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Re: The General Political Thread
« Reply #5085 on: August 28, 2019, 08:43:01 pm »
What happened to wanting us to leave ASAP... Scared, Duuring?

Imagine having the parliament sent into recess to avoid laws from being passed, that would look like someone being scared of a democratic institu..... oh

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« Reply #5086 on: August 28, 2019, 08:54:19 pm »
Imagine having the parliament sent into recess to avoid laws from being passed, that would look like someone being scared of a democratic institu..... oh

"Constitutional crisis!" cry the cronies banding together to sabotage the democratic process of delivering the will of the electorate. Save your utter projection.
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Re: The General Political Thread
« Reply #5087 on: August 28, 2019, 09:15:53 pm »
There hasn't been a queens speech in 3 years, if anything this shows a push to move beyond brexit and start tackling our actual domestic issues once again
Oh fuck right off you 2nd rate leader, you can only live of the succes of something other people have build for you in the past so you can carry on with the remnants.

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Re: The General Political Thread
« Reply #5088 on: September 01, 2019, 04:50:15 am »
Parliament has no authority outside of the express mandate of the sovereign, don't @ me.
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Re: The General Political Thread
« Reply #5089 on: September 21, 2019, 08:56:55 am »
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« Reply #5090 on: September 21, 2019, 03:17:46 pm »
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I really don't understand how people think Bernie is going to pull this off. He gets lambasted by the media 24/7, and says a whole lot of shit that sounds completely unfeasible. As per usual, I anticipate he will pull the money he needs out of his own ass while being already $21 trillion in debt.

https://www.usdebtclock.org

His “free” plans for America involve: $35 trillion for healthcare, $16 trillion for climate change, $1.5 trillion for student loan debt, $2.5 trillion for housing.

Where the fuck is $55 trillion dollars just magically going to appear from? He certainly can't print that much without fucking the global economy and sending us all into a recession. Military spending in total is $600 billion per year, equaling $6 trillion over a decade, even though completely liquidating our military puts ourselves at risk from foreign invasion. Wall Street speculation tax would generate $400 billion over ten years according to independent analysis from tax policy center. Wealthy income (top 1%) tax at a rate of 70% would raise about $700 billion over ten years according to the Washington Post.

Assuming we eliminate our military, and jack up taxes on WS speculation and the wealthy, that provides an estimated total revenue of $7 trillion over a decade. That leaves $50 trillion still to be paid for in order to implement those policies.

At this rate the United States will tank like Greece by 2025-2030.

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Re: The General Political Thread
« Reply #5091 on: September 21, 2019, 04:47:56 pm »
Please explain HOW not spending as much as the USA on military puts YOU at risk of an invasion

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« Reply #5092 on: September 21, 2019, 05:57:36 pm »
Please explain HOW not spending as much as the USA on military puts YOU at risk of an invasion
I was speaking hypothetically, as in getting rid of the ENTIRE military (and not a portion of it) budget wouldn't fulfill Bernie's plan by even 25%. Also, contrary to popular American-Nationalistic belief, this country is full of gun-toting morons who would run away before the first shot is even fired. Sure, the logistics of an invasion would be the biggest issue, and some would put up a fight, but not nearly enough to win. A big juicy country with plenty of resources and no standing military is easy pickings. We wouldn't stand a chance. Many, many people want this country reduced to nothing but a fleeting memory of a bygone era.

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Re: The General Political Thread
« Reply #5093 on: September 21, 2019, 06:25:34 pm »
I believe there would be a lot more tax policies to attempt to cover that sum, winters.

The deficit we’re taking in atm is putting us closer to that dreaded ww2 national debt

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Re: The General Political Thread
« Reply #5094 on: September 21, 2019, 07:17:16 pm »
I believe there would be a lot more tax policies to attempt to cover that sum, winters.

The deficit we’re taking in atm is putting us closer to that dreaded ww2 national debt
I understand that, but it is assuming that the Democrats actually hold on to power for longer than 4 terms. If they lose any of the major branches decisively for even a single term, they are going to get set back. The Republicans aren't going to raise shit.

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Re: The General Political Thread
« Reply #5095 on: September 21, 2019, 07:38:02 pm »
I believe there would be a lot more tax policies to attempt to cover that sum, winters.

The deficit we’re taking in atm is putting us closer to that dreaded ww2 national debt
I understand that, but it is assuming that the Democrats actually hold on to power for longer than 4 terms. If they lose any of the major branches decisively for even a single term, they are going to get set back. The Republicans aren't going to raise shit.

I agree, I think trump will get reelected anyway though

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Re: The General Political Thread
« Reply #5096 on: September 22, 2019, 07:40:44 pm »
It's worth noting that what Bernie Sanders is saying he will do is more akin to ideal circumstances than realistic goals. Politicians in every country generally have a door understanding of limitations (both economic, political, social and constitutional) that restrict their ideal policy implementation. The U.S system is built on checks on power and so its very difficult for any President (no matter how moderate) to accomplish their policy goals regardless for controversy.

I'd say Bernie is making big claims due to his wish to change the course of Left-Wing politics in the U.S. Realistically he can only accomplish a moderate amount of reform, but selling it on a socialist basis will allow for him to push forward these ideas with greater ease as he'll at the very least have a mandate with which to tackle these issues, if not the economic or political ability.

It's kinda like how Donald Trump said he was going to tear up NAFTA until he realized (upon entering Washington) that NAFTA plays a vital role in the U.S's trading power with Canada. Or how he thought Mexico was going to pay for the border wall due to a trade deficit (which makes zero sense for a multitude of reasons.

As for the comments with regards to the U.S military: the U.S needs to maintain its military no matter what, the U.S holds a hegemony and without the means to back it up would open up the world to another rising power (China) to start exerting hostile influences on other nations.

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Re: The General Political Thread
« Reply #5097 on: October 01, 2019, 04:58:02 am »
why people want to put the orange man in peach???

orange bad peach good???





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Re: The General Political Thread
« Reply #5098 on: October 01, 2019, 06:11:29 am »
It's evident that the Senate wouldn't do shit even if he was guilty. Positive change is impossible, and it's time the American people accepted that.

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Re: The General Political Thread
« Reply #5099 on: October 02, 2019, 08:24:45 pm »
Bernie with serious health problems. I wonder what this means for his campaign or if he'll recover
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