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Offline Coconut

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Re: Union Or Confederacy?
« Reply #285 on: December 30, 2013, 11:02:01 pm »
Go on.

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Re: Union Or Confederacy?
« Reply #286 on: December 31, 2013, 04:12:21 am »
eh its up to god to decide if what lee did was right or wrong

also lee was not that great of a general sure he won a lot of battles but he was no military genius the union mostly gave him the victory's though sure dumbfounded overly complicated plans of the north

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Re: Union Or Confederacy?
« Reply #287 on: January 02, 2014, 10:59:03 am »
You could say the same thing about Napoleon then. One of the highest qualities of generalship is exploiting faults in your opponents plans. Most generals cannot do this such as McClellan. Lee was not a marble man but you dont give him enough credit.

 Back to the subject my heart lies with the Union however it would be more practical to be Confederate however a majority of NA regs seem to be going Federal. 
Of course, I also think lines should be able to move in double rank without having emotional breakdowns.

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Re: Union Or Confederacy?
« Reply #288 on: January 02, 2014, 03:06:08 pm »
McClellan was a good man, a good tactician, but a poor General.

He was a good man because he cared about his men

He was one of the best battle planners in the Union Army

He was a poor general because every time he started to take casualties he pulled back.

Moral of the story? Care about your men, but realize that you're leading some of them to their death.
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Re: Union Or Confederacy?
« Reply #289 on: January 02, 2014, 11:41:41 pm »
McClellan was a good man, a good tactician, but a poor General.

He was a good man because he cared about his men

He was one of the best battle planners in the Union Army

He was a poor general because every time he started to take casualties he pulled back.

Moral of the story? Care about your men, but realize that you're leading some of them to their death.

I like that summary. 

He did really know how to build up an army,  and have it  supplied & organized.
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Re: Union Or Confederacy?
« Reply #290 on: January 03, 2014, 01:33:15 am »
Didn't Lincoln sent him a message when he took away his command-post?

'As you aren't using the army for anything, I'd like to borrow it'. 

Pretty much a official presidential BUUUUUUUUUUUURN

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« Reply #291 on: January 03, 2014, 12:07:25 pm »
I'm pretty sure he was using it jus not in the way Lincoln wanted it to be used.
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Re: Union Or Confederacy?
« Reply #292 on: January 16, 2014, 02:28:54 am »
Oh, look. People equating the favoring of the Confederacy as the supporting of slavery. That's one of my favorite jokes, please tell it some more.

As for me, I don't know what side i'd join. I live in Knoxville, which is in Tennessee, a state that was part of the Confederacy. However, Knoxville was noted for its pro-Union sentiment throughout the war, and I read that there were parades in the street when it was taken by the Federals. On terms of morals, neither side had the high ground.

On one hand, i'd probably want to join the South due to the fact that the war was perceived as an aggressive act of a power-hungry government, and i'm a sucker for any act of rebellion that I feel is started for a good cause. Also, they have, without a doubt, the best battle songs and uniforms.

On the other hand, i'd likely feel a bit of resentment towards the Confederacy for dissolving the nation I was born into instead of trying harder to work things out diplomatically.

All things considered, i'd probably just join up with whatever side my family/friends joined up with. Or whichever side happened to be shouting their propaganda the loudest the day I was headed down to the recruiting station.
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Re: Union Or Confederacy?
« Reply #293 on: January 16, 2014, 10:21:40 pm »
Wait, what did Lincoln's administration do that was power hungry...?
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Re: Union Or Confederacy?
« Reply #294 on: January 16, 2014, 11:00:01 pm »
Nothing in particular. Unless you're of the opinion that state law should be more important than federal law. I did say, "was perceived," which means that that is what the bombardment of pro-South people would be shouting in your ears, and not necessarily the whole truth.
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Re: Union Or Confederacy?
« Reply #295 on: January 16, 2014, 11:02:18 pm »
I just don't get it, the only thing that Lincoln wanted to do that would effect state's rights would be saying that all new states would be free. Which from a humanitarian standpoint makes sense.

Not arguing with you btw, just talking against the Southern view at the time.
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Re: Union Or Confederacy?
« Reply #296 on: January 16, 2014, 11:45:24 pm »
Yea, but that was like the gun control debate of the time. Except amplified by about 200%.
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Re: Union Or Confederacy?
« Reply #297 on: January 31, 2014, 02:07:46 am »
Union!

The Confederacy were traitors. Who likes traitors. But the NW community is mainly EU's that hate America and anyone that is against us they like so I see why they won this poll.

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Re: Union Or Confederacy?
« Reply #298 on: January 31, 2014, 02:09:43 am »

ZE South illl rise again!!!!!!!  Itlll happen i swearrrrrr
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Re: Union Or Confederacy?
« Reply #299 on: January 31, 2014, 04:12:57 am »
No they wont haha. Now especially in the 21st Century. You'd have no valuable resources. Example Texas, they'll never leave the Union because they have nothing to trade; they'll go broke so fast.