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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #3960 on: June 28, 2018, 11:40:46 pm »
People have always gravitated towards those with similar views, that’s just human nature. You say social media kills public debate but if anything it enhances it.
Enhances it? People just block you if they dont agree with you. You cant block someone in RL. How exactly does it enhance public debate?!
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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #3961 on: June 28, 2018, 11:52:52 pm »
People have always gravitated towards those with similar views, that’s just human nature. You say social media kills public debate but if anything it enhances it.
Enhances it? People just block you if they dont agree with you. You cant block someone in RL. How exactly does it enhance public debate?!
People who block you won’t debate you in real life because they don’t want the disagreement. There are thousands of discussions about politics on social media every day. Way more than in public because it’s much easier to talk to someone online from all around the world.

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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #3962 on: June 28, 2018, 11:55:47 pm »
People have always gravitated towards those with similar views, that’s just human nature. You say social media kills public debate but if anything it enhances it.
Enhances it? People just block you if they dont agree with you. You cant block someone in RL. How exactly does it enhance public debate?!
People who block you won’t debate you in real life because they don’t want the disagreement. There are thousands of discussions about politics on social media every day. Way more than in public because it’s much easier to talk to someone online from all around the world.
Where? Im pretty active on Twitter, following people from pretty much EVERY political spectrum. I dont read discussions. I just read people telling people they agree with that they are right.

Blocking is a LOT easier then walking away from a discussion Toffee wouldnt you agree? :)
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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #3963 on: June 28, 2018, 11:58:41 pm »
People have always gravitated towards those with similar views, that’s just human nature. You say social media kills public debate but if anything it enhances it.
Enhances it? People just block you if they dont agree with you. You cant block someone in RL. How exactly does it enhance public debate?!
That was the American election of 2016 summed up. Groupthink on a massive scale left people stunned at the idea of a Trump victory and even today I find stuff saying '2018 vibes, block all Trump supporters because we don't need that racist energy' 

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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #3964 on: June 29, 2018, 12:02:09 am »
And before that, who did people talk to? Their neighbours, their colleagues, their fellow church-goers; the people in the same social class as they, from the same region (or even street) as they.

The Dutch concept of columnization is a perfect example of a divided society living in their little echo-boxes. There were Catholic schools, Catholic hospitals, Catholic unions, Catholic societies, Catholic sport organizations, Catholic newspaper and later even Catholic radio and TV. Same for the protestants, same for the socialists, and in lesser degree the same for Liberals (who were a tiny upper-middle class group) and Jews (who most people just ignored as much as they could). My history Teacher told us about how he was not allowed to even talk with kids in his own street because they were of the different religion, and how he had to cycle all the way through town for the Catholic school even though there was a perfectly fine (Protestant) school very close.

People always think the times they live in are definitely worse then those in the past. Please. The people who only listen to those who agree with them on twitter are the same people shouting you would go to hell for reading a Protestant newspaper 50 years ago. Nothing has changed, just the way we experience it.
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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #3965 on: June 29, 2018, 12:02:26 am »
People have always gravitated towards those with similar views, that’s just human nature. You say social media kills public debate but if anything it enhances it.
Enhances it? People just block you if they dont agree with you. You cant block someone in RL. How exactly does it enhance public debate?!
People who block you won’t debate you in real life because they don’t want the disagreement. There are thousands of discussions about politics on social media every day. Way more than in public because it’s much easier to talk to someone online from all around the world.
Where? Im pretty active on Twitter, following people from pretty much EVERY political spectrum. I dont read discussions. I just read people telling people they agree with that they are right.

Blocking is a LOT easier then walking away from a discussion Toffee wouldnt you agree? :)
What about what we’re doing right now? We’ve all been discussing politics for years from the comfort of our homes. This happens all over the internet. And if someone walks away from a conversation with you please don’t continue to follow them. That’s slightly weird

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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #3966 on: June 29, 2018, 12:07:24 am »
I really like the quote from Adam Curtis Documentary "Hypernormalisation" (Go watch it my dudes): "Their Opposition was only read by people already backing their believes, so it had no effect"

And before that, who did people talk to? Their neighbours, their colleagues, their fellow church-goers; the people in the same social class as they, from the same region (or even street) as they.

The Dutch concept of columnization is a perfect example of a divided society living in their little echo-boxes. There were Catholic schools, Catholic hospitals, Catholic unions, Catholic societies, Catholic sport organizations, Catholic newspaper and later even Catholic radio and TV. Same for the protestants, same for the socialists, and in lesser degree the same for Liberals (who were a tiny upper-middle class group) and Jews (who most people just ignored as much as they could). My history Teacher told us about how he was not allowed to even talk with kids in his own street because they were of the different religion, and how he had to cycle all the way through town for the Catholic school even though there was a perfectly fine (Protestant) school very close.

People always think the times they live in are definitely worse then those in the past. Please. The people who only listen to those who agree with them on twitter are the same people shouting you would go to hell for reading a Protestant newspaper 50 years ago. Nothing has changed, just the way we experience it.
I do believe that there was a tiny timeframe from the 80s to ~2010 where it was different.

People have always gravitated towards those with similar views, that’s just human nature. You say social media kills public debate but if anything it enhances it.
Enhances it? People just block you if they dont agree with you. You cant block someone in RL. How exactly does it enhance public debate?!
People who block you won’t debate you in real life because they don’t want the disagreement. There are thousands of discussions about politics on social media every day. Way more than in public because it’s much easier to talk to someone online from all around the world.
Where? Im pretty active on Twitter, following people from pretty much EVERY political spectrum. I dont read discussions. I just read people telling people they agree with that they are right.

Blocking is a LOT easier then walking away from a discussion Toffee wouldnt you agree? :)
What about what we’re doing right now? We’ve all been discussing politics for years from the comfort of our homes. This happens all over the internet. And if someone walks away from a conversation with you please don’t continue to follow them. That’s slightly weird
I was talking about major Social Media, not FSE. And I never said that im following people who walk away from me? Its harder to run from an actual discussion because you have to face defeat, you are essentially publicly shamed because you couldnt take part in the debate anymore. On Twitter you press a button
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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #3967 on: June 29, 2018, 12:15:31 am »
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Schools in the west haven't taught discipline for a very long time, specifically dating back to when physical punishment was ruled out (pun intended).
I agree schools should do more to teach kids discipline and hard work which they don't really in Europe and North America. Physical punishment is not needed to teach discipline and can be harmful for development of young. Though that doesn't mean force shouldn't be allowed to use in school when it is necessary (protecting other students...)

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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #3968 on: June 29, 2018, 12:18:57 am »
Caz, twitter literally allows anybody to tweet at the President of the USA, the most powerful man in the world. Could you say that before social media? It allows people to voice their opinion better than ever before.

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« Reply #3969 on: June 29, 2018, 12:20:45 am »
Not too mention it helps organizing and mobilizing voters, especially hard to reach groups like first-time-voters and minorities. That's the real impact of social media on politics.

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« Reply #3970 on: June 29, 2018, 12:22:53 am »
Not too mention it helps organizing and mobilizing voters, especially hard to reach groups like first-time-voters and minorities. That's the real impact of social media on politics.
Another point that is adressed extremely well by Hypernormalisation. Again, can only recomment watching.

Caz, twitter literally allows anybody to tweet at the President of the USA, the most powerful man in the world. Could you say that before social media? It allows people to voice their opinion better than ever before.
How often does he respond? I agree on the opinion bit, but voicing your opinion and debating are 2 kinds of things.
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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #3971 on: June 29, 2018, 12:25:07 am »
Caz, twitter literally allows anybody to tweet at the President of the USA, the most powerful man in the world. Could you say that before social media? It allows people to voice their opinion better than ever before.
Only it is usually (in case of celebrities -  lets be honest here most people wont see or care what Bill Dill wrote)  not their opinion. They are saying things that benefit them and won't say thing that will hurt their reputation. Or even worse just push ideas of other people for something in return. It is like supposed free media, where in USA you have this big news companies that just bombarded with anti Trump propaganda while smaller news companies aren't really noticed.

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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #3972 on: June 29, 2018, 12:30:01 am »
Not too mention it helps organizing and mobilizing voters, especially hard to reach groups like first-time-voters and minorities. That's the real impact of social media on politics.
Voters should find a party/politocal ideas they would support themselves, otherways they are not fit to vote.

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« Reply #3973 on: June 29, 2018, 11:07:49 am »
Okay, I understand you probably think you weren't succesfully targeted by a political organisation, because people tend to think those effects only work on other people, but I can assure you, you were.

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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #3974 on: June 29, 2018, 01:47:43 pm »
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