The General Political Thread

[Rutger Müller]

A guilty verdict is the only positive outcome from this case. Won't bring George Floyd back but its justice and it sends the right message.

100% agree, I cant wait for the next crackhead to OD on fentanyl so I can cop some new jordans

[Kore]

A guilty verdict is the only positive outcome from this case. Won't bring George Floyd back but its justice and it sends the right message.

Guilty? I agree. Murder? Probably not.

What I find disturbing the most is the brutal reality that if they switched their skin colour there would be zero media coverage and probably way milder punishment.

The so called fight against inequality and supposed oppression of black community has turned into a witch hunt of every white officer.

There are millions of police-civilian interactions each year and how many end up with an unarmed black person getting shot? Literally a needle in a haystack. Same applies for the gun rights issue - banning guns or taking away guns won't solve anything, it will most likely have the opposite effect.

Americans should aim to solve the issues at their roots and search for actual solutions. And no, the institution is not the issue.

[~NickCole~]

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A guilty verdict is the only positive outcome from this case. Won't bring George Floyd back but its justice and it sends the right message.

Guilty? I agree. Murder? Probably not.

What I find disturbing the most is the brutal reality that if they switched their skin colour there would be zero media coverage and probably way milder punishment.

The so called fight against inequality and supposed oppression of black community has turned into a witch hunt of every white officer.

There are millions of police-civilian interactions each year and how many end up with an unarmed black person getting shot? Literally a needle in a haystack. Same applies for the gun rights issue - banning guns or taking away guns won't solve anything, it will most likely have the opposite effect.

Americans should aim to solve the issues at their roots and search for actual solutions. And no, the institution is not the issue.

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Kore speakin them factZ

[Scottish Unicorn]

A man was in cuffs, on the ground with no possible way of being a threat. A police officer held his knee against his neck for 9 and a half minutes. Its not like he fell and accidentally killed him. He chose to put his knee on this guy and then held it there for over 9 minutes whilst the victim said he can't breathe. Idk seems kinda deliberate to me. Oh and by the way , we've known for years that kneeling on someone like that cuts off their air supply :3

[Cazasar]

A guilty verdict is the only positive outcome from this case. Won't bring George Floyd back but its justice and it sends the right message.

Guilty? I agree. Murder? Probably not.

What I find disturbing the most is the brutal reality that if they switched their skin colour there would be zero media coverage and probably way milder punishment.

The so called fight against inequality and supposed oppression of black community has turned into a witch hunt of every white officer.

There are millions of police-civilian interactions each year and how many end up with an unarmed black person getting shot? Literally a needle in a haystack. Same applies for the gun rights issue - banning guns or taking away guns won't solve anything, it will most likely have the opposite effect.

Americans should aim to solve the issues at their roots and search for actual solutions. And no, the institution is not the issue.

Its 2nd Degree Murder, in Germany we would call it "Totschlag" and I think the verdict is fair.

[BabyJesus]

Atleast there’s not gonna be any riots

[Dokletian]

Same applies for the gun rights issue - banning guns or taking away guns won't solve anything, it will most likely have the opposite effect.

I mean that's a seperate issue though I am interested in why restricting laws regarding firearms will have the opposite effect in your opinion?

(By opposite effect I suppose you mean more deaths etc.?)

[No0B]

A man was in cuffs, on the ground with no possible way of being a threat. A police officer held his knee against his neck for 9 and a half minutes. Its not like he fell and accidentally killed him. He chose to put his knee on this guy and then held it there for over 9 minutes whilst the victim said he can't breathe. Idk seems kinda deliberate to me. Oh and by the way , we've known for years that kneeling on someone like that cuts off their air supply :3

I'm going to be honest with you. You know if you can talk your breathing because breath going through is how we talk. He was being choked but because he was talking that means at the moment he still breathing. You know before he lost consciousness and shit went bad.

[Kore]

Same applies for the gun rights issue - banning guns or taking away guns won't solve anything, it will most likely have the opposite effect.

I mean that's a seperate issue though I am interested in why restricting laws regarding firearms will have the opposite effect in your opinion?

(By opposite effect I suppose you mean more deaths etc.?)

It could be a stretch but still my opinion is that the more guns you take away from normal, law abiding and mentally healthy citizens the likelihood of armed robberies, assaults and what not resulting in death or serious wounds of the victim will rise. Crime rate and mass shootings won't magically disappear nor drop down.

[Kore]

A man was in cuffs, on the ground with no possible way of being a threat. A police officer held his knee against his neck for 9 and a half minutes. Its not like he fell and accidentally killed him. He chose to put his knee on this guy and then held it there for over 9 minutes whilst the victim said he can't breathe. Idk seems kinda deliberate to me. Oh and by the way , we've known for years that kneeling on someone like that cuts off their air supply :3

I'm going to be honest with you. You know if you can talk your breathing because breath going through is how we talk. He was being choked but because he was talking that means at the moment he still breathing. You know before he lost consciousness and shit went bad.

Maybe if he wasn't on drugs he could breathe easier as well, who knows. It's just sad that his criminal history and drug abuse has been just sweeped under the "hurr durr racism" carpet.

[No0B]

A guilty verdict is the only positive outcome from this case. Won't bring George Floyd back but its justice and it sends the right message.

Guilty? I agree. Murder? Probably not.

What I find disturbing the most is the brutal reality that if they switched their skin colour there would be zero media coverage and probably way milder punishment.

The so called fight against inequality and supposed oppression of black community has turned into a witch hunt of every white officer.

There are millions of police-civilian interactions each year and how many end up with an unarmed black person getting shot? Literally a needle in a haystack. Same applies for the gun rights issue - banning guns or taking away guns won't solve anything, it will most likely have the opposite effect.

Americans should aim to solve the issues at their roots and search for actual solutions. And no, the institution is not the issue.

The Police are really violent in the US. To put this in perceptive my Dad and Two Uncles all got beaten by the cops. My Dad had hand cuffs on while they beat him.(Not sure the details on the other twl)Only one of my Uncles actually got arrested and charged with a crime and that was drug procession. So yeah the institution is definitely the issue.

[Kore]

A guilty verdict is the only positive outcome from this case. Won't bring George Floyd back but its justice and it sends the right message.

Guilty? I agree. Murder? Probably not.

What I find disturbing the most is the brutal reality that if they switched their skin colour there would be zero media coverage and probably way milder punishment.

The so called fight against inequality and supposed oppression of black community has turned into a witch hunt of every white officer.

There are millions of police-civilian interactions each year and how many end up with an unarmed black person getting shot? Literally a needle in a haystack. Same applies for the gun rights issue - banning guns or taking away guns won't solve anything, it will most likely have the opposite effect.

Americans should aim to solve the issues at their roots and search for actual solutions. And no, the institution is not the issue.

The Police are really violent in the US. To put this in perceptive my Dad and Two Uncles all got beaten by the cops. My Dad had hand cuffs on while they beat him.(Not sure the details on the other twl)Only one of my Uncles actually got arrested and charged with a crime and that was drug procession. So yeah the institution is definitely the issue.

There are some bad apples in the US police just like anywhere in the world.

However I do agree US police needs some form of reform or change - as Caz mentioned the training period is just ridiculously short.

What my point is, is that systemic racism does not exist, not in the US.

[Scottish Unicorn]

A man was in cuffs, on the ground with no possible way of being a threat. A police officer held his knee against his neck for 9 and a half minutes. Its not like he fell and accidentally killed him. He chose to put his knee on this guy and then held it there for over 9 minutes whilst the victim said he can't breathe. Idk seems kinda deliberate to me. Oh and by the way , we've known for years that kneeling on someone like that cuts off their air supply :3

I'm going to be honest with you. You know if you can talk your breathing because breath going through is how we talk. He was being choked but because he was talking that means at the moment he still breathing. You know before he lost consciousness and shit went bad.

Maybe if he wasn't on drugs he could breathe easier as well, who knows. It's just sad that his criminal history and drug abuse has been just sweeped under the "hurr durr racism" carpet.

Maybe if he didn't have a dudes knee on his neck he could breathe easier. Also yeah he wasn't perfect and had a past but that's not relevant.

Also I know he was talking throughout but if someone says they can't breathe, maybe you should release them from whatever hold you've got on them.

[crazypro25.]

Same applies for the gun rights issue - banning guns or taking away guns won't solve anything, it will most likely have the opposite effect.

I mean that's a seperate issue though I am interested in why restricting laws regarding firearms will have the opposite effect in your opinion?

(By opposite effect I suppose you mean more deaths etc.?)

It could be a stretch but still my opinion is that the more guns you take away from normal, law abiding and mentally healthy citizens the likelihood of armed robberies, assaults and what not resulting in death or serious wounds of the victim will rise. Crime rate and mass shootings won't magically disappear nor drop down.

On the other hand, if it is much harder to get firearms, logically the number of incidents must decrease. I mean, if you can't get your hands on a firearm as easily (as it is currently the case in the U.S.), you can't commit a crime with it as easily.

I can only recommend an article about firearms in the U.S. from a German newspaper: https://www.sueddeutsche.de/panorama/usa-ein-land-unter-waffen-in-sieben-grafiken-1.3694023 (I recommend DeepL https://www.deepl.com/translator if you want to translate it into english)

[Dokletian]

It could be a stretch but still my opinion is that the more guns you take away from normal, law abiding and mentally healthy citizens the likelihood of armed robberies, assaults and what not resulting in death or serious wounds of the victim will rise. Crime rate and mass shootings won't magically disappear nor drop down.

Don't you think that is a bit far-fetched? Why are there no similar problems in western-European countries then? The death rates in these countries are extremely low in comparison to the US.

In Australia (a country which used to be quite similarly liberal on firearm legislations) they heavily restricted the possession of guns after a mass shooting in 1996; since then there has been a significant drop in gun violence (about 75%). I think it is only realistic to assume that restrictions will not suddenly prevent gun violence but that cannot be an argument against less liberal legislations.