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Union Or Confederacy?
« on: November 13, 2012, 08:10:53 pm »
I know this was done on the N&S forum but let's give it  a shot here.

Who do you most look forward to playing on BCoF? The Union or Confederacy. And if you had been born in America at the time which side would you have fought for? Union, Confederacy or none?

Personally I look forward to playing as the Confederates!
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« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2012, 08:28:29 pm »
It's the Union for me. You would have fought for the Confederates because they had a just cause? So you support the enslavement of black people?
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Re: Union Or Confederacy?
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2012, 08:36:38 pm »
Preserve the Union!


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« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2012, 08:37:45 pm »
The entire war was started because of slavery. The Union fought to abolish slavery and the Confederates fought to keep their slaves and to take other states to expand their 'slave empire'. Yes they fought for independence but only because the government would not allow them to keep slaves. So if you really support the Confederate ideology in real life then you support the idea of slavery.
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« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2012, 08:50:35 pm »
The entire war was started because of slavery. The Union fought to abolish slavery and the Confederates fought to keep their slaves and to take other states to expand their 'slave empire'. Yes they fought for independence but only because the government would not allow them to keep slaves. So if you really support the Confederate ideology in real life then you support the idea of slavery.
The Union soldiers fought to preserve the Union. Later, really, to boost the cause for fighting, they added slavery in for them to fight against. Really, too, the confederates were more fighting to secede and have the Union off their backs, and yes slavery was an issue, but not the cause for the soldiers, and why most of them fought. 


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« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2012, 08:51:30 pm »
If the majority actually cared about the rights of the African Americans it wouldn't have taken until 1950 before they had equal rights.

They may not have had 100% equal rights until the 1950's, but as soon as the Unionists won the war they began freeing slaves immediately. Slavery could not have been undone strait away so it took all that time to reverse the change. But they did begin to force the Confederates to free their slaves strait away.
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Re: Union Or Confederacy?
« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2012, 08:55:59 pm »
Confederate! They fought for their survival as nation. And I admire their efforts.

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Re: Union Or Confederacy?
« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2012, 09:07:05 pm »
I still think that the victory of the Union led to a brighter future for the US. But what do I know, it could be the other way around, we will never know.

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« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2012, 09:08:51 pm »
Well the way the US is heading we may find out in the future.
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« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2012, 09:11:44 pm »
Let me start of by saying, I like both sides. I live in Virginia but was born in New England. Neither side was evil. I feel that both sides need to be remembered and honored equally.


I don't usually get into these  arguments, but I will just say this.

The south seceded for many reasons but slavery was definitely a major one.

"Its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth."  - Alexander Stephens Vice President of the Confederacy.

The Confederacy was about slavery. There is no arguing that. However, I would say that there were many other reasons that the common soldier was fighting and slavery could have been one of them. (I would say that a lot were fighting for their homes.)

The war, however, was simply about preserving the Union. The Emancipation Proclamation was to prevent British/European intervention. Britain would never step in to defend a country that supported  slavery.(The Confederacy.) Therefore, Lincoln decided to turn it from a war to preserve the Union into a war over slavery.

There is still the need to honor the confederates though. They were brave men who fought for something they believed in. I personally feel that it dishonors them when people deny what the confederacy stood for. They were brave enough to die for it which is nothing to be ashamed of.

As for who do I support, I would say the Union. The south's government failed one of it's main goals. It was supposed to have a weak federal government and strong state government. Unfortunately, they had to create a stronger national government in order to survive. Things like the conscription act kind of contradicted this. Which basically says that the national government of the confederacy could force people in the various states to join the army. The same problems came up during the Revolution when America was a confederacy.(Under the Articles of Confederation.) That is why they wrote the Constitution which gives enough power to the national government to function but still protects the rights of the states.
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« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2012, 09:14:41 pm »
The Confederacy was about slavery. There is no arguing that.
Thanks for backing me up. It can't be denied.

There is still the need to honor the confederates though. They were brave men who fought for something they believed in. I personally feel that it dishonors them when people deny what the confederacy stood for. They were brave enough to die for it which is nothing to be ashamed of.
The Nazi's died for what they believed in but they don't deserve a shred of honor.
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« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2012, 09:22:30 pm »
Well I'm no expert, but the confederates weren't fighting for slavery  ;)
I agree the Confederates were for Slavery at the time
Glad to see I have changed your mind :P
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