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Re: The General Political Thread
« Reply #5295 on: November 06, 2020, 05:20:30 am »
I don't know if the DNC would even allow a candidate like Yang to ever become the frontrunner. They run boring, milquetoast neoliberals because that's precisely what most of the center-left want: a boring president that you don't have to worry about.

On the other hand, the imminent recession caused by COVID could be its best shot for years to come. The moratoriums for millions are about to end and food banks are getting longer lines every day. Something drastic needs to happen in order to avoid an even bigger disaster than it already is. It'll get shit on by some of the right for being "socialism" while the establishment continues to ignore every problem in the country in it while continuing to suck up to its donors, but I don't really see a better opportunity.

This is not true. Obama was a remarkably unknown state senator and came in at a time when he was given almost no shot. Hillary Clinton was a enormous favorite and Obama won people over with his message of hope and great change. Obama invigorated many people and ran 2 very successful campaigns. Regardless of what you think Obama did or didn't do for America you have to agree that he was by no means a "boring, milquetoast neoliberal" candidate because he was the complete opposite.

I'll admit Obama was a breath of fresh air. He is an exceptional orator and his everyman image certainly helped, but the outside figures certainly boosted him in 08. The recession was in full swing and opinions were turning sour towards the Iraq War, something both Clinton and McCain were adamant about continuing. Much like with Trump, voters were convinced that they could challenge the status-quo with the "outsider" candidate that was Obama. I think he really tried at the start but slowly got worn down as Republicans and even his own party simply couldn't get anything done without butting heads.

The thing is about his run is that he was a one-in-a-million candidate. The exception to a pattern that had remained unbroken since Humphrey. Just look at the previous Democratic candidates from the past 35 years: Kerry, Clinton (Bill), Gore, Dukakis. The common denominator here is that they all ran boring campaigns with meh levels of charisma. These people were definitely milquetoast but still got the nominations. That is the normal, and will likely remain so until you get someone similar to Obama, which I don't expect will happen for awhile.

You are right about 2012 Obama though, he ran a perfect ground campaign and Romney just couldn't turn out the more grassroot Republicans.

I think people are starting to realize that running an exciting campaign built on hope does not translate well into actual legislation. While he didn't get the nomination either of the two time he tried, Bernie would most certainly turned out the same way had he won, ran a campaign promising change only to be battered down by opposition from the GOP and more centrist Democrats. The outcome of this is ultimately cynicism. We can't expect people to put faith into a system that constantly lies to them and doesn't produce anything but gridlocks. Sooner or later that hopeful campaign shtick is going to run out of gas.

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Re: The General Political Thread
« Reply #5296 on: November 06, 2020, 08:51:15 am »
I don't know if the DNC would even allow a candidate like Yang to ever become the frontrunner. They run boring, milquetoast neoliberals because that's precisely what most of the center-left want: a boring president that you don't have to worry about.

On the other hand, the imminent recession caused by COVID could be its best shot for years to come. The moratoriums for millions are about to end and food banks are getting longer lines every day. Something drastic needs to happen in order to avoid an even bigger disaster than it already is. It'll get shit on by some of the right for being "socialism" while the establishment continues to ignore every problem in the country in it while continuing to suck up to its donors, but I don't really see a better opportunity.

This is not true. Obama was a remarkably unknown state senator and came in at a time when he was given almost no shot. Hillary Clinton was a enormous favorite and Obama won people over with his message of hope and great change. Obama invigorated many people and ran 2 very successful campaigns. Regardless of what you think Obama did or didn't do for America you have to agree that he was by no means a "boring, milquetoast neoliberal" candidate because he was the complete opposite.

I'll admit Obama was a breath of fresh air. He is an exceptional orator and his everyman image certainly helped, but the outside figures certainly boosted him in 08. The recession was in full swing and opinions were turning sour towards the Iraq War, something both Clinton and McCain were adamant about continuing. Much like with Trump, voters were convinced that they could challenge the status-quo with the "outsider" candidate that was Obama. I think he really tried at the start but slowly got worn down as Republicans and even his own party simply couldn't get anything done without butting heads.

The thing is about his run is that he was a one-in-a-million candidate. The exception to a pattern that had remained unbroken since Humphrey. Just look at the previous Democratic candidates from the past 35 years: Kerry, Clinton (Bill), Gore, Dukakis. The common denominator here is that they all ran boring campaigns with meh levels of charisma. These people were definitely milquetoast but still got the nominations. That is the normal, and will likely remain so until you get someone similar to Obama, which I don't expect will happen for awhile.

You are right about 2012 Obama though, he ran a perfect ground campaign and Romney just couldn't turn out the more grassroot Republicans.

I think people are starting to realize that running an exciting campaign built on hope does not translate well into actual legislation. While he didn't get the nomination either of the two time he tried, Bernie would most certainly turned out the same way had he won, ran a campaign promising change only to be battered down by opposition from the GOP and more centrist Democrats. The outcome of this is ultimately cynicism. We can't expect people to put faith into a system that constantly lies to them and doesn't produce anything but gridlocks. Sooner or later that hopeful campaign shtick is going to run out of gas.

Again you are wrong, as Bill Clinton was ironically plagued by a extramarital affair in his 1992 campaign and had finished 3rd in the Iowa and 2nd in the New Hampshire primaries. He came into the primaries as a southern state governor and wasn't until super tuesday did he establish himself as a legitimate candidate. In the actual election he capitalized similarly to Barack Obama on a weak economy and I would argue was a pretty good candidate. Turnout increased by 5 percent from 1998 to 1992 and he found much success across much of America including his native south, despite Ross Perot's early polling leads. His 2nd campaign in the 1996 election saw turnout go down 5 percent again although that's not something I would fault Bill for as much as his opposition. Bob Dole was not the greatest candidate and Ross Perot no longer had much of a base at all.

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Re: The General Political Thread
« Reply #5297 on: November 06, 2020, 09:57:53 am »
God bless the USA and Joe Biden I guess.

Remember how McCain conceded to Obama? That's how a honest and self-confident patriot embodies freedom and presidential grace. Now, there's an incumbent who has repeated "I,I,I", "fraud", and "stealing the election" for months now and still fails to look at anything beyond his own interest and ego. The Republicans will remain an important power imo, but they'll have to look at their greatest predecessors and get rid of those who pretend to defend freedom and the people's rights instead of actually committing themselves to the cause. No "Oh I pray all day to the DEAR LOD and JESUS" will fix this. It's up to honest reappraisal.
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Re: The General Political Thread
« Reply #5299 on: November 06, 2020, 01:24:29 pm »
I don't know if the DNC would even allow a candidate like Yang to ever become the frontrunner. They run boring, milquetoast neoliberals because that's precisely what most of the center-left want: a boring president that you don't have to worry about.

On the other hand, the imminent recession caused by COVID could be its best shot for years to come. The moratoriums for millions are about to end and food banks are getting longer lines every day. Something drastic needs to happen in order to avoid an even bigger disaster than it already is. It'll get shit on by some of the right for being "socialism" while the establishment continues to ignore every problem in the country in it while continuing to suck up to its donors, but I don't really see a better opportunity.

This is not true. Obama was a remarkably unknown state senator and came in at a time when he was given almost no shot. Hillary Clinton was a enormous favorite and Obama won people over with his message of hope and great change. Obama invigorated many people and ran 2 very successful campaigns. Regardless of what you think Obama did or didn't do for America you have to agree that he was by no means a "boring, milquetoast neoliberal" candidate because he was the complete opposite.

I'll admit Obama was a breath of fresh air. He is an exceptional orator and his everyman image certainly helped, but the outside figures certainly boosted him in 08. The recession was in full swing and opinions were turning sour towards the Iraq War, something both Clinton and McCain were adamant about continuing. Much like with Trump, voters were convinced that they could challenge the status-quo with the "outsider" candidate that was Obama. I think he really tried at the start but slowly got worn down as Republicans and even his own party simply couldn't get anything done without butting heads.

The thing is about his run is that he was a one-in-a-million candidate. The exception to a pattern that had remained unbroken since Humphrey. Just look at the previous Democratic candidates from the past 35 years: Kerry, Clinton (Bill), Gore, Dukakis. The common denominator here is that they all ran boring campaigns with meh levels of charisma. These people were definitely milquetoast but still got the nominations. That is the normal, and will likely remain so until you get someone similar to Obama, which I don't expect will happen for awhile.

You are right about 2012 Obama though, he ran a perfect ground campaign and Romney just couldn't turn out the more grassroot Republicans.

I think people are starting to realize that running an exciting campaign built on hope does not translate well into actual legislation. While he didn't get the nomination either of the two time he tried, Bernie would most certainly turned out the same way had he won, ran a campaign promising change only to be battered down by opposition from the GOP and more centrist Democrats. The outcome of this is ultimately cynicism. We can't expect people to put faith into a system that constantly lies to them and doesn't produce anything but gridlocks. Sooner or later that hopeful campaign shtick is going to run out of gas.

Again you are wrong, as Bill Clinton was ironically plagued by a extramarital affair in his 1992 campaign and had finished 3rd in the Iowa and 2nd in the New Hampshire primaries. He came into the primaries as a southern state governor and wasn't until super tuesday did he establish himself as a legitimate candidate. In the actual election he capitalized similarly to Barack Obama on a weak economy and I would argue was a pretty good candidate. Turnout increased by 5 percent from 1998 to 1992 and he found much success across much of America including his native south, despite Ross Perot's early polling leads. His 2nd campaign in the 1996 election saw turnout go down 5 percent again although that's not something I would fault Bill for as much as his opposition. Bob Dole was not the greatest candidate and Ross Perot no longer had much of a base at all.

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Re: The General Political Thread
« Reply #5301 on: November 07, 2020, 12:36:48 am »
I clicked through all of it you bastard

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« Reply #5304 on: November 07, 2020, 05:11:29 am »
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« Reply #5305 on: November 07, 2020, 08:22:12 am »
Damn. Looks like a Pyrrhic victory at best for the Dems. Republicans may have lost their best meatshield in history, but they gained in the house and held the senate (unless the GA runoff goes favorably for the Dems). They will certainly come back with a vengeance in '22 and given historical trends, it could be a complete blowout barring any major revelations.

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« Reply #5306 on: November 07, 2020, 06:21:11 pm »
UBI is stupid and I will never support someone who wants it

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« Reply #5307 on: November 07, 2020, 06:55:17 pm »
Damn. Looks like a Pyrrhic victory at best for the Dems. Republicans may have lost their best meatshield in history, but they gained in the house and held the senate (unless the GA runoff goes favorably for the Dems). They will certainly come back with a vengeance in '22 and given historical trends, it could be a complete blowout barring any major revelations.
Imagine if Republicans could scrounge up a half decent candidate? Would probably go very poorly for Biden. But historically he will probably win his second term as long as he Doesn’t massively fuck up or die.
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« Reply #5308 on: November 07, 2020, 06:58:39 pm »
Damn. Looks like a Pyrrhic victory at best for the Dems. Republicans may have lost their best meatshield in history, but they gained in the house and held the senate (unless the GA runoff goes favorably for the Dems). They will certainly come back with a vengeance in '22 and given historical trends, it could be a complete blowout barring any major revelations.
Imagine if Republicans could scrounge up a half decent candidate? Would probably go very poorly for Biden. But historically he will probably win his second term as long as he Doesn’t massively fuck up or die.

They don't even need a half decent candidate. Trump would have annihilated Biden if he just shut his mouth and came up with a somewhat effective COVID response.

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« Reply #5309 on: November 07, 2020, 07:01:22 pm »
God bless the USA and Joe Biden I guess.


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