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Title: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: -~Carson~- on March 20, 2014, 10:17:51 pm
Which One Would You Want To Fight In And Why?

Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: -~Carson~- on March 20, 2014, 10:19:54 pm
I would fight in the Napoleonic wars because I think it would be cool to fight with my regiment in this game!
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Price on March 20, 2014, 10:21:16 pm
Napoleonic Wars. I don't know but it has many regiments I have developed respect for and I suppose I know more about this conflict than the Civil War.

However, I do find the Civil War interesting with an ambiguous feel to it.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Duuring on March 21, 2014, 10:02:20 am
Napoleonic wars. More change you'll spend the war in some fort doing nothing.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: joer5835 on March 21, 2014, 03:16:02 pm
Napoleonic Wars. Period.

Because bicorns and shakos look a lot cooler than forage caps and kepis.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Gizmo on March 21, 2014, 07:06:39 pm
I don't give a single damn about the American Civil War, so Napoleonic Wars obviously.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Ililsa on March 21, 2014, 07:16:26 pm
Napoleonic wars. More change you'll spend the war in some fort doing nothing.

This is as good a reason as any.

If I have to choose which war to fight in I'll go for the one least likely to get me killed.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Paronomasia12 on March 21, 2014, 08:49:19 pm
I honestly thought you meant the English Civil War at first. The Napoleonic Wars - there is nothing like the sound of flint on frizzen
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: joer5835 on March 21, 2014, 09:00:36 pm
I honestly thought you meant the English Civil War at first. The Napoleonic Wars - there is nothing like the sound of flint on frizzen

Amen.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Walko on March 21, 2014, 09:01:11 pm
They would both be absolutely horrific and terrifying to fight in. Neither.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Bramif on March 21, 2014, 09:18:30 pm
They would both be absolutely horrific and terrifying to fight in. Neither.
Neither isn't a choice bro.... You choose which you would have fought in or you shouldn't be here.

Napoleonic Wars Btw  :)
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Walko on March 21, 2014, 09:24:42 pm
The question is which would you like to fight in, and I wouldn't like to fight in either  ::)
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Bramif on March 21, 2014, 09:33:11 pm
The question is which would you like to fight in, and I wouldn't like to fight in either  ::)
Then don't post  ::)
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Walko on March 22, 2014, 05:14:23 pm
Why not? Am I not allowed to voice my opinion that both wars were terrible for the common soldier?
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Erik le Rouge on March 22, 2014, 05:27:45 pm
Napoleonic Wars of course.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Duuring on March 22, 2014, 05:31:06 pm
Why not? Am I not allowed to voice my opinion that both wars were terrible for the common soldier?

Sure, but you can expect annoyed reactions  :P
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Bramif on March 22, 2014, 05:48:49 pm
Why not? Am I not allowed to voice my opinion that both wars were terrible for the common soldier?
Maybe in a thread about how terrible they were but not in here....
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: -~Carson~- on March 23, 2014, 03:37:34 am
They would both be absolutely horrific and terrifying to fight in. Neither.

I would've chose this maybe I should add a option  :D
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Bramif on March 23, 2014, 04:24:26 am
They would both be absolutely horrific and terrifying to fight in. Neither.

I would've chose this maybe I should add a option  :D
Well if you really had a choice why would anybody fight in a war???
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: -~Carson~- on March 23, 2014, 03:20:43 pm
They would both be absolutely horrific and terrifying to fight in. Neither.

I would've chose this maybe I should add a option  :D
Well if you really had a choice why would anybody fight in a war???

i see
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: -~Carson~- on March 24, 2014, 03:58:41 am
wow a lot of napoleonic wars!  :D
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Zzehth on March 24, 2014, 05:59:52 am
French intervention in Mexico OF COURSE!

5 DE MAYO
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Millander on March 24, 2014, 06:47:01 am
Neither because both sucked.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Turin Turambar on March 24, 2014, 07:00:58 am
I think there should be a thread about war itself (there are loads of I know) where the question can be discussed which reasons you have to fight in a war then and now and also from today's and the former perspective.

For example I believe I would have fought in the Napoleonic Wars if I had lived at that time because I'd have been convinced that I have to fight for my land/family/country.
From today's perspective a war like 200 years ago in Europe is not possible especially because the people would not see any reason for it.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Duuring on March 24, 2014, 11:54:08 pm
Well, if we go that way - I don't think many Americans can claim that they wouldn't fight in the ACW. Social pressure was enormous, and really, these men had no idea of how horrible war was. Plus, Americans tend to be 'patriotic'.

As for the Napoleonics - I dunno. Maybe I'd have 'fought' in the liberation war, but joining the army...meh. Might have gotten conscripted, though.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on March 25, 2014, 12:40:13 am
Civil War.

Because fuck the CSA.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Duuring on March 25, 2014, 01:01:35 am
See? Patriotism.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: -~Carson~- on March 25, 2014, 03:50:18 am
Civil War.

Because fuck the CSA.

For the Union!  :D
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Josef Lenin on March 25, 2014, 04:02:22 am
Napoleonic
#Borodino#GeneralWinter#PatrioticWar
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Millander on March 25, 2014, 04:08:13 am
Im pretty certain if I was living at the time I would have enlisted just like every other man did. Granted I totally would not go back in time to fight in the war if I had the choice.

Hopefully I wouldn't end up being one of those guys who bring the 1,000 man regiment do to 300 strength.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Walko on March 25, 2014, 04:11:32 am
Im pretty certain if I was living at the time I would have enlisted just like every other man did. Granted I totally would not go back in time to fight in the war if I had the choice.

Hopefully I wouldn't end up being one of those guys who bring the 1,000 man regiment do to 300 strength.

Basically this.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Millander on March 25, 2014, 04:11:59 am
On the note of patriotism what was the main motivation to volunteer in the Napoleonic Wars (granted most were conscripts). I can understand instances like Russia in 1812 and Prussia in 1813 but it feels like there was no clear motive to the Napoleonic Wars like the Civil War.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Mr T on March 25, 2014, 08:22:25 am
Most wars of the coalition were started by the Allies to curb France's power because of her dangerous Revolutionary ideals, ironically every war of coalition that happened, Napoleon grew stronger until the 6th coalition.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Duuring on March 25, 2014, 09:20:42 am
Money, Millander. These people were soldiers as profession. In a few instances it was patriotism, like France 1793 (though still technically conscripts), Netherlands 1813, Spain and Germany 1813, but when you exclude the liberation wars, it's really just money.

Patriotic volunteers often formed their own units (the famous 'Volunteer Jagers) that they'd disband after the war had ended. Sometimes they were simply thrown into a regular battalion and became regular soldiers against their wills. Such a case happened with a company of volunteers from the town of Goes, in Zeeland, was added to the 2nd Batallion of the Line in 1814. Nearly the entire company deserted after they realized they were supposed to do 6 years service.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Jorvasker on March 25, 2014, 08:19:08 pm
Napoleonic Wars, because honestly I don't care very little for the American Civil War anymore.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Aiello on March 26, 2014, 04:27:28 pm
You'd probably have a better chance of surviving in the Napoleonic Wars. It all depends on your regiment and/or what battle you were in but it would not be uncommon for regiments in the Civil War, more so for Southern forces, to be completely obliterated to <10% strength. Even though conscription was a heavily used system in the Napoleonic Wars in the CSA late-war conscription made regiments simultaneously younger and older as all the young men were killed or maimed; that kind of desperation for bodies to be put on the line did not happen in the Napoleonic Wars.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Ody on March 26, 2014, 05:09:43 pm
I'd rather fight in Napoleonic Wars and this is why; the Civil War weaponry was more sophisticated and accurate than during the NW era, therefore, while the Civil War weaponry can almost be compared to rifles, they were still forced to fire in lines which is the ultimate death sentence. Whereas NW although it's almost the same, the muskets weren't that accurate, so you may live just a little bit longer.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: AeroNinja on March 26, 2014, 05:11:00 pm
Nap wars ftw. Old Guard yes please.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Dom13WorstNW on March 26, 2014, 05:18:10 pm
Civil war all the way

Long live CSA
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on March 31, 2014, 08:51:36 pm
Civil war all the way

Long live CSA

Begs the question, we should probably add what job and unit we'd want to be a part of in these wars.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Duuring on March 31, 2014, 10:23:28 pm
I'd rather fight in Napoleonic Wars and this is why; the Civil War weaponry was more sophisticated and accurate than during the NW era, therefore, while the Civil War weaponry can almost be compared to rifles, they were still forced to fire in lines which is the ultimate death sentence. Whereas NW although it's almost the same, the muskets weren't that accurate, so you may live just a little bit longer.

Just remember that you only fought a very small percentage of your time. Diseases, bad hygiene and simply hunger killed many more.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on March 31, 2014, 10:25:27 pm
Which is why you're a skirmisher, so that way you can use cover more often that marching towards your death via column. Also scavenging.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Duuring on March 31, 2014, 10:29:01 pm
Skirmishers didn't scavenge (I prefer the term 'forage'  :P ) any more then other regiments. Skirmishers also didn't have the safest job ever.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on March 31, 2014, 10:32:39 pm
No, the safest job ever probably went to the posh bastards in the very rear of the line who claimed that they actually fought.

Give me Blucher, Picton or Ney over a bastard like McClellan any day.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Duuring on March 31, 2014, 11:01:02 pm
Picton (Division) and Ney (Corps) were not supreme commanders. McClellan was, and as far as I know he was still right in the middle of the battle. He wasn't a bad chap, just not the guy they wanted.

Blucher was just crazy.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on March 31, 2014, 11:04:44 pm
Hey, if you're a General and you've got the balls to fight alongside your men then I've got plenty of respect for you. Lead from the front damn it!
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Duuring on March 31, 2014, 11:12:22 pm
Commanding is more then charging all the time. Charging all the time means that aides and officers have no idea where you are, which is pretty important considering you're in charge. At some moments you might need to be seen by your men, but not doing so is not a sign of cowardice. It might sound harsh, but an officer, and especially a high one, is just a little bit more valuable then Private Tommy.

The story goes that the Prince of Orange rode around so much on the battlefields of Quatre-bras and Waterloo, leading a charge here and giving an order there, that most of his staff lost track of him.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on March 31, 2014, 11:15:55 pm
I'm well aware of that. But if one expects his men to be willing to die for the battle then he should do the same.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Duuring on March 31, 2014, 11:22:26 pm
Well, they were there. They catch cannonballs just as easy.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Archduke Sven on April 01, 2014, 09:33:34 am
You'd probably have a better chance of surviving in the Napoleonic Wars. It all depends on your regiment and/or what battle you were in but it would not be uncommon for regiments in the Civil War, more so for Southern forces, to be completely obliterated to <10% strength. Even though conscription was a heavily used system in the Napoleonic Wars in the CSA late-war conscription made regiments simultaneously younger and older as all the young men were killed or maimed; that kind of desperation for bodies to be put on the line did not happen in the Napoleonic Wars.

Oh my god. Pick up a book before creating stupid misconceptions.

In 1814 in France, 16 year olds (Never heard of the Marie Louises?) were called up to join the war, and men as older than 50 also called up. Bullshit that such desperation wasn't in the Napoleonic wars.

Which is why you're a skirmisher, so that way you can use cover more often that marching towards your death via column. Also scavenging.

It was far more dangerous to be a skirmisher. You're almost always in the vanguard, fighting at the very front and constantly in action. Ontop of that you still have to on occasion fight in a line with the line companies. Not to mention that cavalry will wreck you on any given occasion, like the french cuirassiers wiping out a brigade of Russian jaegers at Beresina.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Tallest on April 01, 2014, 10:29:29 am
You'd probably have a better chance of surviving in the Napoleonic Wars. It all depends on your regiment and/or what battle you were in but it would not be uncommon for regiments in the Civil War, more so for Southern forces, to be completely obliterated to <10% strength. Even though conscription was a heavily used system in the Napoleonic Wars in the CSA late-war conscription made regiments simultaneously younger and older as all the young men were killed or maimed; that kind of desperation for bodies to be put on the line did not happen in the Napoleonic Wars.

Oh my god. Pick up a book before creating stupid misconceptions.

In 1814 in France, 16 year olds (Never heard of the Marie Louises?) were called up to join the war, and men as older than 50 also called up. Bullshit that such desperation wasn't in the Napoleonic wars.

Which is why you're a skirmisher, so that way you can use cover more often that marching towards your death via column. Also scavenging.

It was far more dangerous to be a skirmisher. You're almost always in the vanguard, fighting at the very front and constantly in action. Ontop of that you still have to on occasion fight in a line with the line companies. Not to mention that cavalry will wreck you on any given occasion, like the french cuirassiers wiping out a brigade of Russian jaegers at Beresina.

Sven you're so smart <3
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Joker11 on April 01, 2014, 04:58:18 pm
Civil war because fuck the union
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on April 01, 2014, 11:55:44 pm
Civil war because fuck the union

Traitor! Execute him!
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Menelaos on April 02, 2014, 05:11:11 am
Probably would want to be light infantry in either scenario if possible. Industrial workplaces get a bad wrap, but it's probably a lot better to be a factory worker in the ACW. Unless you were conscripted, civilian life probably had positions that would needed to be filled as men are sent away. If it was a choice, I'd rather lose my hearing and join artillery if necessary or a camp laborer.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: usnavy30 on April 02, 2014, 05:36:27 am
Civil war because fuck the union

Traitor! Execute him!
Dem fighting words
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: ChaBoy on April 08, 2014, 12:52:17 am
gotta say the Civil War. I mean aside from it being so interesting, look at all the innovation in the war. Cartridges, the first machine guns, improved cannons. One more reason is because the Civil War's patriotism was so strong!
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Skipper on April 08, 2014, 11:42:53 am
I take it you mean US civil war (as some people think this is the only civil war that occurred) in which case I'm going to go with Napoleonic wars. I don't care about the US civil war as it has not had as strong impacts as the Napoleonic wars here in Europe.

Also I would most likely be serving in the British army as I am British and my ancestors at the time were too. All the more reason to say Britain as we had the best navy, line infantry, and skirmishers due to the lack of conscription. US civil war I would have to be one of two sides fighting desperately for survival on home soil, and if it is anything like that crap film called Lincoln then I guess it would be boring.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Duuring on April 08, 2014, 11:47:10 am
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All the more reason to say Britain as we had the best navy, line infantry, and skirmishers due to the lack of conscription.

No.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Skipper on April 08, 2014, 11:54:35 am
It's tru, Trafalgar ensured Britain's naval dominance and showed that education through naval experience best the French way of studying naval books.

And Britain was the only major nation not to conscript meaning heavy discipline was enacted and the British regiments could withstand about 3 more volleys than other nations.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Duuring on April 08, 2014, 12:00:03 pm
It did ensure naval dominance, but the British used just as much book-learning.

How does the use of volunteers mean heavy discipline was enacted? Are you saying conscripts weren't disciplined? Besides, the British weren't the only ones that used volunteer armies.
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the British regiments could withstand about 3 more volleys than other nations.

This is history, not N:TW.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Skipper on April 08, 2014, 12:05:33 pm
It is the truth, conscripts meant the other nations had superior numbers so British training was far more disciplined. You can Google it if you still don't believe me.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Duuring on April 08, 2014, 12:12:09 pm
The British weren't the only ones to use voluntarily enlistment and the level of training had little to do with being conscripted or not.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Skipper on April 08, 2014, 12:18:51 pm
The British were the only nation out of the coalition's and France to use volunteers, and the army started out small. No size does not effect discipline, but if you read "Britain against Napoleon, the organization of victory" it will describe Britain's policies in parliament at the time and how government did not want a large army as it would give power to the monarchy who were a constitution, so the army was kept relatively small though it did expand greatly by the end of the war, and heavy discipline was introduced to compete with French numbers, quality over quantity. Yes all nations had heavy discipline but the redcoats the most, it was said they could withstand 3 more volleys then the French, I was told this when I visited Waterloo.

And to clarify the naval book reading:
Britain's naval officers traditionally started their seagoing careers as midshipmen (probationary officers) aged 12 to 14 years old. As a result, they were poorly educated in all matters not relating to the sea but had an excellent practical knowledge of sailing, gunnery, winds, and tides. Although promotion depended largely on patronage and seniority, men of real talent were able to rise to the top on merit. British commanders were under orders to fight aggressively at all times - Admiral John Byng was shot for failing to do so in 1757. In France the system was quite different. Senior naval commanders were often army officers who had exchanged fighting on land for a life at sea. Those who sought a naval officers career from youth received a formal education far superior to their British counterparts, but gained much less practical experience. This meant they were far less superior when it came to actual engagements.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Duuring on April 08, 2014, 12:32:36 pm
The Dutch used both volunteers and conscripts in 1815. So you're wrong there.

The reason Britain kept its army small was because it was expensive as hell to keep one. Discipline level amongst the British was no better or worse then among other armies. Their training was better, simply because Britian had the money and time (and willingness) to spend on training.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Skipper on April 08, 2014, 12:39:56 pm
Firstly the Dutch were not a major coalition nation, they spent half their time as the Batavian Republic and they used conscription alongside volunteering, cancelling that point. The British army was small because the original priority was the navy, parliament were wary of a large army in case the monarch (head of the British army at the time) became too powerful. Yes Britain did have the time and willingness to train better troops through use of heavy discipline, and because their army was so small. Wellington introduced the new training and disciplinary regime due to his aristocratic beliefs and the fact that discipline had a good history in Britain starting with the new model army. When marching to Waterloo, any man who was just a bit out of line would receive a beating, very different to the French army where it was slightly more lax. This resulted in Britain's infantry becoming the most formidable on the battlefield at the time.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Duuring on April 08, 2014, 12:48:43 pm
You are just claiming stuff left right and centre, with no proof what-so-ever.

Wellington didn't introduce shit. Moore and the Duke of York did. You talk as if Wellingtons campaign is all about Waterloo and just say what you think that happened.

Like it or not, the Netherlands were part of the 7th Coalition. And effectively of the 6th too.
The Batavian Republic never had conscription. The Kingdom of Holland never had conscription. The United Kingdom of the Netherlands (that's the name of the country during the Waterloo period you apparantly know so much about) had conscription, but conscripts and volunteers received the exact same training.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Skipper on April 08, 2014, 12:59:23 pm
My proof is the books I mentioned and the fact I went to Waterloo and was told this information.

Wellington introduced the original beliefs that peninsula discipline should improve which was then brought up in parliament. This was in the peninsula not the hundred days. No I do not think Wellington' s campaigns were only the hundred days, I am simply using facts that I know and I was told about when I went to Waterloo, so it would make more sense to refer to it.

The Netherlands were only in the final coalitions, which is when they gained conscription.Yes they received the same training as their volunteers, we are talking about British army policies being different. Besides they were still not a major coalition nation the serving the Anglo-Dutch army.

All my points are built on facts and have told you three sources if proof to your 0. Also you are moving further and further away from my original point that British infantry training and discipline gave them the best line infantry in the world at the time. Fact.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Duuring on April 08, 2014, 04:04:35 pm
The problem with the Waterloo guides is that these guys just follow a script. They are, in no way, experts on the period or even on Waterloo. It's actually a very common joke amongst re-enactors to ask the most silly questions imaginable to guides, as they always think they have an answer. Saying 'Someone told me!' is not a source.


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my original point that British infantry training and discipline gave them the best line infantry in the world at the time. Fact.

Your point was that the British infantry was superior due to the fact they didn't use conscription, and that's not true, by the same fact that they were not the only ones that used voluntary enlistment. If we stay at the subject of Waterloo, Pictons division was hit hard by the French and simply overtaken - They could simply not hold the French advance. Several regiments broke, getting Picton killed. They were only saved by the attack of the cavalry, which then in turn got itself killed. But that's for another time. Back to your latest point - Of course better training makes them higher quality.

You also claimed the British had the best skirmishers, while it's very commonly accepted that the French were the best light infantrymen of Europa.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Skipper on April 08, 2014, 04:14:47 pm
Firstly that is a lie, I stated Britain had the best line infantry because they did not use conscription meaning they had to use more discipline and training to counter the French numbers. Perhaps you had a misinterpretation but I did not state that the reason was conscription, without the follow on the two points are not related, conscription simply explained why Britain had to adapt to gain the best troops. And it is true, Britain was the only major coalition nation in the war to not use conscription.

Next, I did not say British line infantry was invincible making the comment about Pictons men worthless, the 2e Corp de Erlon were a larger force than the 92nd and other regiments that were tasked with holding the French back until the Scott's Grey's could get them. They were being used to delay the French for the cavalry not being saved by the cavalry.

The cavalry was then killed by the French lancers leading to Neys cavalry charge, nothing to do with British infantry.

I have to agree with your point about the French light infantry.

Green jackets however, though they may be melodramatised, are thought to be the best rifles which was the point I was trying to put out.

You said my point about training was my newest point, actually that was my first point. What I was trying to say was Britain had the best line infantry because in order to counter conscription they were the best trained and had the most discipline.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Duuring on April 08, 2014, 04:33:37 pm
More training wasn't a counter of conscription. Less training was a result of conscription. And the lack of funds and most importantly - time. France was war for years and it simply needed soldiers. Two weeks training was enough, the rest would be learned at the front - and it worked pretty well.

You seem to have a very tunneled and lacking knowledge of Waterloo.

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, the 2e Corp de Erlon were a larger force than the 92nd and other regiments

While d'Erlon Corps was bigger, it was also packed a lot tighter and not all units were deployed against the centre (Some units going to the Allied left, to Papelotte). It held the roughly the same ground as Kempt's, Pack's and Bylandt's. Bylandt's brigade was Dutch-Belgian, by the way, making 1/3 of the force not British. In the fire-fight that occurred, it became very clear that the French were winning and the lines came closer and closer, which led to disarray and retreat among the allied lines.

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holding the French back until the Scott's Grey's could get them. They were being used to delay the French for the cavalry not being saved by the cavalry.

Every letter and report I've ever read counters that. It was never in the plan. In fact, it surprised the Allied command so much that they had to deploy the cavalry right away, with very limited spacing. This meant the cavalry had to trot its way into the French ranks, and even riding over part of the 92nd Highlanders in the process.

The cavarly assault was done by THREE brigades, for a total of NINE regiments. Not one regiment. If you had read a single article or a single text about the attack, you would know that. The attack was done by the Household brigade (four regiments), Union brigade (three) and Van Merlen's 2nd Light brigade (two regiments). All these brigades had around between 1.200 and 1.000 men. Van Merlen never made it to the actual attack as he stopped his brigade to provide a reserve, which the British turned out to desperately need due to turning a rescue mission into a undisciplined carnage.

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Green jackets however, though they may be melodramatised, are thought to be the best rifles which was the point I was trying to put out.

Besides the fact that the 95th consisted of only three batallions and was just a very small part of the British army, you make the statement, which means the burden of proof lies with you.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Skipper on April 08, 2014, 04:39:27 pm
I never stated there was only a single regiment. And history is written by the victor, most of the British books on the matter state they were trying to hold off the erlon in the hope the cavalry could get to them but apparently I am wrong.

Anyway I am hoping our discussion on my original point is at a close? As we have gone off topic.

The thing about the green jackets, firstly the 95th were not the only green jackets, secondly I stated it was possibly melodramatic.

And in British parliament conscription was countered with better troops. As previously stated, according to Britain against Napoleon the organization of victory, Pitt and the house of lords had a choice whether to choose between conscription themselves and risk radical action involving the monarchy which, just after the French revolution, was not an ideal move. Or they could try to find a way to beat French lines. Wellington complained that his men were "the scum of the earth" at the start of the peninsula and the policy of advanced training regimes were put in place due to the aristocratic governance over the armed forces.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Duuring on April 08, 2014, 04:42:24 pm
Well, let me put it like this; If it was part of the plan, Wellington sure did a very lousy job of preparing it.

If you know it was more then one regiment, why did you name only one?
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Archduke Sven on April 08, 2014, 04:45:37 pm
Conscription doesnt have shit to do with discipline, volunteers may be more motivated but the training and discipline they receive is the same.

Also what is this that the British+ Allies used discipline to defeat French numbers? Look at the battles and you'll realise the French had the same number or less troops than the Brits.

Ex. Salamanca, Toulouse, Talavera, Vittoria and Albuera

Even then they had terrible difficulties fighting the very worst French troops (excluding 1808). Took them 6 years to boot the French out of Spain with the best soldiers they had-

Furthermore, i'm sure you've heard instances of the supreme British discipline. Like the Horse Guards selling their horses for liquor :)
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Skipper on April 08, 2014, 04:46:51 pm
Because I did not know the names of the others.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Skipper on April 08, 2014, 04:53:14 pm
Conscription doesnt have shit to do with discipline, volunteers may be more motivated but the training and discipline they receive is the same.

Also what is this that the British+ Allies used discipline to defeat French numbers? Look at the battles and you'll realise the French had the same number or less troops than the Brits.

Ex. Salamanca, Toulouse, Talavera, Vittoria and Albuera

Even then they had terrible difficulties fighting the very worst French troops (excluding 1808). Took them 6 years to boot the French out of Spain with the best soldiers they had-

Furthermore, i'm sure you've heard instances of the supreme British discipline. Like the Horse Guards selling their horses for liquor :)

You are grasping the wrong end of my point too, read my paragraph on British policy and it should link conscription to discipline and training. Note that I am not comparing training in most armies conscripted and voluntary, I am simply saying because Britain could not conscript and was outnumbered, it used advanced training and discipline to make up for it. Nothing to do with volunteer-conscript differences, just the way the British government at the time acted. And yes in battles there were around equal numbers but overall the French had more, they were just fighting on multiple fronts. Next comes the point that the biggest killer of the British army in the peninsula was disease, according to a website I was reading earlier, one year 30000 men died of disease and something around 5000 died in battle. This would have slowed British advance, there is also the fact that the peninsula had a lot of sieges disregarding strategy and often skill of open infantry. In the battles, it did not all come down to skill in regiments. I can't speak too much about it as I don't have one hundred per cent knowledge on the matter but I think the time taken to defeat the French was down to a number of benefactors piled together, as is in every conflict.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Duuring on April 08, 2014, 04:57:07 pm
The biggest killer of any army was disease. And the French had it a lot worse due to longer supply lines. Not just the British had that problem.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Archduke Sven on April 08, 2014, 05:01:17 pm
No crap the French had more soldiers overall, but they were fighting on multiple fronts and the Brits knew that and they knew they had bigger allies. if the French had concentrated on the Brits alone no training in the universe would ever help them. Force concentration and tactics outweights troop quality by miles, something the French were masters at.

Yeah so the French didn't have any of the problems the Brits have?

Were the French immune to disease?

Did the French never have to take the offensive in Siege battles?
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Skipper on April 08, 2014, 05:08:48 pm
I never said the French were immune, I was simply trying to show alternate reasons that could compile to result in a slow British liberation of Spain and Portugal during the Peninsula campaign.

And I understand that the French were fighting on multiple fronts, that is why I said it, it is also why the British were able to exploit the amount of time  they had with their naval dominance to take these policies into account. The French still outnumbered the British and with the huge fear (invasion of Ireland didn't help) of revolution many MP's were completely against conscripting the military and so volunteer centers were set up, but this was not enough. Heavy training and discipline gave British soldiers a slight edge over French a majority of the time if the two were on equal footing in an equal fight. True, all of the French army would have overcome the British easily but the amount that would have been risked to cross the channel would have been just enough for advanced training regimes to put up a good fight.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Duuring on April 08, 2014, 06:54:26 pm
Heavy training? Probably. As for discipline - Not really. The discipline in the French army was just as strict. Men were beaten frequently and even showing up in a wrong set of pants at a parade got you into the Guard house for 10 days. I'm not even kidding.

You seem to mismatch action-and-result. Heavy training had always been a part of the British army, even before the Napoleonic age. In fact, it had been like that in any army. Above that, whether you train safely in a green field somewhere in England or during a 'rest day' of the French army, drilling is drilling. French armies just did more 'on the march'. It's mostly the shooting exercises that gave British soldiers 'that extra tip'.

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I never said the French were immune, I was simply trying to show alternate reasons that could compile to result in a slow British liberation of Spain and Portugal during the Peninsula campaign

The French has the same problem and walked over Spain and Portugal (and Britain) in just over a year.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Johan on April 12, 2014, 01:03:01 am
I don't give a single damn fuck about the American Civil War, so Napoleonic Wars obviously.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Jety Wawoo on April 12, 2014, 11:33:03 pm
I don't give a single damn fuck about the American Civil War, so Napoleonic Wars obviously.

I concur. Plus for the Napoleonic Wars, I like the uniforms and the discipline.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Duuring on April 12, 2014, 11:34:09 pm
You like the discipline?  :o
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: AlekoTheGreek on April 19, 2014, 11:55:10 pm
well... i would like to be a napoleonic era officer... but deffinatelly not a soldier, both wars were so deadly for the soldiers and actually most of the soldiers during these periods died meaninglessly
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Duuring on April 19, 2014, 11:59:06 pm
Cos when officers die, it's not any less meaningless?  :P
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Skipper on April 20, 2014, 12:57:43 am
Let's face it, it is better to be an officer any day xD
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: AlekoTheGreek on April 20, 2014, 10:04:13 am
ofc it is, but during napoleonic wars was even better :D since you know... no officer targeting :D  (it was true)
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Jelly on April 20, 2014, 10:39:47 am
ofc it is, but during napoleonic wars was even better :D since you know... no officer targeting :D  (it was true)
Evidence that no officers were shot by the enemy, ever?
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Turin Turambar on April 20, 2014, 01:20:53 pm
I think it was way more dangerous to be an officer because they had to lead their men and to be serious there WAS officer targeting (if there was at least targeting with these muskets).
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Duuring on April 20, 2014, 01:52:40 pm
Skirmishers targeted officers. It was their task. As for volley fire - you simply aimed for the enemy and whether you hit officers or private soldiers didn't make a difference. Officers had risky jobs because they either stood out in front or were mounted.

Officers had more change on survival because, if they got wounded, they'd be carried to safety and given help before the private soldiers. There's one account of a captain who got wounded at Waterloo and had four of his men carry him all the way to Brussels on a makeshift stretcher. While the battle was still going on.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Archduke Sven on April 20, 2014, 01:56:16 pm
Further considering officers typically were in the front rank as well. Not to mention they had a lot more work to do (paperwork, logistics) and have to lead large units of soldiers of varying characteristics.


wow, i got duuring'd
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Duuring on April 21, 2014, 12:38:17 am
wow, i got duuring'd

Happens to the best of us.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: TheRedRedcoat on April 28, 2014, 05:32:55 am
If you know it was more then one regiment, why did you name only one?

60th Royal American Rifles fought in greenjackets.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Duuring on April 28, 2014, 11:07:16 am
If you know it was more then one regiment, why did you name only one?

60th Royal American Rifles fought in greenjackets.

The 60th Foot had one batallion armed with rifles, the 5th. The other 8 were armed with muskets, except for the flank companies of the 8th and 9th. Those were indeed dressed in green, but only the 5th saw service in the peninsula and was still just a few hundred men.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Bruin on April 29, 2014, 05:26:04 am
None... Both where blood baths and most likely die from disease not a real death on the battlefield.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Carson on May 02, 2014, 05:01:27 am
None... Both where blood baths and most likely die from disease not a real death on the battlefield.
this is very true
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Earth Bby on May 04, 2014, 10:54:46 pm
Napoleonic wars, better trained soldiers and more chance of surviving a battle to tell my tales of war.  ;D I'd like to be in the placed into the OldGuard or 28th, either one time traveling wizards. 
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: SlothFather on May 05, 2014, 01:44:54 am
Napoleonic Wars. Would serve in the danish army. They didn't see any major action and they had nice uniforms
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Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Toffee on July 30, 2014, 04:09:21 pm
Napoleonic Wars. Simply for the fact that I'm British and would of loved to fight for my country in that era. Especially at Waterloo :D
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Gokiller on August 06, 2014, 07:46:53 pm
Civil war, Confederates.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Shade on August 06, 2014, 09:26:35 pm
Both wars were terrible for the soldiers.
I "like" both scenarios but I guess I'd go with the napoleonic wars for the look of it, the simplicity and what people call honour.
Both wars were incredibly cruel though, and I would not really want to fight in a war.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Millander on August 06, 2014, 09:54:44 pm
Both wars were terrible for the soldiers.
I "like" both scenarios but I guess I'd go with the napoleonic wars for the look of it, the simplicity and what people call honour.
Both wars were incredibly cruel though, and I would not really want to fight in a war.

Read some memoirs of battles and you will realize quick there is no such thing in battle.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Duuring on August 06, 2014, 10:33:31 pm
I highly disagree. Entire fortresses and militairy units surrendered on nothing more then their word, and they fucking kept to it.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: munky-wunky on August 11, 2014, 07:01:21 pm
this
is
so
stupid

too many euro farbs around here 

Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: munky-wunky on August 17, 2014, 01:20:10 am
this
is
so
stupid

too many euro farbs around here
*snip*


man somebody is pissed today.

and i would not be saying the word "faggit" around these parts
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Riddlez on August 17, 2014, 02:05:28 am
This is the civil parts of forums.
The reenactment is even worse/better

Hell, even I don't dare post there anymore.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Duuring on August 17, 2014, 02:07:05 am
That's good, because it's mostly meant for Re-enactors and those interested in re-enacting.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Riddlez on August 17, 2014, 02:07:52 am
those interested in re-enacting.

Pleased to meet you, I am above.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Duuring on August 17, 2014, 02:10:18 am
Still, the re-enactor Section is the most fun part of the forums and doesn't even have close to the amount of drama and fights the rest of the forum experiences. And when we have a fight, it's usually everybody against Vince. Cos he be farb.

Maybe try reading the section again before you post crap about it.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Riddlez on August 17, 2014, 09:34:54 pm
Still, the re-enactor Section is the most fun part of the forums and doesn't even have close to the amount of drama and fights the rest of the forum experiences. And when we have a fight, it's usually everybody against Vince. Cos he be farb.

Maybe try reading the section again before you post crap about it.

I actually meant that the Reenectment forum is a nice place.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Colonel Howe on August 17, 2014, 10:19:36 pm
The Napoleonic Wars should just be renamed to "Gay Pride Parade with Guns"
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on August 17, 2014, 10:30:52 pm
The Napoleonic Wars should just be renamed to "Gay Pride Parade with Guns"

The ACW should be renamed to: "Cheap imitation of the Gay Pride Parade with Guns, albeit with worse uniforms, worse-trained and equipped men, and Negro slaves." :P
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Colonel Howe on August 17, 2014, 10:33:42 pm
The Napoleonic Wars should just be renamed to "Gay Pride Parade with Guns"

The ACW should be renamed to: "Cheap imitation of the Gay Pride Parade with Guns, albeit with worse uniforms, worse-trained and equipped men, and Negro slaves." :P
The nationalism is strong with this one. You talk about better killing ability like its a good thing :P
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on August 17, 2014, 10:39:21 pm
The Napoleonic Wars should just be renamed to "Gay Pride Parade with Guns"

The ACW should be renamed to: "Cheap imitation of the Gay Pride Parade with Guns, albeit with worse uniforms, worse-trained and equipped men, and Negro slaves." :P
The nationalism is strong with this one. You talk about better killing ability like its a good thing :P

Oh yeah. Greece wasnt in the NWs (Ottoman Empire and all), but whatevs.
Spoiler
In a war, the killing ability of a side is a merit :P
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Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: DeoVindice61 on August 18, 2014, 05:38:19 am
The Napoleonic Wars should just be renamed to "Gay Pride Parade with Guns"


I'm inclined to believe that you stole my line.

RIGHT DUURING AMIRITE? 

Anyway, Klar I recommend looking into circus. It suit your intelligent level and of course, humor. ;D
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Colonel Howe on August 18, 2014, 05:41:27 am
The Napoleonic Wars should just be renamed to "Gay Pride Parade with Guns"


I'm inclined to believe that you stole my line.

RIGHT DUURING AMIRITE? 

Anyway, Klar I recommend looking into circus. It suit your intelligent level and of course, humor. ;D
I STEAL EVERYTHING

BECAUSE I INTO EUROPEAN

#FUCKINGEDGYASFUCKINGFUCK
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on August 18, 2014, 12:26:02 pm
The Napoleonic Wars should just be renamed to "Gay Pride Parade with Guns"


I'm inclined to believe that you stole my line.

RIGHT DUURING AMIRITE? 

Anyway, Klar I recommend looking into circus. It suit your intelligent level and of course, humor. ;D
Hmm...
Good One. (Said the guy with "Slap a Jap" as a description)

Spoiler
Love it when NA speaks about intelligence, it's like watching a gorilla try to learn English.
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Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Toffee on August 18, 2014, 12:41:31 pm
The Napoleonic Wars should just be renamed to "Gay Pride Parade with Guns"


I'm inclined to believe that you stole my line.

RIGHT DUURING AMIRITE? 

Anyway, Klar I recommend looking into circus. It suit your intelligent level and of course, humor. ;D
Hmm...
Good One. (Said the guy with "Slap a Jap" as a description)

Spoiler
Love it when NA speaks about intelligence, it's like watching a gorilla try to learn English.
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This isn't gonna turn into a #EUMasterRace4Life kind of argument is it?
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Bluehawk on August 18, 2014, 11:03:26 pm
EU vs. NA is the conceit of the whole thread.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Marceaux on August 18, 2014, 11:36:04 pm
The Napoleonic Wars should just be renamed to "Gay Pride Parade with Guns"


I'm inclined to believe that you stole my line.

RIGHT DUURING AMIRITE? 

Anyway, Klar I recommend looking into circus. It suit your intelligent level and of course, humor. ;D
Hmm...
Good One. (Said the guy with "Slap a Jap" as a description)

Spoiler
Love it when NA speaks about intelligence, it's like watching a gorilla try to learn English.
[close]

You are a disgrace to humanity, let alone England.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Toffee on August 19, 2014, 01:57:34 am
The Napoleonic Wars should just be renamed to "Gay Pride Parade with Guns"


I'm inclined to believe that you stole my line.

RIGHT DUURING AMIRITE? 

Anyway, Klar I recommend looking into circus. It suit your intelligent level and of course, humor. ;D
Hmm...
Good One. (Said the guy with "Slap a Jap" as a description)

Spoiler
Love it when NA speaks about intelligence, it's like watching a gorilla try to learn English.
[close]

You are a disgrace to humanity, let alone England.
Just ignore him he's just being an idiot. Showing himself him and making himself look stupid.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Colonel Howe on August 19, 2014, 10:16:29 pm
Rule Britannia, Britannia rules the slaves. We shall never ever ever be waves.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: British Footguard Stezz on September 15, 2014, 08:07:07 am
Napoleonic Wars, the crack of a musket and excitement [though some battles I'll be absolutely frightened]
Though I do hate the way how the ideology of warfare at this time was commonly 'Stand in a line shooting a terribly inaccurate weapon at around 70 yards, waiting to be shot. [Good thing I'm not left handed with a Brown Bess  ;D]
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on September 16, 2014, 09:41:18 pm
What's that old Russian proverb about what unit you join?

A smart man joins the Artillery, exetera exetera?
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: British Footguard Stezz on September 24, 2014, 02:28:51 pm
A smart man joins the artillery, a [forgot name but relates to nature] nature-lover joins the cavalry, a lazy man joins the navy, a fool joins the army.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: KL4R1N0G4MPR0S on September 24, 2014, 05:12:28 pm
A smart man camping nub who can't shoot or melee and only enjoys leading others to ragequit joins the artillery, ... balh blah blah
^^
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on September 24, 2014, 08:47:16 pm
A smart man joins the artillery, a [forgot name but relates to nature] nature-lover joins the cavalry, a lazy man joins the navy, a fool joins the army.

A DANDY joins the Cavalry.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: British Footguard Stezz on September 25, 2014, 11:39:33 am
A smart man joins the artillery, a [forgot name but relates to nature] nature-lover joins the cavalry, a lazy man joins the navy, a fool joins the army.

A DANDY joins the Cavalry.

[Points a Brown Bess at him]
I'd recommend you stop.
[Fires, and streamers comes out.]
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: joer5835 on September 25, 2014, 12:25:48 pm
A smart man joins the artillery, a [forgot name but relates to nature] nature-lover joins the cavalry, a lazy man brave man joins the navy, a fool joins the army.

A DANDY lazy man joins the Cavalry.

Fixed
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Duuring on September 25, 2014, 03:09:29 pm
I speak from personal experience when I say: Lies.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: The140th on October 21, 2014, 03:49:24 pm
They would both be absolutely horrific and terrifying to fight in. Neither.
Neither isn't a choice bro.... You choose which you would have fought in or you shouldn't be here.

Napoleonic Wars Btw  :)

According to the poll at the top of the discusion neither is in fact an option.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on October 21, 2014, 09:03:30 pm
I speak from personal experience when I say: Lies.

Bitch please, you're a dandy and you know it :D
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: KurassierNixon on October 21, 2014, 11:24:16 pm
I'd fight in the Civil War cuz the Union always wins #GetRektEurope+DirtyRebs
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Millander on October 22, 2014, 07:15:06 pm
I'm reading a fascinating book on the regimental history of the 9e Legere and I'm pretty sure civil war soldiers had It way better of then napoleonic soldiers. Any of you who say you would want to be in he napoleonic wars don't know what your talking about.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on October 23, 2014, 12:26:04 am
Civil War: Die in battle

Napoleonic Wars: Get killed by everything EXCEPT battle.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Commissar Jdf on October 23, 2014, 01:11:56 am
Civil War: Die in battle

Napoleonic Wars: Get killed by everything EXCEPT battle.

What? My great-someone fought all the way up to Gettysburg only to die of the flu on the way back haha.

I'm reading a fascinating book on the regimental history of the 9e Legere and I'm pretty sure civil war soldiers had It way better of then napoleonic soldiers. Any of you who say you would want to be in he napoleonic wars don't know what your talking about.

No one wants to be in any war. :)
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: hardcorefreestyleboy on October 23, 2014, 11:37:27 am
Well if I was forced to join any war I would apparently join some civil war artillery. I also dont give a single fuck on the ACW but being placed miles behind the front, operating some OP fort gun doesnt sound too dangerous eh?
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: ClearlyInvsible on October 23, 2014, 10:39:39 pm
Well if I was forced to join any war I would apparently join some civil war artillery. I also dont give a single fuck on the ACW but being placed miles behind the front, operating some OP fort gun doesnt sound too dangerous eh?

Surprise dragoon but seks.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Millander on October 24, 2014, 05:01:42 am
Well if I was forced to join any war I would apparently join some civil war artillery. I also dont give a single fuck on the ACW but being placed miles behind the front, operating some OP fort gun doesnt sound too dangerous eh?
heavy artillery fort garish. Wasn't to dangerous...until the overland campaign.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: 3pp_XW Sharpshooter on December 04, 2016, 04:34:57 pm
Napoleonic wars :P
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Marceaux on December 04, 2016, 11:13:12 pm
Napoleonic french guard infantry or grenadiers as i am quite tall, but that shit would be terrifying honestly.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Toffee on December 04, 2016, 11:15:07 pm
Wtf is with this Necro?
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: AeroNinja on December 05, 2016, 07:50:43 pm
Hmm ACR for me allthough its not in the choosing options. Native American Mohawks FTW.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Toffee on December 08, 2016, 10:01:31 pm
Wtf is ACR
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Marceaux on December 08, 2016, 10:40:02 pm
Wtf is ACR

American Civil Rawr?????????
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Bluehawk on December 10, 2016, 03:51:44 pm
The Civil Revolution, when America asked Britain politely to be granted seats in parliament and Britain granted it without incident.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Carson on December 11, 2016, 04:32:35 am
nice necro
Spoiler
look at ma old account
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Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: AeroNinja on December 11, 2016, 09:14:44 am
Wtf is ACR
i meant AR. Telephone grammar keyboard fucked up. xd. AR for American Revolution.
Title: Re: Civil War or Napoleonic Wars
Post by: Seegert on April 06, 2017, 03:33:36 pm
Napoleonic Wars