United States Legalization of Same-Sex Marriage

[StevenChilton]

gaysexuals are wrong. Go read the Bible you dumb f*cks who support this.

[MaxLam]

Even in Greece there was no "gay" marriage, although many Greeks had same-sex relations and that was perfectly normal. Gay marriage is a joke, but if it's important for a majority, let them have their marriage.

gaysexuals are wrong. Go read the Bible you dumb f*cks who support this.

Why would we read this stack of shit?

[MrTiki]

You are all about to witness and are witnessing the deconstruction of the Nuclear Family. The greatest and most stable means of raising a decent and hard working human being I bid you all goodluck in the future.

 Eines Tages der Flut wird kommen. 

How on earth were nuclear families stable? Divorce rates in the US sky-rocketed between the 60s and the 80s, and have remained much higher than most of the rest of history (albeit that's not that long in the US) since. That being said, it has been dropping in recent years, which is nice.
Secondly, homosexual families raise kids just as well as heterosexual families (there are studies to back that up which I might go to the effort of finding in a bit). What you should be aiming to reduce is the rate of single mothers, which actually does have an impact on the development of children.

Also allowing homosexuals to marry has literally 0 impact on the rest of society. Simply because more people are able to have the same rights as you doesn't diminish your rights in any way.

Getting to a much bigger issue here, this is by no means a final endpoint of equality in the US. Homosexuals are still hugely discriminated against in the US, both on an individual level and on a societal level (generally to do with other peoples' religions for some reason). Attitudes in society still need to change (as poignantly illustrated by certain individuals in this thread) quite radically in many parts of the US. There's also other issues of equality to address, such as the wage gap, inherent bias/racism in the legal system, and also the legal system as a whole. Still, it's a start.

[Archduke Sven]

Well. I made a point. And Marceaux had a pissie fit. He was just angry because I was speaking the truth

I am angry because you have the mindset of a fucking moron. People like you are why we make no real progress. You are likely racist to right? Because its not natural for different colors to mix am i right? You speak the truth that you are ignorant and your mind has been twisted to support inhumane ideas. You wish to take others happiness away, for no real reason other then you feel it is wrong? It doesn't hurt you nor does it hurt society and our earth. And for the argument that the purpose of a relationship is to have children is just fucking retarded and completely idiotic in a modern world.

Well I'm not a racist. And actually gay marriage hurts society and the earth. Lots of people don't want to see two people of the same sex making out. Relationship has always been to make children. It was God's purpose. (Imma get hate now for being religious)

And a lot of people don't want to see your bible minded opinion. Does that mean we should remove your means of creating that opinion because we think its wrong?

How would you like a world were on the shop sign it would say 'No religions allowed', and people actively discriminate against you? Of course you've never thought like that, because you're a priviledged white male living in a first world country. Maybe its time to put on somebody elses shoes in the morning and get a fresh perspective?

Also, i wrote a perfectly normal piece of information here explaining why your view of gay marriage being naturally wrong is infact a bogus opinion, yet you seem to have not bothered replying...

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Also i just want to take a quick second to remind you how fucking dumb you are when you say 'its against the point of life'. Homosexuality is a phenomenon that comes along with society overbreeding and producing too many offspring, this can also be seen in animals who do not breed and in rare cases are sexually active with the same gender, heres a list of them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior

This happens because if an animal is not breeding it can contribute to societies in other ways, such as taking care of offspring since they do not have their own, or by contributing with food, shelter etc. Homosexuality is a natural occurance and is actually helpful for human life and animal life. So in other words, your idea of what is natural or not is based off a retard collection of stories called the bible.

I mean yeah two guys banging eachother is pretty gross, but by all means its a natural occurance, even though it may have become more normal during our last few decades. This can be explain by the fact it has been suppressed by religion and society for hundreds of years.

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[TheRedRedcoat]

The bible also prohibits consumption of pork and wearing linen and wool at the same time...

[MaxLam]

Getting married isn't a right for heterosexuals, it's a right for all citizens. Gay people have the right to get married with women. If they don't want to, that's their right. But it's not a matter of inequality of rights. Not so long ago people didn't choose who they would marry. It's only a recent evolution that marriage is conceived as the right to get married with someone you love. In the past marriage wasn't a right, it was a duty, and many gay men married women.

[Audiate]

lol audiate, do you really think you can keep people from arguing here?

I... I know...

Still, it's a start.

Exactly. As was the civil rights movement, this is more so a step towards effecting social norms (of course, homosexuals never had to drink from separate water fountains and go to separate schools, and blacks have always been more generally oppressed than homosexuals, but both are progressive moments nonetheless).

The bible also prohibits consumption of pork and wearing linen and wool at the same time...

Don't forget about shrimp abominations, touching dirty animals, or burning yeast or honey in an offering to God while not including salt!

[Nipplestockings]

The bible never actually says that it wrong for a man or woman to fuck another man or person

Well yes, it does in multiple parts. Doesn't matter much though.

[Hadhod]

Getting married isn't a right for heterosexuals, it's a right for all citizens. Gay people have the right to get married with women. If they don't want to, that's their right. But it's not a matter of inequality of rights. Not so long ago people didn't choose who they would marry. It's only a recent evolution that marriage is conceived as the right to get married with someone you love. In the past marriage wasn't a right, it was a duty, and many gay men married women.

What exactly are you trying to get at here? 

[MrTiki]

It's also amazing how people are completely unable to name a single way in which homosexuals marrying (as opposed to getting a civil partnership, which has happened for a while now) actually impacts them in any meaningful way. These people are simply gaining more rights (which is broadly speaking a good thing, particularly in the US as I understand it). You have not lost any rights. Just as many gay people will have sex. Just as many gay people will kiss in public. It literally changes NOTHING to the average citizen. They just have extra rights legally.

For example, the case which actually caused the Supreme Court to get involved was because, in the old system, two gay people who were in a civil partnership were unable to be classified as widowers when their partner passed away. Those people were already living together. This doesn't change that at all. The only difference is that people are now able to inherit etc the same as everyone else. You could still have been terrorised by two homosexuals making out on the street before, and you still can now (poor you and your sensitive eyes).

[Nipplestockings]

I think he's saying that homosexuality is completely unrelated to marriage as a natural phenomenon and that gay men have been marrying women and vice versa for thousands of years in order to conform with society. Simply banning gays from marrying does not mean homosexuality does not exist. Homosexuality has existed at a relatively stable rate among humans for the entire time our species has been in its current evolutionary state on earth. It also exists at a relatively stable rate among animals. Marriage is an entirely social construct. There is nothing natural about marriage - it's literally two people deciding to only have children with each other for the rest of their lives, or at least until they get bored of each other. Saying that marriage can only exist between a man and a woman is absolutely ridiculous. The concept of marriage could completely disappear tomorrow and humanity would be none the wiser. It means absolutely nothing biologically and does nothing to influence our gene pool. Marriage purists are retarded and so are bible fundamentalists.

[Tharan]

How can someone want one group of people to have as many rights as possible but does not want another group to have them same rights.

[Audiate]

Because privileges are entitling if they're not equally distributed.

[Nipplestockings]

http://www.theonion.com/article/report-only-47000-social-justice-milestones-go-us--50767

[MaxLam]

People don't understand that equality of rights isn't de facto equality. Examples:

A. Equality of rights: Men can marry women, they can't marry other men.
De facto inequality: Heterosexual men can marry whomever they love, gay men can't.

B. Equality of rights: Everyone can travel.
De facto inequality: Poor people don't have the means to travel.

C. Equality of rights: Everyone can run in the Presidential election.
De facto inequality: Everyone isn't called Bush.

D. Equality of rights: Gospel is forbidden.
De facto inequality: Gospel lovers gospel can't listen to their favorite music.
 
F. Inequality of rights: Black men are not allowed to enter buses.

Conclusion: It's up to you to decide what kind of society you want. If you prefer a society in which same-sex marriage is the standard, then it's perfectly fine as long as you can reasonably support your opinion. But saying that gay people shouldn't get married because the Bible said that this is bad is certainly not an admissible opinion.

Now people usually dismiss the  relation between marriage and civilization.

Civilization: Eating with cultery (Europe), chopsticks (Asia) or bread (Middle East).
Barbarism: Eating with your fingers, e.g. fast food.

Now regarding sexuality:

Civilization: Rules regarding sexuality.
Barbarism: Free sex.

We are now entering a new era in which homosexuality is seen as the exact equivalent of heterosexuality. Does that mean that there is no rules anymore and that everyone will be equal? No. Examples:

A. Polygamy, polyandry and other multiple-adults families (e.g. trouples, jedi marriages) are not allowed.
B. Pedophilia isn't allowed.
C. Zoophilia isn't very well tolerated either and people can't get married to animals.

In all of those cases, we have de facto inequality. So if you believe that gay people should have the right to get married because de facto inequality is bad, then you will have to allow marriage for at least A and C. Of course you wouldn't allow marriage for B, because you consider that B is harmful to society, which is right. But de facto inequality will remain. In A and B, there is no reason to forbid marriage, but people are still not ready for that. It's very well possible that in a few years we will allow marriage for A and B, who knows?

In conclusion, the only good reason to support gay marriage is that many gay people want it (although not all of them), and an important part of society is indifferent or supportive. But there is nothing rational there, it's just a cultural evolution. So in terms of overall happiness it's better to allow gay marriage, unless we can prove that gay marriage is harmful to society and that the damages that it could provoke would be more important than the happiness that it would provide. Good luck to find the answer to this.