The General Political Thread

[Edwin]

Is FSE ✔ the trans ban or ❌?

[Von Bergen]

Is FSE ✔ the trans ban or ❌?

As someone who experienced people of different Sexual identity in the German army and served side by side with them without any problems, ❌ from me.

[MrTiki]

Some Murican, what was the previous vote that McCain supported?
I thought the video like a week ago of him walking in voting in favour of some bill or other was the whole repeal Obamacare thing, but now I hear he's voted against that bill. Were they two different bills?

[Toffee]

Who knows what goes on in the US

[Karth]

Some Murican, what was the previous vote that McCain supported?
I thought the video like a week ago of him walking in voting in favour of some bill or other was the whole repeal Obamacare thing, but now I hear he's voted against that bill. Were they two different bills?

Not sure but the latest vote was a skinny vote, to repeal only certain provisions in obamacare.  That vote failed, with 3 republicans voting against. It's a mess right now

Is FSE ✔ the trans ban or ❌?

As someone who experienced people of different Sexual identity in the German army and served side by side with them without any problems, ❌ from me.

American military is different.

[StevenChilton]

Trans people are mentally ill and clearly unfit to serve in the military. Suicide attempt rates in the trans community is around 40% verses 3% in the population as a whole. I'm sure medical professionals on this thread will back me up given the World Health Organisation lists transsexualism as a gender identity disorder in its current edition of International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems (ICD-10): http://apps.who.int/classifications/icd10/browse/2016/en#/F60-F69

These people need medical help rather than being encouraged to stay ill. That is all.

[Von Bergen]

Some Murican, what was the previous vote that McCain supported?
I thought the video like a week ago of him walking in voting in favour of some bill or other was the whole repeal Obamacare thing, but now I hear he's voted against that bill. Were they two different bills?

Not sure but the latest vote was a skinny vote, to repeal only certain provisions in obamacare.  That vote failed, with 3 republicans voting against. It's a mess right now

Is FSE ✔ the trans ban or ❌?

As someone who experienced people of different Sexual identity in the German army and served side by side with them without any problems, ❌ from me.

American military is different.

I have served with American, british, dutch, belgian, french,lithuanian, polish and even viatnamese soldiers (if you Wonder why: i was in a unit that trained Future Officers Up from the Rank of an Lieutenant) and let me Tell you: The people in the Military are all the Same Kind, No matter where they are from. And i can also Tell you that Most soldiers dont give a shit about how someone Looks Like, where he is from, what is is Sexual identy or anything Else that you can divide people with. As Long as the person does a good Job, No One cares.

[Toffee]

Maybe their suicide rates are so high because people keep calling them mentally ill

[Karth]

VomBergen I'm a reservist in the Air Force here I know, but in my ROTC class let's just say it was definitely different then what you may think.. in the sense if someone was gay or trans they would definitely struggle more or have a sense of 'don't ask don't tell'.  Again not in all instances, when it comes down to combat it doesn't matter what you look like or who you are

Maybe their suicide rates are so high because people keep calling them mentally ill

Makes sense, they get bullied more leading to higher depression rates leading to higher suicides

[Von Bergen]

VomBergen I'm a reservist in the Air Force here I know, but in my ROTC class let's just say it was definitely different then what you may think.. in the sense if someone was gay or trans they would definitely struggle more or have a sense of 'don't ask don't tell'.  Again not in all instances, when it comes down to combat it doesn't matter what you look like or who you are

Maybe their suicide rates are so high because people keep calling them mentally ill

Makes sense, they get bullied more leading to higher depression rates leading to higher suicides

Of course i never experienced high instances of US Military, so i will believe you on that.

[Toffee]

And btw Steven, I googled ICD-10 and it was started in the 80s and finished in 1992. It's probably not that good a source to use since modern attitudes have changed many people's opinions on transgender individuals. I'm sure, if WHO had a website in the 40s, being gay would have been listed as a mental illness. Doesn't mean that it is imo.

Edit: I may be wrong with the dates btw. That's just what a quick google search threw up

[Karth]

Well with all this gene editing technology maybe it's just a mutation in the genome causing someone to be transgender. Who knows

[StevenChilton]

And btw Steven, I googled ICD-10 and it was started in the 80s and finished in 1992. It's probably not that good a source to use since modern attitudes have changed many people's opinions on transgender individuals. I'm sure, if WHO had a website in the 40s, being gay would have been listed as a mental illness. Doesn't mean that it is imo.

Edit: I may be wrong with the dates btw. That's just what a quick google search threw up

Last update was 2016.

Maybe their suicide rates are so high because people keep calling them mentally ill

Makes sense, they get bullied more leading to higher depression rates leading to higher suicides
[/quote]

Not to 40% though-these people have mental problems let's just accept that and move on. They're probably not much use in combat and would introduce a significant weakness into their unit.

[Toffee]

I mean they should be able to live however they want to live. As I said, being gay was previously viewed as a mental disorder, that doesn't mean that he is.

Also the combat effectiveness thing isn't true. Von Bergen stated that he's trained with transgender people and has seen no difference between them and other people who identify with their birth gender.

[Karth]

A decorated navy seal who has been in more tours than you could count is transgender... so I wouldn't say that