The General Political Thread

[Duuring]

Norwegian are you trolling because this is silly. You sound like Putin's PR department. If Russia is such an innocent country then why have Russian soldiers been in the Ukraine?

In be4 'muh nazi coup', 'muh Russiaphobia', 'muh American imperialism is worse', 'muh Putin is just defending Russia' and 'muh NATO aggression'.

[Gojkov]

No, the Dutch report said MH17 was shot down by a BUK, made in Russia. Never, ever, was there any suggestion or claim it was done by an air-to-air guided missile. Where did you get that information?

https://www.rtlnieuws.nl/nieuws/binnenland/mh17-rapport-dit-zijn-de-belangrijkste-conclusies

Can't read the link you provided, I don't speak Dutch.

Even if it was shot down by a BUK missle system, still doesn't answer why would the russian shoot down a civilian plane? They didn't gain anything from it...

[Norwegian13]

Responding to your edit about Russian weaponry, it was in fact Soviet weaponry, that is also in posession of the Ukrainian army. There's no valid proof that shows it was separatist forces that shot down the plane. There's a working theory in Russia that the Ukrainians were in fact wishing to shoot down the Russian presidential plane which was going to fly a similar route, but instead ended up shooting down the wrong plane.

'A working theory'. Didn't know that was a new name for a 'totally retarded piece of fiction'.

Seperatists (including the leadership) were rejoicing on social media they shot down an airplane. They took pictures. Russian Media reported on it - and then it turned out a civilian airliner was missing, and they suddenly denied everything. They had actually shot down Antonov's before, supplying the border posts enclaves, and they were aiming for one of those again when they hit MH17 by accident.

To pretend none of that happens and suggest Ukraine would be retarded enough to shoot down Putin means you either just don't want to believe the truth or you're just an idiot. What would Ukraine gain? Giving Russians the perfect excuse to actually officially invade? Losing all support from allies by such an aggressive act, a warcrime even? Expanding a war they were winning? How, in your head, does this theory seem even remotely plausible?

An assassination of Putin would be ideal for Ukraine and the west, as at the moment there's nobody as strong as Putin to lead the Russian government. It's of course nice that you've gained your information from Wikipedia Duuring, but there's no proof that the separatist leaders actually even posted this stuff celebrating on social media. As I already mentioned, anything can be fabricated, especially in regards to Social Media posts. When a group of western 'investigators' go to Ukraine and claim to have spotted a Russian Colonel General who in fact was in Yekaterinburg and had never been in Ukraine (read the article I linked to in one of my responses earlier to Furrnox) they can literally come up with anything. Oh and, before you try and come combatting me with those audio recordings of separatist leaders talking about them wrongly shooting down a passanger plane, don't even bother because that's also fabricated.

Oh and don't you worry, this would have all been hushed up by the West and Ukraine itself as the separatists shooting down the wrong plane. Think about it, it's an excellent plan that would have worked excellently, had they not fired at the wrong plane and ended up downing the MH17.

What is a totally retarded piece of fiction is your theory that it was the Russians or the separatists who shot down the Malaysian jetliner. What the bloody hell do they gain from that?

[XIIIth_Baltimore]

Norwegian are you trolling because this is silly. You sound like Putin's PR department. If Russia is such an innocent country then why have Russian soldiers been in the Ukraine?

suka blyat, Who say you about russian solders in Ukraine?!!!! Your mom? mb she live in Donbass and say you about this, or you see this stupid news in your zombie box??

[Toffee]

Norwegian, Putin is the strongest leader for Russia because he keeps having all the others killed

[Gojkov]

Norwegian are you trolling because this is silly. You sound like Putin's PR department. If Russia is such an innocent country then why have Russian soldiers been in the Ukraine?

Why are US/NATO soldiers in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Lybia etc.? To protect their government's interests?

Russia sent soldiers for a few reasons: to protect those who declare themselves Russian in Ukraine and are under current Ukrainian government's oppression; to prevent Ukraine from joining NATO and having more NATO troops on its borders.

If NATO can bomb and ruin countries without anyone's approval, especially UN's, and go directly against the international law, then so can anyone else (Russia, China, North Korea, you name it).

[Norwegian13]

Norwegian are you trolling because this is silly. You sound like Putin's PR department. If Russia is such an innocent country then why have Russian soldiers been in the Ukraine?

In be4 'muh nazi coup', 'muh Russiaphobia', 'muh American imperialism is worse', 'muh Putin is just defending Russia' and 'muh NATO aggression'.

That's exactly how it is though.

It's you that come here with your 'muh Russian aggression', 'muh repression', 'muh liberal values are threatened!!', 'muh blame Russia for all the faults and inconviniences in my life'

Oh and I would gladly work for Putin's PR department, would be a pleasure. And no, I'm not trolling Toffee. You've just not experienced anyone with pro-Russian views talk to you before, I guess.

@Conway I don't trust an ounce of what BBC says about Ukraine or the Crimean situation, seeing as they have their goals for it as well. BBC is owned by the British government, the British government is a potential ally of Ukraine in the EU and in NATO, so of course the Brits would want the Ukrainians to win. It's all very simple really.

Norwegian, Putin is the strongest leader for Russia because he keeps having all the others killed

And again, no proof for this. Russia has some good leader candidates too though, Lavrov and Shoigu are two great men I believe could do a marvellous job at leading Russia, but they need to be prepared for it, and I don't think they'd be ready for the task if Putin would suddenly die.

[Toffee]

lmao the BBC is not owned by the British government

[Gojkov]

Norwegian, Putin is the strongest leader for Russia because he keeps having all the others killed

You really miss having Stalin and KGB around, don't you?

[Norwegian13]

lmao the BBC is not owned by the British government

Who is it owned by then? It's irrelevant anyways, since they'll still be propagating the British view regardless of who owns them.

[Toffee]

Norwegian, Putin is the strongest leader for Russia because he keeps having all the others killed

You really miss having Stalin and KGB around, don't you?

Just because they were pricks that doesn't make Putin good

[Conway]

An assassination of Putin would be ideal for Ukraine and the west, as at the moment there's nobody as strong as Putin to lead the Russian government.

Yes, we wouldn't want any of those weak, capitalist, democrats running Russia would we?
Der Führer Vladmir keep Russia stronk backbone of cripple world.

[Norwegian13]

An assassination of Putin would be ideal for Ukraine and the west, as at the moment there's nobody as strong as Putin to lead the Russian government.

Yes, we wouldn't want any of those weak, capitalist, democrats running Russia would me?
Der Führer Vladmir keep Russia stronk backbone of cripple world.

Believe it or not, Russians actually elect him and he enjoys an approval rating western leaders only can dream of. That's because everyone in Russia remembers the horrors of the '90s. When the "great" democracy finally came to the "terrible" Soviet Union. When crime boomed, economy collapsed, and the country was made a fool of by those greatly democratic capitalist leaders such as Yeltsin. Those who opened a window to the west. A window, that we would so wish to close, but unfortunately can't.

Norwegian, Putin is the strongest leader for Russia because he keeps having all the others killed

You really miss having Stalin and KGB around, don't you?

Just because they were pricks that doesn't make Putin good

Unlike Stalin though, Putin hasn't killed anyone in his opposition.

[Toffee]

Honestly not worth arguing with somebody so brainwashed

[XIIIth_Baltimore]

Give rule of Russia in hands of Zhirinovsky and you see ALL FUCKING RUSSIAN MILITARY POWER. And you will finally understand that Putin is a peace-loving man