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Re: Who is the most overrated general/leader in history?
« Reply #30 on: January 24, 2018, 09:50:35 pm »
I'd say Ghenghis Khan was pretty overrated just because he spammed the most OP unit at the time that countered or defeated any army they met.
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Re: Who is the most overrated general/leader in history?
« Reply #31 on: January 25, 2018, 10:58:18 am »
guys lets not focus on American generals too much and keep things related to Europe

I'd say William I, Prince of Orange.

Incorrect title. It's either 'The Prince of Orange' or 'William I, Soevereign Ruler/King of the United Netherlands/King of the Netherlands'.

You're wrong he was both King William I, and Prince of Orange. If we were alive in 1815 then you'd be right but from a strictly historical point of view you can call him both. It's like saying General, President De Gaulle

But you don't refer to him as William I, Prince of Orange. He was William VI in that regard, not I. And he never held the titles of King and Prince at the same time. William I, Prince of Orange is this guy

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Re: Who is the most overrated general/leader in history?
« Reply #32 on: January 25, 2018, 03:04:12 pm »
That moment people try to win a pissing contest from Duuring  ::)
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Re: Who is the most overrated general/leader in history?
« Reply #33 on: January 25, 2018, 03:43:18 pm »
My expertise and zeal regarding trival Dutch matters, combined with my lack of things to do, make defeating me nearly impossible.

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Re: Who is the most overrated general/leader in history?
« Reply #34 on: January 25, 2018, 05:07:56 pm »
haha we will agree to disagree on historical fact pal, lets try to keep this thread on topic.

I would also put Michiel de Ruyter in this category as being massively overrated.

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Re: Who is the most overrated general/leader in history?
« Reply #35 on: January 25, 2018, 08:47:17 pm »
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Re: Who is the most overrated general/leader in history?
« Reply #36 on: January 27, 2018, 01:29:14 am »
I'd say Ghenghis Khan was pretty overrated just because he spammed the most OP unit at the time that countered or defeated any army they met.

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Re: Who is the most overrated general/leader in history?
« Reply #37 on: January 27, 2018, 01:42:07 am »
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Re: Who is the most overrated general/leader in history?
« Reply #38 on: January 28, 2018, 06:00:59 am »
Alexander the Great, no doubt.
What makes you say Alexander the Great? He never lost, conquered the Persian empire in an astounding amount of time and his victory at Gaugamela was a strategic masterpiece.

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Re: Who is the most overrated general/leader in history?
« Reply #39 on: January 28, 2018, 02:47:26 pm »
Stanisław August Poniatowski, most likely the worst king you can imagine
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Re: Who is the most overrated general/leader in history?
« Reply #40 on: January 29, 2018, 11:20:20 pm »
Stanisław August Poniatowski, most likely the worst king you can imagine

Bullshit. Poniatowski was the wisest of Polish King's.
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Re: Who is the most overrated general/leader in history?
« Reply #41 on: January 29, 2018, 11:59:45 pm »
You don’t have to say most when you’re already using a superlative I.e wisest

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Re: Who is the most overrated general/leader in history?
« Reply #42 on: January 30, 2018, 12:40:25 pm »
Stanisław August Poniatowski, most likely the worst king you can imagine

Bullshit. Poniatowski was the wisest of Polish King's.
"Wisest" King that betrayed his own nation?
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Re: Who is the most overrated general/leader in history?
« Reply #43 on: January 30, 2018, 01:30:04 pm »
He has never betrayed his nation. Cooperation with Russia was necessary in that time to save Commonwealth from Prussian territorial ambitions.

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Re: Who is the most overrated general/leader in history?
« Reply #44 on: January 30, 2018, 01:33:09 pm »
What makes you say Alexander the Great? He never lost, conquered the Persian empire in an astounding amount of time and his victory at Gaugamela was a strategic masterpiece.
Alexander was an egoistic, greedy maniac with a comfortable situation. His father built the army and even made the actual plans, since he wanted to attack the persians as well before he was murdered - most historians say by order of Alexander himself. Besides inheriting the finest army in the world from his father, Alexander also ‘inherited’ Philip’s outstanding Chief-of-Staff, the 64-year-old Parmenion. In fact, Alexander seems to have behaved exactly as one would have expected a young cavalry commander to have behaved. For ever pursuing danger, heedless of risk, yet never in full command and control of the battle. Meanwhile, Parmenion, commanding the infantry phalanx was the true commander. It is also hardly creditable that Alexander ever gave a thought to the enormous logistical problems his army faced. Again, it is more that probable that Parmenion’s wealth of experience was the driving force in dealing with such mundane but vital matters.

Also, Alexander was a terrible ruler, who wasn‘t able to actually rule a country. There a numerous evidences e.g the low taxes, the permanent rebellions, the fact that he wanted to make his very own empire instead of a stable one and of course that the empire perished immediatly after his death.

All in all, he had his moments but there is nothing great about him.
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