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Off Topic / MOVED: Religious Acceptance thread (hot banter edition 3.0)
« on: January 07, 2015, 09:47:18 pm »63
Off Topic / Thread Shut-down.
« on: January 07, 2015, 09:37:31 pm »
All the threads I've shut down have been nothing but a continuous stream of personal insults. You can discuss off-topic matters in the off-topic section, as long as you discuss the matter at hand, not how autistic another poster behaves or how annoying left-wingers are.
What will happen with the threads will be discussed. Do not open new threads with the same subject until the old ones have been re-opened or removed.
What will happen with the threads will be discussed. Do not open new threads with the same subject until the old ones have been re-opened or removed.
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Off Topic / MOVED: Sheogorath's Favorites Throughout History.
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Off Topic / VATNIK - Putin Kyhlo! Enter this thread - FSE Commands it!
« on: December 23, 2014, 01:13:09 am »Ladies and Gentleman, Boys and Girls.
Are you tired of this Russian dude annoying the entire world with his ego-complex?
Are you wishing for the opportunity to express your annoyance and hatred towards this dude?
Do you have about 25 dollars to spare? (Or less if you like the project and want to support it!)
THEN LOOK NO FURTHER!
VATNIK: The Putin Voodoo Magnet
(Pin some pins on that Khylo)
This project is officially supported by FSE (Cos Vince said so). Come on people! We got nine days! Send this link to your mates, your friends, your brothers-from-another-mother, your sisters-from-another-mister, your parents, grandparents, great-grandparents, nephews, nieces, cousins, 2nd cousins, uncles, anyone who you can think of! Who doesn't love something like this?
It's a perfect gift for Christmas! 2015
So wait no longer and take this wonderful opportunity to support both Ukraine in her immense struggle, and get one of these awesome things upon which you can spread all your hatred, annoyance, stress or just weird kind of humor upon!
Слава Україні! Героям слава!
Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!
Are you tired of this Russian dude annoying the entire world with his ego-complex?
Are you wishing for the opportunity to express your annoyance and hatred towards this dude?
Do you have about 25 dollars to spare? (Or less if you like the project and want to support it!)
THEN LOOK NO FURTHER!
VATNIK: The Putin Voodoo Magnet
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(Pin some pins on that Khylo)
This project is officially supported by FSE (Cos Vince said so). Come on people! We got nine days! Send this link to your mates, your friends, your brothers-from-another-mother, your sisters-from-another-mister, your parents, grandparents, great-grandparents, nephews, nieces, cousins, 2nd cousins, uncles, anyone who you can think of! Who doesn't love something like this?
It's a perfect gift for Christmas! 2015
So wait no longer and take this wonderful opportunity to support both Ukraine in her immense struggle, and get one of these awesome things upon which you can spread all your hatred, annoyance, stress or just weird kind of humor upon!
Слава Україні! Героям слава!
Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!
FSE Donators so far (In order to get on the list, you need to show proof that you have indeed donated)
Duuring
Vincenzo
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Vincenzo
You?
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Off Topic / 9N2014 - Catalonia and its non-binding referendum
« on: November 09, 2014, 06:00:47 pm »
Today the Catalonian Government has organized a non-binding referendum (or a poll, whatever you would like to name it). I've followed the news concerning Catalonia for the past few weeks and I found the development most interesting. The Russians, unsurprisingly, have given it a lot of media attention and RussiaToday actually said that the referendum was 'defying' Madrid, even though nothing forbids the Catalonian government from organizing a poll. Of course, Russia only stands to benefit from Catalonia seceding; Europa will have increased instability and they can claim Crimea also had the same right to self-determination.
That being said, let's keep this discussion mostly centered around Catalonia itself. Do we have any Catalonians/Spaniards wishing to share their view? What do other (non-)Europeans think of it? Does anyone think it will become a violent affair? Discuss!
For anyone who needs some extra reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_self-determination_referendum,_2014
For following the procedure on twitter, use the hashtag '#9N2014'.
Could someone who speaks Spanish or Catalan translate the voting bills?
That being said, let's keep this discussion mostly centered around Catalonia itself. Do we have any Catalonians/Spaniards wishing to share their view? What do other (non-)Europeans think of it? Does anyone think it will become a violent affair? Discuss!
For anyone who needs some extra reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_self-determination_referendum,_2014
For following the procedure on twitter, use the hashtag '#9N2014'.
Could someone who speaks Spanish or Catalan translate the voting bills?
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Historical Reenactment / Waterloo 2015 - Well well well...
« on: June 18, 2014, 11:38:52 pm »
So, today was the first day of Waterloo registration. As some of you might know, and some of you might not, it went disastrous. While I have not seen the document myself, I've heard from several who did that it's a badly written and unclear document, with a variety of stupid questions like 'How will you arrive, and at what hour exactly?'. As if we know that, a year in advance. Registration is individual, as opposed to with a group. Some say it's to scare away 'one-timers', but officials have said this is due to 'safety reasons'., On top of that, the site went down, presumably due to an overload of registration.
What we do know is that the event will be highly guarded - Re-enactors will get an armband that will be scanned before being allowed on to the battlefield. No armband, no entry on to the battlefield. People will also have background-checks run on them; once again, safety reasons. It would seem that a high amount of 'important' folk are going to spectate the battlefield, all of which are either related to some high duke present at the battle and therefor obviously necessary for the event, or politician and royals who suddenly care really much about this period and history in general.
We must arrive at 16 or 17 June, while the event doesn't start until the 18th, with only a 'memorial service'. 19th and 20th are battles and 21st is a parade. As one friend said 'It because means being an unpaid extra for 4 days in the most commercial event ever'.
Several people here already responded, but we have several Waterloo'ers that have not let themselves heard yet; most importantly our favorite Australian Zac - How are guys handling this out there? And in general; your opinions and expectations?
What we do know is that the event will be highly guarded - Re-enactors will get an armband that will be scanned before being allowed on to the battlefield. No armband, no entry on to the battlefield. People will also have background-checks run on them; once again, safety reasons. It would seem that a high amount of 'important' folk are going to spectate the battlefield, all of which are either related to some high duke present at the battle and therefor obviously necessary for the event, or politician and royals who suddenly care really much about this period and history in general.
We must arrive at 16 or 17 June, while the event doesn't start until the 18th, with only a 'memorial service'. 19th and 20th are battles and 21st is a parade. As one friend said 'It because means being an unpaid extra for 4 days in the most commercial event ever'.
Several people here already responded, but we have several Waterloo'ers that have not let themselves heard yet; most importantly our favorite Australian Zac - How are guys handling this out there? And in general; your opinions and expectations?
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Historical Discussion / Helmet question (Okay, have at it)
« on: January 08, 2014, 07:07:23 pm »
Hey guys!
A friend of mine recently bought an helmet and we are not entire sure what model it is. He thinks it's a Spanish M44, some people said it might be Spanish civil war, or something else
So, what do you guys think? I'm sure there are some experts walking around here.
A friend of mine recently bought an helmet and we are not entire sure what model it is. He thinks it's a Spanish M44, some people said it might be Spanish civil war, or something else
So, what do you guys think? I'm sure there are some experts walking around here.
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Historical Discussion / P.G. Van Os - Paintings from the Liberation war
« on: May 19, 2013, 09:40:34 pm »
Someone requested I shared the lot of them, so here it goes. I made this post earlier on another forum, so yeey for copy+Paste.
The paintings are presumably as accurate as can be in the time - The artist, P. G. van Os, had been present for the entirety of the war and had kept a big sketchbook, which he used to make a set of paintings in 1816. If anything, the colours he used may not always be 100% correct. I'm afraid you'll have to do with 98% accuracy.
Firstly, here are the three paintings he made of cossacks. The lovely irregular winter uniform, little horses and lances are shown very well.
This shows the cossacks arriving in Utrecht on the 28th of November 1813, a sign for the Utrecht rebels to...well, start rebelling! It was a gift for the Tsar, which was quite happy with it - He sent an expensive ring to Van Os as a sign of gratitude.
Now, moving on to something more of my interest. Many of my steamfriends have already been spammed with these.
They depict the Dutch besiegers of the (French-held) fortresscity of Naarden, Holland. I found them rather interesting, seeing their weapons, uniformity and the like, so I thought I would share it with you all. Once again, remember that Van Os was present as an officer during the length of the siege, and thus this can pretty much be considered a historical source.
Before you open the paintings, a little info. The siege of Naarden began on the 17th of November 1813. Well, it began officially - The besiegers, the just-formed Dutch government, had only the four battalions of National Guard available (who, while being armed, trained and dressed by the French, had declared for the provisional government when it was created), a fifth battalion of newly raised volunteers, a bunch of smaller volunteer units and the landstorm - A militia mostly pike or tool-armed who had simply been called up to 'fight' the French. They were mostly used for manual labour, to keep the real soldiers free to fight. Because of this shortage of men, the siege was more of a blockade for the first few weeks. By new years eve the fortress was surrounded, and the 19th of January the Dutch started bombarding the place - A harsh decision, because there were still many Dutch civilians in the city, but a necessary one. The French commander, Baron Quetard de la Porte, with his 2250 troops, was not going to surrender; Any negotiators were promptly fired upon. As the siege went on, more freshly Dutch units joined the besiegers, as the new Dutch army was being organized.
This paintings shows the houses of the besiegers (kazematten in Dutch). They were mostly built from scratch. Note the bonnet de polices and different styles of greatcoats.
And how did it end? While the attackers continuously bombarded the place, and Quetard had to let some troops go (as well as civilians) because they were running out of supplies, AND many Dutch and Prussian soldiers in the fort deserted to join the attackers, the fortress did not surrender until AFTER the general peace. On the 5th of May a French officers had come to tell Quatard the war was really over.
The French hoisted the white flag on the 7th and left on the 12th, permitted to leave with all the honours of war, including three fieldguns. They numbered only a thousand men and officers, of the original 2250! Desertion had taken their toll (As well as the forces he had sent away and had surrendered somewhere else), and two companies of coastal artillery, which were completely Dutch, were fired from French service and joined the Dutch army by simply putting on orange cockades.
They paraded past the Dutch forces, which had now grown to four battalions of regular infantry (Staande Armée), four of National guard, two squadrons of Hussars( Boreel!), a full artillery-corps and additional voluntary units. At 9 O'clock the Dutch army entered the city, were greeted happily by the civilians (Even though they had been bombarded by those troops ), and somewhere between eleven and noun, the Dutch flag was risen, with a 21-gun salute.
The paintings are presumably as accurate as can be in the time - The artist, P. G. van Os, had been present for the entirety of the war and had kept a big sketchbook, which he used to make a set of paintings in 1816. If anything, the colours he used may not always be 100% correct. I'm afraid you'll have to do with 98% accuracy.
Firstly, here are the three paintings he made of cossacks. The lovely irregular winter uniform, little horses and lances are shown very well.
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Now, moving on to something more of my interest. Many of my steamfriends have already been spammed with these.
They depict the Dutch besiegers of the (French-held) fortresscity of Naarden, Holland. I found them rather interesting, seeing their weapons, uniformity and the like, so I thought I would share it with you all. Once again, remember that Van Os was present as an officer during the length of the siege, and thus this can pretty much be considered a historical source.
Before you open the paintings, a little info. The siege of Naarden began on the 17th of November 1813. Well, it began officially - The besiegers, the just-formed Dutch government, had only the four battalions of National Guard available (who, while being armed, trained and dressed by the French, had declared for the provisional government when it was created), a fifth battalion of newly raised volunteers, a bunch of smaller volunteer units and the landstorm - A militia mostly pike or tool-armed who had simply been called up to 'fight' the French. They were mostly used for manual labour, to keep the real soldiers free to fight. Because of this shortage of men, the siege was more of a blockade for the first few weeks. By new years eve the fortress was surrounded, and the 19th of January the Dutch started bombarding the place - A harsh decision, because there were still many Dutch civilians in the city, but a necessary one. The French commander, Baron Quetard de la Porte, with his 2250 troops, was not going to surrender; Any negotiators were promptly fired upon. As the siege went on, more freshly Dutch units joined the besiegers, as the new Dutch army was being organized.
This painting depicts the landstorm with their usual task -manual labour. Here, in january 1814, they are keeping the channels icefree for transportships. The city can be seen in the background. Note the British muskets by the two front-figures!
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This paintings shows the houses of the besiegers (kazematten in Dutch). They were mostly built from scratch. Note the bonnet de polices and different styles of greatcoats.
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this painting, simply called 'the bombarding on Naarden', shows a Lunet with multiple siege guns in April 1814. The two figures in civilian dress are Landstorm, now musketarmed. Note the black leatherwork of the artillerymen, and the combinations of French and British kit by the two infantrymen talking to the mounted officer. By april, Dutch insignia, and some uniforms, were already issued and you can see one of the infantryman has a new shako with the crowned W plate. These are presumably 'regular' infantrymen, instead of National guard.
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This is my favorite painting and shows a battalion of Amsterdam National guard, in almost complete French uniform. You can see men and officers have replaced the French cockade with an orange one, and have removed the eagle from their plate - But that's honestly about it. This lunet was called 'De halve maan' (The half moon) and this scene is also in April 1814.
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And how did it end? While the attackers continuously bombarded the place, and Quetard had to let some troops go (as well as civilians) because they were running out of supplies, AND many Dutch and Prussian soldiers in the fort deserted to join the attackers, the fortress did not surrender until AFTER the general peace. On the 5th of May a French officers had come to tell Quatard the war was really over.
The French hoisted the white flag on the 7th and left on the 12th, permitted to leave with all the honours of war, including three fieldguns. They numbered only a thousand men and officers, of the original 2250! Desertion had taken their toll (As well as the forces he had sent away and had surrendered somewhere else), and two companies of coastal artillery, which were completely Dutch, were fired from French service and joined the Dutch army by simply putting on orange cockades.
They paraded past the Dutch forces, which had now grown to four battalions of regular infantry (Staande Armée), four of National guard, two squadrons of Hussars( Boreel!), a full artillery-corps and additional voluntary units. At 9 O'clock the Dutch army entered the city, were greeted happily by the civilians (Even though they had been bombarded by those troops ), and somewhere between eleven and noun, the Dutch flag was risen, with a 21-gun salute.
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Historical Reenactment / A historical night
« on: May 01, 2013, 06:59:14 pm »
Now, we have a thread for food, kit, sutlers and all the like, but I suddenly found out we have no thread for how we sleep!
So, here it is! Share your stories, show pictures, explain preferences, and tell how you and group usually take their night rest! Tents, blankets, dog shelters, or is maybe nature your best friend? Tell tell!
I'll start with an explanation how stuff goes around here;
- For some reason the level of historical accurateness concerning sleeping is low, very low. I'm talking (modern) camp beds, sleeping bags, and in the worst case, some guy even has bungolawtents (of historical material, but that doesn't excuse it).
Especially a lot of people use camp beds. Now, there are cases where that's more then understandable, like with elder people, or those with bad backs. But there are plenty of people who are completely healthy but just don't feel like sleeping on straw. There are of course plenty of people who do use straw bags and woolen blankets.
- Historically, we didn't have tents. People either slept in the field around a campfire, rolled in a greatcoat and blanket, or quartered in a house. Officers of course had tents, and some armies did have them for the private soldiers, but the majority simply didn't. This may sound weird, but remember that military campaigns were not intended to carry on trough the winter - of course it happened, but it was not intended. I heard a few times that tents weren't issued in the French army unless the campaign was planned to be longer then 3 months and wouldn't end before summer did. People slept with about six to eight people in one tent - We usually do with 2 or three, and even then people complain it's so packed.
And how does your beloved Duuring take his nights? Well, for a long time I used a modern sleeping bag in the straw, but I've gone a little bit fed up with that - I want to get the real historically feeling. One event we made shelters in the wood, which was pretty fun. But I still had my modern sleeping bag...So last event, I only took a woolen blanket with me.
The weather dropped to just below freezing point during the night. I slept in a tent, in the straw, with everything on (that includes greatcoat, bonnet de police and shoes) and the woolen blanket. The first night I woke up because of the cold (I slept about 4 hours that night), but the 2nd one I tucked myself better in, and had better night. Still, it was cold, but I discovered there's some sort of advantage to that - When you wake up around 7 o'clock, the time to get moving, you're quite glad to get up and warm up.
So, it was cold, but knowing that I slept those nights almost the same as the real guys did, made it all worth it. These soldiers really had to, and could, get up in 10 minutes, ready to march.
So, here it is! Share your stories, show pictures, explain preferences, and tell how you and group usually take their night rest! Tents, blankets, dog shelters, or is maybe nature your best friend? Tell tell!
I'll start with an explanation how stuff goes around here;
- For some reason the level of historical accurateness concerning sleeping is low, very low. I'm talking (modern) camp beds, sleeping bags, and in the worst case, some guy even has bungolawtents (of historical material, but that doesn't excuse it).
Especially a lot of people use camp beds. Now, there are cases where that's more then understandable, like with elder people, or those with bad backs. But there are plenty of people who are completely healthy but just don't feel like sleeping on straw. There are of course plenty of people who do use straw bags and woolen blankets.
- Historically, we didn't have tents. People either slept in the field around a campfire, rolled in a greatcoat and blanket, or quartered in a house. Officers of course had tents, and some armies did have them for the private soldiers, but the majority simply didn't. This may sound weird, but remember that military campaigns were not intended to carry on trough the winter - of course it happened, but it was not intended. I heard a few times that tents weren't issued in the French army unless the campaign was planned to be longer then 3 months and wouldn't end before summer did. People slept with about six to eight people in one tent - We usually do with 2 or three, and even then people complain it's so packed.
And how does your beloved Duuring take his nights? Well, for a long time I used a modern sleeping bag in the straw, but I've gone a little bit fed up with that - I want to get the real historically feeling. One event we made shelters in the wood, which was pretty fun. But I still had my modern sleeping bag...So last event, I only took a woolen blanket with me.
The weather dropped to just below freezing point during the night. I slept in a tent, in the straw, with everything on (that includes greatcoat, bonnet de police and shoes) and the woolen blanket. The first night I woke up because of the cold (I slept about 4 hours that night), but the 2nd one I tucked myself better in, and had better night. Still, it was cold, but I discovered there's some sort of advantage to that - When you wake up around 7 o'clock, the time to get moving, you're quite glad to get up and warm up.
So, it was cold, but knowing that I slept those nights almost the same as the real guys did, made it all worth it. These soldiers really had to, and could, get up in 10 minutes, ready to march.
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Historical Reenactment / Waterloo 2015
« on: April 16, 2013, 10:36:00 pm »
Right. I just received the newsletter of the Dutch Napoleonic Association which tells some bad news.
The max number of military re-enactors (In other words, those who will take the field) has been put at 4000. No more. This does not include 'civil' roles, but quite frankly, I don't give a shit about how many civilian we have running around. They apparently decided to put it at this maximum for the following reason: To get only experienced people on the field who have taken the effort to secure their place. "Quality before quantity"
It's unclear if this 4000 includes artillery and cavalry, but I consider that likely.
Comments! And feel free to discuss Waterloo 2015 in general. What unit will you be in, will you be there, etc etc.
The max number of military re-enactors (In other words, those who will take the field) has been put at 4000. No more. This does not include 'civil' roles, but quite frankly, I don't give a shit about how many civilian we have running around. They apparently decided to put it at this maximum for the following reason: To get only experienced people on the field who have taken the effort to secure their place. "Quality before quantity"
It's unclear if this 4000 includes artillery and cavalry, but I consider that likely.
Comments! And feel free to discuss Waterloo 2015 in general. What unit will you be in, will you be there, etc etc.
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Historical Reenactment / Female re-enactors
« on: April 01, 2013, 11:38:11 am »
I had an unpleasant discussion on facebook yesterday with some civil war re-enactors who (besides saying I don't give a shit about history and accurateness and that I'm a little troll) said that women shouldn't be allowed to re-enact because there were no women in the ACW (except for some documented 300 etc). And "because women are over the greatest part farbs" (mind you, for these people, 'farb' was the word for everyone except them), it's best to just trow them all out.
Now, I found this a idiotic to say the least. You are going to forbid someone to re-enact on a reason they can't possibly change? One guy even had a daughter which wanted to re-enactment so badly...but he didn't allow her because she looked 'too female'. That's really harsh.
My opinion is simple; as look as they put as much effort in the hobby as their male counterparts, women should be allowed to re-enact just like anyone else. Historical accurate is important, but when you are trowing people out on these kind of reasons, you've gone to far.
Your opinions, gentlemen.
Now, I found this a idiotic to say the least. You are going to forbid someone to re-enact on a reason they can't possibly change? One guy even had a daughter which wanted to re-enactment so badly...but he didn't allow her because she looked 'too female'. That's really harsh.
My opinion is simple; as look as they put as much effort in the hobby as their male counterparts, women should be allowed to re-enact just like anyone else. Historical accurate is important, but when you are trowing people out on these kind of reasons, you've gone to far.
Your opinions, gentlemen.
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Nederlandstalig Forum / Nederland tijdens Waterloo
« on: March 17, 2013, 07:23:49 pm »
Jocam vroeg me de geschiedenis hiervan, welke ik met PLEZIER schrijf, maar ik dacht dat het misschien beter was even een eigen topicje te maken ipv een ander off-topic brengen.
Without further a-do;
De geschiedenis van het Nederlandse leger begint eigenlijk met de Opstand in 1813. Als ik dat er ook allemaal nog bij neem, wordt het verhaal nog veel langer, dus laat ik maar beginnen na de abdicatie van Napoleon.
De eenheden van het Nederlandse leger waren grotendeels eenheden die opgericht waren in 1813 in Pruisen of tijdens de Nederlandse opstand. Het Oranje legioen, bijvoorbeeld, was opgericht op kosten van de Oranjes in Pruisen, uit NL krijgsgevangenen, en dit werd het 1ste Bataljon van Infantrie (En werd later ontbonden, de mannen gingen naar het 8ste infantrie). Een edelman genaamd Phaff had een bataljon opgericht (naar zichzelf vernoemd), en dit werd het 2de Bataljon van Infantrie. Phaff werd zelf al snel vervangen door Speelman, een ervaren kolonel die begonnen was als drummer. Zo waren er nog meer eenheden die genummerd werden, en al snel, in Juni 1814, telde het leger zestien Bataljons van linie, zes van Jagers en waren twintig bataljons militie in de maak. De cavalerie bestond uit twee regimenten van Dragonders, één van lichte Dragonders en één van Huzaren. Daarnaast waren er vier batterijen van artillerie en waren er drie Bataljons van Nassau'ers opgenomen als het 'Nassau-Usingen Regiment'. Een feit wil ik jullie ook niet onthouden - Een bataljon Pupillen van de garde werd overgenomen van Frankrijk als 'Korps der Velites'. Deze waren op hun beurt oorspronkelijk overgenomen van het Koninkrijk Holland in 1810, dus ze kwamen min of meer thuis.
De bataljons waren echter verre van volledig gevuld (het 10de bataljon van infanterie telden maar zo'n 120 man), en de organisatie begon een rotzooitje te worden. Een aantal bataljons werden ontbonden (de mannen gingen naar andere regimenten om die op sterkte te brengen), en bovendien werd besloten alle infanterie in dezelfde nummeringstabel te brengen. Een overzichtje, begin 1815. Schuingedrukte regimenten bestonden alleen nog maar op papier of hadden een militaire waarde van nada.
De linie-infantrie: 1ste, 2de, 3de, 4de, 6de, 7de, 8ste, 9de, 12de, 13de, 14de en 15de bataljon, het (28ste) Regiment Oranje-Nassau van twee bataljons Nassauers en het Regiment Nassau-Usingen, drie bataljons.
De jagers: 10de, 11de, 16de, 17de, 18de en 27ste bataljons.
Het koloniale leger (Opgericht om, hoe verrassend, in de koloniën te dienen): 5de regiment (twee Bataljons), 19de, 20ste, (Alleen de flankcompagniën), 21ste-26ste bataljon infanterie, 33ste Bataljon Koloniaal depot.
De Zwitserse regimenten: 29ste-32ste regiment
En last but not least; het 34ste Garnizoen-bataljon.
De militie bestond uit het 1ste-20ste Militiebataljon. Dit waren voornamelijk dienstplichtigen, maar er zaten ook vrijwilligers bij.
Het Korps van Velites (zo'n vierhonderd man) werd grotendeels overgenomen door het 18de, maar een klein deel ging ook naar het 27ste. Bovendien telde het 27ste veel ex-pupillen die simpelweg uit het leger van Frankrijk gedeserteerd waren.
De cavalerie was ook flink hervormd. Ze bestond nu uit 5 regimenten; het 1ste en 3de Karabiniers (zware cavalerie), het 2de en 4de 'chevaux-legere', en het vijfde regiment Huzaren dat opgericht werd voor Koloniale dienst. De artillerie sla ik even over.
En toen kwamen die Belgen erbij. Het gehele Belgische legioen (4 regimenten infanterie, twee van jagers, twee van cavalerie, en artillerie), dat opgericht was door Oosterrijk, werdt overgenomen. Oorspronkelijk behield dit een onafhankelijke status als 'Zuid-Nederlands Leger', maar in April 1815 werd dit geïncorporeert. De volgende aanpassingen vonden plaats (en let erop dat dit niet alleen over de Belgische regimenten gaan.
Het 1ste, 3de, 4de en 7de bataljon infanterie werden (In februari al) ontbonden, en de Belgische regimenten infanterie namen deze nummers over. De twee Belgische Jagers werden het 35ste en 36ste bataljon Jagers. Daarnaast werden het 10de en 11de Bataljon Jagers werden onderdeel van de koloniale troepen. De cavalerie ging volledig op de schop:
1ste Regiment Karabiniers (NL)
2de regiment Karabiniers (BE)
3de regiment Karabiniers (NL)
4de regiment Lichte dragonders (NL)
5de regiment lichte dragonders (BE)
6de Regiment Huzaren (NL)
7de Regiment Koloniale Huzaren
8ste Regiment Huzaren (BE).
Let hierbij even op dat het 2de Karabiniers vers was opgericht, maar het 5de en 8ste overgenomen van Oostenrijk. Ook werd de term 'Belgie' bijna alleen in Fransen of Onofficiële teksten gebruikt. Het leger heeft het altijd over 'Zuid-Nederlands'. Ik heb voor het gemak de hele tijd Belgisch gebruikt, maar dat is eigenlijk fout.
De artillerie bestond uit zes Batterijen reguliere artillerie, zes van Militie en een korps van Rijdende artillerie.
En zo ging het leger dus de 100 dagen in. De Bataljons infanterie en jagers bestonden altijd rond de 400-700 man, met uitzondering van de bataljons van het 5de en de Nassau-regimenten, die bestonden altijd uit 800 man per stuk. Dit was bij de cavalerie rond dezelfde cijfers (400-700), en de artillerie en militie-bataljons telden ongeveer 600 man per stuk. Dit zijn allemaal gemiddeldes die ik ongeveer geschat heb (de precieze aantallen per bataljon heb ik wel), dus ze zijn niet 100% correct.
En als jullie het willen vertel ik ook over wat ze allemaal gedaan hebben tijdens de campagne, en ook wat meer over de organisatie en rang-systemen (die ik eigenlijk ook hierbij had moeten zetten)
Without further a-do;
De geschiedenis van het Nederlandse leger begint eigenlijk met de Opstand in 1813. Als ik dat er ook allemaal nog bij neem, wordt het verhaal nog veel langer, dus laat ik maar beginnen na de abdicatie van Napoleon.
De eenheden van het Nederlandse leger waren grotendeels eenheden die opgericht waren in 1813 in Pruisen of tijdens de Nederlandse opstand. Het Oranje legioen, bijvoorbeeld, was opgericht op kosten van de Oranjes in Pruisen, uit NL krijgsgevangenen, en dit werd het 1ste Bataljon van Infantrie (En werd later ontbonden, de mannen gingen naar het 8ste infantrie). Een edelman genaamd Phaff had een bataljon opgericht (naar zichzelf vernoemd), en dit werd het 2de Bataljon van Infantrie. Phaff werd zelf al snel vervangen door Speelman, een ervaren kolonel die begonnen was als drummer. Zo waren er nog meer eenheden die genummerd werden, en al snel, in Juni 1814, telde het leger zestien Bataljons van linie, zes van Jagers en waren twintig bataljons militie in de maak. De cavalerie bestond uit twee regimenten van Dragonders, één van lichte Dragonders en één van Huzaren. Daarnaast waren er vier batterijen van artillerie en waren er drie Bataljons van Nassau'ers opgenomen als het 'Nassau-Usingen Regiment'. Een feit wil ik jullie ook niet onthouden - Een bataljon Pupillen van de garde werd overgenomen van Frankrijk als 'Korps der Velites'. Deze waren op hun beurt oorspronkelijk overgenomen van het Koninkrijk Holland in 1810, dus ze kwamen min of meer thuis.
De bataljons waren echter verre van volledig gevuld (het 10de bataljon van infanterie telden maar zo'n 120 man), en de organisatie begon een rotzooitje te worden. Een aantal bataljons werden ontbonden (de mannen gingen naar andere regimenten om die op sterkte te brengen), en bovendien werd besloten alle infanterie in dezelfde nummeringstabel te brengen. Een overzichtje, begin 1815. Schuingedrukte regimenten bestonden alleen nog maar op papier of hadden een militaire waarde van nada.
De linie-infantrie: 1ste, 2de, 3de, 4de, 6de, 7de, 8ste, 9de, 12de, 13de, 14de en 15de bataljon, het (28ste) Regiment Oranje-Nassau van twee bataljons Nassauers en het Regiment Nassau-Usingen, drie bataljons.
De jagers: 10de, 11de, 16de, 17de, 18de en 27ste bataljons.
Het koloniale leger (Opgericht om, hoe verrassend, in de koloniën te dienen): 5de regiment (twee Bataljons), 19de, 20ste, (Alleen de flankcompagniën), 21ste-26ste bataljon infanterie, 33ste Bataljon Koloniaal depot.
De Zwitserse regimenten: 29ste-32ste regiment
En last but not least; het 34ste Garnizoen-bataljon.
De militie bestond uit het 1ste-20ste Militiebataljon. Dit waren voornamelijk dienstplichtigen, maar er zaten ook vrijwilligers bij.
Het Korps van Velites (zo'n vierhonderd man) werd grotendeels overgenomen door het 18de, maar een klein deel ging ook naar het 27ste. Bovendien telde het 27ste veel ex-pupillen die simpelweg uit het leger van Frankrijk gedeserteerd waren.
De cavalerie was ook flink hervormd. Ze bestond nu uit 5 regimenten; het 1ste en 3de Karabiniers (zware cavalerie), het 2de en 4de 'chevaux-legere', en het vijfde regiment Huzaren dat opgericht werd voor Koloniale dienst. De artillerie sla ik even over.
En toen kwamen die Belgen erbij. Het gehele Belgische legioen (4 regimenten infanterie, twee van jagers, twee van cavalerie, en artillerie), dat opgericht was door Oosterrijk, werdt overgenomen. Oorspronkelijk behield dit een onafhankelijke status als 'Zuid-Nederlands Leger', maar in April 1815 werd dit geïncorporeert. De volgende aanpassingen vonden plaats (en let erop dat dit niet alleen over de Belgische regimenten gaan.
Het 1ste, 3de, 4de en 7de bataljon infanterie werden (In februari al) ontbonden, en de Belgische regimenten infanterie namen deze nummers over. De twee Belgische Jagers werden het 35ste en 36ste bataljon Jagers. Daarnaast werden het 10de en 11de Bataljon Jagers werden onderdeel van de koloniale troepen. De cavalerie ging volledig op de schop:
1ste Regiment Karabiniers (NL)
2de regiment Karabiniers (BE)
3de regiment Karabiniers (NL)
4de regiment Lichte dragonders (NL)
5de regiment lichte dragonders (BE)
6de Regiment Huzaren (NL)
7de Regiment Koloniale Huzaren
8ste Regiment Huzaren (BE).
Let hierbij even op dat het 2de Karabiniers vers was opgericht, maar het 5de en 8ste overgenomen van Oostenrijk. Ook werd de term 'Belgie' bijna alleen in Fransen of Onofficiële teksten gebruikt. Het leger heeft het altijd over 'Zuid-Nederlands'. Ik heb voor het gemak de hele tijd Belgisch gebruikt, maar dat is eigenlijk fout.
De artillerie bestond uit zes Batterijen reguliere artillerie, zes van Militie en een korps van Rijdende artillerie.
En zo ging het leger dus de 100 dagen in. De Bataljons infanterie en jagers bestonden altijd rond de 400-700 man, met uitzondering van de bataljons van het 5de en de Nassau-regimenten, die bestonden altijd uit 800 man per stuk. Dit was bij de cavalerie rond dezelfde cijfers (400-700), en de artillerie en militie-bataljons telden ongeveer 600 man per stuk. Dit zijn allemaal gemiddeldes die ik ongeveer geschat heb (de precieze aantallen per bataljon heb ik wel), dus ze zijn niet 100% correct.
En als jullie het willen vertel ik ook over wat ze allemaal gedaan hebben tijdens de campagne, en ook wat meer over de organisatie en rang-systemen (die ik eigenlijk ook hierbij had moeten zetten)
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Historical Discussion / A Yankee.... at Waterloo
« on: March 06, 2013, 11:51:05 pm »
You got to be...
Fucking KIDDING ME!
Yes, this man, born in Philidelphia, SOMEHOW served 7 years in the Portuguese army, did every campaign in the Peninsular (That's what it says - every) and then was a Korporaal in the 7de Bataljon van Linie at Quatre-bras and Waterloo.
I've seen Danes, Germans, Scots, Czechs, Prussians and even French in the NL army, but this is the first time I found an American. Thought it would be worth sharing.
Also note how he's 1,70 cm, while most guys were around 1,55. And the fact he's only 22 during the battles, which would meant he joined the Portuguese army aged 12-14; I leave it to you to trust or not trust this story.
Fucking KIDDING ME!
Yes, this man, born in Philidelphia, SOMEHOW served 7 years in the Portuguese army, did every campaign in the Peninsular (That's what it says - every) and then was a Korporaal in the 7de Bataljon van Linie at Quatre-bras and Waterloo.
I've seen Danes, Germans, Scots, Czechs, Prussians and even French in the NL army, but this is the first time I found an American. Thought it would be worth sharing.
Also note how he's 1,70 cm, while most guys were around 1,55. And the fact he's only 22 during the battles, which would meant he joined the Portuguese army aged 12-14; I leave it to you to trust or not trust this story.