2016 US Presidential Elections (Now with politics!)

[Killington]

A better culture? Well, let's think about this, really. I think that you're being caught up in and confused in a 'chicken or the egg' problem.

The objectionable culture that is admittedly more prevalent among blacks in the US is that of gangs, and their influence on the male youth in particular. Well, this is not something that is unique to black people. Mafias and mobs exist in all forms among all races and all cultural backgrounds. So why are gangs so significant in black populations in the West, now?

Well, my stance is that it is because of historic and contemporary prejudice, and that the only inheritance for black families to pass down to their children is poverty. Why is that? Well, because the first blacks to come to the US came as slaves without any property or rights of their own. When they were finally able to become free citizens, they still had to deal with institutional apartheid, racism, and the poverty that comes from suddenly being released without having the education, opportunities or connections to find a good job.

Now, generations after black slavery was abolished, and even after civil rights movement, they still have high rates of poverty because black families were always discriminated against, and always had less opportunities than the general population would. This is the inheritance they pass to their children, and when those children are offered more cash than their parents ever earned in exchange for gunning someone down, or muling some drugs, it's hard to say no.

We have a gang problem because we have a class of people that have consistently throughout history been oppressed and kept down. We have a black gang problem, because those people were targeted because of the colour of their skin.

[Grantrithor]

I wonder why blacks are treated unfairly by the police? You speak of statistics: https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-43

Murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, blacks make up 49% of this despite being 12% of the population. Also 55% of robberies.

But these statistics are just racist I'm sure 

and white's make up 48% of those crimes not sure what you're getting at fam. Especially since you're comparing percentages like a retarded news caster or some Buzzfeed/Huffington post editor, the statistics show that there are only 8,341 murder arrest across the whole population and if it's implied that each arrest is a unique person, then using the given information on the population of america in 2011 (which is displayed on the page as estimated at 238,952,977 though I think that's 100 mill off), I calculated 0.003491% of the total population were arrested for murder, and that 0.001736% of the total population were black and arrested for murder.

Now using another set of data, populations stats for 2011 https://www.census.gov/popest/data/national/asrh/2011/tables/NC-EST2011-03.csv (it's a CSV file so if you've got matlab or python with math libraries you can use this data yourself to generate yourself some nice graphs) I can get the population of america and the population of blacks. With number crunching I find that 13.0368% of the population were black, which seems incriminating right? Not when you calculate what percentage of blacks commited murders, using the previous number for murders up above we find that in 2011 0.01031% of blacks were arrested for murders. wowza what a fucking number call FEMA we need to round up the blacks and exterminate them.

Now I know there are more numbers there right, there are more crimes than just murder, and I really really don't want to read what stupid retort you'll come up with if I ignore them, so let's get those statistics.

"13% of the population commited 28.4% of the total crimes" is another bit of data here. using the FBI page for how many crimes were committed, previously with murder arrest we were safe under the assumption that they were crimes committed by unique people because they can't be repeated in the same year due to things like life sentences, just for the sake of simplicity with the statistics we'll assume they're all unique. Therefore, 6.7018% of the black population were arrested in 2011. For whites, the number is 2.7189% of the white population were arrested in 2011. Therefore, the statistics are just numbers and there is an extremely low correlation between race and crime.

So in the end, statistics aren't racist, you just happen to be a mouth breather. It would do you well to go back to /pol/ or 8chan.

[MarshalKim]

Bad neighborhoods have higher crime rates. It has nothing to do with race.

[MarshalKim]

they're decent hard working people who think shit like Big Mamas House and Drake are garbage that ruin their communities.

You ever hear people say "music is life, music is my religion" etc. Well people constantly listening to these rappers are most definitely being heavily influenced by it, I just feel like if my community were in such a position I'd stop and think about that for a second rather than just dismissing it as racist.

[Nipplestockings]

[Gluk the Walrus]

How do new immigrants do better than people whose families have been in the US for 300 years? Well, to begin with I don't think that asians and indians are as routinely discriminated against as black people, and I don't think that white Americans tend to fear them nearly as much, though I could be wrong. And, well, there are success stories of people rising up out of communities run by gangs and escaping that kind of life.

The point about rap music is frankly ridiculous, I think. I listen to rock music and sometimes heavy metal, but I've never done drugs or gotten into a fight, never gotten in trouble with the law. Neither have any of my friends that love the same music I do. I'm not a fan of rap music, just musically it isn't my style. But, I don't see how it is any different from the blues or rock, venting frustration through lyrics. Maybe it has risen to prominence by being adopted by gang culture, but... frankly, so what?

There's a reasons Asians and Indians aren't looked at that way or feared. They have a better culture, that is my entire point.

And because YOU haven't, means others haven't? There's Christians that have never fed the poor in their entire lives, but that doesn't mean that Christianity isn't influencing them, whether they're real Christians or not.

edit: and yes I'm comparing music to a religion, because it's a huge part of people's lives. Most so-called Christians in the US aren't even really so

Dude, your views are so fucking warped. It's not so much about culture but as killinton explained, as poverty. Like holy shit, you really are brainwashed with conservative reactionary bullshit. Just the usual bill o'riely crap "oh the blacks all have the wrong values! They need to stop listening to that awful rap music and listen to some good christian music!" It's this kind of thinking that prevents any sort of meaningful change. Study after study have connected crime with poverty so to say that it has to do with rap music or their culture just makes you look like a fucking idiot. Seriously dude, if youre going to talk about something then at least know what it is that youre talking about.

Take some advice,
"Read nigga...read" - Immortal Technique

Btw, i listen to rap on occasion

[Locust]

you guys are trying to sound too smart

[DaMonkey]

[Dribble]

Not as many buzzwords as I would have expected.

Poverty is connected to increased crime, but it's not the sole factor. The Appalachian regions are some of the poorest regions in the United States, and while it's certainly not crime free, it's nowhere near that of places like Detroit. On top of that, the many crimes that do happen in these areas are normally property crimes as opposed to murder and the like.

This rap meme needs to stop, as it also isn't a sole factor in crime, but you're an imbecile if you think it's not a huge factor. Everything you listen to, watch, or read DOES influence you rather or not you want it to, and if something toxic relayed by these mediums is widely accepted as good by the peers of the community then the community will conform to it.

You're all also completely ignoring the singular biggest factor. Across all demographics families that are fragmented and broken lead to far more turmoil. Unfortunately, the black community has been hit the hardest by our amazing progressive society in this regard, but it hits everyone.

Btw, i listen to rap on occasion

Of course you do.

[UniversitasMetal]

I wonder why blacks are treated unfairly by the police? You speak of statistics: https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-43

Murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, blacks make up 49% of this despite being 12% of the population. Also 55% of robberies.

But these statistics are just racist I'm sure 

and white's make up 48% of those crimes not sure what you're getting at fam. Especially since you're comparing percentages like a retarded news caster or some Buzzfeed/Huffington post editor, the statistics show that there are only 8,341 murder arrest across the whole population and if it's implied that each arrest is a unique person, then using the given information on the population of america in 2011 (which is displayed on the page as estimated at 238,952,977 though I think that's 100 mill off), I calculated 0.003491% of the total population were arrested for murder, and that 0.001736% of the total population were black and arrested for murder.

Now using another set of data, populations stats for 2011 https://www.census.gov/popest/data/national/asrh/2011/tables/NC-EST2011-03.csv (it's a CSV file so if you've got matlab or python with math libraries you can use this data yourself to generate yourself some nice graphs) I can get the population of america and the population of blacks. With number crunching I find that 13.0368% of the population were black, which seems incriminating right? Not when you calculate what percentage of blacks commited murders, using the previous number for murders up above we find that in 2011 0.01031% of blacks were arrested for murders. wowza what a fucking number call FEMA we need to round up the blacks and exterminate them.

Now I know there are more numbers there right, there are more crimes than just murder, and I really really don't want to read what stupid retort you'll come up with if I ignore them, so let's get those statistics.

"13% of the population commited 28.4% of the total crimes" is another bit of data here. using the FBI page for how many crimes were committed, previously with murder arrest we were safe under the assumption that they were crimes committed by unique people because they can't be repeated in the same year due to things like life sentences, just for the sake of simplicity with the statistics we'll assume they're all unique. Therefore, 6.7018% of the black population were arrested in 2011. For whites, the number is 2.7189% of the white population were arrested in 2011. Therefore, the statistics are just numbers and there is an extremely low correlation between race and crime.

So in the end, statistics aren't racist, you just happen to be a mouth breather. It would do you well to go back to /pol/ or 8chan.

Here are the 10 most violently dangerous cities in the US’s black population percentage
1.) Detroit, Michigan: 82.7%
2.) New Orleans, Louisiana: 60.2%
3.) Newark, New Jersey: 52.4%
4.) St. Louis, Missouri: 47.9%
5.) Baltimore, Maryland: 63.3%
6.) Birmingham, Alabama: 73.4%
7.) Cincinnati, Ohio: 44.8%
8.) Oakland, California: 28.0%
9.) Baton Rouge Louisiana: 46.0%
10.) Kansas City, Missouri: 29.9%


Here are the top 10 safest cities in America's black population percentage
1.) Zionsville, Indiana: 1.2%
2.) Lake in the Hills, Illinois: 2%
3.) Bergenfield, New Jersey: 7.7%
4.) Sammamish, Washington: 1%
5.) Bella Vista, Arkansas: .7%
6.) Rancho Santa Margarita, California: 1.9%
7.) Franklin, Massachusetts: 1.4%
8.) Aliso Viejo, California: 2%
9.) Bartlett , Illinois: 2.3%
10.) Cheshire Village, Connecticut: 1.1%


NYC Murders by Race

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NYC Demographic Breakdown

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Murder rate and White population by City

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Murder rate and Black population by City

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"there is an extremely low correlation between race and crime"
Yeah, right. Disputing statistics will simply point to you being a knave.


Sources:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/12/highest-murder-rate-us-cities-2013_n_6145404.html
Highest crime rate cities:
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/29/2938000.html
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/22/22033.html
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/06/0653000.html
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/39/3915000.html
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/01/0107000.html
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/24/24510.html
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/29/29510.html
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/22/2255000.html
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/26/2622000.html
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/34/3451000.html

Safest cities:
http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/neighborhoods/crime-rates/top100safest/
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/18/1886372.html
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/17/1741183.html
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/34/3405170.html
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/53/5361115.html
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/05/0504840.html
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/06/0659587.html
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/25/25011.html
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/06/0600947.html
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/17/1704013.html
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/09/0914200.html
NYC Statistics:
http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_planning/enforcement_report_year_end_2014.pdf
City Crime data:
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/table-6

[Nipplestockings]

All the safest cities you listed are rich as hell and all the most dangerous ones are poor. Like I said earlier, crime rate evens out when you look at it from a class perspective. Poor people commit crimes relatively evenly across races. Rich people of all races commit violent crime at the same low rate as well. Minorities are more likely to be poor, and therefore more likely to commit violent crime. Many poor people simply cannot afford to follow the law. When your two options are either deal drugs or beg for money on the streets, most people will choose the one that gives them a regular income for food and shelter.

Comparing crime rates does not tell us anything that was not already obvious to us. We know that black people are statistically more likely to commit violent crime, but the real issue is figuring out why. And the reasons for it are not as simple as "durr dey stupid and violent lazy", as much as you'd love them to be. The world just doesn't work that way.

[Colonel Howe]

B-but how will our racial superiority be known? 

[UniversitasMetal]

All the safest cities you listed are rich as hell and all the most dangerous ones are poor. Like I said earlier, crime rate evens out when you look at it from a class perspective. Poor people commit crimes relatively evenly across races. Rich people of all races commit violent crime at the same low rate as well. Minorities are more likely to be poor, and therefore more likely to commit violent crime. Many poor people simply cannot afford to follow the law. When your two options are either deal drugs or beg for money on the streets, most people will choose the one that gives them a regular income for food and shelter.

Comparing crime rates does not tell us anything that was not already obvious to us. We know that black people are statistically more likely to commit violent crime, but the real issue is figuring out why. And the reasons for it are not as simple as "durr dey stupid and violent lazy", as much as you'd love them to be. The world just doesn't work that way.

Nothing you say even remotely refutes the argument that black people commit more crime. Also, that straw-man is a projection on your part. As I said, you either acknowledge the statistics, or you're a knave.

EDIT: Acknowledging the existence of the problem is one thing and Solving it is another. You are content labeling the messenger as a racist. I don't see how that's "solving" the problem.

[UniversitasMetal]

B-but how will our racial superiority be known? 

I believe the term for what you people are doing, as in justifying and normalizing crime committed by minorities is called "White Guilt"

EDIT: Nevermind, you people actually believe dead bodies suddenly return to life after you "look at it from a class perspective" I'll leave this conversation, oh btw HILLARY 2016

[Nipplestockings]

I'm not refuting your argument that black people commit more crime. Are you legitimately retarded or just blind?

[Killington]

Let's try to keep the insults down.

UniversitasMetal, please reread Nipplestockings' and my own posts, nowhere did either of us deny the statistics. On the contrary, we embraced them and tried to explain them.