North American Community Lists - NaCl [UPDATE 1.1: "Show Some Melee Competence"]

[KillerShark]

Can someone explain to me why everyone thinks this list is just based on dueling and ft7s?

Well tournamets don't really show how good of a player you are to someone else. Let's say Jackie faced Tammo and Tammo won, but in the finals Pinoy beat Tammo. Jackie could beat Pinoy, so if it wasn't for Tammo Jackie would have won the tournament. If that was in the first round someone could easily say "Wow. Jackie sucks dick because he lost in the first round", when really he could be the champion. Dueling in a ft7 shows how a person does against everyone's fighting style individually and can be applied to the community as a whole. Just my opinion.

But is groupfighting not important or something? I always thought groupfighting was way more important than dueling, since you know line battles are about groupfights and not just who can win the most duels.

I do think tournaments count for to much on this list. Like i probably wouldnt even be on here if it wasnt for my tourney win

Groupfighting definitely is an important thing, but it's hard to determine. If you are just an average player and you are on Jackie and Zzedd's team everytime then you would be ranked really high when you shouldn't be.

[BabyJesus]

Can someone explain to me why everyone thinks this list is just based on dueling and ft7s?

Well tournamets don't really show how good of a player you are to someone else. Let's say Jackie faced Tammo and Tammo won, but in the finals Pinoy beat Tammo. Jackie could beat Pinoy, so if it wasn't for Tammo Jackie would have won the tournament. If that was in the first round someone could easily say "Wow. Jackie sucks dick because he lost in the first round", when really he could be the champion. Dueling in a ft7 shows how a person does against everyone's fighting style individually and can be applied to the community as a whole. Just my opinion.

But is groupfighting not important or something? I always thought groupfighting was way more important than dueling, since you know line battles are about groupfights and not just who can win the most duels.

I do think tournaments count for to much on this list. Like i probably wouldnt even be on here if it wasnt for my tourney win

Groupfighting definitely is an important thing, but it's hard to determine. If you are just an average player and you are on Jackie and Zzedd's team everytime then you would be ranked really high when you shouldn't be.

If Tammo the JackieSlayer is on the other team then its not a forsure win

[Tammo]

Im the true American Hero, jackie is imported, im American Muscle, jackie is some girly bmw.






DasTammo

[Joseph4Lakers]

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NORTH AMERICAN RANKINGS

　
　
Ranking Criteria

Current Melee

Melee

These rankings are based on:

• Tournament/League Placement
• Tournament Impact (when on teams)
• First to 7 duels
• 1v1 Linebattle impact
• Success in the NW PUG System.

These criteria will only be looked at as far back as 6 months, and players should look at each other as if they just met them in regards to these rankings. As a note, success in groupfighting servers will not greatly increase your ranking other than for rare exceptions. There is too much variance in casual groupfighting. What really matters here is if you can show your skill in official settings.

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Current Regiments

Regiments

These rankings are based on:

• Tournament/League Placement
• Official 1v1s Victories
• Quality of 1v1 Opponents

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All Time Melee

Melee

These rankings are based on:

• Tournament/League Placement
• Tournament Impact (when on teams)
• First to 7 duels
• Quality of opposition faced
• Level of dominance
• Longevity of dominance
• 1v1 Linebattle impact
• Level of innovation in melee style

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All Time Leaders

Regiments

These rankings are based on:

• Tournament/League Placement
• Official 1v1 Victories
• Quality of 1v1 Opponents
• Level of dominance
• Longevity of dominance
• Level of innovation in tactics
• Ability to dominate without relying too heavily expert meleers

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Current Tournaments
Current Melee

Melee

NORTH AMERICAN DUEL LEAGUE TOURNAMENT SEASON 2
Gold - Maple
Silver - Godfried
Bronze - Puppytron
Results to be voided on April 21st, 2016

ULTIMATE GROUPFIGHTING TOURNAMENT
Gold - AsianP
Gold - Grimsight
Gold - Blood
Gold - RitZ
Gold - Xeroth
Gold - DrBYeBye
Gold - Alexander
Gold - DJOverJoy
Gold - Sean(sub)
Gold - Matthew(sub)
Silver - Fireboy
Silver - Achilles
Silver - AP0CALYPS3
Silver - Tammo
Silver - Maple
Silver - Herishey
Silver - Pinoy
Silver - Who
Silver - Puppytron(sub)
Silver - Emo(sub)
Results to be voided on July 23rd, 2016

NW 5v5 DRAFT GROUPFIGHTING TOURNAMENT
Gold - BabyJesus
Gold - Alexander
Gold - Saltyy
Gold - Emo
Gold - Andee
Silver - AsianP
Silver - Blood
Silver - PJ
Silver - RussianFury
Results to be voided on July 30th, 2016

TWITCH DUEL LEAGUE
Gold - JackieChan
Silver - AP0CALYPSE
Bronze - DJOverJoy/RitZ(If match is ever played)
Results to be voided on August 16th, 2016

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CURRENT MELEE __________________________________ Spoiler The is the list for current melee. Records will only be looked as far back as far as 6 months. 93 Alexander 93 Blood 93 Asian 93 JackieChan 92 Maple 92 Apocalypse 91 DjOverJoy 90 Pinoy 90 RussianFury 90 Godfried 89 Emo 89 RitZ 89 Tammo 89 Achilles 88 PJ 88 Puppytron 88 Rogelio 88 Kovy 88 Theodin 87 Saltyy 87 BillTheButcher 87 Maccle 87 Rex 87 FancyPants 86 Padre Suns 86 Blade 86 Fireboy 85 Xeroth 85 Grimsight 85 Who 85 Sleek 84 BabyJesus 84 Andee 84 Dukers 84 Jorge 84 Windflower 83 John Sanders 83 Mitchell 83 Min 83 Anthony 83 Nico 83 Alcaro 83 Dante Honorable Mentions -6969 Gman -8008 Chantakey -420420 Superbad [close]

CURRENT REGIMENTS __________________________________ Spoiler coming soon [close]

ALL TIME MELEE __________________________________ Spoiler 96 Tammo (12th) 96 Jackie Chan (12th,71st) 96 Lithios (9y) 94 AsianP (3eVolt,79th) 94 Havoc (2ndQF) 94 RitZ (12th,3eVolt) 94 Point Blank (9y) 93 Coconut (12th) 91 Breaches (12th) 91 AP0CALYPS3 (9y,3eVolt,12th) 90 Moose (Pub) 90 skinny (71st) 90 Ghost (12th) 90 Zzehth (12th,71st) 90 Colonys22 (7y,12th) 89 Achilles (71st) 89 SilentMan (Pub,63e) 89 Mang (Pub) 88 Zorkoth (12th) 88 Tico (12th) 88 Pinoy (9y) 87 EmoCelestia (Pub?) 87 Maple (3eVolt) 87 Slick (9y) 87 Vortex (15e) 87 Mathias (12th) 87 Who- (12th) 87 Puppytron (Pub) 87 Scopes (9y) 87 DarthJezus (9y) 87 Botvinnik (7thRFG) 87 Monty (12th,3eVolt) 86 Psycho (MarinsGarde) 86 Alexander (5th) 86 Kovy (Pub,58e) 86 Sleek (9y) 86 PaperSalad (9y) 86 Rere (15e,9y) 86 Freddy Kruger (12th) 86 Hellomoto (Ask Mack) 86 Serpenta (Pub) 86 Speirs (15e) Done by Coconut and Tammo: 96 | Tammo (12th) Groupfighting and 1v1 Accomplishments Spoiler 1v1 Accomplishments: 1st North American 1v1 Tournament Bracket August 19, 2012 1st Place: Tammo 2nd North American 1v1 Tournament [close] 96 | Jackie Chan (12th,71st) Spoiler 3rd North American 1v1 Tournament Bracket September 29, 2013 1st Place: JackieChan Honorable Duel mentions: Finals: JackieChan 7-5 PointBlank Semi Finals: Jackie 4-2 Zzehth Quarter Finals Jackie 4-3 Havoc Jackie 4-1 Tico 4th North American 1v1 Tournament November 12, 2013 Second League: 1st Place: JackieChan [close] 96 | Lithios (9y) Spoiler 2nd North American 1v1 Tournament Bracket April 13, 2013 3rd Place: Lithios Honorable Duel mentions: Quarter Finals: Lithios 7-3 Tammo Semi-Finals: Lithios 5-7 Ghost [close] [close]

ALL TIME LEADERS __________________________________ Spoiler Elite Tier 92 (63e) Karth/Offizer 92 (2ndQF/12thES) Tico/Breaches 91 (3eVolt/79th) AsianP 90 (3eVolt) Grimsight High Tier 88 (1stFKI) Millander 88 (71st) CheeseyPants 86 (75th) Alexander/Chantakey 86 (58e) Lawbringer 84 (54th) Stox 82 (various) Ody 80 (9y) Darth/Apoc 80 (12e) DrByeBye Medium Tier 78 (40th) Locust 78 (PSG)KnightOfStJohn 78 (Nr37) Waste 77 (4th) Nico 77 (3DM) FancyPants 76 (PSG)Windflower 76 (various) Wardop 76 (111e) Marceaux 76 (8th) Jorge 74 (27th) Newkirk 74 (22e) Praetorian 74 (79th) Armystrong Reasoning Karth/Offizer They are not the greatest regiment of all time in terms of skill, but I'd say their leaders might be. Even with low melee skill the 63e can dominate other regiments as the leaders pretty excellent tactically. [close] Tico/Breaches These guys held the spot of best regiment for at least 3 years straight. However they always have had some of the best meleers in the game, so we don't know what the regiment might have been like with less skilled melee. Because of that they are slightly below Karth/Offizer. [close] AsianP Old school leader known universally, every regiment he leads will compete for top 3 regiments, and has held top 1 most notably during the 79th days. Has always had some of the best melee players in the game, so like Tico+Breaches, I put Asian below Karth. [close] Grimsight Lead only contending regiment against the 12th during their reign. Pioneered some new tactics that you see used in every 1v1 these days. [close] CheeseyPants Cheesey lead his regiment to be the top regiment for a short period of time and won Season 3 NWL. However things slowed down after some key melee players went inactive/left. [close] Lawbringer Lawbringer created a very serious contending regiment, springing up almost out of no where. They did well under his leadership, I would note that they had some very very good melee players to rely on however (Many of their regulars came from a native clan) [close] Alexander Won the TNWL with some great leading. Would have to see them reign longer to be higher on this list though. [close] Stox Stox wasn't very interested in competitive linebattle, it was more Locust & DrBYeByes doing. Regardless they did quite well in 1v1s. Note that they did have a huge amount of players to choose from for their 1v1s. [close] Millander One of the great leaders of the early days of NW, and lead the guys who created the 9y. However there wasn't as much of a focus on 1v1s so we can't know how he would do these days. [close] Ody Through all the hate he gets, hes a decent leader. Crutched on melee during some periods though. [close] [close] [close]

ALL TIME CAVALRY __________________________________ Spoiler 96 | Griffith 96 | Thunderstormer 95 | Bear 95 | IBsocal 95 | DeLaitre 94 | Cthulhu 94 | Kozak 94 | Lars 94 | TJDietz 94 | Zach Attack 93 | Smithy 93 | Leaf 93 | Will 93 | Lurvy 93 | Benvolio 92 | Warsaw 92 | Tinnisenn 92 | Pip 92 | Lee 92 | Procne 92 | AfroAdam 91 | Hippie 91 | Big Yorkee 91 | Sheep Thief 91 | Wandering Hands 90 | Loc 90 | Andrei 90 | MostInterestingMan 90 | Public 90 | Pepper 90 | Pickett 90 | Wolf 89 | Jag 89 | Yooper 89 | Superbad 89 | Fireboy 89 | Polish Progidy 89 | Tywin 89 | Squid 89 | Japan 89 | Curtis Shuttler 89 | Akusei 88 | Disgrntld 88 | 5hine 88 | Savs 88 | Drewser 88 | Sandford 88 | Kyler Stern 88 | Jeffery 88 | Ifrit 88 | Getty 88 | Asston 87 | Cubicon 87 | Brandon 87 | Chinatown 87 | Offizer 87 | Rip 87 | Baker 86 | Zortron 86 | LES IS MORE 86 | Shungqar 85 | Sethja 85 | Hailtothechi 85 | Chris P. Bacon 84 | Person 84 | Bowen 84 | Thyrus 84 | SillyWilly 83 | Jamz 83 | Blakey [close]

This list is all officially bullshit. Grimsight is known for being biased and whats the point of having a damn list if it won't get updated? I'm going to say it straight up. Half of these dudes on this list will get beat on any given day, and even the "TOP" guys you got, they are only good sometimes but not consistent. Don't make a list if you won't update it and if you're biased. I thought if I beat the meleers ranked higher than me, I'd get moved up. But obviously this list is rigged based on who kisses ass the most to certain people. People can say what they want, but the results don't lie. All the top meleers know what's up and who's REALLY the best and who isn't. I'm not #1 on this list but I know for sure, I'm not a 83. Here are the results to prove that.

Results:


Dante vs 1stIB_Lt_Anthony
Dante wins 7-1
Location: NA Duel 1/12/16

Dante vs 12e_Sdt_Kristine
2/8/16
Dante wins 7-0 Location: West Coast Duel

Dante vs 1stIB_Lt_Anthony
2/8/16
Dante wins 7-1 Location: NA Duel

Dante vs 1stRM_Col_George_V
2/16/16
Dante wins 7-2 Location: NA Duel (Dante actually beat George 8-2 but gave a round away when it was 4-1 and restarted the 4-1 because George had a ping spike)

Dante vs FancyPants
2/19/16
Dante wins 7-4 Location: NA Duel

Dante vs Dukers
2/19/16
Dante wins 7-1 Location: NA Duel

Anthony is an 83 and if I'm ranked the same as him, its just disrespectful because look at the results. Fancypants is ranked really high and I beat him too, along with Dukers. (Shoutout to Fancypants and Dukers though, because there are alot of pussies in this game, and they're not one of em. They showed up and dueled)

Facts are facts. Update the damn list, and if you aren't going to do that, then delete it.

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First, I recommend you read the ranking criteria. Second, I don't bump people up on the rankings as soon as they ask me to. I'll take what you say into consideration when I do updates - which are done in bulk semi-frequently (2-4 weeks). I can't make changes every other day, it would be too volatile.
Also, in the words of our lord and savior RitZ: crying more may help. ^{(probably not though, you can leave your angsty rage out of the thread, i'm not listening to it. showing me your results is all that you have to do)}

Listen whatever ranking criteria you got or whatever thing you got going on is officially bullshit. Let me tell you what you SHOULD do because I'm right in this. Hear me out. Excuse my arrogance but I'm about to help the whole NW community with this.

1. Tournaments are important. We all know that. Groupfighting is also important. There are some players like Jackie that could join any groupfighting team, and automatically make them better and clutch win it. There are other players who are great duelists, but choke in Groupfights. There are also players that are great at groupfighting, but can't duel. None of this is more important than the other, they all require a unique amount of skill.

Now what I'm saying is this: Let's say Jackie won the recent Tournament, he should be #1 on the list, and the highest ranked. Now let's say that Apoc for example has an official duel with Jackie recently, and Apoc wins 7-5. Since Jackie is still the tournament winner, his ranking won't go down by much or even at all, but Apoc would either 1. Stay in the elite top 3 or move up to #2. If Apoc wins again, than Currently he is #1 etc.

If players in NW know that they can get MOVED UP or DOWN in the rankings based on Official Duels, it'll make the whole community much more competitive and cause everyone to sharpen their skills. We'll also know how to gauge who is the favorite leading up to tournaments, based on official duel results. So this will encourage players in the 83-88 rating to duel among each other, and try to clean out their divisions, and then try to challenge higher ranks. This is going to be great for everyone in the community because: More duels = we really know who's the best.

We'll elect one person to be the one who receives the Official Duel Results every week on a select date. That information will be sent to Grimsight, and Grim can just take a brief look at who beat who, on what date and just shift the rankings. That can happen Once every 2 weeks. Since you made the list, it's your responsibility to update it, and trust me we're not asking for much.

So think of Official Duels the trials to get to the Tournament (World Cup). Based on recent official duel results we can also have people who are just fighting bums to duel top players to see if they're worthy of even getting into the tournaments. So we'll end up with 10-12 really elite players who have had a shit ton of official duels and are all hungry to win, instead of 20 players who haven't trained and are just there for the recognition, even if they lose. (Cough cough Anthony)

Groupfighting results will be posted based on PUGs and just performance overall on groupfighting servers. You can take screenshots of major accomplishments, let's say that it's you, against a stacked team of elite meleers and you go 20-2, you can report that. So equal emphasis will be given for groupfights as well.

So what I'm asking is going to make NW better overall, I don't know why many people do not see that. Step back for a moment and realize I'm doing what everyone wants.

People were arguing with you for hours whether if Blood is a 93? It shouldn't be up to you, since you aren't a top 5 meleer but at the same time, it shouldn't go up to some people who just want to make themselves feel better by being the only ones in the 93 slot.

What will solve that is recent Groupfighting results, and recent official duel results. "Oh wait he's a 93 but lost 7-2 to a 88 and then lost 3 more duels 7-3 against 93's? Yeah he's going down. etc"

As a community we need to provide evidence if we want people to go up or down. But Grimsight shouldn't be the only factor deciding because he is slightly biased.

So pretty much, we'll elect 1 person to get Official Duel Results, another person to get Official Groupfighting Results, and we all know the Tournament Results.

These 2 People can start a thread and choose a specific date where everyone posts their Official Duel Results/Groupfighting Results ONLY, no comments or any other shit that ruins the thread. These people then relay the message to Grimsight with the results and then Grim updates it once every 2 weeks.

You're welcome NW.

[BabyJesus]

Great suggestion Dante. You should go make that list. And make sure it's unbiased, because we all know it's possible for someone to make an unbiased list.

I think people like Dante take these lists to seriously....

[Joseph4Lakers]

Great suggestion Dante. You should go make that list. And make sure it's unbiased, because we all know it's possible for someone to make an unbiased list.

I think people like Dante take these lists to seriously....

You could've actually took what I said seriously and step back for a moment and realize it'd have benefited you. Instead you used sarcasm and acted as if what I'm saying is impossible to do so keep on being an underachiever dude. I think everyone takes these lists seriously because of the way it is presented. It looks as if it's legit but it's really not and many people were wronged when this list was made. The fact that someone won't update it, doesn't help. Look at my post again, it's really detailed.

[Min]

Everyone below Min should be removed from the list.

k

[BabyJesus]

Great suggestion Dante. You should go make that list. And make sure it's unbiased, because we all know it's possible for someone to make an unbiased list.

I think people like Dante take these lists to seriously....

You could've actually took what I said seriously and step back for a moment and realize it'd have benefited you. Instead you used sarcasm and acted as if what I'm saying is impossible to do so keep on being an underachiever dude. I think everyone takes these lists seriously because of the way it is presented. It looks as if it's legit but it's really not and many people were wronged when this list was made. The fact that someone won't update it, doesn't help. Look at my post again, it's really detailed.

Well sorry but your idea is stupid. It puts too much emphasize on 1 duel and that one random time on NAGF when someone did good. You see, I think your idea will have the opposite effect. People arent going to want to duel if they have a chance of losing and lowering their ranking. I bet you didnt think about that one did you? 

And you obviously know nothing about tournaments. Tournaments are privately hosted. That means that if i want to go host a tournament and allow everyone to play, I could and you cant stop me. If you want to make a tournament that only has the "good" players, then go for it. Good luck getting them all to show up tho.

Btw the criteria grimsight used is on the first page. But you probably didnt look at that because it is beneath you.

#AllHailTeamAlphaMale

[Joseph4Lakers]

Great suggestion Dante. You should go make that list. And make sure it's unbiased, because we all know it's possible for someone to make an unbiased list.

I think people like Dante take these lists to seriously....

You could've actually took what I said seriously and step back for a moment and realize it'd have benefited you. Instead you used sarcasm and acted as if what I'm saying is impossible to do so keep on being an underachiever dude. I think everyone takes these lists seriously because of the way it is presented. It looks as if it's legit but it's really not and many people were wronged when this list was made. The fact that someone won't update it, doesn't help. Look at my post again, it's really detailed.

Well sorry but your idea is stupid. It puts too much emphasize on 1 duel and that one random time on NAGF when someone did good. You see, I think your idea will have the opposite effect. People arent going to want to duel if they have a chance of losing and lowering their ranking. I bet you didnt think about that one did you? 

And you obviously know nothing about tournaments. Tournaments are privately hosted. That means that if i want to go host a tournament and allow everyone to play, I could and you cant stop me. If you want to make a tournament that only has the "good" players, then go for it. Good luck getting them all to show up tho.

Btw the criteria grimsight used is on the first page. But you probably didnt look at that because it is beneath you.

#AllHailTeamAlphaMale

I already did look at the criteria, it's obviously on the first page no shit dude. I was talking about invitation only tournaments but we can have an open tournament too, that's not that big of a deal? Lol?

It doesn't put emphasis on 1 duel, you didn't read what I wrote. It puts emphasis on MANY duels with top quality opposition. If you actually read my post, you'd know that. You need to have many duels against elite competition or people in your rankings or above it to move up or down.

Now you said some people aren't going to duel because their rankings will go lower? Those people shouldn't be ranked then. That's being a coward and shows that you aren't really the best if you won't play the best or the elite. Plus in the forums we'll have a thread where we have certain people duel certain people if they want to move up, and the person that is highly ranked has a MANDATORY challenger to keep his rank. That keeps everyone sharp and having tons of duels in general for practice so they don't lose, thus causing competitions to be more competitive than ever before.

For example someone is a 90, and he beats everyone in the 90- below division 7-2, at least the people who are at the top of those divisions. He then wants to fight the guy that's a 91. If the guy who is 91 hasn't dueled anyone in his division or anyone beneath/higher than him and he's just hogging that rank, he'll have a mandatory duel against the 90 person if he wants to be on the list or ranked as a 91. If he wins, then he stays as a 91, if he loses, he moves down, but not by much. If he gets his ass kicked 7-1, then currently he's not a 91 but he might become a 91 2-4 weeks later if he wins a ton of duels.

How is this not good? You want to be on the list, man up and duel people.

BTW I don't know much about groupfighting and don't give a fuck about NAGF results or any of that shit because at the end of the day, tournaments aren't groupfights, they're Ft7's.

And Groupfighting is the most corrupt shit ever anyways because you guys join stacked teams, and don't make the case for Tammo vs Jackie, because both teams are stacked regardless, no one else in NW has a chance.

Groupfighting should only be 5-10 People in your own regiment against other regiments, not handpicked teams. This will 1. Cause people to want to join regiments so they can participate in such events. 2. Stop the cherry picking, and people like you from even winning a GF because you won't be able to just ride your teams success when you didn't get any kills. 3. Makes regiments seek out top talent.

You're welcome NW!

[Andee]

I've scimmed all of your essays and it seems like your upset because your random pick up duels don't count. Is that right?

[Rutger Müller]

can we all just remember that this is just a list.. it doesn't dictate how good you are or how good you can be. its just something Grim put together for fun and I think overall it has benefited the community by bringing a few old players back and adding some nice banter to enjoy.

[Tammo]

Oh my

[Joseph4Lakers]

I've scimmed all of your essays and it seems like your upset because your random pick up duels don't count. Is that right?

I think most of the NW community is so ignorant they don't read anything or realize they will benefit by what I'm saying. I'm not upset about anything, I'm just saying how the list would be BETTER the way I'm suggesting it. My random pick up duels don't count? LOL Why are you guys always trying to bring down the accomplishments of people in Official Ft7's, thanks for showing the NW community how biased you are and how much of a rep whore you are.

This is the problem with the NW community, you guys are all blinded with ignorance. Even if I beat Kovyjack in a official Ft7, beat Dj in a official ft7 etc, people will take credit away and call it a fluke, or say it's a random duel etc.

Damn so many ignorant people

[Andee]

I've scimmed all of your essays and it seems like your upset because your random pick up duels don't count. Is that right?

I think most of the NW community is so ignorant they don't read anything or realize they will benefit by what I'm saying. I'm not upset about anything, I'm just saying how the list would be BETTER the way I'm suggesting it. My random pick up duels don't count? LOL Why are you guys always trying to bring down the accomplishments of people in Official Ft7's, thanks for showing the NW community how biased you are and how much of a rep whore you are.

This is the problem with the NW community, you guys are all blinded with ignorance. Even if I beat Kovyjack in a official Ft7, beat Dj in a official ft7 etc, people will take credit away and call it a fluke, or say it's a random duel etc.

Damn so many ignorant people

I understand why you think it's a big deal, but this list is honestly not worth bitching about. I'm below Grim where I know for a fact, I could shit on Grim's grandma with my dick tied behind my back but I don't give a fuck. Because its a list that's made by the community for fun. You're not going to get anything if you're high or low on the list.

[Theodin]

Groupfighting doesn't matter? Lol.
You obviously don't have a good knowledge about the game if you think that.