Flying Squirrel Entertainment

The Lounge => Off Topic => Topic started by: Marceaux on July 02, 2019, 12:02:36 am

Title: Antifa
Post by: Marceaux on July 02, 2019, 12:02:36 am
Am i the only one that wants to personally order a firing squad to mow these sons of bitches down?
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Godsworn Alexiel on July 02, 2019, 12:16:52 am
Their free speech is protected under the first amendment to comment however they wish about politics or the current system. Just leave the law to whoever actually takes illegal actions as a means for political change. Otherwise you are honestly being a cry baby
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Marceaux on July 02, 2019, 12:23:28 am
Their free speech is protected under the first amendment to comment however they wish about politics or the current system. Just leave the law to whoever actually takes illegal actions as a means for political change. Otherwise you are honestly being a cry baby

I have no problem with free speech and peaceful protest and i do not care what they want to TALK about. But when you storm the streets dressed as militants and use force on innocents. You then lose the right be considered a protester and you become a terrorist and criminal. And how can you defend Antifa members and then call people who disagree with their actions cry babys? Let me guess you support these fucking neanderthals?
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Godsworn Alexiel on July 02, 2019, 12:29:53 am
Antifa is a loose collection of groups with similar ideologies who have no centralized organization or directive

Many antifa groups just talk and inform

Your idea of it is essentially the same thing as thinking that the manosphere has a leader and organized agenda

Also nowhere did I say I support them but you are essentially proclaiming that they ought to be slain for a portion of them committing crimes which often would not even invoke the death penalty
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Ambiguous on July 02, 2019, 12:42:43 am
Antifa is a loose collection of groups with similar ideologies who have no centralized organization or directive

Many antifa groups just talk and inform

Your idea of it is essentially the same thing as thinking that the manosphere has a leader and organized agenda

Also nowhere did I say I support them but you are essentially proclaiming that they ought to be slain for a portion of them committing crimes which often would not even invoke the death penalty
commie scum
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Ry@n on July 02, 2019, 12:44:15 am
Antifa is a loose collection of groups with similar ideologies who have no centralized organization or directive

Many antifa groups just talk and inform

Your idea of it is essentially the same thing as thinking that the manosphere has a leader and organized agenda

Also nowhere did I say I support them but you are essentially proclaiming that they ought to be slain for a portion of them committing crimes which often would not even invoke the death penalty
Stfu commie, death to antifa scum
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Godsworn Alexiel on July 02, 2019, 12:46:28 am
Ok retards lol

Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Kore on July 02, 2019, 02:24:06 am
antifa   ha ha ha
antifa   ha ha ha
antifa   ha ha ha
antifa   ha ha ha
antifa   ha ha ha
antifa   ha ha ha
antifa   ha ha ha
antifa   ha ha ha
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Marceaux on July 02, 2019, 02:25:49 am
Antifa is a loose collection of groups with similar ideologies who have no centralized organization or directive

Many antifa groups just talk and inform

Your idea of it is essentially the same thing as thinking that the manosphere has a leader and organized agenda

Also nowhere did I say I support them but you are essentially proclaiming that they ought to be slain for a portion of them committing crimes which often would not even invoke the death penalty

Sounds like a bunch of retards that think anarchy is cool. Why would they allow militants into their groups if they did not support such actions? And if they have no clear directive then they have absolutely no purpose in doing what they are doing. They deserve a firing squad or at the very least a physical beating. And you are clearly defending them and their ideas/groups. Yet you said it yourself they are running around like a group of anarchist achieving nothing but a public disturbance and endangering peoples lives for no cause at all. Also 90% of them dress like they are coming to a BATTLE, so if they are peaceful why dress for war. And if their cause was truly just they wouldn't need to hide their faces like the COWARDS they are.
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Ry@n on July 02, 2019, 02:25:57 am
Ok retards lol
Kys weeb
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: HaroldW on July 02, 2019, 02:54:43 am
(https://i.gyazo.com/a04e081c83f820af197bb56d95182104.jpg)
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Sgt.Winters on July 02, 2019, 02:56:50 am
How bout we start killing these Fascist cunts first, they seem to be the ones with guns. Antifa is compromised of a bunch of sexually confused morons who don't know how to do anything except complain and receive, not much of a threat imo.
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Godsworn Alexiel on July 02, 2019, 03:08:11 am
Antifa is a loose collection of groups with similar ideologies who have no centralized organization or directive

Many antifa groups just talk and inform

Your idea of it is essentially the same thing as thinking that the manosphere has a leader and organized agenda

Also nowhere did I say I support them but you are essentially proclaiming that they ought to be slain for a portion of them committing crimes which often would not even invoke the death penalty

Sounds like a bunch of retards that think anarchy is cool. Why would they allow militants into their groups if they did not support such actions? And if they have no clear directive then they have absolutely no purpose in doing what they are doing. They deserve a firing squad or at the very least a physical beating. And you are clearly defending them and their ideas/groups. Yet you said it yourself they are running around like a group of anarchist achieving nothing but a public disturbance and endangering peoples lives for no cause at all. Also 90% of them dress like they are coming to a BATTLE, so if they are peaceful why dress for war. And if their cause was truly just they wouldn't need to hide their faces like the COWARDS they are.

Yes the sects in question who do break the law and cause chaos are a bunch of people who are illusioned about what they are doing. I also don't even personally agree with their ideology.

I wasn't defending them, I was just pointing out how you are ill informed about what antifa actually is yet you call for them to be essentially murdered. There still an incredibly large constituency of members of antifa groups who are law abiding or have not broken the law yet. You also call for a punishment far greater than what would be issued should they be arrested for crimes that the extreme ones have committed.

Yes they get riled up and join the mob mentallity, armed with weapons and clothes which are meant to hide identity and reduce personal blame for actions which may follow, but of all the antifa groups around the USA (there are a lot), not that many actually do follow through with violent acts. Only the ones that do get thrown up on the news.

The fact that you still have this position to inflict harm or death on all under the umbrella of being a member of an antifa group is actually insanely stupid and hot headed.

There is a difference between arresting and punishing those who break the law and straight up killing people just for association, which you are suggesting needs to happen.

You also have insanely low reading comprehension for accusing me of defending antifa members who do break the law, along with their ideologies, as I didn't give an opinion on their ideology at all in my past posts. I purely pointed out how ill informed and misguided you were on the topic along with how to approach it.

1. You literally thought they were a single entity with organization
2. You advocate for the murder rather than apprehension of the group purely by association rather than crimes committed, which no government or reasonable human being with democratic ideals would support.
3. You automatically assumed just because I didn't agree with you exactly, that I was defending crimes committed by what I assume to be the Rose City Antifa group when there is no evidence for me saying what they did was either justified or normal

ur dum lol

Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Stroke0fd34th on July 02, 2019, 04:16:22 am
Even where I live, Antifa is a violent group who takes pride that their innate threat of violence causes protests/groups they don't agree with to relocate/not show up, and have to send out misinformation for Antifa stalkers to find in order prevent Antifa from showing up to their gatherings. They enjoy the fear they cause and they consider things like this "victory". They don't have any intention of engaging in peaceful/civil discourse, they either shout over whoever they disagree with or attack them. This isn't unique to my local group, they're inspired by and have connections to other groups in Canada/The United States who undoubtedly are inspired by and have connections with other groups. This isn't to suggest they necessarily coordinate with these other groups, but it does suggest that it's not just some fringe minority engaging in and encouraging violence.

While I support people's free speech and right to peaceful assembly, even if I don't agree with their message...Antifa has shown time and again that their assemblies seldom have peaceful intention, and if they aren't outright violent, they are at the very least extremely confrontational (which most likely will lead to violence anyways, unless whatever group/individual they're confronting backs down).

Their actions paint them as Fascists, and define them as terrorists. So yes, I do think they need to be dealt with. I don't think they need to be gathered up and shot in firing squads, but I think they need more than a slap on the wrist and a MAYBE few hours in a jail cell. If they're going to insist on engaging in violence, then they need to be arrested, charged, and prosecuted as real, violent criminals, not just some overzealous college kids.

For the most part, they're kids (or extremely idiotic adults) with something to lose (hence always attempting to conceal their identities), and I doubt the vast majority of them, even the ones engaging in violence are committed enough to their "movement" to be willing to give up/ruin their futures over this. Just have to make a few examples and show them that it's a real possibility.

Obviously I'm not saying every Antifa member should be rounded up and prosecuted. But "counter-protesters" engaging in violence need to be stopped, and they need a real deterrent against continuing their behavior.

Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: SilverBolt on July 02, 2019, 07:43:40 am
Just sayin, the only thing true for every Antifa group is the anti fascist part
so if you want to execute an group just on the base of being part of the antifa boi ive got some bad news for you and your selfimage

Yes some are violent, most are not, some are comunists/anarchists etc, most are just left leaning ppl with a thing against nazis
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Zappy on July 02, 2019, 08:29:38 am
Where I live (Norway) Antifa is more of a counterpart to increased marches of neo-nazi marches coming around in the Nordic countries. From what I've seen and know of the people involved they are 99% non-violent people except for an extreme minority. Even though there have been fights, I would say its worse in other countries.
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Marceaux on July 02, 2019, 08:33:11 am
Just sayin, the only thing true for every Antifa group is the anti fascist part
so if you want to execute an group just on the base of being part of the antifa boi ive got some bad news for you and your selfimage

Yes some are violent, most are not, some are comunists/anarchists etc, most are just left leaning ppl with a thing against nazis

That is like joining the KKK because you agree with 1 of their 1000 ideas then claiming innocence. You must be retarded to do such. And to affiliate yourself with militants you are asking for trouble. And obviously i do not literally think they should all be shot but you get my point. And again i see some fuck boy defending a group of morons. You make it pretty clear what type of person you are if you attempt to provide justification for these sub-human creatures.
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Marceaux on July 02, 2019, 08:42:35 am
Where I live (Norway) Antifa is more of a counterpart to increased marches of neo-nazi marches coming around in the Nordic countries. From what I've seen and know of the people involved they are 99% non-violent people except for an extreme minority. Even though there have been fights, I would say its worse in other countries.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WzMZxT-41k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guQ_LJDCUXE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwE620VkaD0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S33HVduI474

And there are countless other videos many of which are much longer so i wont bother linking them.

Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: SilverBolt on July 02, 2019, 09:39:43 am
Just sayin, the only thing true for every Antifa group is the anti fascist part
so if you want to execute an group just on the base of being part of the antifa boi ive got some bad news for you and your selfimage

Yes some are violent, most are not, some are comunists/anarchists etc, most are just left leaning ppl with a thing against nazis

That is like joining the KKK because you agree with 1 of their 1000 ideas then claiming innocence. You must be retarded to do such. And to affiliate yourself with militants you are asking for trouble. And obviously i do not literally think they should all be shot but you get my point. And again i see some fuck boy defending a group of morons. You make it pretty clear what type of person you are if you attempt to provide justification for these sub-human creatures.
Yeh just that the KKK is one single Organization with a single Head, while the Antifa is more of a label you can tag unto your own group. Its much more like anonymous where everyone can call himself anonymous or himself a part of anonymous but there isnt one single line in the Antifa

And Yes i defend the Antifa because where i come from, Germany, they are a much needed counterweight to tens of thousands of Neo Nazis and other militant extreme right wingers who straight up want to overthrow the government and kill Politicians with opposing views. Assuming ur French you must connect the Antifa closely to the Yellow Wests (idk how theyre called in english tbf) and the French Communist Party but atleast in germany most of the Antifa only share the label of Antifa and the idea of being Anti-Fascist
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Zappy on July 02, 2019, 11:09:31 am
Where I live (Norway) Antifa is more of a counterpart to increased marches of neo-nazi marches coming around in the Nordic countries. From what I've seen and know of the people involved they are 99% non-violent people except for an extreme minority. Even though there have been fights, I would say its worse in other countries.

Spoiler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WzMZxT-41k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guQ_LJDCUXE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwE620VkaD0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S33HVduI474
[close]
And there are countless other videos many of which are much longer so i wont bother linking them.
Hence why I said where I live
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Godsworn Alexiel on July 02, 2019, 11:28:22 am
Just sayin, the only thing true for every Antifa group is the anti fascist part
so if you want to execute an group just on the base of being part of the antifa boi ive got some bad news for you and your selfimage

Yes some are violent, most are not, some are comunists/anarchists etc, most are just left leaning ppl with a thing against nazis

That is like joining the KKK because you agree with 1 of their 1000 ideas then claiming innocence. You must be retarded to do such. And to affiliate yourself with militants you are asking for trouble. And obviously i do not literally think they should all be shot but you get my point. And again i see some fuck boy defending a group of morons. You make it pretty clear what type of person you are if you attempt to provide justification for these sub-human creatures.

You still don't get it

He isn't defending the violent ones. He was referencing the antifa movement as a whole.

Being part of an antifa proclaimed group does not = you are a law breaking criminal engaging in terrorist acts

Your knowledge of the subject is ultra surface level and seemingly only stemming from news headliners from FOX news

Your personal attacks are ultra invalid too due to their false premise
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: ✠ Connor ✠ on July 02, 2019, 11:55:59 am
Just sayin, the only thing true for every Antifa group is the anti fascist part
so if you want to execute an group just on the base of being part of the antifa boi ive got some bad news for you and your selfimage

Yes some are violent, most are not, some are comunists/anarchists etc, most are just left leaning ppl with a thing against nazis

That is like joining the KKK because you agree with 1 of their 1000 ideas then claiming innocence. You must be retarded to do such. And to affiliate yourself with militants you are asking for trouble. And obviously i do not literally think they should all be shot but you get my point. And again i see some fuck boy defending a group of morons. You make it pretty clear what type of person you are if you attempt to provide justification for these sub-human creatures.
Yeh just that the KKK is one single Organization with a single Head, while the Antifa is more of a label you can tag unto your own group. Its much more like anonymous where everyone can call himself anonymous or himself a part of anonymous but there isnt one single line in the Antifa

And Yes i defend the Antifa because where i come from, Germany, they are a much needed counterweight to tens of thousands of Neo Nazis and other militant extreme right wingers who straight up want to overthrow the government and kill Politicians with opposing views. Assuming ur French you must connect the Antifa closely to the Yellow Wests (idk how theyre called in english tbf) and the French Communist Party but atleast in germany most of the Antifa only share the label of Antifa and the idea of being Anti-Fascist

G20? And the counterweight to extremism isn't extremism, it's moderate Democracy. The constant battling between the left and the right in Germany is not benefical for the political climate.
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Harford on July 02, 2019, 12:14:49 pm
claiming the yellow jackets in france is an antifa movement would be absolutely wrong
not gonna argue here with someone who believe we should kill ppl because of opinions but basically, the yellow jackets/vests movement is more like a regroupment of many angry ppl, who dislikes the government for what they think it is aka pro rich ppl (and they're right to do so, i agree with that), but there is many influences in the yellow vests movement, and generally the ones we hear are from the extreme : a lot of pro-RN (former FN, so extreme right wing), some pro-LFI (leftist sovereigntist), some who are just angry at the gov etc

but i'd say most of them are right wing ppl
+ the PCF (french commie party) is pretty much dead in france
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Kore on July 02, 2019, 12:20:32 pm
associating to any extremist group, be it antifa, neo-nazi, etc. means you are pretty much braindead  ;)
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: ClaSh on July 02, 2019, 12:22:06 pm
associating to any extremist group, be it antifa, neo-nazi, etc. means you are pretty much braindead  ;)

couldn't agree more
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: SilverBolt on July 02, 2019, 01:56:55 pm
Just sayin, the only thing true for every Antifa group is the anti fascist part
so if you want to execute an group just on the base of being part of the antifa boi ive got some bad news for you and your selfimage

Yes some are violent, most are not, some are comunists/anarchists etc, most are just left leaning ppl with a thing against nazis

That is like joining the KKK because you agree with 1 of their 1000 ideas then claiming innocence. You must be retarded to do such. And to affiliate yourself with militants you are asking for trouble. And obviously i do not literally think they should all be shot but you get my point. And again i see some fuck boy defending a group of morons. You make it pretty clear what type of person you are if you attempt to provide justification for these sub-human creatures.
Yeh just that the KKK is one single Organization with a single Head, while the Antifa is more of a label you can tag unto your own group. Its much more like anonymous where everyone can call himself anonymous or himself a part of anonymous but there isnt one single line in the Antifa

And Yes i defend the Antifa because where i come from, Germany, they are a much needed counterweight to tens of thousands of Neo Nazis and other militant extreme right wingers who straight up want to overthrow the government and kill Politicians with opposing views. Assuming ur French you must connect the Antifa closely to the Yellow Wests (idk how theyre called in english tbf) and the French Communist Party but atleast in germany most of the Antifa only share the label of Antifa and the idea of being Anti-Fascist

G20? And the counterweight to extremism isn't extremism, it's moderate Democracy. The constant battling between the left and the right in Germany is not benefical for the political climate.
After the Death of Walther Lübcke (german regional politician who got killed by right wing extremists due to his stances during the refugee crisis for those who dont know him) and the reactions of the political right im kinda lost on the counterargument of G20 against the imo very real threat of the Nordkreuz movement, the different Völkischen Movements and so on.
You cant discuss with someone who is Hellbend on ending your democracy and moderate democrats dont have any reason to be violent or extremist in germany rn so i dont see anyone defending democracy when the "Tag X" is coming. The Nazis are planning for it while moderates still seem to think the real threat is coming from extreme lefts protesting against capitalism
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Ry@n on July 02, 2019, 02:35:30 pm
Omg all these lefty commies giving me crippling brain damage reading what they say
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: ✠ Connor ✠ on July 02, 2019, 02:54:13 pm
Quote
After the Death of Walther Lübcke (german regional politician who got killed by right wing extremists due to his stances during the refugee crisis for those who dont know him) and the reactions of the political right im kinda lost on the counterargument of G20 against the imo very real threat of the Nordkreuz movement, the different Völkischen Movements and so on.
You cant discuss with someone who is Hellbend on ending your democracy and moderate democrats dont have any reason to be violent or extremist in germany rn so i dont see anyone defending democracy when the "Tag X" is coming. The Nazis are planning for it while moderates still seem to think the real threat is coming from extreme lefts protesting against capitalism

Alt-Left extremism is also antidemocratic so they are not defending our democracy at all. Some Antifa groups openly call for an revolution which is in fact illegal in Germany by our constitution. Extremism is always antidemocratic because the whole point of extremism is basically to crack down the oppostion & the current system to install a new form of oppressive government to completly deny any democratic structure rising again. Just think of any government that was either far left or far right, where they democratic? Sure right-wing extremism maybe a bit more dangerous currently in Germany in regards to the recent events, but thinking that the alt-left are the protectors of our democracy because they violently act against the right is complete nonsense. Just imagine what could possibly happen if the alt-left rose to power? Would that be good for democracy, pluralism, freedom, economy etc.?

Extremism must be shutdown in every way regadless of the political standpoint they might have. It's actually quite simple: Extremism vs. Extremism = more extremism = less democracy = bad
Germany is just not capable to crack down extremism effeciently at the moment which led to things like NSU, RAF, Lübcke, G20 etc. which is a shame considering our history with two periods of extremist ideologies in power.
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Gi on July 02, 2019, 03:11:40 pm
If only these darn antifa chaps could start beating up actual nazis instead of liberals,LGBT people whom don't fit their narative, free speech advocates, political commentators and right wingers.

Quote
And Yes i defend the Antifa because where i come from, Germany, they are a much needed counterweight to tens of thousands of Neo Nazis and other militant extreme right wingers who straight up want to overthrow the government and kill Politicians with opposing views. Assuming ur French you must connect the Antifa closely to the Yellow Wests (idk how theyre called in english tbf) and the French Communist Party but atleast in germany most of the Antifa only share the label of Antifa and the idea of being Anti-Fascist

ah yes I'm sure the threat of violence does wonders in stopping support for extreme right wing ideology.
Please don't reproduce
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Nock on July 02, 2019, 03:43:44 pm
we should just nuke the entire earth fuck human beings
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Sgt.Winters on July 02, 2019, 03:51:55 pm
we should just nuke the entire earth fuck human beings
"bUt lIfE iS pReCiOuS!!!"
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Marceaux on July 02, 2019, 06:23:28 pm
associating to any extremist group, be it antifa, neo-nazi, etc. means you are pretty much braindead  ;)

couldn't agree more

This. ^

Just sayin, the only thing true for every Antifa group is the anti fascist part
so if you want to execute an group just on the base of being part of the antifa boi ive got some bad news for you and your selfimage

Yes some are violent, most are not, some are comunists/anarchists etc, most are just left leaning ppl with a thing against nazis

That is like joining the KKK because you agree with 1 of their 1000 ideas then claiming innocence. You must be retarded to do such. And to affiliate yourself with militants you are asking for trouble. And obviously i do not literally think they should all be shot but you get my point. And again i see some fuck boy defending a group of morons. You make it pretty clear what type of person you are if you attempt to provide justification for these sub-human creatures.

You still don't get it

He isn't defending the violent ones. He was referencing the antifa movement as a whole.

Being part of an antifa proclaimed group does not = you are a law breaking criminal engaging in terrorist acts

Your knowledge of the subject is ultra surface level and seemingly only stemming from news headliners from FOX news

Your personal attacks are ultra invalid too due to their false premise

Ok retard let me make this real simple for you.

If you knowingly join in with a mixed group of people that have no clear motive or organization and have a reputation for extremism and violence then it does not matter if you are also violent as well. Because you chose to align yourself with those people. Making you apart of their chaotic retarded group therefore giving up your right to claim innocence. And if they did not support the extremism and violent people within Antifa then why would they come out with them at all? Why not join a different group or start their own group. Instead they just join a mob that you said yourself has no clear directive or organization aka anarchy. Partaking in it in any fashion makes you apart of the problem. And you can try and deny VIDEO evidence all you want but there are clearly 100's of videos of Antifa mobs violently attacking innocent people. And to compare Antifa to Anon really makes you a fucking idiot. So go ahead keep defending these retards you idiot. I bet your ass if they came to your city and fucked up one of your family members or friends or even you. Your dumb ass opinion would change quickly. You clearly do not understand a mob mentality and those that partake in it.

Go out and see this shit in person and then try and defend these braindead animals. Try and reason with them like we are talking here and they would beat you down in the street and leave you to die if you had a different view or opinion.

Also i LOVE how you tried to highlight the ONE fox video i posted and paint me as a far right supporter. When in fact i do not truly support any political party in america because i do not believe in joining a side because there should not be opposing sides in a nation. I have a strong mix of Democratic and Republican views. I make up my own mind and i don't follow others brainlessly like these ANTIFA fucks. And to clarify my position further i do not support Trump. But you do not see me donning armor and a mask to go beat up anyone that thinks otherwise.
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Sgt.Winters on July 02, 2019, 07:15:41 pm
It has become clear now that the only answer is anarchy. The system is rigged and our leaders our corrupt. The upper class sits atop their golden throne while we grovel for scraps. RISE UP! DEMOCRACY HAD ITS CHANCE, NOW WE MUST FACE THE CONSEQUENCES OF OUR FAILURE AS A PEOPLE!
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: HaroldW on July 02, 2019, 08:08:21 pm
There's two kinds of antifa members:

1) Naive college students suffering from delusions of grandeur, thinking they are part of the revolutionary generation (probably what their parents thought and their parents before them)
2) Immature and desperate college professors living out of their cars, misleading said naive college students

I think most of the commie edgelords in this thread fall into the former category, so there's still time to step away from the keyboard and go outside!
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Ambiguous on July 02, 2019, 10:43:48 pm
(https://pics.me.me/no-tears-only-gravity-now-get-out-of-the-copter-20440967.png)
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Theodin on July 02, 2019, 10:57:14 pm
Marceaux calling people retards presumptively and Gluk calling himself a “community activist”? This is 2015 fse all over again
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Tommmy on July 02, 2019, 10:57:41 pm
orange man bad
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Nero_ on July 02, 2019, 11:01:02 pm
/sub cos this will probably blow up
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Furrnox on July 02, 2019, 11:13:36 pm
Spoiler
associating to any extremist group, be it antifa, neo-nazi, etc. means you are pretty much braindead  ;)

couldn't agree more

This. ^

Just sayin, the only thing true for every Antifa group is the anti fascist part
so if you want to execute an group just on the base of being part of the antifa boi ive got some bad news for you and your selfimage

Yes some are violent, most are not, some are comunists/anarchists etc, most are just left leaning ppl with a thing against nazis

That is like joining the KKK because you agree with 1 of their 1000 ideas then claiming innocence. You must be retarded to do such. And to affiliate yourself with militants you are asking for trouble. And obviously i do not literally think they should all be shot but you get my point. And again i see some fuck boy defending a group of morons. You make it pretty clear what type of person you are if you attempt to provide justification for these sub-human creatures.

You still don't get it

He isn't defending the violent ones. He was referencing the antifa movement as a whole.

Being part of an antifa proclaimed group does not = you are a law breaking criminal engaging in terrorist acts

Your knowledge of the subject is ultra surface level and seemingly only stemming from news headliners from FOX news

Your personal attacks are ultra invalid too due to their false premise

Ok retard let me make this real simple for you.

If you knowingly join in with a mixed group of people that have no clear motive or organization and have a reputation for extremism and violence then it does not matter if you are also violent as well. Because you chose to align yourself with those people. Making you apart of their chaotic retarded group therefore giving up your right to claim innocence. And if they did not support the extremism and violent people within Antifa then why would they come out with them at all? Why not join a different group or start their own group. Instead they just join a mob that you said yourself has no clear directive or organization aka anarchy. Partaking in it in any fashion makes you apart of the problem. And you can try and deny VIDEO evidence all you want but there are clearly 100's of videos of Antifa mobs violently attacking innocent people. And to compare Antifa to Anon really makes you a fucking idiot. So go ahead keep defending these retards you idiot. I bet your ass if they came to your city and fucked up one of your family members or friends or even you. Your dumb ass opinion would change quickly. You clearly do not understand a mob mentality and those that partake in it.

Go out and see this shit in person and then try and defend these braindead animals. Try and reason with them like we are talking here and they would beat you down in the street and leave you to die if you had a different view or opinion.

Also i LOVE how you tried to highlight the ONE fox video i posted and paint me as a far right supporter. When in fact i do not truly support any political party in america because i do not believe in joining a side because there should not be opposing sides in a nation. I have a strong mix of Democratic and Republican views. I make up my own mind and i don't follow others brainlessly like these ANTIFA fucks. And to clarify my position further i do not support Trump. But you do not see me donning armor and a mask to go beat up anyone that thinks otherwise.
[close]

Big oofs all around.
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Godsworn Alexiel on July 02, 2019, 11:36:56 pm
associating to any extremist group, be it antifa, neo-nazi, etc. means you are pretty much braindead  ;)

couldn't agree more

This. ^

Just sayin, the only thing true for every Antifa group is the anti fascist part
so if you want to execute an group just on the base of being part of the antifa boi ive got some bad news for you and your selfimage

Yes some are violent, most are not, some are comunists/anarchists etc, most are just left leaning ppl with a thing against nazis

That is like joining the KKK because you agree with 1 of their 1000 ideas then claiming innocence. You must be retarded to do such. And to affiliate yourself with militants you are asking for trouble. And obviously i do not literally think they should all be shot but you get my point. And again i see some fuck boy defending a group of morons. You make it pretty clear what type of person you are if you attempt to provide justification for these sub-human creatures.

You still don't get it

He isn't defending the violent ones. He was referencing the antifa movement as a whole.

Being part of an antifa proclaimed group does not = you are a law breaking criminal engaging in terrorist acts

Your knowledge of the subject is ultra surface level and seemingly only stemming from news headliners from FOX news

Your personal attacks are ultra invalid too due to their false premise

Ok retard let me make this real simple for you.

If you knowingly join in with a mixed group of people that have no clear motive or organization and have a reputation for extremism and violence then it does not matter if you are also violent as well. Because you chose to align yourself with those people. Making you apart of their chaotic retarded group therefore giving up your right to claim innocence. And if they did not support the extremism and violent people within Antifa then why would they come out with them at all? Why not join a different group or start their own group. Instead they just join a mob that you said yourself has no clear directive or organization aka anarchy. Partaking in it in any fashion makes you apart of the problem. And you can try and deny VIDEO evidence all you want but there are clearly 100's of videos of Antifa mobs violently attacking innocent people. And to compare Antifa to Anon really makes you a fucking idiot. So go ahead keep defending these retards you idiot. I bet your ass if they came to your city and fucked up one of your family members or friends or even you. Your dumb ass opinion would change quickly. You clearly do not understand a mob mentality and those that partake in it.

Go out and see this shit in person and then try and defend these braindead animals. Try and reason with them like we are talking here and they would beat you down in the street and leave you to die if you had a different view or opinion.

Also i LOVE how you tried to highlight the ONE fox video i posted and paint me as a far right supporter. When in fact i do not truly support any political party in america because i do not believe in joining a side because there should not be opposing sides in a nation. I have a strong mix of Democratic and Republican views. I make up my own mind and i don't follow others brainlessly like these ANTIFA fucks. And to clarify my position further i do not support Trump. But you do not see me donning armor and a mask to go beat up anyone that thinks otherwise.

Are you dumb

Lets say someone joins the KKK

Sure they shouldn't do that, but they cannot be and should not be prosecuted for crimes they have not committed or even committed yet. Not all KKK members actually partake in violence and don't get prosecuted for their affiliation despite history of many of them being violent and getting away with it.

breaking that down literally is the opposite of the American system

Lets play devils advocate for a second and say we DO prosecute people before they commit crimes, and we only target by affiliation. The fact that antifa isnt a singular entity or even regulated makes it impossible to pin people as a whole for crime by affiliation.

Again, anyone with a brain who actually studies something like Political Science (like me at a top 30 US University) can see that I'm not defending the violent actions of some of the antifa groups but merely explaining how your angry hot take is inaccurate and illogical for use of discussion. Also I never said you were a trump supporter nor do I even think he is a fascist so idk where you are getting your points from.
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Marceaux on July 02, 2019, 11:50:46 pm
Now you are defending the KKK. "liKe mE aT a TOp 30 uS uniVERSiTy." Yeah it takes alot of intelligence to listen to another human tell you things and read from a book. You are a real genius my guy. You are the type to join Antifa. This will be my last response to you.
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Sgt.Winters on July 02, 2019, 11:58:59 pm
LETS GO AND WAGE SOME FUCKING WARRRRRRRRRRRRR
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Godsworn Alexiel on July 03, 2019, 12:05:37 am
Now you are defending the KKK. "liKe mE aT a TOp 30 uS uniVERSiTy." Yeah it takes alot of intelligence to listen to another human tell you things and read from a book. You are a real genius my guy. You are the type to join Antifa. This will be my last response to you.

looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

I'm not even a socialist/communist

and Im probably one of the most moderate democrats you will ever meet along with being an antifeminist and MRA

The university democrat club got mad at me for being too moderate and opposing transgenders and affirmative action

Nice assumptions bro

I'm just an actual polisci student who plays devils advocate to see the truth

What university did YOU go to??? What did you study? Cuz your surface level knowledge shows that you barely know anything about the topics at hand or even research correctly
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Furrnox on July 03, 2019, 12:08:06 am
Now you are defending the KKK. "liKe mE aT a TOp 30 uS uniVERSiTy." Yeah it takes alot of intelligence to listen to another human tell you things and read from a book. You are a real genius my guy. You are the type to join Antifa. This will be my last response to you.

That's probably for the best...
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Marceaux on July 03, 2019, 12:12:54 am
Now you are defending the KKK. "liKe mE aT a TOp 30 uS uniVERSiTy." Yeah it takes alot of intelligence to listen to another human tell you things and read from a book. You are a real genius my guy. You are the type to join Antifa. This will be my last response to you.

That's probably for the best...

Yeah because you have given alot of input here you fucking retard. Speak up pussy? Lets hear your opinion on the matter? Instead of commenting b.s because you're scared to put your dumb ass thoughts out there.
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Godsworn Alexiel on July 03, 2019, 12:14:04 am
Now you are defending the KKK. "liKe mE aT a TOp 30 uS uniVERSiTy." Yeah it takes alot of intelligence to listen to another human tell you things and read from a book. You are a real genius my guy. You are the type to join Antifa. This will be my last response to you.

That's probably for the best...

Yeah because you have given alot of input here you fucking retard. Speak up pussy? Lets hear your opinion on the matter? Instead of commenting b.s because you're scared to put your dumb ass thoughts out there.

He’s supporting you, you retard

0 reading comprehension

Also nice job not conceding all the inaccuracies I brought up about your view point and you just attempt to nit pick singular aspects of my arguments

Also lol at running away from the argument by refusing to respond and then PMing me bait which is unrelated to the discussion at hand
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Furrnox on July 03, 2019, 12:17:52 am
Now you are defending the KKK. "liKe mE aT a TOp 30 uS uniVERSiTy." Yeah it takes alot of intelligence to listen to another human tell you things and read from a book. You are a real genius my guy. You are the type to join Antifa. This will be my last response to you.

That's probably for the best...

Yeah because you have given alot of input here you fucking retard. Speak up pussy? Lets hear your opinion on the matter? Instead of commenting b.s because you're scared to put your dumb ass thoughts out there.

He’s supporting you, you retard

0 reading comprehension

That's a nice meme.. No I don't think you should be able to execute people based on their affiliation too an organization.
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Marceaux on July 03, 2019, 12:20:26 am
Now you are defending the KKK. "liKe mE aT a TOp 30 uS uniVERSiTy." Yeah it takes alot of intelligence to listen to another human tell you things and read from a book. You are a real genius my guy. You are the type to join Antifa. This will be my last response to you.

That's probably for the best...

Yeah because you have given alot of input here you fucking retard. Speak up pussy? Lets hear your opinion on the matter? Instead of commenting b.s because you're scared to put your dumb ass thoughts out there.

He’s supporting you, you retard

0 reading comprehension

That's a nice meme.. No I don't think you should be able to execute people based on their affiliation too an organization.

See? Nice reading comprehension mister top 30 university. Who is the retard now?
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Furrnox on July 03, 2019, 12:21:00 am
Still you.
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Marceaux on July 03, 2019, 12:24:02 am
Still you.

He just rekt himself but sure.

And you just said if someone affiliates themselves with nazis they are completely innocent. Yeah you are a real smart one.
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Godsworn Alexiel on July 03, 2019, 12:28:46 am
Now you are defending the KKK. "liKe mE aT a TOp 30 uS uniVERSiTy." Yeah it takes alot of intelligence to listen to another human tell you things and read from a book. You are a real genius my guy. You are the type to join Antifa. This will be my last response to you.

That's probably for the best...

Yeah because you have given alot of input here you fucking retard. Speak up pussy? Lets hear your opinion on the matter? Instead of commenting b.s because you're scared to put your dumb ass thoughts out there.

He’s supporting you, you retard

0 reading comprehension

Also nice job not conceding all the inaccuracies I brought up about your view point and you just attempt to nit pick singular aspects of my arguments

Also lol at running away from the argument by refusing to respond and then PMing me bait which is unrelated to the discussion at hand


My mistake due to thinking that Europeans were more likely to give supportive advice rather than BTFOing a tardo

Bolded and italicized still valid though


Still you.

He just rekt himself but sure.

And you just said if someone affiliates themselves with nazis they are completely innocent. Yeah you are a real smart one.

Someone who affiliates themselves with nazis IS innocent unless they commit a CRIME

What are we gonna do? Execute the entire German populace for the holocaust? NO that is IDIOCY

ur stance of punishment through affiliation is literally what SJW's do/want to do

Ironically you act in the same manner that the Rose City Antifa does
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Marceaux on July 03, 2019, 12:33:47 am
Being a Nazi is a crime. Supporting those beliefs is a crime. And it should be punishable by death because people that think such extreme things should be dealt with extremely.
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Ambiguous on July 03, 2019, 12:33:55 am
F.Y.I Antifa is not a unified group you are correct. Neither is the KKK. Source (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ku_Klux_Klan_organizations)

You comparing the two is quite logical, since it shows the hypocrisy of the left in America. The majority of the right in America disavows the KKK as religious extremists, but Antifa are widely accepted as being part of the left and are defended by the left leaning news organisations.

Spoiler
This goes without saying but you are commie scum and weaboo trash
[close]
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Godsworn Alexiel on July 03, 2019, 12:39:34 am
Being a Nazi is a crime. Supporting those beliefs is a crime. And it should be punishable by death because people that think such extreme things should be dealt with extremely.

More ignorance!

Neo Nazism is protected under the first amendment so long as they do not commit crimes. People should not be prosecuted for political beliefs or opinions. It is only illegal in germany because germany does not support free speech

"And it should be punishable by death because people that think such extreme things should be dealt with extremely."

This is literally what Rose City Antifa says btw ^ IRONIC

The KKK is also legal to be in and should not be abridged until they commit an illegal act
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Godsworn Alexiel on July 03, 2019, 12:49:28 am
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Party_of_America_v._Village_of_Skokie

btw
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Stroke0fd34th on July 03, 2019, 02:05:17 am
Being a Nazi is a crime. Supporting those beliefs is a crime. And it should be punishable by death because people that think such extreme things should be dealt with extremely.

Again, anyone with a brain who actually studies something like Political Science (like me at a top 30 US University) can see that I'm not defending the violent actions of some of the antifa groups but merely explaining how your angry hot take is inaccurate and illogical for use of discussion. Also I never said you were a trump supporter nor do I even think he is a fascist so idk where you are getting your points from.

I feel like these two quotes summarize you both perfectly.



Marceaux...do you really not see how ironic that is? Killing people for their beliefs is EXACTLY how the worst of the Antifa and Neo-Nazi type scum think. It's not just as bad as the way they think, it's the exact same way they think. Your belief that they should be killed, doesn't make you better than them, it makes you exactly like them. And if we were to do things your way, you'd be one of the people who would have to be dealt with extremely.

Have some self awareness.

And Lawbringer.....do you REALLY think it takes someone who studies Political Science (at a top 30 university or otherwise) to be able to see what you've been doing? Or are you just including that so you can build up to throwing out that you study at a top 30 university?

Because one of those is asinine, and the other is both extremely pretentious, and very, very sad.


Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Zappy on July 03, 2019, 02:10:24 am
Non-violence should be the basis for any political discussion and disagreement.
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Piercee on July 03, 2019, 02:12:08 am
kanker niet blanken lol

support je lokale NVU
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Windflower on July 03, 2019, 02:45:57 am
Again, anyone with a brain who actually studies something like Political Science (like me at a top 30 US University)
Spoiler
(https://media.giphy.com/media/aIZCU6xKBPtug/giphy.gif)
[close]
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Marceaux on July 03, 2019, 02:59:21 am
Being a Nazi is a crime. Supporting those beliefs is a crime. And it should be punishable by death because people that think such extreme things should be dealt with extremely.

Again, anyone with a brain who actually studies something like Political Science (like me at a top 30 US University) can see that I'm not defending the violent actions of some of the antifa groups but merely explaining how your angry hot take is inaccurate and illogical for use of discussion. Also I never said you were a trump supporter nor do I even think he is a fascist so idk where you are getting your points from.

I feel like these two quotes summarize you both perfectly.



Marceaux...do you really not see how ironic that is? Killing people for their beliefs is EXACTLY how the worst of the Antifa and Neo-Nazi type scum think. It's not just as bad as the way they think, it's the exact same way they think. Your belief that they should be killed, doesn't make you better than them, it makes you exactly like them. And if we were to do things your way, you'd be one of the people who would have to be dealt with extremely.

Have some self awareness.

And Lawbringer.....do you REALLY think it takes someone who studies Political Science (at a top 30 university or otherwise) to be able to see what you've been doing? Or are you just including that so you can build up to throwing out that you study at a top 30 university?

Because one of those is asinine, and the other is both extremely pretentious, and very, very sad.

Yes i see how its ironic, BUT people that TRULY believe in killing others for no REAL reason (Nazis etc) do deserve to die unless they are willing to change their views. Otherwise they will continue to spread their cancer. Sure i maybe went overboard about killing all of Antifa i was being extra i admit. But Nazis cmon? They deserve death how could they not. And the Antifa members that are militant extremist also deserve death if they are not willing to see the error in their ways. Its not like i am saying kill democrats or republicans i am talking about groups of people that want to spread true hatred and violence. They just have no place in the world.

I am an extremist i guess, an anti-extremist extremist. The only ones i have an issue with are the ones who want to hurt innocents and spread real hatred. Those people i just have no remorse for. :-\
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: ~NickCole~ on July 03, 2019, 03:09:18 am
Again, anyone with a brain who actually studies something like Political Science (like me at a top 30 US University)
Spoiler
(https://media.giphy.com/media/aIZCU6xKBPtug/giphy.gif)
[close]
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Godsworn Alexiel on July 03, 2019, 03:52:48 am
yea I did all this just to flex that gaucho pride xd

Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Godsworn Alexiel on July 03, 2019, 04:00:09 am
Also technically keeping your population homogenous is good for reducing domestic conflict and more so nazis don’t have NO reason
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Mexican on July 03, 2019, 05:18:01 am
yo marceaux are you in this pic?

(https://i.imgur.com/wVsGIfd.jpg)
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Sgt.Winters on July 03, 2019, 05:21:53 am
yo marceaux are you in this pic?

(https://i.imgur.com/wVsGIfd.jpg)
Hey look it's 90% of the Facebook groups that inhabit this great nation.
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Marceaux on July 03, 2019, 05:26:14 am
yo marceaux are you in this pic?

(https://i.imgur.com/wVsGIfd.jpg)

Yeah because being against extremist make me a Trump supporter? Try reading you fucking moron i already stated i am against Trump.
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Marceaux on July 03, 2019, 05:28:33 am
Also technically keeping your population homogenous is good for reducing domestic conflict and more so nazis don’t have NO reason

Defending/Supporting nazis, antifa, kkk, and communists. You are a fine specimen.  *snip*
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Superb_Pedro on July 03, 2019, 06:10:20 am
Also technically keeping your population homogenous is good for reducing domestic conflict and more so nazis don’t have NO reason

Defending/Supporting nazis, antifa, kkk, and communists. You are a fine specimen.  *snip*
I didn't know that Lawbrniger is a communist. wtf? Call the FBI on him, and see how well he does in court. lmaooo
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Marceaux on July 03, 2019, 06:14:56 am
Also technically keeping your population homogenous is good for reducing domestic conflict and more so nazis don’t have NO reason

Defending/Supporting nazis, antifa, kkk, and communists. You are a fine specimen.  *snip*
I didn't know that Lawbrniger is a communist. wtf? Call the FBI on him, and see how well he does in court. lmaooo

Well seeing as he just attempted to provide justification for the nazis slaughtering jews etc i am sure i can just call up his local antifa group and they will handle him accordingly.
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Sgt.Winters on July 03, 2019, 06:43:10 am
You know what, if we are bringing up groups that consist of good chunks of the American population that pose a direct threat to our democracy, then let’s talk about the biggest contributor to it.

Evangelical Christianity.

These people are legitimately batshit insane. They deny empirical evidence, rigid observation, and even the common scientific consensus regarding climate change in order to bring about the Second Coming of Christ while maximizing corporate profits. They will exterminate all life on this little blue ball just to fulfill their delusional sense of grandeur, and will do so whatever the cost may be. These people require immediate mental health evaluations, but they counter it with their so called “faith”.

But it does not stop there. No no no, these quacks are everywhere in America. Teachers, doctors,
policemen, engineers, corporate executives, YOUR FUCKING NEIGHBOR EVEN, could be brainwashed by the Evangelical disease. They reproduce like bunnies in order to outvote any other major bloc in the country, and fully intend on triggering rapture within the next 50 years by following their suicidal doctrine. Their numbers run rampant across all levels of government in this country with little to no resistance. Nothing can stop these rampaging lunatics without immediate legal action, as the rest of the Christians in this nation refuse to address their fellow denomation as hypocrites who have poisoned and twisted the words of Christ.

Episcopalians, Methodists, Baptists, Lutherans, Anglicans, Pentecostals, it doesn’t matter, as these poor fucks are either outnumbered or have drank the kool aid, and are now hellbent on breaking the Seventh Seal.

These people are FUCKING INSANE, and should be labeled by the FBI as a serious national security threat. Antifa, Neo-Nazis, White Supremacists, or even the fucking CPUSA pale in comparison to the threat that Evangelism poses to the United States, IF not the human species as a whole. They are a threat to our future, and should be dealt with as soon as possible.
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Ambiguous on July 03, 2019, 07:07:28 am
You know what, if we are bringing up groups that consist of good chunks of the American population that pose a direct threat to our democracy, then let’s talk about the biggest contributor to it.

Evangelical Christianity.

These people are legitimately batshit insane. They deny empirical evidence, rigid observation, and even the common scientific consensus regarding climate change in order to bring about the Second Coming of Christ while maximizing corporate profits. They will exterminate all life on this little blue ball just to fulfill their delusional sense of grandeur, and will do so whatever the cost may be. These people require immediate mental health evaluations, but they counter it with their so called “faith”.

But it does not stop there. No no no, these quacks are everywhere in America. Teachers, doctors,
policemen, engineers, corporate executives, YOUR FUCKING NEIGHBOR EVEN, could be brainwashed by the Evangelical disease. They reproduce like bunnies in order to outvote any other major bloc in the country, and fully intend on triggering rapture within the next 50 years by following their suicidal doctrine. Their numbers run rampant across all levels of government in this country with little to no resistance. Nothing can stop these rampaging lunatics without immediate legal action, as the rest of the Christians in this nation refuse to address their fellow denomation as hypocrites who have poisoned and twisted the words of Christ.

Episcopalians, Methodists, Baptists, Lutherans, Anglicans, Pentecostals, it doesn’t matter, as these poor fucks are either outnumbered or have drank the kool aid, and are now hellbent on breaking the Seventh Seal.

These people are FUCKING INSANE, and should be labeled by the FBI as a serious national security threat. Antifa, Neo-Nazis, White Supremacists, or even the fucking CPUSA pale in comparison to the threat that Evangelism poses to the United States, IF not the human species as a whole. They are a threat to our future, and should be dealt with as soon as possible.
I agree with your sentiment but I am pessimistic concerning the future.
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Godsworn Alexiel on July 03, 2019, 07:19:16 am
Also technically keeping your population homogenous is good for reducing domestic conflict and more so nazis don’t have NO reason

Defending/Supporting nazis, antifa, kkk, and communists. You are a fine specimen.  Do the world a favor and please go kill yourself. :)
I didn't know that Lawbrniger is a communist. wtf? Call the FBI on him, and see how well he does in court. lmaooo

Well seeing as he just attempted to provide justification for the nazis slaughtering jews etc i am sure i can just call up his local antifa group and they will handle him accordingly.

Your knowledge about politics and political ideology is so base level that it’s infuriating

Neo Nazism isn’t founded on the idea that Jews should be slaughtered first off you retard

It’s centered around nationalism and homogeneity, of which studies have shown does in fact decrease internal conflict.

Also I said that no matter what people’s political ideology is, they should not be abridged in their support or speech for it

No where did I say that what illegal actions these groups have taken was ok or justified

Your level of thinking suggests that in your research you don’t actually watch videos about people discussing topics and issues and just read news headliners made specifically for clicks

Me being a communist is also hilarious as my parents are far richer than almost everyone who plays this game and their parents
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Phil The Thril on July 03, 2019, 07:37:23 am
my parents are far richer than almost everyone who plays this game and their parents
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Superb_Pedro on July 03, 2019, 07:41:19 am
Also technically keeping your population homogenous is good for reducing domestic conflict and more so nazis don’t have NO reason

Defending/Supporting nazis, antifa, kkk, and communists. You are a fine specimen.  Do the world a favor and please go kill yourself. :)
I didn't know that Lawbrniger is a communist. wtf? Call the FBI on him, and see how well he does in court. lmaooo

Well seeing as he just attempted to provide justification for the nazis slaughtering jews etc i am sure i can just call up his local antifa group and they will handle him accordingly.

Your knowledge about politics and political ideology is so base level that it’s infuriating

Neo Nazism isn’t founded on the idea that Jews should be slaughtered first off you retard

It’s centered around nationalism and homogeneity, of which studies have shown does in fact decrease internal conflict.

Also I said that no matter what people’s political ideology is, they should not be abridged in their support or speech for it

No where did I say that what illegal actions these groups have taken was ok or justified

Your level of thinking suggests that in your research you don’t actually watch videos about people discussing topics and issues and just read news headliners made specifically for clicks

Me being a communist is also hilarious as my parents are far richer than almost everyone who plays this game and their parents
Do you kNOW I Am ALso PRESiDEnt of PSSA of CiTRus COMmUNIty COLLEGe!!? I EVen INTERviWEEWD TE MAyoR LMAO!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Stroke0fd34th on July 03, 2019, 07:42:17 am
my parents are far richer than almost everyone who plays this game and their parents

Damn. Two sad brags in the same thread. You hate to see it.
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Marceaux on July 03, 2019, 07:43:24 am
Also technically keeping your population homogenous is good for reducing domestic conflict and more so nazis don’t have NO reason

Defending/Supporting nazis, antifa, kkk, and communists. You are a fine specimen.  Do the world a favor and please go kill yourself. :)
I didn't know that Lawbrniger is a communist. wtf? Call the FBI on him, and see how well he does in court. lmaooo

Well seeing as he just attempted to provide justification for the nazis slaughtering jews etc i am sure i can just call up his local antifa group and they will handle him accordingly.

Your knowledge about politics and political ideology is so base level that it’s infuriating

Neo Nazism isn’t founded on the idea that Jews should be slaughtered first off you retard

It’s centered around nationalism and homogeneity, of which studies have shown does in fact decrease internal conflict.

Also I said that no matter what people’s political ideology is, they should not be abridged in their support or speech for it

No where did I say that what illegal actions these groups have taken was ok or justified

Your level of thinking suggests that in your research you don’t actually watch videos about people discussing topics and issues and just read news headliners made specifically for clicks

Me being a communist is also hilarious as my parents are far richer than almost everyone who plays this game and their parents

Thank you,  you just clarified just how big of an ass hat you really are.
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: sidney crosby on July 03, 2019, 07:43:54 am
my parents are far richer than almost everyone who plays this game and their parents

Damn. Two sad brags in the same thread. You hate to see it.


if only that money could make him taller than 5'7
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: SilverBolt on July 03, 2019, 07:46:24 am
cba to respond to Gi's bullshit as long as he doesnt actually bring some counter arguments. Pls at least try to give a solution instead of just insulting people.

It’s centered around nationalism and homogeneity, of which studies have shown does in fact decrease internal conflict.
Even though im a supporter of multi culturalism as i value progress over stabilty this is true. Nations with a homogenous cultural population have shown alot less internal conflict (think Iceland, Korea, Japan, New Zealand) The only big conflicts stem from political reasons which are true for every democratic nation afaik

Me being a communist is also hilarious as my parents are far richer than almost everyone who plays this game and their parents
Engels was also rich and is basically the founder of communism!!!!!!11!!!!1!1!
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Furrnox on July 03, 2019, 07:50:45 am
Spoiler
Also technically keeping your population homogenous is good for reducing domestic conflict and more so nazis don’t have NO reason

Defending/Supporting nazis, antifa, kkk, and communists. You are a fine specimen.  Do the world a favor and please go kill yourself. :)
I didn't know that Lawbrniger is a communist. wtf? Call the FBI on him, and see how well he does in court. lmaooo

Well seeing as he just attempted to provide justification for the nazis slaughtering jews etc i am sure i can just call up his local antifa group and they will handle him accordingly.

Your knowledge about politics and political ideology is so base level that it’s infuriating

Neo Nazism isn’t founded on the idea that Jews should be slaughtered first off you retard

It’s centered around nationalism and homogeneity, of which studies have shown does in fact decrease internal conflict.

Also I said that no matter what people’s political ideology is, they should not be abridged in their support or speech for it

No where did I say that what illegal actions these groups have taken was ok or justified

Your level of thinking suggests that in your research you don’t actually watch videos about people discussing topics and issues and just read news headliners made specifically for clicks

Me being a communist is also hilarious as my parents are far richer than almost everyone who plays this game and their parents

Thank you,  you just clarified just how big of an ass hat you really are.
[close]

I'm cringing at you both, here's a tip just stop.
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Marceaux on July 03, 2019, 08:01:20 am
Spoiler
Also technically keeping your population homogenous is good for reducing domestic conflict and more so nazis don’t have NO reason

Defending/Supporting nazis, antifa, kkk, and communists. You are a fine specimen.  Do the world a favor and please go kill yourself. :)
I didn't know that Lawbrniger is a communist. wtf? Call the FBI on him, and see how well he does in court. lmaooo

Well seeing as he just attempted to provide justification for the nazis slaughtering jews etc i am sure i can just call up his local antifa group and they will handle him accordingly.

Your knowledge about politics and political ideology is so base level that it’s infuriating

Neo Nazism isn’t founded on the idea that Jews should be slaughtered first off you retard

It’s centered around nationalism and homogeneity, of which studies have shown does in fact decrease internal conflict.

Also I said that no matter what people’s political ideology is, they should not be abridged in their support or speech for it

No where did I say that what illegal actions these groups have taken was ok or justified

Your level of thinking suggests that in your research you don’t actually watch videos about people discussing topics and issues and just read news headliners made specifically for clicks

Me being a communist is also hilarious as my parents are far richer than almost everyone who plays this game and their parents

Thank you,  you just clarified just how big of an ass hat you really are.
[close]

I'm cringing at you both, here's a tip just stop.

(https://media2.giphy.com/media/55qAPFalcjncQ/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Gi on July 03, 2019, 08:19:02 am
cba to respond to Gi's bullshit as long as he doesnt actually bring some counter arguments. Pls at least try to give a solution instead of just insulting people.

It’s centered around nationalism and homogeneity, of which studies have shown does in fact decrease internal conflict.
Even though im a supporter of multi culturalism as i value progress over stabilty this is true. Nations with a homogenous cultural population have shown alot less internal conflict (think Iceland, Korea, Japan, New Zealand) The only big conflicts stem from political reasons which are true for every democratic nation afaik

Me being a communist is also hilarious as my parents are far richer than almost everyone who plays this game and their parents
Engels was also rich and is basically the founder of communism!!!!!!11!!!!1!1!
Alright bud, if you wanna use the fact I told you not to reproduce to excuse having to face the fact you are advocating for a violent and extremely stupid left wing extremist group then go for it. If you could indulge me and explain exactly how antifas attacks against basically anyone, have been assisting in stemming the growing right and far right then I would be happy.
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: SilverBolt on July 03, 2019, 08:36:48 am
Alright bud, if you wanna use the fact I told you not to reproduce to excuse having to face the fact you are advocating for a violent and extremely stupid left wing extremist group then go for it. If you could indulge me and explain exactly how antifas attacks against basically anyone, have been assisting in stemming the growing right and far right then I would be happy.
Wow you can actually say more than "hurrdurr ur wrong pls dont reproduce"
I dont really support them out of sympathy, im friends with many Antifa members but im not myself one and will probably never join Antifa

The problem is that i dont see the extreme right being stopped by simply talking with them, additionally the German military probably wont be able/willing to stop any right wing "revolution" as many veterans already have shown to not only participate in fascist organizations but lead them.
The police is also heavily right leaning so when the dice will fall i cant see a force of people who will defend german democracy

You cant really talk with extremists, they will resort to invalidating you and your viewpoints when they cant respond properly if they even intend to at all, i mean we all have seen our share of extremists in the NW community. I tried to argue with enough right wing extremists of any kind (everything from just eurosceptic/islamophobic/homophobic to literal nazis) to come to a conclusion that you cant argue against emotions and Ideologies built upon lies.
The Same is true for Left wing extremists tho, everyone has heard the ol' "real communism hasnt been tried yet".
So really i cant see the options aside from strengthening an opposition force for the worst and working and voting for the best.
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Gi on July 03, 2019, 08:49:48 am
Alright bud, if you wanna use the fact I told you not to reproduce to excuse having to face the fact you are advocating for a violent and extremely stupid left wing extremist group then go for it. If you could indulge me and explain exactly how antifas attacks against basically anyone, have been assisting in stemming the growing right and far right then I would be happy.
Wow you can actually say more than "hurrdurr ur wrong pls dont reproduce"
I dont really support them out of sympathy, im friends with many Antifa members but im not myself one and will probably never join Antifa

The problem is that i dont see the extreme right being stopped by simply talking with them, additionally the German military probably wont be able/willing to stop any right wing "revolution" as many veterans already have shown to not only participate in fascist organizations but lead them.
The police is also heavily right leaning so when the dice will fall i cant see a force of people who will defend german democracy

You cant really talk with extremists, they will resort to invalidating you and your viewpoints when they cant respond properly if they even intend to at all, i mean we all have seen our share of extremists in the NW community. I tried to argue with enough right wing extremists of any kind (everything from just eurosceptic/islamophobic/homophobic to literal nazis) to come to a conclusion that you cant argue against emotions and Ideologies built upon lies.
The Same is true for Left wing extremists tho, everyone has heard the ol' "real communism hasnt been tried yet".
So really i cant see the options aside from strengthening an opposition force for the worst and working and voting for the best.
The problem is that groups such as antifa, are exactly the kind of groups to militarize and take over a government, there is no "counterweight" to militant extremism, it's fundamentally undemocratic, anti free speech and is often violently against views that are either right or left of their own (dependant on which side). The key to democracy is strong opposition, brutal suppression of opposing views shall be the death of that.
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: SilverBolt on July 03, 2019, 09:24:36 am
Yes i know of the problem of pitting extremist militias against each other (its basically what the Germans did 1919 to throw down a communist uprising just with the sides swapped)
The small advantage we have today compared to 1919 is that the Antifa isnt as centralized as former army corps, so you can choose with which group you work with, for example in the City i live in we have a kinda large and potentially violent Antifa due to their roots in football (Ultras), but their mainline is democratic. There arent many definite antidemocrats on the left side, the communist party, as an antidemocratic example from the left, got 0.1% and its mainstream party "Die Linke" got 9,8% of the Votes while the equivalent the NPD got 0.4% and the AFD, which is basically a mainstream friendly version of the NPD now got 13% of votes. So 14% of German voters are in some degree openly racist and extremist or at least okay with supporting a party which supports racist structures

I dont know of the situation in the UK, but i think you dont have such a problem with the far right as we have in germany so i assume you dont know of the problems within german justice, where the police and military - which are supposed to be the counterweight to militant extremists seeking to overthrow a state - are both full of right wing extremists, which makes sense since the German right wing values Order and Safety above basically everything else.
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Superb_Pedro on July 03, 2019, 09:25:21 am
Alright bud, if you wanna use the fact I told you not to reproduce to excuse having to face the fact you are advocating for a violent and extremely stupid left wing extremist group then go for it. If you could indulge me and explain exactly how antifas attacks against basically anyone, have been assisting in stemming the growing right and far right then I would be happy.
Wow you can actually say more than "hurrdurr ur wrong pls dont reproduce"
I dont really support them out of sympathy, im friends with many Antifa members but im not myself one and will probably never join Antifa

The problem is that i dont see the extreme right being stopped by simply talking with them, additionally the German military probably wont be able/willing to stop any right wing "revolution" as many veterans already have shown to not only participate in fascist organizations but lead them.
The police is also heavily right leaning so when the dice will fall i cant see a force of people who will defend german democracy

You cant really talk with extremists, they will resort to invalidating you and your viewpoints when they cant respond properly if they even intend to at all, i mean we all have seen our share of extremists in the NW community. I tried to argue with enough right wing extremists of any kind (everything from just eurosceptic/islamophobic/homophobic to literal nazis) to come to a conclusion that you cant argue against emotions and Ideologies built upon lies.
The Same is true for Left wing extremists tho, everyone has heard the ol' "real communism hasnt been tried yet".
So really i cant see the options aside from strengthening an opposition force for the worst and working and voting for the best.
The problem is that groups such as antifa, are exactly the kind of groups to militarize and take over a government, there is no "counterweight" to militant extremism, it's fundamentally undemocratic, anti free speech and is often violently against views that are either right or left of their own (dependant on which side). The key to democracy is strong opposition, brutal suppression of opposing views shall be the death of that.

read federalist 10 retard
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Mexican on July 03, 2019, 09:48:05 am
Matthew won the debate in the first page

Marceaux got pissy

Matthew proceeds to bait

Everyone falls for it
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Stroke0fd34th on July 03, 2019, 09:56:34 am
Matthew won the debate in the first page

Marceaux got pissy

Matthew proceeds to bait

Everyone falls for it

Haha guys it was all just a bait XD
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Gi on July 03, 2019, 10:13:18 am
Alright bud, if you wanna use the fact I told you not to reproduce to excuse having to face the fact you are advocating for a violent and extremely stupid left wing extremist group then go for it. If you could indulge me and explain exactly how antifas attacks against basically anyone, have been assisting in stemming the growing right and far right then I would be happy.
Wow you can actually say more than "hurrdurr ur wrong pls dont reproduce"
I dont really support them out of sympathy, im friends with many Antifa members but im not myself one and will probably never join Antifa

The problem is that i dont see the extreme right being stopped by simply talking with them, additionally the German military probably wont be able/willing to stop any right wing "revolution" as many veterans already have shown to not only participate in fascist organizations but lead them.
The police is also heavily right leaning so when the dice will fall i cant see a force of people who will defend german democracy

You cant really talk with extremists, they will resort to invalidating you and your viewpoints when they cant respond properly if they even intend to at all, i mean we all have seen our share of extremists in the NW community. I tried to argue with enough right wing extremists of any kind (everything from just eurosceptic/islamophobic/homophobic to literal nazis) to come to a conclusion that you cant argue against emotions and Ideologies built upon lies.
The Same is true for Left wing extremists tho, everyone has heard the ol' "real communism hasnt been tried yet".
So really i cant see the options aside from strengthening an opposition force for the worst and working and voting for the best.
The problem is that groups such as antifa, are exactly the kind of groups to militarize and take over a government, there is no "counterweight" to militant extremism, it's fundamentally undemocratic, anti free speech and is often violently against views that are either right or left of their own (dependant on which side). The key to democracy is strong opposition, brutal suppression of opposing views shall be the death of that.

read federalist 10 retard
???
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Superb_Pedro on July 03, 2019, 10:27:39 am
Alright bud, if you wanna use the fact I told you not to reproduce to excuse having to face the fact you are advocating for a violent and extremely stupid left wing extremist group then go for it. If you could indulge me and explain exactly how antifas attacks against basically anyone, have been assisting in stemming the growing right and far right then I would be happy.
Wow you can actually say more than "hurrdurr ur wrong pls dont reproduce"
I dont really support them out of sympathy, im friends with many Antifa members but im not myself one and will probably never join Antifa

The problem is that i dont see the extreme right being stopped by simply talking with them, additionally the German military probably wont be able/willing to stop any right wing "revolution" as many veterans already have shown to not only participate in fascist organizations but lead them.
The police is also heavily right leaning so when the dice will fall i cant see a force of people who will defend german democracy

You cant really talk with extremists, they will resort to invalidating you and your viewpoints when they cant respond properly if they even intend to at all, i mean we all have seen our share of extremists in the NW community. I tried to argue with enough right wing extremists of any kind (everything from just eurosceptic/islamophobic/homophobic to literal nazis) to come to a conclusion that you cant argue against emotions and Ideologies built upon lies.
The Same is true for Left wing extremists tho, everyone has heard the ol' "real communism hasnt been tried yet".
So really i cant see the options aside from strengthening an opposition force for the worst and working and voting for the best.
The problem is that groups such as antifa, are exactly the kind of groups to militarize and take over a government, there is no "counterweight" to militant extremism, it's fundamentally undemocratic, anti free speech and is often violently against views that are either right or left of their own (dependant on which side). The key to democracy is strong opposition, brutal suppression of opposing views shall be the death of that.

read federalist 10 retard
???
dont huh me, i am a geniUS
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Mexican on July 03, 2019, 10:31:19 am
Matthew won the debate in the first page

Marceaux got pissy

Matthew proceeds to bait

Everyone falls for it

Haha guys it was all just a bait XD
point to me the serious discussion after page 1
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Phil The Thril on July 03, 2019, 10:35:12 am
Matthew won the debate in the first page

Marceaux got pissy

Matthew proceeds to bait

Everyone falls for it

ironic shitposting is still shitposting
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: SilverBolt on July 03, 2019, 11:22:05 am
pls dont die on me now ill happily walk in any bait as long as it keeps me from being bored at work
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: ✠ Connor ✠ on July 03, 2019, 12:17:04 pm
Yes i know of the problem of pitting extremist militias against each other (its basically what the Germans did 1919 to throw down a communist uprising just with the sides swapped)
The small advantage we have today compared to 1919 is that the Antifa isnt as centralized as former army corps, so you can choose with which group you work with, for example in the City i live in we have a kinda large and potentially violent Antifa due to their roots in football (Ultras), but their mainline is democratic. There arent many definite antidemocrats on the left side, the communist party, as an antidemocratic example from the left, got 0.1% and its mainstream party "Die Linke" got 9,8% of the Votes while the equivalent the NPD got 0.4% and the AFD, which is basically a mainstream friendly version of the NPD now got 13% of votes. So 14% of German voters are in some degree openly racist and extremist or at least okay with supporting a party which supports racist structures

I dont know of the situation in the UK, but i think you dont have such a problem with the far right as we have in germany so i assume you dont know of the problems within german justice, where the police and military - which are supposed to be the counterweight to militant extremists seeking to overthrow a state - are both full of right wing extremists, which makes sense since the German right wing values Order and Safety above basically everything else.

Alt-Left extremism is also antidemocratic so they are not defending our democracy at all. Some Antifa groups openly call for an revolution which is in fact illegal in Germany by our constitution. Extremism is always antidemocratic because the whole point of extremism is basically to crack down the oppostion & the current system to install a new form of oppressive government to completly deny any democratic structure rising again. Just think of any government that was either far left or far right, where they democratic? Sure right-wing extremism maybe a bit more dangerous currently in Germany in regards to the recent events, but thinking that the alt-left are the protectors of our democracy because they violently act against the right is complete nonsense. Just imagine what could possibly happen if the alt-left rose to power? Would that be good for democracy, pluralism, freedom, economy etc.?

Extremism must be shutdown in every way regadless of the political standpoint they might have. It's actually quite simple: Extremism vs. Extremism = more extremism = less democracy = bad
Germany is just not capable to crack down extremism effeciently at the moment which led to things like NSU, RAF, Lübcke, G20 etc. which is a shame considering our history with two periods of extremist ideologies in power. I can totally understand why some parts of the German Police are right-wing atm if you consider how the left-wing parties are basically hating on the police because they are accusing them to "protect" the right or saying that they are openly violent when it comes to left-wing protests (G20).

The political left isn't as democratic as the people might think here. Antifa is considered a left-extremist group aswell as the Linksjugend (youth party of "Die Linke" who actually openly stated that they are extremists). Some parts of the Greens youth is also considered to be extremist to some extend and the parties of MLPD and KPD etc. speak for themselves. The "Left party" has communist suborgs which are undemocratic aswell. The Left party openly supports the Antifa and other left-wing extremist groups even with financial support. Saying that the left is nearly completely democratic is just ignorant.
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Cazasar on July 03, 2019, 02:26:41 pm
pls dont die on me now ill happily walk in any bait as long as it keeps me from being bored at work
why Do you believe the german Police to be right leaning?
And why Do you disregard antifas huge attacks on police in General?
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Stroke0fd34th on July 03, 2019, 02:36:21 pm
Matthew won the debate in the first page

Marceaux got pissy

Matthew proceeds to bait

Everyone falls for it

Haha guys it was all just a bait XD
point to me the serious discussion after page 1

Oh okay. So he continued to argue with Marceaux ironically, and decided to include two sad brags during his ironic debating to bait us all into...cringing and thinking he's a pretentious jackass?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnedkVrgFF0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywJgqs9Wn4k

So now everyone who reads this thread will get the impression he's a pretentious jackass AND a low tier troll. Thanks for enlightening us, Neil.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DF3ZREWeXK4&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Cazasar on July 03, 2019, 02:41:13 pm
Also the fuck you saying about germany not supporting free speech because we banned facists. Everest heard of the tolerance paradox Law?
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Zappy on July 03, 2019, 02:59:20 pm
(https://www.thefold.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/noam-chomsky-800px.jpg)
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: SilverBolt on July 03, 2019, 03:00:59 pm
Alt-Left extremism is also antidemocratic so they are not defending our democracy at all. Some Antifa groups openly call for an revolution which is in fact illegal in Germany by our constitution. Extremism is always antidemocratic because the whole point of extremism is basically to crack down the oppostion & the current system to install a new form of oppressive government to completly deny any democratic structure rising again. Just think of any government that was either far left or far right, where they democratic? Sure right-wing extremism maybe a bit more dangerous currently in Germany in regards to the recent events, but thinking that the alt-left are the protectors of our democracy because they violently act against the right is complete nonsense. Just imagine what could possibly happen if the alt-left rose to power? Would that be good for democracy, pluralism, freedom, economy etc.?
As said, were talking minorities in both areas, left and right, who are at least tolerated by about 1/4th of the total population (abt 10% for the extreme left and 14% for the extreme right). I wont deny that a Antidemocratic Left would be just as bad for Germany, but the propabilities are much higher from the right as they are more, have a solidified powerbase (basically in every east german State the AFD is second strongest or THE strongest Party) while the extreme left has some extremists in almost every left leaning Party, especially in the youth organiziations (green, Left and SPD all play around socialist and communist ideas).
Just sayin. What would you do at the "Tag X" which many extremist Rights prepare for. Try and reason with them? Make them minor partner in an coalition like in 1933? Ask them to only take down democracy in Eastern germany? What is your solution to at least try to protect german democracy aside from "police needs to do it". I for one cant trust into our executive arm to deal with any threat coming from the right. I can trust in the military with a threat coming from the left tho

Extremism must be shutdown in every way regadless of the political standpoint they might have. It's actually quite simple: Extremism vs. Extremism = more extremism = less democracy = bad
Germany is just not capable to crack down extremism effeciently at the moment which led to things like NSU, RAF, Lübcke, G20, Chemnitz, Nordkreuz etc. which is a shame considering our history with two periods of extremist ideologies in power. I can totally understand why some parts of the German Police are right-wing atm if you consider how the left-wing parties are basically hating on the police because they are accusing them to "protect" the right or saying that they are openly violent when it comes to left-wing protests (G20).
why Do you believe the german Police to be right leaning?
And why Do you disregard antifas huge attacks on police in General?
Im not talking "fuck the left" right, im talking "fuck refugees" right. And i can definitely understand why the left has the impression that the police/justice is blind on atleast the right eye in the examples of the NSU process, or the missing actions against extremist buffoons just as Höcke or Maas. I know people (2 Antifa, 4-5 LGBTQ+ activists) who repeatedly told me about unfair treatment without any provocation. I experienced unnecessary aggressive actions from the Police in anti-afd demonstrations etc
I wouldnt say the Left / Police conflict only comes from any particular side, its probably the same problem as in america where the police has to expect hostility so they are by default more hostile in these situations and now both sides just hate each other for the sake of revenge, maybe its time to try and break up the circle from either side?

The political left isn't as democratic as the people might think here. Antifa is considered a left-extremist group aswell as the Linksjugend (youth party of "Die Linke" who actually openly stated that they are extremists). Some parts of the Greens youth is also considered to be extremist to some extend and the parties of MLPD and KPD etc. speak for themselves. The "Left party" has communist suborgs which are undemocratic aswell. The Left party openly supports the Antifa and other left-wing extremist groups even with financial support. Saying that the left is nearly completely democratic is just ignorant.
To me its, as ive already said on the extreme ends a very loud and active minority calling for revolution (0.1% actually voting communist, 0.4% actually voting neo-Nazi even tough i dont know which numbers the other open neo nazi parties like the third way got, probably around the range of 0.1 or even less) and a larger minority not completely opposing these views or sharing some of the views (9% Linke, 13% AFD) of course we do have Nazis voting for the AFD and communists voting for the Left but i wouldnt say the SPD or Green party would tolerate Left wing uprisings even tough their youth wings toy with more traditional socialist views (dont forget, the SPD used to be a extremely radical socialist party, not the boring "lets get stuff done" status-quo party of today)
Also the fuck you saying about germany not supporting free speech because we banned facists. Everest heard of the tolerance paradox Law?
ive never said that, i know of the tolerance paradox law but i still dont know which solution is better overall, im still trying to make up my mind about this one
But we dont really prosecute real fascists anymore so the basic argument isnt even true, the only thing banned is denying the shoah, showing swastikas outside of art and education and the hitlergruß afaik. You should know more about it as youre a upcoming police officer afaik
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Sgt.Winters on July 03, 2019, 03:05:14 pm
Also, morally and practically speaking, at what point does an individual deserve death when exercising his right to freely express himself? Mass murder? Destruction of public/private property? Triggering a nationwide protest follow by a riot? If the man dies in what could be a viewed as a heroic manner, then mob mentality would soon overshadow any notion of reason. Said man would become a martyr to his cause, inspiring his constituents to take up the sword, justifying their motives with their fellow compatriot's sacrifice.

Do you wish the death penalty as a punishment upon the individual, or as to act as a message towards future wrongdoers? While the former is quite effective, the same could not be said for the latter.
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Cazasar on July 03, 2019, 03:09:53 pm
Silverbolt my second Post was adressed towards Lawbringer, hence the "Law"

Ill respond to the rest when im not on the Phone
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Ambiguous on July 03, 2019, 03:55:15 pm
Silverbolt my second Post was adressed towards Lawbringer, hence the "Law"

Ill respond to the rest when im not on the Phone
Didn’t expect to see you here.
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Piercee on July 03, 2019, 03:59:11 pm
read siege and come larp

Spoiler
(https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1506770667005.jpg)
(https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1600/0*4369-xeWD72hUPrc.jpg)
(https://hailtothegynocracy.files.wordpress.com/2018/10/atomwaffen-44.png?w=640)
(https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1514180120006.png)
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-wkyJjzVj6mo/W8gVQ0-AS9I/AAAAAAAAG4w/16YodIUSDdk7n7BXg8Kbe1i4aMJ5zBOlACLcBGAs/s1600/44112031_127775634859927_1745003727275687936_n.jpg)
(https://i.warosu.org/data/lit/img/0107/19/1518990368166.jpg)
(https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1522668111968.jpg)
(https://gagnova.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/read-siege.jpg)
[close]
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Cazasar on July 03, 2019, 04:07:46 pm
Silverbolt my second Post was adressed towards Lawbringer, hence the "Law"

Ill respond to the rest when im not on the Phone
Didn’t expect to see you here.
im procrastinating and reached my last straw
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: sidney crosby on July 03, 2019, 04:15:47 pm
shitposting aside the problem in America is the ideological divide has gotten so bad that violence has sadly been the result. The demographic of Portland is so fuckin weird to me, the base is like a super liberal city but then there's an odd amount of super conservative / white nationalists as well. That probably played a large role in it but I could be wrong, wouldn't recommend the whole firing line approach though haha.
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: ~NickCole~ on July 03, 2019, 04:41:37 pm
Go Trump!!
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Sgt.Winters on July 03, 2019, 05:02:49 pm
Go Trump!!
this fucking guy lmao
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Kore on July 03, 2019, 05:37:05 pm
id rather see the nazi germany again to bring order than this communist cancer the western europe and EU is
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: ZeroNight on July 03, 2019, 05:43:32 pm
id rather see the nazi germany again to bring order than this communist cancer the western europe and EU is

We need more facist countries :'(
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: UniversitasMetal on July 03, 2019, 05:44:10 pm
is that a chocolat brand
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Godsworn Alexiel on July 03, 2019, 06:12:22 pm
I am a jackass this has been known by all the boyz

@Caz when countries ban choice of political alignment and speech supporting various policies that isn’t in the form of a call to action of a crime, free speech isn’t real

If Germany really believed in free speech they would allow Germans to align and argue for the Nazi party as long as they didn’t break laws doing so

“Free Speech” unless you support the form of government that the world despises
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Godsworn Alexiel on July 03, 2019, 06:14:26 pm
yang gang 2020 btw
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Ledger on July 03, 2019, 06:42:48 pm
Antifa are fascists that use violence to silence opposing viewpoints they don't agree with.

Freedom of Speech should be absolute. The only country that has Freedom of Speech is the US. If a country has any sort of hate-speech laws (Germany, Denmark, Poland (Blasphemy laws) etc....) it doesn't have freedom of speech.

#Trump2020 (Yang and Tulsi Gabbard are the only "reasonable" democrats in the presidential race right now)
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: David_Schrein on July 03, 2019, 06:44:51 pm
Antifa are fascists that use violence to silence opposing viewpoints they don't agree with.

Freedom of Speech should be absolute. The only country that has Freedom of Speech is the US. If a country has any sort of hate-speech laws (Germany, Denmark, Poland (Blasphemy laws) etc....) it doesn't have freedom of speech.

#Trump2020 (Yang and Tulsi Gabbard are the only "reasonable" democrats in the presidential race right now)
since when do u post more than 4 sentences
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Sgt.Winters on July 03, 2019, 06:57:23 pm
Just let Warren win you imbeciles. She may be an entitled bookworm who votes for higher military spending and pushes a less than viable system for M4A, but at least she is somewhat sane and well versed in US history and socioeconomics, unlike President Pumpkin.
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Marceaux on July 03, 2019, 07:15:51 pm
Spoiler
Matthew won the debate in the first page

Marceaux got pissy

Matthew proceeds to bait

Everyone falls for it

Haha guys it was all just a bait XD
point to me the serious discussion after page 1

Oh okay. So he continued to argue with Marceaux ironically, and decided to include two sad brags during his ironic debating to bait us all into...cringing and thinking he's a pretentious jackass?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnedkVrgFF0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywJgqs9Wn4k

So now everyone who reads this thread will get the impression he's a pretentious jackass AND a low tier troll. Thanks for enlightening us, Neil.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DF3ZREWeXK4&feature=youtu.be
[close]

^

yang gang 2020 btw

Hey look we actually agree on something!
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: HaroldW on July 03, 2019, 07:27:53 pm
I tried to argue with enough right wing extremists of any kind (everything from just eurosceptic/islamophobic/homophobic to literal nazis) to come to a conclusion that you cant argue against emotions and Ideologies built upon lies.

Even though im a supporter of multi culturalism as i value progress over stabilty

"Progress over stability" and "eurosceptics = far-right extremists" ? ? ?

You're a fucking zealot. YOU are one of the few extremists in this thread.
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Skorpien on July 03, 2019, 07:40:01 pm
https://youtu.be/0vA7yGnQKyk
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Stroke0fd34th on July 03, 2019, 08:44:52 pm
I am a jackass this has been known by all the boyz

@Caz when countries ban choice of political alignment and speech supporting various policies that isn’t in the form of a call to action of a crime, free speech isn’t real

If Germany really believed in free speech they would allow Germans to align and argue for the Nazi party as long as they didn’t break laws doing so

“Free Speech” unless you support the form of government that the world despises

Pretentious jackass*

And of course it has. I just don't see what purpose the unprompted reminder serves.

But I guess good on you for "baiting" everyone into remembering.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnHhyBv0zsc
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: SilverBolt on July 03, 2019, 09:07:59 pm
I tried to argue with enough right wing extremists of any kind (everything from just eurosceptic/islamophobic/homophobic to literal nazis) to come to a conclusion that you cant argue against emotions and Ideologies built upon lies.

Even though im a supporter of multi culturalism as i value progress over stabilty

"Progress over stability" and "eurosceptics = far-right extremists" ? ? ?

You're a fucking zealot. YOU are one of the few extremists in this thread.
yes, from conflict arises mostly progress. Homogenous societies have shown that they lack internal conflicts, eg  i think the rise of the AFD in germany is very important because political life had shown almost no fundamental conflicts which has led to every big party being basically the same but in different colors. History has shown that cultures who lack conflicts with inside/outside forces almost always stagnate in every way possible, best examples are isolationist China and Japan, i mean Japanese dudes been fighting with swords and living in a medieval feudal society up until the mid 1800s due to the lack of any need to adapt and change. Today, you need to interact with the outside world and that means letting outsiders into your borders to not completely stagnate which is basically impossible in our modern time. I really know of no society ever who has only gained from isolation, both the Tokugawa Japan and Ming china couldnt keep up their policies and way of life due to more advanced outside forces and their inability to deal with these Threats.
Please dont call me "one of the few" extremists when i am the one of the only ones actually arguing instead of just invalidating the arguments and views of others.
I do have some radical views and i acknowledge that but im not an antidemocrat, which you are implying in the context of this threat, and aside from connor im so far the only one who could state his opinion without insulting everyone im talking to
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Godsworn Alexiel on July 03, 2019, 09:15:24 pm
I needed to remind everyone that I’m a polisci god
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Stroke0fd34th on July 03, 2019, 09:27:10 pm
I needed to remind everyone that I’m a polisci god

Ah rip, in that case.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le9sLw2VdUg


Wasted the mission accomplished one.
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: HaroldW on July 03, 2019, 09:42:06 pm
yes, from conflict arises mostly progress. Homogenous societies have shown that they lack internal conflicts, eg  i think the rise of the AFD in germany is very important because political life had shown almost no fundamental conflicts which has led to every big party being basically the same but in different colors. History has shown that cultures who lack conflicts with inside/outside forces almost always stagnate in every way possible, best examples are isolationist China and Japan, i mean Japanese dudes been fighting with swords and living in a medieval feudal society up until the mid 1800s due to the lack of any need to adapt and change.

In reality it's the complete inverse of this rationale and you as a GERMAN should know that. Civil instability gives rise to parties like AfD, not stability. There's two world wars you can use as evidence of this :)

The Wall Street Crash of 1929, the Franco-German conflict post-WW1, the death of Stresemann, massive inequality of income... Is this the social stability you speak of which gave rise to NSDAP?

Today, you need to interact with the outside world and that means letting outsiders into your borders to not completely stagnate which is basically impossible in our modern time. I really know of no society ever who has only gained from isolation, both the Tokugawa Japan and Ming china couldnt keep up their policies and way of life due to more advanced outside forces and their inability to deal with these Threats.

So now you're just reciting the ramblings of your sociology textbook eh?

Please dont call me "one of the few" extremists when i am the one of the only ones actually arguing instead of just invalidating the arguments and views of others.
I do have some radical views and i acknowledge that but im not an antidemocrat, which you are implying in the context of this threat, and aside from connor im so far the only one who could state his opinion without insulting everyone im talking to

You ARE anti-democratic, as you brand those who oppose the EU of all things as "extremists", and extremists face state action (reeducation, imprisonment, censorship) in western nations. Is that anything but democratic?

You ARE extremist, as you're willing to let ordinary citizens suffer massively in order to shift society closer to your idea of a perfect "progressive" climate. More specifically - you're an ideologue. Another little drone of the German "education" system.
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: SilverBolt on July 03, 2019, 11:25:21 pm
In reality it's the complete inverse of this rationale and you as a GERMAN should know that. Civil instability gives rise to parties like AfD, not stability. There's two world wars you can use as evidence of this :)

The Wall Street Crash of 1929, the Franco-German conflict post-WW1, the death of Stresemann, massive inequality of income... Is this the social stability you speak of which gave rise to NSDAP?
Dunno why youre bringing up Stresemann as he wasnt killed even though is death probably finally paved the way for the NSDAP to march into the government, what he could have done against the Nazis is basically 100% alt history
Conflict in terms of War brings massive advantages to the winning side, think the economic boom of the US during the second world war, even though i think allout War should be avoided as in our german situation we cant really profit from european wars without making a massive sacrifice, the best politicians Germany has seen knew this and seeked to saveguard the german mainland through various means. Merkel knows this, Stresemann knew this, Bismarck knew it. I see all of them as the greatest politicians modern germany had.

So now you're just reciting the ramblings of your sociology textbook eh?
thats funny because i dont own a sociology textbook, i dont own any textbook currently to be precise. The only books ive read regarding any sociology was actually the Mengzi and yeh Kongzi was like about 3 years before the rise and fall of both ming china and Tokugawan Japan
so now you're just trying to invalidate my points because you cant bring a coherent counterargument eh?  ;) ;) ;)

You ARE anti-democratic, as you brand those who oppose the EU of all things as "extremists", and extremists face state action (reeducation, imprisonment, censorship) in western nations. Is that anything but democratic?

You ARE extremist, as you're willing to let ordinary citizens suffer massively in order to shift society closer to your idea of a perfect "progressive" climate. More specifically - you're an ideologue.
To be fair, if thats your opinion of anti-democratic then i am antidemocratic. To me you need to seek the fall of an democratic authority or support authoritarian authorities to be antidemocratic. At least in germany extremists do not face either reeducation, imprisonment or state censorship - as you can see daily on any AFD facebookpage. They will face imprisonment and resocialisation when they commit a crime, like the right wing extremist who killed Walther Lübcke, or many extremists from the Black Block - if they get caught that is. You wont get prosecuted alone on political views in germany, the small exception to the rule are Nazi symbols and signs and as cazasar already said this fally under the paradox of tolerance - sometimes you need to be less tolerant towards a thing to achieve more tolerance.
I dunno on the Ideologue part, maybe i am one, maybe not. I dont follow any ideology as i am in the process of trying to form my own take on politics and society and i am not represented by any of the current mainstream ideologies. Of course i am hard to convince as i formed these ideas myself and base them on personal experiences and my view and interpretation of history and modern politics.

Another little drone of the German "education" system.
Thats also funny because according to the german "education" system i am a massive failure, ive quit school without achieving my Abitur, my grades were bad at best and i really hate the current school system
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Windflower on July 03, 2019, 11:30:45 pm
Matthew won the debate in the first page

Marceaux got pissy

Matthew proceeds to bait

Everyone falls for it
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/awtMigbvW05Pi/giphy.gif?cid=790b76115d1d1e5d306857324d7a4138&rid=giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: MikeyBruh on July 04, 2019, 12:11:30 am
Go Trump!!
Spoiler
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0708/7265/products/hbs265_480x480.png?v=1537308509)
Don't @ me Trumps the GOAT.
[close]
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Marceaux on July 04, 2019, 01:09:26 am
Matthew won the debate in the first page

Marceaux got pissy

Matthew proceeds to bait

Everyone falls for it
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/awtMigbvW05Pi/giphy.gif?cid=790b76115d1d1e5d306857324d7a4138&rid=giphy.gif)

LMFAO
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Zappy on July 04, 2019, 01:52:07 am
I needed to remind everyone that I’m a polisci god

Spoiler
Ah rip, in that case.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le9sLw2VdUg


Wasted the mission accomplished one.
[close]
Law has opened 2 pages of his political science book and is now qualified to debate on laws regarding working conditions for the lower class
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Theodin on July 04, 2019, 03:08:47 am
Spoiler
(https://www.thefold.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/noam-chomsky-800px.jpg)
[close]
chomsky  :-\ ??? ew
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Kore on July 04, 2019, 03:14:35 am
Spoiler
(https://www.thefold.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/noam-chomsky-800px.jpg)
[close]
chomsky  :-\ ??? ew

ok roguedin
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Superb_Pedro on July 04, 2019, 03:28:02 am
cockbringer, have you even interviewed any special or important people or met with any candidates?

because I did since im a genius. a literal genIUS
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Zappy on July 04, 2019, 04:01:11 am
Spoiler
(https://www.thefold.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/noam-chomsky-800px.jpg)
[close]
chomsky  :-\ ??? ew

ok roguedin
Chomsky  :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Mexican on July 04, 2019, 04:38:01 am
Zappy the intellectual european socialist
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Theodin on July 04, 2019, 04:57:35 am
The Chomsky left can’t help but roll over and pander to the mess to its left and is therefore weak
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Cazasar on July 04, 2019, 12:33:20 pm
I am a jackass this has been known by all the boyz

@Caz when countries ban choice of political alignment and speech supporting various policies that isn’t in the form of a call to action of a crime, free speech isn’t real

If Germany really believed in free speech they would allow Germans to align and argue for the Nazi party as long as they didn’t break laws doing so

“Free Speech” unless you support the form of government that the world despises
you have quite clearly no idea about german laws. 
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Piercee on July 04, 2019, 05:15:32 pm
this thread is actually so faggy lol

imagine not being anprim in 2k19
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Sgt.Winters on July 04, 2019, 07:39:32 pm
this thread is actually so faggy lol

imagine not being anprim in 2k19
Anarchist critiques of modern civilization are sweet indeed.
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Tommmy on July 04, 2019, 07:58:29 pm
Impeach drumf
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Knightmare on July 04, 2019, 09:03:50 pm
we should just nuke the entire earth fuck human beings
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Piercee on July 04, 2019, 11:24:43 pm
this thread is actually so faggy lol

imagine not being anprim in 2k19
Anarchist critiques of modern civilization are sweet indeed.

sorry i had to remove my lenses and pc in general so i cant reply further besides this, i'm already being hung for using technology tomorrow morning
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Fungus on July 05, 2019, 12:35:16 am
Im hung all the time

tbh
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Piercee on July 05, 2019, 12:50:21 am
Im hung all the time

tbh

yer brother's hung mate
Title: Re: Antifa
Post by: Elias on December 27, 2019, 05:27:44 am
kinda sad i just found about this thread now