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« Reply #3285 on: May 05, 2018, 12:53:00 pm »
Russia sucks and should burn in hell.
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« Reply #3286 on: May 05, 2018, 12:54:24 pm »
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When did Russia beat Yuan Emperor of China a.k.a. Gengis Khan? As far as I know they allied him.
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« Reply #3287 on: May 05, 2018, 01:05:07 pm »
Remember kids, promoting seperatism within the Russian Federation means three years prison time, promoting seperatism towards it means a premiership, a medal and a meet-and-greet with Putin.
Well, the conquering of the Crimea was a strategic move, since the pro-american ukrainian president Piotr Poroshenko was planning to let the NATO’s build a base there. You don’t need to be into the politics to understand the simple fact - No one needs destabilization in that region. Please don’r forget the Crimea Autonomy had and has a right to choose their own way of the development. They made a choice, under ~90% voted for the reunification with Russia.
Pre-history of the Ukrainian local conflict:
Everything was good until Piotr issued a law about “restriction of the russian language”. After the idiotic law was half-accepted few regions which were ~80% russian-talking resisted it and defended a right to speak the language of their ancestors.

Like, absolutely none of this is correct and you get names, facts and even timeline wrong. There has never been a law about restricting the Russian language.

Mate, the government was occupied by bandits and freaks during the West&Co sponsored revolution , to understand this you need to see their speeches.

Also not true. The previous cabinet resigned and the parliament elected a new one which had majority support. Even if you disagree with the way the presidency was handled, the fall of the cabinet was perfectly democratic and constitutional.

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My father was in Kiev few days ago. The situation is really awful.

Let me guess. Nazi militia's roaming the streets to slit the throat of anyone who dares to utter a word of Russian?
Mate, i feel really bad about you not knowing the basis facts about the Russian-Ukrainian conflict but trying to argue. I see right to a tea bullshit from the BBC, you better ask the ukrainians about it.
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« Reply #3288 on: May 05, 2018, 01:10:37 pm »
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When did Russia beat Yuan Emperor of China a.k.a. Gengis Khan? As far as I know they allied him.
Literally no one here were killed by russians.
Gengis Khan(Temuchzhin) was a Khan of the Great Mongolian Empire. You are talking about his grandson Hoobilai
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They were drawn the same way.
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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #3289 on: May 05, 2018, 01:14:02 pm »
I am not suggesting to invade Russia. All I am saying is that Russia is garbage.

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« Reply #3290 on: May 05, 2018, 01:17:44 pm »
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For terrorists inside the Germany army is of little use,  and terrorist states that army could be useful against arw far away. What eastern invasion? Russia?

Yes, Russia, the country to our east that has been invading people.

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Germany doesn't needs own military, if Russia strikes them USA will save them. If European union is Holy Roman Empire than Germany is Habsburgs.

Are you nine years old?

Last time 'Russia' was threat to Europe it was in WWII. After that Soviet Union would be able to invade Europe and take if it wasn't for USA having nukes. But as the time went on Soviet Union became weaker and weaker compared to USA and USA military was exaggerating Soviet power so they would get more and more funds, but in reality there was never balance of power, USA always had big advantage. In case of nuclear war Soviet union would have done a lot less damage to USA even USA has nicely packed mega cities while Russia is more decentralized from that point of view. Only advantage Russia/Soviets always had was more cost efficient equipment, devices, ect. ... because they were forced into that, US military isn't. The reason new technologies are usually first used in military is not because military would be most important but because military usually has the army and builds devices no matter the cost of production, because you will never make profit from a bomb exploding so you can't evaluate it's 'selling price' (unless you get some resource from winning some war, which usually is not the case).

Only 'invasion' Russia did since WW2 into Europe was Ukraine because they were trying to join NATO (at least half of the country did). Imagine today Mexico decides to join into alliance with Russia and let's Russia build military bases there I bet we would see no violence there ...

So no Europe is in no danger from the Russia. Only threat is USA which basically has Europe occupied since 1945.



And before you start saying 'whataboutism', we are talking about why Germany (doesn't) need military not about Russia invading Ukraine, so I can talk about USA all i want.

No I'm 10.

Longest period of relative peace in Europe was the 19th century if you're looking at the continent as a whole, not just its North-Western portion.
Technicalities. Europe has been very peaceful in contrast to the majority of the past, agree? We haven’t had a war between two major European powers for 70+ years. The 19th century saw the Napoleonic Wars which raged for more than a decade and a half as well as the Crimean war and the Franco-Prussian war. Sure there has been conflict in certain regions but considering the destruction that previous wars have brought such as WW2, we’re not doing so bad
Europe has never been so peaceful as it is since 1945 until now. Only time period Europe might have been more peaceful was inside Roman Empire for some time. Middle ages were basically constant wars among nobles, religions, hordes. New age from 1492-1815 was also constant wars. After Napoleon you got bunch of revolutions, formation of Italy and Germany, Crimean war, Balkan Wars, Bismarck's march on Paris in 1871. Even if there wasn't as much war in Europe, European countries were involved in wars around the Globe which effect's European population. It is true though these few wars since 1945 were pretty brutal compared to wars in middle ages and new age.

Russia took control of the Crimea illegally and took advantage of a country in crisis. Yes that’s been done by the west many a team and they’ve received their due criticism, as should Russia.
West received criticism by some people, but that was basically all it happened. On the other hand you have media that defends western illegal actions and is heavily biased with information (not saying Russian media is any better). While Russia is criticized by most of the media and get sanctions and actual punishment. So yes let's criticize Russia a bit more and keep ignoring fact west get's away with most of illegal stuff, that makes a lot of sense.

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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #3291 on: May 05, 2018, 01:19:16 pm »
I am not suggesting to invade Russia. All I am saying is that Russia is garbage.
You said “Russia sucks and should burn in hell.”
Mate, you are a disgusting prick.

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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #3292 on: May 05, 2018, 01:20:48 pm »
Russia sucks and should burn in hell.
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When did Russia beat Yuan Emperor of China a.k.a. Gengis Khan? As far as I know they allied him.
Literally no one here were killed by russians.
Gengis Khan(Temuchzhin) was a Khan of the Great Mongolian Empire. You are talking about his grandson Hoobilai
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They were drawn the same way.
I mean Genghis was also emperor of China. And 0.5% of world's population has his genes.

I am not suggesting to invade Russia. All I am saying is that Russia is garbage.
Why is it garbage?
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« Reply #3293 on: May 05, 2018, 01:31:43 pm »
For the future disscussion.
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1)West received criticism by some people, but that was basically all it happened. On the other hand you have media that defends western illegal actions and is heavily biased with information (not saying Russian media is any better). While Russia is criticized by most of the media and get sanctions and actual punishment. So yes let's criticize Russia a bit more and keep ignoring fact west get's away with most of illegal stuff, that makes a lot of sense.

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2)Only 'invasion' Russia did since WW2 into Europe was Ukraine because they were trying to join NATO (at least half of the country did). Imagine today Mexico decides to join into alliance with Russia and let's Russia build military bases there I bet we would see no violence there ...

So no Europe is in no danger from the Russia. Only threat is USA which basically has Europe occupied since 1945.




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« Reply #3294 on: May 05, 2018, 01:36:18 pm »
Russia sucks and should burn in hell.
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When did Russia beat Yuan Emperor of China a.k.a. Gengis Khan? As far as I know they allied him.
Literally no one here were killed by russians.
Gengis Khan(Temuchzhin) was a Khan of the Great Mongolian Empire. You are talking about his grandson Hoobilai
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They were drawn the same way.
I mean Genghis was also emperor of China. And 1% of world's population has his genes.

I am not suggesting to invade Russia. All I am saying is that Russia is garbage.
Why is it garbage?
Was he?
Btw I personally have the Chingis Khan DNA, my old-old ancestors were from Mongolia. For example - my grandpa - Al Mashani
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« Reply #3295 on: May 05, 2018, 01:46:18 pm »
It's Russia. Obviously it is garbage. It is a "ex"-soviet country... There is no way it could not be garbage.

I am sorry (not), but I am biased towards hating communism.

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« Reply #3296 on: May 05, 2018, 01:47:18 pm »
Mate, i feel really bad about you not knowing the basis facts about the Russian-Ukrainian conflict but trying to argue. I see right to a tea bullshit from the BBC, you better ask the ukrainians about it.
If you want so, PM me, I will send you the teamspeak.

I visited Ukraine two times, I have dozens of Ukrainian friends, I did volunteer work with Ukrainian children from Donetsk and Luhansk Regions and I have a (Russian-speaking) Ukrainian boyfriend. But don't you worry, I'll ask them.

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1)West received criticism by some people, but that was basically all it happened. On the other hand you have media that defends western illegal actions and is heavily biased with information (not saying Russian media is any better). While Russia is criticized by most of the media and get sanctions and actual punishment. So yes let's criticize Russia a bit more and keep ignoring fact west get's away with most of illegal stuff, that makes a lot of sense.

Whataboutism.

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Imagine today Mexico decides to join into alliance with Russia and let's Russia build military bases there I bet we would see no violence there ...

But Mexico doesn't want to join an alliance with Russia because Russia is a shit country with the economy per capita of Greece. Russia (and apparantly Russians) are utterly incapable of seeing other post-soviet states as independent, soevereign nations. They seem to think Russia, and Russia alone, has some solid right to interfere. And worst, they seem to think that everybody thinks that way. That the world is some pie you can divide, and that Russia somehow is equal to the United States in power and influence.

The only thing Russia has to offer is war, instability and threats. That's why it invades countries; there is no other way it can control its minion states other then wreck them as they try assert their independence. It's no use debating this with Russians, because they always think the same way: First they deny, and then, when evidence becomes too overwhelming, they just say (and honestly believe) it's their right. Russia could literally nuke Kyiv tomorrow, killing millions of its Russian-speaking inhabitans, and still you would somehow think this is acceptable behavior because 'that's just how the world works'. Seriously, how many people need to die before you people will learn?

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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #3297 on: May 05, 2018, 01:54:30 pm »
Longest period of relative peace in Europe was the 19th century if you're looking at the continent as a whole, not just its North-Western portion.
Technicalities. Europe has been very peaceful in contrast to the majority of the past, agree? We haven’t had a war between two major European powers for 70+ years. The 19th century saw the Napoleonic Wars which raged for more than a decade and a half as well as the Crimean war and the Franco-Prussian war. Sure there has been conflict in certain regions but considering the destruction that previous wars have brought such as WW2, we’re not doing so bad

You don't need a war between major powers to see high death rates and if you try and start back from post-1945 it doesn't really work given Greek Civil War, Algeria, Yugoslav Wars, etc. Really depends on how you want to define your period re: dates.

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« Reply #3298 on: May 05, 2018, 01:55:55 pm »
Mate, i feel really bad about you not knowing the basis facts about the Russian-Ukrainian conflict but trying to argue. I see right to a tea bullshit from the BBC, you better ask the ukrainians about it.
If you want so, PM me, I will send you the teamspeak.

I visited Ukraine two times, I have dozens of Ukrainian friends, I did volunteer work with Ukrainian children from Donetsk and Luhansk Regions and I have a (Russian-speaking) Ukrainian boyfriend. But don't you worry, I'll ask them.

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1)West received criticism by some people, but that was basically all it happened. On the other hand you have media that defends western illegal actions and is heavily biased with information (not saying Russian media is any better). While Russia is criticized by most of the media and get sanctions and actual punishment. So yes let's criticize Russia a bit more and keep ignoring fact west get's away with most of illegal stuff, that makes a lot of sense.

Whataboutism.

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Imagine today Mexico decides to join into alliance with Russia and let's Russia build military bases there I bet we would see no violence there ...

But Mexico doesn't want to join an alliance with Russia because Russia is a shit country with the economy per capita of Greece. Russia (and apparantly Russians) are utterly incapable of seeing other post-soviet states as independent, soevereign nations. They seem to think Russia, and Russia alone, has some solid right to interfere. And worst, they seem to think that everybody thinks that way. That the world is some pie you can divide, and that Russia somehow is equal to the United States in power and influence.

The only thing Russia has to offer is war, instability and threats. That's why it invades countries; there is no other way it can control its minion states other then wreck them as they try assert their independence. It's no use debating this with Russians, because they always think the same way: First they deny, and then, when evidence becomes too overwhelming, they just say (and honestly believe) it's their right. Russia could literally nuke Kyiv tomorrow, killing millions of its Russian-speaking inhabitans, and still you would somehow think this is acceptable behavior because 'that's just how the world works'. Seriously, how many people need to die before you people will learn?
A whataboutism person’s talking about the whataboutism, haha.
Is it for real that you have a ukrainian boyfriend?
What’s about the volunteer’s work? Which organization?

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« Reply #3299 on: May 05, 2018, 01:57:19 pm »
It's Russia. Obviously it is garbage. It is a "ex"-soviet country... There is no way it could not be garbage.

I am sorry (not), but I am biased towards hating communism.
No one cares about communism, it’s dead.
You’ve said shit about Russia, that we should burn in hell.
Mate, as I told you before - you are a disgusting prick.