Low-mid Tournament [12th of March]

[tommyxd]

mm is lmb simulator, for me atleast

[Ceedoy]

You think too highly of WBMM, WBMM is literally made for low-mid tier players, which is why they're the ones who usually play it with some minor exceptions. There's no team chemistry, just a randomfest and doesn't correspond to actual GFs in a lot of ways. No one is actually 'trying' on MM, just running around clicking usually

When I joined Warband Matchmaking , as you say "just to run around, press buttons, kill time and have fun" - I was threatened to get banned for trolling, although I was just playing for fun. For this reason, I can no longer go in there and have fun and play in a "relaxed state" - otherwise I will be blocked. Therefore, your argument is irrelevant.
As for Matchmaking itself: everything is clear and transparent here. If a player is really weak, plays badly - I doubt that he will have high ratings, kills, damage.
And vice versa: if a player is good and really strong, he will have good scores.
Would you call strong Matchmaking players bad? Do you think that players who have 1400-1600+ ratings, 1.00+ kill/death ratio and around 700-800+ damage are bad players? But players with the same stats were present in the tournament today. It's not the first time they've "slaughtered the newbies". Which they do in Matchmaking . Why they were allowed to enter the tournament - I do not know .
Apparently, the organizers felt that their presence will not affect the overall balance . Wrong.
Prizes went to teams where each had a strong line-up of players either from the first league, or just really powerful players in Matchmaking.
1. Winx - BlueWinx and Tommy
2. SF1 - Aras, Maskmann and Nedim
3. Friends - half of the Animals team . CatAstrophe , Coco , Ronaldinho , Bird with Emojis , and others.
The winning team has players who are three levels above any other player in the tournament.
The team that didn't have a single player from the first league - took only fourth place - RF.
Think about it.


P.S. Dude , I've been playing at a low level for a very long time , with weak players , against weak teams . Do you really think I don't know who's playing, who's stronger and so on? You are mistaken.
I have played , played enough against weak teams , weak players to have an idea of who plays , who is weaker and who is stronger , more than almost anyone here.

[Ceedoy]

I organised my own beginners' tournament in the past. We had about thirty teams in a couple of days.
There were very strict entry conditions. I had to ban a lot of players to make the tournament happen.
Despite poor organization from me and a lot of mistakes, failures, I tried not to allow mega strong lineups, mega strong players and not balanced teams.
All the more, there was a grid with "Double Elimination" So that even relegated teams had chances.
From the beginning, the tournament was called "For Beginners". But then it had to be renamed.



https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?topic=48094.0

[LEVIS]

[Miloradovich]

Name one player from any of the teams that doesn't fit into either mid or low level cathegories. People always trynna stack and shit, but I wouldn't say there was a single player in the entire tournament that was above mid-level, (with the exception of our little guest in renaissance...).

Easy.
To prove my point to you, I must first explain who the First League teams are. They are teams that play at the highest level and usually have the best players. The First League teams are: Animals , NSS , Titans , Renessainse and so on. The First League teams are the strongest teams and players in the game. League One teams can compete with each other, and will be at about the same level, when in turn there are weaker teams. Any team in League One will be stronger than any team in League Two, and so on. The teams from the first league play against the same strongest teams every day, playing in the strongest and best tournaments. Virtually any player from any team in League One is not in itself a lower or middle class player.
In this tournament we have several players from the top division, from the best teams. How they were allowed into the tournament, and allowed to play at all - I have no idea. Everyone, for some reason, paid attention to Blitzkrieg, but the fact that almost every team had a conditional "Blitzkrieg" - no one paid attention.
Of the teams in League One, this tournament was attended by :
- Coco , Ronaldinho , Stoiki - from "Animals".
- Nedim , Aras , Maskmann - from the NSS.
- Miloradovic from Infinity.
- Bird from "Emojis"
And others.
There are many more examples.


The real teams, with low- or mid-level players were at :
Nr.59
Nr.13
SF2
Invalids
SubV
13pp.
Assassins
All other teams, except for the ones I just wrote above, had players from top teams, which is not fair to the other teams. The presence of strong players in teams, in a tournament for weak players - makes the teams and the tournament itself unbalanced.


Tommy, already tried to make a tournament for beginners. Except that in this tournament everyone was registered. Players from the best squads, the best teams of the highest level and skill class.
It was not surprising to find out that the tournament designed "for beginners" was won by a team from the first league.

After bodya the L1 players you mention are all broken up in L1 axaxaxa

[RUS_Flusha90]

fucking cringelords holy shit

You complained to me daily about how overrated and bad players were and how you should be in Chucksters top 30, you aint no saint boi

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So, take fietta - player in league 1 and the team RT, this "player 1" league , he lose in individual skills of many players in the high 2 tier and then what? we should throw everyone in league 1? If you do not know what makes up a team and players in it ( u dont know )  - don't write your bullshit.

What does this even mean

with respect, you have stack syndrome or rather your team and in such circumstances my words are the most likely to be true   

I think you're deluded and don't use me as an example again, I've been farming top teams more than you've been farming bots on tropical paradise

have no life no friends and no gf,  can a man who traded it all in for nw one be wrong about that? since you edited your post, Ill do the same
P.S. I won more duels than you scored enemies on gfs

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Who cares about duels in 2023?

moy dorogoy polak with people like me, there is always a way to find out that someone somewhere is better than someone else
P.S. me and zeyden have been figuring this out since 2021

GFs and Duels are different cake

yo Im not arguing thats true, but we are not talking about that now , far from it, I just said about the stack syndrome nothing more. You are a relatively good player and can kill on the gf but i was talking about individual skill and that is something else entirely 

[Miloradovich]

You think too highly of WBMM, WBMM is literally made for low-mid tier players, which is why they're the ones who usually play it with some minor exceptions. There's no team chemistry, just a randomfest and doesn't correspond to actual GFs in a lot of ways. No one is actually 'trying' on MM, just running around clicking usually

When I joined Warband Matchmaking , as you say "just to run around, press buttons, kill time and have fun" - I was threatened to get banned for trolling, although I was just playing for fun. For this reason, I can no longer go in there and have fun and play in a "relaxed state" - otherwise I will be blocked. Therefore, your argument is irrelevant.
As for Matchmaking itself: everything is clear and transparent here. If a player is really weak, plays badly - I doubt that he will have high ratings, kills, damage.
And vice versa: if a player is good and really strong, he will have good scores.
Would you call strong Matchmaking players bad? Do you think that players who have 1400-1600+ ratings, 1.00+ kill/death ratio and around 700-800+ damage are bad players? But players with the same stats were present in the tournament today. It's not the first time they've "slaughtered the newbies". Which they do in Matchmaking . Why they were allowed to enter the tournament - I do not know .
Apparently, the organizers felt that their presence will not affect the overall balance . Wrong.
Prizes went to teams where each had a strong line-up of players either from the first league, or just really powerful players in Matchmaking.
1. Winx - BlueWinx and Tommy
2. SF1 - Aras, Maskmann and Nedim
3. Friends - half of the Animals team . CatAstrophe , Coco , Ronaldinho , Bird with Emojis , and others.
The winning team has players who are three levels above any other player in the tournament.
The team that didn't have a single player from the first league - took only fourth place - RF.
Think about it.


P.S. Dude , I've been playing at a low level for a very long time , with weak players , against weak teams . Do you really think I don't know who's playing, who's stronger and so on? You are mistaken.
I have played , played enough against weak teams , weak players to have an idea of who plays , who is weaker and who is stronger , more than almost anyone here.

WBMM is different from practices or bodya tournaments you can find players that suck in tournaments/pracs but on MM because MM you just have to spam like a retard and have good stats there are so many players in that case they can even be top 1 or top 25 but in tournaments they will be afraid of stab and will get torn apart every round.

[~NickCole~]

People think that Stoiki n00b is good at melee?!?!?!?!

[Witold]

You think too highly of WBMM, WBMM is literally made for low-mid tier players, which is why they're the ones who usually play it with some minor exceptions. There's no team chemistry, just a randomfest and doesn't correspond to actual GFs in a lot of ways. No one is actually 'trying' on MM, just running around clicking usually

When I joined Warband Matchmaking , as you say "just to run around, press buttons, kill time and have fun" - I was threatened to get banned for trolling, although I was just playing for fun. For this reason, I can no longer go in there and have fun and play in a "relaxed state" - otherwise I will be blocked. Therefore, your argument is irrelevant.
As for Matchmaking itself: everything is clear and transparent here. If a player is really weak, plays badly - I doubt that he will have high ratings, kills, damage.
And vice versa: if a player is good and really strong, he will have good scores.
Would you call strong Matchmaking players bad? Do you think that players who have 1400-1600+ ratings, 1.00+ kill/death ratio and around 700-800+ damage are bad players? But players with the same stats were present in the tournament today. It's not the first time they've "slaughtered the newbies". Which they do in Matchmaking . Why they were allowed to enter the tournament - I do not know .
Apparently, the organizers felt that their presence will not affect the overall balance . Wrong.
Prizes went to teams where each had a strong line-up of players either from the first league, or just really powerful players in Matchmaking.
1. Winx - BlueWinx and Tommy
2. SF1 - Aras, Maskmann and Nedim
3. Friends - half of the Animals team . CatAstrophe , Coco , Ronaldinho , Bird with Emojis , and others.
The winning team has players who are three levels above any other player in the tournament.
The team that didn't have a single player from the first league - took only fourth place - RF.
Think about it.


P.S. Dude , I've been playing at a low level for a very long time , with weak players , against weak teams . Do you really think I don't know who's playing, who's stronger and so on? You are mistaken.
I have played , played enough against weak teams , weak players to have an idea of who plays , who is weaker and who is stronger , more than almost anyone here.

WBMM is different from practices or bodya tournaments you can find players that suck in tournaments/pracs but on MM because MM you just have to spam like a retard and have good stats there are so many players in that case they can even be top 1 or top 25 but in tournaments they will be afraid of stab and will get torn apart every round.

like you ?

[tommyxd]

People think that Stoiki n00b is good at melee?!?!?!?!

I know right, god knows what they are smoking

[Plushka]

Holy fuck one more useless discussion about dead game tournament. Starting from nonsense, then including tons of 'arguments' pretending to be logical and then finishing with no any conclusion. Aren't you all tired of this? Guys, how many pull-ups are you able to do for 1 approach? What was the last time you talk to real woman out of the Internet? When was the last time you meet the sunrise? There is a reason to think about.

[R1bazZz]

[Tomppa]

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I definitely would not call any of those players above mid level.

I agree to a certain degree that the tourney was a bit unbalanced, since a few of the teams had players that were mid- or in the higher end of mid tier, while others had a mixture of mid to low level players, but all in all I personally think that, on an individual level, the players that were signed up for the tournament were all within the frames of mid-/low level.

It just begs the question, what is considered high level nowadays? So many of the top players have quit over the past year it might be time to set a different standard than the all-time list, since most of them don't play anymore and having that list as the destinction between high level players and the rest just removes about 10% (or less) of the current comp scene from participating in a mid/low level tournament.

I wrote about this above. It's not that difficult to find and identify high-level players.
1.
If you are a member of any team in League One, you will already be stronger than many players in League Two. This is because the teams in league one are playing more, competing, playing against similarly strong teams, and therefore gaining experience and skill.
2.
The same goes for low and middle level players. For example in the same - Warband Matchmaking client . I am sure that if a player is really low or medium level - it is unlikely he can and will achieve any success there. Conversely, if a player is really good, strong and plays at a good level, he will play well in tournaments, Matchmaking and for the regiment. Examples of such players who are members of strong teams , and have good strong stats and statistics in the same Matchmaking are : Ronaldinho , Coco ayala , Tommy , Bird , and others . We cannot call a player weak , or a low level player , if he is a member of one of the best group-fighting teams in Europe , and plays with high stats in Matchmaking.

bit cringe of some players that imo shouldn't even have been playing since they are way better then all of the players competing.

Im going to highlight two posts from two of my lads, which were a little frustrated because of the choice of players which got accepted. We didnt really have the problem that 1-2 individuals destroyed us, but its always frustrating for our unexperienced players (i dont refer to snowwi and krazy on this one) to get destroyed by players clearly out of their league cause they snuck themselves into this tournament just to farm palmares.

To be honest having a 1 or 2 little bit better teams really made it quite good, RF had a good challenge against those better teams and we had to try a bit better. even tho we lost those matches I feel like we didnt do bad at all and it was a real good challenge and experience that made the tourney a bit harder and better. I agree there where a few players who where maybe high mid tier, but I still didnt find it unbalanced. RF could have won against Winx or even SF but we also made quite some mistakes in our matches that costed us a lot of rounds

You would have a much better chance of winning if these teams such as SF1 , WinX - did not have players from : "Animals , NSS , and other teams, stronger than this tournament".
If WinX didn't have Tommy and BlueWinx, who alone can slaughter half the tournament - the chances would be much higher.
The same goes for Maskmann , Aras , Nedim . The three of them are a much stronger threat, as all three of them are League One players from a professional team - NSS, as opposed to all players and teams in the tournament.

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It literally is, because you have nothing that will back it up. The topic is purely subjective.

You're essentially just saying that every player in "League 1" teams are on the same level and thus better than the rest of the players. While I agree that that's the case with most of the players, there are still a big overlap in terms of individual skill, especially if you take the worse players in league one and the best in league two. What are category suits these players the best? Perhaps Mid Tier?

Feels like I have to state out the obvious here, but the players you listed are definitely not high tier players. And this was a tournament for MID and low level players. I mean honestly, while I would definitely place all of them as mid tier in the current scene, its essentially a joke that you refer to these as high tier players.

Matchmaking is a different story altogether, you have people who fuck around, you have people who try-hard and people who are utter garbage at the game. The majority of the people who are actually high tier don't play it on a regular basis or fuck around doing so, with less than a handful of exceptions. You can't be serious saying that anyone with an average damage of 600+ and 1 k/d ratio would be a high tier player when playing against the three kind of mm players listed above.

Spoiler

I organised my own beginners' tournament in the past. We had about thirty teams in a couple of days.
There were very strict entry conditions. I had to ban a lot of players to make the tournament happen.
Despite poor organization from me and a lot of mistakes, failures, I tried not to allow mega strong lineups, mega strong players and not balanced teams.
All the more, there was a grid with "Double Elimination" So that even relegated teams had chances.
From the beginning, the tournament was called "For Beginners". But then it had to be renamed.



https://www.fsegames.eu/forum/index.php?topic=48094.0

But did you ask Marxeil to use the template?

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[Phailur]

[BlitzkriegMBNW]

Idk who’s dumber, bodya or the people who argue with bodya