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[RedFeu]

Bagins should be in 2022 over Fietta

it's based on statistics

This is obviously incorrect, or it would be exactly the same as the percentage of points section

We can argue about the skill lvl Fietta ended up with, but he was a spec npc for 80% of the year, through all of Envy and the first half of RT, up until September/October. That’s not controversial, he wasn’t good enough to play before that point and didn’t. So he played in matches for like 3 months of the year, while Bagins put the England 2022 team together when it was a mess, went onto Renegades and finished the year with Regrouped and was generally regarded as a top 3 player until he quit Renegades in October. I think you were asking the wrong ppl if they put someone that barely played that year in their top 10.

Bagins being in 2022 is not just about skill, it’s about him having more impact on the year than anyone else by making Renegades out of nothing. 2022 would’ve been a complete wash if he didn’t make it, and if he didn’t put the effort in to create a team as good as RT out of players very few ppl thought could do that. Renegades fell off after roster changes and less motivation from Bagins, but for the first few months he made a team that was outcompeting a giga stack.

I humbly disagree, Bagins is overrated af. I clapped him (alongside most of top players) everytime even in his favourite position. He was only good (trash) when Poosy carried his little ass.

im out, ONTO BANNERLORD!

I gotta remember you that for 2 years you were a no name and you popped off when nobody was really active. In addition without zeyden optimisation and wse2 with your 110fov and the yellow musket you'd still be out of top 50. Also you need to thank chuckster for having played in a supportive role while he could have become a beast in carry positions but since you couldnt handle the game without help of a baiter and without a modified game that gave you an insane advantage over other people, you should shut the fuck up and stay quiet. Go back sucking dicks like you did in 2020 to tryna access top teams that were even better than cazadores cuz even with the german top players you couldnt play correctly. Dude played 12 hours a day to be top player when the second best way in europe was Kore huh but goat obviously

Hahah cute little boy. let's not pretend I smashed you everytime we played. You were always crying even in amaterasu that you didn't get to play. I have respect for the frenchies but you are not french and you abandoned your own national team to get into a better team, pathetic.

first of all you didnt smash me everytime and you had to play like a pussy and wait for your mate to bait me since you cant do shit alone. Secondly i never cried in amaterasu at all since i knew i wasnt performing well but keep inventing your own things it's fine. Then ask herishey as i sent him the proof i have french citizenship. So now go cry on gf serv with your 110 fov to be sure to not be side stabbed mister "i'm the goat of noob killing"

[Janne]

this thread in 2023

[Fietta]

Well as I said, in the end it could also be that someone else of the Dreamteams wasnt a main player but we just dont know it so I cant really rob Fietta there as that would be unfair

No matter how big or small the impact was, in the end he was part of their success and still got voted 11-20 in 2022, just as Narrow whos also in that team

As late as October nobody in his team or outside of it thought he was 1-15 - it just seems unfair for someone to be on the “dream team” after speccing for 10 months and “supporting” Achilles on a flank for 2 over someone like Bagins who everyone saw as a top 3 player for half the year. Narrow was at least playing main lineup the whole time for RT.

I never specced for 10 months, that's an absolute joke lmao. Again that list thing was stupidly weighted and held no substance. I played in almost every 6v6 or 7v7, the same as Narrow then even more so after. People just underrated on the basis of being a support player and lists such as that heavily weighted individual skill, that isn't something that wasn't unknown. I also played with many others in RT, it's just Achilles and I were a great flank and it stook.

It's obviously fair on this basis, but you talking about someone being leadership of a team (namely NWWC) and then falling short in the rest of the year is worthy. Individual mechanics is not the correct way of weighting people. Again, it's baseless on the condition you've been playing with Bagins the last two years. I was placed in the dream team due to my input as a support player and contributing greatly to the team, I'm a smart player, not a flashy one. Otherwise you'd be having the same discussion about Chuckster in Envy being a partner with Achilles and then completely dropping off after, but you just like to target, which is funny actually, even you, yourself complained about both Bagins and especially Chuckster.

[Gibby Jr]

Well as I said, in the end it could also be that someone else of the Dreamteams wasnt a main player but we just dont know it so I cant really rob Fietta there as that would be unfair

No matter how big or small the impact was, in the end he was part of their success and still got voted 11-20 in 2022, just as Narrow whos also in that team

As late as October nobody in his team or outside of it thought he was 1-15 - it just seems unfair for someone to be on the “dream team” after speccing for 10 months and “supporting” Achilles on a flank for 2 over someone like Bagins who everyone saw as a top 3 player for half the year. Narrow was at least playing main lineup the whole time for RT.

I never specced for 10 months, that's an absolute joke lmao. Again that list thing was stupidly weighted and held no substance. I played in almost every 6v6 or 7v7, the same as Narrow then even more so after. People just underrated on the basis of being a support player and lists such as that heavily weighted individual skill, that isn't something that wasn't unknown. I also played with many others in RT, it's just Achilles and I were a great flank and it stook.

It's obviously fair on this basis, but you talking about someone being leadership of a team (namely NWWC) and then falling short in the rest of the year is worthy. Individual mechanics is not the correct way of weighting people. Again, it's baseless on the condition you've been playing with Bagins the last two years. I was placed in the dream team due to my input as a support player and contributing greatly to the team, I'm a smart player, not a flashy one. Otherwise you'd be having the same discussion about Chuckster in Envy being a partner with Achilles and then completely dropping off after, but you just like to target, which is funny actually, even you, yourself complained about both Bagins and especially Chuckster.

Actually this thread makes it pretty clear which one of us is being revisionist and which one is remembering things accurately: https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?topic=48541.0

You were not regarded as a top 15 player at the time, and if you want to talk about impact outside of “individual mechanics” Bagins had the biggest of anyone that year by making and mentoring Renegades and with his leading

[Fietta]

Well as I said, in the end it could also be that someone else of the Dreamteams wasnt a main player but we just dont know it so I cant really rob Fietta there as that would be unfair

No matter how big or small the impact was, in the end he was part of their success and still got voted 11-20 in 2022, just as Narrow whos also in that team

As late as October nobody in his team or outside of it thought he was 1-15 - it just seems unfair for someone to be on the “dream team” after speccing for 10 months and “supporting” Achilles on a flank for 2 over someone like Bagins who everyone saw as a top 3 player for half the year. Narrow was at least playing main lineup the whole time for RT.

I never specced for 10 months, that's an absolute joke lmao. Again that list thing was stupidly weighted and held no substance. I played in almost every 6v6 or 7v7, the same as Narrow then even more so after. People just underrated on the basis of being a support player and lists such as that heavily weighted individual skill, that isn't something that wasn't unknown. I also played with many others in RT, it's just Achilles and I were a great flank and it stook.

It's obviously fair on this basis, but you talking about someone being leadership of a team (namely NWWC) and then falling short in the rest of the year is worthy. Individual mechanics is not the correct way of weighting people. Again, it's baseless on the condition you've been playing with Bagins the last two years. I was placed in the dream team due to my input as a support player and contributing greatly to the team, I'm a smart player, not a flashy one. Otherwise you'd be having the same discussion about Chuckster in Envy being a partner with Achilles and then completely dropping off after, but you just like to target, which is funny actually, even you, yourself complained about both Bagins and especially Chuckster.

Actually this thread makes it pretty clear which one of us is being revisionist and which one is remembering things accurately: https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?topic=48541.0

You were not regarded as a top 15 player at the time, and if you want to talk about impact outside of “individual mechanics” Bagins had the biggest of anyone that year by making and mentoring Renegades and with his leading

This was top 15 on the basis of individual skill, they always have been - it also didn't really have that many reliable contributers, and the ones who contributed were mainly L2 or your pals bud. It wasn't made on the basis of it being an accurate list, mainly just people copy-pastering the same 15 names someone else put but moving them around. A great example is putting fucking blacktham in there xddddddddd Not much thought went into that list and was created on a whim by Achilles, originally as a fukin meme, many posts got removed

[Gibby Jr]

Well as I said, in the end it could also be that someone else of the Dreamteams wasnt a main player but we just dont know it so I cant really rob Fietta there as that would be unfair

No matter how big or small the impact was, in the end he was part of their success and still got voted 11-20 in 2022, just as Narrow whos also in that team

As late as October nobody in his team or outside of it thought he was 1-15 - it just seems unfair for someone to be on the “dream team” after speccing for 10 months and “supporting” Achilles on a flank for 2 over someone like Bagins who everyone saw as a top 3 player for half the year. Narrow was at least playing main lineup the whole time for RT.

I never specced for 10 months, that's an absolute joke lmao. Again that list thing was stupidly weighted and held no substance. I played in almost every 6v6 or 7v7, the same as Narrow then even more so after. People just underrated on the basis of being a support player and lists such as that heavily weighted individual skill, that isn't something that wasn't unknown. I also played with many others in RT, it's just Achilles and I were a great flank and it stook.

It's obviously fair on this basis, but you talking about someone being leadership of a team (namely NWWC) and then falling short in the rest of the year is worthy. Individual mechanics is not the correct way of weighting people. Again, it's baseless on the condition you've been playing with Bagins the last two years. I was placed in the dream team due to my input as a support player and contributing greatly to the team, I'm a smart player, not a flashy one. Otherwise you'd be having the same discussion about Chuckster in Envy being a partner with Achilles and then completely dropping off after, but you just like to target, which is funny actually, even you, yourself complained about both Bagins and especially Chuckster.

Actually this thread makes it pretty clear which one of us is being revisionist and which one is remembering things accurately: https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?topic=48541.0

You were not regarded as a top 15 player at the time, and if you want to talk about impact outside of “individual mechanics” Bagins had the biggest of anyone that year by making and mentoring Renegades and with his leading

This was top 15 on the basis of individual skill, they always have been - it also didn't really have that many reliable contributers, and the ones who contributed were mainly L2 or your pals bud. It wasn't made on the basis of it being an accurate list, mainly just people copy-pastering the same 15 names someone else put but moving them around. A great example is putting fucking blacktham in there xddddddddd Not much thought went into that list and was created on a whim by Achilles, originally as a fukin meme, many posts got removed

Blacktham was fresh off a very strong finals performance against RT, which Renegades won, a couple of weeks before this list. You’re “remembering” things how you want them to be, I’m talking about what actually happened

[Fietta]

Blacktham was fresh off a very strong finals performance against RT, which Renegades won, a couple of weeks before this list. You’re “remembering” things how you want them to be, I’m talking about what actually happened

You literally went out your way for 10 months rinsing RT yet consistently losing to them, you've also been rinsing my placement in lists for the last 7 years, you're just coping and pretending you're spitting facts on the basis of you playing with these players - stop joking around, you're only complaining about the people you want to complain about but wouldn't touch any of your comrades, anyways I'm sure Wursti will understand exactly what's happening and bun you off.

You also admitted one strong final performance 2 weeks before this list yet that was a 2022 list as a whole, just goes to show the delusion. Besides, if I wasn't apparently top 15 by October (in your eyes), I was definitely top 20 and moved to top 10-15 by the end of the year, so what's your point? The more you type, the more delusional you look. By the end Bagins literally stepped down from Renegades because of his piss-poor actions and performance from the team, something you always want to forget. Whilst RT were dancing around, playing games, Renegades were just complaining about each other like babies, it was super toxic, was an episode of gossip girl and was memed on.

[Vegi.]

The battle of the big bitches!

[HiReaper]

[Zeyden 狼]

I haven't read but if anyone has any problems I'll be waiting on Bannerlord for an FT7

[Fietta]

I haven't read but if anyone has any problems I'll be waiting on Bannerlord for an FT7

see u on ludus

[Gibby Jr]

Blacktham was fresh off a very strong finals performance against RT, which Renegades won, a couple of weeks before this list. You’re “remembering” things how you want them to be, I’m talking about what actually happened

You literally went out your way for 10 months rinsing RT yet consistently losing to them, you've also been rinsing my placement in lists for the last 7 years, you're just coping and pretending you're spitting facts on the basis of you playing with these players - stop joking around, you're only complaining about the people you want to complain about but wouldn't touch any of your comrades, anyways I'm sure Wursti will understand exactly what's happening and bun you off.

You also admitted one strong final performance 2 weeks before this list yet that was a 2022 list as a whole, just goes to show the delusion. Besides, if I wasn't apparently top 15 by October (in your eyes), I was definitely top 20 and moved to top 10-15 by the end of the year, so what's your point? The more you type, the more delusional you look. By the end Bagins literally stepped down from Renegades because of his piss-poor actions and performance from the team, something you always want to forget. Whilst RT were dancing around, playing games, Renegades were just complaining about each other like babies, it was super toxic, was an episode of gossip girl and was memed on.

Why did nobody in your team think you were top 15 if you deserve to be in the top 10 dream team?

[Fietta]

Blacktham was fresh off a very strong finals performance against RT, which Renegades won, a couple of weeks before this list. You’re “remembering” things how you want them to be, I’m talking about what actually happened

You literally went out your way for 10 months rinsing RT yet consistently losing to them, you've also been rinsing my placement in lists for the last 7 years, you're just coping and pretending you're spitting facts on the basis of you playing with these players - stop joking around, you're only complaining about the people you want to complain about but wouldn't touch any of your comrades, anyways I'm sure Wursti will understand exactly what's happening and bun you off.

You also admitted one strong final performance 2 weeks before this list yet that was a 2022 list as a whole, just goes to show the delusion. Besides, if I wasn't apparently top 15 by October (in your eyes), I was definitely top 20 and moved to top 10-15 by the end of the year, so what's your point? The more you type, the more delusional you look. By the end Bagins literally stepped down from Renegades because of his piss-poor actions and performance from the team, something you always want to forget. Whilst RT were dancing around, playing games, Renegades were just complaining about each other like babies, it was super toxic, was an episode of gossip girl and was memed on.

Why did nobody in your team think you were top 15 if you deserve to be in the top 10 dream team?

They did, not everyone contributed, plus there was still some sauce left over from Envy, which is why friends of friends were rated higher. Top 10 dream team wasn't based on only skill, it's consistency across the year with palmares, something that literally little to no one else has. Again, this is all your eyes, my contribution to the team in accordance with my palmares means that I'm a valuable asset, dream team isn't about how flashy you are. The same reason why a broken RT trashed your stack in our final tournament with me at the helm dealing damage, that shit was like child's play, didn't even need to practice or do trainings lmao

[Gibby Jr]

Blacktham was fresh off a very strong finals performance against RT, which Renegades won, a couple of weeks before this list. You’re “remembering” things how you want them to be, I’m talking about what actually happened

You literally went out your way for 10 months rinsing RT yet consistently losing to them, you've also been rinsing my placement in lists for the last 7 years, you're just coping and pretending you're spitting facts on the basis of you playing with these players - stop joking around, you're only complaining about the people you want to complain about but wouldn't touch any of your comrades, anyways I'm sure Wursti will understand exactly what's happening and bun you off.

You also admitted one strong final performance 2 weeks before this list yet that was a 2022 list as a whole, just goes to show the delusion. Besides, if I wasn't apparently top 15 by October (in your eyes), I was definitely top 20 and moved to top 10-15 by the end of the year, so what's your point? The more you type, the more delusional you look. By the end Bagins literally stepped down from Renegades because of his piss-poor actions and performance from the team, something you always want to forget. Whilst RT were dancing around, playing games, Renegades were just complaining about each other like babies, it was super toxic, was an episode of gossip girl and was memed on.

Why did nobody in your team think you were top 15 if you deserve to be in the top 10 dream team?

They did, not everyone contributed, plus there was still some sauce left over from Envy, which is why friends of friends were rated higher. Top 10 dream team wasn't based on only skill, it's consistency across the year with palmares, something that literally little to no one else has. Again, this is all your eyes, my contribution to the team in accordance with my palmares means that I'm a valuable asset, dream team isn't about how flashy you are. The same reason why a broken RT trashed your stack in our final tournament with me at the helm dealing damage, that shit was like child's play, didn't even need to practice or do trainings lmao

I don’t know if you’re just lying or what, half of your team contributed to the thread and none of them put you top 15. This is insane giga cope and you keep taking jabs at me as though it has anything to do with this situation 😂. You have “consistency across the year” cuz you benched in envy and rt, it’s not impressive and it doesn’t make you a “valuable asset”. The cope levels are off the chart and you’re actually attempting some weird revisionist history outplay when nobody at the time put you close to top 10

[Fietta]

Blacktham was fresh off a very strong finals performance against RT, which Renegades won, a couple of weeks before this list. You’re “remembering” things how you want them to be, I’m talking about what actually happened

You literally went out your way for 10 months rinsing RT yet consistently losing to them, you've also been rinsing my placement in lists for the last 7 years, you're just coping and pretending you're spitting facts on the basis of you playing with these players - stop joking around, you're only complaining about the people you want to complain about but wouldn't touch any of your comrades, anyways I'm sure Wursti will understand exactly what's happening and bun you off.

You also admitted one strong final performance 2 weeks before this list yet that was a 2022 list as a whole, just goes to show the delusion. Besides, if I wasn't apparently top 15 by October (in your eyes), I was definitely top 20 and moved to top 10-15 by the end of the year, so what's your point? The more you type, the more delusional you look. By the end Bagins literally stepped down from Renegades because of his piss-poor actions and performance from the team, something you always want to forget. Whilst RT were dancing around, playing games, Renegades were just complaining about each other like babies, it was super toxic, was an episode of gossip girl and was memed on.

Why did nobody in your team think you were top 15 if you deserve to be in the top 10 dream team?

They did, not everyone contributed, plus there was still some sauce left over from Envy, which is why friends of friends were rated higher. Top 10 dream team wasn't based on only skill, it's consistency across the year with palmares, something that literally little to no one else has. Again, this is all your eyes, my contribution to the team in accordance with my palmares means that I'm a valuable asset, dream team isn't about how flashy you are. The same reason why a broken RT trashed your stack in our final tournament with me at the helm dealing damage, that shit was like child's play, didn't even need to practice or do trainings lmao

I don’t know if you’re just lying or what, half of your team contributed to the thread and none of them put you top 15. This is insane giga cope and you keep taking jabs at me as though it has anything to do with this situation 😂. You have “consistency across the year” cuz you benched in envy and rt, it’s not impressive and it doesn’t make you a “valuable asset”. The cope levels are off the chart and you’re actually attempting some weird revisionist history outplay when nobody at the time put you close to top 10

You're literally saying i'm coping but using the benching tactic which is just pure cope, unbelievable. Envy, yes, RT absolutely not.