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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #2805 on: April 05, 2018, 11:21:46 pm »
Whilst we’re talking about the UK it should be noted that firearm laws were changed after the massacre.

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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #2806 on: April 05, 2018, 11:42:04 pm »
If I'm not mistaken, rifle rounds are more deadly due to their increased velocity and the speed they're fired at. They do more damage to the human body.


1. A victim hit by a rifle shot will have more damage done to his or her body then if the victim were hit by a 'smaller' pistol round. I think we can all agree on that.

2. Rifles have a longer effective range, meaning a shooter can start firing at a longer distance. Though I admit that training and the ability to stabilize the gun also effects this.

3. Bigger cartridges, faster rate of fire. The fact that a shooter can put more lead in the air with a rifle then with a handgun in the same amount of time without reloading, makes it more likely that that shooter will hit more people. That's just math.

Of course, argument 2 doesn't stand if victims are all killed on the short range, and there are certain disadvantages to a rifle that a pistol doesn't have. Still, I think that the fact that rifles are simply more deadly then pistols due to bullet velocity is what makes all the difference in this case. I'm no gun expert, so feel free to rip holes in my argument.

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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #2807 on: April 06, 2018, 12:05:00 am »
i thought it was obvious that rifles were more deadly han handguns. like havent any of you played cod?
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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #2808 on: April 06, 2018, 12:05:39 am »
If I'm not mistaken, rifle rounds are more deadly due to their increased velocity and the speed they're fired at. They do more damage to the human body.


1. A victim hit by a rifle shot will have more damage done to his or her body then if the victim were hit by a 'smaller' pistol round. I think we can all agree on that.

Actual "stopping power" relies on so many variables, I'm not so sure it's a safe bet to make the assertion. Higher velocity only means more "damage" if the projectile fired is the same (or greater) mass, which isn't the case with many (particularly muh salt rifle) longarm cartridges. You have to keep in mind the formula of "Mass * Acceleration = Force".

As an example, a powerful 5.56x45mm round may have projectiles of 4.1 grams (or 63 grains) whereas 9x19mm (common handgun cartridge) can have projectiles of up to ~8 grams (~124 grains).

The reasoning behind these differences is quite obvious. Rifle cartridges are designed for accurate fire at distance, and heaver/larger projectiles hamper this. Firearms designed for close-in shooting can afford to focus mostly on raw stopping power.

3. Bigger cartridges, faster rate of fire.

Rate of fire is very similar across the board, since this term is purely describing the time it takes to chamber another round after firing a round. I know what you're getting at though, larger magazines do require reloads less - but that's something else entirely separate from the term "rate of fire".



Edit It should also be noted that "stopping power" has a ton of other factors, too, which make it really hard to determine power of cartridges. For instance, a lot of handgun cartridges are designed specifically for self defense purposes and thus are designed to expand and transfer as much of its energy to the target as possible; by contrast, a lot of 'salt rifle' cartridges are designed from a military perspective which are designed with other principal purposes in mind (like piercing armor).
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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #2809 on: April 06, 2018, 03:30:18 am »
^ this.

To make it simple, a shot from a handgun hurts more.
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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #2810 on: April 06, 2018, 07:24:48 am »
Maybe not. But it makes it harder than selling them freely.

lol, arguably the laws stopped her from using an AR-15 theoretically which in turn could have possibly led to more damage, but if she chose to use an AR-15 she would have likely been caught prior to entrance

gang sets in the US have AKs, gun laws don't make it harder to sell on the black market nonetheless

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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #2811 on: April 06, 2018, 09:41:40 am »
Wouldn’t it be nice if we lived in a world where America wasn’t obsessed with guns

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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #2812 on: April 06, 2018, 09:57:02 am »
well considering we're the global policeman no

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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #2813 on: April 06, 2018, 10:46:30 am »
well considering we're the global policeman no

Not sure that'll be the case for much longer tbh

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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #2814 on: April 06, 2018, 10:54:21 am »
you guys are basic

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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #2815 on: April 06, 2018, 02:49:10 pm »
Just give every civilian nukes already



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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #2816 on: April 06, 2018, 06:23:31 pm »
Just give every civilian nukes already
If the second amendment gives you rights to it, why not?

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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #2817 on: April 06, 2018, 07:39:20 pm »
Just give every civilian nukes already
If the second amendment gives you rights to it, why not?
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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #2818 on: April 09, 2018, 04:56:15 pm »
What do you think on the latest events in Syria? Would it grow into the new confrontaion in the region? Or status-quo remains?

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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #2819 on: April 09, 2018, 05:01:06 pm »
What do you think on the latest events in Syria? Would it grow into the new confrontaion in the region? Or status-quo remains?
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