The General Political Thread

[Olafson]

Stop writing

REEEEEEEEEEEE.

it triggers me almost as much as Holdfasts rivers do.

[Furrnox]

Good.

[McPero]

Mcpero you just said that there was no natural resources produced there and then gave a valuable resource.

I don’t agree with conscription since it violates citizen rights unless it’s in extraordinary circumstances.

I said apart from steel and steel is mostly just iron which is not hard to come by. Their biggest threat Russia has enough of it.

Extraordinary circumstances is just an excuse for violation of human rights.

[Duuring]

I can only speak for myself but I do oppose conscription because not only is it semi ineffective but it also more importantly violates my personal freedoms which I'd only accept being overwritten if we were in some kind of extreme crisis.
Which news flash Sweden isn't. I'd still support increased military spending though especially since Russia can't leave our airspace and waters alone REEEEE.

The government forcing you to do something isn't necessarily a violation of personal freedoms. Unless you're one of those people that think seatbelt regulations are a violation of your personal liberties, of course.

[Furrnox]

I don't think that is as severe as potentially forcing me to kill someone.

[Duuring]

But conscription also offers non-combat or non-militairy paths.

[Toffee]

But conscription also offers non-combat or non-militairy paths.

It may for some. But for those who are conscripted into combat roles, they’re essentially being forced into a kill or be killed situation in the event of invasion.

[Duuring]

No, because you still voluntarily choose the military path.

[Furrnox]

But conscription also offers non-combat or non-militairy paths.

True, but there's the risk of those positions already being filled & I'd be bound by the military for however long the mandatory military service is.

[Toffee]

No, because you still voluntarily choose the military path.

Under some circumstances maybe but could you guarantee that for everybody?

[Duuring]

But conscription also offers non-combat or non-militairy paths.

True, but there's the risk of those positions already being filled & I'd be bound by the military for however long the mandatory military service is.

Alternative service should not have a maximum quota. In that case, yes, it is against civil liberties.

No, because you still voluntarily choose the military path.

Under some circumstances maybe but could you guarantee that for everybody?

Yes. You are given a choice between two options. You choose one.

[Toffee]

Not in every country. In the US draft once you’re inducted you can’t choose where they put you

[Duuring]

In that case, yes, it is against civil liberties.

Although putting yourself in harms way for the benefit of society is legally pretty old and established.

[StevenChilton]

Lol, Britain is leaving the EU and the Dutch are going to pay for it.
I look forward to Merkel, with Macron just behind her, walking over Amsterdam and making them pay up. It's quite clever how the Germans have managed to get other people to finance their empire.

Called it!
https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2018/05/dutch-dig-in-heels-rise-in-eu-budget-is-not-acceptable-says-prime-minister/

[Kore]

EU is a joke at this point.