Grenades thrown at a mosque in Le Mans. There have been several attacks including a bullet fired at a mosque since yesterday's attacks. Sorry for non French speakers http://www.ouest-france.fr/apres-lattentat-charlie-hebdo-une-grenade-vise-une-mosquee-du-mans-3101622 On Thursday morning, an explosion was reported in a kebab shop near a mosque in Villefranche-sur-Saone, eastern France.
post from reddit I found very interesting: And so it goes..Grenades thrown at a mosque in Le Mans. There have been several attacks including a bullet fired at a mosque since yesterday's attacks. Sorry for non French speakers http://www.ouest-france.fr/apres-lattentat-charlie-hebdo-une-grenade-vise-une-mosquee-du-mans-3101622 On Thursday morning, an explosion was reported in a kebab shop near a mosque in Villefranche-sur-Saone, eastern France.
Al Baghdadi is smiling in his luxury room.
Okay man. Sure. Time to cut back on the coffee.I don't get it
Okay man. Sure. Time to cut back on the coffee.This.
I don't get itOkay man. Sure. Time to cut back on the coffee.This.
Right wingers get more ammunition to scare people into taking their side and villifying all immigrants - particularly muslims - the muslims who are not yet radicalized are starting to get scared that skinheads are going to kick their heads in, so they clump together and create ghettos, essentially - everyone else sees this and gets more afraid - more confusion and hatred spreads, and boom goes the powderkeg. We've got ourselves another kristallnacht.
watQuoteRight wingers get more ammunition to scare people into taking their side and villifying all immigrants - particularly muslims - the muslims who are not yet radicalized are starting to get scared that skinheads are going to kick their heads in, so they clump together and create ghettos, essentially - everyone else sees this and gets more afraid - more confusion and hatred spreads, and boom goes the powderkeg. We've got ourselves another kristallnacht.
mosloms shouldnt be in our countries in the furst pleis to steel jabs from us so ghettos shoudent excist. tehy can do gtehho in home cuntry
post from reddit I found very interesting: And so it goes..Grenades thrown at a mosque in Le Mans. There have been several attacks including a bullet fired at a mosque since yesterday's attacks. Sorry for non French speakers http://www.ouest-france.fr/apres-lattentat-charlie-hebdo-une-grenade-vise-une-mosquee-du-mans-3101622 On Thursday morning, an explosion was reported in a kebab shop near a mosque in Villefranche-sur-Saone, eastern France.
Al Baghdadi is smiling in his luxury room.
Islamic extremists commit acts of terror, Right wingers get more ammunition to scare people into taking their side and villifying all immigrants - particularly muslims - the muslims who are not yet radicalized are starting to get scared that skinheads are going to kick their heads in, so they clump together and create ghettos, essentially - everyone else sees this and gets more afraid - more confusion and hatred spreads, and boom goes the powderkeg. We've got ourselves another kristallnacht.
And the few who refuse to take a side between the "patriots" and the islamic theocrats are going to get sandwiched in the middle, as always.
And in the aftermath, people in the middle will be blamed on par with everyone else, of course. Look at germany post nazism, for example. There were many germans who absolutely hated hitler and wanted no part of his bullshit, didn't buy a word of the nazi party ideology, but in hindsight we tend not to think of those people. They're just all collaborators, and we sit around wondering how we ever let it get this bad in the first place. Why people didn't stop their hate rhetoric for five minutes and just think.
post from reddit I found very interesting: And so it goes..Grenades thrown at a mosque in Le Mans. There have been several attacks including a bullet fired at a mosque since yesterday's attacks. Sorry for non French speakers http://www.ouest-france.fr/apres-lattentat-charlie-hebdo-une-grenade-vise-une-mosquee-du-mans-3101622 On Thursday morning, an explosion was reported in a kebab shop near a mosque in Villefranche-sur-Saone, eastern France.
Al Baghdadi is smiling in his luxury room.
Islamic extremists commit acts of terror, Right wingers get more ammunition to scare people into taking their side and villifying all immigrants - particularly muslims - the muslims who are not yet radicalized are starting to get scared that skinheads are going to kick their heads in, so they clump together and create ghettos, essentially - everyone else sees this and gets more afraid - more confusion and hatred spreads, and boom goes the powderkeg. We've got ourselves another kristallnacht.
And the few who refuse to take a side between the "patriots" and the islamic theocrats are going to get sandwiched in the middle, as always.
And in the aftermath, people in the middle will be blamed on par with everyone else, of course. Look at germany post nazism, for example. There were many germans who absolutely hated hitler and wanted no part of his bullshit, didn't buy a word of the nazi party ideology, but in hindsight we tend not to think of those people. They're just all collaborators, and we sit around wondering how we ever let it get this bad in the first place. Why people didn't stop their hate rhetoric for five minutes and just think.
This was quite thought-provoking, thanks for this. The only thing acts of terror really achieve is to allow right wing governments to remove more of our liberties in the name of security, or defense. Think American post-9/11.
The guy killing people at his school is insane. Because of that there are hospitals for people like him.
The guy killing people at his school is insane. Because of that there are hospitals for people like him.
The problem is, that if one guy runs around with an AK, killing a dozen people in a school, for the reason that his teacher gave him bad marks, no one really cares.
But if a Muslim runs around with an AK, killing a dozen people, for the reason that someone criticized his religion, everyone starts freaking out.
The problem is, that if one guy runs around with an AK, killing a dozen people in a school, for the reason that his teacher gave him bad marks, no one really cares.
But if a Muslim runs around with an AK, killing a dozen people, for the reason that someone criticized his religion, everyone starts freaking out.
They are both insane. I don't see what point you are trying to make, school shootings are abysmal compared to the threat of radical Islam.
Never said anything even close to that.The problem is, that if one guy runs around with an AK, killing a dozen people in a school, for the reason that his teacher gave him bad marks, no one really cares.
But if a Muslim runs around with an AK, killing a dozen people, for the reason that someone criticized his religion, everyone starts freaking out.
They are both insane. I don't see what point you are trying to make, school shootings are abysmal compared to the threat of radical Islam.
Both events, the school shooting and the muslim going amok are equally as bad/good. There is no difference. Just because a specific group of people tends to turn insane more often doesn't mean that certain events should be ignored or highlighted.
Both events, the school shooting and the muslim going amok are equally as bad/good. There is no difference. Just because a specific group of people tends to turn insane more often doesn't mean that certain events should be ignored or highlighted.
There is no easy solution to them because they are commited for different reasons. You might be thinking of another somewhat obvious solution, but it will hardly fix this problem and only cause more.
Or as kim said give guns to teachers, then everyone will be antagonistic and will kill each other and then there will be no one around to have any problems.
Yeah, it's as simple as that. If you don't want people to shoot with guns give more guns to the people!
If people want a gun to commit a crime, they wont stop committing a crime to get it.A person who shares right wing views on the internet? Blasphemy.
I do not think that the guy who wants to murder someone with a gun will stop doing it just because he commits a crime by getting a gun illegally...
Weapon laws are fine as they are right now. You are allowed to buy a gun. It is rather hard, the guy who wants a gun needs to do all kinds of tests, you need a clean crime record, and it is rather expensive and takes time. Besides that, you are not allowed to buy any sub machine guns, rockets launchers etc. That is fine.
The law just needs a simple addition/change. Wearing guns in a concealed way should be allowed. If you would be allowed to wear it underneath your jacket (concealed) maybe it would help with the crime rate.
As a robber or a rapist, I would think twice if I really want to rob that person. Maybe he/she is wearing a gun.
As a robber or a rapist, I would wear a gun too, just in case. And shoot first. And then I would rape the victim nonetheless. However I would be cautious with babies. One of them managed to kill its mother a few days ago with its mother's own gun. Babies are very dangerous with guns.
http://mic.com/articles/90071/7-lies-we-need-to-stop-telling-about-gun-control-in-america
Yeah we need to legalize open carry of fully automatic assault rifles and obviously privatise everything.
The law just needs a simple addition/change. Wearing guns in a concealed way should be allowed. If you would be allowed to wear it underneath your jacket (concealed) maybe it would help with the crime rate.
A person who shares right wing views on the internet? Blasphemy.
I agree with you totally.
Yeah we need to legalize open carry of fully automatic assault rifles and obviously privatise everything.
Yeah we need to legalize open carry of fully automatic assault rifles and obviously privatise everything.
That's already legal in many states. Nobody really does it except occasionally during demonstrations and stuff because it's impractical and inconvenient. Nobody has never been shot because of it. Most people just see it as annoying and obnoxious when some idiot walks into Walmart with a rifle on his back, and not much else.
One day we'll live in libertarian paradise where there's no safety inspectors and no roads. One day comrade.
Never knew fully auto's were legal.
The law just needs a simple addition/change. Wearing guns in a concealed way should be allowed. If you would be allowed to wear it underneath your jacket (concealed) maybe it would help with the crime rate.
Open-carry is better etiquette though, if there are any regulations that need to be in place, open-carry has to be one. Sort of a sign of respect to let people know where your gun is and if you have one that you have one. It'd only teach people fear if it was uncertain whether or not their fellow citizens were armed. The open-carry allows people to treat guns maturely rather than a coveted big-kids toy.
Reason #1: Is the American People affraid of a minority because it bears guns? Is that democracy?As a robber or a rapist, I would wear a gun too, just in case. And shoot first. And then I would rape the victim nonetheless. However I would be cautious with babies. One of them managed to kill its mother a few days ago with its mother's own gun. Babies are very dangerous with guns.
http://mic.com/articles/90071/7-lies-we-need-to-stop-telling-about-gun-control-in-america
Oh boy, another shitty list article with misleading statistics and outdated data! I never expected this from you, thanks for this crucial information.
Also, here:
http://www.theclause.org/2013/02/gun-control-five-reasons-why-it-wont-work/
The guns used at the Columbine High School massacre were illegal(acquired by illegal means)...As a robber or a rapist, I would wear a gun too, just in case. And shoot first. And then I would rape the victim nonetheless. However I would be cautious with babies. One of them managed to kill its mother a few days ago with its mother's own gun. Babies are very dangerous with guns.
http://mic.com/articles/90071/7-lies-we-need-to-stop-telling-about-gun-control-in-america
Reason #3: Colunbine High School massacre: at the end of the day, "legal" weapon providers were involved. Friends of the teens bought the weapons legally. They were not imported from the Middle East or Eastern Europe by some criminal organization. In a normal country, obtaining guns so easily when you are teenager from a middle class family not connected to criminal networks would be unthinkable.
"What we know so far: the eighteen year old girlfriend of one of the Columbine High School killers bought some of the guns they used at a gun show nearby. Another gun was purchased by a co-worker. The murder weapons were all legally purchased in the immediate area. "
http://www.spectacle.org/599/columb.html
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http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/mass-shootings-map
"What we know so far: the eighteen year old girlfriend of one of the Columbine High School killers bought some of the guns they used at a gun show nearby. Another gun was purchased by a co-worker. The murder weapons were all legally purchased in the immediate area. "
http://www.spectacle.org/599/columb.html
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http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/mass-shootings-map
The difference is that when France was invaded, France was the retarded country.
I laugh at gun laws in other countries and states. #justarizonathings. Anyways re-railing this thread. Gun control in the Us and France is very different so let's just focus on France right now. Unless the gunmen got the guns from America I really don't see how it's relevant.
he stil doing a lot more than you've done augy
i see you havent traveled to kurdiland yet to fight with your anarchist brethren yet?
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Breaking news: The French are obsessed with themselves and a Jewish group is hanging out with people who advocate Hitler-esque politics because they both hate Arabs so much.
http://www.vice.com/read/far-right-france-philip-kleinfeld
Everyone who doesnt agree with you is a facist capitalistic pig who wants to destroy the workers.
Hitler loved the Islam and Arabs.Fascists love Islam when Islam serves their interests. During the demonstrations against gay marriage, they were very glad to have a lot of Muslims by their side. Many Muslims also supported the National Front during the last elections, especially in Marseille. This is far right: neither right nor left but opportunism, lies, and hatred. Pretending to defend the nation one day, betraying it the day after.
Because along with the USA's population being larger, it's also far more diverse. New England is roughly the same size as a typical European country, with a higher HDI, similar GDP, and similar crime rate. In France, the population is not nearly as diverse and so the crime rate, HDI, etc. is roughly the same in every part of the country. The laws, economic standards, and regulations are also the same across the board, which is not how it works in the US.
Anyway, the 'meme' I posted was not to be taken seriously - just bait, like most of the shit in this thread. The data in my image does seemed to be backed up by numerous sources, but I don't know with what criteria they came to that conclusion, nor do I really care enough to find out. The quip about weapon laws in France was also unrelated.
that was written like a poem +1Hitler loved the Islam and Arabs.Fascists love Islam when Islam serves their interests. During the demonstrations against gay marriage, they were very glad to have a lot of Muslims by their side. Many Muslims also supported the National Front during the last elections, especially in Marseille. This is far right: neither right nor left but opportunism, lies, and hatred. Pretending to defend the nation one day, betraying it the day after.
Be more bigoted and violent towards other people's or you'll turn into Africa is what I learned todayBecause along with the USA's population being larger, it's also far more diverse. New England is roughly the same size as a typical European country, with a higher HDI, similar GDP, and similar crime rate. In France, the population is not nearly as diverse and so the crime rate, HDI, etc. is roughly the same in every part of the country. The laws, economic standards, and regulations are also the same across the board, which is not how it works in the US.
Anyway, the 'meme' I posted was not to be taken seriously - just bait, like most of the shit in this thread. The data in my image does seemed to be backed up by numerous sources, but I don't know with what criteria they came to that conclusion, nor do I really care enough to find out. The quip about weapon laws in France was also unrelated.Spoiler(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Fwp-apps%2Fimrs.php%3Fsrc%3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fimg.washingtonpost.com%2Fblogs%2Fworldviews%2Ffiles%2F2013%2F05%2Fdiverity-map-harvard2.jpg%26amp%3Bw%3D1484&hash=ad1b3891928711f99bf056fc6a37c2262cdd959a)[close]
Be more bigoted and violent towards other people's or you'll turn into Africa is what I learned today
The first step of the New World Order, brace your anuses :-\Spoilerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEvlKKm6og[close]
Vice is so far left it's disgusting.
Breaking news: The French are obsessed with themselves and a Jewish group is hanging out with people who advocate Hitler-esque politics because they both hate Arabs so much.
http://www.vice.com/read/far-right-france-philip-kleinfeld
Apparently a bullet is big enough to claim 'WHERE'S ALL THE BLOOD' but not big enough to maybe have gone trough the head and hit the sidewalk.(and that would have resulted in blood, especially at this range lel)
They spelt "ethnically" wrong. I would also love to find out how they allocated those arbitrary colours to map.Spoiler(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Fwp-apps%2Fimrs.php%3Fsrc%3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fimg.washingtonpost.com%2Fblogs%2Fworldviews%2Ffiles%2F2013%2F05%2Fdiverity-map-harvard2.jpg%26amp%3Bw%3D1484&hash=ad1b3891928711f99bf056fc6a37c2262cdd959a)[close]
What is this classical liberal == far left memeWhat? Please use grammar next time, ty :-*
Of course they didn't kill him, the cop was a muslim.O.O mooslim conspiracy OMA
What? Please use grammar next time, ty :-*
Wow, you really need to learn2internet. Of course, using the old left/right dichotomy is unrealistic at best nowadays, but maybe you do realise that I was using an extremely simplified version of the spectrum just to illustrate Vice's rather progressive viewpoint on this specific article?What? Please use grammar next time, ty :-*
Why do you perpetuate this strange idea that classical liberals are far left? VICE isn't anywhere near socialist, it's made up of anarchist and vegans. Using simpleton terms like "left" and "right", they are right wing.
A bullet of that caliber would not necessarily make all that much of a mess. If you really want a comparison and don't mind some pretty brutal footage, look up videos of ISIS shooting people point blank range (mainly with AKs) and it looks pretty much the same. The bleeding comes afterwards, especially if it's done with FMJ rounds, which make the wound much cleaner and more direct.
A bullet of that caliber would not necessarily make all that much of a mess. If you really want a comparison and don't mind some pretty brutal footage, look up videos of ISIS shooting people point blank range (mainly with AKs) and it looks pretty much the same. The bleeding comes afterwards, especially if it's done with FMJ rounds, which make the wound much cleaner and more direct.
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On a serious note, thanks for clarifying. I don't know that much about guns :'(
The first step of the New World Order, brace your anuses :-\
Very predictable response.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/01/the-charlie-hebdo-attack-was-a-blow-against-free-speech-not-a-reason-for-more-surveillance/
Shut up already Kim.
Impyling conservatives advocate for more surveillance. Also what, when did I ever say anything about supporting it?
Stop trying to make us look like statists. We aren't
Impyling conservatives advocate for more surveillance. Also what, when did I ever say anything about supporting it?
Stop trying to make us look like statists. We aren't
Its funny how France is currently all about Free Speech after these attacks, while in the past they passed laws that outlawed wearing religious gear in public, like turbans, crosses and hijabs.Wearing religious gear in public isn't forbidden. An enormous amount of people wear religious gear, and hijab are the most visible. Since 2010 you are not allowed to cover your face in public, thus hijabs are not forbidden since they don't cover the face. You can't wear a burqa, but you can't wear a balaclava either nor any kind of cloth that covers the face. Of course there is some exceptions (work, health, sports...) but a man who would walk the streets with a motorcycle helmet could be fined.
And they banned protests for Palestine, and they imprisoned a comedian for what he said in one of his routines. Freedom!
And american libertarians are statists. they are just too dumb to know it.
So many strawmans it is starting to look like the Wizard of Oz up in here.Spoiler(https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fsd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk%2Fi%2Fkeep-calm-and-sandu-ciorba.png&hash=e1cb731c8ebe87b250a78a310ef65286f830e7fa)[close]Stop trying to make us look like statists. We aren't
We should privatise the state too!
It's about precaution, not practicality. Any one of those 2,000 people could have a shady reason to hide their faces in public. Additionally, a non-Muslim or a man could wear a burqa as a disguise to carry out an attack. Besides that, there are other coverings banned by the law, it's just that burqas are the most common and the most controversial because they're required under religious custom. I don't think it's aimed at Muslims in particular. It does affect them the most, but that's merely circumstantial, in my view.I would agree with you if the law was efficient, but it's not. Muslim women keep hiding their face in public. They pay the 150 euros and they start again. Moreover, you don't need a fine to check the identity of a woman wearing a burqa. Since there is only 2000 of them, or something like that, it would be a stupid idea to carry out an attack wearing a burqa. You would be suspected immediately.
if they wanna wear their degenerate headwear they can be my guest to travel back to pakiland and continue with their tradition where it belongs hue
europe needs sum more conservative liberal parties up in ere
if they wanna wear their degenerate headwear they can be my guest to travel back to pakiland and continue with their tradition where it belongs hue
europe needs sum more conservative liberal parties up in ere
It's funny how liberals will acknowledge and even support the regulation of speech to prevent the incitement of hatred or panic amongst the public in tandem with legally protected free speech, but then, for some reason, when that speech pertains to Muslims, forget this and pretend that free speech is a carte blanche.
The dissonance amuses me to this day.
http://fair.org/blog/2015/01/11/some-european-bloodbaths-are-more-interesting-than-others/
Crimea river, if muslims can't handle their pedophile prophet being depicted in a slightly negative way then they should fuck off back to somalia.
Saudi Arabia. The nation you're looking for is Saudi Arabia, the nation that contains the Islamic holy city of Mecca.
Saudi Arabia. The nation you're looking for is Saudi Arabia, the nation that contains the Islamic holy city of Mecca.
I think that he was using it more as a stereotype lel :P
Look, RT is interviewing a zionist Jew about Islamic terrorism:Subscribes to RT.... GG indeed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9anYLt1Aml4
gg, Ivan
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No Islamic Extremist thread to post this in, so this seemed the next best place. Not sure how many of you followed this as it developed at all, but Fox News showed its incredible ability of rooting out facts that the rest of the world is as yet unaware of. The video of the interview itself is already comedy gold, but the internet's response to it was even better.
Just Google #FoxNewsFacts
Edit: A bit large, so I put it in a spoiler
Nah Tiki, they were just doing a future piece for 20 years down the road.Spoiler(https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/newshounds/pages/5747/attachments/original/1421022512/FoxNewsFacts_4.png?1421022512)[close]
No Islamic Extremist thread to post this in, so this seemed the next best place. Not sure how many of you followed this as it developed at all, but Fox News showed its incredible ability of rooting out facts that the rest of the world is as yet unaware of. The video of the interview itself is already comedy gold, but the internet's response to it was even better.
Just Google #FoxNewsFacts
Edit: A bit large, so I put it in a spoiler
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SpoilerJust some points about the picture. (I'm not saying it isn't a violent religion also but still)
1. The Crusades were hundreds and hundreds of years ago, you don't still blame Germans now a days for the Nazi party. At least you shouldn't anyway.
2. Besides the rape bit. How often does this happen now a days?
2a.The IRA is essentially dead and is limited to people's tires getting let down. My Dad is from Belfast and was a catholic and his brothers were in the British Army whilst living there. He's still alive and married a Anglican.
2b. The KKK is no where as big as it was in the early 20th century.
2c. I honestly don't know about the abortion clinic stuff since we don't really ever hear about that over here but I assume it's not like once a week or something.
Plus the Christian Churches are more adaptable as time goes on I feel. The Koran is the direct word of god and is completely perfect. i.e Not open for debate (as far as I am aware). The Christian churches however all have leaders. The Church of England now allows female bishops because they have some democracy going on in there. The new Pope is pretty liberal as far as Popes go and is able to speak "directly to god" and therefore interpret the bible however he likes. Whereas there is no Muslim head of the religion. Everything comes from the Koran, imams won't come together and assemble to decide on female imams or homosexual rights.
The frequency of Islamic attacks in the modern day to me is thousands of times more regular than that of Christian ones, and when it comes to people like Breivik and Hitler, I may be wrong, but are they not more politically motivated with religious targets rather than coming from their own religious beliefs?
Similar with Rupert Murdoch, when he was talking about how Muslims should apologise and then all the Liberal White Folk came in and started saying "We're sorry for Rupert Murdoch because I'm a white male and I should be according to him", but that seemed to be mixing race with religion and grouping white people. I know you can't just group all Muslims but they're less diverse than all white people and they don't all belong to the same cult/religion.
Went on a tangent there but I think it loosely makes sense? Sorry if it doesn't. I'm not gonna proof read it.[close]
1. The Crusades were hundreds and hundreds of years ago, you don't still blame Germans now a days for the Nazi party. At least you shouldn't anyway.
No.Spoiler(https://i.imgur.com/Eg8rt2f.jpg)[close]
Just some points about the picture. (I'm not saying it isn't a violent religion also but still)
1. The Crusades were hundreds and hundreds of years ago, you don't still blame Germans now a days for the Nazi party. At least you shouldn't anyway.
Not really. It doesn't even have a clear definition of the word 'infidel'.
Spoiler(https://i.imgur.com/yi8D8Y3.jpg)[close]
No.Spoiler(https://i.imgur.com/Eg8rt2f.jpg)[close]
Just some points about the picture. (I'm not saying it isn't a violent religion also but still)
1. The Crusades were hundreds and hundreds of years ago, you don't still blame Germans now a days for the Nazi party. At least you shouldn't anyway.
Not really. It doesn't even have a clear definition of the word 'infidel'.
but everyone knows what it means, someone who doesn't believe in islam, which means they should be killed
gr8 banter muhammed
but everyone knows what it means, someone who doesn't believe in islam, which means they should be killed
The second picture was removed from their website one day later because it was "antisemitic". So what they are actually saying is, that press freedom is okay when it makes fun of moslems but that there is none when it goes against Jews.
It's maybe a bit late but I just found out there was a German news magazine that published a few caricatures from Charlie Hebdo.
One of them had the picture of Mohammed on it and the title was "Sharia Hebdo".
The other one had a picture of an orthodox Jew on it and the title was "Shoa Hebdo".
The second picture was removed from their website one day later because it was "antisemitic". So what they are actually saying is, that press freedom is okay when it makes fun of moslems but that there is none when it goes against Jews.
It's maybe a bit late but I just found out there was a German news magazine that published a few caricatures from Charlie Hebdo.That wasn't a caricature from Charlie Hebdo. That was a caricature from the French antisemitic far-right close to Dieudonné and his friends which copied the style of Charlie Hebdo to create this horrendous "Sharia Hebdo" picture:
One of them had the picture of Mohammed on it and the title was "Sharia Hebdo".
The other one had a picture of an orthodox Jew on it and the title was "Shoa Hebdo".
The second picture was removed from their website one day later because it was "antisemitic". So what they are actually saying is, that press freedom is okay when it makes fun of moslems but that there is none when it goes against Jews.
But they bot suck as far as I can see.
And I was referring to the fact that the German newspaper considered one of them as antisemitic and the other one as a glorious example of western freedom.
It is said that around 5 million people died during the Shoah. That would be a problem if a German newspaper thought that mocking the memory of the Shoah was a "glorious example of western freedom."
Fascists always demand the right of free speech for themselves. But as Saint-Just said: "No freedom for the enemies of freedom."
11. No posting of National Socialist imagery, symbols or right wing opinions or representation that may glorify or seek to represent elements of former Nazi Germany.
In many countries such symbols and imagery are banned particularly in Germany where FSE's host servers are based. At the end of the day this is a forum for the enjoyment of FSE products and not a platform for political discourse. FSE does not wish to contravene Germany's strict policies in regards to Strafgesetzbuch section 86a and thus requests that its users adhere to this policy as part of the terms of service agreement.
I don't consider that those who disagree with me are necessary "enemies of freedom." Freedom, political freedom, is the common ground of a great variety of political opinions. But some ideas are not acceptable if they are harmful to society.
After WWII, since a lot of people suffered, and I personally know some survivors from the camps, it was an inalienable right for the European populations to live in a society in which nobody would dare to speak lightly of the crimes of Nazi Germany. And of course, especially for the Germans. That's why this limitation of freedom of speech was done accordingly to the Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen. And therefore I agree with this part of the forum rules which is infringed quite often without any reaction from the moderators:Quote11. No posting of National Socialist imagery, symbols or right wing opinions or representation that may glorify or seek to represent elements of former Nazi Germany.
In many countries such symbols and imagery are banned particularly in Germany where FSE's host servers are based. At the end of the day this is a forum for the enjoyment of FSE products and not a platform for political discourse. FSE does not wish to contravene Germany's strict policies in regards to Strafgesetzbuch section 86a and thus requests that its users adhere to this policy as part of the terms of service agreement.
I don't consider that those who disagree with me are necessary "enemies of freedom." Freedom, political freedom, is the common ground of a great variety of political opinions. But some ideas are not acceptable if they are harmful to society.
After WWII, since a lot of people suffered, and I personally know some survivors from the camps, it was an inalienable right for the European populations to live in a society in which nobody would dare to speak lightly of the crimes of Nazi Germany. And of course, especially for the Germans. That's why this limitation of freedom of speech was done accordingly to the Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen. And therefore I agree with this part of the forum rules which is infringed quite often without any reaction from the moderators:Quote11. No posting of National Socialist imagery, symbols or right wing opinions or representation that may glorify or seek to represent elements of former Nazi Germany.
In many countries such symbols and imagery are banned particularly in Germany where FSE's host servers are based. At the end of the day this is a forum for the enjoyment of FSE products and not a platform for political discourse. FSE does not wish to contravene Germany's strict policies in regards to Strafgesetzbuch section 86a and thus requests that its users adhere to this policy as part of the terms of service agreement.
You have to keep in mind "no platform" refers to the message of hatred, bigotry, and violence that our typical fascist has to share.
At 8 in the morning? No, but I haven't slept for around 24 hours.You're always drunk
Doesn't matter though, my point still stands that the content of speech is entirely irrelevant when considering its legality and to what extent it's covered under the right to free speech. A right is a right. You can hate what someone is saying all you want, but it is no government's place to force a person or people to be quiet on those grounds.
At the end of the day this is a forum for the enjoyment of FSE products and not a platform for political discourse.
Since years some of those who managed to escape from the camps have been keeping and transmitting the memory of their comrades who died under Nazi yoke and of their own history. And yet you pretend in the most shameful manner that we shouldn't speak about it and that they should keep it for themselves?I don't consider that those who disagree with me are necessary "enemies of freedom." Freedom, political freedom, is the common ground of a great variety of political opinions. But some ideas are not acceptable if they are harmful to society.
After WWII, since a lot of people suffered, and I personally know some survivors from the camps, it was an inalienable right for the European populations to live in a society in which nobody would dare to speak lightly of the crimes of Nazi Germany. And of course, especially for the Germans. That's why this limitation of freedom of speech was done accordingly to the Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen. And therefore I agree with this part of the forum rules which is infringed quite often without any reaction from the moderators:Quote11. No posting of National Socialist imagery, symbols or right wing opinions or representation that may glorify or seek to represent elements of former Nazi Germany.
In many countries such symbols and imagery are banned particularly in Germany where FSE's host servers are based. At the end of the day this is a forum for the enjoyment of FSE products and not a platform for political discourse. FSE does not wish to contravene Germany's strict policies in regards to Strafgesetzbuch section 86a and thus requests that its users adhere to this policy as part of the terms of service agreement.
Please do not come in here pretending you are some sort of representative of all who suffered in World war 2. It's in very bad taste, makes you look like an idiot and is just rude to people who have or have relatives who actually suffered under those crimes. The fact that 'you know' some people changes nothing.
No, the fuck are you on about? You shouldn't use those holocaust victims as a springboard for your own egotistic argumentation is what he's saying.The only egotistic thing is to refuse to draw the moral, philosophical, and political consequences of the martyr of 5 million men.
It doesn't make you more knowledgeable or morally righteous.It does make me more knowledgeable. Any kind of experience makes you more knowledgeable. And it also contributes to make me more righteous, that's why I'm speaking about them. It's about them, not about me.
Do us all a favor and ignore talk that you disapprove of, instead of whining and bawwing until some special interest group takes notice and gets it silenced in the name of progressivism.Oh and what are you doing there?
Doesn't matter though, my point still stands that the content of speech is entirely irrelevant when considering its legality and to what extent it's covered under the right to free speech. A right is a right. You can hate what someone is saying all you want, but it is no government's place to force a person or people to be quiet on those grounds.Living in a society implies that you have to follow some rules, abide by the law, and accept some limitations of your liberties. There is nothing sacred in speech, or is that a new religion?
OH WAIT. You share the ideas of fascism yet you're trying to denounce it. 'You can only have freedom if it doesn't harm muh society', great banter. HEY GOYS, I FOUND ANOTHER DUMB HYPOCRITE.So you are saying that when Saint Just said "No freedom for the enemies of freedom", he was also an enemy of freedom and an hypocrite. No, he wasn't, because he understood perfectly that in order to protect the freedom of the people, you have to establish a political society wich garantees liberty, but only for those who respect the principles and the law.
The only egotistic thing is to refuse to draw the moral, philosophical, and political consequences of the martyr of 5 million men.
Is the death of all the Slavs an excuse to forbid speech that is anti-Slav or anti-Russian? Is the death of so many Romas an excuse to ban Gypsy-related jokes/anti-Roma speech? Is the death of so many homosexuals a reason to ban anti-homosexual speech? Is the death of so many communists a reason to ban anti-communist speech? Is the death of so many Poles a reason to ban anti-Polish speech? Is the death of so many Germans a reason to ban anti-German speech?Yes it is, except maybe for Communism which is a political idea.
Do I agree with it? Yes. Because this is a forum owned by a Game Company that has its servers in Germany which bans that. It's the owners right to create any rule they see fit, because they own it. This is not society. It's a forum. Free speech means you can't get arrested and punished by the State, it doesn't mean other persons can't refuse you services.You are saying that you respect the rule, not that you agree with it. And moreover you don't explain why the owner of a forum could create rules that restrict freedom of speech, and not the owner of society, i.e. the people.
"It deteste what you say, but I shall die for your right to say it." - Some frog possibly Voltaire, I can't remember.Voltaire was shit compared to Rousseau.
not that you agree with it.
Do I agree with it? Yes.
And moreover you don't explain why the owner of a forum could create rules that restrict freedom of speech, and not the owner of society, i.e. the people.
The rule doesn't restrict freedom of speech. If I ask you not to put political posters on my house, am I restricting your right to free speech? No, I'm asking you to take your shit somewhere else.That's a restriction to freedom of speech nonetheless. In this situation you admit that private property can restrict freedom of speech. Moreover, as you can notice, the rule isn't against all political symbols, but against nazi symbols. Therefore Nazis and their friends are not as free on this forum as they could be on a Nazi forum. At least they shouldn't be.
I'd just like to point out that Svens profile pic is Frank Ribbery, a French Football player who converted to Islam in 2006.
Who's the retard now?
QuoteIs the death of all the Slavs an excuse to forbid speech that is anti-Slav or anti-Russian? Is the death of so many Romas an excuse to ban Gypsy-related jokes/anti-Roma speech? Is the death of so many homosexuals a reason to ban anti-homosexual speech? Is the death of so many communists a reason to ban anti-communist speech? Is the death of so many Poles a reason to ban anti-Polish speech? Is the death of so many Germans a reason to ban anti-German speech?Yes it is, except maybe for Communism which is a political idea.
No. It isn't. Freedom of speech means you can not get punished for what you say. You can, however, be banned from any organization, company or online community.Privatization of censorship isn't freedom of speech. If, let's say, someone is banned from all companies, online communities, organizations and stuff like that, there is no actual freedom of speech for him, especially in a country in which there is few public organizations. That would be a form of fascism.
Just like Nazi's can start a forum and ban all black people from it.That's taking action, not speaking. Thus this wouldn't be protected by the right to freedom of speech. It's not because something is dematerialized that it has anything to do with speech or thought.
The reason that Nazi Symbols are specially banned is because Germany has a law against it, and the forums fall under German jurisdiction. I don't think you understand: FSE can get banned or a fine if people post Nazi imagery on this forum. If you don't agree with it, go complain to the German government.So you don't actually agree with the rule itself. You believe that people should be allowed to post Nazi imagery and stuff like that on FSE? You believe that this German law is a problem?
So you don't actually agree with the rule itself. You believe that people should be allowed to post Nazi imagery and stuff like that on FSE? You believe that this German law is a problem?
I'd just like to point out that Svens profile pic is Frank Ribbery, a French Football player who converted to Islam in 2006.But he isn't a very good Muslim.
I'd just like to point out that Svens profile pic is Frank Ribbery, a French Football player who converted to Islam in 2006.What a fantastic point to make. After all, hating Islamic extremism is exactly the same as hating moderate Muslims, right? Of course, all those who believe in Allah are to be classified as one homogenous group from now on. Hate one, you hate all of them.
Then you're still free to say whatever you want. For the last time, freedom of speech is a right given by the state. It has nothing to do with private interactions between citizens, only between the state and a citizen.How can you say that you are still free to say whatever you want if your boss fires you? This isn't logical. The Truth is that in any society, including "liberal" capitalist societies, freedom of speech is restricted. In your example freedom of speech is restricted by the right of the capitalist to do whatever he wants. Something like that could be possible in a banana republic, but in civilized societies freedom of speech is also guaranteed by the law inside your workplace.
I'll try to simply it even more because this is obviously too hard for you to understand.
>Wear a T-shirt with 'I hate Jews'
>Walk on the street, get arrested by cops and persecuted = Freedom of Speech is restricted.
>Wear a T-shirt with 'I hate Jews'
>Go to your workplace, get fired by your boss = Freedom of Speech remains fully intact
I'd just like to point out that Svens profile pic is Frank Ribbery, a French Football player who converted to Islam in 2006.What a fantastic point to make. After all, hating Islamic extremism is exactly the same as hating moderate Muslims, right? Of course, all those who believe in Allah are to be classified as one homogenous group from now on. Hate one, you hate all of them.
Quote from: DuuringThen you're still free to say whatever you want. For the last time, freedom of speech is a right given by the state. It has nothing to do with private interactions between citizens, only between the state and a citizen.How can you say that you are still free to say whatever you want if your boss fires you? This isn't logical. The Truth is that in any society, including "liberal" capitalist societies, freedom of speech is restricted. In your example freedom of speech is restricted by the right of the capitalist to do whatever he wants. Something like that could be possible in a banana republic, but in civilized societies freedom of speech is also guaranteed by the law inside your workplace.
I'll try to simply it even more because this is obviously too hard for you to understand.
>Wear a T-shirt with 'I hate Jews'
>Walk on the street, get arrested by cops and persecuted = Freedom of Speech is restricted.
>Wear a T-shirt with 'I hate Jews'
>Go to your workplace, get fired by your boss = Freedom of Speech remains fully intact
Very simply put: you will get fired because your behaviour is not in line with your workplace's rules. The last thing your boss wants is a fuss about religion, since that will halt any labour done by his company/section/whayevs. Therefore, on the rules laid down by the company, you can get fired. ITt doesn't mean you have violated freedom of speech, as a boss.
Just because I am free to say what I want, doesn't mean others may not react upon it. What's next? People may not disagree with me? My boss may not fire me even if I walk around the office covered with swastikas, even if it's his company? You talk as if it's a general accepted truth that freedom of speech must be enforced in all corners of life, but it is not. It is your opinion, and not by any measure true in reality.You are either free or not free. When you are threatened because of your opinions, you are not free. That's an absolute truth. Thus you support the idea that freedom of speech can be limited by the sole will of your boss when you are at work. The conclusion is that you recognize that there can be some limitations to freedom of speech.
Your work has nothing to do with your political views.What? Work is part of your life. People are not machines, they talk to their colleagues, to their boss, even to customers, that's also part of the job of many people. And you might indeed express your political views at work. Moreover, your views on work itself are also part of your political views.
Very simply put: you will get fired because your behaviour is not in line with your workplace's rules. The last thing your boss wants is a fuss about religion, since that will halt any labour done by his company/section/whayevs. Therefore, on the rules laid down by the company, you can get fired. ITt doesn't mean you have violated freedom of speech, as a boss.The society that you describe there is clearly a fascist corporatist society. In a normal democratic society in which freedom is guaranteed, people could talk about religion if they want it and as long as the discussion remains courteous and doesn't conflict with the job itself. And moreover you can't just fire someone because he did something that wasn't "in line" with the rules, unless he seriously broke an important rule.
Hue, lets create butthurt island for people who cant take a joke
I'd just like to point out that Svens profile pic is Frank Ribbery, a French Football player who converted to Islam in 2006.
Who's the retard now?
As if i didn't know that... (His wiki page is linked in my sig...)
I've been to Allianz once, going there again in March. Is it now a problem to like muslims or does denouncing extremism mean i hate all muslims (or joking about it)? If i did i'd feel quite dumb because i have many muslim friends.
I tink you're brety domb m8 (+who are you even)QuoteIs the death of all the Slavs an excuse to forbid speech that is anti-Slav or anti-Russian? Is the death of so many Romas an excuse to ban Gypsy-related jokes/anti-Roma speech? Is the death of so many homosexuals a reason to ban anti-homosexual speech? Is the death of so many communists a reason to ban anti-communist speech? Is the death of so many Poles a reason to ban anti-Polish speech? Is the death of so many Germans a reason to ban anti-German speech?Yes it is, except maybe for Communism which is a political idea.
Hue, lets create butthurt island for people who cant take a joke
Remember the guy named Johan that wrecked you on the Wehrmacht thread? Yeah that's me.Yeah that's him, k?
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I'd just like to point out that Svens profile pic is Frank Ribbery, a French Football player who converted to Islam in 2006.
Who's the retard now?
As if i didn't know that... (His wiki page is linked in my sig...)
I've been to Allianz once, going there again in March. Is it now a problem to like muslims or does denouncing extremism mean i hate all muslims (or joking about it)? If i did i'd feel quite dumb because i have many muslim friends.
I tink you're brety domb m8 (+who are you even)QuoteIs the death of all the Slavs an excuse to forbid speech that is anti-Slav or anti-Russian? Is the death of so many Romas an excuse to ban Gypsy-related jokes/anti-Roma speech? Is the death of so many homosexuals a reason to ban anti-homosexual speech? Is the death of so many communists a reason to ban anti-communist speech? Is the death of so many Poles a reason to ban anti-Polish speech? Is the death of so many Germans a reason to ban anti-German speech?Yes it is, except maybe for Communism which is a political idea.
Hue, lets create butthurt island for people who cant take a joke
Remember the guy named Johan that wrecked you on the Wehrmacht thread? Yeah that's me.
Jesus Christ, MaxLam you are beyond help. I'm done arguing with you here, as it's clear that you're so self absorbed that you are utterly incapable of understanding alternative viewpoints not coinciding with your own tunnel-vision outlook, and you're so misinformed on the basic nature of human rights that it's a wonder to me that you even support any rights of a free society at all.
I'm actually having trouble wrapping my mind around this one. Are there real people like this in real life? Are you an android, Max, programmed to say the most idiotic shit possible? Surely no human being could have these thoughts. My god.
He can't seem to understand that freedom of speech also means that the listeners can just say "fuck off I don't care". He might be the type of guy that argues with the prof for the whole class.You must be quite young to use such examples.
QuoteHe can't seem to understand that freedom of speech also means that the listeners can just say "fuck off I don't care". He might be the type of guy that argues with the prof for the whole class.You must be quite young to use such examples.
I'd just like to point out that Svens profile pic is Frank Ribbery, a French Football player who converted to Islam in 2006.
Who's the retard now?
As if i didn't know that... (His wiki page is linked in my sig...)
I've been to Allianz once, going there again in March. Is it now a problem to like muslims or does denouncing extremism mean i hate all muslims (or joking about it)? If i did i'd feel quite dumb because i have many muslim friends.
I tink you're brety domb m8 (+who are you even)QuoteIs the death of all the Slavs an excuse to forbid speech that is anti-Slav or anti-Russian? Is the death of so many Romas an excuse to ban Gypsy-related jokes/anti-Roma speech? Is the death of so many homosexuals a reason to ban anti-homosexual speech? Is the death of so many communists a reason to ban anti-communist speech? Is the death of so many Poles a reason to ban anti-Polish speech? Is the death of so many Germans a reason to ban anti-German speech?Yes it is, except maybe for Communism which is a political idea.
Hue, lets create butthurt island for people who cant take a joke
Remember the guy named Johan that wrecked you on the Wehrmacht thread? Yeah that's me.
Thought you were banned kiddo :)
Missed your hopeless attempts to pester me.
QuoteHe can't seem to understand that freedom of speech also means that the listeners can just say "fuck off I don't care". He might be the type of guy that argues with the prof for the whole class.You must be quite young to use such examples.
Missed you too hun.
Max graduated university already, pleb. He has a PhD in internet debate sciences and a Masters in Intellectual superiority. He is the epitome of the Enlightened Übermensch.Im sorry sir, I wont step out of line again. Please accept my apologies for our apparently "fascist" rhetoric, it is obviously inferior to MaxLam's sentimentalism and will never be spoken of again in this thread.
Comrade Kim is the only nice person there.
Oh, let me add, when you apply for a job, get accepted and sign a contract, you agree (by contract) that you will abide by workplace and company rules. So you basicly denounce your rights to whine about it when you feel like your feelings are hurt.You can't denounce your rights, that's not possible. If a contract wants you to denounce your rights, it has illegal clauses and thus you are not bound to the illegal clauses. Otherwise it's not a right. As I said some limitations to freedom of speech are of course possible. It's normal that you can't say whatever you want to, let's say, customers. And I never challenged this idea. You don't have an absolute right to say whatever you want. That's what I have been repeating since the beginning of this discussion.
But people get upset because I said that you shouldn't be allowed to say whatever you want about the Shoah, probably because some of them have fascist sympathies. I'm not trying to be rude, that's only my opinion. But people like Sven prefer to answer with personal attacks and insults, but I don't really care. As for Nipplestockings, well, I'm used to it anyway.
lemme teach u the basics:
1. you will never win an argument, these people have nothing to lose and don't give a shit
2. moral high ground makes you look like a massive turd
3. the only thing you can get out of these arguments is to vent insults at people you dont know
4. your thoughts dont matter to anyone but yourself here
5.taking this forum and it's discussions seriously is about as useful as a sandbox in a desert
17. borussia dortmund
If my thought doesn't "matter" why do you even bother answering? If one shouldn't take this forum seriously, why are you bothered by what I write? ::)
Oh, whatever.
Be reassured, I have much patience.
Be reassured, I have much patience.
QuoteHe can't seem to understand that freedom of speech also means that the listeners can just say "fuck off I don't care". He might be the type of guy that argues with the prof for the whole class.You must be quite young to use such examples.
lemme teach u the basics:
1. you will never win an argument, these people have nothing to lose and don't give a shit
2. moral high ground makes you look like a massive turd
3. the only thing you can get out of these arguments is to vent insults at people you dont know
4. your thoughts dont matter to anyone but yourself here
5.taking this forum and it's discussions seriously is about as useful as a sandbox in a desert
17. borussia dortmund
I also might add that every single argument on fse at this point is inherently personal, because most of us have all been here long enough to have argued over every single political point possible (check the political threads 1, 2, 3, and all of the spinoffs and topic specific threads, all with over 100 pages and most of which were locked by mods after things got out of hand), and so these arguments are now engaged in to prove the other party is retarded, not to actually convince people of your point or ideology. That's why you see so many personal insults here. Sure, we all actually do have political opinions, and our positions in these arguments do generally reflect these opinions (on occasion), but the manner in which we engage in these debates is in no way civil. Of course, political debates are civil at times, but generally only as a means to an end. As soon as it suits us to abandon this civility to call another forum member a drooling troglodyte, *poof!* it's all down the toilet.change my diaper you scantfuck before i do something personal to your feelings
In that sense FSE is like a nursing home. We're all old, cranky, and entertain our own petty rivalries that mean absolutely nothing because most of us will never meet each other in real life. But it's our nursing home. And we'll be here right til the end, whenever that is. So many either sit down and join the bingo, or gittttt out.
I apologize to my friends and family for making this thread. Anyways ded thread because of lack of violence in France. God Bless America.
In that sense FSE is like a nursing home. We're all old, cranky, and entertain our own petty rivalries that mean absolutely nothing because most of us will never meet each other in real life. But it's our nursing home. And we'll be here right til the end, whenever that is.
I apologize to my friends and family for making this thread. Anyways ded thread because of lack of violence in France. God Bless America.God bless Durkastan
bruh u haven't been around this forum long enoughI tried to argue with atheists on the religion thread
lemme teach u the basics:
1. you will never win an argument, these people have nothing to lose and don't give a shit
2. moral high ground makes you look like a massive turd
3. the only thing you can get out of these arguments is to vent insults at people you dont know
4. your thoughts dont matter to anyone but yourself here
5.taking this forum and it's discussions seriously is about as useful as a sandbox in a desert
17. borussia dortmund
I never even dared to open it.bruh u haven't been around this forum long enoughI tried to argue with atheists on the religion thread
lemme teach u the basics:
1. you will never win an argument, these people have nothing to lose and don't give a shit
2. moral high ground makes you look like a massive turd
3. the only thing you can get out of these arguments is to vent insults at people you dont know
4. your thoughts dont matter to anyone but yourself here
5.taking this forum and it's discussions seriously is about as useful as a sandbox in a desert
17. borussia dortmund
Biggest mistake FSE