:16 pm
Exactly. The constant search for extra impressions just to get more people in the group is what kills authenticity.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on June 19, 2018, 11:51:06 pm
Please don't mention 85eme Dutch in the same sentence with the word authenticity
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duke Of LongTree on June 20, 2018, 12:00:00 am
lolololol
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: zac on June 20, 2018, 03:59:39 am
Flags are so annoying. Everybody insists on getting one, on always carrying it, and they never do it correctly, impression nor position in a formation.We are never getting one for our napoleonic impression.

Apparantly the Dutch 85e wants to make pikes to make new unarmed members colour guards. I hope it's not true, but if it is, how about you just try to re-enact a normal platoon of line soldiers correctly before you start looking for 'additions'.

lol...the australian 21e set up those same pike colour guard guys about 3 years ago for that very same reason......... ::)
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on June 22, 2018, 01:40:51 pm
Ugghh why is it so difficult for mainstream units just to say 'no' once in a while.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on June 22, 2018, 06:30:09 pm
Because the 'leaders' aren't actually leaders. Just people who know how to play soldier a little better than the rest.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on June 23, 2018, 05:52:57 pm
Anybody here happen to have a good English translation of the Bardin uniform regulations? I feel my competence in French should be enough to get through it eventually but it'd be nice to have a version that doesn't require me to focus so much in order to read it and not accidentally miss small details.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on June 24, 2018, 07:09:02 pm
Because the 'leaders' aren't actually leaders. Just people who know how to play soldier a little better than the rest.

Seems an accurate description of our group.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on June 24, 2018, 10:09:39 pm
Because the 'leaders' aren't actually leaders. Just people who know how to play soldier a little better than the rest.

That has nothing to do with Mainstream reenactors not being able to say no to retarded stuff like pike guards.  Reenactment is just like minded people coming together, democratically deciding on what to do.
And likeminded people can go both ways. There are people that generally agree to all those weird ideas because they either do not know better or do not care, and they ususally get together and group up. And then there are people that do not want that kind of stuff, and they also group up.

So you will end up with different groups, all with slightly(Or not major..)differences in their opinion on how to reenact.

And that is a good thing. If everyone was forced into a unit with a leader they do not know or like and would be forced to wear and do what he says, they would basically be in the real army. A few people would like the leader, but the majority would probably dislike him, and eventually he would end up "accidentially" getting shot in the back.

This is exactly what happened back in the day, and you probably do not want to repeat that. I understand that you need this in the real army and it makes perfect sense to do so, but for a hobby it makes no sense. You group up together with like-minded people and work together with them because you are doing this for fun. And being together with people that you do not like is not fun.

But this also explains why Mainstream groups generally can not say "no" to those ideas. There is no one in the group that could potentially be against it. Everyone thinks the same and has the same opinion about how to do stuff.


Anybody here happen to have a good English translation of the Bardin uniform regulations? I feel my competence in French should be enough to get through it eventually but it'd be nice to have a version that doesn't require me to focus so much in order to read it and not accidentally miss small details.

I have never heard about that, I would be interested in it myself. Since I am assuming that you are reading it for your 85e impression, remember that what is written in the regulations and what the regiment/soldier actually had is sometimes very different. So take the regulations as base for everything, but then apply your regiment/timeframe/soldier specific modifications to it.

Because the 'leaders' aren't actually leaders. Just people who know how to play soldier a little better than the rest.

Seems an accurate description of our group.

Or reenactment in general? I mean it is a big pretend game anyway.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Cara on June 24, 2018, 11:24:35 pm
Anybody here happen to have a good English translation of the Bardin uniform regulations? I feel my competence in French should be enough to get through it eventually but it'd be nice to have a version that doesn't require me to focus so much in order to read it and not accidentally miss small details.

I have never heard about that, I would be interested in it myself. Since I am assuming that you are reading it for your 85e impression, remember that what is written in the regulations and what the regiment/soldier actually had is sometimes very different. So take the regulations as base for everything, but then apply your regiment/timeframe/soldier specific modifications to it.

I would take it to Marc, considering his "Living History Charter" and stuff, he probably did one. or at least a bit.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on June 25, 2018, 08:08:08 am
Olaf you misunderstand what I meant.
I do not mean there is 1 person dictates what everyone has to do exactly, but the leader of the group has to decide on the direction of the group, for the good of the group. Without dictating individual choices, it is the leader(s) of the group who decide what the group facilitaties,for non-firing members.

Leaderahip in that sense to me isn't a leader bding to person to decide what everyone does. Thats not a style of leadership, thats a style of management.
In this case, it should be the leader deciding the direction of the group: not the individual direction.

What annoys me is that nodoby seems willing to say "No, that is not a good idea, bad for the grouo impression and not how we should do it" well they do, sometimes, but then refuse to act upon it and carry out that opinion. In a leadership position, even in a hobby-re-enactment environment, that is acting spineless. It doesnt work at all on the long run.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on June 25, 2018, 11:16:40 am
Anybody here happen to have a good English translation of the Bardin uniform regulations? I feel my competence in French should be enough to get through it eventually but it'd be nice to have a version that doesn't require me to focus so much in order to read it and not accidentally miss small details.
There is this shit on the old 85eme website:
https://www.fsegames.eu/85emeold/historyuk.html

(Part 1: Uniform and equipment
Part 2: Tenues
Part 3: A fusilier's kit)

No idea how accurate it is.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on June 25, 2018, 12:51:35 pm
Olaf you misunderstand what I meant.
I do not mean there is 1 person dictates what everyone has to do exactly, but the leader of the group has to decide on the direction of the group, for the good of the group. Without dictating individual choices, it is the leader(s) of the group who decide what the group facilitaties,for non-firing members.

But allowing an abundance of different impressions doesn't necessarily mean a lack of spine by the leader (or club). As Olafson said, some genuinely do not care. And when they do, these clubs are still democratic and you can't ignore the wishes of your members.

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What annoys me is that nodoby seems willing to say "No, that is not a good idea, bad for the grouo impression and not how we should do it" well they do, sometimes, but then refuse to act upon it and carry out that opinion. In a leadership position, even in a hobby-re-enactment environment, that is acting spineless. It doesnt work at all on the long run.

Very much agreed. But that's the thing; a certain kind of group culture appeals to a certain kind of people. The whole goal of our progressive group is that we only appeal to people with a progressive mind. It's much easier to convince people with that kind of mindset that the decision to do only one impression (that of a fusilier company) is really the best one. Groups will do everything do get more people into their unit, not understanding that this is what, as you said, kills them in the long run. Actually, someone at Waterloo asked us if the Dutch 85e is still a thing. To be fair, it still is, but it shows its reputation.

It's really weird once you think about it; The state of the French groups in the Netherlands is abysmal. There's just the Douane and the 85e, who altogether have maybe 25-30 people, half of which I'd consider active. The Equipage is technically French-allied, but at every larger event they are with the Dutch 1815 forces. Which, let me just state again, is completely retarded (No offence Yoeri, I know you don't really agree with this policy). There were more British France re-enactors than Dutch at Quatre-Bras this year.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: zac on June 25, 2018, 01:08:40 pm


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Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on June 25, 2018, 01:56:00 pm
It's really weird once you think about it; The state of the French groups in the Netherlands is abysmal. There's just the Douane and the 85e, who altogether have maybe 25-30 people, half of which I'd consider active. The Equipage is technically French-allied, but at every larger event they are with the Dutch 1815 forces. Which, let me just state again, is completely retarded (No offence Yoeri, I know you don't really agree with this policy). There were more British France re-enactors than Dutch at Quatre-Bras this year.

Orangistic bias. The Orange dynasty won, brought the Netherlands into the Coalition and fought Napoleon at Waterloo. SO what you get after that is almost 200 years of us conveniently 'forgetting' everything that was achieved during the 'French' period in our history, which leads to somewhat of a bias towards Orange-aligned troops among Dutch reenactors. And of course the whole issue that most people just want to reenact something closer to home. ie A Dutchman is more inclined to portray a Dutch regiment than a French because the latter often feels foreign to him.

As for the topic of the Equipage, yeah I dislike us being with the Allied army at every major event. And funnily enough, at Quatre Bras the Dutch brigade also told us they rather not have us with them. Which makes perfect sense if you ask me, we aren't an 1815 unit and even then, marines never were in the Bylandt brigade to start with. I understand and completely agree with their reasoning for it. As for what that will mean for the future, I have absolutely no idea and I'd rather not prod anyone. I'll see what happens.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on June 25, 2018, 03:37:56 pm
Re-enact a French equipage? The uniforms were very similair and they even used shakos for a while. And it's actually what happened to Dutch sailors so it's even quite accurate. Just as a suggestion to look into.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on June 26, 2018, 08:54:35 pm
So it might be that we have to change our bonnet yet again, basically back to the old model we thought was inaccurate, but apparently is not.

I hate my life.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on June 26, 2018, 09:16:55 pm
So it might be that we have to change our bonnet yet again, basically back to the old model we thought was inaccurate, but apparently is not.

I hate my life.

Kill meeeeeeeeeee
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on June 26, 2018, 10:27:18 pm
Lol, I just bought one of those 'old' model bonnets a few months ago.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on June 26, 2018, 10:36:17 pm
Well the issue isnt settled completely yet.

Most people seem to agree that the bonnet with the red turban is the regulation version until the 1812 regulations, but assume that many regiments instead opted for a blue turban instead, since it would be easier to produce.
Now Paul Dawson comes along and talks about a Uniform tariff from 1808 that apparently no one else has seen or talked about that regulates the bonnets as the blue turban, red piping bonnet we had before we replaced it.

But there is a drawing from 1810 depicting a soldier wearing the red turban bonnet.
So what the fuck am I supposed to do/think now. Somehow everything seems correct. It is a huge mess.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on June 26, 2018, 10:46:46 pm
Our model (let's call it the 'red model) was introduced in 1799 and then not officially replaced until 1812 with the pokalem. Yet now someone found hand-written orders from 1808 (in a freaking box in some archive, Jesuuuusssss) which apparantly suggest they changed the model to be completely blue due to shortages of red wool. But then we also, like Olafson said, have clear drawings from 1810 showing the red model. It's not impossible some regiments followed the order, some didn't, and some had already been making blue model bonnets prior to the 1808 order. Luckily we do plenty of pre-1808 events, so we still have use for the red model even if we do conclude it was changed. The problem is that it was probably different per regiment. We know for a fact that the 85e still had scarlet fabric in stores in 1814 so there was clearly no shortage.

Lol, I just bought one of those 'old' model bonnets a few months ago.

Why though? The 85e does a Bardin impression. They even told someone not to get an 1810 model coat.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on June 26, 2018, 11:22:17 pm
Lol, I just bought one of those 'old' model bonnets a few months ago.

Why though? The 85e does a Bardin impression. They even told someone not to get an 1810 model coat.

Equipage also uses that exact model (which we're also not entirely sure if that's correct, but we are suffering from a lack of information instead of conflicting information). My old one was cheap and sloppy so I wanted to get a proper one. I am gonna get a Pokalem for my 85e impression but until then I use my bonnet as a backup option.

As for your issue, it seems to me that technically both are correct for post 1808 events and impression. Red being the correct regulation one, but blue also being a possibility that isn't entirely inaccurate.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on June 26, 2018, 11:42:24 pm
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Equipage also uses that exact model (which we're also not entirely sure if that's correct, but we are suffering from a lack of information instead of conflicting information). My old one was cheap and sloppy so I wanted to get a proper one. I am gonna get a Pokalem for my 85e impression but until then I use my bonnet as a backup option.

Ah, fair enough. Although from we can tell from period drawings and paintings, the bonnets were incredibly sloppy sometimes. How is your 85e impression going along anyway?

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As for your issue, it seems to me that technically both are correct for post 1808 events and impression. Red being the correct regulation one, but blue also being a possibility that isn't entirely inaccurate

I think that's the way we are leaning. We know the 85e did not have a lack of scarlet wool in 1814, and the 1808 order lists the uniforms for hospitalized troops, not for the actual line infantry. Then again, we must be wary not to find arguments for our conclusion, not a conclusion to the arguments. If we're wrong, we are wrong.
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Post by: joer5835 on June 26, 2018, 11:59:01 pm
How is your 85e impression going along anyway?

The basics are pretty much done, I have my shako, greatcoat, gillet and habit-veste. Only thing I was missing was a backpack but my dad surprised me lately with informing he had ordered one from Willem for me. Best gift I could have wished for honestly. The next part is just minor touch ups really. Get a proper pokalem, canteen etc. That said, I really do want to look into ditching cotton trousers for linen in the future. Gonna have to wait at least till next year however, I spent a quite a lot this year and I don't have unlimited funds.
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Post by: Duuring on June 27, 2018, 12:10:17 am
Your dad should have specified the havresac to be 'like that of Nico'. The 'like that of Nico'-model is the best.

Seems a very rapid progression, well done. I don't even have my gilet-veste yet, as our tailor literally takes forever.
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Post by: zac on June 28, 2018, 12:00:05 pm
And now begins the road to  Waterloo 2020

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Post by: Duuring on June 28, 2018, 12:43:10 pm
And now begins the road to  Waterloo 2020

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You better come.
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Post by: Duke Of LongTree on June 28, 2018, 01:42:39 pm
155th Gettysburg is next week

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Post by: zac on June 28, 2018, 02:00:20 pm
And now begins the road to  Waterloo 2020

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You better come.

Currently liasoning with the 42nd in the UK so should be :P ..probs not going to camp tho
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Post by: Vincenzo on June 28, 2018, 02:57:15 pm
I'm not sure if I'm even excited, such big event will just be a big anoyance and farb fest.

Perhaps it will be funny to march Ligny > Waterloo and instead of sleep in the tent camp find some empty ditch under some group of trees. and make our own fun.
Build some shelter from available materials and enjoy.

Then the battle is the only thing to be there for anyway, it will be large, hopefully better than 5 years back, not with a huge field so even if you have 5000 people you cannot see them..
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Post by: zac on June 28, 2018, 03:01:34 pm
Yeah hopefully its not spread out like 2015
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Post by: Duuring on June 28, 2018, 04:20:49 pm
I'm not sure if I'm even excited, such big event will just be a big anoyance and farb fest.

Perhaps it will be funny to march Ligny > Waterloo and instead of sleep in the tent camp find some empty ditch under some group of trees. and make our own fun.
Build some shelter from available materials and enjoy.

Then the battle is the only thing to be there for anyway, it will be large, hopefully better than 5 years back, not with a huge field so even if you have 5000 people you cannot see them..

We should really try to form some kind of 'western' progressive company for Waterloo, in the same style as we do in civil war. If enough east-Europeans come, we can even make a batallion of two or three companies. It works very well in ACW, even in Europe, yet somehow the model is barely copied in Napoleonic re-enactment. Now you just show up and make ad-hoc formations on the spot. It works, but we could (and should) take it a step further.
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Post by: Vincenzo on June 28, 2018, 05:10:14 pm
I agree, I'm trying to work with the Poles right now, But east Europe is quite closed towards west Europe, at least in the topic of progressive Napoleonic it seems, generally there are simply no progressive groups. at least I know only 22e from Germany, 33eme from Poland and???? nothing else.
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Post by: Duuring on June 28, 2018, 05:21:16 pm
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But east europe is quite closed towards west europe

Distance, cultural differences and of course language barriers. Plus, while civil war is between two sides in a period of 4,5 years, the Napoleonic is over a period of two decades with a dozen different nations, many of whom switched sides at least once.

But you see the difference between our generation and that of the previous ones. More people speak English, and it gets more and more easier to re-enact in other countries (with regards to gun laws). It's up to us to seize this momentum, to be fair. The old generation is not going to do it.

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 at least in the topic of progressive Napoleonics it seems, generally there are simply no progressive groups. at least I know only 22e from germany, 33eme from Poland and???? nothing else

But there are plenty of progressive re-enactors. We don't need to get five or six groups together, we just need to recruit anyone wanting to do a progressive unit for Waterloo 2020. I mean, no, the Dutch 85e is not a progressive unit, but I know that at least three of their members would be willing to join us for such a thing. Yes, it will be a uniform mismatch, but who the Hell cares?. I'm not saying 'oh, let's do a full batallion, 400 men, let's go.'. I'm saying that we should plan and organize a realistic set-up and contact groups close to us, to get the ball rolling. Marc Middleton's organization can also help with that.
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Post by: zac on June 28, 2018, 05:28:41 pm
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But east europe is quite closed towards west europe

Distance, cultural differences and of course language barriers. Plus, while civil war is between two sides in a period of 4,5 years, the Napoleonic is over a period of two decades with a dozen different nations, many of whom switched sides at least once.

But you see the difference between our generation and that of the previous ones. More people speak English, and it gets more and more easier to re-enact in other countries (with regards to gun laws). It's up to us to seize this momentum, to be fair. The old generation is not going to do it.

Can agree . The language thing has got easier. Spent a while in Hungary at the beginning of the year and even kitted up for some 1848 stuff and was amazed at the amount of people who spoke English. Especially after I said I wasn't British or a Yank all went swimmingly hahaha...

There's a chance to change the napoleonic scene and I think it's at a stage where you either try and push for what Duuring is saying..or let it collapse. Everyone said Waterloo 2015 was going to be the 'revolution' and that it was going to fix the hobby...and while it has lit a spark the vast majority of groups have done absolutely nothing with the momentum. I mean I still recall in July 2015, all the Aussies coming back speaking of 'changing this and that' and well guess what...they've gotten even older, no new recruits and nothing has changed.

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Post by: Duuring on June 28, 2018, 06:35:57 pm
First step is to get a realistic goal. I'd say; a half-sized company with appropiate NCO's and officers. Just that.

I wouldn't even go as far as to say 'let's do the same unit' or 'fusiliers only'. Yes, we should pick a 'basic impression', and great if people want to change something in their impression to better fit the company picture, but it's a waste of effort trying to en-force it. We can only spend a certain amount of effort before we get tired of it, and we can only enforce a certain amount of policy before units will simply cancel. I know, I know - Grenadiers are absolutely overdone in the hobby. Life sucks. Get over it. Let's focus on getting everybody to pack everything in their backpacks, not use breadbags, not use tents, professionalize officers and NCO's and make sure groups and individuals accept those officers and NCO's.
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Post by: Olafson on June 28, 2018, 09:50:16 pm
90% of all Progressive reenactor groups doing Napoleonic are primarily focused on Bicorn era. And as you know, for some reason Bicorn-era people tend not to get shakos for Shako events.

The uniform mismatch is not a huge problem for french reenactors unless it comes to bicorns and shakos. You simply can not put a bicorn and a shako in the same line, it looks off.
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Post by: Duuring on June 28, 2018, 09:53:17 pm
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90% of all Progressive reenactor groups doing Napoleonic are primarily focused on Bicorn era

That's because 90% of all Progressive re-enactors are based in the Czech Republic, Poland, or other Eastern European countries, where only stuff happened in 1795-1809. But if we want to form such a unit, we should focus on westerners anyway; The Netherlands, Belgium, the UK, Germany and France.
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Post by: Olafson on June 28, 2018, 10:11:58 pm
Do not forget that we are already part of a Battalion.
http://chartehistoire.eu/mapage26/index.html

Ofc, only half of those groups are actually affiliated with the Charte Histoire
http://chartehistoire.eu/mapage/index.html

But it is a start. Ofc. within the Charte histoire there is also quite some variation in the "Progressiveness" of the units, but overall you could agree that all of them are progressive reenactors.

Obviously this is not comparable to lets say, Walldürn, where all progressive groups come together form their own companies and sleep together, and do stuff together for the entirety of the event. The battalion uni is only conceirned with the battalion drill itself.
But one does not exclude the other. You could still get all progressive reenactors together for the event and form one or several companies of the battalion. The battalion will then be made out of one or more progressive reenactor companies and one or more mainstream reenactor companies. But I think this would be fine.

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Post by: Duuring on June 28, 2018, 10:45:39 pm
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Membres présents en Allemagne et Pologne.

Lawl. Also, the link links to the site of the 22e.

Like I said, it might be worth trying to get a progressive company together for Waterloo 2020. Do rations, guard duty, camping down, morning calls, stuff like that. You could, for example, have one section consisting out of French(-speakers) and the other one consisting of English-speakers (Dutch, British, Germans). Doing a lot of historical things when you are with just a single squad is a waste of effort, but would actually be interesting if we are a sizeable unit.
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Post by: Olafson on June 28, 2018, 11:06:42 pm
Yeah, roll calls with 5 guys, who you sleep to all night are kinda retarded. Who are you fooling, it is not like you did not notice that everyone is present. Doing guard duty next to impossible unless you seriously do not want to sleep.
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Post by: Duuring on June 28, 2018, 11:07:39 pm
Life was hard back in those days.
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Post by: zac on June 29, 2018, 12:50:43 pm
Yeah, roll calls with 5 guys, who you sleep to all night are kinda retarded. Who are you fooling, it is not like you did not notice that everyone is present. Doing guard duty next to impossible unless you seriously do not want to sleep.

A very common thing in the ww1/ww2 scene tho..all i'm hearing is excuses  ;D ;)

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Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duke Of LongTree on June 30, 2018, 02:31:12 am
Can I call in with the 85e for the 2020 Waterloo ?
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Post by: Duuring on June 30, 2018, 10:06:04 am
Only if you bring at least four friends.
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Post by: Duke Of LongTree on June 30, 2018, 04:11:49 pm
I don't have four friends that would spend money on a new NW kit
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Post by: Duuring on June 30, 2018, 06:01:01 pm
Who said anything about a new NW kit?
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Post by: joer5835 on July 01, 2018, 12:33:42 am
I don't have four friends that would spend money on a new NW kit

you severely underestimate the amount of stuff Olaf has lying around to equip people with.
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Post by: Duke Of LongTree on July 01, 2018, 03:33:31 am
Does he have shit to fit my big American ass
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Post by: zac on July 01, 2018, 05:14:53 am
 You've got two years almost to de-americanise yourself so ofc
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Post by: Vincenzo on July 01, 2018, 12:40:39 pm
I think it is possible to form a progressive peleton for waterloo, 33eme is ready for it and will buy shakos this year. 85eme will grow for it, 22eme will be intrested too im sure.
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Post by: Olafson on July 01, 2018, 08:45:00 pm
I am discussing it with Marc Middleton who is talking to the French groups. They are generally intersted too, but there are some problems that will remain and need to be solved first.
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Post by: Duuring on July 01, 2018, 09:54:04 pm
I'm wondering how we can grow out the 85e, though.
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Post by: Riddlez on July 01, 2018, 11:07:36 pm
What do you mean?
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Post by: Duuring on July 02, 2018, 12:13:13 am
Well, how are we going to expand the German 85e. To be fair, we've been mostly conscripting Dutch 85e'ers. We're a pretty close-knit group, so it's hard to recruit random people.
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Post by: Riddlez on July 02, 2018, 10:17:43 pm
Well, how are we going to expand the German 85e.

Eat more.


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Post by: Olafson on July 02, 2018, 10:33:09 pm
I am fat enough.
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Post by: Duuring on July 02, 2018, 10:49:22 pm
Well, how are we going to expand the German 85e.

Eat more.

Actually I am. I have an app to count my calories. I already hate it.
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Post by: joer5835 on July 02, 2018, 11:12:49 pm
Well, how are we going to expand the German 85e.

Eat more.

Actually I am. I have an app to count my calories. I already hate it.

You have the perfect body type for a malnourished conscript, tbh. Something I can't pull off. I have the correct height however. so that's something at least.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on July 02, 2018, 11:16:16 pm
Try skipping breakfast and lunch for two weeks.
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Post by: Duuring on July 02, 2018, 11:53:03 pm
Well, that's the thing. I'm not malnourished, I just have a very good bodyweight. Overweight, to various degrees, has become the norm. There was just a lot less overweight in those days, mostly because of a suger-poor diet.

Perfect opportunity to share some of the insights I gained from Blazé's memories I just bought: French troops actually probably weren't malnourished most of the time. They were true masters in 'finding' food, and you will find plenty of accounts of them eating themselves completely full to the point where they become sick and become a casualty. Blazé describes how men would take everything they could find, spend all night making food, eat as much as they could and then just leave the rest to spoil, no matter if troops were coming behind them, and that it was common for troops to eat like kings one day and then eat absolutely nothing for the next.

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Post by: Duuring on July 09, 2018, 07:02:13 pm
Good to the the rest of the 85e is following our example.

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Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on July 09, 2018, 07:11:18 pm
Jack philosophizing... he is literally the driest man I have ever met...
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Post by: Duuring on July 09, 2018, 07:22:34 pm
We've never really spoken, so I wouldn't know. You were at Vorden? How was it?
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Post by: Riddlez on July 09, 2018, 07:47:02 pm
I actually wasn't there... wanted to, but as always my efforts were required elsehwere.
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Post by: Duuring on July 09, 2018, 08:43:30 pm
The fatherland and its people are grateful.

Yoeri, looking swell in your new uniform. Good job, especially for such a short period of time.
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Post by: joer5835 on July 10, 2018, 11:04:28 am
Yoeri, looking swell in your new uniform. Good job, especially for such a short period of time.

Some determination and a bit of stashed student loan money can get you quite far.

I'm quite pleased with it. Only thing I do miss from my equipage kit are my black woolen trousers. You wouldn't believe how incredibly comfortable those things are.

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Post by: Olafson on July 10, 2018, 12:25:59 pm
Just get some linen or white woolen trousers. They are both accurate and actually necessary for a Bardin impression.
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Post by: Duuring on July 10, 2018, 01:19:12 pm
Did they actually still issue linnen trousers after introducing the long woolen ones?
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Post by: Vincenzo on July 10, 2018, 03:20:42 pm
Yes. the overall unbleached linen trousers were the main issued item. and most comfortable on march.. the culottes were also issued. so in theory people should have both.
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Post by: Duuring on July 10, 2018, 03:39:21 pm
The culottes were abolished in the Bardin reforms and replaced with long and wider woolen trousers.

In theory, yes, we should have them. We'd just never actually wear them.
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Post by: Vincenzo on July 10, 2018, 04:08:49 pm
In winter? Underneath?
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Post by: Olafson on July 10, 2018, 05:17:01 pm
No. long woolen trousers, for all times. They are the parade trousers. The linen trousers are the campaign trousers.
Same model as the linen trousers, just made out of wool.

Bardin no longer has knee breeches because he no longer has long gaiters. The short black gaiters are suppose to be worn ontop of the trousers for parade. Ofc you can also wear them over the trousers when not in parade.

You can see both parade and non parade gear on the first drawing.
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Post by: Duuring on July 10, 2018, 09:26:40 pm
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Interesting. He seems to have his bayonet-scrabbard on the other side, with his sabre-briquet.
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Post by: Ted on July 10, 2018, 10:45:00 pm
@Duuring   Sean probably wanted to have intercourse with you, but you unknowingly turned him down by not jumping right on him when he smiled at you the other day, so he felt the need to get a distance between you two so his love wouldn't make him do illegal things when next to you in the camp. 85e split because of a tragic love story, it's all Duuring's fault and gloves were just used as an excuse.

Case closed, everything else is just fake news.
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Post by: Duuring on July 11, 2018, 01:19:10 am
@Duuring   Sean probably wanted to have intercourse with you, but you unknowingly turned him down by not jumping right on him when he smiled at you the other day, so he felt the need to get a distance between you two so his love wouldn't make him do illegal things when next to you in the camp. 85e split because of a tragic love story, it's all Duuring's fault and gloves were just used as an excuse.

Case closed, everything else is just fake news.

You're probably closer to the truth then you think.
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Post by: Olafson on July 11, 2018, 04:40:54 am
If it is true, then you have 3 options to solve the whole issue.

1.) You murder him.
2.) You have sex with him and then you murder him.
3.) Leave the murdering to me, because I really hate him by now.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Wolff on July 11, 2018, 07:28:03 pm
Why can't just all of the 85e have sex with all of the dutch 85e?
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Post by: Duuring on July 11, 2018, 07:33:11 pm
Consent.
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Post by: Ted on July 11, 2018, 08:01:07 pm
@Duuring   Sean probably wanted to have intercourse with you, but you unknowingly turned him down by not jumping right on him when he smiled at you the other day, so he felt the need to get a distance between you two so his love wouldn't make him do illegal things when next to you in the camp. 85e split because of a tragic love story, it's all Duuring's fault and gloves were just used as an excuse.

Case closed, everything else is just fake news.

You're probably closer to the truth then you think.

I'm absolutely aware of Sean's preferences, wouldn't have written that if I wasn't.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on July 11, 2018, 08:58:51 pm
How though?
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Post by: Olafson on July 11, 2018, 09:12:31 pm
Ted is Sean. TADAAMMMMMMMMMM
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Post by: Ted on July 11, 2018, 10:39:09 pm
How though?

Simple trick: By knowing people and being able to assess other people based on that.


Ted is Sean. TADAAMMMMMMMMMM

Would be kinda funny if he read these posts, imagine the outburst. Tbh, I'm actually wondering why you're discussing such things in public space, but well  ??? 
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Post by: Duuring on July 11, 2018, 11:55:20 pm
Sean is strangly oblivious of things that he doesn't care about. Like the fact he didn't realize we are our own club, and have been for what, two years now?

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imagine the outburst. Tbh, I'm actually wondering why you're discussing such things in public space, but well

Because none of this is secret. None of what we write here we have not said or would not say in public at some point. Our annoyance with the Dutch 85e and Sean in particular is known and ought to be known.
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Post by: Ted on July 12, 2018, 12:06:09 am
Sean is strangly oblivious of things that he doesn't care about. Like the fact he didn't realize we are our own club, and have been for what, two years now?

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imagine the outburst. Tbh, I'm actually wondering why you're discussing such things in public space, but well

Because none of this is secret. None of what we write here we have not said or would not say in public at some point. Our annoyance with the Dutch 85e and Sean in particular is known and ought to be known.

True point, it's kinda wide-known indeed. But it's getting pretty personal at times, that's something I myself would be a little more restrictive about. But meh, I absolutely understand and actually would back up the ideas which your points are based upon based on my knowledge (which isn't that much, but I have a rough idea of who the involved guys are), so who would I be to judge.
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Post by: Duuring on July 12, 2018, 12:11:43 am
*Ding* Oh Sorry Ted, it seems that you have reached your maximum amount of posts that you, as a non-re-enactor, are allowed to make on this subsection. Please join our re-enactment group now. All you need to do is show up at an event, not mind sleeping in the outside and shout you wish to genocide all the Dutch people all the time, and you'll fit right in.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Ted on July 12, 2018, 12:33:11 am
and shout you wish to genocide all the Dutch people all the time

I guess that might play bad politically.

And you CANNOT SILENCE THE VOICE OF THE BYSTANDERS AYE  >:(  ;D  ::)
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on July 12, 2018, 12:39:50 am
and shout you wish to genocide all the Dutch people all the time

I guess that might play bad politically.


But you're not a politician, are you?
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Post by: zac on July 13, 2018, 01:30:42 am
and shout you wish to genocide all the Dutch people all the time, and you'll fit right in.

I support this 100% , except for duuring, he can create his own communist version of Lichtenstein.
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Post by: Riddlez on July 13, 2018, 02:15:54 pm
Why can't just all of the 85e have sex with all of the dutch 85e?

To be fair it'd that way probably be better to be on the Dutch side.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on July 13, 2018, 03:23:05 pm
, except for duuring, he can create his own communist version of Lichtenstein.

You have been out of the loop for a while, my friend. Latest news is that I'm a nationalist, after I took a stance opposed to further Englishisation of Dutch universities, arguing the radical viewpoint that we should, in general, speak Dutch on Dutch universities. The days of me being called a communist are long over.

Why can't just all of the 85e have sex with all of the dutch 85e?

To be fair it'd that way probably be better to be on the Dutch side.

See, this confuses me. I think this means Riddlez would like to be in the Dutch 85e, aka, the group the German 85e has sex with. Yet the German 85e has only male members. If you say what you think you're saying Riddlez, you need not be worried: I have experience with you army boys  8)
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Post by: Riddlez on July 13, 2018, 03:36:57 pm
I nearly choked to death on my sandwich.



No I meant if I HAD to, I'd rather take one for the team with the Germans.... considering the alternative.
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Post by: Duuring on July 13, 2018, 03:39:27 pm
I nearly choked to death on my sandwich.

I aim to please

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No I meant if I HAD to, I'd rather take one for the team with the Germans.... considering the alternative.

Martyrdom is not a pleasure.
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Post by: Riddlez on July 13, 2018, 03:40:14 pm
No it's a public service
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Post by: Duuring on July 13, 2018, 03:44:58 pm
I'm more of a private service type-of-guy in this regard.
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Post by: Ted on July 13, 2018, 04:32:12 pm
and shout you wish to genocide all the Dutch people all the time

I guess that might play bad politically.


But you're not a politician, are you?

Well, I'm a partymember and currently "dat guy at university who hands out all ze money to the professors 'cuz students rule" ::) But as I'm member of a minority-wing at the moment, I could as well just go and screw it  :D
Medicine is a kinda occupying course, so RIP any kind of political career anyways.


See, this confuses me. I think this means Riddlez would like to be in the Dutch 85e, aka, the group the German 85e has sex with. Yet the German 85e has only male members. If you say what you think you're saying Riddlez, you need not be worried: I have experience with you army boys  8)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZchEyvdeb0k


You have been out of the loop for a while, my friend. Latest news is that I'm a nationalist, after I took a stance opposed to further Englishisation of Dutch universities, arguing the radical viewpoint that we should, in general, speak Dutch on Dutch universities. The days of me being called a communist are long over.

By the latest news, I'm now a nationalsocialist for not feeling bad about that 1-of-69 criminal who commited suicide after we deported him to Afghanistan.

Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on July 13, 2018, 05:03:35 pm
Well, I'm a partymember and currently "dat guy at university who hands out all ze money to the professors 'cuz students rule" ::) But as I'm member of a minority-wing at the moment, I could as well just go and screw it  :D
Medicine is a kinda occupying course, so RIP any kind of political career anyways.

Student government is basically a joke, so no, not counting.

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See, this confuses me. I think this means Riddlez would like to be in the Dutch 85e, aka, the group the German 85e has sex with. Yet the German 85e has only male members. If you say what you think you're saying Riddlez, you need not be worried: I have experience with you army boys  8)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZchEyvdeb0k

No.

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You have been out of the loop for a while, my friend. Latest news is that I'm a nationalist, after I took a stance opposed to further Englishisation of Dutch universities, arguing the radical viewpoint that we should, in general, speak Dutch on Dutch universities. The days of me being called a communist are long over.

By the latest news, I'm now a nationalsocialist for not feeling bad about that 1-of-69 criminal who commited suicide after we deported him to Afghanistan.

That doesn't make you a Nazi, just an asshole. And now that I think of it: Young, a student, German, possibly gay, likes to play Napoleonic Wars and an asshole. You're perfect for re-enactment. It's meant to be, Ted. Stop resisting.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Ted on July 13, 2018, 05:27:23 pm

Student government is basically a joke, so no, not counting.

So having about 15.000.000 Euros to play with is a joke? Dunno how it's in the Netherlands, but eh... k. But I actually need to agree, many people in these committees think that student governments were VERY IMPORTANT for the world's future (and especially their very own GREAT political career), even more important than the Model United Nations these stupid highly intellectual students of political sciences attend.

Anyways, that's just my side-kick, I'm with the CSU's pro-European wing (these guys who "sent Germany into turmoil" for enforcing laws). But meh, I'm definitely not fit for German politics as they are at the moment because I'm neither corrupt nor immoral enough, so who cares....

No.

Fuck off, Riddlez will allow me in anyways.

That doesn't make you a Nazi, just an asshole. And now that I think of it: Young, a student, German, possibly gay, likes to play Napoleonic Wars and an asshole. You're perfect for re-enactment. It's meant to be, Ted. Stop resisting.

Why even bother with "possibly"? I thought I had been open enough about that for ages lol..... Besides that: Fake news. I haven't played Napoleonic Wars for about two years, I'm just trolling the forum.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on July 13, 2018, 05:30:00 pm
Obnoxious AND socially weird. You do sound like a perfect fit for Davout's conscripts
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Ted on July 13, 2018, 05:32:40 pm
Obnoxious AND socially weird. You do sound like a perfect fit for Davout's conscripts

I'll take that as an offer. @Duuring get out, this is Riddlez' and my private forum now!
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on July 13, 2018, 05:38:11 pm

Student government is basically a joke, so no, not counting.

So having about 15.000.000 Euros to play with is a joke? Dunno how it's in the Netherlands, but eh... k. But I actually need to agree, many people in these committees think that student governments were VERY IMPORTANT for the world's future (and especially their very own GREAT political career), even more important than the Model United Nations these stupid highly intellectual students of political sciences attend.

Anyways, that's just my side-kick, I'm with the CSU's pro-European wing (these guys who "sent Germany into turmoil" for enforcing laws). But meh, I'm definitely not fit for German politics as they are at the moment because I'm neither corrupt nor immoral enough, so who cares....

It was mostly meant to trigger you  :P . I know next to nothing about German student governments, so I have nothing meaningful to say on it. I can only speak about Dutch student government, which is not called 'government' but rather 'Student Participation' which pretty much hits the nail on what it really is. We participate in the whole decision-making process, but that's about it.

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That doesn't make you a Nazi, just an asshole. And now that I think of it: Young, a student, German, possibly gay, likes to play Napoleonic Wars and an asshole. You're perfect for re-enactment. It's meant to be, Ted. Stop resisting.

Why even bother with "possibly"? I thought I had been open enough about that for ages lol.....

Wouldn't dare to assume.

Obnoxious AND socially weird. You do sound like a perfect fit for Davout's conscripts

Takes one to know one.  :-*
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on July 13, 2018, 05:46:05 pm
Takes one to know one.  :-*

True but I am neither gay nor German (so long as there is still unterschied between the two), so I don't exactly qualify
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on July 13, 2018, 05:48:24 pm
but rather 'Student Participation' which pretty much hits the nail on what it really is. We participate in the whole decision-making process, but that's about it.

Not true, I am a member of the Faculty of Military Sciences board of my particular studies and my vote is (signed by law) equal to a professor.
Same with the education commission. It's amde up of 50% students, who have equal voting power to the other board members.

And this is not just an army thing... this is law for accredited universities.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on July 13, 2018, 05:54:32 pm
Ted is the stereotype of any young re-enactor, not just specifically Les Conscrits de Davout. To qualify for that, you just need to be retarded enough to wish to actually experience as close as possible, the life of a early 19th century soldier. That's all it takes.

but rather 'Student Participation' which pretty much hits the nail on what it really is. We participate in the whole decision-making process, but that's about it.

Not true, I am a member of the Faculty of Military Sciences board of my particular studies and my vote is (signed by law) equal to a professor.
Same with the education commission. It's amde up of 50% students, who have equal voting power to the other board members.

And this is not just an army thing... this is law for accredited universities.

Not for faculties on the Radboud University. We special. And it goes beyond voting power. University Boards have a habit of ignoring the Student councils or just not taking them serious altogether. Two years ago, the University Board decided to change a rule even though it must allow the student council to take a vote on it, by law. It just ignored it, and there was nothing we could do about it. There's a reason student elections usually have a 10-15% turn-out.



We've gone fairly off-topic, so let me just get back on-topic by stating you can all follow us on Facebook. We've had this page for a while, but we've decided to give it just a little bit of extra love and attention to help foster the Napoleonic Progressive scene. We have some plans for informative videos and posts, and of course posts about events we attend. Likes are always appreciated:

https://www.facebook.com/conscrits1812/
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Millander on July 16, 2018, 12:53:44 am
Got to reenact for the first time in a while last weekend. Some friends and I are starting a campaigner unit next year for ACW. We'll be portraying the 6th US Regular Infantry in 1862. It's allot of fun doing group research on an impression.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on July 16, 2018, 01:17:49 am
Got to reenact for the first time in a while last weekend. Some friends and I are starting a campaigner unit next year for ACW. We'll be portraying the 6th US Regular Infantry in 1862. It's allot of fun doing group research on an impression.

Heey man, long time no see! Good to hear you are back in the hobby!
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duke Of LongTree on July 16, 2018, 08:02:18 pm
Got to reenact for the first time in a while last weekend. Some friends and I are starting a campaigner unit next year for ACW. We'll be portraying the 6th US Regular Infantry in 1862. It's allot of fun doing group research on an impression.

Welcome to the farb fest
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on July 20, 2018, 05:28:02 pm
My backpack has been finished. So that means I now have everything, except linen trousers and some more correct shoes.

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Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on July 20, 2018, 07:00:37 pm
Yeah but fuck shoes though
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on July 21, 2018, 12:44:41 am
Actually historical accurate shoes are very important and very visible, but ofc get your linen trousers first.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on July 21, 2018, 01:42:45 pm
I don't need period shoes to know the feeling of historically accurate hurting feet....

For real it would be one of two things I don't really feel a lot of pressure to do 100% perform... next to sleeping outside...


OKay maybe that comparison is a bit off... I bring a sleeping bag and prefer to sleep in a tent purely out of comfort as I don't like to volunteer to be cold or wet for a hobby (I also don't like it for work though :P). shoes to me are not just a thing for comfort... If it's wet, your feet will remain so for an entire weekend, which is not entire good for your feet. The shoes have no support whatsoever (for someone who needed a long time of walking in modern boots to get rid of walking on the inside of my foot, that is a problem) and I am 99% certain accurate shoes won't actually fit properly, which doesn't really help any of the points I made before... I need to take care of my feet as I will still probably need them when I am 45 and considering the line of work I have chosen for myself I try and take care of my feet as much as I can...
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duke Of LongTree on July 21, 2018, 04:04:02 pm
Ughhg mainstream problems
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on July 21, 2018, 04:54:16 pm
I don't need period shoes to know the feeling of historically accurate hurting feet....

For real it would be one of two things I don't really feel a lot of pressure to do 100% perform... next to sleeping outside...


OKay maybe that comparison is a bit off... I bring a sleeping bag and prefer to sleep in a tent purely out of comfort as I don't like to volunteer to be cold or wet for a hobby (I also don't like it for work though :P). shoes to me are not just a thing for comfort... If it's wet, your feet will remain so for an entire weekend, which is not entire good for your feet. The shoes have no support whatsoever (for someone who needed a long time of walking in modern boots to get rid of walking on the inside of my foot, that is a problem) and I am 99% certain accurate shoes won't actually fit properly, which doesn't really help any of the points I made before... I need to take care of my feet as I will still probably need them when I am 45 and considering the line of work I have chosen for myself I try and take care of my feet as much as I can...

You only work on assumptions, I can actually tell you that the historical shoes are more comfortable than most of my shoes, even my tracking boots.
The first time you put them on not exactly, they need a lot of leather fat, and then after a one event and sweating a bit in them, the leather forms exactly on your feet and they are crazy comfortable, I marched for instance 100 km in 4 days in them, and had no blisters. and no pain afterwards.

I now have historical boots for 5 years without issue, except they broke in Malta, i had a backup pair that I used on 2 events now, and they are also walked in now and very comfortable..

I understand your fear, but it is unfounded, It sounds more as an excuse to save money :P

Historical boots cost like 120 euro + shipping something like 140, its not so bad?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on July 21, 2018, 07:45:24 pm
Money is not an issue I have, so no, my fears weren't financial. What you say does change my mind though... I'll be sure to look into buying shoes as soon as it becomes relevant..

My biggest issue right now is getting a weapon's permit... I would only have my parent's place to store it.... I can't do it where I actually live considering the DoD only allows weapons to be stored in military-grade safes (which includes safety features a good deal more substantial than what is prescribed by law - I would have to build a seperate building for it, in short) and I also cannot store it in the safes we already have, because they won't allow non-service firearms to be stored alongside service firearms.

Problem is that if I'd have an event in Belgium, I'd need to go from the south all the way north and then back, just to get my weapon =| not very practical and ti is something I need to start thinking about considering I registered last August
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Ted on July 21, 2018, 08:20:28 pm
Problem is that if I'd have an event in Belgium, I'd need to go from the south all the way north and then back, just to get my weapon =| not very practical and ti is something I need to start thinking about considering I registered last August

My ancestors went through the whole of Belgium in a week while being shot at by your ancestors, I'm sure you'll be able to do it in much less time considering your current position.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on July 21, 2018, 08:53:51 pm
Problem is that if I'd have an event in Belgium, I'd need to go from the south all the way north and then back, just to get my weapon =| not very practical and ti is something I need to start thinking about considering I registered last August

My ancestors went through the whole of Belgium in a week while being shot at by your ancestors, I'm sure you'll be able to do it in much less time considering your current position.

Yes but your ancestors didn't have to care about the time as much. And I am not talking about South-Netherlands. The distance I'd have to cross is 700km in half a day.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on July 23, 2018, 11:57:45 am
Money is not an issue I have, so no, my fears weren't financial. What you say does change my mind though... I'll be sure to look into buying shoes as soon as it becomes relevant..

My biggest issue right now is getting a weapon's permit... I would only have my parent's place to store it.... I can't do it where I actually live considering the DoD only allows weapons to be stored in military-grade safes (which includes safety features a good deal more substantial than what is prescribed by law - I would have to build a seperate building for it, in short) and I also cannot store it in the safes we already have, because they won't allow non-service firearms to be stored alongside service firearms.

Problem is that if I'd have an event in Belgium, I'd need to go from the south all the way north and then back, just to get my weapon =| not very practical and ti is something I need to start thinking about considering I registered last August

About the boots, I recommend ordering them from czech republic:
http://www.umlaufshoes.com/cs/produkt/27-11817-boty-francouzke-armady

Oh bloody hell yes, weapon laws suck.
I don't have a easy answer for you what to do, except perhaps buying an original gun, which is free to throw on the wall.
If you need help buying an orig, I can arrange it for you, and repair them, it's my hobby.

Costs for an original gun are between 1000-2000 euro depending on the work needed on it and the source gun, and luck finding a cheap but good one.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on July 23, 2018, 12:02:02 pm
Can I buy a cheap shitty one and replace pretty much everything? I don't know how much the law cares about the Theseus Paradox  ;D
Anyway cheers for the offer, I will certainly consider this
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on July 23, 2018, 12:19:38 pm
Can I buy a cheap shitty one and replace pretty much everything? I don't know how much the law cares about the Theseus Paradox  ;D
Anyway cheers for the offer, I will certainly consider this
Usually I buy a gun that is perfect or near perfect and fix it up. or at least make the lock safe and firing.
Clean the barrel properly, sometimes pull out an 200 year old shot and ball.. (no joke)
And finally I shoot a heavy load with ball from a distance with a rope to check barrel strength (non blew up so far) even old thin metal is much stronger than the modern poured iron.

About the gun laws, I think as long as the Barrel is original and the lock-plate, all will be quite fine.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on July 23, 2018, 12:22:08 pm
It sounds fucking shaky to fire 200+ year old iron for some reason =P
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on July 23, 2018, 12:36:56 pm
They shoot better, are lighter and much better balanced. Original stuff is awesome.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on July 23, 2018, 01:14:18 pm
For muskets, the barrel is key. As long as the barrel is original, and you can prove to the authorities that it is original, you should be safe to replace everything else. Doubt they'd even notice it if you replaced stuff like the lock or the ramrod. Most police offiers that came to my house to check my musket didn't even know what a fucking musket was beforehand. 
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on July 23, 2018, 01:48:03 pm
Sounds like a good deal then, to get an original... I'll definitely consider it.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on July 23, 2018, 02:48:04 pm
I've also been suggested to buy an original musket, to circumvent the whole Dutch 85e-bullshit, but I just don't have the 1500 euro for it laying around anywhere at this stage of my life. Also I don't think it completely circumvents the issue anyway.

We just had a nice, chill fortification event in France as East-Prussian Landwehr. We'll upload some photo's soon.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on July 23, 2018, 04:32:04 pm
You can buy good quality originals for 500-600 euro in France if you are lucky. You just need to keep checking the offers.

Vince and I bought 2 Originals in one go for just 600 there, I believe he is still using one of them.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on July 23, 2018, 05:00:32 pm
Also I don't think it completely circumvents the issue anyway.

The only way they can check in what year the weapon has been made is by checking the barrel inscription... So long as the weapon has been produced before 1870 it's excempted from the WWM.



EDIT: to be sure I am live on the phone with the Government infromation desk =P

EDIT EDIT: He didn't know, he directed me to Justis, a government legal advise bureau where you can go for questions about the WWM, and where you get the weapon permits
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on July 23, 2018, 05:06:57 pm
I know, that's not what I meant. Some events only grant permits that allow us to shoot on the event terrain with the specific demand that all re-enactors are members of LPLG groups (or are foreigners). Loevestein, for example, does this. Mind you, the Dutch 85e breaks this law all the time, but that's not really the point.

You can buy good quality originals for 500-600 euro in France if you are lucky. You just need to keep checking the offers.

Vince and I bought 2 Originals in one go for just 600 there, I believe he is still using one of them.

That sounds more like it.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on July 23, 2018, 05:20:56 pm
I know, that's not what I meant. Some events only grant permits that allow us to shoot on the event terrain with the specific demand that all re-enactors are members of LPLG groups (or are foreigners). Loevestein, for example, does this. Mind you, the Dutch 85e breaks this law all the time, but that's not really the point.

Yes but isn't the 85e part of the LPLG, so for me it wouldn't matter... another story with you though =P It doesn't change the status of firearm regulation...
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on July 23, 2018, 06:07:26 pm
You can buy good quality originals for 500-600 euro in France if you are lucky. You just need to keep checking the offers.

Vince and I bought 2 Originals in one go for just 600 there, I believe he is still using one of them.

That sounds more like it.
Well thats true, one of them was completely unusable and the other is very very broken and I used it for a year (it has a manual how to use) and is now hanging on my wall doing nothing.
The lock is fine. the barrel itself is fine, things dont fit together good and after 10 shots it just stops working properly because fouling falls into the lock, (barrel and lock dont fit together properly) and that's that.. Maybe its fixable but I was unable..

In general sure you need to be lucky, but that example of a gun is seriously fucked up.. if you want a decent gun i think 1000 is what you have to spend quite quickly.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on July 23, 2018, 08:45:41 pm
The Carbine was perfectly usable, I just had no use for it. I sold it for 400 bucks.

About your gun, fair enough. I guess for 300 euro it is still an okay deal though.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: zac on July 24, 2018, 01:33:18 pm
The one thing I am proud of down here is that we have a total ban on using original muskets at events...pistols etc are another story but muskets njet. Too many issues in the 1980's etc besides the fact that in most cases they 'belong in a museum'. Pedersoli all the way
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on July 24, 2018, 01:53:39 pm
The one thing I am proud of down here is that we have a total ban on using original muskets at events...pistols etc are another story but muskets njet. Too many issues in the 1980's etc besides the fact that in most cases they 'belong in a museum'. Pedersoli all the way
It's silly, and orig in good condition is actually more safe than most of the replicas people are running around with on events, like those from India/Pakistan.
Also Pedersoli is not some Holy company, I have personally seen Pedersoli guns break.
Also the Pedersoli replica's are having quite some inaccuracies, they are much too thick and too heavy compared to the orig guns.
The orig metal is much much stronger than the modern poured metal. You will be surprised.
The general idea in any case is that if people take care about their guns properly, use proper drill so they don't try to shoot 8 loads or their ramrod, things should be safe.

The story about those guns belonging in the museum also makes no sense, they were made to shoot, and that's what we do with them.
There are plenty of old guns laying around in peoples private ownership, and museums are filled with musket, a museum local to Olaf for instance has 40 muskets in the archive and only display the two best looking ones, it's senseless to claim they should all be in museums.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: zac on July 24, 2018, 02:08:59 pm
Firstly I agree within say the context of using original french/european muskets as those that have survived would generally be in atleast a somewhat decent state. Here though it's different as the Brown Bess was being used well into the 1860's.

and I agree in part, but here as mentioned before the choice is India/Pakistan or Pedersoli. And trust me, we see just as much issues with Pedersoli here, but they produce the best short pattern bess there is. The quality is also unmatched for the price

I forgot most of my fellow Anglo's have escaped from here so I do apologise. That was more of a sarcastic meme than anything :p ..although my ' official' position should my masters professor ever find this is that they all indeed belong in museums :P

I probably should have put a notice that most of my comments were within the context of Australia.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on July 24, 2018, 03:06:47 pm
Btw. I saw beginnings of your new uniform on Facebook and its looking pretty noice.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on July 25, 2018, 03:40:01 pm
Alright so I just gfot off the phone with Justis. This is information that is relevant to the Dutch:

The exemption from the LAw on Weapons and Ammunuitions for 'classical firearms' (produced prior to 1870) only applies to handing over (overdragen), transportation, possession and having access to (voorhanden hebben) the firearm in question. Usage, modification e.g. do NOT fall under this exemption, so a permit is required.

This not only seems to apply to actually firing the weapon but also using it on an event anyway...
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on July 25, 2018, 04:14:47 pm
Obviously, in the NL Flintlocks are not exempt from the license to use/carry. In Germany for example they are exempt from it, which means that I can legally carry a Flintlock anywhere I want.

This is why on events in the NL the organization has to request (and pretty much always does) a special carry license for firearms for the area of the event/day. I.e. as long as you go to properly organized events it is totally legal to carry your firearm.
This does obviously not include firing your firearm. You need a license to do that in the NL (Unless you are on a firing range) (If you are Dutch). Additionally the organizor also needs to request the license to fire on the event. Unless you have both your personal and the events license you can not shoot your gun. You are totally fine to shoot outside of the NL though. (Ofc. again depending on the country the organization has to request a license for that, but no personal license is required)
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on July 25, 2018, 04:49:36 pm
I thought firing fell under the event permit? If not, we might as well stop re-enacting in the Netherlands altogether.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on July 25, 2018, 05:08:34 pm
I am pretty sure you need a blackpowder license for that?

And why? All non Dutch can easily shoot there, the dutch just do not fire. Not the end of the world. Besides, no one ever checks this shit anyway.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on July 25, 2018, 05:28:50 pm
Besides, no one ever checks this shit anyway.

You are right on that part.

I thought firing fell under the event permit? If not, we might as well stop re-enacting in the Netherlands altogether.

Technically it does not. In most cases, event permits specifically state they only apply to people with licenses and who are part of an LPLG affiliated reenactment unit. It's not an either or system but a checklist of things that all have to be in order.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on July 25, 2018, 05:38:58 pm
Besides, no one ever checks this shit anyway.

Until something goes wrong... It seldom does, but you really do not want to be that guy... illegal firearm usage is not something that is generally gotten away with easily.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on July 25, 2018, 05:52:39 pm
Aye. But you should be totally fine with purchasing and using an original gun.

Handling blackpowder without license is like 250 euro fine over here in Germany, so its doable. No idea what it is in the NL. Either way, don't shoot in the NL and you are fine. Or get a gun/blackpowder license.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on July 25, 2018, 05:57:20 pm
Aye. But you should be totally fine with purchasing and using an original gun.

Handling blackpowder without license is like 250 euro fine over here in Germany, so its doable. No idea what it is in the NL.

Confiscation of your firearm and your name being included on a list of people that are not allowed to handle firearms at all.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on July 25, 2018, 07:54:36 pm
So when are we coup'ing Sean and taking over the Dutch 85e to grant me a licence?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on July 25, 2018, 09:02:43 pm
I guess never? We do not have enough "seats".
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on July 25, 2018, 09:45:40 pm
You and I don't have the same definition of a coup.

*gun-cocking sound in the background*


Seriously though, I honestly don't know what to do. The whole situation is just incredibly silly. One man and his personal dislike of me means not being able to re-enact in the Netherlands. I'll admit, I was hoping for a little more support from the rest of the Dutch 85e, but I guess I should have seen it coming anyway.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Cara on July 25, 2018, 11:28:28 pm
Les Conscrits de Davout are all over my timeline !!
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on July 25, 2018, 11:36:09 pm
We have been promoting, yes.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on July 26, 2018, 01:01:11 pm
I honestly don't know what to do.

Can't you just align yourself with another group? State pretty openly you need a gun license but cannot find a Dutch group to align yourself with... if you are prepared to pay contribution for them they might not care.

Wouldn't be the first time things like this happen... this is done in plenty of sports where a license is required to practice it (in fact I am in suich a construction myself)... wouldn't be surprised if this is also the case in Re-enactment.
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Post by: Vincenzo on July 26, 2018, 01:36:53 pm
Riddlez, you underestimate reenactment politics and groups.
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Post by: Duuring on July 26, 2018, 01:52:54 pm
"Sure you can become a member just for your licence, you'll just have to buy a uniform of our impression and join us for at least three events per year because forcing people to do our impression is the only way we can grow"
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on July 26, 2018, 04:10:05 pm
"Sure you can become a member just for your licence, you'll just have to buy a uniform of our impression and join us for at least three events per year because forcing people to do our impression is the only way we can grow"
this.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Wolff on July 26, 2018, 06:32:56 pm
Again I ask myself wtf is wrong with the dutch people? As we know from serveral fse threads they were and still are the worst nazis in history, they eat unbearable sweet stuff and they got an idiotic gun law
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Zebaad on July 27, 2018, 12:42:54 pm
Idk how it works in the Netherlands but it is possibly to acquire a licence external of a reenactment group for reenactment purposes in the UK (I think), if that is the case, just get it directly, and then you won't have any issues?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on July 27, 2018, 02:08:10 pm
That is precisely what is not possible.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Cara on July 28, 2018, 10:44:16 am
I think you need to become french then Duuring.
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Post by: Ted on July 28, 2018, 01:02:01 pm
reenactment politics

This word makes me chuckle. Induces the picture of utterly failed persons in semi-historical uniforms thinking about how they can build up their own illusion of power in a parallel world.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on July 28, 2018, 04:08:34 pm
It's a sad truth.

Most people that I know though dont care and only want to have fun, but you always have those 2 3 guys in every group especially those with rank or those that lead the group in some way, and they are very iffy.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on July 28, 2018, 04:22:20 pm
It doesn't help that most groups are split-offs from others. Re-enactment politics isn't, or at least shouldn't, be a completely negative term. Where people come together with a common interest or goal, there will be politics. There is debat, deals, trade-offs and conflict. The mistake people make is that we should all be friends. We don't have to and we never will, but we can set aside differences, personal or 'professional' to reach a goal.

That being said, re-enactment politics in the Netherlands is especially cancerous because there is simply no way to distance yourself from the main 'branch' of re-enactment due to gun laws. The NAN is a great organisation until you find yourself at odds with its 'leadership' which have been the same people for two decades. I have no interest to get involved with those people again, but that basically means no re-enacting for me in the Netherlands. Nor for any of our other Dutch members.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Zebaad on August 09, 2018, 09:00:47 am
Anyone know a good Tailor eu? I'm after setup similar to this;
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15thC Germany
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Post by: Riddlez on August 24, 2018, 05:40:56 pm
Anyone know a good Tailor eu? I'm after setup similar to this;
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15thC Germany

I am pretty sure in today's day and age you could pull that off on the streets of any city. Why not look online to see if Louis Vuitton sells it?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on August 24, 2018, 07:30:24 pm
Also look if they have canes for old man Riddlez.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on August 24, 2018, 08:04:26 pm
Only if it has a sword inside it
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on August 24, 2018, 08:13:41 pm
You don't need a sword in your cane to wave it angrily at the damn youth of today.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on August 24, 2018, 08:25:54 pm
You don't need a sword in your cane to wave it angrily at the damn youth of today.

But having a sword in it does allow you to challenge people to duels, though.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on August 24, 2018, 08:35:51 pm
You don't need a sword in your cane to wave it angrily at the damn youth of today.

They'll never bother you again if you do though
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on August 24, 2018, 08:37:20 pm
You don't need a sword in your cane to wave it angrily at the damn youth of today.

They'll never bother you again if you do though

Fair point.

You don't need a sword in your cane to wave it angrily at the damn youth of today.

But having a sword in it does allow you to challenge people to duels, though.

Riddlez will be an officer. He'll never challenge the likes of you and me to a duel, simple soldiers rank lower on the social ladder. He'll just have us shot.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: joer5835 on August 24, 2018, 09:04:04 pm
We're educated privates, I'm sure we can pass off as officers or gentlemen with the right stolen uniforms.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on August 26, 2018, 10:01:32 am
No you wouldn't. You really wouldn't  ;D ;D ;D

Educated privates are basically Premium cannon fodder that aill make sergeant if they manage to stay alive
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on August 26, 2018, 11:59:33 am
We're all cannonfodder, and junior officers are just there to replace people who are actually important. None of us matter, Riddlez.  :'(
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on August 26, 2018, 06:48:40 pm
But if junior officers replace people that are important does that not make them important too?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on August 26, 2018, 07:03:17 pm
Not until something kills or incapacitates the important person.

Like, literally, is the second lieutenant ever mentioned in the drill book apart from the one sentence explaining where he stands?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: zac on September 03, 2018, 09:36:56 am
*sips tea*



>I bayoneted a eucalyptus tree the other day and my bayonet lug broke off :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on September 03, 2018, 10:14:18 am
Corps Sutler uniforms arent to bad though. If you tell him what he has to do in exact detail I am sure he could make coats that are okay. Only his wool sucks.

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>I bayoneted a eucalyptus tree the other day and my bayonet lug broke off :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
We also have a gun where that happened. It was leaning against something and decided to fall over, and bam the bayonet lug broke off. Fucking sucks.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: zac on September 03, 2018, 10:29:38 am
I agree mostly. His stuff has improved alot since the 2010's.. however for anyone doing redcoats it's still an issue despite his cut improving...the red is horrible..but, we March on!

Ouch, this is why we need plug bayonets lol
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on September 03, 2018, 10:40:39 am
I agree mostly. His stuff has improved alot since the 2010's.. however for anyone doing redcoats it's still an issue despite his cut improving...the red is horrible..but, we March on!

Ouch, this is why we need plug bayonets lol

Ib4 the plug breaks off and renders the gun completely useless.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: zac on September 03, 2018, 10:46:01 am
You can always use the stock as a last resort :p ...Lock stock and barrel  ::)
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on September 04, 2018, 11:06:20 pm
>looks at other time periods and how authenticity+actually doing events = new recruits and stuff

Very true. The Progressive scene holds the future.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on September 29, 2018, 06:10:14 pm
Like the apparant lack of instruction how to make a musket pyramid.

Did French regiments of the First Empire ever carry musket racks with their baggage on maneuvers or campaign? I ask because in Russian, "pyramid" can refer to either an impromptu stack of weapons like you're referring to, or to an actual built piece of carpentry for the purpose of neatly storing weapons. The prescribed equipment tables of 1798 and 1802 allot each infantry company two such racks and the infantry regulations assign them a place in the regimental camp between the company's tents and their "place of arms" where they assemble in formation. Banners and drums could also be placed in rests but those were not provided for by the state. If the musket racks were not available, they would fall back on the improvised piled arms.

At formal guard posts in towns and garrisons, the positions of individual sentries even had their own musket rests (short wooden posts with a notch cut in the top). In fact, the regulations even call for these to be planted outside the tents of generals in the field and at key positions around a camp's exterior, but understandably it was ignored in practice.

Alright, thanks.

If you were curious what I meant by individual stands or rests for sentries, here are some illustrations:
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Bluehawk if you are reading this, remember this talk we had?

I got new information that the French did indeed have stands similar to the Russian stands you showed us. However, this does not make the way of forming a "Pyramid" out of muskets wrong as it would surely have happened when not in an actual camp (more permanent camp) as evidenced by period drawing showing Musket "Pyramids".
Anyway it looks like at the end of the day, when there was a more permanent camp was to be formed, officers were to instruct some men to go to the woods, hack down some trees and make muskets stands.
Each stand was supposed to be large enough for one company, so each company would have its own stand, all next to each other like in the line of battle. They were supposed to have "roof" too, to protect the guns a little bit. Official orders say that the roof was to be made out of branches and straw, but the illustrations below shows wooden planks as roof.

Here are is a period illustration:
(https://abload.de/img/faiszixwldd8.jpg)

Now here is a period illustration I had for a long time, but I always thought that the guns are just stacked on themself. I always thought that the reason why it looks so strange and symetrical is just because the artist was lazy, but I now believe that it is indeed showing the musket racks/stands as described above and it is simply missing the roof.
(https://abload.de/img/13047782_992697244146qyfah.jpg)
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Bluehawk on September 30, 2018, 02:13:45 am
Neat.

The British had similar tents to the French ones you showed, at least in the mid-18th century and American Revolution. They were referred to in English as "bells of arms" due to their shape.
https://books.google.ca/books?id=ed1hAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA30#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://www.nwta.com/courier/4-96/racks.html
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on October 01, 2018, 06:54:38 pm
Is there any evidence of gay fraternizing in the French Imperial army?

I have always wondered... such a lot of men, surely a lot were gay... I guess proof of this would be executions for unholy conduct... but I wonder.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on October 01, 2018, 07:41:47 pm
Homosexuality was practially no longer a crime after the French Revolution. It probably happened, but people most likely still kept quiet about it.
Also, the French Army did not execute that much. Most charges resulted in a prison sentence. They also did not use the whip, unlike the British for example.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Penal_Code_of_1791
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: 33rdKincaid on October 04, 2018, 04:41:56 pm
Now here is a period illustration I had for a long time, but I always thought that the guns are just stacked on themself. I always thought that the reason why it looks so strange and symetrical is just because the artist was lazy, but I now believe that it is indeed showing the musket racks/stands as described above and it is simply missing the roof.
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Must've seen this a dozen times and never noticed - that's fantastic; I suppose any situation when a French company was static enough to have canvas or proper shelters it would also most likely have stands, interesting!!
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on October 04, 2018, 08:27:03 pm
This set of drawings is overall very nice. Not for the uniforms it depicts, but for the detail of the stuff in the background... Several of the drawings show stuff that you can not see anywhere else.
I just wish I had the orignal drawings available, the colors on this one seem to be repainted.
I had a book of all of the drawings in Quatre Bras, but someone stole it... Fucking sucks.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Cara on October 08, 2018, 03:09:46 pm
I have a book of original drawnings (like a hundred). Here are two of camp life  :D

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Took them with my phone so not the best quality. If you want I will send you scans.
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Post by: joer5835 on October 08, 2018, 03:59:12 pm
That's a lot of moustaches in that second pic
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Post by: Olafson on October 08, 2018, 04:12:49 pm
I have a book of original drawnings (like a hundred). Here are two of camp life  :D

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Took them with my phone so not the best quality. If you want I will send you scans.

Ooooh what series is this?
I never saw them, but they are great. Are you sure they are period though? I see something that looks like 1836 on the 2nd one. Ofc. the 1836 army is very similiar to the NW army, and if the guy lived during the NW wars, it can still be quite accurate. Especially if they are based on sketches. The very square backpacks also seem like postwar backpacks to me, the Bardin backpack (as far as I know) never made it into service during the NW period. But that could just be the way they are packed...

That second drawing clearly shows the camp kettle again, Duuring. Also looks like same size and everything as ours. First drawing also has them on the center right. You can also see the low support arms pose in the back of the 2nd one. And the first drawing clearly shows something that looks like blankets.... First time I have seen blankets on non Cav guys. But for this one Abrams drawing.

Also some of the guys seem to be using (what looks to me) sticks to keep the rolls upright when carrying the backpack.

That's a lot of moustaches in that second pic

Yes, they are grenadiers (or voltiguers, but definetly some kind of elite), so a moustache is pretty much a must have.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Riddlez on October 08, 2018, 04:20:19 pm
It isn't called a mustache for nothing, Olaf
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Cara on October 08, 2018, 05:49:52 pm

Ooooh what series is this?
I never saw them, but they are great. Are you sure they are period though? I see something that looks like 1836 on the 2nd one. Ofc. the 1836 army is very similiar to the NW army, and if the guy lived during the NW wars, it can still be quite accurate. Especially if they are based on sketches. The very square backpacks also seem like postwar backpacks to me, the Bardin backpack (as far as I know) never made it into service during the NW period. But that could just be the way they are packed...

That second drawing clearly shows the camp kettle again, Duuring. Also looks like same size and everything as ours. First drawing also has them on the center right. You can also see the low support arms pose in the back of the 2nd one. And the first drawing clearly shows something that looks like blankets.... First time I have seen blankets on non Cav guys. But for this one Abrams drawing.


Also some of the guys seem to be using (what looks to me) sticks to keep the rolls upright when carrying the backpack.


It's a "best of" done by the printer Duchesne around 1840. I was very lucky to find it in a shithole flea market... for almost nothing. There is like an hundred of prints from 1800 to 1840. The one of the camp is dated from 1836 indeed, which is pretty close from the time, we can easily imagine the author did witness it from his own eyes. Some prints are showing the revolutionary army but most of them are post-Bardin : 1813 campaign and Waterloo. However, it's indeed the NW army and not the 1836 one, we can see the 1810 eagles on the shakos. But a lot of them have a bonnet de police and not a pokalem.

It could be interesting to test in the reality to do a similar construction for the huts, we can see sticks across the hut in order to suspend their gibernes...

More (only the ones on my laptop)

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That's a lot of moustaches in that second pic

Yes, they are grenadiers (or voltiguers, but definetly some kind of elite), so a moustache is pretty much a must have.
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Seems both. Some have a horn on their retroussis, some a grenade. Even if some voltigeurs had a mix grenade/horn retroussis...
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Wolff on October 12, 2018, 02:32:01 pm
So who will be in Leipzig this year?
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on October 12, 2018, 02:47:06 pm
So who will be in Leipzig this year?
I was going but i fucked the dates.
guys from our group are going, and even one of my polish friends.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Duuring on October 12, 2018, 09:32:49 pm
I wonder what the internal design of those huts are. I really like the small details of such camp scenes, like the row of cooking pots next to the fire and the hut made out of planks which is probably for officers.

I'm coming to Leipzig. Vince is an idiot.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Cara on October 15, 2018, 10:48:20 am
Olaf and Duuring, I got this from the memories of Rillet, second lieutenant, 1st company 1st Cuirassiers (p113-115)



"Les uns courent de la cave au grenier, les autres enlèvent du fourrage, des meubles, une quantité d'objets inutiles ou superflus. De retour au bivouac, on s'occupe d'abord à planter des piquets pour attacher les chevaux [...] Pendant ce temps, on allume les feux et on fait cuire la soupe, ordinairement chaque escouade ou brigade fait un feu séparé en arrière des chevaux. Les officiers, les cavaliers qui leur sont attachés, se placent en arrière de la troupe et font ménage commun; souvent faute d'ustensiles on ne peut faire la soupe; mais, lorsque le marché est bien pourvu sous tous les rapports, chacun, sans distinction de grade, travaille au repas; l'un apprête la viande, l'autre arrange les légumes ou fait le feu. Ceux qui n'ont aucun talent de cuisine vont chercher des matériaux pour construire un abri. Ce n'est autre chose que de la paille disposée sur des perches inclinées selon le côté d'où souffle le vent et d'où vient la pluie. Personne n'est inactif; officiers et soldats travaillent en commun; le besoin rapproche les gra-des et les conditions. Le soir on s'étend sur la paille quand on en a, ayant pour couverture le ciel et pour veilleuses les étoiles, et-l'on dort d'un bon sommeil, si toutefois quelque alerte nocturne ou un service de ronde, de patrouille, que sais-je, ne vient l'interrompre.
Voilà quelle était notre vie de chaque jour. "

Some interesting stuff :

- first thing done the fires, one for each "escouade" (10-12 men) and one for the officers only.

- then cooking the soup : everyone is doing it with no distinction of ranks "Need brings ranks and conditions closer, to work for the common good"

- the ones with no cooking skills are building the hut "it's only some straw on sticks. The orientation is depending of wind and rain direction. " "When we don't have straw, we lie on the ground with the sky as a blanket and the stars as night lights"
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Post by: Riddlez on October 15, 2018, 12:51:49 pm
"all ranks"... that bullshit line stops being valid after the rank of Captain
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Post by: Duuring on October 15, 2018, 04:58:02 pm
I have trouble reading this sentence:

"Les officiers, les cavaliers qui leur sont attachés, se placent en arrière de la troupe et font ménage commun; souvent faute d'ustensiles on ne peut faire la soupe; mais, lorsque le marché est bien pourvu sous tous les rapports, chacun, sans distinction de grade, travaille au repas."

What I'm reading is that the officers and their soldier-servants (blazé also describes this practise) had their own fire, but did not have cooking gear (that makes sense, as that was issued to sections). But then I don't understand how they make their food?

Blazé describes sleeping next to a fire while a man is cooking on the same fire for the soldiers. But, despite sleeping there, he specifically does not eat from the same soup. Although that might have to do with there being mice in the soup...

"all ranks"... that bullshit line stops being valid after the rank of Captain

Blazé somewhere talkes about how men are all egalitarians until you give them the chance to be above the others. I don't think he felt he was better then the rank-and-file, but just that the fact that he was above them made his life a little more comfortable and that was reason enough.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Cara on October 18, 2018, 06:01:27 pm
You understood the sentence right, they "often lack cooking gear" but "when the market is well provided on all accounts, everyone, without rank distinction, is working for the meal".

Even during the Empire, the army was deeply republican : as you know (even if Blazé was in a special position) most of the officers in 1808-1810 were former 1792 volunteers and raised from the ranks. Then they did not have a preferential treatment in camp (except indeed for the etat-major starting at brigade or maybe regiment level).

I think they somewhat have cooking gear issued to their "officer section", maybe bought at their own common expense. The sentence is implying that they are supposed to receive a cooking gear but it is often lacking (due to regiments moving too fast for the Army logistics) and then they can't make the soup and are relying on generosity from their men or on their hability to buy food from the locals.

"all ranks"... that bullshit line stops being valid after the rank of Captain

Really depend the regiments and the time.
1789-1804 : all ranks, there is no question about it
1804-1812 : all ranks under colonel, a lot of officers coming from the ranks and did not forgot about it (huge difference with reenacting lol). Read Vigo-Roussillon about it for an example
1812-1815 : most of the veterans officers are dead in Russia or retired, a lot of young officers are then issued from the new military academies and are from nobles families. A definitive gap has widened between the ranks and the file...
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Millander on August 20, 2019, 02:43:33 am
Have y'all ever lost interest in reenacting? I was really into it in high school but after being in college for a few years I've lost interest. At least in my area, it's always the same events with little variety. Also the weekends in the first and discomfort got old for me. Many of my friends are still in it though and I want to get back into the hobby once I finish school.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Vincenzo on August 20, 2019, 10:38:33 am
I've had ups and downs, It's not as exciting as before but you can make it better by variety, same events every year get boring.

Difirent periods, harder conditions and marching and so on stay fun.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: 33rdKincaid on August 20, 2019, 10:41:30 am
Would definitely agree with trying a new period and/or impression.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: Olafson on August 20, 2019, 11:45:12 pm
Just trying to actually get a proper impression and do all the stuff correctly is enough variation.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: 33rdKincaid on August 21, 2019, 09:12:49 am
Depends to a certain extent your unit though; trying to turn a casual unit progressive is something you can struggle with to no avail for years. To be fair I like abit've a mix of the two, so will go play with different units/periods to get what I'm after - units themselves 99% of the time won't change.
Title: Re: Let's discuss: Reenacting!
Post by: George385 on August 23, 2019, 04:54:49 am
i stopped a couple years ago because other commitments got too much in the way. sold all my gear but still get invited to the occasional event. enjoyed my time in it for the most part.