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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #2640 on: March 07, 2018, 02:14:48 pm »
I mean look at Weimar Germany. It works okay!?!?!?

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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #2641 on: March 07, 2018, 09:10:08 pm »
Interested to see what people think about South Africa on this forum? Especially European's opinions but in general.
If you change whites to Jews and Africans to Germans you start to get some serious parallels, especially in the 'confiscating their land and wealth' to give to native Africans.

It's just disappointing to see.
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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #2642 on: March 09, 2018, 07:36:01 am »
Interested to see what people think about South Africa on this forum? Especially European's opinions but in general.
If you change whites to Jews and Africans to Germans you start to get some serious parallels, especially in the 'confiscating their land and wealth' to give to native Africans.

It's just disappointing to see.

Yeah but nazis were racist so this comparison doesnt work because its 2018, only white cis males can be racist.
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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #2643 on: March 10, 2018, 06:08:18 pm »

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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #2644 on: March 10, 2018, 07:42:04 pm »
Why is that disappointing?

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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #2645 on: March 10, 2018, 10:04:21 pm »
Shkreli broke the law by concealing his funds' losses early on, yes, but those funds eventually turned profitable (with some of his investors even admitting on the witness stand of his trial that partnering with Shkreli was a great investment).

This sentence was made in the name of politics, not justice. Seven years for securities fraud that didn't even cost his investors any money in the long run? Seems legit.
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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #2646 on: March 10, 2018, 10:09:05 pm »
Shkreli broke the law by concealing his funds' losses early on, yes, but those funds eventually turned profitable (with some of his investors even admitting on the witness stand of his trial that partnering with Shkreli was a great investment).

This sentence was made in the name of politics, not justice. Seven years for a crime that didn't even cost his investors any money in the long run? Seems legit.
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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #2647 on: March 10, 2018, 10:17:42 pm »
You break the law you go to jail

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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #2648 on: March 10, 2018, 10:26:51 pm »
As long as he's sentenced into the type of prison he belongs to be in, I think that's fair enough. He'll be fine, and I bet you when he gets released for good behaviour he'll be better

Here's hoping.

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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #2649 on: March 10, 2018, 10:32:27 pm »
He is a bit of a prick, hiked up the price of a life saving drug

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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #2650 on: March 10, 2018, 10:33:43 pm »
He is a bit of a prick, hiked up the price of a life saving drug
Which is sadly not uncommon in the pharma industry, and unlike other companies he invested in R & D with that profit. moral memes are worthless

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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #2651 on: March 10, 2018, 10:45:47 pm »
He is a bit of a prick, hiked up the price of a life saving drug
Which is sadly not uncommon in the pharma industry, and unlike other companies he invested in R & D with that profit. moral memes are worthless
He may have put the money into more research but that doesn’t help the people who needed that drug there and then

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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #2652 on: March 10, 2018, 11:02:08 pm »
It may just be me, but he doesn't seem like the kind of guy to reinvest that money in research, considering his fraud conviction. I'd imagine he was using it to line his pockets and invest in other companies. It's not like his company developed the drug in the first place, they just bought the rights to it then marked it up massively.
He's a prick.

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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #2653 on: March 10, 2018, 11:48:29 pm »
It may just be me, but he doesn't seem like the kind of guy to reinvest that money in research, considering his fraud conviction. I'd imagine he was using it to line his pockets and invest in other companies. It's not like his company developed the drug in the first place, they just bought the rights to it then marked it up massively.

Had Shkreli's sole motivation been profit, then buying the rights to daraprim would have been a moronic investment. At the time of its purchase, daraprim was an ineffective and harmful drug. Invented around 70 years ago, it inhibits the enzyme involved in causing the infection of toxoplasmosis but also inhibits a human enzyme which metabolites the vitamin B6 - quite a nasty side effect for people taking this drug daily.

Shkreli's company has since developed a new form of the drug which targets just the toxoplasma's enzyme, hence leading to no side effects. This was rather easy given modern computing and the ability to molecularly model the bug's enzyme, which wasn't possible at the time of the original drug's creation. So people who are particularly vulnerable to this bug, such as people with HIV, can take this newly developed drug in order to avoid getting toxoplasmosis in the first place, without the side effects of the original drug. I'm not sure if this new drug is in the hands of the infected at this moment in time.

So yeah, Shkreli and his company have invested both time and money into research and development projects. The evidence is out there, you just have to find it for yourself. (Lord knows the media articles you've most likely read won't share it.)
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Re: The General Political Thread - Brexit poll (#FSEXIT)
« Reply #2654 on: March 11, 2018, 12:18:45 am »
What is the name of this drug? I assume since you're using it to say it's okay that he hiked the price 5000% that it was available to every single person who took the pill immediately after the price was hiked?